ATTN: Christian

[Nicole Dupre]

There's no hatred on my end, dear. However I do find it admirable that you'd want to stand by your friend and even go so far as to draw lines in the sand in support of her. Truthfully, I used to like Amy too - used to. But I can't be bothered to predict her every issue concerning her sexuality, and I'm not going to take the brunt of her frustrations. I have no issues with lesbians whatsoever. Maybe either actually meeting me and getting to know me for yourself or speaking with someone like Ecstatic if you needed a character reference would have been wiser before the character assassination. But it's all good.

As for working with you, if you recall, you gave me dates that you would be in Manhattan, but never returned my Twitter messages, yet you were Tweeting from a basketball game on the very day you told me to "mark on my calender". Therefore I don't think working with me was such a priority, and that was almost 2 years ago anyway I chalked off the whole endeavor that long ago. In fact, I'm not doing porn anymore because of issues just like this.

But good luck to both you and Amy in all that you.

Best Regards,

Arianna

[Silcc69]

Oh shit.

[Nikka]

I think Amy is cute :)

[rockabilly]

I miss something?

[Nikka]

I miss something?

your wallet

(happends in south america)

[rockabilly]

your wallet

(happends in south america)

Happens in South Carolina too.

[Nikka]

Happens in South Carolina too.

hehehehe

[Wendy Summers]

I miss something?

Puppies and Rainbows....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qpioCCHVJvI/T0gt_Ccr4FI/AAAAAAAAAkY/g-vrFkdociw/s400/puppies-n-rainbows.jpg

[AmyDaly]

High levels of mad detected in this thread. Look. She can't stop posting about me lol..."No issues with lesbians" She even said that most ts lesbians were cross dressers.

[rockabilly]

.... oh my.

[Prospero]

Happens in South london too

[DarylWashington]

Yeah I got flaked on many times too, so I quit. And transbians SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

I know it may sound like the perfect cliche line, but I've never dealt with so many flakes as consistently as I have with porn. Not even close. And the tattoo community is loaded with irresponsible losers. But this is worse. And I'm not one of the t-girls who's never had a "real job". I know the difference. I have a very real job right now in fact, and being responsible and professional is something that's expected and required of everyone. It's not slave labor by any means, but no one ditches plans, fails to return calls and emails, or goes MIA. So I feel you on that, Daryl.

There's a certain sense of desperation that exists among people in porn that's pretty sad. Things are pretty thrown together almost always. I'm not used to that in a real work environment. I know porn's not necessarily art, but artists who people take seriously will at least hold themselves to some type of standard or work ethic when they're being creative. But this isn't like that. lol And I'm ok with that, I swear. But personally I'm done with the romper room horseshit and I have no regrets. :)

[DarylWashington]

I have a real job, been where I'm at for many years and have worked my way up the ladder, but I get blasted for not being instantly available 24/7. Plus back in the day I got bitched at for not wanting to spend more traveling than what I was going to make, not worth it lol.

[rockabilly]

You don't get paid mileage?

[Odelay]

I know it may sound like the perfect cliche line, but I've never dealt with so many flakes as consistently as I have with porn. Not even close. And the tattoo community is loaded with irresponsible losers. But this is worse. And I'm not one of the t-girls who's never had a "real job". I know the difference. I have a very real job right now in fact, and being responsible and professional is something that's expected and required of everyone. It's not slave labor by any means, but no one ditches plans, fails to return calls and emails, or goes MIA. So I feel you on that, Daryl.

There's a certain sense of desperation that exists among people in porn that's pretty sad. Things are pretty thrown together almost always. I'm not used to that in a real work environment. I know porn's not necessarily art, but artists who people take seriously will at least hold themselves to some type of standard or work ethic when they're being creative. But this isn't like that. lol And I'm ok with that, I swear. But personally I'm done with the romper room horseshit and I have no regrets. :)

I probably don't read more than 25% of your posts, Nicole, because mostly they bore me, but I definitely find this interesting. Not that I find it to be the truth or even necessarily coinciding with my own opinion, but it does seem to come closer to identifying key traits of the industry and people within it, than most inside baseball analysis of the industry that goes on in this forum. Watching the girls come into and out of this forum, through the years, has been a helluva thing to watch. I don't have much in the way of conclusions to add, other than to say that the porn industry seems to almost always be transformative for every girl who's come through here. Almost nobody comes through unscathed. The girls who stay away from porn, like Jennifer Paris and Sunny Dee Lite seem more grounded. I say "seem" because part of their projection in this forum is not to reveal too much.

One could pose the argument... "well big deal, lots of things are transformative... including transitioning!" That's true. Transitioning is transformative and rightfully so. But I don't think a career or job should be transformative. Maybe art... as you allude to, but porn ain't art. I've had at least five different careers and none of them have really changed me at all. Other people have changed me. Profound experiences have changed me. But that's about it.

The thing about porn is the transformation rarely seems to be positive in effect for the individual. The best one can seem to hope for is a neutral or no transformative effect. Although initially I was not a big Kelly Shore fan from an "I think she's hot" standpoint, I've really grown to respect and admire her. She's one of the few who hasn't changed. She was on this forum for a couple of years before she started doing porn so many of us have a good sense of who Kelly was before she got into it. And today, she's still the same girl. Porn hasn't changed her, and I think that speaks highly of her underlying character. There are definitely other exceptions, as well, but I think it would be a dull, subjective list for me to name more names.

Anyway, I'm just an old dog around here spouting off.

[EvonRose]

There's no hatred on my end, dear. However I do find it admirable that you'd want to stand by your friend and even go so far as to draw lines in the sand in support of her. Truthfully, I used to like Amy too - used to. But I can't be bothered to predict her every issue concerning her sexuality, and I'm not going to take the brunt of her frustrations. I have no issues with lesbians whatsoever. Maybe either actually meeting me and getting to know me for yourself or speaking with someone like Ecstatic if you needed a character reference would have been wiser before the character assassination. But it's all good.

As for working with you, if you recall, you gave me dates that you would be in Manhattan, but never returned my Twitter messages, yet you were Tweeting from a basketball game on the very day you told me to "mark on my calender". Therefore I don't think working with me was such a priority, and that was almost 2 years ago anyway I chalked off the whole endeavor that long ago. In fact, I'm not doing porn anymore because of issues just like this.

But good luck to both you and Amy in all that you.

Best Regards,

Arianna

Wich Amy?

[Silcc69]

Wich Amy?

The only one on here, Ms Daly.

[Nicole Dupre]

I probably don't read more than 25% of your posts, Nicole, because mostly they bore me, but I definitely find this interesting. Not that I find it to be the truth or even necessarily coinciding with my own opinion, but it does seem to come closer to identifying key traits of the industry and people within it, than most inside baseball analysis of the industry that goes on in this forum. Watching the girls come into and out of this forum, through the years, has been a helluva thing to watch. I don't have much in the way of conclusions to add, other than to say that the porn industry seems to almost always be transformative for every girl who's come through here. Almost nobody comes through unscathed. The girls who stay away from porn, like Jennifer Paris and Sunny Dee Lite seem more grounded. I say "seem" because part of their projection in this forum is not to reveal too much.

One could pose the argument... "well big deal, lots of things are transformative... including transitioning!" That's true. Transitioning is transformative and rightfully so. But I don't think a career or job should be transformative. Maybe art... as you allude to, but porn ain't art. I've had at least five different careers and none of them have really changed me at all. Other people have changed me. Profound experiences have changed me. But that's about it.

The thing about porn is the transformation rarely seems to be positive in effect for the individual. The best one can seem to hope for is a neutral or no transformative effect. Although initially I was not a big Kelly Shore fan from an "I think she's hot" standpoint, I've really grown to respect and admire her. She's one of the few who hasn't changed. She was on this forum for a couple of years before she started doing porn so many of us have a good sense of who Kelly was before she got into it. And today, she's still the same girl. Porn hasn't changed her, and I think that speaks highly of her underlying character. There are definitely other exceptions, as well, but I think it would be a dull, subjective list for me to name more names.

Anyway, I'm just an old dog around here spouting off.
*sigh

Why can't this thread just die?

Odelay, I have never said my posts weren't boring. In fact, from everything I've gathered, I may be too boring to do porn. I certainly don't get any validation from doing it. I do love sex and I have lots of good sex. But that's clearly not what it takes to thrive in this industry. But I wouldn't have known that about 8 years ago when Tony Vee from Yum first asked me to do it. I knew nothing about it. I was working as a drag queen 2 nights a week in NJ booger bars and working a F/T job all week. I was probably what you guys call a "fem boy", and I didn't pay attention to this type of porn at all. I was just getting started with 'mones at Callen-Lorde.



Anyway, since Christian is now inadvertantly explaining it, those of you who are clueless might find this interesting. It amazes me how generally uniformed people, including the tgirls here, are on this topic. But w/e. Fyi, people, M2F transsexuals who are attracted to women are secondary transsexuals according to the HBS and all kinds of other contemporary shrinks. Secondaries also usually have a need to be sex workers of one kind or another, not necessarily for survival purposes, and are mostly into chicks. They're basically a cross between transsexuals and hetero crossdressers. Secondaries don't care a lot about SRS. For them, being a girl is more of a sexual thrill. This is an EXTREMELY controversial topic actually. Secondaries pretty much hate being labeled as secondary. They were often rejected as candidates for transitioning by medical professionals. If they would dare say they wanted to keep their cocks and were into fucking chicks, they would often risk being labeled a mentally ill. Primary transsexuals were treated far more compassionately by the psychiatric community and get a lot more respect. The secondaries were treated, until maybe 10-20 yrs ago, more like Klinger from MASH; like a lazy cuckoo clock who wouldn't or couldn't hack living a normal existence.

Of course in porn, no one makes such distinctions. lol Either someone with a cock, who looks like a girl, is willing to appear in it or they're not. The people making it and jerking off to it don't care.

There are people like Ray Blanchard who label the entire shemale porn phenomenon as a barely tolerable paraphilic sexual perversion. He would even label me, most likely, as a secondary, for having done porn; him not knowing that I've already been diagnosed twice as primary. lol But I digress.

The writing is on the wall here. I feel like I did when I was walking away from drag. It was LATE. And all of this is LATE. You guys, enjoy your time here with Amy Daly. lol To me, all of this is as stale as it gets. And I'm not pretentious enough to not say so.

[EvonRose]

The only one on here, Ms Daly.

eh....:puke

[AmyDaly]

eh....:puke
another one who gets mad from being called out on her bs. feelings mutual though : )

[EvonRose]

another one who gets mad from being called out on her bs. feelings mutual though : )

And what was the bs you speak of?

Bs is when you called me a whore and a bitch, sweetie! Last I checked your occupation does not say lawyer. Come back to reality ms Daly.

[AmyDaly]

And what was the bs you speak of?

Bs is when you called me a whore and a bitch, sweetie! Last I checked your occupation does not say lawyer. Come back to reality ms Daly.

Oh really. Quote when I said that then.

[EvonRose]

Oh really. Quote when I said that then.

Quote the bs you speak off.... You have called me more names Amy. If you can't remember you got issues....

[BellaBellucci]

Nicole's just bored. :lol:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole's just bored. :lol:

~BB~
Well what I've said about Christian is the god's honest truth. I chalked his ass off two years ago. It's like, don't tell me to plan on something and then go to a damn hockey or basketball game, or whatever the hell it was.

But I'm working from home a lot lately, so I have been going online more than usual.

And someday you and I will have fake porn sex, Bella. You mark my words, be-atch. ;-) lol

[dgs925]

Well what I've said about Christian is the god's honest truth. I chalked his ass off two years ago. It's like, don't tell me to plan on something and then go to a damn hockey or basketball game, or whatever the hell it was.

But I'm working from home a lot lately, so I have been going online more than usual.

And someday you and I will have fake porn sex, Bella. You mark my words, be-atch. ;-) lol

God damn, I want that video. I will jerk off so many times thinking of Bella and Nicole fucking!

[AmyDaly]

Quote the bs you speak off.... You have called me more names Amy. If you can't remember you got issues....
lol...just called you out on more of your crap and you can't even back yourself up. Its not my style to call people names.

[EvonRose]

lol...just called you out on more of your crap and you can't even back yourself up. Its not my style to call people names.

Well, your confused about your personality,and everything about you Amy, not only did you call me names, you and another girl on here went back and forth either being rude to me, sarcastic or just mean.

I have and always backed up my points, its you who refuse to accept them, that's not my fault.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well, your confused about your personality,and everything about you Amy, not only did you call me names, you and another girl on here went back and forth either being rude to me, sarcastic or just mean.

I have and always backed up my points, its you who refuse to accept them, that's not my fault.
That's funny. She just called me a "faggot" out of the clear blue sky on Sunday. lol

[EvonRose]

That's funny. She just called me a "faggot" out of the clear blue sky on Sunday. lol

Yet she's the lesbian.... Then she says it's not her nature to call names... Speaking of calling out BS, Nicole you just proved my point about her.

[BLKGSXR]

you two need a hug...=]

[AmyDaly]

Well, your confused about your personality,and everything about you Amy, not only did you call me names, you and another girl on here went back and forth either being rude to me, sarcastic or just mean.

I have and always backed up my points, its you who refuse to accept them, that's not my fault.

lol ok...so much for backing up your points. You can't even find the posts because it never happened. Do a forum search and find me calling anyone a bitch like you claim and I will paypal you $20. Try it out. See if I've called anyone a faggot too. You won't find anything. I'll admit, I was being sarcastic in one thread, but all I did was post a LOL or something. If that is considered mean to you, then you need to get a thicker skin. And in other posts that you got all upset about, You made up statistics out of thin air and when I correct you or say you made them up, you get all upset about it. Nicole calls people faggot all the time and then complains when its used on her and is all the sudden the victim of mean Amy Daly?

Case and point:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015971&postcount=45
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015831&postcount=29
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015079&postcount=640
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1014797&postcount=620
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1013945&postcount=20
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1012904&postcount=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1008907&postcount=73

There are 5 pages of her doing it: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/search.php?searchid=2406812&pp=25 5 Pages calling people faggots LOL

And I am the mean one?

lol @ nicole crying about being called a faggot in a picture I posted from 4chan after she called me a Cross Dresser. So if its ok for her to call me a cross dresser and not ok for me to call her a faggot? Deal with it then, hypocrites. All I have been doing this whole type is pointing out how hypocritical her posts have been.

[EvonRose]

lol ok...so much for backing up your points. You can't even find the posts because it never happened. Do a forum search and find me calling anyone a bitch like you claim and I will paypal you $20. Try it out. See if I've called anyone a faggot too. You won't find anything. I'll admit, I was being sarcastic in one thread, but all I did was post a LOL or something. If that is considered mean to you, then you need to get a thicker skin. And in other posts that you got all upset about, You made up statistics out of thin air and when I correct you or say you made them up, you get all upset about it. Nicole calls people faggot all the time and then complains when its used on her and is all the sudden the victim of mean Amy Daly?

Case and point:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015971&postcount=45
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015831&postcount=29
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1015079&postcount=640
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1014797&postcount=620
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1013945&postcount=20
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1012904&postcount=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1008907&postcount=73

There are 5 pages of her doing it: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/search.php?searchid=2406812&pp=25 5 Pages calling people faggots LOL

And I am the mean one?

lol @ nicole crying about being called a faggot in a picture I posted from 4chan after she called me a Cross Dresser. So if its ok for her to call me a cross dresser and not ok for me to call her a faggot? Deal with it then, hypocrites. All I have been doing this whole type is pointing out how hypocritical her posts have been.

No it was more than a sarcastic lol, I never made up those statistics, i found them somewhere else, I even provided links.

My issue with you is you make it seem like I'm attacking a specific group of ts, and that's just as bad! When you know damn well, i never said anything bad.. All I was doing was sharing studies, or sharing articles... I never said they were true, i never said you should live by it! You and other girls were the one who got so sensitive for saying something about a study and all of you jumped on the Evon is a bitch wagon... Cause I don't think I am. So i don't think it is me that needs a thicker skin, I think if you and the other women cannot respectfully disagree without getting butt hurt over an article, thicker skin should be enforced on you.. I'm good, if you don't like an article don't read it, and if you don't like what I have to say, well theres your ignore button.

I don't think your a crossdresser Amy and everyone here knows that by just looking at you, and you know that. Your gorgeous, We all know how Nicole is she will say things and no one is going to stop her. I don't know the full story But don't pay attention to it.

[Nicole Dupre]

I never call transsexuals "faggot". Amy spoke negatively about my sexuality initially. She told me I was no one to have an opinion on breasts because I'm not a lesbian.

[Nicole Dupre]

Amy even feels the need to wear her sexuality on her sleeve in her banner. It's obviously a huge issue for her. And obviously her skin is thin about it.

[EvonRose]

I never call transsexuals "faggot". Amy spoke negatively about my sexuality initially. She told me I was no one to have an opinion on breasts because I'm not a lesbian.

She said the same thing when i made a comment about porn, she said i was not someone to have an opinion because I'm not in porn...

[Nicole Dupre]

She said the same thing when i made a comment about porn, she said i was not someone to have an opinion because I'm not in porn...
I'd love to know where the fuck she thinks she'd be with her site if all the people who weren't making porn, and just watching it, didn't express their opinions - especially with their wallets. Maybe Christian would pay her out of his pocket to make private productions just for him. lol

[EvonRose]

I'd love to know where the fuck she thinks she'd be with her site if all the people who weren't making porn, and just watching it, didn't express their opinions - especially with their wallets. Maybe Christian would pay her out of his pocket to make private productions just for him. lol

Just because someone is not in porn it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it, I have been contacted by various sites to model for them so i have an overview, but i will never do porn, kudos for her but I got goals in life, and i think porn will just ruin it... No offense to anyone who does porn, But i have many friends in porn ex Monique Dior, Alisha are a few and I know how the system works and to be frank it does not impress me.

[dazibik]

I think Amy is cute :)

So do I