Got A Girlfriend.

[Jamie French]

Just lettin' the world know (as excited, love-strucks are bound to do) That I am no longer single... see? <3

[SunshyneMonroe]

Oh my...

[Jamie French]

I know right? We totally rock together... side by side since our first date. Fuckin' awesome! Ya'll will hear from her later... she's on set right now.


Oh my...

[Odelay]

This doesn't surprise me. You both seem pretty cool, laid back, intelligent, and little out there. Good luck!

[SunshyneMonroe]

I know right? We totally rock together... side by side since our first date. Fuckin' awesome! Ya'll will hear from her later... she's on set right now.

Lol yea from those pics it looks like yall just rocked :)

[Kevin Dong]

LOl I remember taking that first picture of you two hahaha

[TSMichelleAustin]

You go girls!!! Jamie I hope u understand Tiff better than I do! LOL I still love her, even though I go huh? LOL! Congrats to two lovely ladies!

[Dino Velvet]

I bless this relationship.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/Haxan-2-martinklasch.gif

[Bushtrmr]

Congrats! I hope you are having a blast!

But I gotta ask...who is the hottie in the background to the left in the pic?

[TsJizelle]

the blonde hottie is chelsea Marie! I already published one of her sets here from Shemale xxx


here's her twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/tschelseamarie)

[Tiffany Anne]

Do I remember that you were engaged to a lesbian porn star at one point?

[LibertyHarkness]

hehe jizelle i sucked Chelsea's cock in that very kitchen that night lol

[Jamie French]

I was engaged to Megan Murray... she wasn't a lesbian porn star, just a normal one... did a little bit of everything.


Do I remember that you were engaged to a lesbian porn star at one point?

[Willie Escalade]

That must have happened after I left...and before I came back. Dammit!

[BLKGSXR]

hehe jizelle i sucked Chelsea's cock in that very kitchen that night lol
To be fair Yogi2002 shared that dick with you LOL :dead-1:

[christianxxx]

i can spot Buddy Wood's kitchen in about .2 seconds.

damn Tiffany Star looks a lot like Kimberly Kills in that shot. amazing

[TsJizelle]

hehe jizelle i sucked Chelsea's cock in that very kitchen that night lol

hahha i remember you telling me as we were hanging out by the pool in the hotel!!! I just remember when I finally came outside, I see you running around naked everywhere hahahah !! love it

congrats to jamie and tiff!!!

[Jamie French]

Thanx all, we're really happy - I'm nursing my baby today... she has the sniffles.

[ed_jaxon]

Great meeting you Jamie. Hopefully we can get you to Chicago soon.

[Tiffany Starr]

Me and Jamie are finding happiness in one another

[Jamie French]

It's fun when it's fun...

[Dino Velvet]

Nice pics, Jamie. You ladies look nice together.

[martin48]

Great when it clicked. Nothing better

[gunn]

More pics or even a vid please!

[BigDF]

Congrats to Jamie and Tiffany.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[Jamie French]

Thanks yall... we're working on trying to do photos and videos together, She's an SMC girl and I'm Grooby so contracts and stuff need to be combed over before we can do anything official. It's like Coke and Pepsi working together. None of that stops us from taking private, personal and candid photos...some of those we can share as we take 'em.

[Nikka]

Jamie u get all the fun, not fair!

who says coke?

[SammiValentine]

Thanks yall... we're working on trying to do photos and videos together, She's an SMC girl and I'm Grooby so contracts and stuff need to be combed over before we can do anything official. It's like Coke and Pepsi working together. None of that stops us from taking private, personal and candid photos...some of those we can share as we take 'em.

People are contracted ? Thought it was a silly rumour :)

p.s how rude of me.. forgot to say congrats both ;-)

[Brandi Boots]

until I see the horse head on you and she is in jockey position ....Im saying this could all be rumors!

(Im kidding)

[TGasMutiny]

Lookin good Jaime!!!!!!!!!!!

[El Nino]

Yayyy!

[Tiffany Starr]

People are contracted ? Thought it was a silly rumour :)

p.s how rude of me.. forgot to say congrats both ;-)

Apparently its no rumor. I would like to work with Jamie some day.

[GroobySteven]

People are contracted ? Thought it was a silly rumour :)

p.s how rude of me.. forgot to say congrats both ;-)


I'll make a slight correction to what Jamie stated. Only one company (not Grooby) that I know of, has talked some of the more naive (no disrespect intended) and new girls into exclusitivity contracts. It's a bit of a shame as it's limited some models exposure and certainly harmed their bank balances and I suspect that the contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I appreciate companies have to be competitive and some companies are finding that increasingly more difficult to do so but doing it at the expense of a models career or income, purely to further their own, isn't cool. Models should be able to work for who they want, when they want. Their choice, not stipulated through any company that is simply a website partner with them.

Anyway - good luck and congratulations to Jamie and Tiffany - if you get married, we'll host a party!

[GroobySteven]

Apparently its no rumor. I would like to work with Jamie some day.

Come on Tiffany - go for it. We can line it up !

[runningdownthatdream]

I'll make a slight correction to what Jamie stated. Only one company (not Grooby) that I know of, has talked some of the more naive (no disrespect intended) and new girls into exclusitivity contracts. It's a bit of a shame as it's limited some models exposure and certainly harmed their bank balances and I suspect that the contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I appreciate companies have to be competitive and some companies are finding that increasingly more difficult to do so but doing it at the expense of a models career or income, purely to further their own, isn't cool. Models should be able to work for who they want, when they want. Their choice, not stipulated through any company that is simply a website partner with them.

Anyway - good luck and congratulations to Jamie and Tiffany - if you get married, we'll host a party!

So what you're saying is that if a company invests in a performer - whom they pay - and that performer becomes popular with the masses due to all the work the company does to market and distribute their performances/images then that company shouldn't have any exclusivity rights to that performer?

[GroobySteven]

So what you're saying is that if a company invests in a performer - whom they pay - and that performer becomes popular with the masses due to all the work the company does to market and distribute their performances/images then that company shouldn't have any exclusivity rights to that performer?

I don't know any company in the TS market that does that, all of the production companies promote models it to drive traffic back to their own (main) websites, look what I do on this site, and most of the girls market themselves through websites like this one, or pay somebody like HotWendyPR to do their promotions and press releases.

I think it may work in the mainstream, where a company could guarantee a model $50k+ for exclusivity but unless a model is getting close to that, then she's not gaining anything, the only winner is the Mother company.

[lovesall]

Congrats to you both may it be a happy and blessed one.

[Jamie French]

Thanx Seanchai! You'll be among the first to know if and when we get married... we'd have to make a BIG DEAL out of it! The idea in and of itself just screams epic win on top of the fact that we actually, truly love one another... fun times ahead for sure!

[runningdownthatdream]

I don't know any company in the TS market that does that, all of the production companies promote models it to drive traffic back to their own (main) websites, look what I do on this site, and most of the girls market themselves through websites like this one, or pay somebody like HotWendyPR to do their promotions and press releases.

I think it may work in the mainstream, where a company could guarantee a model $50k+ for exclusivity but unless a model is getting close to that, then she's not gaining anything, the only winner is the Mother company.

Couldn't a system (don't laugh) like WWE work? I mean, some models are clearly far more interested in what they are doing and take the time to be creative with both their public and professional personas so might it not make sense to put some more focus on those models, work with them to fully develop a particular character but keep them contracted for a period of time (say a year or two). Porn star careers don't typically last more than a few years, correct? So won't both parties benefit by such a system?

[banane18021802]

she is a lucky girl

[Tiffany Starr]

Isn't this threead suppose to be about me and jamie being in a relationship? I will figure out who i'll shoot for and when. I like all the companies i've worked for and i do in fact plan on shooting with them again at some point in time. Lets see what the future holds

[Brandi Boots]

yes kids...lets stay on task!

(now go find that horsehead and nun outfit) ;)

[GroobySteven]

Isn't this threead suppose to be about me and jamie being in a relationship? I will figure out who i'll shoot for and when. I like all the companies i've worked for and i do in fact plan on shooting with them again at some point in time. Lets see what the future holds

Yep ... but I didn't bring up the contracts and didn't want it looking like I rip off models with exclusivity contracts, that's all on one company.

[Jamie French]

Well, all things aside, I'm pretty sad right now... my baby is in Boston and I'm heading back to Texas. We are separated by some fair amount of distance but I'm turning a lot of plans over on paper and will be with Tiffany very soon. Not going to let this one turn into a crappy LTR.

[Dino Velvet]

Couldn't a system (don't laugh) like WWE work? I mean, some models are clearly far more interested in what they are doing and take the time to be creative with both their public and professional personas so might it not make sense to put some more focus on those models, work with them to fully develop a particular character but keep them contracted for a period of time (say a year or two). Porn star careers don't typically last more than a few years, correct? So won't both parties benefit by such a system?

I like that idea. You could have mid-card porn stars and have heels and faces fucking each other while maintaining Kayfabe. Bottoms could now be called jobbers and tops have squash and handicapped matches. Don't forget the Grooby Contract on a Pole Match. It's always fun deciding who gets a push.

John Laurinaitis wishes John Morrison the best in all Future Endeavors - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxtgSngr_WQ)

[Tiffany Starr]

Yep ... but I didn't bring up the contracts and didn't want it looking like I rip off models with exclusivity contracts, that's all on one company.

Its ok I luvs ya anyways! <3

[slingblade]

Me and Jamie are finding happiness in one another

whos inside of who?

[Nikka]

whos inside of who?

she is talking about Love

[slingblade]

she is talking about Love

lol......................

[GroobyKrissy]

Ahhh... Love :) You two kids have some fun for the rest of us oky doky?

Congratulations... it always brightens my day up to read stuff like this and see two people content :) It was a pleasure to meet both of you in person at this year's TA's. You two looked so cute together :)

[SunshyneMonroe]

I think every website would want a model to only shoot with them lol...From a models pov Id say shoot all you want UNLESS you have ur own site if you shoot with every comp 1389478934738947813 times why would ppl join ur site?I know most of the smc girls that really only shoot for they site they own do very well I also know girls that have sites with other comp that cant pay the rent and or live in the hood...

[GroobySteven]

I think every website would want a model to only shoot with them lol...From a models pov Id say shoot all you want UNLESS you have ur own site if you shoot with every comp 1389478934738947813 times why would ppl join ur site?I know most of the smc girls that really only shoot for they site they own do every well they only ones that are not are the ones over shooting I also know girls that have sites with other comp that cant pay the rent and or live in the hood...

Absolutely. Some models like Kimber have done very well by managing their own exposure. Others less so but overall I agree with you. However, that should be a choice for the model to make, not a stipulation or a rule.

By the way, I'm having a real hard time converting you - it's currently at a 1:4001 ratio compared to other recent SMC models this is double or more. It's obviously not because of you, as you are a cute cat and I know you sell well - and the content looks great. I have my opinions why it's not converting better, if you want me to share them just drop me a line at admin@grooby.com and I'll let you know from this affiliates point of view.
Thanks

[SunshyneMonroe]

Absolutely. Some models like Kimber have done very well by managing their own exposure. Others less so but overall I agree with you. However, that should be a choice for the model to make, not a stipulation or a rule.

By the way, I'm having a real hard time converting you - it's currently at a 1:4001 ratio compared to other recent SMC models this is double or more. It's obviously not because of you, as you are a cute cat and I know you sell well - and the content looks great. I have my opinions why it's not converting better, if you want me to share them just drop me a line at admin@grooby.com and I'll let you know from this affiliates point of view.
Thanks

Must be cuz I own the top website urls on googel search my ratio is below 1/250 "the best in a very long time" and Im more then pleased with that so this means Im getting dir sign ups :)

[GroobySteven]

Must be cuz I own the top website urls on googel search my ratio is below 1/250 "the best in a very long time" and Im more then pleased with that so this means Im getting dir sign ups :)

That's got nothing to do with ratios. Direct traffic should be better than 1/250. You should be getting direct traffic and the full signups but affiliates also send you traffic and on equal traffic, getting 1/4000 is way down.
However, if you are happy with it, then all the best.

[SunshyneMonroe]

That's got nothing to do with ratios. Direct traffic should be better than 1/250. You should be getting direct traffic and the full signups but affiliates also send you traffic and on equal traffic, getting 1/4000 is way down.
However, if you are happy with it, then all the best.

depends whoms traffic it is maybe it just sucks

and you would jump for that ratio.... this was even before I had a preview vid.... just came up 2 days ago...my site is doing very well steven..Im not begging ne one for work nor do i have to worry about where Im gonna lay my head...

[GroobySteven]

depends whoms traffic it is maybe it just sucks

and you would jump for that ratio.... this was even before I had a preview vid.... just came up 2 days ago...my site is doing very well steven..Im not begging ne one for work nor do i have to worry about where Im gonna lay my head...

I'd love that ratio promoting your site and you're missing my [point entirely by getting defensive. I'm an affiliate of your site. Yes not all traffic is equal which accounts for ratios but what I'm saying to you, is that your site is harder for me to convert than some of the other recent models on SMC on the same traffic (members area traffic). However, it seems like you are hostile to any suggestions so I won't offend you further by giving them. You have my email should you want.

[SunshyneMonroe]

I'd love that ratio promoting your site and you're missing my [point entirely by getting defensive. I'm an affiliate of your site. Yes not all traffic is equal which accounts for ratios but what I'm saying to you, is that your site is harder for me to convert than some of the other recent models on SMC on the same traffic (members area traffic). However, it seems like you are hostile to any suggestions so I won't offend you further by giving them. You have my email should you want.

Oh steven Im not being defensive no need my numbers are some of the best... just letting you know how my affilate is doing and my email is booksunshyne@yahoo.com you should have it next time you ever wanna talk feel free to email me

[Tiffany Anne]

I like that idea. You could have mid-card porn stars and have heels and faces fucking each other while maintaining Kayfabe. Bottoms could now be called jobbers and tops have squash and handicapped matches. Don't forget the Grooby Contract on a Pole Match. It's always fun deciding who gets a push.


24/7 Hardcore rules apply?

[GroobySteven]

Oh steven Im not being defensive no need my numbers are some of the best... just letting you know how my affilate is doing

You just don't get it. Do you even get to see the affiliate ratios? I'm telling you, yours aren't performing like some others and it should.
Pfffh - try and help someone and they get all arsy about it. Nevermind, I'll keep trying to see if I can improve on the ratio on your site to bring it up to the other solo girls site we promote.

[TSMissJasmine]

Absolutely. Some models like Kimber have done very well by managing their own exposure. Others less so but overall I agree with you. However, that should be a choice for the model to make, not a stipulation or a rule.

By the way, I'm having a real hard time converting you - it's currently at a 1:4001 ratio compared to other recent SMC models this is double or more. It's obviously not because of you, as you are a cute cat and I know you sell well - and the content looks great. I have my opinions why it's not converting better, if you want me to share them just drop me a line at admin@grooby.com and I'll let you know from this affiliates point of view.
Thanks


In addition to Kimber James what about Ashley George, Bailey Jay, Sarina Valentina, Jasmine Jewels and all the other girls whom you've not been given the opportunity to over expose between your fake blogs and bogus traffic which goes back to your sites. Lining your pockets with the 50% rather that the girls own profits, good job mate. Must piss you off that you can't figure out how to send converting traffic to Sunshyne's site. 50% of a girls sign-ups and you can't have any of www.Sunshyneland.com .

Funny how no other mega site owner is on any board getting into other girls business. In fact, I don't know a single man that sits around and spends his time trying to berate hard working performers / business women. I imagine you are mad because of a couple reasons. I can see it is that you don't send any converting traffic. 1:250 is a great ratio, Now that Sunshyne has produced months & months of hot hardcore content, her ratios will get even better. If your shit traffic was out of the mix, she gets better still.

Also, without your garbage, shit 1:4000 non converting traffic, her ratios would be much higher. Sunshyne has one affiliate alone who converts her 1:125 & many more affiliates just as successful. Real traffic, real conversions...Jealous?

Perhaps if you focused on helping your own girls earn a living rather than being ignorant to girls from other sites that are becoming business woman, your girls and even one of your LA producers, will stop calling people like me to help them? Take care of your own people and quit trying to plant doubt with false information into the minds of otherwise honest, hard working girls.

TS performers are becoming business women, get used to it. You can't get rich off the new breed for they see how successful (NOT) your business plan has treated their sisters of the past... Perhaps it's time you re-write your mission statement and rebuild something sustainable. Something that gives back to the girls you've been profiting off of since girls like Olivia Love.

If you need any consulting from a successful performer who's done well managing their own image, you can contact me or any of the girls I've listed in the 1st paragraph of this retort. I'll probably tell you to fuck off but perhaps the other girls will feel sorry for you and give you a bone.

[TSMissJasmine]

I'll make a slight correction to what Jamie stated. Only one company (not Grooby) that I know of, has talked some of the more naive (no disrespect intended) and new girls into exclusitivity contracts. It's a bit of a shame as it's limited some models exposure and certainly harmed their bank balances and I suspect that the contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.

I appreciate companies have to be competitive and some companies are finding that increasingly more difficult to do so but doing it at the expense of a models career or income, purely to further their own, isn't cool. Models should be able to work for who they want, when they want. Their choice, not stipulated through any company that is simply a website partner with them.

Anyway - good luck and congratulations to Jamie and Tiffany - if you get married, we'll host a party!

I can't imagine what company you are eluding to but I never received a thank you from Buddy Wood for sending Adrianna Lynn Rush to him a couple months ago. She wanted to visit LA so I suggested she do it at your expense, just like she did with your .xxx site when she wanted to go to the awards party last month. Thank you, she had fun.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the girls who've moved to LA under the false pretense of a "Grooby" promise, only to find herself replaced by the next barely legal, tucking her tail between her legs and running back home with nothing in her purse.

And by the way, everyone knows your 20% deal is a joke. By the time you take away their ability to "count the money 1st" , charge them 20% for counting their money, another 14% to cc-bill, another what, 10%-15% for web design & management & another 2%-30% for talent, they have what, 35% left and 15 hours/day to manage it all themselves just so you can count their money before they see it. Good job man, you must think all Trans women are idiots. Never under-estimate a movement.

There is more to life than whoring and escorting. Girls need to look out for their own future. You've proven in the past, come to LA and shoot with grooby and you'll be sure to have nothing at the end of your journey.

Own your own image...count your own money. Everyone in this business has a shelf life, everyone. sounds like you're reaching yours

[Jamie French]

How did this go from being a cute little thread about Tiffany and I to this bullshit...? Take it to TrannyMasters or start your own thread. Christ sakes.

[GroobySteven]

Hahahaha - didn't take long for my bait to catch the little worm, that is Jazmine "Bitter" Jewels.
Thanks for the soapbox.

I'm well aware of which ships are sinking and why some companies have to get more aggressive in their contracts because of this. It's not to protect the models interests but purely their own and photographers like you, who profit from them not appearing elsewhere. They're losing money and exposure by not being given that choice, themselves.

Grooby has never made false promises to anyone, in fact, if anything I've told models how the industry really is. You might want to look at yourself for giving poor advice to naive and un-suspecting new models, who think because you've a pair of tits that you are on their side.

I go on these boards because I'm the only "mega-site" owner who actually gives a shit about the industry and the models and not just making money from them and that attitude serves me well, although I can see why it would be so frustrating to somebody like yourself who doesn't understand the adult internet industry.


And by the way, everyone knows your 20% deal is a joke. By the time you take away their ability to "count the money 1st" , charge them 20% for counting their money, another 14% to cc-bill, another what, 10%-15% for web design & management & another 2%-30% for talent, they have what, 35% left and 15 hours/day to manage it all themselves just so you can count their money before they see it. Good job man, you must think all Trans women are idiots. Never under-estimate a movement.

You're an idiot. You think you have the right information but you can't even read and comprehend : http://www.groobynetwork.com


all models get full access to their NATS stats so they can see the sales daily/hourly and where they come from.
we don't pay 14% to CCBill we pay 10% or less (is SMC really charging you 14%?).
AFTER the billing charges come out. AFTER the affiliate sales come out, we then take 20% of what is left with the models getting 80%.
we don't charge any other design or management costs. In fact there are no other costs at all.
we then with the model, market it, provide affiliate free links on all our sites, DMCA piracy (something other companies should invest more in) and give them everythign they need to run a site.

... and that's why we have models lining up to work with us. Our 20% covers our expenses (barely) but by providing the models who really can work a website themselves and don't need to be pimped by Jasmine Jewels an alternative outlet.


Now when did your shelf-life expire or were you always rotten?

[GroobySteven]

How did this go from being a cute little thread about Tiffany and I to this bullshit...? Take it to TrannyMasters or start your own thread. Christ sakes.

Yeah sorry, nature of a forum. You did open the door though at least it keeps your love thread near the top :-)

[Jamie French]

I suppose you're right... Also, just to be clear - I'm a Grooby employee and Grooby Network Model. So it's kind of insulting when someone who has never seen my contract, workload, or daily operations, speaks on my or anyone else behalf... basically calling us retarded. I don't just know the correct numbers I am the freakin' numbers. I've made more money working for Grooby in the past two years than my last three 'civilian' jobs combined over the course of the previous five.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Sorry jamie but you know how the net goes :) Steven I dont know what too tell you hun Im sorry my content isnt working for you but its doing well for myself and as Jas said for other ppl...and you dont know what ur dirs r telling other girls too get them to shoot lol how could u? But know that girls have been told ohhh come too la and shoot youll be a star move there and end up st walking a girl just last week had too call her family for money too get back home..smc pays for tiks for talnet....and they r shady

[GroobySteven]

Sorry jamie but you know how the net goes :) Steven I dont know what too tell you hun Im sorry my content isnt working for you but its doing well for myself and as Jas said for other ppl...and you dont know what ur dirs r telling other girl too get the to shoot lol how could u? But know that girls have been told ohhh come too la and shoot youll be a star move there and end up st walking a girl just last week had too call her family for money too get back home..smc pays for tiks for talnet....and they r shady
Come back in the morning and re-write that thanks.
I'll continue to push the site and see what I can do about the ratios. The traffic is coming, it's just not converting. I have no problem with the content, it's excellent.

[GroobySteven]

I suppose you're right... Also, just to be clear - I'm a Grooby employee and Grooby Network Model. So it's kind of insulting when someone who has never seen my contract, workload, or daily operations, speaks on my or anyone else behalf... basically calling us retarded. I don't just know the correct numbers I am the freakin' numbers. I've made more money working for Grooby in the past two years than my last three 'civilian' jobs combined over the course of the previous five.

It shouldn't be an issue, of models being for this camp or that. Divide and conquer isn't what it's cracked up to be, there are way too many freelancers and I just support models being able to work for whom they wish. If they choose not to work for us, then that's fine - as long as it's their choice.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Come back in the morning and re-write that thanks.
I'll continue to push the site and see what I can do about the ratios. The traffic is coming, it's just not converting. I have no problem with the content, it's excellent.

If im on ha ever its on my phone I dont have the time to fix it and it is the morning dear and sure igg wut I said steven now I wonder if u do know what going on........ have a great day and I hope my content does gets better under ur aff or as good as everyone elses but day sir :)

[Jamie French]

Tiffany and I are great BTW... we are already working on plans to move in together. Thinkin' Vegas... who knows? ;)

[SunshyneMonroe]

I suppose you're right... Also, just to be clear - I'm a Grooby employee and Grooby Network Model. So it's kind of insulting when someone who has never seen my contract, workload, or daily operations, speaks on my or anyone else behalf... basically calling us retarded. I don't just know the correct numbers I am the freakin' numbers. I've made more money working for Grooby in the past two years than my last three 'civilian' jobs combined over the course of the previous five.

Jamie I dont think she is calling you dumb...but you have too find ur talent you also have too pay 100% of everything ...... talent the talents test if he does not pay him self letting him get about 150 buck for shooting you have too pay someone too shoot and edit..unless you have your own stuff ...we dont....we dont even pay for lunch if we dont want too..

[Nikka]

J.we dont even pay for lunch if we dont want too..

I love Free meals!

[alpha2117]

I like that idea. You could have mid-card porn stars and have heels and faces fucking each other while maintaining Kayfabe. Bottoms could now be called jobbers and tops have squash and handicapped matches. Don't forget the Grooby Contract on a Pole Match. It's always fun deciding who gets a push.

John Laurinaitis wishes John Morrison the best in all Future Endeavors - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxtgSngr_WQ)


LMAO ... the word Kayfabe is rushing over peoples heads I'm sure but that was comedy gold son comedy gold.

[Jamie French]

That's fine for someone like me. I HAVE to have control over stuff like that. I don't want stuff just handed to me... my personality type requires hands on, DIY work or I get all jittery thinking someone else might screw up my vision.

The cost is negligible to someone like me. The skill sets I build doing all my own production has landed me jobs that make porn money look like a puke sandwich and it never would have happened if the reins weren't in my hands.


Jamie I dont think she is calling you dumb...but you have too find ur talent you also have too pay 100% of everything ...... talent the talents test if he does not pay him self letting him get about 150 buck for shooting you have too pay someone too shoot and edit..unless you have your own stuff ...we dont....we dont even pay for lunch if we dont want too..

[SunshyneMonroe]

That's fine for someone like me. I HAVE to have control over stuff like that. I don't want stuff just handed to me... my personality type requires hands on, DIY work or I get all jittery thinking someone else might screw up my vision.

The cost is negligible to someone like me. The skill sets I build doing all my own production has landed me jobs that make porn money look like a puke sandwich and it never would have happened if the reins weren't in my hands.
And thats fine for YOU you know how too shoot edit ect .... I like the fact all I have too worry about is shooting I say I want this model in this set on this date get my hair and makeup done even if he is only maken 20% they should pay 20% of everything

[GroobySteven]

... even if he is only maken 20% they should pay 20% of everything

The website model you work under is excellent for models who just want to shoot content. I love it and frequently have told models who aren't interested in working on the day-to-day of a website, to go there. We're offering something entirely different.
Our 20% covers the server, software, graphics, management, anti-piracy, affiliate management and many other expenses which aren't accounted in. The difference is that this isn't a partnership site, we're just managing the backend of everything for the models. Most models trying to run her own site wouldn't be able to afford all of the above AND get keyed into our affiliate and traffic networks.
Not only that, they have 100% ownership of all the content, 100% ownership of their domain names and can take their content and website to another company anytime they wish.

[TSMissJasmine]

I suppose you're right... Also, just to be clear - I'm a Grooby employee and Grooby Network Model. So it's kind of insulting when someone who has never seen my contract, workload, or daily operations, speaks on my or anyone else behalf... basically calling us retarded. I don't just know the correct numbers I am the freakin' numbers. I've made more money working for Grooby in the past two years than my last three 'civilian' jobs combined over the course of the previous five.

I apologize for giving you that impression. To be honest, I don't read HA but I did received a dozen calls from a couple affiliates and a couple girls about Steven's inaccurate comments on this tread. So I logged on and jumped to page 5 not even looking at the thread's origination. Congrats to you and Tiffany by the way.

I wouldn't dare call you a retard as I see you are a very hard working & successful business woman. I run a couple of my own sites so believe me, I can only imagine how hard you work with most of the responsibility of its success on you personally. But I would say it's your hard work ethic, drive gorgeous look & bad ass performances which make you successful, not grooby. I bet you would be successful regardless of who you choose to create business partnerships with for your personal and professional growth.

In fact I will say that I admire your success. I am too dysfunctional to run 100% of every aspect of my website operation. I would probably fail on my own. As a solo girl for SMC, I pay only 4% or 5% to cc:bill because all costs are split 50/50 between me and SMC. All costs, models, talent, shooters, producers etc. Building the website, managing content & updates, everything post production is handled by my partner. All I have to do is fuck ass and call it a day. Same with every girl I shoot for solo sites.

I don't know about contracts because for me and the girls I shoot most of us just did a verbal agreement. The girls who have written contracts felt comfortable with a contract requested & received one.

Either way, the contract is simple, all costs are split between both parties and, both parties agree to stick with the site for 1 year. Nobody can quit.

SMC doesn't really have a program to recruit new solo girls. Most of the girls come to SMC with a site idea and if theres a match then a site is born. I have little to do with who approaches SMC for a solo site. As a producer if I (or Nick) have professional chemistry with a girl & think she's an exceptional performer who shows interest in opening her own site and has a good business mind, we can ask the owner of SMC permission to work (for free) on opening content for that girl & get paid a small percentage of the net profits on the back end (from the owner of SMC's percentage, not the models). I think grooby is the only company actively & aggressively offering programs to have girls start their own websites.

All SMC girls I shoot can (and have) work for anyone we like. So I don't get the accusations from Seanchai about contracts and exclusivity and such. Some girls prefer to focus on her own brand & are better served by not over-shooting for multi site whether it be yum or strokers or club. But at the end of the day, we all shoot for whomever we want. Seems they (Steven) formulates his inaccurate opinion by listening to "one hit wonder" girls trying play each production company for more $$$'s. Saying negative things to SMC about Grooby or saying negative things about Grooby to SMC. I don't play into it but obviously Steven does. I had one girl do that from what I can tell and I just walked away. I think Buddy did the same. he shot her out and moved on.

In any case, no need for me to be on this thread raining on your thread. Again congrats to you and Tiffany and I wish you the best of success in everything you do.

[GroobySteven]

Seems they (Steven) formulates his inaccurate opinion by listening to "one hit wonder" girls trying play each production company for more $$$'s. Saying negative things to SMC about Grooby or saying negative things about Grooby to SMC. I don't play into it but obviously Steven does. I had one girl do that from what I can tell and I just walked away. I think Buddy did the same. he shot her out and moved on.

I guess I do make that opinion. I've heard it from so many, "one-hit" wonder girls!

You are so full of shit Jasmine.

[SunshyneMonroe]

The website model you work under is excellent for models who just want to shoot content. I love it and frequently have told models who aren't interested in working on the day-to-day of a website, to go there. We're offering something entirely different.
Our 20% covers the server, software, graphics, management, anti-piracy, affiliate management and many other expenses which aren't accounted in. The difference is that this isn't a partnership site, we're just managing the backend of everything for the models. Most models trying to run her own site wouldn't be able to afford all of the above AND get keyed into our affiliate and traffic networks.
Not only that, they have 100% ownership of all the content, 100% ownership of their domain names and can take their content and website to another company anytime they wish.

Ok sooooo why do they need you again lol ur maken something and yet they do and pay for everything...its crazy that a bizz man like ur self would even come on here and fight with talent or even ppl that pay for ur porn lol isa would never act like that lol post a girls aff numbers why dont u post jamie s lets see how bad 1/250 is lol if ur sites r sooooooo great why is it that you dont have ne of the top girls...

[GroobySteven]

Ok sooooo why do they need you again lol ur maken something and yet they do and pay for everything...its crazy that a bizz man like ur self would even come on here and fight with talent or even ppl that pay for ur porn lol isa would never act like that lol post a girls aff numbers why dont u post jamie s lets see how bad 1/250 is lol if ur sites r sooooooo great why is it that you dont have ne of the top girls...

Uh? What are you talking about? If you can't see why they want to work with us then you really are missing the picture. Who pays for the design? The server? The DMCA agent? The software? The marketing?
1/250 is a great ratio for all traffic but you said that was for direct traffic coming from you, in that case, it's good but not that great.

What does Isa have to do with it (apart from having a dog that comes on here and bites for her?). You started the argument, I wanted to show you why I think you site could convert (even) better and make money for all of us - but you took the hump at that.

[christianxxx]

i dont want to get involved in this thread, but i had to laugh when i read Jasmine's well written and articulate rant about Steven and his shitty traffic, and then realized that every girl she used as an example Steven has autoprogrammed to link his own affiliate code into the post. okay carry on arguing

p.s. i want to work with sunshyne monroe so badly in 2012. yes please!

[christianxxx]

fuck! he just did to me too!

[TSMissJasmine]

Hahahaha - didn't take long for my bait to catch the little worm, that is Jazmine "Bitter" Jewels.
Thanks for the soapbox.

I'm well aware of which ships are sinking and why some companies have to get more aggressive in their contracts because of this. It's not to protect the models interests but purely their own and photographers like you, who profit from them not appearing elsewhere. They're losing money and exposure by not being given that choice, themselves.

Grooby has never made false promises to anyone, in fact, if anything I've told models how the industry really is. You might want to look at yourself for giving poor advice to naive and un-suspecting new models, who think because you've a pair of tits that you are on their side.

I go on these boards because I'm the only "mega-site" owner who actually gives a shit about the industry and the models and not just making money from them and that attitude serves me well, although I can see why it would be so frustrating to somebody like yourself who doesn't understand the adult internet industry.

You're an idiot. You think you have the right information but you can't even read and comprehend : http://www.groobynetwork.com


all models get full access to their NATS stats so they can see the sales daily/hourly and where they come from.
we don't pay 14% to CCBill we pay 10% or less (is SMC really charging you 14%?).
AFTER the billing charges come out. AFTER the affiliate sales come out, we then take 20% of what is left with the models getting 80%.
we don't charge any other design or management costs. In fact there are no other costs at all.
we then with the model, market it, provide affiliate free links on all our sites, DMCA piracy (something other companies should invest more in) and give them everythign they need to run a site.

... and that's why we have models lining up to work with us. Our 20% covers our expenses (barely) but by providing the models who really can work a website themselves and don't need to be pimped by Jasmine Jewels an alternative outlet.


Now when did your shelf-life expire or were you always rotten?


If you were sincere about wanting to resolve your 1:4000 ratio problem with the very well converting new starlet sunshyne monroe, you would have contacted marcel or the owner of SMC because obviously you're missing something. Not started a shit storm or try and announce or suggest sunshyne's site isn't converting well. You just look like an idiot to the affiliates that are converting her well, which is most of them. They are all laughing at you, as usual.

I see your not ready to address your shit traffic nor your "fan blogs" that seem to re-direct traffic from a girls "name" back to one of your sites. Just stick with sounding off like another slug with nothing to say but call girls names. It's quite entertaining.

I see you also forgot to mention with your 20% offer, the cost of talent, & content production fall on the model herself, before you take your 20%. I would imagine a girl has to spend quite a lot of money and quite a lot of time in order to achieve success. I bet their hard work does more for their success than your traffic gives them. Especially if you create fan blogs to drive traffic back to you, as you seem to do with most talent.

You're just as boring as you've always been...never any facts, only accusations and intimidation. And never any response to the numbers or facts. A diva site owner with no respect for the talent that feeds you and hopefully pays for your dental insurance, which you don't seem to use

You're such an advocate and "carer" of trans professionals. Where's your TS staff, shooters, editors, managers etc. What Trans Professionals do you employ other than shooting them out and telling the to be happy you increased their escort traffic. Where's the percentage of profits that you promised to many girls who did dvd's with you that never received their profits? Not everyone wants to escort forever, nobody can. We all have to think of our future. even you when you sink your company you should have something else to fall on.

And what straight man puts an avatar pic of another man? Do you wish to be like him or do you wish to be fucked by him? I though you only liked girls under 21

I'm off this thread.

[TSMissJasmine]

fuck! he just did to me too!

lmao,,,,get to chicago boo boo, lets see you and sunshyne fuck. She's been all TOP'y lately so get that well used hole of yours ready.

And can we please have a prettier avatar pic of you? Ass, the cock (intimidating vein side), something?

[GroobySteven]

You're such an advocate and "carer" of trans professionals. Where's your TS staff, shooters, editors, managers etc. What Trans Professionals do you employ other than shooting them out and telling the to be happy you increased their escort traffic.

Oh dear. You suck.
We employ three transgendered photographers/videographers.
We employ one transgendered webmistress.
We employ one transgendered video editor.
We employ two transgendered promoters/marketers.



Where's the percentage of profits that you promised to many girls who did dvd's with you that never received their profits?
If we release a DVD that has solely the models name from internet scenes which models were fully paid for , then when they are in profit, small but regular payments are made to the models despite having NEVER promised them. In fact, most models were surprised when contacted and offered. The few other DVD's that have yet to turn profit (as they were so expensive to produce) will pay dividends to those models when they do.



You're just as boring as you've always been...never any facts, only accusations and intimidation. And never any response to the numbers or facts. A diva site owner with no respect for the talent that feeds you and hopefully pays for your dental insurance, which you don't seem to use

Boring enough that you claim lots of people contacted you (as if) about this thread and you feel the need to attack? Intimidation? Please, I've seen your texts intimidating and threatening people and heard enough about you on your violence. I don't have dental insurance, I live in the UK and have really strong and healthy teeth, which haven't needed a filling for years despite regular checkups. What a strange comment but thanks for asking.




And what straight man puts an avatar pic of another man? Do you wish to be like him or do you wish to be fucked by him?
Both!!!



I though you only liked girls under 21

You thought wrong, what a strange and sad question, is that the best you've got to try and sully my name? I haven't dated a 21 yr old or under since I was about 28. Have you?

[TSMissJasmine]

Uh? What are you talking about? If you can't see why they want to work with us then you really are missing the picture. Who pays for the design? The server? The DMCA agent? The software? The marketing?
1/250 is a great ratio for all traffic but you said that was for direct traffic coming from you, in that case, it's good but not that great.

What does Isa have to do with it (apart from having a dog that comes on here and bites for her?). You started the argument, I wanted to show you why I think you site could convert (even) better and make money for all of us - but you took the hump at that.

Honey Isabelle is too busy managing websites, she doesn't even look at this site nor know I post here on occasion. She'd probably tell me to quit playing in your short bus sandbox and get back to work. Who has time to bend and twist the truth for a personal agenda but you. I just had time to kill tonight digitizing videos Ive been shooting all week. thanks for keeping me awake with your usual ignorance. Good night and get your teeth cleaned. next time i have to be up all night working (while your objectifying and berating trans performers), I'll fit a post; top 10 facts why Steven is the biggest douche-bag on HA

go find that underage femme boy to exploit next.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Uh? What are you talking about? If you can't see why they want to work with us then you really are missing the picture. Who pays for the design? The server? The DMCA agent? The software? The marketing?
1/250 is a great ratio for all traffic but you said that was for direct traffic coming from you, in that case, it's good but not that great.

What does Isa have to do with it (apart from having a dog that comes on here and bites for her?). You started the argument, I wanted to show you why I think you site could convert (even) better and make money for all of us - but you took the hump at that.

Im sorry said direct cuz I own the top google search sites but its over all I know ppl do shady things like make fake blogs and sites in order to take money from girls that they would make without them...so I got about ten urls :) but hey if im doing 1:250 & urs is so slow then ur messing with my numbers dont do me ne favors like I said im very happy with my numbers in 2012z market... Isa would never send ne one too say ne thing she has to much class if ne thing she would not even want us talking with u and ur bs again smc has the top girls for a rezon...if u cant make ne money off of me then move on ..

[TSMissJasmine]

Im sorry said direct cuz I own the top google search sites but its over all I know ppl do shady things like make fake blogs and sites in order to take money from girls that they would make without them...so I got about ten urls :) but hey if im doing 1:250 & urs is so slow then ur messing with my numbers dont do me ne favors like I said im very happy with my numbers in 2012z market... Isa would never send ne one too say ne thing she has to much class if ne thing she would not even want us talking with u and ur bs again smc has the top girls for a rezon...if u cant make ne money off of me then move on ..

Oh honey move on. Seanchi is just pissed he didnt buy your url's before you did as he got away with in the past with other girls. Do you see sammy from strokers on here, Joey Silvera, Anyone from Devils? Kink? Isabelle works like 12-14 hours per day on our sites. The last thing she has time for is meaningless banter from a troll who's gotten rich off of girls that are walking the streets to survive.

Isabelle would kick my employee ass if she knew I was entertaining myself with a failing business owner behaving just like the chasers that beg us for dick then call us men when we deny them. Lets get a dinner later and plan the next round of content!!!! I'm busy all day shooting content that gets the rest of your affiliates conversions and $$$$$

P.S. Christian wants to fuck you soon

[SunshyneMonroe]

i dont want to get involved in this thread, but i had to laugh when i read Jasmine's well written and articulate rant about Steven and his shitty traffic, and then realized that every girl she used as an example Steven has autoprogrammed to link his own affiliate code into the post. okay carry on arguing

p.s. i want to work with sunshyne monroe so badly in 2012. yes please!


Oh honey move on. Seanchi is just pissed he didnt buy your url's before you did as he got away with in the past with other girls. Do you see sammy from strokers on here, Joey Silvera, Anyone from Devils? Kink? Isabelle works like 12-14 hours per day on our sites. The last thing she has time for is meaningless banter from a troll who's gotten rich off of girls that are walking the streets to survive.

Isabelle would kick my employee ass if she knew I was entertaining myself with a failing business owner behaving just like the chasers that beg us for dick then call us men when we deny them. Lets get a dinner later and plan the next round of content!!!! I'm busy all day shooting content that gets the rest of your affiliates conversions and $$$$$

P.S. Christian wants to fuck you soon

Lol I know but we both know what he was trying to do okay call me later and I hope u got some sleep cuz im coming over wayyyyy before dinner im loney :( & know know christian wants my cakes but ive seen his work and that big ole thing is not gonna be digggin my walls out lol I like them just how they r :)

[TSMissJasmine]

Lol I know but we both know what he was trying to do okay call me later and I hope u got some sleep cuz im coming over wayyyyy before dinner im loney :( & know know christian wants my cakes but ive seen his work and that big ole thing is not gonna be digggin my walls out lol I like them just how they r :)


hehe you just said digging in my balls out... Baby, I've seen your "Well Conditioned" Hole. I suspect you can take it just fine. In any case, we're gonna "pretend" christian gets to fuck you then BAM, his dick will be in chastity and ass in the air.... Triple penetration?

Besides, the plan is to gangbang christian. Typical Jas Studios BB objectification of said male. I may even pop my tiny 7" cock into his hole, after everyone loosens it up for me

[GroobySteven]

Isabelle would kick my employee ass if she knew I was entertaining myself with a failing business owner behaving just like the chasers that beg us for dick then call us men when we deny them. Lets get a dinner later and plan the next round of content!!!! I'm busy all day shooting content that gets the rest of your affiliates conversions and $$$$$


Thanks for the soapbox and pleased I helped keep you awake.

[tsdvdman]

By the way, I'm having a real hard time converting you - it's currently at a 1:4001 ratio compared to other recent SMC models this is double or more. It's obviously not because of you, as you are a cute cat and I know you sell well - and the content looks great. I have my opinions why it's not converting better, if you want me to share them just drop me a line at admin@grooby.com and I'll let you know from this affiliates point of view.
Thanks
I have to admit when I read this it sounded real shady..like an old-school pimp trying to sweet talk a new young money maker...lol
Come on Seanchi you an "exec" man... you my guy (hooked me up when I first went to Brazil years ago) but you meddling with the girls back and forth on this level is not a good look dude

[GroobySteven]

I have to admit when I read this it sounded real shady..like an old-school pimp trying to sweet talk a new young money maker...lol
Come on Seanchi you an "exec" man... you my guy (hooked me up when I first went to Brazil years ago) but you meddling with the girls back and forth on this level is not a good look dude

It was a genuine offer. My traffic should be converting better on such a good model and good content.

I'll always engage models, webmasters, members and the rest, directly.

[Jamie French]

K, I'll barf up one more thought before I pass out, (21 hour drive from LA just now.)

There's this little thing I like to call The Human Factor. Truth is, I was running my own site just fine for 4 years straight but I eventually hit a wall & decided it was time I attain a wider reach. My production companies resources are meek compared to the big time players so I hit up Grooby who not only gave me my first shot at this business back in '06 but have provided me with resources, legal help, invaluable advice, etc. on top of an actual WELL paying job in post production... all this over the years and in spite of times when I've acted far less than admirable. What I have with Grooby is real solid rapport. They see past my big nose and my flat (until recently) chest and didn't flinch when I asked to join the network. I would never be allowed to join SMC - the thought never entered my head to do so. I'm no Tiffany Starr (LOVE you!) or anywhere near those types - I'm alt at best and still Grooby gives me a green light. That goes a long way with me. I do the work I've always enjoyed doing at a higher standard of quality, worry about none of the back end and take in a bigger slice of pie than I could possibly provide for myself. Different companies work better for different people, that much is obvious... I'm just throwing in my, "Why". I believe in the company I work for/with, so if I get a little spikey you'll just have to understand that I feel fortunate and grateful to be doing any of this at all! Thus, backing up my associates at Grooby is not only a personal obligation, but a point of pride as well.

[GroobySteven]

K, I'll barf up one more thought before I pass out, (21 hour drive from LA just now.)


Well it's a different thing Jamie, two different business models and as I said it shouldn't be an us or them sort of thing but it seems like some people have consipired to make it so, despite, behind the scenes, both companies making money from each other. I just think the only people who really suffer are the models from this untoward approach, we both know there are models that have been told they can't work with Grooby and I'm not just talking about your wifey.
Anyway, it was cool for Jasmine to be such an attacking tool and show her usual true colours and make a fool out of herself, accusing us of not having TG's on staff other than models.

Let's get on with some other work - this one has played it's course.

[Jamie French]

Agreed. Rock.

[Nikka]

fuck! he just did to me too!

what happend if I write ChristianXXX ?

edit: no I don´t see the link :D

[christianxxx]

no, but you get me trolling and giving you

Christian Sings The Blues (http://www.christiansingstheblues.com)

[GroobyKrissy]

So, although I do dislike adding to this thread, which started out as a way for Jamie and Tiffany to share a small bit of their happiness with the rest of us...

These 'Fan Blogs' have been mentioned a couple of times, and since I don't think it is any big secret anymore that I author most of the posts on them, I suppose I should weigh in.

First, I find odd, the reasoning that the model 'would have made that money' if the Fan Blog didn't exist...which is making a large leap in numerous assumptions which I won't bore you with. Granted, the more URL's you can maintain and purchase to protect your own interests, the better off business-wise you'll be. Still, it is still a universally accepted truth in marketing that '...any PR is good PR...'. Do you suppose for one minute that if Grooby didn't own a URL related to a TS Pornstar, someone else wouldn't snap it up? A quick search on any of the major names in the industry at the moment will bring up various other fansites, blogs, biopages, etc. etc., which I assume are not owned by the featured model, some of which even outrank the Official Site itself. If it were me, I would take the additional PR, which is (in fact) not costing me anything, but gaining me an audience that otherwise may not have been reached. For another thread here, I tallied up the actual unique visitors that the blogs I author on behalf of Grooby reach per day... It amounted to between 13,000 - 15,000 persons. If you don't need or want that kind of PR in this industry, I would guess that you really have no serious ambitions about rising to the 'top'.

Second, it is simply a false assumption and fallacy to assume that Grooby Productions actively seeks to undermine girls' success and careers by purchasing URL's. On numerous occasions, I have petitioned to start a Fan Blog of someone that I thought would be a rising star in the industry, and have gotten the 'No' response. Clearly, Grooby has the resources to purchase any (available) conceivable URL it wanted, but concentrates instead on girls who have shot extensively for the company or got their start on one of its properties.

Thirdly, I simply can't understand this thought by a small, but vocal few, that Grooby Productions (aka: Steven) is some money grubbing, industry tycoon who doesn't care one iota about the actual people involved in it. I think ANYONE who has been actively involved in the TA's (Tranny Awards) for the past four (5?) years, can say without a doubt, that it is a 'labor of love' that is all about the models / performers. Additionally, contrary to what was so cavalierly and INCORRECTLY assumed, Grooby Productions does, in fact, employ a variety of persons that encompasses the sexuality of all, which I think was a completely arrogant and dismissive assumption to make.

Let's be honest here... Grooby has no real reason to employ me at all. I run a successful site, but don't, and probably won't ever stand out from the crowd. Apart from a fierce loyalty and (I hope) the ideas and effort I bring to the table, there are probably numerous persons out there who could do the job I do. I have appreciated the business relationship that I have with Grooby Productions, as well as the personal friendship I have developed with Steven and the other staff. Everyone at Grooby has always treated me with kindness and gone out of their ways to include me in discussions and events.

Finally, I haven't joined the Grooby Network for a couple of personal and professional reasons regarding my current working relationship with my webhost, although it was under consideration, and a difficult decision. The costs and etc. have been debated ad nauseum, but perhaps the most appealing difference for myself is in this line from the Grooby Girls page, '...you own and maintain the content...' As a site owner who has had to go through the hassle of moving from one business relationship to another, this would be the most important thing in a decision to jump on a network relationship. As far as I know, the GN is the only one out there who makes this distinction...?

OK, well, clearly, much more to be said on this issue, but as is my custom, I have probably already glazed over every ones' eyes :) Sorry :) This is what happens when I wake up and have coffee.

[GroobyKrissy]

It was a genuine offer. My traffic should be converting better on such a good model and good content.

I'll always engage models, webmasters, members and the rest, directly.

I cannot stress enough the wise (yup, I said it) business advice that Steven has given me in the past regarding my site when I was starting out. Quite honestly, when I was younger and more arrogant, I truly thought I had it all figured out. Now, looking back, I am grateful for the input he (and others) had on my site.

My outlook on this is simply, what could it hurt to listen?

It doesn't mean you are obligated to do everything suggested... I didn't. But perhaps, just perhaps, some one who has been in the industry for what, a zillion years, may have a fresh outlook or something you haven't thought of that will help increase sales.

[Nikka]

no, but you get me trolling and giving you

Christian Sings The Blues (http://www.christiansingstheblues.com)

talking about traffic, send me some of your traffic to my website :D

[lisaparadise]

[CODE]

we don't pay 14% to CCBill we pay 10% or less (is SMC really charging you 14%?).
AFTER the billing charges come out. AFTER the affiliate sales come out, we then take 20% of what is left with the models getting 80%.
we don't charge any other design or management costs. In fact there are no other costs at all.
we then with the model, market it, provide affiliate free links on all our sites, DMCA piracy (something other companies should invest more in) and give them everythign they need to run a site.
[/LIST]... and that's why we have models lining up to work with us. Our 20% covers our expenses (barely) but by providing the models who really can work a website themselves and don't need to be pimped by Jasmine Jewels an alternative outlet.


Now when did your shelf-life expire or were you always rotten?i dunno about any sites but it looks like a pretty good deal for both parties.

[Nikka]

so , no more fun in this thread? :(

[Tiffany Starr]

Well there will always be fun in our bedroom :-)

[Tiffany Starr]

wow when did this thread turn into a fight? I like SMC and Grooby. Just turns out I have to pursue one direction right now. Seeing SMC and Grooby argue in a thread about...you know...me and jamie just makes me think it should be moved to it's own thread.

[tsadriana]

Just lettin' the world know (as excited, love-strucks are bound to do) That I am no longer single... see? <3
Jamie all the happiness for u both and plenty of love xxxxxxxxxxxx

[Jamie French]

Let 'em fight baby... has nothing to do with our private world anyhow.

[txjr3]

i can spot Buddy Wood's kitchen in about .2 seconds.

damn Tiffany Star looks a lot like Kimberly Kills in that shot. amazing

Have they ever been seen in the same place together? It is an uncanny resemblance. Separated at birth? Both really hot, btw!

[txjr3]

Have they ever been seen in the same place together? It is an uncanny resemblance. Separated at birth? Both really hot, btw!

OK - I keep replying to myself, but how about a "tranny twins" photo shoot?

[Tiffany Starr]

OK - I keep replying to myself, but how about a "tranny twins" photo shoot?

I don't think I look a thing like kimberly really but i can try to set up a shoot with her.