CAN ANYONE VARIFY THIS STORY

[flabbybody]

you're right mega, and you know I'm no President Bush fan.

Alec Baldwin, I mean is his f--king life in his multi- million dollar beach front mansion in Southhampton so terrible. Why doesn't he go live in Europe?

The worst punishment they could have given Russell Crow when he beat the crap out of that Soho hotel clerk is to have permanently banned him from the USA. But his attorneys never would have agreed to that. Russell would have rather than time in Rikers.

[Queens Guy]

Mega, it seems it is mostly true.

The exact amount he donated was not revealed to the press.

Here is the link from Snopes.com:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/denzel.asp

[chefmike]

A reality check regarding this story-

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/denzel.asp

Mostly true? And what does this story have to do with people Like Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn who actually give a shit about what the neo-con criminals is are doing to destroy this country? They are taxpaying citizens and have the right to voice their opinions, for now anyway...

[blckhaze]

Mega, mainly cause he didnt ask for it. He did it cause he cared. the guys you mentioned would have called every news camera within the US to show how much they "care". Denzel did it cause he was moved by his spirit, and i applaud him for it.

[chefmike]

I'M A VETERAN, AND I'LL SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT ABOUT THE STATE OF THIS COUNTRY...I JOINED THE NAVY WHEN I WAS 17 YEARS OLD...4 YEARS ON THE FLIGHT DECK....KISS MY ASS!!!

Iraq Veterans Against the War
some veteran's from the neocon war-maybe you need to read it...

http://www.ivaw.net/

PS - I LOATHE MADONNA AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT WHO YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS...

[rick_932]

Mega, mainly cause he didnt ask for it. He did it cause he cared. the guys you mentioned would have called every news camera within the US to show how much they "care". Denzel did it cause he was moved by his spirit, and i applaud him for it.

exactly. it wasnt some publicity stunt for him. he didnt call for any camera crews to film him and he isnt complaining about not being in the news because of this. denzel is the truth

[chefmike]

Mega, apparently the closest that you ever got to military service is through your new GF, congrats...at least you aren't on here cryin about your broken heart...

When it comes to what american citizens think about the war, I don't give a shit about their service record...but since you brought it up...My father (RIP) was a Marine who served in the Korean war, and I'm a veteran as well...here's the history of the chickenhawk COWARDS that started this POINTLESS war that you are glorifying...choke on it...then go watch FOX news...



Military Service Records...

Service in the Armed Forces

Democrats:


Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.

Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.

Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.

Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor,Vietnam.

Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.

John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,Purple Hearts.


Republicans

Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.

Tom Delay: did not serve.

Roy Blunt: did not serve.

Bill Frist: did not serve.

Mitch McConnell: did not serve.

Rick Santorum: did not serve.

Trent Lott: did not serve.

John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.

Jeb Bush: did not serve.

Karl Rove: did not serve.

[WendyWilliams]

Mega how the fuck did your post go from discussing Denzil to ragging on girls who escort or pose nude, WTF get off the cross with that issue,,,,,,,,,,,,I dont give a rats ass if you fuck every ts virgin from here too Brazil and back stop degrading others to make your girlfriend special,,,,,,,,,,,,You could have left the topic with her serving the nation but you had to go off on your anti porn , anti escort rampage.................You are entitled to your opinion however some of your comments didnt support or defend your original post.

I think its great you found someone who is special to you however degrading those of us who CHOOSE to pose nude and or escort doesnt make me any less American than those who CHOOSE to carry a gun and fight...................I applaud her and those who fight for our country and I am certainly NOT Anti AMerican but those who constantly degrade our freedom choices are more ANTI AMERICAN than those who sit on their ass and bitch about it.

Come on now
Wendy

[Felicia Katt]

Mega, the story about Denzel is not entirely true. He did offer financial support, but not in the way the story has been told and retold.
http://www.questioningchristian.com/2005/03/story_mutation_.html

I think its great that Denzel is doing good, in any way, but before you go trashing others, you might want to consider this
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/baldwin%20builds%20a%20home%20in%20new%20orleans
Alec Baldwin spent a week building a house with Habitat for Humanity in New Orleans after the hurricane.
and this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4222364.stm
Sean Penn took his boat personally to the Gulf there to rescue victims of the hurricane.

Its called putting your money where your mouth is. Or talking the talk and walking the walk. You of all people should get that, since that is how you try to lead your life.

FK

[chefmike]

HEY MEGA...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT....

AND ONE LAST THING...FUCK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY...

[Caleigh]

chefmike, thanks for the IVAW link

[fishman33]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4222364.stm
Sean Penn took his boat personally to the Gulf there to rescue victims of the hurricane.
FK

uhg...If he was truly intent on saving as many lives as possible, why did he allow a couple of camermen to ride along in the boat with him? Couldn't a better use for that space have been found? And big deal, Alec Baldwin built one habitat for humanity house. What the fuck else did he have to do? Kevin Garnett personally pledged to build like 20+ homes for victims of Katrina and no one gives a shit about that, so I'm supposed to respect Alec because he sacrificed one of his busy Saturdays? Shit, I spent a couple of weekends driving supply trucks down there, where's my medal?

And don't take that as a personal attack, Miss Katt, I just get really sick of these self important assholes that everybody seems to be in love with.

[fishman33]

Mega, apparently the closest that you ever got to military service is through your new GF, congrats...at least you aren't on here cryin about your broken heart...

When it comes to what american citizens think about the war, I don't give a shit about their service record...but since you brought it up...My father (RIP) was a Marine who served in the Korean war, and I'm a veteran as well...here's the history of the chickenhawk COWARDS that started this POINTLESS war that you are glorifying...choke on it...then go watch FOX news...



Military Service Records...

Service in the Armed Forces

Democrats:


Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.

Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.

Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.

Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor,Vietnam.

Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.

John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,Purple Hearts.


Republicans

Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.

Dennis Hastert: did not serve.

Tom Delay: did not serve.

Roy Blunt: did not serve.

Bill Frist: did not serve.

Mitch McConnell: did not serve.

Rick Santorum: did not serve.

Trent Lott: did not serve.

John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.

Jeb Bush: did not serve.

Karl Rove: did not serve.

C'mon, Chef, That's pretty weak. You can make a list of hundreds on either side and their service(or lack there of) for their country. Too list Gephardt's run in the Air National Guard after so many have blasteds Bush because that's all he did? Then to mention Al Gore's service as 'journalist', when we all know daddy Gore got him some choice spots so he would have military service on his political resume and Daschel was basically an errand boy at SAC. And where's people like McCain and other republicans who went to war? You know I respect your opinions, even though I usually disagree with them, but you have to admit that's a pretty weak stab.

[WendyWilliams]

Mega I still love ya you just get carried away but always man enough to admit it too,,,,,,,,,,,
Wendy

[Felicia Katt]

uhg...If he was truly intent on saving as many lives as possible, why did he allow a couple of camermen to ride along in the boat with him? Couldn't a better use for that space have been found? And big deal, Alec Baldwin built one habitat for humanity house. What the fuck else did he have to do? Kevin Garnett personally pledged to build like 20+ homes for victims of Katrina and no one gives a shit about that, so I'm supposed to respect Alec because he sacrificed one of his busy Saturdays? Shit, I spent a couple of weekends driving supply trucks down there, where's my medal?

And don't take that as a personal attack, Miss Katt, I just get really sick of these self important assholes that everybody seems to be in love with.
I don't take things personally unless they are directed that way. and I am not a big Sean Penn or Alec Baldwin fan, either. But there was a post about Denzel that greatly magnified his generosity and made others out as blowhards, when the truth in all cases was to the contrary.

As far as photographers in the boat, I don't know if he did that or not. If he did, I'd say pulling people's attention to a problem is as valuable as pulling people off their rooftops. And Alec spent a week, not a Saturday, and brought a tool box, not a soapbox. The whole point was that they all did something positive to help and like your own commendable efforts, that should be recognized and not criticized.

FK

[hondarobot]

This would be one of the first times that I would have to disagree to some extent with J, Felicia, and Chef. Wars, on many occasions, have "solved" things. It sucks that that is the case, but in some times through history, the only possibility of maintaining balance and relative order in the world has been to go apeshit and kick the bad guys asses.

I am not refering to what's going on currently in the mid-east. That would be an example of a bad war fought for the wrong reasons, lashing out against irrational fear and forcing an agenda on people. But, that's just my opinion. I suppose history will be the judge. It's also an inescapable truth that a great deal of the worlds population WILL have someone's "agenda" forced upon them to some extent, for good or bad, there doesn't seem to be a workable solution to that yet.

A lust for control, driven by fear of people and concepts unfamiliar or "unacceptable" to a given group controlling power, is the real problem. When those people start getting violent on a large scale, the rest of the world has to hit back. And no, this is not a call for an American Revolution or something, OR a continuation of this "War against 'radical' Islamists". I don't like the current administration, but our system of governence has them somewhat under control and personally I hope things will change in the next election.

Dr. Seuss did a much better job of examining this subject in "The Butter Battle Book", but then again the guy really knew his shit on virtually every subject. I imagine that's why he was a "doctor".

There are always two sides to any debate, this is just my take on things.

[hondarobot]

Pssst. . .I'm conceding things a bit to the conservative side in an attempt to bolster my "tough guy" image. Don't pass it around.

8)

[NYC-TATTOO]

It's "verify"...with an E

Ya'll ain't done learnt your grammers.

[SidChromeAU]

Firstly, I must start by saying that I am not an American, and that I don't want to lecture you guys on your internal politics, nor do I wish to show any disrespect for you as a group.
Having said that, the policies and actions of your country have enormous impact on the rest of the world (the price you pay for appointing yourselves 'world police'), including Australia - my home - thus entitling me to some right to comment. We have a saying here: "If America sneezes, we catch cold" - an indication of how close our ties are.
To the best of my knowledge, Australia was the first of your allies to support your war in Afghanistan, and was/is one of your most steadfast supporters over Iraq. We have personnel in both theatres.
Mega, I think it's important to differentiate between criticism of your government and its war in Iraq (strangely, Afghanistan is barely mentioned here, despite that, too, turning into a quagmire), and the actual troops in theatre. I suspect that many individuals are loathe to subject troops to the type of disgusting behaviour that Vietnam veterans were - the same thing happened here, we were your only Western ally in theatre, and our public turned on our troops in a similar manner. I haven't read any anti-serviceman/woman comments here - in fact, even the anti-war posters have been careful to avoid that. They have opposed the war, not the warriors. What they have done is criticise the adminstration that sent them there, and (IMHO) rightly so. It has become clear that the Iraq War is solely a for-profit venture. Coalition troops went in, effected regime-change, then didn't know what to do. Companies like Haliburton certainly did. Clearly, there was no strategy for managing the nation following the initial action. Why not? Our troops are now facing an insurgency of monumental proportions, yet US commanders (safely in the rear echelon, all the way back in the US) refuse to prosecute the war. The same thing happened in Vietnam. Interestingly, Australian troops were fairly successful in that war, in the main because they used a different strategy - a similar strategy to that which the recently retired commander of the SAS has stated should be applied in Iraq. And no, I'm not saying that we won Vietnam and you lost, just that in our zone of operations our strategy was generally more effective. US doctrine tends to demand the use of overwhelming force, and too much reliance on technology. Unfortunately, people die in war - ask the 2000-odd kids that have died in Iraq (not counting of course, the locals). If they must die, let them die for a purpose. Use them correctly - that correct usage would result in less casualties. Fight small-unit actions, get out in the mud (sand?) and do it right. And stop using Reserves and National Guardsmen (the overwhelming use of force I referred to - flood the zone with bodies, irrespective of their combat effectiveness or level of training. Training saves soldiers lives, yet poorly trained and equipped NG are in the front line? Please!). To me, that is one of the greatest obscenities of the Pentagon's war - using kids as cannon fodder. It appears to me that the current strategy is aimed at consolidating while the energy interests that seem to run your government fully entrench themselves, rather than at winning the war. Could that be because the stated aims and the actual aims are so very different? Again: it's your government, and your business, but it effects me and mine. It's up to you to fix the problem, but I'm entitled to comment on it.
In short: The government that has promulgated this war appears (from here) to be both corrupt and incompetent. They should be held accountable for the situation at hand - for the abuse of the troops in the field, and for the continuing abuse of you American citizens. As it appears that while you are in Iraq, we'll be in Iraq, I feel I have the right to express this opinion.

[hondarobot]

Firstly, I must start by saying that I am not an American, and that I don't want to lecture you guys on your internal politics, nor do I wish to show any disrespect for you as a group.
Having said that, the policies and actions of your country have enormous impact on the rest of the world (the price you pay for appointing yourselves 'world police'), including Australia - my home - thus entitling me to some right to comment. We have a saying here: "If America sneezes, we catch cold" - an indication of how close our ties are.
To the best of my knowledge, Australia was the first of your allies to support your war in Afghanistan, and was/is one of your most steadfast supporters over Iraq. We have personnel in both theatres.
Mega, I think it's important to differentiate between criticism of your government and its war in Iraq (strangely, Afghanistan is barely mentioned here, despite that, too, turning into a quagmire), and the actual troops in theatre. I suspect that many individuals are loathe to subject troops to the type of disgusting behaviour that Vietnam veterans were - the same thing happened here, we were your only Western ally in theatre, and our public turned on our troops in a similar manner. I haven't read any anti-serviceman/woman comments here - in fact, even the anti-war posters have been careful to avoid that. They have opposed the war, not the warriors. What they have done is criticise the adminstration that sent them there, and (IMHO) rightly so. It has become clear that the Iraq War is solely a for-profit venture. Coalition troops went in, effected regime-change, then didn't know what to do. Companies like Haliburton certainly did. Clearly, there was no strategy for managing the nation following the initial action. Why not? Our troops are now facing an insurgency of monumental proportions, yet US commanders (safely in the rear echelon, all the way back in the US) refuse to prosecute the war. The same thing happened in Vietnam. Interestingly, Australian troops were fairly successful in that war, in the main because they used a different strategy - a similar strategy to that which the recently retired commander of the SAS has stated should be applied in Iraq. And no, I'm not saying that we won Vietnam and you lost, just that in our zone of operations our strategy was generally more effective. US doctrine tends to demand the use of overwhelming force, and too much reliance on technology. Unfortunately, people die in war - ask the 2000-odd kids that have died in Iraq (not counting of course, the locals). If they must die, let them die for a purpose. Use them correctly - that correct usage would result in less casualties. Fight small-unit actions, get out in the mud (sand?) and do it right. And stop using Reserves and National Guardsmen (the overwhelming use of force I referred to - flood the zone with bodies, irrespective of their combat effectiveness or level of training. Training saves soldiers lives, yet poorly trained and equipped NG are in the front line? Please!). To me, that is one of the greatest obscenities of the Pentagon's war - using kids as cannon fodder. It appears to me that the current strategy is aimed at consolidating while the energy interests that seem to run your government fully entrench themselves, rather than at winning the war. Could that be because the stated aims and the actual aims are so very different? Again: it's your government, and your business, but it effects me and mine. It's up to you to fix the problem, but I'm entitled to comment on it.
In short: The government that has promulgated this war appears (from here) to be both corrupt and incompetent. They should be held accountable for the situation at hand - for the abuse of the troops in the field, and for the continuing abuse of you American citizens. As it appears that while you are in Iraq, we'll be in Iraq, I feel I have the right to express this opinion.

As a war gamer, although not a soldier (I'd compromise the integrity of the squad by worrying about spiders, lousy food, angry opponents and a number of other things), I agree with everything you said.

But I've got Valentines Day coming up, so I'm puffing my chest out and trying to act tough. If you think the war in Iraq is bad, try walking a mile in my shoes. . .still trying to impress a girl.

Good post, though.

[chefmike]

BY THE WAY SHE IS A TS THAT LOOKS REAL, SHE HAS NEVER POSED NUDE, NEVER ESCORTED AND WAS A VIRGIN WHEN I MET HER.....

LMFAO...like a virgin...wasn't that a madonna song?... WINK, WINK...

[GiaCallMe]

I can't believe it took the third page to point out it is "verify". The first time it could be seen as a mistake but the second one was sad. I just want to say that by putting in bold only cowards scream their arguements, you come off as the coward. Cowards don't scream, they don't do anything.

[Felicia Katt]

War is nothing but a continuation of politics by other means.
Karl von Clausewitz

The politics in this case are not democractic. If it were put to a ballot, the war would be over tomorrow. But to this administration, its more that politics is for the contination of war by any means. They have demonstrated a willingness to wage the war here at home in order to keep waging it over there. They attack people for expressing dissent, they label people as traitors just for voicing concerns. They wouldn't have to do that if the cause were just. Every war has casualties, but in a war waged badly and for the wrong reason, lets hope they don't include the democratic ideals we hoped to share.

FK

[johnb]

felicia, you can be my secretary of state anytime, and not just because your legs look great in a skirt and heels...because, believe me, nobodys legs look geater in a skirt and heels...but because you've got great perception and intellect, and i mean that. And whether you know it or not, your, and our country needs people like you. thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions

[GroobySteven]

With all due respect to Denzel, isn't the real issue - why would he have to pay for something that the military should be providing?
These people have a choice whether to signup to a job in the military or to not do it. Let's not forget that they're taking it for the paycheck and the benefits as much as a fireman or a teacher may make their choice to follow their career paths. However, you would expect that on returning - especially injured they'd get as much assistance and the military should have provided the house that Denzel offered to build.
Did you see the news story about the injured kid who was charged $650 for his body armour which he left in Iraq as it had been partly destroyed by gunfire? It's bullshit that he should even get charged - but the real issue is, the military only spend $650 on body armour? People have tshirts that cost more than that!

...and for the stupid comments "if you critisize this country then leave" - this the only country in the West that I know of with this attitude, in other countries it's acceptable to argue against the government and it's actions without being "un-patriotic". It's a stupid con that the goverment and rightwing have talked un-educated, ill-informed, conformists into thinking.
seanchai