What would be your advice or ideas

[MrsKellyPierce]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?

[TSPornFan]

My number one piece of advice is for TS girls to work for more companies. Too many top girls like Kimber James, Bailey Jay, and Victoria Di Prada only work for certain companies. This isn't good for the overall TS business. Too many Ts girls in general work for certain people, and may not have any issues with companies that they have not worked with.

A lot of girls lack exposure because of this silly issue. Companies are also to blame.

More hardcore content is needed. If you're not doing hardcore then NO one cares about you. Look at Bailey Jay. Sure she is still getting awards but not too many people talk about her anymore. People are focused in on hardcore girls such as Eva Lin, Amy Daily, Britney St Jordan, Sarina Valentina, etc. Vanitty and Kimber James are still popular because they still do hardcore scenes.

There needs to be less solo content made by companies and let those funds be used for hardcore content. The top porno sites don't waste their time with solo content. It's not what viewers want to see. They want to see girls get fucked. It is ridiculous that the TS porn business still is so behind on this simple concept.

[mac.B]

What would be the purpose?

[MrsKellyPierce]

What would be the purpose?
For men who are attracted to ts to feel more comfortable..a lot of the reason everyone is so ashamed is because we are so taboo

I was speaking mainstream in general Franklin :) but porn too

Thanks for your honest answer.

[RallyCola]

oh...when i read this question...i wasn't thinking mainstream porn...i was thinking mainstream america.

[Merkurie]

Stay in school.
Advocate for earlier opportunities to transition at younger ages.
Go into the theater, modeling (non - porn), performance art, music...
Mentor younger girls.

Come out,Act up and be annoying like the Gays were.

[muh_muh]

i feel like theres two ways to deal with it
either you go out all the way in a push to mainstream and deal with being kinda sorta mainstream while essentially being a freak show for a (quite) while
or the other way would be to just wait for the world to grow up

that said its pretty much to be expected that a group of people that makes up maybe 2% (figure pulled straight from my nether regions but the point is its a very small group) of the whole population will never be mainstream (which is different and distinct from being normal and accepted)

[LibertyHarkness]

Franklin she is talking about proper mainstream not porn.


Mainstream you mean kelly by that conventional tv shows, acting, music, non porn photoshoots ... hmmmm tough one thati guess really a TS would need to good agent that has some balls to promote them for roles .

[AlwaysAda]

A reality show.. with ts girls doing other things besides porn.... or a tranny jersey shore..

[Tika]

I think probably being proud of who we are would be a good first step. Not lying or hiding, doing shitty shady things to get ahead in the world. Standing up for ourselves when it comes to discrimination by any means necessary. Using the legal system when necessary, but just being out and proud for the most part. That means acknowledging that you're a transwoman to people and owning it.

We need family support. We need to just get out there and be accepted. I've worked alongside people who had no idea I was transgender until someone decided to be a prick and tell them. Guess what? Didn't matter to them because they got to know me as a person and not some Maury Povich freakshow tranny. The friends and enemies I make are because of my personality, not what's between my legs. That's how it should be.

I find it ironic that Kelly of all people is bringing something like this up. Kelly who has a video on Youtube about how she's an "activist", not mentioning anything about her porn career, her escort career, all the lowlife shit she does that objectifies and degrades other transwomen. Funny how the comments are locked on that video, Kelly. Is it because you know you're full of shit and don't want people who know the truth to comment on it? I wonder.

Kelly, one of the most fake and plastic people out there, wanting others to become more mainstream. What a joke. Tell you what, Kelly. You keep up the "good work" degrading yourself. Keep up getting your face carved and chopped and plastic injected so you look even more expressionless and mannequinlike. Keep on whoring and making porn. Keep mentioning your husband every single chance you get, like it makes you legit. But keep out of activism. You're not good enough. You're a shemale, not a transwoman. You don't speak for the rest of us. Speak for yourself and mind your own goddamn business, until you can learn to stop lying to the rest of the world and yourself about who you are.

I'm so sick of you being an attention whore. You're just another self-promoting asshole desperate for attention and legitimacy, pretending to be something they're not.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think probably being proud of who we are would be a good first step. Not lying or hiding, doing shitty shady things to get ahead in the world. Standing up for ourselves when it comes to discrimination by any means necessary. Using the legal system when necessary, but just being out and proud for the most part. That means acknowledging that you're a transwoman to people and owning it.

We need family support. We need to just get out there and be accepted. I've worked alongside people who had no idea I was transgender until someone decided to be a prick and tell them. Guess what? Didn't matter to them because they got to know me as a person and not some Maury Povich freakshow tranny. The friends and enemies I make are because of my personality, not what's between my legs. That's how it should be.

I find it ironic that Kelly of all people is bringing something like this up. Kelly who has a video on Youtube about how she's an "activist", not mentioning anything about her porn career, her escort career, all the lowlife shit she does that objectifies and degrades other transwomen. Funny how the comments are locked on that video, Kelly. Is it because you know you're full of shit and don't want people who know the truth to comment on it? I wonder.

Kelly, one of the most fake and plastic people out there, wanting others to become more mainstream. What a joke. Tell you what, Kelly. You keep up the "good work" degrading yourself. Keep up getting your face carved and chopped and plastic injected so you look even more expressionless and mannequinlike. Keep on whoring and making porn. Keep mentioning your husband every single chance you get, like it makes you legit. But keep out of activism. You're not good enough. You're a shemale, not a transwoman. You don't speak for the rest of us. Speak for yourself and mind your own goddamn business, until you can learn to stop lying to the rest of the world and yourself about who you are.

I'm so sick of you being an attention whore. You're just another self-promoting asshole desperate for attention and legitimacy, pretending to be something they're not.
Tika I don't escort? I have never been on Eros etc! You are crazy...keep making up stuff..and hiding behind a name...V..yes I know very well who you are.

It's sad you have to resort to so much hate and judgement. You should really seek counseling, for low self-esteem. Does it make you feel better degrading girls? Well if it does, good doll. Need something to uplift your horrible persona! You degrade girl after girl on here. Grow up already.

Not good enough? My blog was nominated for an LGBT award. I don't find porn to be degrading in the least! I choose my career, I choose my partners, I choose how I do my scenes, and when I do them. No one is forcing me to do anything. I am in control. If you think porn is degrading, then why doll are you on a porn forum? You make no sense.

I have done activism for years. Real ativism, not sitting on a board claiming it! I actually served on a pride board, spoke out at colleges, spoke out to my high school to be allowed in as a girl, and so much more. What have you done? Besides sit on a board to complain and diss girls who are plastic and in porn?

You have never seen me in person? You have never met me? You know crap about me? Yet you go on about me. Glad to see I have a fan. FYI I DON'T ESCORT! So stop making shit up in your crazy ass head of yours!

And use your voice and thoughts in a productive way. It may give you less time to hate on others! Use your hate on the ones that keep us down! Like Republicans, conservatives, and ignorant people. Use your voice for something other than a bitter soap box.

I don't pretend anything! I am a 100 % honest about my life. You on the other hand like to make up a bunch of crap! I am a very happily married woman, who tries to uplift my community with my words. I don't degrade girls like you do. I don't sit in judgement of girls either with whatever choice they make. I don't have time.

Go spend time with your family or friends. Surround yourself with love! Not everyone in porn escorts V. You just assume that. You assume a lot, when you know nothing.

I have a happy steady home, with my husband and step-daughter. Whose family accept me for me. I have no time for lies and all that bull crap. I'm the real deal doll. I don't play make-believe.

Read my blog www.secretkelly.com it may help you with your self esteem issues.

[robertlouis]

Like every significant social change it starts with education.

If children were taught from an early age to be totally accepting of the full spectrum of sexual identity there would be less prejudice and fear and a climate of acceptance. While there's plenty of evidence that attitudes That is, however, a distant dream, especially when you have almost the entire set of GOP muppets competing to be the most hostile towards any sort of alternative lifestyle or sexuality. Even in the UK the tabloids would yell and scream if anything like that were to be taught in schools here.

There's plenty of positive evidence to show that attitudes are gradually softening with a combination of enlightened legislation and the work of LGBT campaigners. Unfortunately, the "T" remains the poor relation.

It will take decades.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Franklin she is talking about proper mainstream not porn.


Mainstream you mean kelly by that conventional tv shows, acting, music, non porn photoshoots ... hmmmm tough one thati guess really a TS would need to good agent that has some balls to promote them for roles .
Well mainstream Hollywood or mainstream porn

Either way girl :)

[robertlouis]

A reality show.. with ts girls doing other things besides porn.... or a tranny jersey shore..

We just had an excellent series here in the UK, Ada, which didn't sensationalise and kept things low key. It was genuinely inspirational.

http://http://www.channel4.com/programmes/my-transsexual-summer

[SpoogeMonkey]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?

DIfficult

Heres some truthful stuff, and my disclaimer beforehand is that I'd go out with you in a shot. You are gorgeous and sexy and up for fun. You may not like this.. but hey ho.. I'll never meet you so I will hide behind my keyboard.

You are attractive, but theres a load of better looking girls out there. You are in the top echelon of attractive transgendered mtf persons, but I could point out better looking women by walking into a small town. Only your personality or talent will lift you up above a normally attractive genetic woman but you will always be Kelly the tranny.

Sadly, any shemale, or transgendered (or at least the vast majority) that has had hormones post puberty is going to have to re sculpt herself and will always look 'a bit off' in comparison to a genetic girl. I feel sorry for you that you didnt go through that and for that reason, you will stand out as transgendered and will have to play 'freak of the week' for a highly unforgiving society. Men will always want to know and it will be generations before we will be in a situation where guys will treat it as an early medical condition that they can surpass.

When shemales can bear children will be the day when the stigma of transgenderism will not be an issue, just a small medical correction early on that nobody will care about.

Heres a reasonable reaction. This guy mirrors what I say in my head when I look at your manufactured beauty... i just cannot fathom where you were ever a guy. But this guy isnt leaping around screaming, hes trying to come to terms with it. Its a sweet reaction but its honest.
Reaction 2 The Real Sidney Star ( he or she ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbx--5VljwQ&feature=related)

in conclusion. Your only chance of mainstream is to either fuck a celeb, do UK big brother and have 15 mins of infamy or get a part in an ultra cool movie. Otherwise, I just cannot see it. And I hope to fuck I am wrong. Although maybe one of the reasons I beat off to your videos is that your position in society is still taboo amongst the mainstream that makes you sexy.

Maybe.. just maybe you dont need mainstream.

Best wishes Kelly.. I honestly think you are a true hotty.

[Merkurie]

Kids have to feel safe to come out about their gender issues and the medical community must be ready and willing to help them with treatment and counseling.

Transgenderism is probably more common than we think. But forcing people to wait untill they are in their late teens and twenties to get hormones and treatment is a big part of the problem people have with fitting in the mainstream.

[gmercer]

I think it would take a US version of Kim Petras, but she would have to be an even bigger star, and not seen as a niche act. So it would have to be a young transgendered mtf, who is extremely cute and passable, has a good to great singing voice, with a good production company behind her. Get a couple of hit songs on the charts, and parlay that into an acting career, and remain a big star for years.

She would have to be seen as a wholesome girl next door, who just happened to be born male, and not as the usual stereotype that most people have about about transgendered people. She would have to be almost like the Jackie Robinson of the transgendered community. Someone who is exceptional and maintains a clean and respected public image. With a large young fan base she could start changing the perception among the next generation, while her clean image would reduce the likelihood of parents and older people protesting.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think it would take a US version of Kim Petras, but she would have to be an even bigger star, and not seen as a niche act. So it would have to be a young transgendered mtf, who is extremely cute and passable, has a good to great singing voice, with a good production company behind her. Get a couple of hit songs on the charts, and parlay that into an acting career, and remain a big star for years.

She would have to be seen as a wholesome girl next door, who just happened to be born male, and not as the usual stereotype that most people have about about transgendered people. She would have to be almost like the Jackie Robinson of the transgendered community. Someone who is exceptional and maintains a clean and respected public image. With a large young fan base she could start changing the perception among the next generation, while her clean image would reduce the likelihood of parents and older people protesting. I like what you said about Kim Petras..she would be a very good candidate. I have heard she is crossing over to America. At least that's what she told me :) I speak to her - here and there.

[giovanni_hotel]

If someone almost famous came out to the public about his own relationship with a tran-woman, it would be a step in the right direction.

I think the more GG friends a TG has, the easier it will be for the general public to get past the idea that TGs are men in an extreme state of CD.

There's still a long way to go though since most folks still use 'transvestite' and 'transsexual' interchangeably.

Shows like 'Ellen' and Rosie O'Donnell's talk show IMO helped to create more public acceptance for gays/lesbians, reinforcing their 'normalness' irrespective of their sexual preference.

A tranny Oprah would be a home run. ;)

Roughly how many TGs are there in the United States anyway??

[MrsKellyPierce]

DIfficult

Heres some truthful stuff, and my disclaimer beforehand is that I'd go out with you in a shot. You are gorgeous and sexy and up for fun. You may not like this.. but hey ho.. I'll never meet you so I will hide behind my keyboard.

You are attractive, but theres a load of better looking girls out there. You are in the top echelon of attractive transgendered mtf persons, but I could point out better looking women by walking into a small town. Only your personality or talent will lift you up above a normally attractive genetic woman but you will always be Kelly the tranny.

Sadly, any shemale, or transgendered (or at least the vast majority) that has had hormones post puberty is going to have to re sculpt herself and will always look 'a bit off' in comparison to a genetic girl. I feel sorry for you that you didnt go through that and for that reason, you will stand out as transgendered and will have to play 'freak of the week' for a highly unforgiving society. Men will always want to know and it will be generations before we will be in a situation where guys will treat it as an early medical condition that they can surpass.

When shemales can bear children will be the day when the stigma of transgenderism will not be an issue, just a small medical correction early on that nobody will care about.

Heres a reasonable reaction. This guy mirrors what I say in my head when I look at your manufactured beauty... i just cannot fathom where you were ever a guy. But this guy isnt leaping around screaming, hes trying to come to terms with it. Its a sweet reaction but its honest.
Reaction 2 The Real Sidney Star ( he or she ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbx--5VljwQ&feature=related)

in conclusion. Your only chance of mainstream is to either fuck a celeb, do UK big brother and have 15 mins of infamy or get a part in an ultra cool movie. Otherwise, I just cannot see it. And I hope to fuck I am wrong. Although maybe one of the reasons I beat off to your videos is that your position in society is still taboo amongst the mainstream that makes you sexy.

Maybe.. just maybe you dont need mainstream.

Best wishes Kelly.. I honestly think you are a true hotty.
I wasn't including myself in this - I was speaking in general.

But thank you for the compliment - I think lol

[giovanni_hotel]

If Spooge was giving a compliment, he needs to apologize.lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

If Spooge was giving a compliment, he needs to apologize.lol
No, apology needed.. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

If Spooge was giving a compliment, he needs to apologize.lol
Do you mean like if Justin Beiber transitioned?

[giovanni_hotel]

I mean half of what he said read like a slap in the face.

You look good period. Not just for a TG.
But hey whatever.

I hate it when people imply a GG is attractive regardless because she has a pussy.

[BellaBellucci]

I'm trying to keep my ideas to myself these these days since they tend to get stolen and/or perverted by my so-called 'sisters' or people in their periphery.

But this thread?! Lulzimus Maximus!

Muttley laugh - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE)

~BB~

[firejimmiller]

What percentage of TS are sex workers? That may have something to do with the taboo and mainstream non-acceptance. There are plenty (vast majority of gg) who aren't porn stars or escorts. In order for there to be more non-sex TS, first there would have to be a lot more of them period. I'm not talking about the ugly 40 yo cd on craigslist and there aren't many Kellys around for curious guys to date. Therefore, we pay the few good looking TS for sex or porn and create a market difficult for them to turn down for a regular full-time $40k/yr job.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I mean half of what he said read like a slap in the face.

You look good period. Not just for a TG.
But hey whatever.

I hate it when people imply a GG is attractive regardless because she has a pussy.
Thanks Giovanni - yeah I find that hilarious too..

[dezz]

I've had plenty of "discussions" with people who honestly believe that anything to do with the LGBT community comes down to personal choice, and question how I could possibly believe that people are born with their sexuality (#gaga lol). But it really does have to start with educating people in general about human sexuality as a whole, and not relying on their church for science lessons

[onmyknees]

At first when reading your post, I thought you meant mainstream life.....then you said both porn and mainstream, so that in and of itself seems confusing, so I'm going on the assumption you mean main stream America, because as we've been told by more than a few ladies on here.....even "Mainstream " porn stars consider you all a niche. That's not me...that's them. Franklin's comments notwithstanding, I don't know enough about the porn culture to have an opinion, and why would it matter to me as a consumer anyway? There is a TS section in every adult vid store I've ever been in, and there are plenty of sites to quench the thirst of anyone who likes beautiful ladies with a little something extra. The point is....if you want TS porn...you can get it. That's not to say you shouldn't recieve the same compensation as mainstream stars, but I have no control over that because I'm paying the same price at the counter !

With respect to becoming more mainstream in the common culture, I don't have a good answer for that. I think almost anyone from 18-80 knows who Ru Paul is and what his deal is, or has been to a Vegas show with female impersonators, but my guess that number drops dramatically to a small percentage when it comes to understanding who and what Transsexuals truly are, and I see that taking years to change. Large scale social change takes years, decades in fact. I guess I would ask how can you seek acceptance from the mainstream culture when you all can't even get along with each other on a forum dedicated to you, and your admirers? I mean I'm being honest here...The only thing I could or would ever recommend to anyone is to live their lives as who they are, and to seek happiness... and to have patience and understanding for those who are ignorant of that lifestyle, or who just simply don't understand. People don't want to be told they have to accept what you are......they have to come to terms with that on their own, and they will if you understand that they don't understand. It's fine to be militant, but that ain't changing any hearts or minds. There will always be a small percentage of haters, but that goes for everything from ethnicity to sexual preference. That may be more of a burden on you than what's fair, but that's life. I think shows like Ellen are nice, but let's face it....most folks are not watching Ellen. It would be nice if everyone's initial contact with a Trans Women was like a discussion on an Ellen or Oprah show, as opposed to that freak show shit fest Maury or Springer, but that's unrealistic. When more Trans Women work their way into the mainstream workforce, entertainment world, and the business environment the world can start to be changed one person at a time. Just my 2 cents as someone who spends the majority of his time in the "mainstream".

[BellaBellucci]

It would be nice if everyone's initial contact with a Trans Women was like a discussion on an Ellen or Oprah show, as opposed to that freak show shit fest Maury or Springer, but that's unrealistic.

Wow. How supportive. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

Wow. How supportive. :rolleyes:

~BB~

Grow up. The question was how to be more accepted...if you're sitting in a chair on the Springer show, with a bunch of screaming audience members it's more like a fucking circus rather than a discussion, but hey don't take my word for it....when that Springer invitation comes Bella...jump on it. I'm sure you'll do just fine...no one will be able to hear you over the chaos, but at least you'll be seen, and isn't that what it's about?

[BellaBellucci]

Grow up. The question was how to be more accepted...if you're sitting in a chair on the Springer show, with a bunch of screaming audience members it's more like a fucking circus rather than a discussion, but hey don't take my word for it....when that Springer invitation comes Bella...jump on it. I'm sure you'll do just fine...no one will be able to hear you over the chaos, but at least you'll be seen, and isn't that what it's about?

You really love to argue with me, don't you? I agree with you, dimwit! I just feel that saying that there's nothing anybody can do about it is defeatist.

And I've actually been asked onto Springer and Wilkos, and I made my objection to their shows quite clear in the way that only I can. Trust.

Grow up, indeed.

~BB~

[onmyknees]

You really love to argue with me, don't you? I agree with you, dimwit! I just feel that saying that there's nothing anybody can do about it is defeatist.

And I've actually been asked onto Springer and Wilkos, and I made my objection to their shows quite clear in the way that only I can. Trust.

Grow up, indeed.

~BB~


yes...I like to argue with you, but not unnecessarily.....( and I know you can handle it) But I do agree with you just as much ( I'm keeping score, btw) but I've yet to be able to decipher some of the sarcasm , that may be more about the draw backs of the one dimensional written word, than any shortcoming I might have with interpretation of intent.... Wouldn't you agree? :dancing:

[Vic]

I’ve often heard that transgendered female performers have talked about producing their own videos, but I'm not sure if many do? I would assume that the production companies make the money for the most part? Long story short, money talks, and bullshit walks. With money comes power, and the political aspects of the country kicks in. In other words, lobbying a politician with an election purpose will get your issue put out there. As fucked up as it sounds, that is the way this country works! Money for the political leaders, a strong following for the cause, and media attention will get the job done; I'm sure that you've all seen this, time and time again. We are in an election year, and it's not too late to put it out there; Hell, same sex marriage has been out there for years now!

More power to you,

Vic

[BellaBellucci]

yes...I like to argue with you, but not unnecessarily.....( and I know you can handle it) But I do agree with you just as much ( I'm keeping score, btw) but I've yet to be able to decipher some of the sarcasm , that may be more about the draw backs of the one dimensional written word, than any shortcoming I might have with interpretation of intent.... Wouldn't you agree? :dancing:

Nope. I don't agree at all when it comes to me. I'm too sarcastic in general for anyone to ever assume that I'm not being so. :lol:

~BB~

[Tika]

Tika I don't escort? I have never been on Eros etc! You are crazy...keep making up stuff..and hiding behind a name...V..yes I know very well who you are.

It's sad you have to resort to so much hate and judgement. You should really seek counseling, for low self-esteem. Does it make you feel better degrading girls? Well if it does, good doll. Need something to uplift your horrible persona! You degrade girl after girl on here. Grow up already.

Not good enough? My blog was nominated for an LGBT award. I don't find porn to be degrading in the least! I choose my career, I choose my partners, I choose how I do my scenes, and when I do them. No one is forcing me to do anything. I am in control. If you think porn is degrading, then why doll are you on a porn forum? You make no sense.

I have done activism for years. Real ativism, not sitting on a board claiming it! I actually served on a pride board, spoke out at colleges, spoke out to my high school to be allowed in as a girl, and so much more. What have you done? Besides sit on a board to complain and diss girls who are plastic and in porn?

You have never seen me in person? You have never met me? You know crap about me? Yet you go on about me. Glad to see I have a fan. FYI I DON'T ESCORT! So stop making shit up in your crazy ass head of yours!

And use your voice and thoughts in a productive way. It may give you less time to hate on others! Use your hate on the ones that keep us down! Like Republicans, conservatives, and ignorant people. Use your voice for something other than a bitter soap box.

I don't pretend anything! I am a 100 % honest about my life. You on the other hand like to make up a bunch of crap! I am a very happily married woman, who tries to uplift my community with my words. I don't degrade girls like you do. I don't sit in judgement of girls either with whatever choice they make. I don't have time.

Go spend time with your family or friends. Surround yourself with love! Not everyone in porn escorts V. You just assume that. You assume a lot, when you know nothing.

I have a happy steady home, with my husband and step-daughter. Whose family accept me for me. I have no time for lies and all that bull crap. I'm the real deal doll. I don't play make-believe.

Read my blog www.secretkelly.com (http://www.secretkelly.com) it may help you with your self esteem issues.

It's amazing to see how you've cloaked yourself self-deception and narcissism. Those pathetic "I know you are but what am I" grade-school tactics won't work - I don't have self-esteem issues. I'm not the one that's paid tens of thousands over the years to get cut on by doctor after doctor, you are.

The shocking thing is you're proud of who you are, pretending to be some sort of icon or role model. It's sickening. You and others like you marginalize transsexuals by being visible in porn. Claiming you're in control of your "career" is laughable. At the end of the day, you're in a room with a stranger, having sex on camera. Show that at a high school or college. Play that for your stepdaughter's family at Thanksgiving.

I haven't claimed to be any kind of activist. I live my life and represent myself as who I am. No plastic, no lies, no sneaking around, not riding on anyone's coattails to legitimize myself. That's all any of us should be doing. Working real jobs. Living real lives.

You've been running your mouth for a long time and people have long memories. People remember you from Yahoo chat ten or more years ago, chica. They remember your job, bleaching stripper's buttholes in Florida. They remember how you screwed your roommate on the apartment lease when you packed up and ran back to Iowa. It's not just me, there's plenty of other people that were there back in the day and are still around now who know all sorts of things.

Little white trash Kelly Shore. You can play smoke and mirrors all you want, try and deflect the truth, try and turn things back on people, try run all the little games you want. But goddamned if I'll sit here and listen to you talk like you're some sort of wise woman and how you want to make the world a better place when you're part of the problem.

P.S. I'm here on a "porn board" for the incisive political commentary and Freddy's mesmerizing insights on life. Or maybe it's to keep uppity bitches like you honest. The past never goes away, never forget that.

[robertlouis]

What percentage of TS are sex workers? That may have something to do with the taboo and mainstream non-acceptance. There are plenty (vast majority of gg) who aren't porn stars or escorts. In order for there to be more non-sex TS, first there would have to be a lot more of them period. I'm not talking about the ugly 40 yo cd on craigslist and there aren't many Kellys around for curious guys to date. Therefore, we pay the few good looking TS for sex or porn and create a market difficult for them to turn down for a regular full-time $40k/yr job.

I am good friends with quite a number of transitioned women here in the UK who never have and never would entertain the idea of becoming a sex worker or working in porn. They've gone through the trauma and fear and come out the other end with self-esteem and confident in themselves.

I suspect that the same is true for most ts women. To suggest that they're all in porn because that's all there is is just preposterous. Most of them get on with living ordinary lives, working in offices etc.

[SammiValentine]

lets all go on jerry springer /Jeremy kyle' esque shows more often. get trisha to make a comeback. this could be the start of something magnificent. I am starting to masturbate.. right now

[robertlouis]

lets all go on jerry springer /Jeremy kyle' esque shows more often. get trisha to make a comeback. this could be the start of something magnificent. I am starting to masturbate.. right now

Oh yes, Trisha - the show that confirmed all the nasty rumours and jokes about people from Norfolk. Made Jeremy Kyle look like Newsnight lol.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Girl! It's pathetic you are going on about fabrications when I was 18 and 19. I am 29 going to be 30. I was a beautician/makeup artist/and yes I bleached asses for money? Big deal? I mean seriously you are pathetic. Let's do the math that was 11 or 12 years ago. Let shit go you crazy, story -telling. , , bitter, person

And I left Florida for my safety dumb dumb! I was an activist and very outspoken an I was getting threatening calls and the police didn't want to do anything! God how you make up shit or how a chatroom makes up shit!

I'm still friends with Jennifer Edwards ask her Viridian and stop listening to crazy jealous people!
It's amazing to see how you've cloaked yourself self-deception and narcissism. Those pathetic "I know you are but what am I" grade-school tactics won't work - I don't have self-esteem issues. I'm not the one that's paid tens of thousands over the years to get cut on by doctor after doctor, you are.
The shocking thing is you're proud of who you are, pretending to be some sort of icon or role model. It's sickening. You and others like you marginalize transsexuals by being visible in porn. Claiming you're in control of your "career" is laughable. At the end of the day, you're in a room with a stranger, having sex on camera. Show that at a high school or college. Play that for your stepdaughter's family at Thanksgiving.

I haven't claimed to be any kind of activist. I live my life and represent myself as who I am. No plastic, no lies, no sneaking around, not riding on anyone's coattails to legitimize myself. That's all any of us should be doing. Working real jobs. Living real lives.

You've been running your mouth for a long time and people have long memories. People remember you from Yahoo chat ten or more years ago, chica. They remember your job, bleaching stripper's buttholes in Florida. They remember how you screwed your roommate on the apartment lease when you packed up and ran back to Iowa. It's not just me, there's plenty of other people that were there back in the day and are still around now who know all sorts of things.

Little white trash Kelly Shore. You can play smoke and mirrors all you want, try and deflect the truth, try and turn things back on people, try run all the little games you want. But goddamned if I'll sit here and listen to you talk like you're some sort of wise woman and how you want to make the world a better place when you're part of the problem.

P.S. I'm here on a "porn board" for the incisive political commentary and Freddy's mesmerizing insights on life. Or maybe it's to keep uppity bitches like you honest. The past never goes away, never forget that.

[KarinaGiselle]

What percentage of TS are sex workers? That may have something to do with the taboo and mainstream non-acceptance. There are plenty (vast majority of gg) who aren't porn stars or escorts. In order for there to be more non-sex TS, first there would have to be a lot more of them period. I'm not talking about the ugly 40 yo cd on craigslist and there aren't many Kellys around for curious guys to date. Therefore, we pay the few good looking TS for sex or porn and create a market difficult for them to turn down for a regular full-time $40k/yr job.

The problem is that many TS women have to go to sex work because of the social isolation/rejection we suffer. It's a vicious circle. We're not accepted, no one wants to hire us or let us into schools to have quality education and skills (although this one has changed a lot lately), so we have to do sex work, and because of that last part, the majority of people look down upon us.

Many things have to change, some that come to my mind are:

* We need REAL non-biased sexual education so the future generations stop seeing sex as a taboo and accept their sexuality, and see what the real world has regarding this very important aspect of life. This means discussing many things, not just safe sex and sexual diversity (LGBT community). A lot of people still see sex as something forbidden, and this is a big part of our rejection problem.
* We need specific laws that give us protection against discrimination in workplaces, schools and whatnot, and an effective legal system that can actually protect us and treat us as human beings.
* We need more activists who are willing to be more assertive and keep up the fight.

At the end of the day, the LGBT community (even is they separate) are fighting for pretty much the same things in overall, that's why we need to stick together, 'cause sepearated we're very few.

Some shows like Degrassi (the new one) have displayed transgender characters. The Gay community is still fighting, but they're becoming more accepted nowadays than 20 years ago. It's a matter of time and of course, of keeping up the fight.

[BellaBellucci]

At the end of the day, the LGBT community (even is they separate) are fighting for pretty much the same things in overall, that's why we need to stick together, 'cause sepearated we're very few.

Sorry. I have to disagree. Some parts of the LGBT community are separated for very good reason, and it's because we are not all fighting for the same thing. My right to have my insurance company cover SRS is in absolutely NO way related to, say, RuPaul leading a march to let drag queens who have not been diagnosed with a medical condition such as GID from using the ladies' room.

Sure, there's strength in numbers, but transsexuals have different needs than others under the so-called 'trans-umbrella.'

~BB~

[onmyknees]

Sorry. I have to disagree. Some parts of the LGBT community are separated for very good reason, and it's because we are not all fighting for the same thing. My right to have my insurance company cover SRS is in absolutely NO way related to, say, RuPaul leading a march to let drag queens who have not been diagnosed with a medical condition such as GID from using the ladies' room.

Sure, there's strength in numbers, but transsexuals have different needs than others under the so-called 'trans-umbrella.'

~BB~


I agree with this. I understand why the LGBT "community" uses that phraseology because there is more strength in numbers, but there are many issues unique to each group. Since I'm neither, I just can't understand what the Transsexual community has in common with the gay community other than acceptance and equality, which is not exclusive to gender or sexuality groups, but race, religion, and ethnicity as well.

[yodajazz]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?


For men who are attracted to ts to feel more comfortable..a lot of the reason everyone is so ashamed is because we are so taboo

I was speaking mainstream in general Franklin :) but porn too

Thanks for your honest answer.

I have long said, the key is to put in a short plot, or story that would interest people, beyond pure sex. So if you had a 10 min sex scene, there would be a 10 minute plot, before the sex. Some people could related to certain characters, or say, "what would you do, in that situation". An especially good tool is comedy. I realize that it would be a lot more expensive, and also certain sex performers may not be able to act. But the potential is much great. If the plot part was stong enough, it could maybe be broacast on an adult cable channel, and maybe get some curious enough to find the full thing. Another technique would be be put in plot twists, so the viewer, not there primarily for ts sex, would want to see the end, also.

[yodajazz]

I agree with this. I understand why the LGBT "community" uses that phraseology because there is more strength in numbers, but there are many issues unique to each group. Since I'm neither, I just can't understand what the Transsexual community has in common with the gay community other than acceptance and equality, which is not exclusive to gender or sexuality groups, but race, religion, and ethnicity as well.

The Trans community should be for the rights of everyone, who is not out to cause harm to others. Dividing ones enemies is an ancient battle practice. Those that would cast negative energy, are happy to see us fighting one another, instead of them. Our issues, are still part of the overall rights of everyone, as an equal righted person, and are thus are important.

[BellaBellucci]

Our issues, are still part of the overall rights of everyone, as an equal righted person, and are thus are important.

For what 'rights' are crossdressers fighting exactly? They already have the right to wear womens' clothes in public. What else could they need or want that doesn't trivialize the struggles of transsexuals fighting for respect and opportunity? Is this really about bathroom bills?

Sure, CDs need love too, but they surely don't need any more 'rights' because at the end of the day they still have male privilege.

~BB~

[yodajazz]

For what 'rights' are crossdressers fighting exactly? They already have the right to wear womens' clothes in public. What else could they need or want that doesn't trivialize the struggles of transsexuals fighting for respect and opportunity? Is this really about bathroom bills?

Sure, CDs need love too, but they surely don't need any more 'rights' because at the end of the day they still have male privilege.

~BB~

They may not make it to the end of the day, because there are people that would hurt someone because they crossdress. It was illegal for anyone to crossdress, in the sixties. Name one male, open crossdresser, that is in a position of influence. The only exception is entertainment, mostly for laughs. So where is this Fortune 500, manager, who say they like to dress up and go out on weekends. Not any Hollywood types, except it was for a role. I dont see any pop music stars either. I say this is because being a crossdresser mostly means the loss of male priviledge. Being able to hide is a different benefit. Transgenders can also hide their past gender changes. But what benefits the society the most? People that work towards greater acceptance, especially those that serve as an example.

[BellaBellucci]

They may not make it to the end of the day, because there are people that would hurt someone because they crossdress. It was illegal for anyone to crossdress, in the sixties. Name one male, open crossdresser, that is in a position of influence. The only exception is entertainment, mostly for laughs. So where is this Fortune 500, manager, who say they like to dress up and go out on weekends. Not any Hollywood types, except it was for a role. I dont see any pop music stars either. I say this is because being a crossdresser mostly means the loss of male priviledge. Being able to hide is a different benefit. Transgenders can also hide their past gender changes. But what benefits the society the most? People that work towards greater acceptance, especially those that serve as an example.

The issues to which you refer are social in nature, not legal, so this doesn't really answer my question. The government should not be legislating morality and acceptance, only tolerance.

~BB~

[Jamie French]

How do you go mainstream? Be really, really good at something that has nothing to do with gender or sexual identity and then be extremely tenacious about it. Just like anyone else who has gone mainstream. I'm assuming you're talking about being an entertainer of some sort... I couldn't begin to imagine what it is to be a mainstream lawyer or a mainstream sanitation worker, etc. Those are just things you do or don't do - it's as simple as going outside and doing those things. Also for those of you worried about being visited upon by violence or ridicule... ya'll know they sell guns and knives for those special little occasions. I was never a victim and I'll never understand that mentality... just man up and be a goddam women for crimeny sake!

[KittyPride]

Kids have to feel safe to come out about their gender issues and the medical community must be ready and willing to help them with treatment and counseling.

Transgenderism is probably more common than we think. But forcing people to wait untill they are in their late teens and twenties to get hormones and treatment is a big part of the problem people have with fitting in the mainstream.

I agree!
Very very true...and its oh so damaging for us girls and boys!
There just needs to be more knowledge and education for children!

Children need to know that being gay or trans is nothing to be ashamed about and that they can lead happy lives. In the same way... other children will be way more comfortable with us too because its just because they dont know us, that they fear us.

And that needs to be changed.

[Yvonne183]

My idea,,,,, walk around the city as much as you can. Then one day you'll see a building on fire. Run into this burning building and save the occupants, saving children is a bonus. And when people read about your heroism they'll say,,"hey, tgilrs ain't all that bad after all".


I see two problems with what goes on. One has been mentioned,, too many tgirls in the sex industry.

The other is that unlike most gay men, quite a few transsexuals want to pass as women, they don't want to be known as a tgirl. Read posts on this forum about tgirls talking about passing and blending in. It does no good for fighting a cause if one is to blend in. Yes, some gays blend in as straight men, not telling others what they are but quite a few gay guys came out and are open with who they are. This way people see gays in everyday life, unlike most transsexuals who just blend in, except when doing transsexual porn, then they are open, but doing porn can make a backlash of negativity.

I am not saying that one should wear a sign on themselves saying I am a transsexual,, just be like gays and tell others that one is a transsexual rather than blend in with women. I do know that most transsexuals are considered women and saying otherwise would be wrong for them to do. If that is the case then we will basically remain where we are in limbo. Just toys for pervert men and dregs to the rest of society.

I do have hope, I believe that the young tgirls will show the way. I hope they stay in school despite the hardships. I hope they will become the wheelers and dealers, the bosses of companies, where they will be in a position to tell the haters to either stop or you lose your job. I hope they make others lose their jobs over being hateful than tgirls who lost decent jobs today. We are a lost generation with no idea of what to do, I have faith that the younger tgirls will do what is right.

I don't speak for others, just what I think and have viewed in my life.

[SpoogeMonkey]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?


No, apology needed.. lol

Lol/.. it was a compliment and I apologise if it offended.. it was one of those..

[yodajazz]

For what 'rights' are crossdressers fighting exactly? They already have the right to wear womens' clothes in public. What else could they need or want that doesn't trivialize the struggles of transsexuals fighting for respect and opportunity? Is this really about bathroom bills?

Sure, CDs need love too, but they surely don't need any more 'rights' because at the end of the day they still have male privilege.

~BB~

The issues to which you refer are social in nature, not legal, so this doesn't really answer my question. The government should not be legislating morality and acceptance, only tolerance.

~BB~

The focus of this thread was changed from popular acceptance, to trans rights, by unamed co-conspirators. I thought Kelly's original quesition had to do with the greater market acceptance of ts porn? I that case, the issue is related more to market share, than it is, rights.

[BellaBellucci]

The focus of this thread was changed from popular acceptance, to trans rights, by unamed co-conspirators. I thought Kelly's original quesition had to do with the greater market acceptance of ts porn? I that case, the issue is related more to market share, than it is, rights.

Yeah, well, I have a tendency to meander. So sue me. :lol:

Although incidentally, 'popular acceptance,' as you call it, would go a long way in mainstreaming transsexuals in the sex business. It's not hard to make the case that the market share we can achieve is linked to an increase of our positive exposure in the non-porn mainstream.

We operate within a growth niche. Considering the opportunities that presents, I'm actually surprised we don't already get more respect, encouragement, and involvement from mainstream porn.

~BB~

[postopadmirer]

I agree!
Very very true...and its oh so damaging for us girls and boys!
There just needs to be more knowledge and education for children!

Children need to know that being gay or trans is nothing to be ashamed about and that they can lead happy lives. In the same way... other children will be way more comfortable with us too because its just because they dont know us, that they fear us.

And that needs to be changed.

I know my life would be completely different if I had felt comfortable to look into what I was feeling when I first learned about transexuals as a child. Like many I could have avoided male puberty and all the expensive and in my case irreversible things, (like really broad shoulders). As it is I'm condemned to be trapped as a man who regrets he could never pass, or as a woman who could never blend in.

[JustMeHere]

I know it may seem weird, but what about getting involved with the indie/ dork scene. I have no idea how, maybe hanging with the video blog people like jenna marbles. I mean, people all over watch it and it's just idiotic fun; people being people-smart, dorky, fun people.

[the_corner]

I would say that a pretty girl like Jennifer Paris just needs to find a very straight, important and well known guy, that would come out and say "I date a TS, so what?"... at first people would be too rational and would say "that guy is soooo gay!"... but then guys would look at the hot girl and would say "I'd hit it!"....

People are like cattle. If the alpha male "does it"... then all of the other guys would accept it. And if the "alpha male" survives and retains his "alpha" status, then the GGs would accept it too.

[postopadmirer]

I would say that a pretty girl like Jennifer Paris just needs to find a very straight, important and well known guy, that would come out and say "I date a TS, so what?"... at first people would be too rational and would say "that guy is soooo gay!"... but then guys would look at the hot girl and would say "I'd hit it!"....

People are like cattle. If the alpha male "does it"... then all of the other guys would accept it. And if the "alpha male" survives and retains his "alpha" status, then the GGs would accept it too.

This might work but I'm pretty sure the world is to homophobic.

[russtafa]

political activism

[Nicole Dupre]

If someone almost famous came out to the public about his own relationship with a tran-woman, it would be a step in the right direction.

I think the more GG friends a TG has, the easier it will be for the general public to get past the idea that TGs are men in an extreme state of CD.

There's still a long way to go though since most folks still use 'transvestite' and 'transsexual' interchangeably.

Shows like 'Ellen' and Rosie O'Donnell's talk show IMO helped to create more public acceptance for gays/lesbians, reinforcing their 'normalness' irrespective of their sexual preference.

A tranny Oprah would be a home run. ;)

Roughly how many TGs are there in the United States anyway??

That's it exactly. One or two will have to slip under the radar, achieve some mainstream appeal, and then out themselves. We'll never get anywhere if we have to wait for a bunch of closet cockbandits jerking off to shemale porn to speak up on our behalf. Most of them have achieved nothing. Guys who have gotten somewhere in life and have some 'fuck you money' to show for it can afford to be sugar daddys, who don't have to embarrass themselves or their sugar babies.

But let's say... Brad and Angie married, adopted a bunch of kids, and eventually Brad said, "We need to be come clean about something, because there's no reason to be ashamed of it anyway. We adopted kids because Angelina can't actually bear children. My wife is transgendered, and I love her."

Can you imagine? lol But that's what would be needed; something big to snap everyone the fuck out of their fog.

We're all around you anyway, whether we're getting clocked or not.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think probably being proud of who we are would be a good first step. Not lying or hiding, doing shitty shady things to get ahead in the world. Standing up for ourselves when it comes to discrimination by any means necessary. Using the legal system when necessary, but just being out and proud for the most part. That means acknowledging that you're a transwoman to people and owning it.

We need family support. We need to just get out there and be accepted. I've worked alongside people who had no idea I was transgender until someone decided to be a prick and tell them. Guess what? Didn't matter to them because they got to know me as a person and not some Maury Povich freakshow tranny. The friends and enemies I make are because of my personality, not what's between my legs. That's how it should be.

I find it ironic that Kelly of all people is bringing something like this up. Kelly who has a video on Youtube about how she's an "activist", not mentioning anything about her porn career, her escort career, all the lowlife shit she does that objectifies and degrades other transwomen. Funny how the comments are locked on that video, Kelly. Is it because you know you're full of shit and don't want people who know the truth to comment on it? I wonder.

Kelly, one of the most fake and plastic people out there, wanting others to become more mainstream. What a joke. Tell you what, Kelly. You keep up the "good work" degrading yourself. Keep up getting your face carved and chopped and plastic injected so you look even more expressionless and mannequinlike. Keep on whoring and making porn. Keep mentioning your husband every single chance you get, like it makes you legit. But keep out of activism. You're not good enough. You're a shemale, not a transwoman. You don't speak for the rest of us. Speak for yourself and mind your own goddamn business, until you can learn to stop lying to the rest of the world and yourself about who you are.

I'm so sick of you being an attention whore. You're just another self-promoting asshole desperate for attention and legitimacy, pretending to be something they're not.
"*sob - I'm so sick of everyone not liking me, and everyone liking Kelly and all the porn and escort transsexuals. Waaaaaaaah!!!" Boo-fucking-hoo, you scurvy degenerate.

Regardless of what Kelly is, and I certainly don't have her on any pedestals, she belongs here. Where as you don't, dude. You're a stubble-faced bedpan changer and an easily-clocked freak, who wishes they looked even REMOTELY CLOSE to feminine enough to do porn. I remember what you said about working in a coffee shop, you dickhead. And how everyone knows you're a man? And you learned to suck it up? Well SUCK ON THIS!

People like you and this Kitty asshole hate us because you will never blend into society. It has NOTHING TO DO with any altruistic cover stories you've made up. So get off of your activist high horse. You're the poster child for maladjusted secondary TS wannabes who should have never bothered transitioning. You're a dude who had NO LIFE and had nothing to lose, so you started popping birth control pills and kidding yourself you're a lesbian. Yeah. A "lesbian", my intersexed Sicilian shemale asshole. You're a pervert, and an ugly pervert at that. And I have the photos to prove it, you hideous, hard-faced, hateful monstrosity.

If you have issues with TS porn and escorting, PLEASE STAY OFF OF THIS FORUM, SIR!!! YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO, SIR. WE BOTH KNOW YOU'RE HERE FOR FREE CONTENT BECAUSE YOU SECRETLY JERK OFF TO THIS STUFF, YOU SUPPOSED "PROUD LESBIAN". SO EAT SHIT, SIR!!!

[PapiBear]

Back to the original question: survey after survey shows that the more people are friends with a particular group, the less they are likely to have misconceptions and the more accepting they are likely to be. People with black friends are less likely to be predjudiced against blacks. People with gay friends are less likely to be homophobic. Now, there may be a confusion of causality here. (People who are less homophobic are more likely to have gay friends). But the studies seem to indicate that people who were homophobic or racist or whatever tend to lose that particular belief as their contact increases. Familiarity breeds acceptance.

So, I think the next step is obvious: a concerted effort of gregariousness and recruitment.

[theone1982]

A high quality HBO series starring a transgendered person.

[yodajazz]

That's it exactly. One or two will have to slip under the radar, achieve some mainstream appeal, and then out themselves. We'll never get anywhere if we have to wait for a bunch of closet cockbandits jerking off to shemale porn to speak up on our behalf. Most of them have achieved nothing. Guys who have gotten somewhere in life and have some 'fuck you money' to show for it can afford to be sugar daddys, who don't have to embarrass themselves or their sugar babies.

But let's say... Brad and Angie married, adopted a bunch of kids, and eventually Brad said, "We need to be come clean about something, because there's no reason to be ashamed of it anyway. We adopted kids because Angelina can't actually bear children. My wife is transgendered, and I love her."

Can you imagine? lol But that's what would be needed; something big to snap everyone the fuck out of their fog.

We're all around you anyway, whether we're getting clocked or not.

You have a point. I have seen in more than one instance, in other countries, where a person was known in the media, and then came out as trans. In this example, then Chaz Bono is a ground breaker, but there is no equivalent female, yet. But eveyone does know to some extent due to talk shows, starting in the early ninties.

[Nicole Dupre]

You have a point. I have seen in more than one instance, in other countries, where a person was known in the media, and then came out as trans. In this example, then Chaz Bono is a ground breaker, but there is no equivalent female, yet. But eveyone does know to some extent due to talk shows, starting in the early ninties.Chaz stepping forward is, overall, helpful. But F2Ms have nowhere near the seedy reputation that M2Fs have. Unfortunately we have lots of baggage, and imo it's not due to the porn industry, as people like Tika and KittyPride would have you believe.

The porn industry puts us on a much more level playing field with GGs in terms of attracting straight men. And it helps destroy the "gay" taboo. In addition, every woman has the right to be a superficial sex object. The idea that we'd have to remain these altruistic, unsexy martyrs, as those two idiots have chosen to be, until the day that M2Fs are more socially acceptable, is laughable. Porn is actually a GOOD thing for us. Escorting is too. It's people like Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber here who are deservedly so peripheral in the bigger picture of what we've achieved. And trust me, we've achieved plenty. We were the ones who stood up at Stonewall and the Compton Cafeteria Riots. The femme fags did; not the closet cases who insisted on staying home and banging their wives, and hiding their panties and bras is a Greyhound locker somewhere.

But when people like them demand attention these days, yet sound so unhappy and poorly adjusted, and in addition everyone agrees that they're unpleasing to look at, we all look bad. I don't want to be associated with them or any hetero crossdressers. "Crossdressers" are basically straight guys who get a sexual thrill from dressing as women. When gay men dress as women, at least they aren't doing it to satisfy their kinks. They do it without a sexual thrill. That's why so many well-adjusted primary M2F transsexuals start out as confused gay boys. And that's why imo kinky CDs always turn out to be serial killers.

I really can't identify with transbians, even though I know some of them are ok. But I suspect a lot of them are just bored, kinky hetero CDs, just a little more serious than the real-life Silence of the Lambs freaks out there. So I'm sorry, but I think they fuck things up FAR worse than hetero TS porn stars or escorts do, in terms of giving us a bad reputation.

As a kid, I never wanted anything but to be a some man's wife and raise a family. But of course you learn early on that those things aren't in the cards.

But because "god gave us lemons and we made lemonade", we're somehow doing a disservice to all M2F TSs by becoming sexworkers? Well fuck you. I don't think so. Maybe the kinky transbians are on that road just for the thrill. But I think many "primary" transsexuals are just doing what it takes to get through life. People like Tika and KittyPride just have guilty consciences because they know damn well it's all about jerking off in the mirror and day dreaming that they're women. They can't go out among their fellow human beings and co-exist.

[Prospero]

I'm not sure what maintream means... but i was at a funeral recently and at the reception afterwards one of the guest speakers was a transgendered woman. Clearly so for she was tall and rather masculine. Totally clockable. But also she gave one of the key addresses in praise of the dear departed (a very macho and much married great grandfather who'd long been a very close friend of hers) and everyone in the room was rapt by the power of her oratory. Afterwards she was just a woman who everyone talked to and clearly respected. She has a powerful job in public life too. I guess that's pretty mainstream.

[Nicole Dupre]

Being sexually attractive M2F TSs - and yes, even a sexworkers - in and of itself is not hurting our collective chances of achieving anything. Sure, we're up against a lot. All women are, and all PEOPLE have issues to face. But we, as TS women, have also achieved a lot. We're some the most intelligent, creative, courageous, and BEAUTIFUL people in the world. Maybe things won't be exactly the way we'd like them to be in any of our lifetimes. But that's fine with me. I'm not holding my breath, waiting for "progress" or for all of us to "get along"; I'm just living my life the best way I know how to.

Georgie Girl / TRAILER - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxEEVj_9Kbk)

[jerseyboy72]

A main stream tv show starring Vivian Porto.

[FreddieGomez]

go to college and get legitimate careers,

now a days alot of jobs have discrimination laws

[Tyler___Durden]

What would be your advice or ideas To bring ts girls more mainstream?

Ban Stealth.

[tsdvdman]

You retire for real!!

[Tyler___Durden]

Oh, and making this a sticky on every tg board in the world.
It's the most awesome trans-related thing I have ever read.
I copied this a couple of years ago, though the link is dead.
http://therealkellyshore.info/2009/11/05/my-wish/

Stop Oppression.
We can do it if we just be ourselves with out word slinging and violence.
Why is it we transpeople feel we need to talk back to a group of guys that clocked us in public.
Why do we need to escalate it so its another transsexuals’ death in vain.
A beautiful individual working her/his way down the path of peace within her/his self.
The peace they will never be allowed over an escalated argument or dating a man or woman under false pretences.
I’ll go more into this topic later.
It’s a minute out of our day that we were name called, but we have 23:59 to keep on our path and the rest of our lives.
I say lets bury our pride and worry about ourselves and safety first.
Too many transsexual deaths’ come from escalating the issue of hate.
We think standing up and yelling back at the person/persons emotionally abusing us,
is going to make them change their mind or change what was said that made us so mad.
I can tell you it wont.
I have always believed you can always catch more bees with honey.
When we decide to take part in the word slinging it escalates the hate more.
It gives them the catalyst to make it easier to physically harm us. Who knows if that day it will be a beating or death.
Why play with fire people?


I don’t get why we give these people filled with hate so much power over our lives?
We should worry more about what we think of ourselves and what our loved ones think,
before instigating a mob of haters. So they called us a fag, a man, a freak, a pervert,
or whatever lame attempt they can throw at us let them have it.
In the end we know who we are and what path we are on.
Let the them have their view, if thats what it takes to keep us safe for another day.
We still have our view, they haven’t taken it from us.
The media may strip us as they like, but we know who we are and thats what is important.
Hold dear to things in you life you value and love.
Remember that tomorrow we most likely wont even remember the incident the day before.
This keeps us safe and gives us the time we need to achieve our genders we need to be viewed as, live as, and love as.
Escalating hate with flinging words can result in having our life ripped away from us.
Remember time is precious, life is precious, and lying on a morgue table is not a wish I have for myself.
My wish is to get these men and women that have beat us and murdered us not have the option of a slap on the wrist with a thing called a sanity plea.
That judicial systems finally start seeing these crimes as hate crimes, and giving them the full punishment of the law.
We need to stop giving these people the angle they need to be set free for our deaths.


Lastly with ladies and gentleman that go around tricking men and women on dates.
I beg you to think of your actions before you keep practising this habit.
I realize you need to be treated as your gender, and maybe you think in your head you can’t be treated solely as that gender if they know.
I assure you this isn’t true!
Lets remember our dead.
Lets remember the beautiful teen Gwen Araujo who played with fire and in the end was burnt.
No she did not deserve this, she was a teen girl wanting to do what every teen girl does her age.
It would be great if we had the luxury of living as any other teen girl,
but we as transwomen have limitations we need to understand this and embrace this.
To protect ourselves.
To stop our murders.
Lets stop giving these people filled with so much hate an excuse to dismiss who we are so easily by killing us.
I am sure I’ll get many debaters on this, saying this is cowardly, but dear it’s smart.
Why throw away your life so easily?
Why do you feel the need to give these people who you only knew for that instant so much power on who we are?
This issue goes on a lot with transmen also tricking women,
violence is less in these instances,
but please remember Brandon.
Another young transperson wanting to be viewed as what he was.
A man.
He wanted to fall in love like everyone does, but loving under false pretenses under any admission will never work out.
There are those rare and lucky cases where tricking did turn out good for the transmen and women,
but don’t base these rare chances on fact or your fate.


Lets talk about what we should do.
Lets ignore the people that don’t understand us on the streets,
and put our anger towards getting our voices heard politically,
by openminded supporters, and by each other.
Lets stop hating on one another and focus this energy on getting transwomen and men
jobs, opportunities, and equal rights.
Lets try to figure out a plan to make sex work less of a stigma of what transsexuals are and do.
Let transwomen and men that have the means open businesses and hire other transpeople.
Many are doing this now, lets stick to doing this.
Lets work on helping our weak and making them strong, instead of focusing on the people who would rather see us dead.
Lets donate money to activist groups who are fighting for our rights in Washington, in our counties, and in our cities.
My wish is to become a more unified, caring, and helping community.
Rather than a community that reads one another, because one girl is less transitioned than the next.
My wish is the lover of transwomen and men stand with us to battle discrimination and oppression.
That they will be proud to say I love transsexuals for whatever their reasoning.
My wish is to see less transsexuals having money for sex and more mainstream jobs.
Even if it’s just stripping.
My wish is to bring our sisterhood and brotherhood together instead of transmen being on one side and transwomen on the other.
Lets stop oppression now.
Lets use our voices to uplift, instead of defending all the time.
Most of all lets stop our murders,
thats my wish.

I would love to see trans-couples come forward to talk about their successes.
Their love.
Their normalcy.
To help educate.
I know there are many couples out there but so little come out and talk, all you hear is about escorts.
We need to make a stand with empowerment and education, not with idle words and comebacks.
It leaves us nowhere!
XoXo


Yep. Kelly, you've already got this thread covered.

[Jpndrum]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?

A certain distance from things that are considered taboo would be a good start, I realize that is a lot to ask considering the subject of ts is taboo enough in-and-of itself. Not doing porn would be a good start, while porn is becoming more mainstream in America, it will always be a taboo and the amount of girls that go from porn to other things in culture is virtually nonexistent. Besides that, a degree of openness and a higher level of education across the board wouldn't hurt.

[Nicole Dupre]

Porn and escorting will never go away.

[onmyknees]

If the question was how to bring TS more in the mainstream.....why not ask someone in the mainstream? Do we have any candidates in here? lol

[Nicole Dupre]

This is a pretty silly place to discuss such a topic. Most girls here don't want to be mainstream anyway. And many can't be. They're too easily clocked. And they'd like you to believe that they're living charmed lives. lol

[slingblade]

This is a pretty silly place to discuss such a topic. Most girls here don't want to be mainstream anyway. And many can't be. They're too easily clocked. And they'd like you to believe that they're living charmed lives. lol

right to the point and on point baby :cheers::cheers:

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

You want to know what would make ts more 'mainstream' (even though that is a bit of a non-term to use).

Presumabley you only mean what would make them 'mainstream' celebrities or mainstream in the mainstream media.

And here's the answer:

Why is it that there is a massive percentage of ts compared with normal women who MUST BE FAMOUS. Who crave the fame. Hence why they enter the porn world. They crave attention. Attention from people who like and support them.

In genetic born females, there are far less women like this. A lot of female pornstars and sex workers (and this is fact backed up by anecdotal evidence) have had issues in their past.

Female celebrities are just essentially normal people doing their normal job and get a lucky break and get picked up and promoted by the fame game. Only a fraction of females who take up acting/singing/modelling EVER become famous for their path.

Another reason is this. Most females will try to go to university, try to study hard and get a degree and enter the job market after graduation and try to go into all sorts of industries. Banking/finance, medical, vetinary, engineering, sciences, etc.

Very few of them pursue this 'try to get famous and seek attention at all costs' road.

Perhaps look at the reasons why there are extremely low amount of transgender women using sites like this or say transexual dating sites that have graduated or that have a highly paid and high skilled professional job.

There are plenty of female lawers, politicians, doctors, engineers, vets, nurses, police, financiers. However in the ts world there seems to be a much higher proportion of ts that try to pursue a career as a sex worker or in pornography. Pornography being an obvious choice because it gives them attention from fans whilst they know that mainstream society (which is sad, but true) will belittle them, be cruel and nasty to them.

Isnt it ironic, asking the question, meanwhile look up to the top of the screen and there is a 'girl' with 'her' cock out and jerking it into the camera...yet people wondering why ts are not 'mainstream'.

It is sad but true that ts are seen as a fetish object in society, NOT BY ALL PEOPLE, but by the majority. Slowly as time progresses things will calm down and ts will be more accepted.

However when you look at the dermographic spectrum of employment in genetic females and compare to ts, you basically get women spread throughout a whole range of different jobs in the labour market, yet a massive proportion of ts in the sex industry.

How can ts be part of mainstream society when they are actually part (in the most) of an illegal industry = the sex trade.

When there are more ts doctors, nurses, bankers, lawers, engineers, astronaughts, pilots etc (which means STUDYING very hard), then there will probably also be more ts actors, mainstream fashion models, 'celebritys' as well.

One last point, if you look at the amount of ts in each country, there is a much higher amount of females. So let's say there are 100 celebritys (if this is what you are talking about by 'mainstream', females in media spotlight seeking attention from mainstream society), then it stands to reason there will be a hundred fold more women in the fame game because there is a hundred times more genetic women than transgender women in the world, probably more.

For every female celebrity in main stream media there will be 10,000 attention seeking females who did the same thing as the 'famous person' yet no one has any idea who they are.

[Nicole Dupre]

You want to know what would make ts more 'mainstream' (even though that is a bit of a non-term to use).

Presumabley you only mean what would make them 'mainstream' celebrities or mainstream in the mainstream media.

And here's the answer:

Why is it that there is a massive percentage of ts compared with normal women who MUST BE FAMOUS. Who crave the fame. Hence why they enter the porn world. They crave attention. Attention from people who like and support them.

In genetic born females, there are far less women like this. A lot of female pornstars and sex workers (and this is fact backed up by anecdotal evidence) have had issues in their past.

Female celebrities are just essentially normal people doing their normal job and get a lucky break and get picked up and promoted by the fame game. Only a fraction of females who take up acting/singing/modelling EVER become famous for their path.

Another reason is this. Most females will try to go to university, try to study hard and get a degree and enter the job market after graduation and try to go into all sorts of industries. Banking/finance, medical, vetinary, engineering, sciences, etc.

Very few of them pursue this 'try to get famous and seek attention at all costs' road.

Perhaps look at the reasons why there are extremely low amount of transgender women using sites like this or say transexual dating sites that have graduated or that have a highly paid and high skilled professional job.

There are plenty of female lawers, politicians, doctors, engineers, vets, nurses, police, financiers. However in the ts world there seems to be a much higher proportion of ts that try to pursue a career as a sex worker or in pornography. Pornography being an obvious choice because it gives them attention from fans whilst they know that mainstream society (which is sad, but true) will belittle them, be cruel and nasty to them.

Isnt it ironic, asking the question, meanwhile look up to the top of the screen and there is a 'girl' with 'her' cock out and jerking it into the camera...yet people wondering why ts are not 'mainstream'.

It is sad but true that ts are seen as a fetish object in society, NOT BY ALL PEOPLE, but by the majority. Slowly as time progresses things will calm down and ts will be more accepted.

However when you look at the dermographic spectrum of employment in genetic females and compare to ts, you basically get women spread throughout a whole range of different jobs in the labour market, yet a massive proportion of ts in the sex industry.

How can ts be part of mainstream society when they are actually part (in the most) of an illegal industry = the sex trade.

When there are more ts doctors, nurses, bankers, lawers, engineers, astronaughts, pilots etc (which means STUDYING very hard), then there will probably also be more ts actors, mainstream fashion models, 'celebritys' as well.

One last point, if you look at the amount of ts in each country, there is a much higher amount of females. So let's say there are 100 celebritys (if this is what you are talking about by 'mainstream', females in media spotlight seeking attention from mainstream society), then it stands to reason there will be a hundred fold more women in the fame game because there is a hundred times more genetic women than transgender women in the world, probably more.

For every female celebrity in main stream media there will be 10,000 attention seeking females who did the same thing as the 'famous person' yet no one has any idea who they are.
I thought in this case "mainstream" meant socially accepted. For most people, as you pointed out, fame is an unintentional by-product of some type of hard work and sacrifice. And there are plenty of hard-working transsexuals who you'll never know about because they don't want attention for being transsexuals.

I also think that more transsexuals go into escorting as a means of supporting themselves and saving money than you may think. Porn is a little different, especially now. Porn is as unprofitable as it's ever been due to piracy and model oversaturation. So to dabble with the role of rising "porn star" beyond '08 or '09 would indicate that vain ego trip thing you were mentioning and an extreme level of desperation.

But keep in mind, transitioning to fulltime makes for a lot of collateral damage in one's life. Education and job history are easily overshadowed by changing gender. There are stigmas placed on you. Social security numbers don't change, and ultimately no one can be quite as stealth as they'd like to be. It's a handicap that no one can completely prepare for. And that's when money starts running out, bank accounts get drained, and employers say "Don't call us. We'll call you."

There really is no convenient time to transition. You either take the plunge or you don't. If you do, you may not make it. So I don't take for granted that I still have my immediate family and 90% of my relatives in my life, and a decent job aside from being a sexworker. I don't even take it for granted that I have real friends. And I don't mean acquaintances either; I mean real friends. There were no guarantees, and there were definitely some rough moments along the way.

And right now, as we all know, the economy is shaky. So this isn't quite the time to ride any gravy trains of "easy sexworker money". That's why I have a real job again these days. You can't put all your eggs into one basket. I love sex and god knows I'm very kinky and horny. But that's just one aspect of my life. To me, being a well-rounded, grounded human being is what being "mainstream" is.

[hard4janira]

Get Obama to admit that he's a chaser