The butch transsexual appreciation thread

[Erika1487]

I have noticed that there are more butch transsexuals shooting ts porn these days that include Danni Daniels, Maya Mayhem, Drew Deveaux, and Tobi Hill-Meyer. It warms this old this old butch’s heart to see the influx of butch transsexuals. Many don’t consider the butch ts to be a true transsexual woman. They are often lumped into the term gender queer or referred to as mannish, or boyish looking even by their own trans community.
I consider myself butch and often feel conflicted about how I come off in the community, but, have come to embrace the idea of just being a different and learning that I have much more in common with the hard butch (GG-girls) and bull dyke culture.
So what are your thoughts about the butch trans woman?

[halpme]

wow, who is the girl with the blue hair? I am loving her look

[Erika1487]

wow, who is the girl with the blue hair? I am loving her look

That's Maya Mayhem.

[halpme]

Maya Mayhem...
Very sexy! Just did a quick search, can't find any of her vids on the tube sites.
Any tips? Alternately, got any more pics of her?

[Erika1487]

Maya Mayhem...
Very sexy! Just did a quick search, can't find any of her vids on the tube sites.
Any tips? Alternately, got any more pics of her?

You can find her at www.queerporn.tv

[halpme]

Is she post-op?
In this clip:
http://queerporn.tv/wp/maggie-mayhem-ned

She looks like she has a vagina.
I was really looking forward to seeing her dick :(


edit: my bad! Maya Mayhem, not Maggie Mayhem!
Damn similar names

THIS is more like it!
http://queerporn.tv/wp/stars/maya-mayhem

Wow, she's amazing! I would love to be able to find her full length scenes. That fisting scene looks intense!

[giovanni_hotel]

I don't get 'butch' trannies.
To me it's the same like what's up with tranny lesbians???

[robertlouis]

Not for me, Erika. The more fem the girl, the more I'll be attracted to her.

[Merkurie]

She's hot
http://hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=445545&stc=1&d=1326594716

[irvin66]

I like girls not men, more like genetic girls with a surprise between the legs, not as masculine such as these.:geek:

[BigDF]

Well, you know me Erika, if that's what you're into go for it. To tell the truth they scare me and I doubt I would allow them anywhere near my boys as it were. You really love poking the bears, don't you?:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[lovesall]

Sorry not for me I enjoy fem bodies but with a supprise in between!

[Erika1487]

Not for me, Erika. The more fem the girl, the more I'll be attracted to her.

It is a required taste Robert, I think that if you identify as trans and like girls it makes a little more sense.


Well, you know me Erika, if that's what you're into go for it. To tell the truth they scare me and I doubt I would allow them anywhere near my boys as it were. You really love poking the bears, don't you?:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

Oh BigDF you know too well;) I like a girl who could tame me:fuckin: I have not totally given up on men, but tbh I fit much better in the butch, dyke (GG) culture than I do the trans community. Most of my real friends are lesbian, or FTM transsexual and I have not been able to 'blend in' with the MTF community that well. Maybe I was born to be a dyke:wiggle:

[kittyKaiti]

It is a required taste Robert, I think that if you identify as trans and like girls it makes a little more sense.

>required
wat

>identify as trans
wat

>like girls, it makes a little more sense
wat

[Erika1487]

>required
wat

>identify as trans
wat

>like girls, it makes a little more sense
wat

Kitty Butch is a lifestyle whether your a GG, a MTF, or FTM the butch/les/dyke coumminty streches across gender,boundries. For instance I am a Butch transsexual, pansexual masochist!

[MdR Dave]

>required
wat

>identify as trans
wat

>like girls, it makes a little more sense
wat

I know, right? WHAT?!!!!

I think there's some sort of blockage there.

[Erika1487]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xfTN-dKqO4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljuukwdLcb4&feature=BFa&list=UL_xfTN-dKqO4&lf=mfu_in_order

[Merkurie]

Less talk more girls
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=419446&stc=1&d=1315409116

[Erika1487]

Jiz Lee

[Dino Velvet]

Jiz Lee

A Chinese gal named Jiz sounds good to me.:jerkoff

[ValerieNelson]

Beautiful ladies! :)

[giovanni_hotel]

Trans-bians..just too confusing for me.

[kittyKaiti]

Trans-bians..just too confusing for me.

I'm not defending James' position at all here but:


Why do you not understand lesbian transsexual women? Transsexuals are no different than women and there are lesbian genetic women so women can be lesbians, no surprise to find a transsexual lesbian.

[jerseyboy72]

not my thing.

[Erika1487]

Transsexuals are no different than women and there are lesbian genetic women so women can be lesbians, no surprise to find a transsexual lesbian.

Maybe the first thing we have ever agreed on Kitty!

[Ineeda SM]

I'm not defending James' position at all here but:

Why do you not understand lesbian transsexual women? Transsexuals are no different than women and there are lesbian genetic women so women can be lesbians, no surprise to find a transsexual lesbian.

I hate to inform you Kitty, but transsexual women ARE different from women. TS women have cocks. You are not a GG. The term "trans-lesbian" is as impossible as the term "girl cock". Both are oxymorons. A TS woman enjoying sex with a GG makes them both straight. They are not lesbians. Lesbians are 2 or more GG's enjoying sex with each other. And a butch TS is as close as a TS can get to still being a man.

In the truthful words of our own hot TS Michelle Austin.....

U have no right dude! U are still a man technically like all of us! SO once again stop thinking ur God because u started taking hormones a few mths ago. Untill ur dick is chopped off ur still a man, and even then technically ur a man! And u have no rights to fight women like u claim u do! So people like u give us trans women a bad name and when they find out ur real status u will make a fool out of us!

[Merkurie]

So what

[georgiaguy]

take all kinds

[BigDF]

It is a required taste Robert, I think that if you identify as trans and like girls it makes a little more sense.



Oh BigDF you know too well;) I like a girl who could tame me:fuckin: I have not totally given up on men, but tbh I fit much better in the butch, dyke (GG) culture than I do the trans community. Most of my real friends are lesbian, or FTM transsexual and I have not been able to 'blend in' with the MTF community that well. Maybe I was born to be a dyke:wiggle:If I could choose my sexuality I would certainly be lez because I just luv to eat pussy.:dancing:

[robertlouis]

It is a required taste Robert, I think that if you identify as trans and like girls it makes a little more sense.



No problem, Erika, although I think you mean "acquired" rather than "required". I guess it just goes to show that there are no boundaries when it comes to sexual preference, and that's just how it should be.

[robertlouis]

Just as a matter of interest, because I for one certainly don't know, what if any are the differences between butch tgirls and fembois?

[kittyKaiti]

I hate to inform you Kitty, but transsexual women ARE different from women. TS women have cocks. You are not a GG. The term "trans-lesbian" is as impossible as the term "girl cock". Both are oxymorons. A TS woman enjoying sex with a GG makes them both straight. They are not lesbians. Lesbians are 2 or more GG's enjoying sex with each other. And a butch TS is as close as a TS can get to still being a man.

In the truthful words of our own hot TS Michelle Austin.....

If you just view us trans women as a bunch of men, you need to get the fuck off this board.

[amberskyi]

I hate to inform you Kitty, but transsexual women ARE different from women. TS women have cocks. You are not a GG. The term "trans-lesbian" is as impossible as the term "girl cock". Both are oxymorons. A TS woman enjoying sex with a GG makes them both straight. They are not lesbians. Lesbians are 2 or more GG's enjoying sex with each other. And a butch TS is as close as a TS can get to still being a man.

In the truthful words of our own hot TS Michelle Austin.....


wow your a fucking douche bag.......

[KittyPride]

I am a straight TS girl but because I really dont like woman - at all - sexually I mean... I sometimes wonder that could be the reason why I want to remain pre op, ..I would like to have a vagina to feel more like a woman, and have a woman's sexuality... but I feel that to be very different from a post op sexuality... and because I love men, perhaps I can live with what I have more easely then others.
Also and more importantly; I dont identify "it", my cock, as being masculine. Ive had it all my life and it never made me any less a woman.

What scares me too, is that when you talk to some post op girls.... when you win their trust, even the one's that seemed so satisfied with their results, often start sharing feelings of doubts or they describe almost irrational reasons for themselves to justify SRS, like the idea that you will be able to lead a normal life, or that you will feel more like a woman. Those aren't the reasons to do SRS.

There are TS woman that say that you cannot be or feel like a woman without SRS, but I think those TS weren't woman to begin with. Some GG's would say that the ability to bear children is the definition of womanhood. But woman who can't get pregnant or dont want children aren't males. In the same way, any Tgirl that refuses a surgion to make alterations to her body... its her personal choice... and she is no less a woman because of it..

I think there is a difference between transbians and femboys.... transbians are usually straight before transition and become gay with their transitions... and with fem boys... they start off as gay... and turn "straight".

This is also why the life's of the two differ inmensely because transbians usually start their life as normal functional straight males, while femboys are obviously too feminine from an early age and get bullied and teased more...as a result many have less strong ego's then transbians... some transbians seem to expect that the world kneels down for them and their new identity.

[robertlouis]

I am a straight TS girl but because I really dont like woman - at all - sexually I mean... I sometimes wonder that could be the reason why I want to remain pre op, ..I would like to have a vagina to feel more like a woman, and have a woman's sexuality... but I feel that to be very different from a post op sexuality... and because I love men, perhaps I can live with what I have more easely then others.
Also and more importantly; I dont identify "it", my cock, as being masculine. Ive had it all my life and it never made me any less a woman.

What scares me too, is that when you talk to some post op girls.... when you win their trust, even the one's that seemed so satisfied with their results, often start sharing feelings of doubts or they describe almost irrational reasons for themselves to justify SRS, like the idea that you will be able to lead a normal life, or that you will feel more like a woman. Those aren't the reasons to do SRS.

There are TS woman that say that you cannot be or feel like a woman without SRS, but I think those TS weren't woman to begin with. Some GG's would say that the ability to bear children is the definition of womanhood. But woman who can't get pregnant or dont want children aren't males. In the same way, any Tgirl that refuses a surgion to make alterations to her body... its her personal choice... and she is no less a woman because of it..

That's a deeply heartfelt, honest and very frank post, Kitty. Thank you for sharing.

[TSMichelleAustin]

What i posted in another thread that was quoted here is out of context. First off, I dont care for or the things she is doing to go about her transition. I am not sayin that us trans women are men, I was saying that no matter how many surgeries we have, that biologically we will be male. And society will always see it that way. I personally feel trans people are different sex (most known as third sex) but that is my opinion. But I just wanted to clear that my statement was in reference to another thread about no matter how many things u get changed on legal documents, you are still technically a male if someone was to find out.

I have gender queer friends and know butch ts, its all in taste. I am actually shooting content for QueerTV this year.

[AmyDaly]

I hate to inform you Kitty, but transsexual women ARE different from women. TS women have cocks. You are not a GG. The term "trans-lesbian" is as impossible as the term "girl cock". Both are oxymorons. A TS woman enjoying sex with a GG makes them both straight. They are not lesbians. Lesbians are 2 or more GG's enjoying sex with each other. And a butch TS is as close as a TS can get to still being a man.

In the truthful words of our own hot TS Michelle Austin.....
Ok then Mr Sexuality professor, what do you call a Transsexual Woman who only likes Women(ts women or gg women)?

Oh so help me if you say we are straight....

And so many people don't understand that Gender does not = Sexuality. Just Being trans doesn't mean you are gay or straight. Some people just don't have the capacity in their brains to get it through their heads.

[AmyDaly]

wow your a fucking douche bag.......
This is been pointed out before in discussions with this guy. He tried to argue to me about how you can't get fired for being a transsexual ANYWHERE and ended up getting all pissed off at me because I presented the facts.

[Erika1487]

If I could choose my sexuality I would certainly be lez because I just luv to eat pussy.:dancing:

Me too!!!:salad Because I care I will show a couple of my ex girlfriends..

Susan who I just dated..didn't work out:(

Stephenie who was one of my HS sweet hearts...

[Erika1487]

If you just view us trans women as a bunch of men, you need to get the fuck off this board.

Kitty that is two days in a row I have :iagree: 100% with you!

[MdR Dave]

So the question is: are both of the pictures Erika posted from Chan4 or just the one?

Another: is it more likely that Erika posted a pic of someone from the Spanglerverse or that this is sheer crap?

C'mon. Google, muthafuckah!

http://www.google.com/m/imgres?safe=off&q=site:Chan4Chan.com+bodypaint+penguin+breasts&gwt=off&hl=en&start=1&site=images&imgid=ANd9GcRQKyzt6JSvO2g5x-74lusAAK1E8nbtxLiUMRDd9n5zaW5VR1BKmNPN4DvEGg&imgsz=50597&imgurl=http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-12-30/1262153988359.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chan4chan.com/tags/paint&ht=719&wd=715&tbnh=140&tbnw=139&ei=Lt4UT-C-NOnkygHEmAE&ved=0CA0Q9QEwAQ

[Erika1487]

So the question is: are both of the pictures Erika posted from Chan4 or just the one?

Another: is it more likely that Erika posted a pic of someone from the Spanglerverse or that this is sheer crap?

C'mon. Google, muthafuckah!

http://www.google.com/m/imgres?safe=off&q=site:Chan4Chan.com+bodypaint+penguin+breasts&gwt=off&hl=en&start=1&site=images&imgid=ANd9GcRQKyzt6JSvO2g5x-74lusAAK1E8nbtxLiUMRDd9n5zaW5VR1BKmNPN4DvEGg&imgsz=50597&imgurl=http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-12-30/1262153988359.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chan4chan.com/tags/paint&ht=719&wd=715&tbnh=140&tbnw=139&ei=Lt4UT-C-NOnkygHEmAE&ved=0CA0Q9QEwAQ


WTF? Dave I may just fly to cali to slap the shit out of you, but between you and Ineeda I don't klnow who to hit first!! Steph is real btw!!

[MdR Dave]

Me too!!!:salad Because I care I will show a couple of my ex girlfriends..

Susan who I just dated..didn't work out:(

Stephenie who was one of my HS sweet hearts...

here's MY ex. It just didn't work out. And yeah, the pic is an obvious fake but it's more likely true than the idea that you dated someone who happens to have a famous Chan4 picture.

Are you pathological?

[MdR Dave]

I will agree that the girl is a real person. Everything else is highly suspect.

[Erika1487]

I will agree that the girl is a real person.

Well no shit sherlock....:smh
Dave Are you drunk agian or just stoned??? Sometimes I quistion your motives on here...

[MdR Dave]

In response to the question: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The question of who you are isn't a factor here. And I don't want to get anywhere near your keister.

You need to lay off the meth.

This is the message that was sent
***************
WTF? Dude! What the hell is your issue here? You want to scope the inside of my asshole to prove I am really Erika or are a posting of my complete medical records with dental to prove who I am.....:smh :fu

[Erika1487]

In response to the question: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The question of who you are isn't a factor here. And I don't want to get anywhere near your keister.

You need to lay off the meth.

This is the message that was sent
***************
WTF? Dude! What the hell is your issue here? You want to scope the inside of my asshole to prove I am really Erika or are a posting of my complete medical records with dental to prove who I am.....:smh :fu

Hey fuck you asshole! You are the one that calls me a Republican plant. You are the one who says my name is really not Erika! You are the one who claims I am here to destory the "LGTB community" Here...

[MdR Dave]

Mort de rire!


Uh oh, Jean Luc is on the case.

[Ineeda SM]

Ok then Mr Sexuality professor, what do you call a Transsexual Woman who only likes Women(ts women or gg women)?

Oh so help me if you say we are straight....

Yeah I knew a couple of you in total denial would give me flack on this one. My own TS girlfriend understands and accepts this as fact. The PM's I have gotten from other TS on this site understand and accept the facts. So why is it that only a couple of you just can't do the same thing and accept the facts?

You keep forgetting that we are talking about biological truth. You were born a male. You took hormones and possibly had surgery to identify as a woman. But you did not magically create a new gender or change the gender you were born as.

A TS woman is a TS woman. She is biologically still a male as Michelle pointed out, and why I used her quote. A biological male fucking a biological woman is engaging in straight sex. What else can you call it? You can argue sexuality all you wish, but facts are still facts.


And so many people don't understand that Gender does not = Sexuality. Just Being trans doesn't mean you are gay or straight. Some people just don't have the capacity in their brains to get it through their heads.

Yes actually gender DOES equal sexuality. A TS identifies as a woman, and rightfully so. I do not argue about that. But biologically you are still a male like it or not. That is not an insult, it is just a simple fact. If you put your male dick into a GG woman, your sexuality is a male fucking a straight woman. That is what straight people do. If you put your make dick into another TS or another male, your sexuality is homosexual. That is what homosexual men do. This is another one of those facts that you can deny forever,(and I am sure you will) but it is still a fact.

My favorite quote.....
“A fact is a fact. It means the statements of an issue are proven, confirmed, and verified as total honesty and truthful.
When you state a fact you tell the truth. When you dispute the fact, you’re
either lying deliberately, or you are just plumb stupid.”
....................Mark Twain.


This is been pointed out before in discussions with this guy. He tried to argue to me about how you can't get fired for being a transsexual ANYWHERE and ended up getting all pissed off at me because I presented the facts.

No that is not what happened at all. It was just you and 2 others that have one track minds which go against all known facts, who made the argument but never proved your self. And of course you did not read every word I wrote and took your own take on it, which was false.

Well I am ready for the strong denial arguments, so go ahead.

[AmyDaly]

Well I am ready for the strong denial arguments, so go ahead.
Actually, Your response was enough to point out what I am talking about regarding you.

[Ineeda SM]

What i posted in another thread that was quoted here is out of context. First off, I dont care for or the things she is doing to go about her transition. I am not sayin that us trans women are men, I was saying that no matter how many surgeries we have, that biologically we will be male. And society will always see it that way. I personally feel trans people are different sex (most known as third sex) but that is my opinion. But I just wanted to clear that my statement was in reference to another thread about no matter how many things u get changed on legal documents, you are still technically a male if someone was to find out.

I have gender queer friends and know butch ts, its all in taste. I am actually shooting content for QueerTV this year.

Michelle, I used your quote from the other thread because it was the words of a well known TS that said you are all still biologically males. That was the only reason, and it is also why I did not edit your quote in any way. If I was out of line for doing that, I humbly apologize. But I needed the words from a true TS woman to show that this was not just my personal opinions, but rather true facts. You have read many of my posts here praising the girls, including yourself. If they don't know how I feel by now, they never will.

But I find it very interesting that YOU, a TS woman can clearly state that all TS women are still biologically males, and you got absolutely no flack from anyone about that in any way. But when me, a bisexual male says the same thing, I get jumped on by a couple of ladies in complete denial of the facts. I guess I can just accept it as who they are, and just pass it off as their ignorance.

[Ineeda SM]

Actually, Your response was enough to point out what I am talking about regarding you.

Yes I am sure you see it that way. I am not surprised. But I also know through PM's from many of the girls here that you are one of a couple girls who feel that way. So basically, I don't give a shit what you think. Your opinion is of no interest to most people. I only told the truth, and you can not accept the truth. Your bruised ego won't allow it.

[Kayden Harley]

I kinda have a crush on Danni Daniels.

[Ineeda SM]

If you just view us trans women as a bunch of men, you need to get the fuck off this board.

If that is all you got from everything I have ever said on this site about the girls, then You have just shown how immature you really are. You only read what you want to read, and not what is actually said. Someday hopefully, you may grow beyond that and learn the difference.

[kittyKaiti]

homosexual men

>mfw

[ValerieNelson]

Yeah I knew a couple of you in total denial would give me flack on this one. My own TS girlfriend understands and accepts this as fact. The PM's I have gotten from other TS on this site understand and accept the facts. So why is it that only a couple of you just can't do the same thing and accept the facts?

You keep forgetting that we are talking about biological truth. You were born a male. You took hormones and possibly had surgery to identify as a woman. But you did not magically create a new gender or change the gender you were born as.

A TS woman is a TS woman. She is biologically still a male as Michelle pointed out, and why I used her quote. A biological male fucking a biological woman is engaging in straight sex. What else can you call it? You can argue sexuality all you wish, but facts are still facts.



Yes actually gender DOES equal sexuality. A TS identifies as a woman, and rightfully so. I do not argue about that. But biologically you are still a male like it or not. That is not an insult, it is just a simple fact. If you put your male dick into a GG woman, your sexuality is a male fucking a straight woman. That is what straight people do. If you put your make dick into another TS or another male, your sexuality is homosexual. That is what homosexual men do. This is another one of those facts that you can deny forever,(and I am sure you will) but it is still a fact.

My favorite quote.....
“A fact is a fact. It means the statements of an issue are proven, confirmed, and verified as total honesty and truthful.
When you state a fact you tell the truth. When you dispute the fact, you’re
either lying deliberately, or you are just plumb stupid.”
....................Mark Twain.



No that is not what happened at all. It was just you and 2 others that have one track minds which go against all known facts, who made the argument but never proved your self. And of course you did not read every word I wrote and took your own take on it, which was false.

Well I am ready for the strong denial arguments, so go ahead.


Why does it matter if the TS identifies as a lesbian to you and not straight?

[Ineeda SM]

Kitty that is two days in a row I have :iagree: 100% with you!

As for you James, you have done nothing but make a complete ass of yourself from your first post on this site. You have gone beyond the ridiculous, and absurd. Anyone can go back and read the pathetic crap you have engaged in in every thread you started. You are nothing more than a troll and a fake. You will agree with anyone who speaks against anything that anyone says against your absurd words.

More and more people are seeing through your lies and bull shit you post just to stir people up and get arguments going for your personal entertainment. You do it because you love the arguments against you. I guess you are patting yourself on the back because once again you have succeeded in getting people to fight while you sit back and laugh at us all.

In reality, you hate all of us because we are gay and TS which goes against everything you and your GOP assholes believe in. So you are getting even by starting arguments with lies and bull shit that you make up at random. There are still a few that listen to you, but with each thread you start, more and more people are seeing what a fake and an instigator you are. They say What goes around, comes around. Your day will come.

[kittyKaiti]

In reality, you hate all of us because we are gay and TS which goes against everything you and your GOP assholes believe in. So you are getting even by starting arguments with lies and bull shit that you make up at random. There are still a few that listen to you, but with each thread you start, more and more people are seeing what a fake and an instigator you are. They say What goes around, comes around. Your day will come.

Speak for yourself, faggot.

[AmyDaly]

Yes I am sure you see it that way. I am not surprised. But I also know through PM's from many of the girls here that you are one of a couple girls who feel that way. So basically, I don't give a shit what you think. Your opinion is of no interest to most people. I only told the truth, and you can not accept the truth. Your bruised ego won't allow it.
If you really didn't give a shit what I think, you wouldn't be raging so hard at my responses. "Noone cares what your opinion is" bla bla bla. Cry some more. I might have a bit ego when it comes to knowledge of things that I have experience in, but I know and accept when I am wrong. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that when I debate with you though lol.

It doesn't sound to me like you have a whole lot of people here agreeing with you does it? Does anyone agree with anything Ineeda SM is saying?

[AmyDaly]

Speak for yourself, faggot.

Kitty, let me know next time you are in LA, so we can get you some more dvd work : )

[Ineeda SM]

Why does it matter if the TS identifies as a lesbian to you and not straight?

Valerie, it is not about what women identify as. It is about the truth of who and what you are. People keep saying that labels are not important, and for the most part, I agree with that. But if anyone needs to use a label for themselves, at least use the right one, and don't try to be something they are not, just because it sounds better. There is nothing wrong with the truth. We all are what we are. And nobody should be ashamed of it.

We all know about how TS women become TS women. We know why most of them do it, and we respect their wishes to be identified as women. Some do it just for the porn money. So sad. But most do it for themselves, and that is wonderful. Anyone who has actually read and understands every word I have ever posted on this site, knows that I always treat the girls right and with respect. The only exception is those who decide to treat me badly, then I respond in kind.

I am just so sick of the labels being misused just for vanity reasons. It makes no sense. You are what you are. So what? Be proud of it and stop denying the truth. It won't change how us guys or the fans feel about them.

[kittyKaiti]

Kitty, let me know next time you are in LA, so we can get you some more dvd work : )

WOOT WOOT!! I'll let ya know. :wiggle:

[Ineeda SM]

Speak for yourself, faggot.

Do you answer for James the pretender now? That comment was directed at him and not you.

To prove your immaturity, calling a Bi/gay man a faggot is not an insult. But I know you thought it was. LMAO!

[Merkurie]

Are you saying that a TS woman cannot identify as a lesbian?

[AmyDaly]

calling a Bi/gay man a faggot is not an insult. But I know you thought it was. LMAO!
Ahhhh now it explains it....lulz

[Ineeda SM]

Ahhhh now it explains it....lulz

Why? You mean that you just found out? I have never hid that I was Bisexual. If you actually read what I have posted in hundreds of threads, you would have known it a long time ago. Just more proof that you only read what you want to read, and never what is actually said.

[Ineeda SM]

Are you saying that a TS woman cannot identify as a lesbian?

She can if it makes her feel better. But in reality, it is impossible for a biologic male to be a lesbian.

[kittyKaiti]

Why? You mean that you just found out? I have never hid that I was Bisexual. If you actually read what I have posted in hundreds of threads, you would have known it a long time ago. Just more proof that you only read what you want to read, and never what is actually said.

Stop trying to impose your gay agenda into the transsexual community. You fucking gay men, crossdressers and drag queens need to know your place. Gay =/= transsexual. Stop trying to compare yourselves to transsexuals, all you do is induce the stigmas that half the world believes to be true because people like you try to include yourselves with OUR community. We have enough hatred to deal with in our lives with people believing transsexuals are just gay men that dress up to fuck other homos.

[Merkurie]

She can if it makes her feel better. But in reality, it is impossible for a biologic male to be a lesbian.

No it is not.

[ValerieNelson]

Valerie, it is not about what women identify as. It is about the truth of who and what you are. People keep saying that labels are not important, and for the most part, I agree with that. But if anyone needs to use a label for themselves, at least use the right one, and don't try to be something they are not, just because it sounds better. There is nothing wrong with the truth. We all are what we are. And nobody should be ashamed of it.

We all know about how TS women become TS women. We know why most of them do it, and we respect their wishes to be identified as women. Some do it just for the porn money. So sad. But most do it for themselves, and that is wonderful. Anyone who has actually read and understands every word I have ever posted on this site, knows that I always treat the girls right and with respect. The only exception is those who decide to treat me badly, then I respond in kind.

I am just so sick of the labels being misused just for vanity reasons. It makes no sense. You are what you are. So what? Be proud of it and stop denying the truth. It won't change how us guys or the fans feel about them.


Sadly hun, those girls that are labeling themselves lesbians are not doing it for vanity's sake. They identify as women, so they are taking the label for their sexual orientation as a Cis-woman would.

[AmyDaly]

Stop trying to impose your gay agenda into the transsexual community. You fucking gay men, crossdressers and drag queens need to know your place. Gay =/= transsexual. Stop trying to compare yourselves to transsexuals, all you do is induce the stigmas that half the world believes to be true because people like you try to include yourselves with OUR community. We have enough hatred to deal with in our lives with people believing transsexuals are just gay men that dress up to fuck other homos.

lol...Its ridiculous how some of these gay men these days think and like to classify transwomen.

[Ineeda SM]

Stop trying to impose your gay agenda into the transsexual community. You fucking gay men, crossdressers and drag queens need to know your place. Gay =/= transsexual. Stop trying to compare yourselves to transsexuals, all you do is induce the stigmas that half the world believes to be true because people like you try to include yourselves with OUR community. We have enough hatred to deal with in our lives with people believing transsexuals are just gay men that dress up to fuck other homos.

That's even more funny. You just told all of your fans to shut the fuck up, and you don't even realize it. Nice going.

Please show me the exact line where I am trying to compare myself to any TS? Why would I even try to do that? Gay and TS are different people. Ahhhh but I forget who I am talking to. Closed minded spoiled little egotistical girl. Never mind. Carry on.

[AmyDaly]

closed minded spoiled little egotistical girl. Never mind. Carry on.

Everyone who thinks you are wrong is just closed minded! Its YOU who is right and everyone else who is wrong. I sure don't see anyone coming to your defense or agreeing with you. Everyone's closed minded on hung angels damn!

[Ineeda SM]

No it is not.

So you are saying it is possible for a male to be a lesbian? Please explain how this is done.

[AmyDaly]

So you are saying it is possible for a male to be a lesbian? Please explain how this is done.
lol so now we are males. The things these gays come up with. I mean guys.

[Ineeda SM]

Everyone who thinks you are wrong is just closed minded! Its YOU who is right and everyone else who is wrong. I sure don't see anyone coming to your defense or agreeing with you. Everyone's closed minded on hung angels damn!

Ahhh Now YOU are answering for Kitty. Can't any of you fight your own battles? Then again, if the shoe fits......... And you need to stop putting your words into my mouth. That is something you do an awful lot when you have no defense. I never said or implied that EVERYONE on this site is closed minded. That comment was directed only to Kitty and you know it. So does everyone else who can read.

You don't see the PM's I have from several people who are laughing their asses off at you. I don't blame them at all for not wasting their time on fools like you. Come to think of it, why should I waste my time on a fool like you. You are now on ignore. See ya.

[AmyDaly]

You don't see the PM's I have from several people who are laughing their asses off at you.

lol Anyone who is PMing you can post right here in this thread if they agree with you so much. Otherwise, you are just a gay man posting your opinions on transgender women that nobody else here seems to be on your side for.

[Merkurie]

So you are saying it is possible for a male to be a lesbian? Please explain how this is done.

Try starting at thread 1 page 1 of Hungangels and reading your way into the 20th century.

What you are doing is attempting to dismiss the entire transsexual experience and call it "truth", because in your mind a person born male can never be a woman, a person with a penis is always a man. -- so when you say "TS woman" you are just being patronizing.

[kittyKaiti]

You don't see the PM's I have from several people who are laughing their asses off at you.

pics or it didn't happen, lulz

[giovanni_hotel]

Gender manifests from in the head. It's psychological.
Your sex - genitalia - doesn't determine gender.

I know that a TG can be a lezzie, but it's still a little confusing when you look at it from a superficial point of view.
It's not a man who decided to become a woman who then decides they are attracted to women.

We're talking about a woman who was born in a man's body as a child who transitions her physique to match her mental state/gender, then discovers she's attracted to women.

For the record, I don't get GG lesbians either!!!;)

It's fine for self identified gay men to be attracted to trans women, but it really pisses me off when they pull the 'you're a dude like me anyway' card.

Part the reason many TGs HATE homos is precisely because of this conflict.

[AmyDaly]

pics or it didn't happen, lulz

incoming shops lol

[giovanni_hotel]

Try starting at thread 1 page 1 of Hungangels and reading your way into the 20th century.

What you are doing is attempting to dismiss the entire transsexual experience and call it "truth", because in your mind a person born male can never be a woman, a person with a penis is always a man. -- so when you say "TS woman" you are just being patronizing.

The worst kind of condescension. :moon

[ValerieNelson]

Gender manifests from in the head. It's psychological.
Your sex - genitalia - doesn't determine gender.

I know that a TG can be a lezzie, but it's still a little confusing when you look at it from a superficial point of view.
It's not a man who decided to become a woman who then decides they are attracted to women.

We're talking about a woman who was born in a man's body as a child who transitions her physique to match her mental state/gender, then discovers she's attracted to women.

For the record, I don't get GG lesbians either!!!;)

It's fine for self identified gay men to be attracted to trans women, but it really pisses me off when they pull the 'you're a dude like me anyway' card.

Part the reason many TGs HATE homos is precisely because of this conflict.


Yep that card does start some battles!

[tsmandy]

Bla bla bla.

If a hole is wet and warm its fuckable.

Funny how many of these "butch" ladies I know or have had sex with.

I fuck all bodies. That makes me FAB.

I don't care what anyone says, I get to fuck amazing people with mad skills. That's about all I care about.

Time to embrace the coming chaos and free yourselves from minuscule little concepts of reductive gender binaries. Boring. Antiquated. The gender apocalypse is coming.

[MdR Dave]

Bla bla bla.

The gender apocalypse is coming.

If today is the apocalypse, then tomorrow we've got problems.

Want to help me break the seventh seal?

[tsmandy]

Problems of the most awesome kind.

Time for everyone to up the horny & down the self loathing. Rub your dicks more, type less.

http://www.kinkondemand.com/kod/shoot/18342-Tori-Lux-DPed-by-Transsexuals.html

Danni's a badass lady. She's my dream man. She doesn't give a fuck what people call her, and I think that's hot.

[bobvela]

You seem to be the closest to what I'd call the right answer, but not quite there.

Over the years when I'd be asked why I like t-girls, I'd reply something to the effect of "It’s not that I like t-girls specifically… I like girls period, be they blondes, brunets, redheads or t-girls.”

At the end of the day... there is a series of spectrums on which we all have things we like. Darker or lighter. Taller or shorter. Larger or thinner. Busty or flat. Smarter or dumber. Femme or butch… and many many more.

The one area most guys on this site likely will side with is ‘hung’ on the spectrum of ‘Hung or not hung’... beyond that... girls come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and femininity.

We all look for and hopefully find the combination that gets us going and gets us to pay for a website, a night or two, or a lifetime with that someone special... an area that is little different than here (other than the broader acceptance there).

[BiBoyinBeantown]

Want to help me break the seventh seal?

I can't imagine being that desperate for a half-hour of silence.

[MdR Dave]

I can't imagine being that desperate for a half-hour of silence.

But it brings. . .ah, never mind. Look- boobies!

[TSMichelleAustin]

I kinda have a crush on Danni Daniels.

Met her in person! SHe is very fem and fucking hot! Id let her fuck me! LOL


Michelle, I used your quote from the other thread because it was the words of a well known TS that said you are all still biologically males. That was the only reason, and it is also why I did not edit your quote in any way. If I was out of line for doing that, I humbly apologize. But I needed the words from a true TS woman to show that this was not just my personal opinions, but rather true facts. You have read many of my posts here praising the girls, including yourself. If they don't know how I feel by now, they never will.

But I find it very interesting that YOU, a TS woman can clearly state that all TS women are still biologically males, and you got absolutely no flack from anyone about that in any way. But when me, a bisexual male says the same thing, I get jumped on by a couple of ladies in complete denial of the facts. I guess I can just accept it as who they are, and just pass it off as their ignorance.

Not mad at all! I just had to state why I said it that way to Erika! I personally think she is a fake!

[KittyPride]

we are all very different...but when you find someone that you love and loves you...the only labels that matter are the one's you two cherish for yourselves in order to be together.
Its not important what other people say and think.

What I have always found amazing is that I always was a woman inside... but now that my outside physique really matches it, its not just recognised by girlfriends but by guys too. Still I am really the same person as I was. My genderidentity has always been fixed.

I think labels work in the same way. Its a form of communicating who you are, what you want and expect.

But labels mean different things for different people. Which is what makes this all so confusing. Its almost as if we need to learn to speak eachothers language...and we really must make an effort to understand eachother....or the miscommunication might go on forever...

[BigDF]

Well, Erika, I hope you are proud of yourself as you've got them all cranked up and arguing again.:dancing:

[amberskyi]

Yeah I knew a couple of you in total denial would give me flack on this one. My own TS girlfriend understands and accepts this as fact. The PM's I have gotten from other TS on this site understand and accept the facts. So why is it that only a couple of you just can't do the same thing and accept the facts?

You keep forgetting that we are talking about biological truth. You were born a male. You took hormones and possibly had surgery to identify as a woman. But you did not magically create a new gender or change the gender you were born as.

A TS woman is a TS woman. She is biologically still a male as Michelle pointed out, and why I used her quote. A biological male fucking a biological woman is engaging in straight sex. What else can you call it? You can argue sexuality all you wish, but facts are still facts.



Yes actually gender DOES equal sexuality. A TS identifies as a woman, and rightfully so. I do not argue about that. But biologically you are still a male like it or not. That is not an insult, it is just a simple fact. If you put your male dick into a GG woman, your sexuality is a male fucking a straight woman. That is what straight people do. If you put your make dick into another TS or another male, your sexuality is homosexual. That is what homosexual men do. This is another one of those facts that you can deny forever,(and I am sure you will) but it is still a fact.

My favorite quote.....
“A fact is a fact. It means the statements of an issue are proven, confirmed, and verified as total honesty and truthful.
When you state a fact you tell the truth. When you dispute the fact, you’re
either lying deliberately, or you are just plumb stupid.”
....................Mark Twain.



No that is not what happened at all. It was just you and 2 others that have one track minds which go against all known facts, who made the argument but never proved your self. And of course you did not read every word I wrote and took your own take on it, which was false.

Well I am ready for the strong denial arguments, so go ahead.



i just love when people use that whole "your are biologically male" argument because while we may have penises there are SEVERAL internal differences between me and the typical male.
hormones doesnt just give you great skin,titts and ass.it actually over the course of time changes the very way our bodies function and form.our internal organs (brain,heart,prostate gland,etc)actually physically changes and function as close to normal female as possible...which is why you have to worry about prostate cancer (our prostates actually shrink dramatically because women dont have them) and i dont :P lol
so while we may not be females we are not technically biological males either...anymore

[slingblade]

Ok then Mr Sexuality professor, what do you call a Transsexual Woman who only likes Women(ts women or gg women)?

Oh so help me if you say we are straight....

And so many people don't understand that Gender does not = Sexuality. Just Being trans doesn't mean you are gay or straight. Some people just don't have the capacity in their brains to get it through their heads.

what do you call a Transsexual Woman who only likes Women(ts women or gg women)?

I call it someone who should have just stayed a man if thats what you want then why not just save time and money with all the confusion? Once someone becomes a transsexual that ass should belong to a man!

[bte]

what do you call a Transsexual Woman who only likes Women(ts women or gg women)?

I call it someone who should have just stayed a man if thats what you want then why not just save time and money with all the confusion? Once someone becomes a transsexual that ass should belong to a man!

You do know that sexuality and gender are two different things?

[LibertyHarkness]

i like men and women ..i am bisexual... all the time my cock works i will use it on women/ts ...when it doesnt work i will just use my tongue :)

i know many bisexual females so it is no different to have bisexual Transsexual women , or bisexual men ... to be gay is to only like your same sex ... Gay men tend not to like Transsexuals sexually .....

I just deem all men that sleep with transsexuals as bisexual .