Confessions of a Tranny Chaser

[soul4real]

Yeah im over here smoking and sipping on patron and I felt as though this is a good place to vent lol. Fellas are you personally happy with yourself as a tranny chaser? Assessing my goals for the new year, and falling off my daily to do list today, has me doing a lot of self reflecting. I and to put it frankly I'm not to happy with myself as a tranny chaser.

Sucks to say. Many guys will hem and hall and not agree. But I feel like somewhere about 4 or 5 years ago now maybe longer i slide down a slippery slope of sexual escapades thats opened a Pandora's box I never intended to peek into. issues of( dealing with a girl who escorts, knowing your girl is fucking other guys, health risks associated with it, hell with the fact that all this behavior more "high risk" period weather playing safe or not, the fact your girl does porn, or the introduction into gay culture and acceptance of her friends, the issue long term of children, marriage ) I'm not sure how many other guys have had this "regret" feeling. I've heard girls say all straight closeted dudes trip as soon as they bust a nut. But for me it goes deeper.
Pre-Tranny chasing i was sexually open, orgies, swinger parties no male play guys never were attractive to me, then i was in Vancouver and met a TS in a club. Threw me off because she was beautiful and she told me at the club, i didn't get with her, but i still felt attracted. By chance of seeing some ts porn i was more drawn.. the rest is history so to speak..


But I really feel like i have to admit the "chase" aspect does play a part, us guys spending time admiring transsexual women online puts them on a pedestal that wack. For lack of a better words i feel like I really lost my swag fucking with TS women.
I'm sorry if it sounds childish or immature but i feel like i was much more of a "player" pre tranny dating. In the sense of not just playing the field with women, but the aspect of a man must first be assure of himself, respect himself and demand respect from others. That may go over a lot of lame dudes heads but your tricks to begin with. But for my real G's you are kidding yourself to say after admiring these women the way we do you don't lose a sense of your self dignity, as oppose to GG dating.

This is not to degrade the ladies, because that's where my biggest duplicity comes in at is, that i dont feel a regret out of disgust or shame. I feel like i genuinely have met some of the most beautiful people I've met in my life that are transsexual. One i would really consider a close personal friend. To understand the hardships of dealing with transdysphoria, growing up with bullying, family isolation, society criticisms, and to find the strength and swag to pull through all obstacles with or with out a support system and become beautiful enough that us dudes lust after, takes strength that most people don't have. Its sad that most of us spend so much time lusting over these women but wouldn't take the risk of being seen in public with one in front of strangers we don't even know in fear of being judged. Yet we expect to be entertained when we through have ass lude comments. :(

This is far from a let me shit on dudes and big up ladies for love from the women on the boards. its a deep introspective look at myself and who I am, and who I want to be. Socrates most important lesson was "know thy self". I've been with a couple ladies here, some famous, some the envy of a lot of you, and i must say that even though I've been in a semi relationship and loved the woman. I've never fully committed my heart to a transsexual woman. Manly out of the fear of society, family, friends and so fourth, and that is so unfair and selfish. The fact that even though I think sunsyhne monroe, is beautiful, funny and charming, and would be more then proud to risk these things for the chance at real love. But would i honestly be able to show her the love she deserves? being ready for that step with one person. Then lets say the relationship goes bad, your life has been changed forever, and she moves on. (hopefully not we'd be boo'd up for life lol) But the cycle goes back to to many of these ladies we are just "tranny chasers" . I don't know exactly where im going with this rant..

Thanks if you read, please chime in with your views.
Sounds like a depression post, but actually I'm feeling better, taking better care of myself then i have in a long time. and the more I do focus on myself the more it makes me question my affinity for transsexual activities. I guess to judge meeting and dating someone outside of the "e-porn world" is a different scenario. it just sucks this is still the primary place to meet ladies. hmmm

[Jericho]

paragraph is your friend. :shrug

[soul4real]

let me know i to start those paragraphs indented for you good sir

[Jericho]

excellent!

[RallyCola]

Very interesting post.

I take away from that post, that there is a line between fantasy and reality, between internet obsession and real time fun that you feel, in crossing, you've done something wrong or lost something.

You said...

I'm sorry if it sounds childish or immature but i feel like i was much more of a "player" pre tranny dating. In the sense of not just playing the field with women, but the aspect of a man must first be assure of himself, respect himself and demand respect from others. That may go over a lot of lame dudes heads but your tricks to begin with. But for my real G's you are kidding yourself to say after admiring these women the way we do you don't lose a sense of your self dignity, as oppose to GG dating.

so if i am understanding you, you are likening the chase of a GG and the hurdles you go through to PAYING a tgirl for sex. I admit there is no chase with a tgirl that wants your cash. There never has been for any girl that is selling ass...g or t. But that's the point...you are just a client so why feel badly about it.

escorts sell a product. you didn't make them sell it but you want to buy it. if that is a level of involvement you want...there is nothing wrong with it.

you said...

Its sad that most of us spend so much time lusting over these women but wouldn't take the risk of being seen in public with one in front of strangers we don't even know in fear of being judged. Yet we expect to be entertained when we through have ass lude comments.

to which i defend the point of view that anyone providing or selling a service is treated the same. that's the reality of most people who enjoy str8 or ts porn...its entertainment. i am not saying its right...but just that 95% of men that like pornstars (str8 or t) will never meet one of them. there is a disconnect for them as pleasure seekers.


If what you are saying is that you feel badly that you have not pursued a real relationship, not just a financial one with a tgirl, then i WOULD understand your point, but you muddy it up with...


that even though I've been in a semi relationship and loved the woman. I've never fully committed my heart to a transsexual woman. Manly out of the fear of society, family, friends and so fourth, and that is so unfair and selfish. The fact that even though I think sunsyhne monroe, is beautiful, funny and charming, and would be more then proud to risk these things for the chance at real love. But would i honestly be able to show her the love she deserves? being ready for that step with one person. Then lets say the relationship goes bad, your life has been changed forever, and she moves on. (hopefully not we'd be boo'd up for life lol) But the cycle goes back to to many of these ladies we are just "tranny chasers"

I submit to you what is the difference between a relationship with a ggirl YOU love and a tgirl YOU love. Aren't you just a ggirl chaser if a relationship sours and you have to move on? Moreover, if you really did love someone then you'd want to be with them. If other factors play a role in your decision to love and be with someone then I submit that you really didn't love her in the first place. You loved yourself and comfort far more. Its not like you are black and her father is a racist and will shoot you on site for coming on his land. Its not like you are a regular guy and she is a spastic quad in a wheelchair with a severely retarded IQ and pica disorder where you always have your cock in the mouth of a girl who clearly doesn't know any better. If you truly love someone, it shouldn't matter what she has between her legs or what your parents or friends think. if your friends make fun of you for jerking it to tranny porn, its one thing, but to do it when you are in love and in a healthy relationship...its another and as cliche as it sounds...if they are the latter, then they aren't really your friends.


the fact remains that you are labeling yourself a tranny chaser...and that's the real problem. i'm not a tranny chaser...i'm very clear on who i am. you just need to figure out if you are indeed a chaser (whatever that really means) or if you have the ability to not be exactly what you are being...a bit of a hypocrite. you can't condemn yourself or anyone else for using or abusing the products tgirls sell us, be it photos, videos or their bodies...but you also can't feel as if you value them so very much but then admit that you can't marry them because they can't have kids or your friends/family will object...or you will get stared at in Walmart.....you just can't have it both ways.

[GrimFusion]

That sounds overcomplicated as all hell. You miss the thrill of running game because there's no point in doing that with escorts; you'd rather be in a relationship, but you can't hold it down because you're too worried about what other people might think or the drama it could cause, even if you don't necessarily want to admit it.

You've lost your swag because you're not secure about being with tgirls, and in turn, began to question your sexuality... and that's thrown your self-image for a loop. If you really have to question if you can provide the kind of love a transgendered woman needs in a serious relationship, you either can't, or you have some serious reflection to do. That question shouldn't need to come up in any relationship unless some shit is seriously awry.

If I could offer some advice, it'd be go back to the drawing board. Lay some game down on some bitches until you get it back in your system, and if you still want to give tgirls a shot, go into it knowing what to avoid the second time around.

For the record, it's "hem and haw", and I can't remember the last time I've heard anybody use it. Props.

[RallyCola]

That sounds overcomplicated as all hell. You miss the thrill of running game because there's no point in doing that with escorts; you'd rather be in a relationship, but you can't hold it down because you're too worried about what other people might think or the drama it could cause, even if you don't necessarily want to admit it.

You've lost your swag because you're not secure about being with tgirls, and in turn, began to question your sexuality... and that's thrown your self-image for a loop. If you really have to question if you can provide the kind of love a transgendered woman needs in a serious relationship, you either can't, or you have some serious reflection to do. That question shouldn't need to come up in any relationship unless some shit is seriously awry.

If I could offer some advice, it'd be go back to the drawing board. Lay some game down on some bitches until you get it back in your system, and if you still want to give tgirls a shot, go into it knowing what to avoid the second time around.

For the record, it's "hem and haw", and I can't remember the last time I've heard anybody use it. Props.

why not stop paying for tgirls and try laying game down on them seriously. if you want to be a player...with ggirls...that means you aren't interested in a LTR...so just do the same wit ha tgirl if you think that being a client has lost its luster. Either way its up to you to break the cycle one way or another.

[soul4real]

That sounds overcomplicated as all hell. You miss the thrill of running game because there's no point in doing that with escorts; you'd rather be in a relationship, but you can't hold it down because you're too worried about what other people might think or the drama it could cause, even if you don't necessarily want to admit it.

You've lost your swag because you're not secure about being with tgirls, and in turn, began to question your sexuality... and that's thrown your self-image for a loop. If you really have to question if you can provide the kind of love a transgendered woman needs in a serious relationship, you either can't, or you have some serious reflection to do. That question shouldn't need to come up in any relationship unless some shit is seriously awry.

If I could offer some advice, it'd be go back to the drawing board. Lay some game down on some bitches until you get it back in your system, and if you still want to give tgirls a shot, go into it knowing what to avoid the second time around.

For the record, it's "hem and haw", and I can't remember the last time I've heard anybody use it. Props.



yeah i was zoned out when i wrote this it was definitely overcomplicated.. But I think what you said for the most part is on point.

[FreddieGomez]

danm my nigga this is too much to read. lol

but hell naw i aint happy with being a "tranny chaser" for several reasons. i don't think any of these dudes are unless they're some chump who believes anything these chicks say.

first you can barely find one that isnt in the sex industry because if i were to be with a tranny, i don't want one that's been with 1,0000 of men. I'd never date a genetic chick who's trickin so why would i date a tranny who is?

i find it best to just look and not touch. Maybe my attraction isnt as strong as other dude's or maybe i can control my desire?

I feel it's best to never get involved with a tranny due to all the drama and negativity they create for themselves.

[soul4real]

danm my nigga this is too much to read. lol

but hell naw i aint happy with being a "tranny chaser" for several reasons. i don't think any of these dudes are unless they're some chump who believes anything these chicks say.

first you can barely find one that isnt in the sex industry because if i were to be with a tranny, i don't want one that's been with 1,0000 of men. I'd never date a genetic chick who's trickin so why would i date a tranny who is?

i find it best to just look and not touch. Maybe my attraction isnt as strong as other dude's or maybe i can control my desire?

I feel it's best to never get involved with a tranny due to all the drama and negativity they create for themselves.


Fam Patron and sour and realizing instead of being out I'm on HA will have you venting lol

But yo i feel you my dude you end up accepting things with TS's that you wouldn't except in a GG relationship.. Shit throws ya whole swag off.
I'm not even gonna front my dude I feel like hollering at TS threw me way off the GG game. So instead of getting at Tahiry's and Yaris's and love and hip hop chicks. Nigga is to worried about them sheeba's and sunshynes and sexyjades lol

[Dpax]

Nigga is to worried about them sheeba's and sunshynes and sexyjades lol

I understand that this is a bit long but I think you need a bit of education.

This is part of your problem right there. In one breath you’re talking about being tired of the whole “my girl is an escort and fucking a bunch of people” and then you’re talking about the Sheeba’s, Sunshynes, and Jades of the world.

These girls aren’t hiding what it’s about with them so you can’t be upset after the fact. Instead if this is something that you find hard to deal with when in the situation then why put yourself in that situation?

I understand to a point because I do understand that it’s not like these girls are easy to find like there’s a good chance that the girl you meet at the grocery store tomorrow will turn out to have actually been born a boy. I understand how because of the lack of availability and the fact that they all seems to be in the sex industry in one way or another that a person would feel as though it just comes with the territory and to have any meaningful relationship with one of these girls it just comes with the territory.
This was my way of thinking really until not that long ago. This is coming from someone who was in a long term relationship with a transsexual years ago.
I’ve known a number of transsexuals as a result of that relationship and I think I’ve learned a little about what makes them tick throughout the years. (not that they are monolithic).

One thing you have to understand is that no matter how beautiful, or feminine she is, she’s still not a “naturally born woman”. Hormones are a beautiful thing and I am so thankful that they can be instituted in a way that creates such beauty, but there are things that no amount of hormones can change like the brain and particular personality traits. There is a vast difference in the way that the brain of a male vs. a female’s works and this is why you don’t have the same “swag” when it comes to transsexuals. It’s because her “swag” comes from the same traits as yours does.

I know this might be confusing but think about it. See people confuse the notion of femininity and think of it in terms of the way a person looks or acts. The certain way that a girl walks or how soft her voice is, when in fact these things are all illusion. Femininity has far more to do with specific personality traits.

I’ll give you a couple of examples. Because genetic women are the lesser physically of our species, they possess the instinctual feminine trait of being nurturing, but they are certainly not instinctively the “hunter gatherer”. Because of this they choose and love men based on their ability to protect them and provide. Much of this stems from the fact that women are able to bare children and it's that instinctual feminine trait that tells them to choose men that will give their offspring the best chance and survival and success in life. Their femininity tells them that when they find this type of man they are to “submit” to him as he is the dominant. There’s far more to it but essentially this is femininity.

Consequently the masculine trait is one of dominance. It is a trait that leads men to concur what he can when he can and far more value is placed on physical appeal and sexual gratification.
As feminine as a transsexual may be, because of the brain she was born with she will still exhibit traits of masculinity.

For example, how many of you have known a genetic woman that you knew maybe had been a little loose in her past or perhaps at one point worked as an escort or as a stripper at a certain point? She may possess the physical qualities that attract you enough for sex but 9 times out of 10 these aren’t women that we want to marry. The reason is because our masculinity rejects what we feel has already been concurred.

Now on the flip side, how many of you have met a transsexual who the moment they find out that you’re not a virgin with transsexuals they want nothing to do with you? They have a desire to only be with men that have never been with another transsexual because if you have then you have “already been concurred” so to speak. Your sexual past or the fact that you've even dated a single genetic woman is something that would never be a cause for rejection from a genetic woman because this is a masculine trait.

Physical attractiveness is something that is important to both genders but far less with females than it is with males and this too can be seen with transsexuals.

Genetic women as explained before are far more concerned with other aspects of masculinity than physical or outward masculinity because women are instinctively submissive to other traits. But for men physical attractiveness is usually at the top of the list. Because we are instinctively the bread winners we place value on women not based on their ability to provide but rather their beauty. We value women based on the appearance that they give us to the outside world and how their beauty our own image to outsiders.

If we can all be honest with ourselves every man knows that part of what attracts us to a woman is her “trophy status” and what we look like showing her off on our arm.

Many transsexuals will escort and take care of a man that does nothing. He’s exhibiting no form of masculinity that most genetic women demand other than the outward appearance of masculinity. He’s got to look good and have a nice body and that allows him to be her “piece” that she can show off to her girlfriends. This gives him a sense of dependence on the girl and places her in a position of dominance. These are masculine trait.

I’m saying this not to down transsexuals but to simply say that you have to understand them to know how to deal with them and what to expect.
The last thing I want to touch on has to do with the fact that you chose 3 women that all escort and do porn as your objects of affection. There is nothing wrong with admiring their beauty but to take it any further I’d have to say that you’re asking for trouble.

I too admire the strength of and fortitude that it must take to have to endure the scrutiny that transsexuals endure when going through the process of becoming who they are. However many people can’t go through that type of scrutiny without walking away a bit damaged. Have you ever seen a genetic girl on the strip escorting or Eros or in the strip club or in a porno and wondered “what happened in her life that this became her destiny”? Have you ever not thought that she was in some way damaged? So why would you not think the same of a transsexual who chooses these paths.

I understand that there’s a difference in the sense that transsexuals don’t feel complete and many feel that they have surgical procedures that will get them to where they want to be physically. But everyone has choice and there are far more ways than sexual to get there. I know women who have done it in ways outside of sex.

But again everyone has choice and the reason that this seems to be the dominant choice that transsexual women take has far less to do with lack of opportunity than it does with the same masculine traits that causes you to desire sex and money above most anything else. Imagine the combination for a moment and I’m sure you could get hard to.

So my advice would be that there are plenty of women out there who are just as physically appealing to you as the Sheeba’s, and Sunshynes, and Jades, but without the expectation that you accept what would be the unacceptable for a genetic woman.

They aren’t easy to find, but if you can’t I say like Freddie Gomez “look but don’t touch”. In other words appreciate them as objects of your sexual gratification and nothing else.

[ed_jaxon]

The cognitive dissonance you are feeling is natural because the "you" you see yourself as does not match the "you" you have become and it bothers you. Is that a fair statement?

We spend most of our lives trying to overcome the challenges each phase of our lives throws at us. From the child separating from his mother to the old man trying to make sense of what his life meant, we all are going through life's tests all the time.

I am pretty comfortable with being a monger at this point in my life, it works for me. No strings that cut into me with a relationship and I am cool with that. I get to meet and hang with the beautiful girls here that I would not be able to if I was a settled individual with phony, society instilled responsibilities and an image I had to live up to that I did not even enjoy.

A lot of the guys here are cool as hell and I consider them friends. We hang out in different cities, gamble, drink and chase girls. That shit is fun as hell and I am glad these dudes are around me.

In the last five years I had to reinvent myself and I like who I have become. Got my masters from a pretty good school, worked three jobs and always had a little money in my pocket for my nefarious endeavors. Have a wide variety of people I consider friends that I am proud to hang with -- cd's, tg's, gg's and my band of mischief makers always have fun. You won't ever catch me ducking because of what someone else might think.

Funny you mention Jade....we hung with her last year at Rain in Vegas with Foxxy and Victoria as well. Patron, Goose, Crown and Dom. Cat's were asking "who are those guys?" Normally I would not even mention this but it fits in this thread.

Do you.

[needsum]

The cognitive dissonance you are feeling is natural because the "you" you see yourself as does not match the "you" you have become and it bothers you. Is that a fair statement?

We spend most of our lives trying to overcome the challenges each phase of our lives throws at us. From the child separating from his mother to the old man trying to make sense of what his life meant, we all are going through life's tests all the time.

I am pretty comfortable with being a monger at this point in my life, it works for me. No strings that cut into me with a relationship and I am cool with that. I get to meet and hang with the beautiful girls here that I would not be able to if I was a settled individual with phony, society instilled responsibilities and an image I had to live up to that I did not even enjoy.

A lot of the guys here are cool as hell and I consider them friends. We hang out in different cities, gamble, drink and chase girls. That shit is fun as hell and I am glad these dudes are around me.

In the last five years I had to reinvent myself and I like who I have become. Got my masters from a pretty good school, worked three jobs and always had a little money in my pocket for my nefarious endeavors. Have a wide variety of people I consider friends that I am proud to hang with -- cd's, tg's, gg's and my band of mischief makers always have fun. You won't ever catch me ducking because of what someone else might think.

Funny you mention Jade....we hung with her last year at Rain in Vegas with Foxxy and Victoria as well. Patron, Goose, Crown and Dom. Cat's were asking "who are those guys?" Normally I would not even mention this but it fits in this thread.

Do you.

probably the best fucking post I've ever read on this forum. Well said, Ed.

[needsum]

Oh, and Dpax, I'm sorry buddy, but its "conquered" not "concurred"... lol I let it slip the first time I read it, thinkingit was just a type-o, but it kept coming up as I read more so I had to say something.... ;)

[Dpax]

Oh, and Dpax, I'm sorry buddy, but its "conquered" not "concurred"... lol I let it slip the first time I read it, thinkingit was just a type-o, but it kept coming up as I read more so I had to say something.... ;)

Lol.. Understood. Looking at it now I'm like "I knew that. Duh"

[soul4real]

probably the best fucking post I've ever read on this forum. Well said, Ed.


Yeah he really summed it up there.. I just got finished Malcolm X: A life of Reinvention too.. Yeah its the connecting the who I think I am with who I am. this post is real and much needed lol

[soul4real]

Dpax (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/member.php?u=85312) i really think your reply touched on a lot of things that I was feeling and couldn't express through my long rant lol.. Down to the escort taking care of a de emasculated man who does nothing. it is the exact antithesis of what a woman would want. And the conquered expression of how TS women teach you when they know you've been with a TS before.

also as said above.. the fact that some of you have friends that you go out with, know chase girls with must be an outlet. My best friends know whats up but they aren't intrested in hearing details lol

[amberskyi]

wow all these words just to say im insecure with my sexuality and myself as a whole? lol
from a girls perspective at the end of the day "it is what it is". some guys can step up and deal with us on a more intimate and real level while others cant.i only invest myself in a man who i know can be there for me fully.for such a man i have and will again make all types of lifestyle changes.
as far as the other types of men,the ones who are on the low and who are too scared of what society thinks of them i kinda just want to say get over it.my last boyfriend was so great when it came to being open with me.i met his family and everything and *gasp* the world didnt end.alot of the time the insecurity is solely in your head.i cant tell you how many times guys were nervous to go out with me but after seeing how no one really payed us any attention and society responded to me like they would any chick they got over it completely.

[loveboof]

People confuse the notion of femininity and think of it in terms of the way a person looks or acts. The certain way that a girl walks or how soft her voice is, when in fact these things are all illusion.

[Women] choose and love men based on their ability to protect them and provide. Much of this stems from the fact that women are able to bare children and it's that instinctual feminine trait that tells them to choose men that will give their offspring the best chance and survival and success in life. Their femininity tells them that when they find this type of man they are to “submit” to him as he is the dominant. There’s far more to it but essentially this is femininity.


Although I somewhat agree with what you're saying, I know a few feminists who would be pretty annoyed with that!

You're also quite lucky that most of the girls here won't be arsed to read your long post... lol



from a girls perspective at the end of the day "it is what it is". some guys can step up and deal with us on a more intimate and real level while others cant.i only invest myself in a man who i know can be there for me fully.
my last boyfriend was so great when it came to being open with me.i met his family and everything and *gasp* the world didnt end.alot of the time the insecurity is solely in your head.
I agree with you, except that view does only consider your perspective! Some families are just more liberal and understanding than others - meaning it isn't a level playing field out there for the guys who want to 'step up and deal with it'. Yeah, the world isn't going to end if you alienate yourself from all your family and friends - but for a lot of guys that isn't an appealing risk to take... lol

I'd like to think that if I truly loved someone nothing like that would be an issue, but I can't say for sure until I'm in such a position. Personally I respect the honesty from the OP though - surely his openness about his confusion is admirable?

[Deja Vu]

its not only in your head. people will judge you. but who cares? its your life and you do what makes you & yours happy, whether they be gg, ts or a midget.

[amberskyi]

I understand that this is a bit long but I think you need a bit of education.

This is part of your problem right there. In one breath you’re talking about being tired of the whole “my girl is an escort and fucking a bunch of people” and then you’re talking about the Sheeba’s, Sunshynes, and Jades of the world.

These girls aren’t hiding what it’s about with them so you can’t be upset after the fact. Instead if this is something that you find hard to deal with when in the situation then why put yourself in that situation?

I understand to a point because I do understand that it’s not like these girls are easy to find like there’s a good chance that the girl you meet at the grocery store tomorrow will turn out to have actually been born a boy. I understand how because of the lack of availability and the fact that they all seems to be in the sex industry in one way or another that a person would feel as though it just comes with the territory and to have any meaningful relationship with one of these girls it just comes with the territory.
This was my way of thinking really until not that long ago. This is coming from someone who was in a long term relationship with a transsexual years ago.
I’ve known a number of transsexuals as a result of that relationship and I think I’ve learned a little about what makes them tick throughout the years. (not that they are monolithic).

One thing you have to understand is that no matter how beautiful, or feminine she is, she’s still not a “naturally born woman”. Hormones are a beautiful thing and I am so thankful that they can be instituted in a way that creates such beauty, but there are things that no amount of hormones can change like the brain and particular personality traits. There is a vast difference in the way that the brain of a male vs. a female’s works and this is why you don’t have the same “swag” when it comes to transsexuals. It’s because her “swag” comes from the same traits as yours does.

I know this might be confusing but think about it. See people confuse the notion of femininity and think of it in terms of the way a person looks or acts. The certain way that a girl walks or how soft her voice is, when in fact these things are all illusion. Femininity has far more to do with specific personality traits.

I’ll give you a couple of examples. Because genetic women are the lesser physically of our species, they possess the instinctual feminine trait of being nurturing, but they are certainly not instinctively the “hunter gatherer”. Because of this they choose and love men based on their ability to protect them and provide. Much of this stems from the fact that women are able to bare children and it's that instinctual feminine trait that tells them to choose men that will give their offspring the best chance and survival and success in life. Their femininity tells them that when they find this type of man they are to “submit” to him as he is the dominant. There’s far more to it but essentially this is femininity.

Consequently the masculine trait is one of dominance. It is a trait that leads men to concur what he can when he can and far more value is placed on physical appeal and sexual gratification.
As feminine as a transsexual may be, because of the brain she was born with she will still exhibit traits of masculinity.

For example, how many of you have known a genetic woman that you knew maybe had been a little loose in her past or perhaps at one point worked as an escort or as a stripper at a certain point? She may possess the physical qualities that attract you enough for sex but 9 times out of 10 these aren’t women that we want to marry. The reason is because our masculinity rejects what we feel has already been concurred.

Now on the flip side, how many of you have met a transsexual who the moment they find out that you’re not a virgin with transsexuals they want nothing to do with you? They have a desire to only be with men that have never been with another transsexual because if you have then you have “already been concurred” so to speak. Your sexual past or the fact that you've even dated a single genetic woman is something that would never be a cause for rejection from a genetic woman because this is a masculine trait.

Physical attractiveness is something that is important to both genders but far less with females than it is with males and this too can be seen with transsexuals.

Genetic women as explained before are far more concerned with other aspects of masculinity than physical or outward masculinity because women are instinctively submissive to other traits. But for men physical attractiveness is usually at the top of the list. Because we are instinctively the bread winners we place value on women not based on their ability to provide but rather their beauty. We value women based on the appearance that they give us to the outside world and how their beauty our own image to outsiders.

If we can all be honest with ourselves every man knows that part of what attracts us to a woman is her “trophy status” and what we look like showing her off on our arm.

Many transsexuals will escort and take care of a man that does nothing. He’s exhibiting no form of masculinity that most genetic women demand other than the outward appearance of masculinity. He’s got to look good and have a nice body and that allows him to be her “piece” that she can show off to her girlfriends. This gives him a sense of dependence on the girl and places her in a position of dominance. These are masculine trait.

I’m saying this not to down transsexuals but to simply say that you have to understand them to know how to deal with them and what to expect.
The last thing I want to touch on has to do with the fact that you chose 3 women that all escort and do porn as your objects of affection. There is nothing wrong with admiring their beauty but to take it any further I’d have to say that you’re asking for trouble.

I too admire the strength of and fortitude that it must take to have to endure the scrutiny that transsexuals endure when going through the process of becoming who they are. However many people can’t go through that type of scrutiny without walking away a bit damaged. Have you ever seen a genetic girl on the strip escorting or Eros or in the strip club or in a porno and wondered “what happened in her life that this became her destiny”? Have you ever not thought that she was in some way damaged? So why would you not think the same of a transsexual who chooses these paths.

I understand that there’s a difference in the sense that transsexuals don’t feel complete and many feel that they have surgical procedures that will get them to where they want to be physically. But everyone has choice and there are far more ways than sexual to get there. I know women who have done it in ways outside of sex.

But again everyone has choice and the reason that this seems to be the dominant choice that transsexual women take has far less to do with lack of opportunity than it does with the same masculine traits that causes you to desire sex and money above most anything else. Imagine the combination for a moment and I’m sure you could get hard to.

So my advice would be that there are plenty of women out there who are just as physically appealing to you as the Sheeba’s, and Sunshynes, and Jades, but without the expectation that you accept what would be the unacceptable for a genetic woman.

They aren’t easy to find, but if you can’t I say like Freddie Gomez “look but don’t touch”. In other words appreciate them as objects of your sexual gratification and nothing else.



wow so your saying that trans woman have nothing else to offer men and the world at large but sexual satisfaction??? its statements like these that make me such a bitch
i hate when guys generalize trans woman to such a blatant degree...you claim to know us so well but its painfully obvious by your post that you dont really know the first thing about us.for instance your statement about us having a male brain is completely false.when scientific studies have shown that not only have trans women started out with a brain more similar to women (in terms of size,brain activity and etc) but the also the longer we're on a hormonal regimen the more our brain changes as well.your whole argument basically relies on the fact that we have male brains when that isnt necessarily the case.

[soul4real]

wow all these words just to say im insecure with my sexuality and myself as a whole? lol
from a girls perspective at the end of the day "it is what it is". some guys can step up and deal with us on a more intimate and real level while others cant.i only invest myself in a man who i know can be there for me fully.for such a man i have and will again make all types of lifestyle changes.
as far as the other types of men,the ones who are on the low and who are too scared of what society thinks of them i kinda just want to say get over it.my last boyfriend was so great when it came to being open with me.i met his family and everything and *gasp* the world didnt end.alot of the time the insecurity is solely in your head.i cant tell you how many times guys were nervous to go out with me but after seeing how no one really payed us any attention and society responded to me like they would any chick they got over it completely.


All you did was say what my long rant said lol.. I admit I have insecurities with myself.. But i think something changing your personal perception is something that would take time to adjust too. And i agree you shouldn't put effort into a man who isnt willing to be fully open and comfortable with you, that would only be fair. And thats what fucks with me, because I don't want to be the guy incapable of that, because I really feel open, caring. and genuine feelings to women be it TS or GG, but just reconciling that with your girls "whatever it is what it is" attitude towards men. and also the adjustment of the shifting of the power of the courting and dominance in the relationship. and also when your out how do you know its soley in his head? how do you know what his family said to him when you were in teh bathroom? or after you too broke up? do you keep in touch with ex's and see how your relationships effected their lives? These are tough decisions and situations you have already made in your life and got over, its new to men dealing with you. So its easier to get over.

[amberskyi]

Although I somewhat agree with what you're saying, I know a few feminists who would be pretty annoyed with that!

You're also quite lucky that most of the girls here won't be arsed to read your long post... lol


I agree with you, except that view does only consider your perspective! Some families are just more liberal and understanding than others - meaning it isn't a level playing field out there for the guys who want to 'step up and deal with it'. Yeah, the world isn't going to end if you alienate yourself from all your family and friends - but for a lot of guys that isn't an appealing risk to take... lol

I'd like to think that if I truly loved someone nothing like that would be an issue, but I can't say for sure until I'm in such a position. Personally I respect the honesty from the OP though - surely his openness about his confusion is admirable?

like i said,some men can step up while others cant.im not going to waste my time with a guy on a personal level who isnt ready to commit and be open with me fully.
i have no problem with guys who want to keep things on the low just dont expect to be anything other than a client or fan..

[Deja Vu]

everything isn't about you, amber.

[amberskyi]

All you did was say what my long rant said lol.. I admit I have insecurities with myself.. But i think something changing your personal perception is something that would take time to adjust too. And i agree you shouldn't put effort into a man who isnt willing to be fully open and comfortable with you, that would only be fair. And thats what fucks with me, because I don't want to be the guy incapable of that, because I really feel open, caring. and genuine feelings to women be it TS or GG, but just reconciling that with your girls "whatever it is what it is" attitude towards men. and also the adjustment of the shifting of the power of the courting and dominance in the relationship. and also when your out how do you know its soley in his head? how do you know what his family said to him when you were in teh bathroom? or after you too broke up? do you keep in touch with ex's and see how your relationships effected their lives? These are tough decisions and situations you have already made in your life and got over, its new to men dealing with you. So its easier to get over.

i feel we're your coming from.i cant go back and forth on here trying to convenience you that its possible to have a normal relationship with a tgirl.i can only share my own personal experiences and based on that i would say it is.i happen to have a great relationship with his family before breaking up and after.what was said when i was in the bathroom i would never know (probably damn shes tall lol) but i do know that the love and support that his family has for him (and me) hasnt changed because of me or after me.this is just my own experience again.

[soul4real]

like i said,some men can step up while others cant.im not going to waste my time with a guy on a personal level who isnt ready to commit and be open with me fully.
i have no problem with guys who want to keep things on the low just dont expect to be anything other than a client or fan..



See why can't you respect a man opening up, to the fact of opening up? what if you was kicking it with a dude, and feeling him, the time ya'll spend, but he didnt feel ready? you'd just cut him off stop fucking and calling him? if so thats the lack of nurturing that a woman would give.

[amberskyi]

everything isn't about you, amber.

actually yes it is :P

[soul4real]

i feel we're your coming from.i cant go back and forth on here trying to convenience you that its possible to have a normal relationship with a tgirl.i can only share my own personal experiences and based on that i would say it is.i happen to have a great relationship with his family before breaking up and after.what was said when i was in the bathroom i would never know (probably damn shes tall lol) but i do know that the love and support that his family has for him (and me) hasnt changed because of me or after me.this is just my own experience again.



awwwww thats beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And see that's not at all what this post is about! lol

Its about the indivudal losing touch with his own personal swag. Because with out that, he will never have the confidence to take the next outward steps. But it is great that men are there and no i dont think its impossible to have a relationship with a tgirl. I've had semi relationships/strong friendships.. again this is more about reconcilling how this shifts the dynamics of the person you are, versus was pre tgirl.

and I'm sure his family was very proud he brung a beautiful faced, pretty smile, gorgeous eyed, phat azz'd 9 foot amazon wnba chick home.. They probaly figured you was gonna go pro and take care of the whole family

jk

[amberskyi]

See why can't you respect a man opening up, to the fact of opening up? what if you was kicking it with a dude, and feeling him, the time ya'll spend, but he didnt feel ready? you'd just cut him off stop fucking and calling him? if so thats the lack of nurturing that a woman would give.

i would never get involved with a man like that anymore in the first place.i did it already when i was younger.im at a place in my life that i no longer have to strength to invest myself emotional into anyone who cant do the same.ive been hurt way to many times and yes it hurts like hell for someone you love or care about to say they arent ready to be with solely because of something i cant help,my gender

[amberskyi]

everything isn't about you, amber.

oh and ewww at you even having the balls to say shit to me

[soul4real]

i would never get involved with a man like that anymore in the first place.i did it already when i was younger.im at a place in my life that i no longer have to strength to invest myself emotional into anyone who cant do the same.ive been hurt way to many times and yes it hurts like hell for someone you love or care about to say they arent ready to be with solely because of something i cant help,my gender


EGG Zackly motherfucka! lol this post is about the guys perspective that it hurts him to that he's not ready to give you what you deserve. and to feel comfortable how he should.. this is about the other side of that equation boo, and what it takes to get him *there*

[Dpax]

wow so your saying that trans woman have nothing else to offer men and the world at large but sexual satisfaction??? its statements like these that make me such a bitch
i hate when guys generalize trans woman to such a blatant degree...you claim to know us so well but its painfully obvious by your post that you dont really know the first thing about us.for instance your statement about us having a male brain is completely false.when scientific studies have shown that not only have trans women started out with a brain more similar to women (in terms of size,brain activity and etc) but the also the longer we're on a hormonal regimen the more our brain changes as well.your whole argument basically relies on the fact that we have male brains when that isnt necessarily the case.

Go back and read it again. There you go. No the next paragraph. Right the part where I said that there are plenty of girls who won't expect you to accept what you wouldn't consider from with a genetic girl (namely her escorting or porn career). Then read the part where I mentioned that I was in a long term relationship with a transsexual.

If this hasn't cleared up anything then allow my to contort. I never said that all transsexuals should be viewed as just a sexual object. This man was talking about his feelings on dating women and having to accept them escorting and such. I say "no you don't". As mentioned I said that this is how I felt myself until I realized that there are plenty of women who live their dreams without taking the sexual route.

For those that do then I say absolutely view them as they put themselves out there. Or better yet how they view themselves. I'm not saying this to be mean but if negativity was all you got from me on this form I couldn't say to you "how can you view me as being an asshole".

I'm just being real and if we can't be real on a damn chat forum then we've got issues within ourselves.

The deepest love I've ever felt was with a transsexual and honestly don't feel that I'll have that feeling again with a woman outside of a transsexual. But not just any transsexual. Certainly not one that would expect me to compromise my own dignity or masculine trait that causes me to not want someone that everyone else has had, or anyone can have for the right price.

As far as the brain stuff this has been debated and counter debated by many scientist. But again we're talking about specific personality traits and I think that it has been proven that although hormones can cause change chemical balances associated with emotion they do not change personality traits (ego, jealousy, selfishness etc..) or the way in which such traits are manifested which is very different between the two sexes

[needsum]

awwwww thats beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And see that's not at all what this post is about! lol

Its about the indivudal losing touch with his own personal swag. Because with out that, he will never have the confidence to take the next outward steps. But it is great that men are there and no i dont think its impossible to have a relationship with a tgirl. I've had semi relationships/strong friendships.. again this is more about reconcilling how this shifts the dynamics of the person you are, versus was pre tgirl.

and I'm sure his family was very proud he brung a beautiful faced, pretty smile, gorgeous eyed, phat azz'd 9 foot amazon wnba chick home.. They probaly figured you was gonna go pro and take care of the whole family

jk

You have to go back to what Ed said and take it further. As we grow, we change. New things come into our lives and make us look at things with a different persepctive. Sure, you may have played a great game with the ladies. But what if you fell for a GG? your game would be over. yo'd be with "the one" and the need to even have any swagger would be pointless, in this instance.

Why should it be any different with a TS? you've found them, found a place in your life with them, and now suddenly feel like you're a changed man, and it scares you. but hey, you ARE changed. you've found a part of you that you previously never knew existed. Don't try to fight it. its obviously important to you. Don't try to go back to who you were. That NEVER works, no matter what the situation. embrace what you are now. if you find a transsexual girl that makes you feel alive and special, and amazing, and the two of you fit like 2 pieces of a puzzle, then the rest is just ambiant noise in the background of your lives together.

I totally get where you're at, and I sympathize with your struggle. But honestly, you need to shift your focus. You should look at yourself in this new light, and re-invent your swagger. Step it up and know that you can pull anybody you want. That you've got more sexiness to attract to you. GG or TS, its all good. Its all about the same thing in the end. If you met a GG that you fucking LOVED to death, but your friends and family didn't like her, would you stop dating her? I hope you'd answer that you wouldn't. because otherwise you have more to work on. If you did say no, good, because then you will see that there's no difference between her being a GG or her being a TS.

Love is love. if you find a girl and you fall for her, thats all that matters in the end.











Unless of course its a dude in a wig. then we're kicking your ass out of here. lmao! jk :dancing::dancing::dancing:

[soul4real]

again every one is right its about adapting.. And re invention of course.. But this is the pain of that process lol.

[needsum]

again every one is right its about adapting.. And re invention of course.. But this is the pain of that process lol.

you are right, and ultimately you have to endure it alone until one day it makes sense. I wish you luck, my friend.

[FreddieGomez]

i live by the analogy, look but don't touch

[soul4real]

i live by the analogy, look but don't touch


See fam this is where I call bullshit you saying you don't fuck wit ts chicks in real life?

[FreddieGomez]

See fam this is where I call bullshit you saying you don't fuck wit ts chicks in real life?

i havent in a while. it's all the same bullshit.

[soul4real]

i havent in a while. it's all the same bullshit.


Ok but see you did.. then felt you had to "take a step back"
This post was just me drunk going extra on the "step back" lol

But see id rather step back from the online activities and just chill in real world friendships or dealings with a ts chick then to be online seeing porn becoming DE-senstized to things chatting it up all day.

[FreddieGomez]

Ok but see you did.. then felt you had to "take a step back"
This post was just me drunk going extra on the "step back" lol

But see id rather step back from the online activities and just chill in real world friendships or dealings with a ts chick then to be online seeing porn becoming DE-senstized to things chatting it up all day.

yeah and i guess i realized it wasn't for me, even tho i'm still attracted to some trannies.

Sometimes i think maybe i'll find one that aint like the rest but it don't happen. I'd rather not get involved.

I've been in trouble in the past and i've grown up from it and kinda mentally screen peeps and assess whether or not i want to get involved and most of the time i don't wanna bother.

I'm not even messin wit any genetic chicks at the moment. Just doin me and working.

*SOME* trannies are fine but it aint that serious to me personally.

[soul4real]

yeah and i guess i realized it wasn't for me, even tho i'm still attracted to some trannies.

Sometimes i think maybe i'll find one that aint like the rest but it don't happen. I'd rather not get involved.

I've been in trouble in the past and i've grown up from it and kinda mentally screen peeps and assess whether or not i want to get involved and most of the time i don't wanna bother.

I'm not even messin wit any genetic chicks at the moment. Just doin me and working.

*SOME* trannies are fine but it aint that serious to me personally.


word fam thats how this whole shit had me feeling. Bout to just grind focus on me give everything a break. wheter you chasing GG's dating going out clubbing drinking, or ts's its all the same.. everybody need that break and focus back on themselves.

[FreddieGomez]

word fam thats how this whole shit had me feeling. Bout to just grind focus on me give everything a break. wheter you chasing GG's dating going out clubbing drinking, or ts's its all the same.. everybody need that break and focus back on themselves.

true talk my dude.

i mean i'm feelin amber hahhahaa but i keep my distance.

lol

[soul4real]

yeah she's sexy for someone taller then shaq.. lol

Its new year. all about self..

[amberskyi]

yeah she's sexy for someone taller then shaq.. lol

Its new year. all about self..

whos taller than shaq nigga..im 6'0

[soul4real]

whos taller than shaq nigga..im 6'0



It was only a joke beautiful come down.. You are gorgeous, smart, articulate, kind, and somewhat funny, at times, lol.. it was no diss

[ed_jaxon]

Dude was talking about Shaquille Johnson. Over in Bed Stuy, dude is only 5'7. You can post him up.

I meant this as a joke but there are a bunch of little 10 year olds named Shaquille.

[amberskyi]

Dude was talking about Shaquille Johnson. Over in Bed Stuy, dude is only 5'7. You can post him up.

I meant this as a joke but there are a bunch of little 10 year olds named Shaquille.

lmaaooooooo....

[soul4real]

whoa whoa.. I'm not with the 5'7 jokes now lol
that shits just not funny :(

[needsum]

hahahahahaha. Ok I gotta say, this thread has been the best, most well played thread in a while. could have gone a whole other direction, considering the state of affairs this site has been in as of late. Glad we can agree, disagree, comment, and laugh all at the same time and not get all bent about it. :cheers:

[FreddieGomez]

i'm 5'8

[amberskyi]

i'm 5'8

opps that sucks....lol.jk

[FreddieGomez]

opps that sucks....lol.jk

i dont mind being shorter in height.

i make up for it in other ways :P

[Mayrah]

whos taller than shaq nigga..im 6'0

I always thought you were shorter! You sure got a nice big booty for a tall girl :Bowdown:

[Dino Velvet]

opps that sucks....lol.jk

I'm 6'3" and in proportion there. It's White, fat, and angry too.:fuckin:

Schramm Trailer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgk-gBoa54o)

[Yvonne183]

I'm 6'3" and in proportion there. It's White, fat, and angry too.:fuckin:

Oh My,,, 6'3",,, I'd have to wear my goth platform boots while walking by your side,, I'm 5'5"

[soul4real]

I'm 5'7 and 3/4ths lol
But yeah *insert cliche dick joke*

[Dino Velvet]

Oh My,,, 6'3",,, I'd have to wear my goth platform boots while walking by your side,, I'm 5'5"

You're short??? I'm gonna get you in your cage later!!!! I like little girls!!!:fuckin:

[Yvonne183]

You're short??? I'm gonna get you in your cage later!!!! I like little girls!!!:fuckin:

Some guys call me a "little" they like playing the daddy thing with me.

Sorry for going off topic,, the devil made me,,,,, I mean Dino made me do it.

[Dino Velvet]

Some guys call me a "little" they like playing the daddy thing with me.

Sorry for going off topic,, the devil made me,,,,, I mean Dino made me do it.

Call me Genghis Khan if you want. The worse name the harder the dick!
Only 3 on shift tonight. Wait for me, darling. They won't stop me.

[FreddieGomez]

i'm 5'8 and usually like chicks 5'5 and under but most trannies are taller.

[soul4real]

i'm 5'8 and usually like chicks 5'5 and under but most trannies are taller.

yup!!!!!!!!

[Dino Velvet]

i'm 5'8 and usually like chicks 5'5 and under but most trannies are taller.

Funny thing. We're opposites but chase after the same type of broads. How have the Filipinas been treating you? They like me too. Who do their men have sex with? Oh shit, I just figured something out and it's bad too! Never mind.

[soul4real]

Funny thing. We're opposites but chase after the same type of broads. How have the Filipinas been treating you? They like me too. Who do their men have sex with? Oh shit, I just figured something out and it's bad too! Never mind.


See this is where I start my hate lol

tall ass dude's after our good short women like that... nah its all good im equal opportunity. 4foot to 8'9 if they fine. Sexy is sexy.. Hell thats how i ended up liking TS women lol


EDIT even though it be the tall women sometimes with those hateful short dude attitudes lol
Tell they get converted

[amberskyi]

I always thought you were shorter! You sure got a nice big booty for a tall girl :Bowdown:

thanks babe...the booty def helps balance it all out..i love being tall,sets me apart from everyone else so i can shine lol

[Dino Velvet]

See this is where I start my hate lol

tall ass dude's after our good short women like that... nah its all good im equal opportunity. 4foot to 8'9 if they fine. Sexy is sexy.. Hell thats how i ended up liking TS women lol


EDIT even though it be the tall women sometimes with those hateful short dude attitudes lol
Tell they get converted

No worries. I handicap myself being a pathetic drunk. I drink, I fuck. When I get the urge for someone to roll me on the belly I close the tab and drive home bouncing off the curbs all the way into the flowerbed of my front yard. Close enough.

[FreddieGomez]

Funny thing. We're opposites but chase after the same type of broads. How have the Filipinas been treating you? They like me too. Who do their men have sex with? Oh shit, I just figured something out and it's bad too! Never mind.

not many filipinas in my neck of the woods. i mostly stick to spanish chicks.

[Dino Velvet]

not many filipinas in my neck of the woods. i mostly stick to spanish chicks.

Get out here and we hunt together then. It seems insane but it could work like magic. FDR had Uncle Joe. We're both Catholic.:cheers:

Throw me a Spanish chick and I'll catapult another cracker. Let your sulfur creep, Freddie. Now that's Freedom & Justice by any means necessary. They sold me out too.

They'll never call you racist if it's the human race you despise. Help me end them.

The Doors - The End (Apocalypse Now Remix) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rguwtBY-nVg&feature=related)

[Silcc69]

Oh goodness gracious what did I just get myself involved with. Ya'll sum shit ass niggas though man i'm i'm not 5'7 or 5'8. And Amber what up wit you babes I cut my hair off :(.

[Dino Velvet]

Oh goodness gracious what did I just get myself involved with. Ya'll sum shit ass niggas though man i'm i'm not 5'7 or 5'8. And Amber what up wit you babes I cut my hair off :(.

Your words. This time not from me. Beer?:cheers:

[ed_jaxon]

So we got Smurfs runnin around HA?

5'7....5'8???? And below???????

[Ryz]

So we got Smurfs runnin around HA?

5'7....5'8???? And below???????

I know right? lmao

[fred41]

So we got Smurfs runnin around HA?

5'7....5'8???? And below???????

Smurfs and people destroying the English language...


...j/k.

[RallyCola]

hey..the smurfs were a sacred institution of my childhood and a funny movie. don't knock the blue.

[Solitary Brother]

Very good thread.
Me?
I know I like transexuals....I love them I just wont act on it.
I dont seek them out but I am very attracted.
I feel like the girls have WAY more issues than we do.
Ive never been with a transexual but feel it would be hard than dealing with GG.
They say that to us they are just a "sexual fetish" but the way they relate to men is equally warped in my opinion.
I cant help but be attracted to them but getting involved with one for me would be a very high risk...one that I am not willing to take.
I dont want to elaborate on that.
Regular GG's to me are just dry.....compared to a transexual.
It is so frustrating.

[KittyPride]

Hi Everyone!


Thank you Soul4real for your "confession". What I like about it is that you decided that it's unfair to date a Tgirl and at the same time wanting to hide it in fear of people or close friends/family finding out about your girl.

I agree with you. Not because I do not understand it's hard for some of you heterosexual guys to go through all that prejudice sociaty puts us through;

But really because it's humiliating to date ANYONE that is ashamed or afraid to be seen with you. For anybody!!

Please try and understand that.

We girls have dealt with prejudice from the day we were born. A lot of us that are feminine have had to deal with boys that were bullying and demoralising us. We have survived and have come this far that we love ourselves, respect ourselves and demand this from potential partners as well.

You have to understand that dating a guy that expects us to have masculine brains and a kinky masculine sexuality and at the same tame trying to hide where he's after is demoralising for us, and would force us to take a step back in our self respect. You really cannot ask a Tgirl this.
Those guys better date parttimers, transvestites etc, or stick with escorts who are in it for the money or sex.

I find it odd that some of you are complaining that Tgirls aren't submissive and nurtering or feminine while at the same time that's exactly the reason why most of you guys turn to them in the first place.
A lot of you boys even desire dominance from Tgirls.

Its always dissapointing to see that most Tgirl-lovers apparently lack the `will` to see that they are just as prejudiced and judgemental towards Tgirls as the people they are afraid to face when dating one.

For instance.
I am in a long term relationship. I am feminine, nurtering and submissive towards my partner... and I am strictly monogamous. I do not care for him having money nor do I care for his looks. I fell in love with him because of his personality, his heart, his intelligence, humor etc.

You guys are so prejudiced to think that all of us are the same and that we think the same as you do. I don't!

Also, I do not turn men down that have been with a Tgirl before. Its actually a plus because I know he will feel comfortable dating me.

Why I dont like to hang around with Tlovers (and even other Tgirls!!!) is because most of them try to make something of me that I am not. I am not a dominant girl, I am just the girl next door, that anatomically may be a little different from girls, but emotionally I am just the same.

Please understand that it's a very unattractive idea for me to date guys that do not know and understand this. Which is another reason why a lot of T lovers just aren't dating material. Wouldn't you be turned off if your girlfriend told you she likes you just because she thinks you are a girl on the inside?

What makes me different are the things I had to overcome to get to this point. Which makes my world view, and view on life different from people that did not face the same problems. I see that as one of my qualities.

Also, I am not at war with men. I like men to be just the way they are, even when that's not always very likeable. I dont try to change men. But I do expect them to be completely honest with me. Because that's how I am too.

I have great fun dating my boyfriend and we have a very good time together. Its like we have a conventional relationship in an unconventional way. And its perfect for me. I like it when you're friends and lovers at the same time.

I am sorry to hear you guys have had bad experiences with Tgirls. But honestly, what do you expect when trying to date a porn girl or escort?
A lot of them OF COURSE are in it for the money, and sometimes sex.

What's funny is that you guys really remind me of myself and my girlfriends. When they date a guy, and are dissapointed by him, suddenly all men are the same. In the same way you seem to be judging Tgirls. Pretty hilarious !
You just did not date the right girl for you!

If you are looking to hook up with a regular Tgirl, this is not the scene you want to look for them...also; when you think you have met a nice one, make an effort and show her you are genuinely interested. That's because we meet a lot of guys into TS that are ashamed to be with us. She might turn you down very quickly because she feels that you are just playing with her.

Besides. I get nothing but respect as a woman, from both men and woman in my daily life. A lot of fears some guys have about prejudice, turn out to be irrational. The only problem I can think of is that some woman might think that they cant really please a man when he has been with a TS. This is the insecurity of woman. I know all about it :D

Best wishes for 2012!

Kitty

[KittyPride]

You have to go back to what Ed said and take it further. As we grow, we change. New things come into our lives and make us look at things with a different persepctive. Sure, you may have played a great game with the ladies. But what if you fell for a GG? your game would be over. yo'd be with "the one" and the need to even have any swagger would be pointless, in this instance.

Why should it be any different with a TS? you've found them, found a place in your life with them, and now suddenly feel like you're a changed man, and it scares you. but hey, you ARE changed. you've found a part of you that you previously never knew existed. Don't try to fight it. its obviously important to you. Don't try to go back to who you were. That NEVER works, no matter what the situation. embrace what you are now. if you find a transsexual girl that makes you feel alive and special, and amazing, and the two of you fit like 2 pieces of a puzzle, then the rest is just ambiant noise in the background of your lives together.

I totally get where you're at, and I sympathize with your struggle. But honestly, you need to shift your focus. You should look at yourself in this new light, and re-invent your swagger. Step it up and know that you can pull anybody you want. That you've got more sexiness to attract to you. GG or TS, its all good. Its all about the same thing in the end. If you met a GG that you fucking LOVED to death, but your friends and family didn't like her, would you stop dating her? I hope you'd answer that you wouldn't. because otherwise you have more to work on. If you did say no, good, because then you will see that there's no difference between her being a GG or her being a TS.

Love is love. if you find a girl and you fall for her, thats all that matters in the end.


Yes! it's that simple!

[KittyPride]

The deepest love I've ever felt was with a transsexual and honestly don't feel that I'll have that feeling again with a woman outside of a transsexual. But not just any transsexual. Certainly not one that would expect me to compromise my own dignity or masculine trait that causes me to not want someone that everyone else has had, or anyone can have for the right price.

As far as the brain stuff this has been debated and counter debated by many scientist. But again we're talking about specific personality traits and I think that it has been proven that although hormones can cause change chemical balances associated with emotion they do not change personality traits (ego, jealousy, selfishness etc..) or the way in which such traits are manifested which is very different between the two sexes


Unfortunately, a lot of people and T lovers think we must be men.
And i'll tell you what, I am kind of entertained by that idea. Even though it's false. At least, in my case.
Why I like it?
That's because I want to be friends with men, and if giving them the false belief that I think like them, and understand them better helps with that; Why not ? :D

But!
Dpax...
Please listen.

You mention you dont want to compromise you masculine dignity.

But Tlovers ask for us girls constantly to compromise our female dignity. By thinking we have the brains of men, by assuming we have a masculine character, and desiring a masculine sexuality from us.

I dont think it's fair to expect those things from any Tgirl...while at the same time demanding that she's faithfull, submissive, nurtering and feminine.

If you desire a feminine submissive nurtering Tgirl who are not escorts etc... they are out there.

I am in a long term relationship and am monogamous and very submissive towards my boyfriend. Its the way I am wired, and have always been this way.

Therefor I needed a man that would appreciate that. And believe me, in this scene, they are very hard to find.

Cause in this scene, as a feminine Tgirl... Tlovers constantly ask you to compromise your female dignity.
Which is why I have learned to avoid most of them.

Serously... i think you guys really need to wake up.??
You have unrealistic expectations.

xx
Kitty

[msharrow]

Hi Everyone!


Thank you Soul4real for your "confession". What I like about it is that you decided that it's unfair to date a Tgirl and at the same time wanting to hide it in fear of people or close friends/family finding out about your girl.

I agree with you. Not because I do not understand it's hard for some of you heterosexual guys to go through all that prejudice sociaty puts us through;

But really because it's humiliating to date ANYONE that is ashamed or afraid to be seen with you. For anybody!!

Please try and understand that.

We girls have dealt with prejudice from the day we were born. A lot of us that are feminine have had to deal with boys that were bullying and demoralising us. We have survived and have come this far that we love ourselves, respect ourselves and demand this from potential partners as well.

You have to understand that dating a guy that expects us to have masculine brains and a kinky masculine sexuality and at the same tame trying to hide where he's after is demoralising for us, and would force us to take a step back in our self respect. You really cannot ask a Tgirl this.
Those guys better date parttimers, transvestites etc, or stick with escorts who are in it for the money or sex.

I find it odd that some of you are complaining that Tgirls aren't submissive and nurtering or feminine while at the same time that's exactly the reason why most of you guys turn to them in the first place.
A lot of you boys even desire dominance from Tgirls.

Its always dissapointing to see that most Tgirl-lovers apparently lack the `will` to see that they are just as prejudiced and judgemental towards Tgirls as the people they are afraid to face when dating one.

For instance.
I am in a long term relationship. I am feminine, nurtering and submissive towards my partner... and I am strictly monogamous. I do not care for him having money nor do I care for his looks. I fell in love with him because of his personality, his heart, his intelligence, humor etc.

You guys are so prejudiced to think that all of us are the same and that we think the same as you do. I don't!

Also, I do not turn men down that have been with a Tgirl before. Its actually a plus because I know he will feel comfortable dating me.

Why I dont like to hang around with Tlovers (and even other Tgirls!!!) is because most of them try to make something of me that I am not. I am not a dominant girl, I am just the girl next door, that anatomically may be a little different from girls, but emotionally I am just the same.

Please understand that it's a very unattractive idea for me to date guys that do not know and understand this. Which is another reason why a lot of T lovers just aren't dating material. Wouldn't you be turned off if your girlfriend told you she likes you just because she thinks you are a girl on the inside?

What makes me different are the things I had to overcome to get to this point. Which makes my world view, and view on life different from people that did not face the same problems. I see that as one of my qualities.

Also, I am not at war with men. I like men to be just the way they are, even when that's not always very likeable. I dont try to change men. But I do expect them to be completely honest with me. Because that's how I am too.

I have great fun dating my boyfriend and we have a very good time together. Its like we have a conventional relationship in an unconventional way. And its perfect for me. I like it when you're friends and lovers at the same time.

I am sorry to hear you guys have had bad experiences with Tgirls. But honestly, what do you expect when trying to date a porn girl or escort?
A lot of them OF COURSE are in it for the money, and sometimes sex.

What's funny is that you guys really remind me of myself and my girlfriends. When they date a guy, and are dissapointed by him, suddenly all men are the same. In the same way you seem to be judging Tgirls. Pretty hilarious !
You just did not date the right girl for you!

If you are looking to hook up with a regular Tgirl, this is not the scene you want to look for them...also; when you think you have met a nice one, make an effort and show her you are genuinely interested. That's because we meet a lot of guys into TS that are ashamed to be with us. She might turn you down very quickly because she feels that you are just playing with her.

Besides. I get nothing but respect as a woman, from both men and woman in my daily life. A lot of fears some guys have about prejudice, turn out to be irrational. The only problem I can think of is that some woman might think that they cant really please a man when he has been with a TS. This is the insecurity of woman. I know all about it :D

Best wishes for 2012!

Kitty
excellent post-I have dated t girls, travelled and socialised OUTSIDE the bedroom. I am proud to be seen with any of my partners.

[SpoogeMonkey]

heres my thoughts...

I am a chaser who's long since given up actually seeking a fuck. And its the dichotomy of the situation which is tragic in itself.

(for the purposes of typing, I'm going to use tranny to talk about every single mtf transgendered person.. okay? Apologies to the sensitive people but I can't be fucking arsed to ask permission for the correct terminology)

A tranny is correcting natures error and transitioning into a physical woman. They cannot have children, there are some things science cannot adjust. I find this amazing and it it intrigues me. I cant help this, it always has. Theres probably some deep psychological scarring I have but I desire these people. The process to me is amazing for a man to change into a woman. Its sexually stimulating just thinking about the hard male form, being softened, growing breasts and going through the pain of corrective surgery. If i were to pluck up enough courage and pursue this woman as a partner I am called a tranny chaser and thats bad. I will be ostracised.

If i meet a woman who is a tranny, then at some point the tranny must inform me that she was in fact once a male. It seems this is the big splitter and the relationship often dies there, or the man is so outraged that something bad happens. I went out with a girl who was a tranny, she told me and I was fine with it. She was really nice. But it actually became an issue for her because she thought I was with her ONLY for fetish. But I was with her because I liked her. It ended because she kept questioning me all the time.

And there is the problem. I dont believe I am a tranny chaser who wants to find tranny's. fuck them and notch the bedpost. I 'chase' for relationships, but I'm tarred with that brush of hideous sexual danger (I'm anything but).

A tranny wants an accepting man, but he must be accepting on her terms which are the same to a tranny chasers terms anyway.

Maybe a tranny needs to accept their unique situation and be comfortable about being a transsexual. Is it a bad thing if its open and clear? Over the gossip and hurt being in stealth could cause? "thats a man... etc"

Hmmm...

[TsVanessa69]

That sounds overcomplicated as all hell. You miss the thrill of running game because there's no point in doing that with escorts; you'd rather be in a relationship, but you can't hold it down because you're too worried about what other people might think or the drama it could cause, even if you don't necessarily want to admit it.

You've lost your swag because you're not secure about being with tgirls, and in turn, began to question your sexuality... and that's thrown your self-image for a loop. If you really have to question if you can provide the kind of love a transgendered woman needs in a serious relationship, you either can't, or you have some serious reflection to do. That question shouldn't need to come up in any relationship unless some shit is seriously awry.

If I could offer some advice, it'd be go back to the drawing board. Lay some game down on some bitches until you get it back in your system, and if you still want to give tgirls a shot, go into it knowing what to avoid the second time around.

For the record, it's "hem and haw", and I can't remember the last time I've heard anybody use it. Props.
very well put.

[TsVanessa69]

yup!!!!!!!!
I am 5"10 with an hourglass shape. REAL men can handle it and all my boyfriends are shorter than me, but confident in their skills and the fact they had the swag to get with a sexy bitch like me. Its not your height, its if you a REAL man or not.

[Dpax]

Unfortunately, a lot of people and T lovers think we must be men.
And i'll tell you what, I am kind of entertained by that idea. Even though it's false. At least, in my case.
Why I like it?
That's because I want to be friends with men, and if giving them the false belief that I think like them, and understand them better helps with that; Why not ? :D

But!
Dpax...
Please listen.

You mention you dont want to compromise you masculine dignity.

But Tlovers ask for us girls constantly to compromise our female dignity. By thinking we have the brains of men, by assuming we have a masculine character, and desiring a masculine sexuality from us.

I dont think it's fair to expect those things from any Tgirl...while at the same time demanding that she's faithfull, submissive, nurtering and feminine.

If you desire a feminine submissive nurtering Tgirl who are not escorts etc... they are out there.

I am in a long term relationship and am monogamous and very submissive towards my boyfriend. Its the way I am wired, and have always been this way.

Therefor I needed a man that would appreciate that. And believe me, in this scene, they are very hard to find.

Cause in this scene, as a feminine Tgirl... Tlovers constantly ask you to compromise your female dignity.
Which is why I have learned to avoid most of them.

Serously... i think you guys really need to wake up.??
You have unrealistic expectations.

xx
Kitty

Thanks for the response Kitty Pride. I think we're actually closer to being on the same page with this thing than you think. I think that the part of what I've said that seems to be hard for the girls to reconcile with is that I've pointed out a difference between tgirls and genetic women.

Kitty if I gave the impression that these differences somehow make you "lesser than" when compared with gg's that was not my intention. Infact I think that most of what makes you special and different from gg's is good. But there are differences, there just are. Ok forget for a second the fact that yall were born as boys and the biological differeces. Just the fact that you were born as boys and had to transition into the women that you are today in itself is a VERY different experience than any gg will ever have.

I don't know what shapes us more but I know biology, genetics, and experiences all play a role. And for whatever reason, this combination (biology-"Mom, Dad, It's a boy!", genetics-"I got it from my momma"), and life experience is what makes men like us crazy about you.

I simply was pointing out some of the negatives that can be associated with all that I've just mentioned and how those can (not in all cases with all girls) manifest themselves in masculine ways.

But certainly if it was all negative or if all girls displayed these masculine traits, I certainly would have never met my ex let alone felt as strongly as I did for her.

So I don't think my expectations are unrealistic. I'm simply saying that there are girls out there who aren't escorting or doing porn. Girls who just want to live a regular life with a man who can love them, and girls out there who won't treat you like you're made of shit the moment they realize that that they aren't the only transsexual you've ever been attracted to.

[Tina Francis]

...Going through this thread makes me want to turn the lights low and put on some cool, slow, bluesy jazz...

[jm813]

I understand that this is a bit long but I think you need a bit of education.

This is part of your problem right there. In one breath you’re talking about being tired of the whole “my girl is an escort and fucking a bunch of people” and then you’re talking about the Sheeba’s, Sunshynes, and Jades of the world.

These girls aren’t hiding what it’s about with them so you can’t be upset after the fact. Instead if this is something that you find hard to deal with when in the situation then why put yourself in that situation?

I understand to a point because I do understand that it’s not like these girls are easy to find like there’s a good chance that the girl you meet at the grocery store tomorrow will turn out to have actually been born a boy. I understand how because of the lack of availability and the fact that they all seems to be in the sex industry in one way or another that a person would feel as though it just comes with the territory and to have any meaningful relationship with one of these girls it just comes with the territory.
This was my way of thinking really until not that long ago. This is coming from someone who was in a long term relationship with a transsexual years ago.
I’ve known a number of transsexuals as a result of that relationship and I think I’ve learned a little about what makes them tick throughout the years. (not that they are monolithic).

One thing you have to understand is that no matter how beautiful, or feminine she is, she’s still not a “naturally born woman”. Hormones are a beautiful thing and I am so thankful that they can be instituted in a way that creates such beauty, but there are things that no amount of hormones can change like the brain and particular personality traits. There is a vast difference in the way that the brain of a male vs. a female’s works and this is why you don’t have the same “swag” when it comes to transsexuals. It’s because her “swag” comes from the same traits as yours does.

I know this might be confusing but think about it. See people confuse the notion of femininity and think of it in terms of the way a person looks or acts. The certain way that a girl walks or how soft her voice is, when in fact these things are all illusion. Femininity has far more to do with specific personality traits.

I’ll give you a couple of examples. Because genetic women are the lesser physically of our species, they possess the instinctual feminine trait of being nurturing, but they are certainly not instinctively the “hunter gatherer”. Because of this they choose and love men based on their ability to protect them and provide. Much of this stems from the fact that women are able to bare children and it's that instinctual feminine trait that tells them to choose men that will give their offspring the best chance and survival and success in life. Their femininity tells them that when they find this type of man they are to “submit” to him as he is the dominant. There’s far more to it but essentially this is femininity.

Consequently the masculine trait is one of dominance. It is a trait that leads men to concur what he can when he can and far more value is placed on physical appeal and sexual gratification.
As feminine as a transsexual may be, because of the brain she was born with she will still exhibit traits of masculinity.

For example, how many of you have known a genetic woman that you knew maybe had been a little loose in her past or perhaps at one point worked as an escort or as a stripper at a certain point? She may possess the physical qualities that attract you enough for sex but 9 times out of 10 these aren’t women that we want to marry. The reason is because our masculinity rejects what we feel has already been concurred.

Now on the flip side, how many of you have met a transsexual who the moment they find out that you’re not a virgin with transsexuals they want nothing to do with you? They have a desire to only be with men that have never been with another transsexual because if you have then you have “already been concurred” so to speak. Your sexual past or the fact that you've even dated a single genetic woman is something that would never be a cause for rejection from a genetic woman because this is a masculine trait.

Physical attractiveness is something that is important to both genders but far less with females than it is with males and this too can be seen with transsexuals.

Genetic women as explained before are far more concerned with other aspects of masculinity than physical or outward masculinity because women are instinctively submissive to other traits. But for men physical attractiveness is usually at the top of the list. Because we are instinctively the bread winners we place value on women not based on their ability to provide but rather their beauty. We value women based on the appearance that they give us to the outside world and how their beauty our own image to outsiders.

If we can all be honest with ourselves every man knows that part of what attracts us to a woman is her “trophy status” and what we look like showing her off on our arm.

Many transsexuals will escort and take care of a man that does nothing. He’s exhibiting no form of masculinity that most genetic women demand other than the outward appearance of masculinity. He’s got to look good and have a nice body and that allows him to be her “piece” that she can show off to her girlfriends. This gives him a sense of dependence on the girl and places her in a position of dominance. These are masculine trait.

I’m saying this not to down transsexuals but to simply say that you have to understand them to know how to deal with them and what to expect.
The last thing I want to touch on has to do with the fact that you chose 3 women that all escort and do porn as your objects of affection. There is nothing wrong with admiring their beauty but to take it any further I’d have to say that you’re asking for trouble.

I too admire the strength of and fortitude that it must take to have to endure the scrutiny that transsexuals endure when going through the process of becoming who they are. However many people can’t go through that type of scrutiny without walking away a bit damaged. Have you ever seen a genetic girl on the strip escorting or Eros or in the strip club or in a porno and wondered “what happened in her life that this became her destiny”? Have you ever not thought that she was in some way damaged? So why would you not think the same of a transsexual who chooses these paths.

I understand that there’s a difference in the sense that transsexuals don’t feel complete and many feel that they have surgical procedures that will get them to where they want to be physically. But everyone has choice and there are far more ways than sexual to get there. I know women who have done it in ways outside of sex.

But again everyone has choice and the reason that this seems to be the dominant choice that transsexual women take has far less to do with lack of opportunity than it does with the same masculine traits that causes you to desire sex and money above most anything else. Imagine the combination for a moment and I’m sure you could get hard to.

So my advice would be that there are plenty of women out there who are just as physically appealing to you as the Sheeba’s, and Sunshynes, and Jades, but without the expectation that you accept what would be the unacceptable for a genetic woman.

They aren’t easy to find, but if you can’t I say like Freddie Gomez “look but don’t touch”. In other words appreciate them as objects of your sexual gratification and nothing else.




So damn true

[KittyPride]

You guys really need to learn that femininity is not caused by being able to give birth to children.

I find it really silly to go after porn and escort girls and then expecting them to be feminine and caring for you. In this way you make a fool of yourselves.

again: Try dating a regular girl.

[KittyPride]

Maybe a tranny needs to accept their unique situation and be comfortable about being a transsexual. Is it a bad thing if its open and clear? Over the gossip and hurt being in stealth could cause? "thats a man... etc"

Hmmm...

Yes I think that's true, at least it is for me.
I have no problem with being a TS. I am very open about it.
But in my experience a lot of guys into TS dont wont to be open about dating us.

[KittyPride]

A tranny is correcting natures error and transitioning into a physical woman. They cannot have children, there are some things science cannot adjust. I find this amazing and it it intrigues me. I cant help this, it always has. Theres probably some deep psychological scarring I have but I desire these people. The process to me is amazing for a man to change into a woman. Its sexually stimulating just thinking about the hard male form, being softened, growing breasts and going through the pain of corrective surgery. If i were to pluck up enough courage and pursue this woman as a partner I am called a tranny chaser and thats bad. I will be ostracised. .

I can understand your frustration. And you know, its true. I dont have many tgirlfriends because a lot of them were not able to come to terms with themselves and their situation.

For instance. if I were single. I would have no problem dating you. At least not for the reasons you put in your post... and I would not mind that you are a tranny chaser. I actually like that.

I am fascinated with men that like Tgirls... but still are masculine, both in their desire and sexuality. So that fascination would go both ways.

And from my experience; men that are into TS that are otherwise straight men, they can be really cool. Cooler in fact then a man that only would date GG's.

thats how I view it.

[slingblade]

I always thought you were shorter! You sure got a nice big booty for a tall girl :Bowdown:

i bet you want some of that ass too dont ya? :)

[soul4real]

I'm disturbed how this post ended on hate on short dudes :(