Spinoff thread

[FreddieGomez]

I have noticed alot of dudes saying the whole reason for liking a tranny is because of the dick

But that's not the case for every dude. I think of trannies as women, pre or post-op and the dick is optional. I'd still fuck a post-op, i don't give a fuck.

I am not into trannies for the dick, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY TRANNY WANTS TO BE A TOP!

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

This has been my rebuttal to an on going never ending debate.

Thank you and have a blessed new year!

[Tiffany Starr]

I agree, and thats why you should like women. you don't have to focus on the one body part that makes them a little different, often that parts not around forever anyways. Tgirls are beautiful, sexy, feminine, and every bit as female to me as any gg out there.

[Tiffany Starr]

though to be fair I have no issues with dick, liking it does help out for certain....events, but even if I wasn't into dick i would rather it on a hot chick than a guy if I was you.

[Dino Velvet]

1. Conservative White Women I date start boring me.
2. I turn on the computer
3. WTF? HungAngels? OK
4. Confused
5. Horny
6. Unconfused
7. Confused again but now but horny 25/8/3666
8. Eyes of a serial killer in the street
9. Smart women run but plenty of dumb left to stay with me forever

What was the original question?

If you see me put a blonde wig on.:party:

[Silcc69]

I wonder where this one will go to. I hate when tgirls want to try and fuck a guy on the sly. I will suck ur dick but it's not going up my azz.

[Dino Velvet]

I wonder where this one will go to. I hate when tgirls want to try and fuck a guy on the sly. I will suck ur dick but it's not going up my azz.

I see no problem. Lay back and let her be the boss. In the end you'll be The King. I like a gal to worship my scepter. I watch real good and trash talk. Still locking up like a vice so a flea couldn't top me.

Could be worse...

Louis CK Saddest Handjob in America - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmban3Fio14)

[dgs925]

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

Quit your fucking posing, Freddy. Either you are really thick-skulled, and actually don't understand what we've been saying to you all along, or you are just lying to yourself.

It is absolutely true that you wouldn't be into trannies if you didn't like the dick. That is just logic: Genetic women outnumber transsexual women by a longshot. So if you really saw them as nothing but women, then you wouldn't be seeking out this site. If only one out of a thousand women was born with a penis and a Y chromosome, then you would only hook up with Tgirls 0.1% of the time.

But you come to this site specifically to seek out transwomen, just like the rest of us here. Why? Perhaps you like the dick just a bit, eh?

The point isn't that you love the dick only, the point is that you love a female figure and you like the dick. Lots of different people and different tastes around here. Some people are obsessed with the dick, and just go on and on about how nice this girl's dick is or how big that girl's dick is. Then there are others for whom the dick is secondary. For me, the most important thing is that a girl have a cute face. But, I also like dick - no question about it.

You've been told all this before, so I think you are purposely not listening, but here goes again: Do you not like the dick, or is it just that you like it but it isn't the most important thing?

[Dino Velvet]

Some people like doing things that are wrong because they are wrong. Working against your nature can be liberating. Ever see a Mormon go bad? I have more on my couch drinking than knocking on my door trying to show me the light.

Rainbow - Drinking With the Devil - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3ydnBYL5sU)

[Yvonne183]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

People like all different things, some guys like the feel of a whip no matter if the abuser has a penis or not.

[Dino Velvet]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

She who resides 6 floors beneath the sanitarium always knows how to bring us back home. Thank you, dear. Any outgoing mail?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p_kMw4Ia1oI/Ti7m-EAw3rI/AAAAAAAAAPI/TIBcfqW0gUE/s1600/Don%2527t+Look+in+the+Basement-+28+Jul+2011.jpg

[Yvonne183]

She who resides 6 floors beneath the sanitarium always knows how to bring us back home. Thank you, dear. Any outgoing mail?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p_kMw4Ia1oI/Ti7m-EAw3rI/AAAAAAAAAPI/TIBcfqW0gUE/s1600/Don%2527t+Look+in+the+Basement-+28+Jul+2011.jpg

So, you know about the different levels?

[Dino Velvet]

So, you know about the different levels?

I keep hitting the ceiling with a broom when you make too much noise playing with yourself. I'd rather hear the noise above than smell the rotted gelatin beneath that no one seemingly cares to remove and dispose of.

[onmyknees]

dgs925 summed all this up perfectly. I've been on Freddie's ass for a long time about his constant public protestations, and his private trolling. It's actually been a source of mild entertainment for me.
I think one can convince one self of almost anything if one tries long and hard enough. That's why some people can beat a lie detector. That's why OJ was so convincing.
You either dig everything about TS...or you pivot quickly to GG's. I think Freddie's got this denial thing goin' on, and sadly everyone sees it but him. While I'll concede that a gurl cock may not be the first thing to grab his attention, he's sure happy it's there when ( and if ) he gets between the sheets. Freddie....Liberate yourself from your denial. We can help you !!!!!!

[timxxx]

I am not into trannies for the dick

Keep on telling yourself that.

[MdR Dave]

Working against your nature can be liberating. Ever see a Mormon go bad?

Mormons aren't bad but Amish chicks FTW.

Before they commit to the community as adults they are given a free pass for a year to find out what they're missing. When I was in Ohio I would visit a community every month or so to get butter and cheese, and to make myself known to the girls who were coming of age. . .They have a whole lot more pent up than Mormons do. . .


And Freddie- you be who you are, and whoever you become.

[Dino Velvet]

Mormons aren't bad but Amish chicks FTW.

Before they commit to the community as adults they are given a free pass for a year to find out what they're missing. When I was in Ohio I would visit a community every month or so to get butter and cheese, and to make myself known to the girls who were coming of age. . .They have a whole lot more pent up than Mormons do. . .


And Freddie- you be who you are, and whoever you become.

What's this free pass???:crazy

[MdR Dave]

What's this free pass???:crazy

It can be a gift from heaven, brother. The young have known nothing but the community and the thought is that they can't make an informed decision about how they want to live. They can go out and live as they want for a period- call it a blackout- and if they come back to be Amish all is forgotten.

I don't know if that's the case with all the sects but it happens. Oh, brother, does it happen!

[Dino Velvet]

It can be a gift from heaven, brother. The young have known nothing but the community and the thought is that they can't make an informed decision about how they want to live. They can go out and live as they want for a period- call it a blackout- and if they come back to be Amish all is forgotten.

I don't know if that's the case with all the sects but it happens. Oh, brother, does it happen!

It's like leaving the door to Yvonne's cage left ajar for 10 minutes. Thirst. Hunger. Rage. Appetite quenched. Sleep.

[FreddieGomez]

All i can say is this is why most trannies would never date dudes like ya'll in private lives, ya'll so worried about the dick. smh

[Dino Velvet]

All i can say is this is why most trannies would never date dudes like ya'll in private lives, ya'll so worried about the dick. smh

Just pay and point. Then leave going back to respectable neighborhood where no one has found me out. Yet.

[dgs925]

All i can say is this is why most trannies would never date dudes like ya'll in private lives, ya'll so worried about the dick. smh

And they are interested in someone like you, who pretends he doesn't see the dick?

[SunshyneMonroe]

If a guy wants too be with a ts its due too dick......the end

[giovanni_hotel]

Does 'having an appreciation' mean the same as' liking'.....in this case, THE DICK??

I'm not afraid of a tranny's cock. I am not repulsed by it. If I like/love the girl, I dig ALL of her, so to speak. Pre op TGs turn me on in a way that GG women lately don't.

And if I was dating a trans-woman and she got chopped, really my only concern from a selfish point of view is whether she would still be sexually responsive.

It would bug me to be in a situation like with some GGs who can't cum from penetration but claim they love the 'intimacy' of having dick inside them.
Okay. Whatever.

I just don't like that broad phrase of 'liking dick'.

I like TGs with a dick.
I'm not judging but that's just how it works for me.

I didn't know I was even capable of touching another penis until I became aware of transgendered women.

I don't sweat it, but it still does bother me when people say, 'you're a fag for liking trannies because they've got a penis', assuming it's the penis that creates the attraction.

If a girl TG or GG isn't attractive to me with her clothes on, her geneitalia won't close the deal.

I sort of see where Freddy is coming from, but this is a never ending old convo on HA.

[dgs925]

Does 'having an appreciation' mean the same as' liking'.....in this case, THE DICK??

Absolutely it does.





If a girl TG or GG isn't attractive to me with her clothes on, her geneitalia won't close the deal.

I'm with you there.



I sort of see where Freddy is coming from, but this is a never ending old convo on HA.

I think that is because you are both coming from a culture with a large amount of homophobia (pardon me if I'm wrong, I know this is the case with Freddy). In this culture, anything even remotely homosexual is a bad thing, is the opposite of masculinity.

The thing with Freddy is, he truly embraces that homophobic mindset. At least half of his posts are derogatory towards those he sees as being more gay than him.

[Odelay]

I liked, in progression, as I aged:
Young, white chicks,
young, black chicks,
young chicks of any color,
chicks with really hot feet,
hot older women,
hot big women,

and, then some of the types of chicks above, who weren't necessarily "hot"

and finally, chicks with dicks.

There's a lot of ink that's been spilled about male and female sexuality and the urge to constantly seek out the new and exciting. I'm living proof, n=1, or greater.

[Schimmel]

Just wanna post in a Fred Gomez thread for helluvit.

[onmyknees]

If a guy wants too be with a ts its due too dick......the end

Hey Sunshyne.....let me hijack this thread for just a second. I saw that TS Seduction scene ( you playing police lady) you were telling me about. Holy Fuck....You could have named the scene..."Lethal Weapon"...

Pardon the brief time out....you all were saying something about She cock ?

[RallyCola]

well...i think this thread proves one thing...the OP just likes to talk about himself, drop his knowledge, stir the pot and is stubborn. i think we have all learned something.

from one of the hottest tgirls to debut this year...we have the real deal dropped on us...


If a guy wants too be with a ts its due too dick......the end

I'd love to see OP argue with a tgirl about this.

all i can say is...whatever gets you through the day Freddie...but the key to any relationship is honesty and knowing when to avoid it. you must have an awesome and healthy relationship with yourself because you are avoiding the truth as much as you can.

[Dino Velvet]

Hey Sunshyne.....let me hijack this thread for just a second. I saw that TS Seduction scene ( you playing police lady) you were telling me about. Holy Fuck....You could have named the scene..."Lethal Weapon"...

Pardon the brief time out....you all were saying something about She cock ?

I gave it a pull too, Sunshyne. You're a real nice lady.:salad

[RallyCola]

like i said in the other thread...her latest TS Seduction clip is great...but I'm still stuck on the first one.

In fact, I haven't seen a scene yet that has disappointed me except maybe her "first" yum shoot..but that's just they way they do business

[FreddieGomez]

well...i think this thread proves one thing...the OP just likes to talk about himself, drop his knowledge, stir the pot and is stubborn. i think we have all learned something.

from one of the hottest tgirls to debut this year...we have the real deal dropped on us...



I'd love to see OP argue with a tgirl about this.

all i can say is...whatever gets you through the day Freddie...but the key to any relationship is honesty and knowing when to avoid it. you must have an awesome and healthy relationship with yourself because you are avoiding the truth as much as you can.

Sunshyne and i go back to another forum.

I find she isn't worth arguing with.

But if you were to ask her friend Paris, she would agree with everything I say.

[JenniferParisHusband]

I have to agree with Sunshyne. I don't bottom for anyone now, and the one time I tried it, it didn't do much for me. But it's still the dick. Sorry. I don't care if it's just that you like the aesthetic of it hanging down there swinging while you rock them from behind, but if you aren't into at least the look of it, then why are you there? Even on Post-op girls, you can't help but be into the dick, because you can't help but know it was there.

[Dino Velvet]

I have to agree with Sunshyne. I don't bottom for anyone now, and the one time I tried it, it didn't do much for me. But it's still the dick. Sorry. I don't care if it's just that you like the aesthetic of it hanging down there swinging while you rock them from behind, but if you aren't into at least the look of it, then why are you there? Even on Post-op girls, you can't help but be into the dick, because you can't help but know it was there.

Something about me leaning over just so wrong and I like things that are wrong because they are wrong. This is too wrong. I might like T-Girls but don't think of myself as a poof and am too much of a fatso for them to want me to brown their meat anyway.

Hookers are usually relieved to find out I'm Nolan Ryan. My backside like Fernando Valenzuela at his muy gordo-est. Bend over, Trixie. The Express is cumming!:fuckin:

[lisaparadise]

I have noticed alot of dudes saying the whole reason for liking a tranny is because of the dick

But that's not the case for every dude. I think of trannies as women, pre or post-op and the dick is optional. I'd still fuck a post-op, i don't give a fuck.

I am not into trannies for the dick, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY TRANNY WANTS TO BE A TOP!

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

This has been my rebuttal to an on going never ending debate.

Thank you and have a blessed new year!isnt that like eating your potatos and leaving the steak?seriously?what kinda moron wouldnt wanna suck my mrs.wiggly?id kick him outta my house if he didnt do that,maybe even put a hit on him lol.men are my puppets to please me in everyway thats why god made them period.

[Dino Velvet]

isnt that like eating your potatos and leaving the steak?seriously?what kinda moron wouldnt wanna suck my mrs.wiggly?id kick him outta my house if he didnt do that,maybe even put a hit on him lol.men are my puppets to please me in everyway thats why god made them period.

Shouldn't there be an eggplant in there somewhere? Just sayin...

[lisaparadise]

Shouldn't there be an eggplant in there somewhere? Just sayin...you americans amaze me lol eggs dont grow on a plant they come from animals.

[Dino Velvet]

you americans amaze me lol eggs dont grow on a plant they come from animals.

Culture remark, not Agricultural

[postopadmirer]

Quit your fucking posing, Freddy. Either you are really thick-skulled, and actually don't understand what we've been saying to you all along, or you are just lying to yourself.

It is absolutely true that you wouldn't be into trannies if you didn't like the dick. That is just logic: Genetic women outnumber transsexual women by a longshot. So if you really saw them as nothing but women, then you wouldn't be seeking out this site. If only one out of a thousand women was born with a penis and a Y chromosome, then you would only hook up with Tgirls 0.1% of the time.

But you come to this site specifically to seek out transwomen, just like the rest of us here. Why? Perhaps you like the dick just a bit, eh?

The point isn't that you love the dick only, the point is that you love a female figure and you like the dick. Lots of different people and different tastes around here. Some people are obsessed with the dick, and just go on and on about how nice this girl's dick is or how big that girl's dick is. Then there are others for whom the dick is secondary. For me, the most important thing is that a girl have a cute face. But, I also like dick - no question about it.

You've been told all this before, so I think you are purposely not listening, but here goes again: Do you not like the dick, or is it just that you like it but it isn't the most important thing?

To the dick pushers in the crowd...

First transsexual I was interested in was Renee Richards,
Second was Tula Cossey
Third was Roberta Close
Forth was Shannon the porn star (in "Forbidden Dreams")
Fifth was Bibi Anderson


What do they all have in common?
They no longer have a penis, but a vagina!


But thanks for telling me what I like and why.
Thanks very much for clearing that up for me.
Can you now tell me what I should have for dinner, because you seem to know what I like better than I do?
if you sense hostility you are right because I'm tired of people telling me I like what I hate, and I don't like what I prefer.


I've got news for you I hate dick, and I'm not confused or in denial.
That is why I like POST-OP TRANSsexuals.
I weed my way though the flood of pre-op porn to find the post-op stuff, not beause of it.
That is why I am here.
Notice I'm not telling you what you like and why you are here?



ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I LIKE POST-OP TRANSSEXUAL PORN IS because of how a lack of male hormones and an abundance of female hormones change the body. For example the little belly that Ts girls get when the fat grows just below the waist as a girls body tries to pad a womb they don't have. Call it what you want, but I find that little puff of fat sexy. Oh wait, no I don't, because you explained to me there is not a dick involved. Boy I must really be confused, NOT!!!


Why don't you guys go deal with your issues about what it means to like a dick when you are a guy and don't push your preferences on to people who do not share them.




Regards
POSTOPadmirer

[lisaparadise]

To the dick pushers in the crowd...

First transsexual I was interested in was Renee Richards,
Second was Tula Cossey
Third was Roberta Close
Forth was Shannon the porn star (in "Forbidden Dreams")
Fifth was Bibi Anderson


What do they all have in common?
They no longer have a penis, but a vagina!


But thanks for telling me what I like and why.
Thanks very much for clearing that up for me.
Can you now tell me what I should have for dinner, because you seem to know what I like better than I do?
if you sense hostility you are right because I'm tired of people telling me I like what I hate, and I don't like what I prefer.


I've got news for you I hate dick, and I'm not confused or in denial.
That is why I like POST-OP TRANSsexuals.
I weed my way though the flood of pre-op porn to find the post-op stuff, not beause of it.
That is why I am here.
Notice I'm not telling you what you like and why you are here?



ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I LIKE POST-OP TRANSSEXUAL PORN IS because of how a lack of male hormones and an abundance of female hormones change the body. For example the little belly that Ts girls get when the fat grows just below the waist as a grild body tries to pad a womb they don't have. Call it what you want, but I find that little puff of fat sexy. Oh wait, no I don't, because you explained to me there is not a dick involved. Boy I must really be confused, NOT!!!


Why don't you guys go deal with your issues about what it means to like a dick when you are a guy and don't push your preferences on to people who do not share them.




Regards
POSTOPadmirerso what your really trying to say is you like fake pussy because you have a very tiny dick and its no secret that a fake pussy is alot smaller and tighter then a genetic right?why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy.

[postopadmirer]

For all the flames let me give you a little boost,

Dick, dick, cock, dick, bonner, balls, dick, why, dick, Girl, issues, dick, dick, cock, dick, mine, cock.
Who, cock, cock, dick, sack, why, who, dick, balls, dick.


Your welcome.

[postopadmirer]

so what your really trying to say is you like fake pussy because you have a very tiny dick and its no secret that a fake pussy is alot smaller and tighter then a genetic right?why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy.

I like fake pussy!!!
Anybody have free samples?
I'm in a sampling mood.

[postopadmirer]

so what your really trying to say is you like fake pussy because you have a very tiny dick and its no secret that a fake pussy is alot smaller and tighter then a genetic right?why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy.

Irony: attempting to insult somebody's sexuality on a transgender site.

[Erika1487]

Mormons aren't bad but Amish chicks FTW.

Before they commit to the community as adults they are given a free pass for a year to find out what they're missing. When I was in Ohio I would visit a community every month or so to get butter and cheese, and to make myself known to the girls who were coming of age. . .They have a whole lot more pent up than Mormons do. . .


And Freddie- you be who you are, and whoever you become.

Dave are you talking about the 'ladies of holmes county'
:praying::salad:fuckin:

[postopadmirer]

Why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy. Because that is what I like.
Why take the train when you can fly?
Why have pizza when you can have nachos?
Why get up when you can sleep in?Why ride a roller coaster when you can plunge off a real cliff?

Why, why, why.
Why are some people so nervous about "fake" pussy, but ignore all the other weird stuff that gets discussed on these boards?

Why ... Because I like it.


I also like:
Coke and Pepsi.
rain and sunshine.
girls and gurls.
Bikinis and one piece bathing suits.
the movie Alien and Aliens.
hormone created breasts and well done implants.
real girl breasts and "fake" girls breasts.

There are things I like about Kelly Shore, and Peggy, and Allanah, and Nichole, and Tula, and Daniel, and Sulka, and Lisa lawyer, and, and, and...


Ts girls are different than GG girls. Viva la difference!

[Dino Velvet]

Dave are you talking about the 'ladies of holmes county'
:praying::salad:fuckin:

Holy shit! The gimp tore through the Amish! Poor Amish.:fuckin:

Erika! Eat them!!!!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HNPwoKdcZOg/SISIIEvhHdI/AAAAAAAAAy0/aQ01yntAMzg/s320/pulp_fiction_gimp.jpg

[postopadmirer]

For all the flames let me give you a little boost,

Dick, dick, cock, dick, bonner, balls, dick, why, dick, Girl, issues, dick, dick, cock, dick, mine, cock.
Who, cock, cock, dick, sack, why, who, dick, balls, dick.


Your welcome.



Updated flame supplies.
Dick, FAKE, dick, cock, dick, bonner, balls, dick,

why, PUSSY, dick, Girl, issues, dick, dick, cock, dick, mine, cock.

Who, cock, cock, dick, sack, why, who, dick, balls, dick..

[Erika1487]

Holy shit! The gimp tore through the Amish! Poor Amish.:fuckin:

Erika! Eat them!!!!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HNPwoKdcZOg/SISIIEvhHdI/AAAAAAAAAy0/aQ01yntAMzg/s320/pulp_fiction_gimp.jpg

I used to deliver up there several years ago, lets just say under those black robes are verrrrrrrrry depraved pale ladies....Hmmmm:saladhttp://www.sayitwithpie.com/2008_12_11HotAmishChick2.jpg

Oh and the make a damn good pie to boot ;)

[Dino Velvet]

I used to deliver up there several years ago, lets just say under those black robes are verrrrrrrrry depraved pale ladies....Hmmmm:saladhttp://www.sayitwithpie.com/2008_12_11HotAmishChick2.jpg

Oh and the make a damn good pie to boot ;)

Steal her sock as she steals your ghost!

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/PinkSock.gif

[postopadmirer]

Steal her sock as she steals your ghost!

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/PinkSock.gif

Ok this is now in the top ten things I can never unsee?
Horrifying and yet compelling, just like a bloody motorcycle accident on the side of the road, only worse because I can slow down and stare withouy causing a backup.




What the hell is that besides fisting going horribly wrong?

[MdR Dave]

so what your really trying to say is you like fake pussy because you have a very tiny dick and its no secret that a fake pussy is alot smaller and tighter then a genetic right?why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy.

I've never been with someone who"s had SRS but I doubt the feel or taste could come close.

But I've only met one GG willing to brave my back door entry, though- and she never did it again.

[Dino Velvet]

Ok this is now in the top ten things I can never unsee?
Horrifying and yet compelling, just like a bloody motorcycle accident on the side of the road, only worse because I can slow down and stare withouy causing a backup.




What the hell is that besides fisting going horribly wrong?

This better? Sorry about the last one.

http://www.pornfail.com/images/pf-88.gif

[postopadmirer]

This better? Sorry about the last one.

http://www.pornfail.com/images/pf-88.gif

Yep that one will leave a scare also.What I like/hate about the last one is I can't tell WTF is supposed to be happening or even if it was successful.

[Dino Velvet]

Yep that one will leave a scare also.

Probably left a few scars in her too.

[postopadmirer]

Probably left a few scars in her too.

At least.

[postopadmirer]

Which is better, fake or real pursey

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1074394&postcount=17

[Kayden Harley]

what kinda moron wouldnt wanna suck my mrs.wiggly?id kick him outta my house if he didnt do that,maybe even put a hit on him lol.men are my puppets to please me in everyway thats why god made them period.

:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown: AMEN!!!!


so what your really trying to say is you like fake pussy because you have a very tiny dick and its no secret that a fake pussy is alot smaller and tighter then a genetic right?why else would anybody want a post op over a genetic thats crazy.

:dead:


Fuckin love you Lisa...

- Kay

[SunshyneMonroe]

We r all gay get over it just not as gay as the real gays :)

[RallyCola]

We r all gay get over it just not as gay as the real gays :)

huh...so sunshyne...you consider yourself a gay man?

[SunshyneMonroe]

huh...so sunshyne...you consider yourself a gay man?

Im not even gonna answer that...

[robertlouis]

I like and have been with both pre and post-op girls. It isn't the dick that attracts me while it is undoubtedly part of the package, but there are far too many myths about sex with post-op girls. Just take my word for it, it can be absolutely wonderful.

[postopadmirer]

Im not even gonna answer that...

Sunshyne,
I volunteer to be "gay" with you.
Gay never looked so good!
POA

[RallyCola]

Im not even gonna answer that...

well your statement prompted the question.


i have no problem with any label society at large wants to put on me..bi..gay..whatever. i just find it interesting when people choose to label themselves. that's all

[onmyknees]

huh...so sunshyne...you consider yourself a gay man?

I always try to be sure I really want to say something before hitting the submit response box. You'd have been better served doing that here.

[RallyCola]

I always try to be sure I really want to say something before hitting the submit response box. You'd have been better served doing that here.

i don't think so. perhaps sunshyne would have been better served before making her comment.

her comment is either meant to be truthful or inflammatory. I just want to know which.

[onmyknees]

i don't think so. perhaps sunshyne would have been better served before making her comment.

her comment is either meant to be truthful or inflammatory. I just want to know which.

I understood exactly what she meant. you seem to be disturbed by the whole thing, and I can also understand why she might not want to get into a 40 page back and forth with you about it.

[Redknapp]

I find all forms of feminity attractive and cocks do nothing for me.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Its was a joke ppl.....

[Silcc69]

Its was a joke ppl.....

So when are gonna make that movie? I have seen some of the guys that have fucked you and I must say tsk tsk.

[Yeah]

isnt that like eating your potatos and leaving the steak?seriously?what kinda moron wouldnt wanna suck my mrs.wiggly?id kick him outta my house if he didnt do that,maybe even put a hit on him lol.men are my puppets to please me in everyway thats why god made them period.

I was made to please your mrs. wiggly Lisa.

[Yeah]

Steal her sock as she steals your ghost!

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/PinkSock.gif

That fisting gif is hot Dino. Thanks

[Dino Velvet]

That fisting gif is hot Dino. Thanks

Better her than us.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Sunshyne and i go back to another forum.

I find she isn't worth arguing with.

But if you were to ask her friend Paris, she would agree with everything I say.Who r u again?...


I have to agree with Sunshyne. I don't bottom for anyone now, and the one time I tried it, it didn't do much for me. But it's still the dick. Sorry. I don't care if it's just that you like the aesthetic of it hanging down there swinging while you rock them from behind, but if you aren't into at least the look of it, then why are you there? Even on Post-op girls, you can't help but be into the dick, because you can't help but know it was there.

:iagree:

[ew86riv]

i was just reading through this whole thing and i was wondering if somewhere on the internet there was a forum about women's breasts or asses where men try to justify their stance on liking big ones or small ones. im just saying that bc in this community the penis is looked at as a body part i think and it just gets stupid constantly seeing threads about whether liking something or not makes you any less of a man. i get it you're a man and you like women. whatever you're preferences are from there are up to you.

btw i like dick and vagina so if you're a woman and u have one of those im down. lol.

[buckjohnson]

If a guy wants too be with a ts its due too dick......the end


I disagree with this.

[Dino Velvet]

Can't we just be weirdos?

[postopadmirer]

I disagree with this.

I second the disagreement.

[postopadmirer]

Can't we just be weirdos?

Did you just change you avatar? It fits great with the weirdos statement?

[fred41]

Can't we just be weirdos?

Yes we can...as a matter of fact we are.
I'm fine with that.
If someone isn't...fuck 'em.

[Ineeda SM]

I have noticed alot of dudes saying the whole reason for liking a tranny is because of the dick

But that's not the case for every dude. I think of trannies as women, pre or post-op and the dick is optional. I'd still fuck a post-op, i don't give a fuck.

I am not into trannies for the dick, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY TRANNY WANTS TO BE A TOP!

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

This has been my rebuttal to an on going never ending debate.

Thank you and have a blessed new year!

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie. You obviously come here because you like beautiful sexy women who have beautiful sexy cocks. Right now you could be on one of many GG forums talking to GG porn stars, and hiring GG escorts to pound their sweet gaping wet pussies.

But instead, you chose to be on a TS site. Why? Because you are secretly gay/Bi and like their cocks. We understand that you don't want a masculine male to have sex with, but rather a beautiful feminine woman who also has a cock. A lot of gay and Bi men feel that way. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Freddie, we have all figured it out, and have accepted the fact that you are gay or at least Bi. But you can't bring yourself to say the words because you think it will destroy your big macho male ego, and everyone will see you as a fag. But it's not going to be like that, so it is time for YOU to accept the truth, and just admit you like TS cocks, like the rest of us who are not afraid to admit the truth. I like TS cocks, you like TS cocks, we all like TS cocks, and the ladies are georgous, or we wouldn't be here. There is one major difference that separates GG from a TS. One has a cock, and the other doesn't. So if you don't like cocks, go to a GG porn site. But if you stay here we will know for sure that you like TS cocks. You can run Freddie, but you can not hide in that closet forever.

[loveboof]

@ Ineeda, although most people into tgirls obviously like their cock, it is possible to find some transsexuals attractive and be ambivalent about their penis.

You should not consider everyone as immediately gay/bi simply for being here either. Personally I doubt the majority of my posts have anything to do with porn - which indicates what the main draws to this forum are for me.

However I am happy to admit that a cock on a pretty girl can turn me on, and I am definitely not gay or bisexual (in the sense of what I understand the label to mean anyway). For you that only leaves me as 'in the closet' too, which is simply incorrect.

Therefore I believe your terminology and apparent understanding of sexuality to be over simplistic.

[MdR Dave]

However I am happy to admit that a cock on a pretty girl can turn me on, and I am definitely not gay or bisexual

I think the terminology is limited. There's a girl in LA who can put her cock in my mouth any time she wants (love is fucked up, right?) but if ANYONE else comes at me with their dick out I can promise you that they'll lose it.

So let's say my sexuality, for lack of a better definition or example, is "blue". What shade? Sky? Robin's egg? Royal? Navy (insert seaman joke here)?

It's blue. And in my mind's eye I know exactly what that looks like, though I couldn't give you the Pantone number to define it.

[loveboof]

I like that definition MdR, because it allows for shades in between colours - and for specific things to be interpreted differently for everyone.

But even with the easy/visual analogy, this is already much more complicated that what Ineeda was suggesting!

[MdR Dave]

I like that definition MdR, because it allows for shades in between colours - and for specific things to be interpreted differently for everyone.

But even with the easy/visual analogy, this is already much more complicated that what Ineeda was suggesting!

I can see where Ineeda is coming from, though. At some point it helps to distill, to find an essence, a common denominator. To simplify.

Occam's ( or Akhim's, or Akheem's, etc.) Razor slices things pretty thin.

[fred41]

. A lot of gay and Bi men feel that way. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Freddie, we have all figured it out, and have accepted the fact that you are gay or at least Bi.

From an anecdotal point of view...I don't know any admitted gay men who are into transsexuals. Bisexuality is a whole nother story.

[loveboof]

I can see where Ineeda is coming from, though. At some point it helps to distill, to find an essence, a common denominator. To simplify.

Occam's ( or Akhim's, or Akheem's, etc.) Razor slices things pretty thin.

That principle only applies if all things are equal. It is a misunderstanding of ockham's razor to simply always choose the simple hypothesis.

[MdR Dave]

That principle only applies if all things are equal. It is a misunderstanding of ockham's razor to simply always choose the simple hypothesis.

Agreed. But to want to? That's only human. And the simplest answer reduces the question itself, and is usually right within that framework.

[Ineeda SM]

However I am happy to admit that a cock on a pretty girl can turn me on, and I am definitely not gay or bisexual (in the sense of what I understand the label to mean anyway). For you that only leaves me as 'in the closet' too, which is simply incorrect.

Therefore I believe your terminology and apparent understanding of sexuality to be over simplistic.

I hate to repeat myself once again as this subject has been gone over many times with people still hiding the truth or just plain in denial.

Here it is plain and simple. A straight man does not like cocks in any way, shape, or form. A straight man likes girls with a real vagina. Straight means you are attracted to the opposite sex ONLY.

Gay means you like same sex relations. A gay man likes cocks and is turned on by them. A TS cock is still a very real and true male sex organ. A TS is a male in which hormone treatments have altered some of their physiology to appear feminine. Most other changes are done surgically. A straight man is able to admire the beauty of a TS, but would not have sex with them or be turned on by their cocks because they are still STRAIGHT and like sex with GG only. That is what straight men do.

The line I quoted from you above is a contradiction in terms. No straight man on the planet could say, "I am happy to admit that a cock on a pretty girl can turn me on, and I am definitely not gay or bisexual...." You just said that a TS cock turns you on. And if I am correct, you are a male. I hate to break it to you, but you are gay. Or you are Bisexual if you also like pussy.

This is not my terminology or my appearent understanding of anything. I didn't set the rules and meaning of terms. This is just plain simple fact. If this is too much for you to admit to, then you are hiding in that closet with Freddie, or in denial about who you are. I seriously hope we don't have to chew through all this again. This horse was beaten to death months ago, and so many times since, that the poor beast is now dust and bone fragments. Why is it so damned difficult for you guys to just admit the truth, and move on, instead of this constant denial and kidding yourself crap?

[RallyCola]

Why is it so damned difficult for you guys to just admit the truth, and move on, instead of this constant denial and kidding yourself crap?

simple...people are more afraid of admitting things to themselves than they want to admit. Denial is not just a river in egypt. its too easy to blame shortcomings of language and categories for why there is "no suitable" label for what they are because they are playing the word game.

the idea of sexuality being like a color...guess what einstein...humans are trichromatic...all colors we see are derived from 3 primary colors. so your analogy fails...because all derivations you make up about sexuality come from 3 categories...

1. men that like vag only
2. men that like cock only
3. men that like both

thank you and have a nice day.

[loveboof]

@ Ineeda, The section of my post which you quoted is not a contradiction when you also include the conclusion I draw.

I believe that your understanding of sexuality is overly simplistic. It has nothing to do with my denial or your personal acceptance - I just find your terminology inadequate.

I am attracted to girls but not to men. That immediately rules out the two brackets you want to force me into. You want me to go around claiming I'm gay when I am not sexually attracted to men? lol

'Bisexual' is probably where you want to place me, but by definition that still requires an attraction to both men and women. So again - wrong.

We are now at the inescapable stage of acknowledging your three tiered system of sexuality as oversimplistic. Which is all I said at the beginning. I never claimed to be straight, I said I wasn't gay or bi.

Edit:

@Rally, that wasn't my analogy. But even with three main derivatives - the different shades exist! I'm simply trying to argue the nuances of colour with the colourblind...

[amberskyi]

From an anecdotal point of view...I don't know any admitted gay men who are into transsexuals. Bisexuality is a whole nother story.

i know a bunch......

[MdR Dave]

Denial is not just a river in egypt.

Easily the gayest thing ever posted on this board.


Mort de rire!

Label yourselves all you want. It's limiting. I've experienced things that defy description because the language (even français, one of the most precise) is insufficient. And I hope to be one of those things myself.

Keep slicing it thin. Chunks are for people who can chew them.

[Ineeda SM]

simple...people are more afraid of admitting things to themselves than they want to admit. Denial is not just a river in egypt. its too easy to blame shortcomings of language and categories for why there is "no suitable" label for what they are because they are playing the word game.

the idea of sexuality being like a color...guess what einstein...humans are trichromatic...all colors we see are derived from 3 primary colors. so your analogy fails...because all derivations you make up about sexuality come from 3 categories...

1. men that like vag only
2. men that like cock only
3. men that like both

thank you and have a nice day.

There's a lot of truth in that Rally. But a lot of it boils down to ego. Men looking at sexy women feel more like men. Their ego gets bigger and the macho crap becomes most important to them. They are afraid that if they say they like cock, whether TS or GM, they will be looked at as a fag. Their ego instantly goes into protect mode so they still look manly in the eyes of other manly men. NO I AM NOT A FAG. I AM A MANLY MAN. MR. MACHO GUY. BIG AND TOUGH, TALL AND STRONG. I PLAY FOOTBALL. I FIX BIG CARS AND TRUCKS. I DRINK BEER AND SCRATCH MY SELF A LOT. I ONLY DO THINGS THAT ARE MANLY AND LOADED WITH TESTOSTERONE. I DRINK A GALLON OF TESTOSTERONE EVERY DAY.

These guys will never admit to the truth. They will make excuses for the rest of their lives for how they like cock but are not gay. WOW! Being gay is not limited to a man just having sex with another masculine man. Being gay for a guy means getting turned on sexually by a cock. And yes boys and girls, A TS cock is actually still a male appendage complete with balls conveniently contained in a sack below the cock.

[MdR Dave]

i know a bunch......

LMAO!

Seriously, though. Nice lips.

[Ineeda SM]

@ Ineeda, The section of my post which you quoted is not a contradiction when you also include the conclusion I draw.

I believe that your understanding of sexuality is overly simplistic. It has nothing to do with my denial or your personal acceptance - I just find your terminology inadequate.

I am attracted to girls but not to men. That immediately rules out the two brackets you want to force me into. You want me to go around claiming I'm gay when I am not sexually attracted to men? lol

'Bisexual' is probably where you want to place me, but by definition that still requires an attraction to both men and women. So again - wrong.

We are now at the inescapable stage of acknowledging your three tiered system of sexuality as oversimplistic. Which is all I said at the beginning. I never claimed to be straight, I said I wasn't gay or bi.

Edit:

@Rally, that wasn't my analogy. But even with three main derivatives - the different shades exist! I'm simply trying to argue the nuances of colour with the colourblind...

Boof. there is no other conclusion to draw. I am a bisexual. I like cocks and pussy. But the reality of the term is, I am a gay man who also likes women. I certainly can't say I am a straight man who also likes cock. That brings back the contradiction in terms. A straight man can not like cock, or he is not straight. But a bisexual engages in gay sexual acts. That makes you gay. You are also considered a bisexual. That's what a bisexual is. Call it what you like, but liking cock is a gay thing. Even if you like women too, you can't erase that part about liking cock. And that is a gay act.

A man having sex with a TS is engaging in a gay sexual act. Like it or not. Even my own TS girlfriend who I love with all my heart understands this. And are you ready for this one? A GG girl having sex with a TS is having straight sex. She is doing what all straight women do. Having sex with a person who has a cock. There is something to ponder over.

Boof they are just stupid lables. You can say you are a bisexual, but you don't go for masculine men. That is still correct. But a bisexual is still gay.

[Ineeda SM]

i know a bunch......

Me too. A matter of fact is, most guys who like TS are bisexual. They like the femininity of women, and and they like cock, but they do not like sex with a masculine male. A TS is the best of both worlds. And as I have said before, TS understand men better for obvious reasons. So they are easier to get along with and be friends with.

[loveboof]

Very few things in life are black & white. It is the shades of grey in which most of us live our lives.

If you'll allow for someone to say "I'm bisexual but dont go for masculine men", then you are already creating distinctions within your own definitions - which indirectly proves them to be inadequate.

I agree that I am not completely straight if a cock can turn me one at all. I am not claiming to be 100% straight. But as it happens a percentage would be a much more acceptable form of describing sexuality - ie some kind of spectrum.

In my case, I don't even find a lot of tgirls attractive - and the ones I do like is not really because of their penis. I prefer gg's, and a pussy turns me on more than a cock.

As I said though, cocks on a pretty girl can turn me on. It's not a macho thing, and I have nothing against gay people - 'gay' just doesn't fit well as a label for my preference.

[Ineeda SM]

Very few things in life are black & white. It is the shades of grey in which most of us live our lives.

If you'll allow for someone to say "I'm bisexual but dont go for masculine men", then you are already creating distinctions within your own definitions - which indirectly proves them to be inadequate.

I agree that I am not completely straight if a cock can turn me one at all. I am not claiming to be 100% straight. But as it happens a percentage would be a much more acceptable form of describing sexuality - ie some kind of spectrum.

In my case, I don't find most tgirls attractive - and the ones I do like is not because of their penis. I prefer gg's, and a pussy turns me on more than a cock. In fact most the time cocks do nothing for me, which is why a commented in this thread.

As I said though, cocks on a pretty girl can turn me on. It's not a macho thing, and I have nothing against gay people - 'gay' just doesn't fit well as a label for my preference.

I was going to just drop it here but I had to respond to a couple of statements.

Every aspect of life has distinctions. A person can say, I like girls, but not blonds. Or a gay man can say, I like cock, but not on a TS. Or I can say I prefer Fords, but not the Ford Focus. Everyone has preferences which are distinctions. So I am not changing my own definitions. Besides, they were not my definitions to change. The words Straight, Gay, and Bisexual, are lables to describe what a persons sexuality is. I did not invent them. They were around long before any of us were born. And they are very simple and adequate on their own.

Also, I am glad you can say you are not totally straight. But you still sound a little reluctant to come right out and just say it. LOL. But that's okay. You can correctly say you are bisexual and you prefer women and TS only, but mostly women. Percentages do not really apply in this aspect. You either like cocks or you don't. And you like pussy or you don't. There is no gray area here. There really is no in between. And how would you measure a percentage of what you like? Your idea of 30% might be 50% to me.

Like I said. They are just stupid labels that only mean something to people who that matters. For me, I love them all, but my preferences have moved to TS the most. Ya gotta love them. They are pretty nice.

[loveboof]

For me sexuality is a spectrum. (the percentage was an example drawn from my use of 100%)

They are just labels, and they mean whatever we allow them to. But I believe them to be insufficient - and you agree implicitly by the distinctions you make in addition to the label.

I'm a 'bisexual man who prefers women and ts, but mostly women'? Why not say 'I'm a straight man who likes a few ts'...?

If you believe them to be stupid and meaningless labels why are you so keen for Freddie or me (or anyone else) to adopt them? I assure you I am not deluding myself about what I like, and I am not desperately clinging to some notion of 'straightness' either.

As I said, I believe sexuality can be more accurately portrayed as a spectrum.

[postopadmirer]

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie. You obviously come here because you like beautiful sexy women who have beautiful sexy cocks. Right now you could be on one of many GG forums talking to GG porn stars, and hiring GG escorts to pound their sweet gaping wet pussies.

But instead, you chose to be on a TS site. Why? Because you are secretly gay/Bi and like their cocks. We understand that you don't want a masculine male to have sex with, but rather a beautiful feminine woman who also has a cock. A lot of gay and Bi men feel that way. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Freddie, we have all figured it out, and have accepted the fact that you are gay or at least Bi. But you can't bring yourself to say the words because you think it will destroy your big macho male ego, and everyone will see you as a fag. But it's not going to be like that, so it is time for YOU to accept the truth, and just admit you like TS cocks, like the rest of us who are not afraid to admit the truth. I like TS cocks, you like TS cocks, we all like TS cocks, and the ladies are georgous, or we wouldn't be here. There is one major difference that separates GG from a TS. One has a cock, and the other doesn't. So if you don't like cocks, go to a GG porn site. But if you stay here we will know for sure that you like TS cocks. You can run Freddie, but you can not hide in that closet forever.

I'm so tired of being told I don't mean what I say, that I'm not going to waste time saying it any more.

POA CANNED ANSWER #1: I don't need or want girls to have a penis, if you think otherwise you are the one with a penis obsession. If you can't accept my answer that is your problem.

[RallyCola]

Very few things in life are black & white. It is the shades of grey in which most of us live our lives.

that's gayer than my denial river post!



POA CANNED ANSWER #1: I don't need or want girls to have a penis, if you think otherwise you are the one with a penis obsession. If you can't accept my answer that is your problem.

dude...just face it. if you are interested in transgendered girls, you are not str8. its that simple. str8 men DO NOT want a male. even after GRS, these girls are still male. Male women!

Remember, genetic sex is male vs. female
Gender Identity is man vs. woman.

the male impetus for sex and reproduction is why we are a successful species. to deny that genetic urge to reproduce and procreate in having a homosexual encounter is to admit that you are not str8.

[Iainlondon]

I dont know what I am or what my label should be....and I dont really care. I have no interest in dick but I love to fuck T girls !

[RallyCola]

right now my label is hanes becaue wifey bought me some of those layflat collar tee shirts. so now i look like michael jordan too.

[dgs925]

I dont know what I am or what my label should be....and I dont really care. I have no interest in dick but I love to fuck T girls !

I hate to call someone I've never met a liar, but in this case the shoe fits. You do not have zero interest in the dick, that is undeniable. If you had no interest, then you would be turned off by tgirls, that's all there is to it. I'm not putting any label on you, labels aren't really needed here.

Even if you don't touch the dick, you like seeing it when you fuck the girls. Even if you don't suck the dick (and in my opinion, a guy who doesn't go down on the girl is no man at all), you still know it's there.

You wouldn't seek out tgirls if you didn't like their dick, you would just stick to genetic girls. Why is that so hard to understand?

[tsdvdman]

I hate to call someone I've never met a liar, but in this case the shoe fits. You do not have zero interest in the dick, that is undeniable. If you had no interest, then you would be turned off by tgirls, that's all there is to it. I'm not putting any label on you, labels aren't really needed here.

Even if you don't touch the dick, you like seeing it when you fuck the girls. Even if you don't suck the dick (and in my opinion, a guy who doesn't go down on the girl is no man at all), you still know it's there.

You wouldn't seek out tgirls if you didn't like their dick, you would just stick to genetic girls. Why is that so hard to understand?
I agree with everything you said except for "the going down" part.
Any dude honestly not interested in ts because of the dick would find it repulsive to be interested in them. Denial is a helluva thing!!

[dgs925]

I agree with everything you said except for "the going down" part.


You don't lick it before you stick it? I guess I was a little extreme with my last post. Basically, I follow the rule that both people need to come from sex, and with my wife and my girlfriend, that means going down after my turn is over.

[giovanni_hotel]

Bisexual = gay??

ANd now human beings only desire sex to procreate??
Some of you have adopted a very selective definition of terms to explain why you are who you are IMO.

If I desire a blow job, what genetic urge am I fulfilling??

Also do some of you realize you're arguing only gay men are attracted to tgirls??
Slippery slope and insulting at the same time.

From experience I've noticed that; there are men who are mainly interested in other men sexually who like transwomen; there are men who are interested in GG and men who like transwomen; there are men who like GG exclusively who are into transwomen.

All these groups are similar, yet distinct.
Yes they are still labels, but I wouldn't presume that all TG admirers are the same, or like myself in their attraction to TGs.

It's reckless and insensitive to call any man's attraction to TGs a 'gay thing'.

Rally Cola and Ineeda SM, you should re-read some of your posts and consider what it is you're actually saying.

Even as you attempt to define it RallyCola, you are equating gender and sex as the same thing.

[loveboof]

even after GRS, these girls are still male. Male women!

Remember, genetic sex is male vs. female
Gender Identity is man vs. woman.

the male impetus for sex and reproduction is why we are a successful species. to deny that genetic urge to reproduce and procreate in having a homosexual encounter is to admit that you are not str8.

Seriously, you have gone way off the deep end now...

Having a homosexual encounter is not the same as 'admitting you are not straight' - that is exactly why Ineeda and yourself have been arguing down the denial route.

Also, your view of transsexuals must be offensive! There are tgirls here who go mental at well meaning first time posters for less than what you've just said, and suddenly nobody gives a shit in this thread? (must be the 'gay thing')

Giovanni is right - sexuality is a little different for all of us. Why the need to pigeon hole everybody into neat little groups?

[dgs925]

yeah, some people have gone a little too far here. The point of this thread isn't for those for arguing the various subtle differences in our individual sexualities.

The point of this thread is to ridicule Freddy and the other closet cases who still hold on to the homophobic ideals they were raised around, and deny any attraction to the penis. They spend so much time clinging to the "I'm not gay, like you fags" that we want to point out to them that they are delusional.

Anyone who has a nuanced view of sexuality, masculinity, and the interaction between the two is not the intended audience of my rants in this thread.

[postopadmirer]

I know I'm not straight, but that does not mean I want to spend quality time with any penis but mine.

[postopadmirer]

Boof. there is no other conclusion to draw. I am a bisexual. I like cocks and pussy. But the reality of the term is, I am a gay man who also likes women. I certainly can't say I am a straight man who also likes cock. That brings back the contradiction in terms. A straight man can not like cock, or he is not straight. But a bisexual engages in gay sexual acts. That makes you gay. You are also considered a bisexual. That's what a bisexual is. Call it what you like, but liking cock is a gay thing. Even if you like women too, you can't erase that part about liking cock. And that is a gay act.

A man having sex with a TS is engaging in a gay sexual act. Like it or not. Even my own TS girlfriend who I love with all my heart understands this. And are you ready for this one? A GG girl having sex with a TS is having straight sex. She is doing what all straight women do. Having sex with a person who has a cock. There is something to ponder over.

Boof they are just stupid lables. You can say you are a bisexual, but you don't go for masculine men. That is still correct. But a bisexual is still gay.



RING RING,
"hello Gender Hut, may I take your order?"

Yes I'd like a large order of t-girl.
A side if conversation.
Probably extra sexy-time.
And a diet lemonade.

"will that be all?"
Yea probably,... Oh does the t-girl come with cock?

"yes"

Can I get it without the cock?
"yes"

Ok then I want an order if t-girl, no cock.
A side of conversation, extra sexy-time, and a small diet lemonade.

"Will that be all.

Yes, thank you.

"your order will be ready when you arrive"
CLICK

[RallyCola]

i haven't gone too far at all.

i've specifically refrained from discussing things clinically and psychologically because that's not the tone of the forum...but am a MD/PhD with the latter being dual degrees in psych and neuroscience. i am well read and published in this area and have been fighting the good fight for some time against the inclusion of gender dysphoria in the DSM. I'm not necessarily a TG advocate because I spend 70% of my time in the clinic and the rest of the time at the bench, however, I am approaching this subject from an area that, unfortunately, maybe 1 or 2 of you would understand. that's not me calling anyone stupid...that's me claiming that most of you on this board are not current on the literature.

there is quite a difference between genetic sex and behavioral gender which is why tgirls exist. that is what makes us uniquely human in that we are able to EASILY override genetic pre-determination with choice. it has been demonstrated (somewhat...fMRI isn't 100% accurate) that the prefrontal cortex and orbitofrontal cortex of males that identify as straight is significantly different than females who identify as straight, structurally and chemically. It has been suggested, though not yet well supported that males that identify as gay have structural homologies to straight identifying females. These assays have yet to be applied to males who like tgirls and tgirls themselves. there are several hypotheses used to explain homosexual/heterogenderal relationships which is exactly what any male engages in when with a pre/non/post op transsexual.

sorry you feel otherwise but clinically speaking, even after SRS, you are still having a homosexual encounter when having sex with a post-op tgirl. society will see your encounter as heterosexual but that's because the language that society at large understands is limited.

i will say this one last time...though most of you will disagree...in terms of your fitness, i.e. from a clinical and behavioral point of view...a genetic male and genetic female who occupy their traditional gender roles are engaging in a heterosexual and heterogenderal relationship. When a relationship occurs between individuals of the same genetic sex who occupy different gender roles, it is a homosexual, heterogenderal relationship. If a ggirl and a tgirl are together, its heterosexual yet homogenderal. etc.

Basically...just get over yourselves and the stigma associated with any label that isn't "straight." some of you want to embrace the str8 label or abhor the bi label so much that you have these ideas of justification.

the beauty of this debate is that no one will win...because as easily as you label yourself something...someone else will label you another....so i'm with dgs925....let's just make fun of freddy.

who names their kid freddy anyway...did his parents love the flintstones?

[postopadmirer]

DING DIGING DING

Welcome to Gender Hut, how may I help you?

I'm here to pick up my order, I phoned it in.

Yes it is in back, I'll go get it.
Here you go one Tgirl no cock

Thanks,... Wait this is not what I ordered, this is a genetic girl.

Yea that's the straight guy package.

But I want a Tgirl.

What is the difference?

It is not a Tgirl.

Yea but same difference, besides I'll have to charge you for both the straight combo meal, and the gay entree.

What? Why?

Because that's the way it is, all pussy is on the straight menu, if you want a Tgirl it has to come off the gay menu.

Yea but a second ago you said a genetic girl and a Tgirl with no cock we're the same. Why am I paying extra?

That's just the way it is.

Now do you want your order, or a gay combo meal?

I don't know. If I take my current order with a genetic girl is it a gay combo meal?

That depends?

Depends on what?

Do you have a vagina?

...


To be continued?

Confused, don't be it's just the way it is!

[onmyknees]

This really isn't that difficult fellas. You all bend and contort to fit what your group you feel you should fall in. I'm not into such tedium, but I'll make it easy for you.......if you meet a dude who's dressed as a dude alone for one on one "fun"...you're gay. If you meet a TV or TS that exhibits some amount of femininity....you're something short of gay, or if your encounters with men are always in the company of women...you're bisexual. See how easy that was?

[postopadmirer]

A straight, a gay, a lesbian, a bisexual, and a hermaphrodite walk in to a bar...

[loveboof]

@ Rally,

Are you really a double PhD and MD? Doubtful, but I'll assume you're not lying.

You keep talking about homosexual encounters. I have never had sex with a man or a transsexual. You argue confidently that that everyone here is gay, but you don't know enough about us individually to make such a sweeping claim. Even when presented with with some basic information you ignore it and stick to your original overarching presumptions. That would make you a very bad doctor...

What are your psychological theories on sexual fantasy (not practice)? Because that is closer to the reality of the situation for most online tgirl admirers. Would a completely straight man be attracted to a lot of the girls in Paulistano's exotic beauty thread? Yes - there are no cocks there, and the tgirls are super feminine.

You're evidently happy to smatter some clinical jargon into your bs responses, but there's nothing you can dredge up which will change the fact that sexuality is a subjective personal experience.

So let me redirect your own sentiment back at you - get over yourself.

[dgs925]

i will say this one last time...though most of you will disagree...in terms of your fitness, i.e. from a clinical and behavioral point of view...a genetic male and genetic female who occupy their traditional gender roles are engaging in a heterosexual and heterogenderal relationship. When a relationship occurs between individuals of the same genetic sex who occupy different gender roles, it is a homosexual, heterogenderal relationship. If a ggirl and a tgirl are together, its heterosexual yet homogenderal. etc.

Ha ha, I guess that closes this argument officially (as if). That makes total sense. You can change your gender, but not your sex, and the heterosexual/homosexual distinction relies on sex, not gender. Thanks for clearing that up. I've never heard the distinction of heterogenderal/heterosexual but now it makes perfect sense.


@ Rally,

Are you really a double PhD and MD? Doubtful, but I'll assume you're not lying.


On an anonymous forum, it's best to assume everyone else is lying. Whether Rally is being straight about his background is irrelevant, everyone should do their own fact checking.


You keep talking about homosexual encounters. I have never had sex with a man or a transsexual. You argue confidently that that everyone here is gay,

I missed that part. What exactly is the scientific definition of gay? He was talking about encounters for a reason, as they are concrete events that actually happen. To describe a person as homosexual or heterosexual seems like a gray area, but to describe a physical act as homosexual or heterosexual is black and white.

but you don't know enough about us individually to make such a sweeping claim.

So the only thing we know for sure about everyone here is that they choose to spend time on this website, over every other website on the internet. From that fact we can generally assume that you either like to look at the pictures posted here, or to talk to the girls here, or you are here to promote your videos/website/escort service/etc.


What are your psychological theories on sexual fantasy (not practice)? Because that is closer to the reality of the situation for most online tgirl admirers. Would a completely straight man be attracted to a lot of the girls in Paulistano's exotic beauty thread? Yes - there are no cocks there, and the tgirls are super feminine.

I realize that you directed these questions at Rally, but I do enjoy wasting time at work and think I can answer these.

Again, he did not classify people as homosexual or heterosexual, only actions. You could also classify fantasies as homosexual or heterosexual. Like when I am alone at night, and jerk off thinking about what I would do if I had Kimberly Kills or Amy Daly in bed with me, I am having homosexual fantasies which are also heterogenderal.



You're evidently happy to smatter some clinical jargon into your bs responses, but there's nothing you can dredge up which will change the fact that sexuality is a subjective personal experience.

If you took the time to try and understand the terms, maybe they would make more sense to you. I don't think Rally was trying to change the fact that sexuality is personal, but that doesn't mean you can't discuss it rationally.

[loveboof]

If you took the time to try and understand the terms, maybe they would make more sense to you.
I understand what the terms mean - it is still jargon. (edit: do you understand what 'jargon' means?)

You've missed my point about sexual fantasy. Does a semi-homosexual fantasy make a person homosexual? The answer is no.

And you are completely incorrect about what Rally is suggesting about sexuality. He is not arguing in favour of a personal, subjective sexuality. The exact opposite in fact.

You think I've been irrational in our discussion so far?

[RallyCola]

@ Rally,

Are you really a double PhD and MD? Doubtful, but I'll assume you're not lying.

You keep talking about homosexual encounters. I have never had sex with a man or a transsexual. You argue confidently that that everyone here is gay, but you don't know enough about us individually to make such a sweeping claim. Even when presented with with some basic information you ignore it and stick to your original overarching presumptions. That would make you a very bad doctor...

What are your psychological theories on sexual fantasy (not practice)? Because that is closer to the reality of the situation for most online tgirl admirers. Would a completely straight man be attracted to a lot of the girls in Paulistano's exotic beauty thread? Yes - there are no cocks there, and the tgirls are super feminine.

You're evidently happy to smatter some clinical jargon into your bs responses, but there's nothing you can dredge up which will change the fact that sexuality is a subjective personal experience.

So let me redirect your own sentiment back at you - get over yourself.


its always been my goal to have lots of letters after my name i was in a MD/PhD program at New Jersey Medical School where I got, obviously the md and the first phd in neuroscience. at the time, the neuroscience program was linked to rutgers which had an excellent psych program. to complete the second phd, as there was tremendous overlap in course work and requirements, during residency, i was able to take my quals in psychology. as anyone will tell you that's done this work, you get 1-2 papers out in the thesis phase of a molecular and cellular neuroscience degree...but in behavioral neuroscience, you crank them out because the journals have lower impact factors (generally) and its easier work. so, i defended the second thesis only 3 years after the first. presently, I'm technically a fellow though I'm done with residency because I'm still working for a PI.

now on to your points...i'm not calling any male man gay unless they like male men and enjoy sex with male men. i'm calling you all bi if you are a male man and enjoy sex with a tgirl. that's all. it doesn't matter if you touch her cock or not...you are in fact bi.

far too often people hide behind the internet as fantasy. fantasy is motivated by your desires. just because you don't act on them is irrelevant because you are likely not acting on them for reasons beyond the fantasy...fear of persecution or fear of retribution come to mind.

to answer your question without jargon...if you fantasize about killing your boss, you are not a murder. if you fantasize about flying a plane, you are not a pilot. you are what you do.

now, i submit to you that there is a problem inherent in all MDs you engage in basic science...and it is the essential difference between MDs and PhDs. You say I'm a bad doc because I stick to my hypothesis. well that is what makes me a successful researcher. You have to support your hypothesis until disproved. I'm plenty open minded but I do find myself in a position to know more about the underlying psychology of sexual motivation than you. i'm sorry you think sexuality is subjective. that's just where the difference lies between us...and its why there is funding for both sides of the argument. but you have to admit that sexuality really isn't subjective or relative to most people. the people that feel, like yourself, that it is subjective are the people that skirt the line of different genres. you know what you feel and that's good, but i submit that i, or any other therapist or psychologist, or even neurologist know more about why you feel the way you do than you care to admit.

finally, i won't bore you with my so-called jargon anymore except to say that your example is inappropriate. using the exotic beauty thread is idiotic. you just said would an average man be attracted to someone feminine and beautiful. of course...men are conditioned to appreciate the secondary sex characteristics associated with femininity. so if a girl....g or t...is pleasant to look at, the reaction of the average man likely would be attraction...however, once the angle of the dangle is revealed, the reaction of a heterosexual male who only likes heterogenderal encounters is likely to not be favorable.

its clear that i'm verbose, and i thank you for actually reading what i write...its clear i just like to rant and rant...but the debate is pointless because it is clear that you believe what you do, and i believe what i do. there is no changing that...but you have to excuse me for laughing at your attempts to justify yourself. its is as pointless as continuing this debate.

FYI..i love pointless debates!

[fred41]

who names their kid freddy anyway...did his parents love the flintstones?

Damn!!!! Thank God that's not really my name.
See what you did ??!!...Now you made me self conscious.

You can call me gay though...I'm O.K. with that...:)

[dgs925]

But the only reason a person would object to jargon is because they don't understand them. The term "heterogenderal" is totally new to me, but it is absolutely needed on this website. If everyone understood what it meant, then every single one of the "Am I gay" discussions would disappear.

Maybe it's best not to label a person as homo- or hetero-. To do that, you need to come up with a scale, like Kinsey tried to do. Then you need to come up with some way of measuring people's preferences, look up penile plethysmograph if you want a laugh.

But the point here is that you now need two different scales, one for a person's sexual preference and one for their gender preference.

Personally, I'm all for the live-and-let live, everyone do what makes them happy. I'm pretty sure Rally is making the same point. I think people should get over the labels (I'm not saying that labels aren't useful, just that we shouldn't be bothered by them).

So what if you have homosexual fantasies? Why would that bother you? (this last is directed more at Freddy and the "no homo" crowd than you, boof, but take it as you like it)

[RallyCola]

Damn!!!! Thank God that's not really my name.
See what you did ??!!...Now you made me self conscious.

You can call me gay though...I'm O.K. with that...:)

well...i mean fred or fredrick almost as bad a gerald, mortimer or wallace. just an older name.

wifey wants to get pregnant...fred won't be a name we consider...that's for sure.

[fred41]

...if you add the "41"...it makes it cool.

[fred41]

try it: Mortimer41...totally cool.

[FreddieGomez]

Damn!!!! Thank God that's not really my name.
See what you did ??!!...Now you made me self conscious.

You can call me gay though...I'm O.K. with that...:)

My name is Frederick

[RallyCola]

My name is Frederick

nuff said then. your parents didn't like you.

daddy has one goal in life...keep his kids off the pole...girls from the stripper pole and guys from the....you see where i'm going with this

[FreddieGomez]

nuff said then. your parents didn't like you.

daddy has one goal in life...keep his kids off the pole...girls from the stripper pole and guys from the....you see where i'm going with this

yo i dont care. i was named after one of my grandfathers.

chicks still like me regardless. i'm young, black, got a nice body and a big dick.

what do you got to offer? money?

[RallyCola]

shit...i'm screwed. i'm old, not black, fat as shit and have a tiny penis. i'm like the tom arnold of the tgirl world. freddiegomez, you're my hero.

i never said i have anything to offer...i subscribe to the capt. jack sparrow point of view....take what you can...give nothing back.

[tsadriana]

haha another story.

[postopadmirer]

A straight, a gay, a lesbian, a bisexual, and a hermaphrodite walk in to a bar.


A virgin walks in after them thinking about what sex will be like.


Is that virgin


A. Straight
B. Gay
C. Lesbian
D. Homo-bi-Plane
E. Asian
F. Not really a virgin
G. Lost

[RallyCola]

H: postopadmirer's mom

oh yeah, i said it

[fred41]

"Great" works too...
witness : Frederick the Great

Pretty good right? (in fact "great").

But you want to know how to make it awesome?
Yup,..you guessed it..

Frederick the Great41.

[RallyCola]

"Great" works too...
witness : Frederick the Great

Pretty good right? (in fact "great").

But you want to know how to make it awesome?
Yup,..you guessed it..

Frederick the Great41.

no...Fred41 The Great...that's better. Fredrick just makes you sound like a pretentious ass.

FYI...i am a pretentious ass, but at least i'm not named fredrick

I like the sound of Pretentious Ass41

[fred41]

no...Fred41 The Great...that's better. Fredrick just makes you sound like a pretentious ass.


Hmmmmmm...you know what?...I think you're right.

You must be MD/Phd.

[loveboof]

But the only reason a person would object to jargon is because they don't understand them.
Nope. Not if the reason itself was to show an awareness of the fact that it is there. And that it is meaningless.
_


i'm not calling any male man gay unless they like male men and enjoy sex with male men. i'm calling you all bi if you are a male man and enjoy sex with a tgirl. that's all. it doesn't matter if you touch her cock or not...you are in fact bi.

far too often people hide behind the internet as fantasy. fantasy is motivated by your desires. just because you don't act on them is irrelevant because you are likely not acting on them for reasons beyond the fantasy...fear of persecution or fear of retribution come to mind.

to answer your question without jargon...if you fantasize about killing your boss, you are not a murder. if you fantasize about flying a plane, you are not a pilot. you are what you do.

now, i submit to you that there is a problem inherent in all MDs you engage in basic science...and it is the essential difference between MDs and PhDs. You say I'm a bad doc because I stick to my hypothesis. well that is what makes me a successful researcher. You have to support your hypothesis until disproved. I'm plenty open minded but I do find myself in a position to know more about the underlying psychology of sexual motivation than you. i'm sorry you think sexuality is subjective. that's just where the difference lies between us...and its why there is funding for both sides of the argument. but you have to admit that sexuality really isn't subjective or relative to most people. the people that feel, like yourself, that it is subjective are the people that skirt the line of different genres. you know what you feel and that's good, but i submit that i, or any other therapist or psychologist, or even neurologist know more about why you feel the way you do than you care to admit.

finally, i won't bore you with my so-called jargon anymore except to say that your example is inappropriate. using the exotic beauty thread is idiotic. you just said would an average man be attracted to someone feminine and beautiful. of course...men are conditioned to appreciate the secondary sex characteristics associated with femininity. so if a girl....g or t...is pleasant to look at, the reaction of the average man likely would be attraction...however, once the angle of the dangle is revealed, the reaction of a heterosexual male who only likes heterogenderal encounters is likely to not be favorable.

its clear that i'm verbose, and i thank you for actually reading what i write...its clear i just like to rant and rant...but the debate is pointless because it is clear that you believe what you do, and i believe what i do. there is no changing that...but you have to excuse me for laughing at your attempts to justify yourself. its is as pointless as continuing this debate.

FYI..i love pointless debates!
I never said you were a bad doc because you stick to a hypothesis - I said you would be a bad doctor if you stuck to an overeaching presumption regardless of the information at hand.

And while you may (or may not) know more about 'the underlying psychology of sexual motivation', you definitely do not know more than me about my sexual motivation. Which is why I find your presumptuous categorisation of me as amusing as you seem to find my justifications.

The 'exotic beauty thread' is the perfect example of how a completely straight man could be attracted tgirls. Nothing more. It tied in with my question about sexual fantasy.

If 'we are what we do' is your interpretation of sexuality then that is absurdly inaccurate and ineffectual as a definition. And I agree that this argument is wholly pointless and will lead nowhere, but it's 'the journey itself' which gives us hope. (You may need to google that - I find when arguing 'basic science' with an MD / double PhD, that most literary references go unrecognised)...

[onmyknees]

yo i dont care. i was named after one of my grandfathers.

chicks still like me regardless. i'm young, black, got a nice body and a big dick.

what do you got to offer? money?

But wait.....didn't you tell us several months ago you were Hispanic? :fc But maybe you go both ways?

For the record...I have no problem with your name. Fred is fine with me.

[RallyCola]

Nope. Not if the reason itself was to show an awareness of the fact that it is there. And that it is meaningless.
_

I never said you were a bad doc because you stick to a hypothesis - I said you would be a bad doctor if you stuck to an overeaching presumption regardless of the information at hand.

And while you may (or may not) know more about 'the underlying psychology of sexual motivation', you definitely do not know more than me about my sexual motivation. Which is why I find your presumptuous categorisation of me as amusing as you seem to find my justifications.

The 'exotic beauty thread' is the perfect example of how a completely straight man could be attracted tgirls. Nothing more. It tied in with my question about sexual fantasy.

If 'we are what we do' is your interpretation of sexuality then that is absurdly inaccurate and ineffectual as a definition. And I agree that this argument is wholly pointless and will lead nowhere, but it's 'the journey itself' which gives us hope. (You may need to google that - I find when arguing 'basic science' with an MD / double PhD, that most literary references go unrecognised)...

i am not going to bother responding to you because you don't understand the point i am making. that's fine.

one thing you...you put basic science in ".... clearly you don't know what the term is. basic science is research that has no clinical component. that's not to say that basic science research isn't translational...it has to be to get NIH or foundation funding, but basic science is benchtop research and clinical science involves patients.

next...i knew full well when i mentioned my degrees, i'd be thought a liar..that's fine. i don't really care. you could say you were an astronaut and it wouldn't bother me. you aren't the person i need to impress with my CV. that said...where i draw the line is something thinking i don't know literature. i read twilight and the girl with the dragon tattoo.

[tsadriana]

But wait.....didn't you tell us several months ago you were Hispanic? :fc But maybe you go both ways?

For the record...I have no problem with your name. Fred is fine with me.

hahahahah poor thing :Bowdown:

[RallyCola]

oh and because i am so full of myself...i told you want schools i went to. it wouldn't take a genius to check student publications in each school and figure out exactly who i am, my class rank, where I matched and where I'm a research fellow today. there will be only 1 person with papers from the New Jersey medical school neuroscience program and then from the Rutgers Psychology program.

[loveboof]

i knew full well when i mentioned my degrees, i'd be thought a liar..that's fine. i don't really care. you could say you were an astronaut and it wouldn't bother me. you aren't the person i need to impress with my CV. that said...where i draw the line is something thinking i don't know literature. i read twilight and the girl with the dragon tattoo.
lol.

And likewise you are not the person I need to impress with my credentials either - which is why I did not mention them at all. (I hope that's not too subtle for you.. this bracketed comment should help with that)

[RallyCola]

i know what your credentials are.....you have a phd is making an ass out of yourself. i should know...i'm defending that thesis shortly

[loveboof]

Hmm. I guess it was still too subtle... Are you sure about your psychological expertise? :whistle:

[RallyCola]

umm...you are a sanitation engineer? close yet?

[Ineeda SM]

POA CANNED ANSWER #1: I don't need or want girls to have a penis, if you think otherwise you are the one with a penis obsession. If you can't accept my answer that is your problem.

If you don't need or want girls to have a penis, then why are you here on a site with girls who have a penis? Me thinks someone is in denial.


I'm a 'bisexual man who prefers women and ts, but mostly women'? Why not say 'I'm a straight man who likes a few ts'...?

Once again that line is a contrdiction in it self. Straight means you only like pussy. Period! There is no other way to say it. A straight man does not like cocks. So a straight man will not have sex with a TS. That would make him gay. Get it? I don't give the words their meanings. It's just what they mean.


If you believe them to be stupid and meaningless labels why are you so keen for Freddie or me (or anyone else) to adopt them? As I said, I believe sexuality can be more accurately portrayed as a spectrum.

I'm sorry, but sexuality is not a spectrum. You can't just like cocks by 30% or 70%. Either a cock turns you on, or it does not. You don't just get a 30% hard on looking at a cock.

They ARE meaningless labels. But if you are going to use them, use them correctly or not at all. Like I said, they are not my labels. I didn't invent them. They are words with a specific meaning. You can't chose to make your own meanings to a well known specifically defined word.


Seriously, you have gone way off the deep end now...

Having a homosexual encounter is not the same as 'admitting you are not straight' - that is exactly why Ineeda and yourself have been arguing down the denial route.

Do you even listen to yourself? Having a homosexual encounter is absolutely 100% admiting that you are gay. Only gay people have homosexual encounters. Straight people certainly don't have homosexual encounters. Straight people only have heterosexual encounters. That's like saying you love Hershey chocolate bars, but you don't like chocolate.


Also, your view of transsexuals must be offensive!

No it is not offensive to the girls. These girls are not stupid people. They know who and what they are. They also know who respects their gender as women, and who doesn't. My own TS girlfriend completely understands what her gender really is, but she is still a woman to me, herself, and everyone who respects her. If I were straight, I would not be with her. Even if I never touched her cock, but still had sex with her, I am still engaging in homosexual sex with a true born genitic male, which makes me gay.

Boof you really need to lighten up and just admit that you are here because you like TS with dicks. If their dicks had no meaning for you, you would be on a GG site talking to them and admiring their lovely little wet pussies. Good grief man, use some simple common sense. You act like being gay is a horrible insult or something to be ashamed off. But you are here aren't you? And 99% of the girls here all have dicks.

[loveboof]

Boof you really need to lighten up and just admit that you are here because you like TS with dicks.

I have already admitted that a few times in this thread.

I really don't think you're getting what I was saying, which is fine. But one last attempt would just point you in the direction of the distinctions you have to place on the labels to maintain any kind of accuracy.

It is the same thing to say 'I'm bisexual but don't like men' as it is to say 'I'm straight but like tgirls'. For one last time - that is not what I'm saying. I'm showing you that the labels are insufficient.

And a spectrum does not = a percentage. That is simply confusing you, so let's forget it.

It is not me who is misusing the labels' definition - I have always claimed them to be inadequate. It is you who is using them incorrectly if you have to describe someone as "___ but".

[giovanni_hotel]

If anyone is on this site strictly because of an attraction to dick, whether they're looking at Tgirls or bodybuilders is incidental.

That's not how attraction works, INeeda SM. You're talking about TGs like they are elaborate cross dressers who are dudes when they go to bed at night.

Guys aren't attracted to ANY female just because she has a pussy.lol

If you see TGs as essentially gay men with plastic surgery and that works for you, fine.
But most TGs don't identify that way.

Because it seems to me IMO that you can't get past the dick, and miss the trans-woman entirely.
Which is why calling a man who engages in sexual activity w/ a TG homosexual, is about par with calling all TGs 'he'.

You're in a minority here, but there are admittedly others who say that being born with penis trumps all and this whole transgender thing is a silly hopeless game of charades.

Clearly you don't believe or are even willing to consider the existence of transgendered people or the condition of gender dysmorphia.

To each his own.

[RallyCola]

so we all agree to disagree i guess.

can we all just make fun of the OP. its far more fun. i don't know the guy but what's the point of the internet if you can't just randomly attack people for posting opposing views in a forum???

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2011/05/the-flintstones.jpg

wilma was ok...but that betty rubble...dangle or snatch, if i was a cartoon, she'd be in trouble.

see what i did there...i rhymed. and someone thought i don't read. that's hooked on phonics beeotch.

[robertlouis]

Well, here we go again. Yet another thread descends into the inevitable I'm not gay/ I AM gay/We're all gay/You're gay but I'm not etc and on and and on and on, just like Celine feckin' Dion. Or to put it in other words, everyone is trying to pin their own set of labels from their own set of beliefs, yes, and fears, on everyone else. Why? What have you/we/I got to lose?

I like genetic girls and I like both pre and post-op girls. The size, shape and cummability of a girl's cock is pretty low on my set of priorities, tbh. I start with femininity, personality and chemistry, and everything else is secondary, ie. my criteria are more or less the same with a tgirl as with a ggirl.

But...... does that make me gay or straight or half-gay or half-straight and do I give a flying fuck? No, I rejoice in what I like and have fun.

Rant over. Chill out just a bit, fellas. It doesn't really matter. If it does, see a shrink.

[loveboof]

wilma was ok...but that betty rubble...dangle or snatch, if i was a cartoon, she'd be in trouble.

see what i did there...i rhymed. and someone thought i don't read. that's hooked on phonics beeotch.

I did not doubt that you could read, you made that plain when you disagreed.
From hooked on phonics to phoney logic, your pseudo doctorates, and empty comments.
I liked you more an unknown name, but now I've seen you play your game!
We all can rhyme, but show me depth - and I'll show you some more respect.

[Ineeda SM]

I really don't think you're getting what I was saying, which is fine. But one last attempt would just point you in the direction of the distinctions you have to place on the labels to maintain any kind of accuracy.

It is the same thing to say 'I'm bisexual but don't like men' as it is to say 'I'm straight but like tgirls'. For one last time - that is not what I'm saying. I'm showing you that the labels are insufficient.


You must be young. Mainly because you do not read and understand every word that someone says. Then you make assumptions based on your own error. You keep saying I am putting distinctions on top of labels, and that is just not the truth. The labels are what they are. As I keep saying, I DID NOT INVENT THEM. They are common knowledge words with specific meanings that you want to change for your own comfort.

What you keep saying are my distinctions, are actually a generally accepted descriptive of a persons preferences. And nothing more

And once again you keep using terms that make absolutely no sense, but you still use them to validate what you say. A bisexual is a person who has sex with both GG and men. And a straight person only has sex with the opposite sex and not their own. So you saying that "I'm bisexual but don't like men" and "I'm straight but like TS", are both just beyond really stupid. The labels are not insufficient. They are exactly what they are, and mean exactly what they mean. You can try and change those meanings if it makes you feel better, but you would be wrong. Their meaning have been specifically determined by society, NOT ME.


If anyone is on this site strictly because of an attraction to dick, whether they're looking at Tgirls or bodybuilders is incidental.

Partly correct. But everyone who is here is here because they like TS. And what is the distinction of a TS over a GG? Their cocks. That's just a fact.


That's not how attraction works, INeeda SM. You're talking about TGs like they are elaborate cross dressers who are dudes when they go to bed at night.

No That is how YOU read it because you disagree mith me. The girls here know me by now and how I respect them.


Guys aren't attracted to ANY female just because she has a pussy.lol

That makes sense but men and women still have gender preferences for a sexual partner. You are attracted to what you like.


If you see TGs as essentially gay men with plastic surgery and that works for you, fine.
But most TGs don't identify that way.

Now you are putting words in my mouth that I never said or intended simply because you are angry and disagree with me. TS identify as women. The key word is "IDENTIFY". You see them as women, I see them as women, they see themselves as women. And for all intent and purposes, they ARE women. But even they understand that they have the phisiology and reproductive systems of a male that they were born with. That is not an insult. It's just a simple fact. The are NOT GG, they are TS. A TS is a man that has taken hormone treatments and sometimes surgery to appear as, and "IDENTIFY" as women. But they are still not a GG. And like it or not, the human species still only has 2 genders.



Because it seems to me IMO that you can't get past the dick, and miss the trans-woman entirely.
Which is why calling a man who engages in sexual activity w/ a TG homosexual, is about par with calling all TGs 'he'.

Once again like it or not, if a man has sex with any person who has a real true to life, blood and guts cock, they are engaging in a homosexual act. But, to reaffirm your point, calling a TS anything but a she or a woman, is disrespectfull of her "IDENTITY". BUT, I am not talking about her "IDENTITY". I have been discussing her actual gender by medical means, and how that relates to the sexual lifestyle of a person who has sex with them.


You're in a minority here, but there are admittedly others who say that being born with penis trumps all and this whole transgender thing is a silly hopeless game of charades.

Now that is just stupid. I am not in a minority, because all of the girls understand that I am correct in every description I have made. Only a few like you still refuse to accept that liking a girl with a cock is actually a gay thing.


Clearly you don't believe or are even willing to consider the existence of transgendered people or the condition of gender dysmorphia.

To each his own.

That is even more stupid than your previous comments. I have had relationships with TS, and my current girlfriend is a TS that I love and respect dearly. So saying that I am not willing to consider their existance is just juvinile. Maybe when you grow up a little, your mind will be developed enough to understand most of what is said here.

[AlwaysAda]

so.. why do you like trannies? lmfao =)

[loveboof]

You must be young. Mainly because you do not read and understand every word that someone says. Then you make assumptions based on your own error.
Wow, if that's true then you must be young too!

You can correctly say you are bisexual and you prefer women and TS only, but mostly women.

[Ineeda SM]

so.. why do you like trannies? lmfao =)

LMAO! AlwaysAda is always beautiful. Thank you for blessing this stupid thread with your beauty.

[robertlouis]

LMAO! AlwaysAda is always beautiful. Thank you for blessing this stupid thread with your beauty.

Yep, just as the madness is starting to subside, Ada stirs the pot back to boiling point.

You're a bad girl, Ada. I like that. :dancing:

[postopadmirer]

H: postopadmirer's mom
oh yeah, i said it


Daddy!

[postopadmirer]

Daddy!

Can I have a pony?


Will you take me to the zoo?


Will you pay for my college?


Will you pay for my girlfriends sex change surgery?


Why don't we go on vacation like we used to?


Can I ride shotgun?


Why is your brother in jail?


Tell me about Santa Clause?


I lost a tooth but the tooth fairy didn't visit.
Why is the tooth FAIRY affraid to visit our house?

[RallyCola]

I did not doubt that you could read, you made that plain when you disagreed.
From hooked on phonics to phoney logic, your pseudo doctorates, and empty comments.
I liked you more an unknown name, but now I've seen you play your game!
We all can rhyme, but show me depth - and I'll show you some more respect.

is this what i am searching for? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSdFTVhFyyc)

[RallyCola]

Can I have a pony?


Will you take me to the zoo?


Will you pay for my college?


Will you pay for my girlfriends sex change surgery?


Why don't we go on vacation like we used to?


Can I ride shotgun?


Why is your brother in jail?


Tell me about Santa Clause?


I lost a tooth but the tooth fairy didn't visit.
Why is the tooth FAIRY affraid to visit our house?

holy shit...you didn't just QUOTE yourself did you.

that's a new level of narcissism

[postopadmirer]

R E S P E C TJust a little bit.

[rydermorrison]

I have noticed alot of dudes saying the whole reason for liking a tranny is because of the dick

But that's not the case for every dude. I think of trannies as women, pre or post-op and the dick is optional. I'd still fuck a post-op, i don't give a fuck.

I am not into trannies for the dick, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY TRANNY WANTS TO BE A TOP!

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

This has been my rebuttal to an on going never ending debate.

Thank you and have a blessed new year!

this is so true. to each his own but theyre are tons of guys into tgirls because we're beautiful and not becaise of our equipment below.... we are WOMEN! amd guys come in all types of shades. some love trans woman because theyre beautiful and they have a penis(bisexuals), some just want to suck cock and get fucked by a beatiful tgirl (gay), some guys want a masculine tgirl (gay). and some guys are just attracted to the female form and r secure enough in their masculinity not to careif we have a penis instead of a vagina (straight)...the latter has always been my sexual preference as im strictly a bottom and live my life as a hetero woman. this is just one girls opinion and i dont mean to offend ne one. im also on alot of vicodin as ive just had surgery lol. also sorry for the typos. im typing on my droid. peace and bless ya'll! happy new year!! :)

[AlwaysAda]

LMAO! AlwaysAda is always beautiful. Thank you for blessing this stupid thread with your beauty.

:salad anytime





Yep, just as the madness is starting to subside, Ada stirs the pot back to boiling point.

You're a bad girl, Ada. I like that. :dancing:


Sorry sometimes i cant control myself...

[robertlouis]

Sorry sometimes i cant control myself...

Now I like you even more lol

[postopadmirer]

this is so true. to each his own but theyre are tons of guys into tgirls because we're beautiful and not becaise of our equipment below.... we are WOMEN! amd guys come in all types of shades.

...snip...


some guys are just attracted to the female form and r secure enough in their masculinity not to careif we have a penis instead of a vagina.

...snip...


Ryder scores a home run!
That is how I feel right there.
but I prefer the va-jay-jay
Hope you are feeling better.
Enjoy the drugs while you can.
POA

[KittyPride]

There are guys that are into TS that dont love dick. Perhaps they love our personalities or who knows what they find attractive?
Anyway, it is those guys that I date.

[postopadmirer]

there are guys that are into ts that dont love dick. Perhaps they love our personalities or who knows what they find attractive?
Anyway, it is those guys that i date.



woot!!!!

[Silcc69]

There are guys that are into TS that dont love dick. Perhaps they love our personalities or who knows what they find attractive?
Anyway, it is those guys that I date.

I'd like to gander what you look like.

[giovanni_hotel]

Tgirls are like lemonade.

I would never suck on a lemon for the taste..who the hell would??
But you add of few cups of sugar, water, ice cubes and stir it up in a big glass pitcher and viola!!
Suddenly lemon juice tastes GOOD.

THe first time I saw a pretty trans-chick I was sprung. Everything just went together right.
Learning over time to appreciate a girl's genitalia is not the same as being on the prowl for random cock.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But that's not how I ended up in my present situation regarding TGs.

Saying that because I like lemonade must mean I love lemons is just wrong.

I like lemons when you mix it with sugar, water, etc.
Awkward analogy but it gets to the point that for many of us our attraction to tgirls doesn't begin and end with the dick.

http://thehealthyfox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/Lemonade.jpg


(Sucking lemons is sooo gay BTW!);)

[needsum]

this is so true. to each his own but theyre are tons of guys into tgirls because we're beautiful and not becaise of our equipment below.... we are WOMEN! amd guys come in all types of shades. some love trans woman because theyre beautiful and they have a penis(bisexuals), some just want to suck cock and get fucked by a beatiful tgirl (gay), some guys want a masculine tgirl (gay). and some guys are just attracted to the female form and r secure enough in their masculinity not to careif we have a penis instead of a vagina (straight)...the latter has always been my sexual preference as im strictly a bottom and live my life as a hetero woman. this is just one girls opinion and i dont mean to offend ne one. im also on alot of vicodin as ive just had surgery lol. also sorry for the typos. im typing on my droid. peace and bless ya'll! happy new year!! :)


ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!! Love you girl.... :fuckin:

[needsum]

Tgirls are like lemonade.

I would never suck on a lemon for the taste..who the hell would??
But you add of few cups of sugar, water, ice cubes and stir it up in a big glass pitcher and viola!!
Suddenly lemon juice tastes GOOD.

THe first time I saw a pretty trans-chick I was sprung. Everything just went together right.
Learning over time to appreciate a girl's genitalia is not the same as being on the prowl for random cock.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But that's not how I ended up in my present situation regarding TGs.

Saying that because I like lemonade must mean I love lemons is just wrong.

I like lemons when you mix it with sugar, water, etc.
Awkward analogy but it gets to the point that for many of us our attraction to tgirls doesn't begin and end with the dick.

http://thehealthyfox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/Lemonade.jpg


(Sucking lemons is sooo gay BTW!);)


again, WOW, Gio, you know how to put things very well. Props to you, my friend.

[RallyCola]

i just made a lemon flavored beer for my last home brew project. its out of season, i know...but if tgirls are like lemonade, then what is a frosty malty lemon beer....a lesbian with a strap on and hairy pits?

[postopadmirer]

Tgirls are like lemonade.

I would never suck on a lemon for the taste..who the hell would??
But you add of few cups of sugar, water, ice cubes and stir it up in a big glass pitcher and viola!!
Suddenly lemon juice tastes GOOD.

THe first time I saw a pretty trans-chick I was sprung. Everything just went together right.
Learning over time to appreciate a girl's genitalia is not the same as being on the prowl for random cock.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But that's not how I ended up in my present situation regarding TGs.

Saying that because I like lemonade must mean I love lemons is just wrong.

I like lemons when you mix it with sugar, water, etc.
Awkward analogy but it gets to the point that for many of us our attraction to tgirls doesn't begin and end with the dick.

http://thehealthyfox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/Lemonade.jpg


(Sucking lemons is sooo gay BTW!);)





He shoots, he scores!
I love the analogy, I think it is right on.


Thanks again for making the point in such a clear example.
I've learned in my time here that the folks how don't want to get it will not understand. But it is a good opportunity for them to get it.
POA

[SammiValentine]

lol.

[Prospero]

Labels are a waste of time. You could label me. I could label you. What does that prove.
I love T girls. I like g girls. I like sex. I like life. I like fun. The only labels I'll accept without argument are human and male. Oh also British i guess. if you want to label me wonderful I'll not argue. And brilliant. And kind and generous and fabulous and lovable and .........

[loveboof]

Labels are a waste of time.

That's exactly what I've been saying in this thread! I don't care if Rally, Ineeda, dgs (et al) consider themselves homosexual - just don't force your labels onto everyone else.

[KittyPride]

Learning over time to appreciate a girl's genitalia is not the same as being on the prowl for random cock.

Awkward analogy but it gets to the point that for many of us our attraction to tgirls doesn't begin and end with the dick.


Very true. Its just that some guys, you know... they make you feel like the world does not revolve around their cock, but around mine. :)

[RallyCola]

That's exactly what I've been saying in this thread! I don't care if Rally, Ineeda, dgs (et al) consider themselves homosexual - just don't force your labels onto everyone else.

oh...i'm not gay. i'm 100% straight but i like girls with cocks.

FYI...labels are very important. without them you'd never know what kind of beer you are buying. could be a nice craft brew...or could be coors piss water.

[Murderous-marge]

Get over it, you all like men with tits or without. You're gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Your on a damn site with men in wigs telling them they look good, get the fuck over the fact that you're all faggots.

[needsum]

get over it, you all like men with tits or without. You're gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Your on a damn site with men in wigs telling them they look good, get the fuck over the fact that you're all faggots.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[postopadmirer]

Get over it, you all like men with tits or without. You're gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Your on a damn site with men in wigs telling them they look good, get the fuck over the fact that you're all faggots.
I don't feel like a small bundle of firewood?

[postopadmirer]

More lemonade please.

[FreddieGomez]

Get over it, you all like men with tits or without. You're gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Your on a damn site with men in wigs telling them they look good, get the fuck over the fact that you're all faggots.

what up, paris?

[Ineeda SM]

Labels are a waste of time. You could label me. I could label you. What does that prove.
I love T girls. I like g girls. I like sex. I like life. I like fun. The only labels I'll accept without argument are human and male. Oh also British i guess. if you want to label me wonderful I'll not argue. And brilliant. And kind and generous and fabulous and lovable and .........

So are you trying to tell us you are a Tgirl, Ggirl, sex, life, fun, wonderful, kind, brilliant, generous and fabulous kind of British bloke? Or did I miss something?:)

[FreddieGomez]

The shit I say on here be off the wall sometimes lol on all the time fuck it it's never that serious

[up_for_it]

Sounds like somebody hasn't come to terms with the fact he likes chicks with dicks too.. :loser:



Get over it, you all like men with tits or without. You're gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Your on a damn site with men in wigs telling them they look good, get the fuck over the fact that you're all faggots.

[TsVanessa69]

there are men who are dick hungry, cock focused

there are men who date woman who happen to have a cock.
sex in anybodys bed is a 2 player sport.
if i had a clit i would want it licked
i have a dick
i still want it licked, especially if you want some ass.
thats why i always have a payment option
if you not gonna lick the dick, you gonna payme
both please me equally

[Nicole Dupre]

Get this through your fucking skulls, you simpletons. When a man is attracted to transsexuals, they're not attracted to "women". They're attracted to femininity. And women just don't have a monopoly on femininity. Not anymore, they don't. In fact, certain people with a penis beat certain people with a vagina hands down when it comes to femininity. So this whole "am I gay" thing is fucking retarded. It's grandiose, low self esteem bullshit. It has NOTHING to do with being into transsexuals AND/OR being into cock. Guys who are into cock, which many homosexual men just so happen to be, are not necessarily gay. Loving cock is not homosexuality. Homosexuality takes two human beings. It's not some guy thinking a lot about how hot sodomy and cocks are.

And he may be crude and blunt at times, but Freddie is actually more on the money right here than most of you are giving him credit for. I don't care how Ashley and Kelly want to rationalize sleeping with guys who are either 50% fag or 90% fag ie. guys who consider fucking another dude. If that's what it takes for both of them to feel like they fit into a demographic, that's actually a good thing. Let them live in a fool's paradise.

But let's not mince words here. Being into transsexual women, when you're a man, is not "gay". It's not even "bi". Men into pre-op trannies have more in common with child molesters, if you want to know the truth. But just thank your lucky stars that you're wired to want to fuck us and not children. But you guys are perverts if you like cock. Make no mistake about that. But so what? So you're perverts. Big fucking deal. Just stick to consenting adults and tell the world to mind it's own fucking business, you introverted, self-doubting, low esteem motherfuckers. "I'm against labels. Don't label me. Blah blah blah." Uh huh. You can label yourselves as perverts and get it over with. You're fucking pervs. End of story. To even be on a porn forum makes you a degenerate of some kind. Get over yourselves and your precious heterosexuality. If you must know, anyone obsessed with cock is a pervert. Ok? Get lives, you fucking perverts. And be proud. Even a drunken, mentally ill hermit like Dino is more on the right track because he accepts that he's a social outcast and a degenerated mutant. But look at him. He sits in his own shit and drinks his life away. He's hopeless.

You guys might even be considered ground-breaking trail blazers for being into trannies. Look at Seanchai. Where would he be if he was a coward about declaring what he liked? Well, compared to you clowns, he's Christopher Columbus. You want to be part of the "new world"? Leave your families' and your friends' antiquated notions about "gay" back in the old world and get on the fucking boat if you have the balls. But don't think you're going to make it from shore to shore "hiding below deck". We ARE women, and you need to hold your heads up high and be proud you even have us. Feel honored. We're more woman than many of you can handle.

[jimbo1974]

To even be on a porn forum makes you a degenerate of some kind.

hehe. Im a fucking degenerate ! Yay for my degenerate genes


We ARE women, and you need to hold your heads up high and be proud you even have us. Feel honored. We're more woman than many of you can handle.

We are honoured. Very honoured *bows down*. etc

I avoid these type of threads like the plague.

I like looking at trannies. End Of. Analyse the fuck out of my sexuality if you wish - i myself cant be arsed. Who cares really ??

[Nicole Dupre]

hehe. Im a fucking degenerate ! Yay for my degenerate genes



We are honoured. Very honoured *bows down*. etc

I avoid these type of threads like the plague.

I like looking at trannies. End Of. Analyse the fuck out of my sexuality if you wish - i myself cant be arsed. Who cares really ??
I'm talking about sexual degenerates. It's a social, not a biological, thing. It has very little to do with genetics.

And if you enjoy looking at women, you're like any other red-blooded hetero man, even if they're beautiful transsexual women. That's why I don't know why more guys aren't proud. Oh. But that's right. Many are obsessed with COCKS. But if you're obsessed with anyone's genitals, you're perverse. But that's ok to some extent.

As long as you don't look at or fantasize about children, and get an erection for them, you're basically fine. But if you do, you're potentially a dangerous predator and need to be castrated and possibly lobotomized imo.

[jimbo1974]

I cant tell you how relieved i am that i pass your normality test.

I was dead worried

[Nicole Dupre]

I cant tell you how relieved i am that i pass your normality test.

I was dead worried
You should be.

[jimbo1974]

You should be.

handbags - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PIckHrZ0o)

[Nicole Dupre]

handbags - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PIckHrZ0o)
If not, you'd just be some random twit, staring slack-jawed into a screen at a pair of tits with a cock on the same body. But I raise the bar and you, god help you, just try to keep up.

[buckjohnson]

Nicole I agree with you except...Guys who are into cock, which many homosexual men just so happen to be, are not necessarily gay. Loving cock is not homosexuality. Homosexuality takes two human beings

Loving cock is being a homo/gay. if you are a genetic male. I don't walk down the street looking at a guys ass or wondering about sucking cock. Which is why I agree with the rest of you post esp They're attracted to femininity part. When gay/home guys check me out, they are not attracted to me because I am witty and charming, or the fact the 151 rum I have in my hand is tasty, they like the curve of my ass or the bulge in my pants...and that is gay. Liking a TG cock is gay, and behavior rooted in being a homo.
Another poster said sucking a cock is like liking sucking a clit. Though physiologically a clit/cock maybe be , it is a big psychological step for a man to stick a cock in his mouth. I am not willing to go there
.

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole I agree with you except...Guys who are into cock, which many homosexual men just so happen to be, are not necessarily gay. Loving cock is not homosexuality. Homosexuality takes two human beings

Loving cock is being a homo/gay. if you are a genetic male. I don't walk down the street looking at a guys ass or wondering about sucking cock. Which is why I agree with the rest of you post esp They're attracted to femininity part. When gay/home guys check me out, they are not attracted to me because I am witty and charming, or the fact the 151 rum I have in my hand is tasty, they like the curve of my ass or the bulge in my pants...and that is gay. Liking a TG cock is gay, and behavior rooted in being a homo.
Another poster said sucking a cock is like liking sucking a clit. Though physiologically a clit/cock maybe be , it is a big psychological step for a man to stick a cock in his mouth. I am not willing to go there
.
Yeah? And where did I say that loving cock meant you were gay? I'm the rare girl here who doesn't think that's true.

However, cock-freaks are all the same in one respect. They don't really care about much else. They're like crackheads for dick.

"She's pretty but how big's her cock?"

"He only works out and has that body because he has a small dick."

I've heard these same lines for years. You can't satisfy these people. Just look at Kim, ramming fire hydrants up her crossdresser ass. I'm telling you, cock obsession is a perversion. It's not necessarily a harmful perversion, but it's an unsavory obsession, and anyone can get hooked.

But I suppose I'm not better. I love sadistic, often very elaborate, B&D role play with submissive men. So I'm a pervert too. But hot guys still turn me on in a very basic way. I can have passionate sex with the right guy as well, just because he was cute. He can fuck me and I'll suck his dick, just like any vanilla hetero girl might want to. It's not all about the kinky shit with me.

[up_for_it]

Just look at Kim, ramming fire hydrants up her crossdresser ass. I'm telling you, cock obsession is a perversion. It's not necessarily a harmful perversion, but it's an unsavory obsession, and anyone can get hooked.

But I suppose I'm not better. I love sadistic, often very elaborate, B&D role play with submissive men. So I'm a pervert too.

Lol, good one re: Kim, that shits out of control. And as for the BDSM, thats not perversion- just a good time for everyone :jerkoff

[jimbo1974]

But I raise the bar and you, god help you, just try to keep up.

O......K

[natina]

maybe you do not like the way the dude looks but like the way the TRANNY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL

Middle Sexes - Experiment on homophobia - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEuDDvqYbVw)


I have noticed alot of dudes saying the whole reason for liking a tranny is because of the dick

But that's not the case for every dude. I think of trannies as women, pre or post-op and the dick is optional. I'd still fuck a post-op, i don't give a fuck.

I am not into trannies for the dick, JUST LIKE NOT EVERY TRANNY WANTS TO BE A TOP!

I'm sick of this debate, people always saying i can't be into trannies if i don't like dick. Well if i liked dick so much i'd just get a regular dude. Not all dudes into trannies want the dick, we see trannies as the women they are, not a mystical being with a dick.

This has been my rebuttal to an on going never ending debate.

Thank you and have a blessed new year!

[GrimFusion]

Cleanliness? I like anal, but females can be pretty disgusting. If sex is a possibility, anal with a transsexual is relatively guaranteed. There's no need getting a tranny black-out drunk first. No reason for her to ass-out at the last second. Most importantly, they won't freak the fuck out when I go down for a scratch and sniff. Years of dealing with GGs and anal taught me to always commit to a rimjob before the ol' poke-and-plunge. I've had to call it off more than once with GGs because some of them won't so much as evacuate, let alone wash or douche.

I'm not a big fan of dick. I'm not afraid of it, but I'm not the type of guy that offers blowjobs and I'm not easily persuaded. I'm just a sucker for a cute face, nice tits, big ass... personality... uh, and intelligence, I guess. The last two aren't necessarily requirements, but the physical characteristics are befitting of women. That's because guys just don't do anything for me.

So, yeah. Guaranteed anal, and they're usually cleaner. Less of a chance of poopdick. Poopdick makes me sad.

[natina]

no answer freddie gomez?

maybe you do not like the way the dude looks but like the way the TRANNY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL



maybe you do not like the way the dude looks but like the way the TRANNY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL

Middle Sexes - Experiment on homophobia - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEuDDvqYbVw)

[ditadior]

lololol.

i think this is so funny.

its like people are saying if you don't like a dick then why do you like a tranny.
well then i must not be a real transsexual when i say i hate when people go down on me or ask me to penetrate them.

everyone is different, we are all attracted to people differently.

some people like vanilla some like chocolate..

in my case i like dominant manly men full of testostrone that don't ask me to top (which i dont) and for personal prefernce as of outside of escorting and porn they don't ask and are scared to touch, look or suck my dick.

we are all different, if what i am saying is weird then call me a freak put the triangle hat on my head , point and laugh at me while i weep alone in the corner.