Shocking new video from Sarina Valentina!!

[Tina Francis]

...This is terrible news...I hope she can get over this, and I wish the industry would come up with a health plan for these girls...:(

Silicone Injections: The Ugly Truth - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEeCNcw7xbU&list=UUH8_k1vjppmS8VzxPrU_Qrw&index=1&feature=plcp)

[postopadmirer]

Sarina is vary brave for posting this. Hope others learn from her warning.

[Merkurie]

Sabrina is vary brave for posting this. Hope others learn from her warning.

Don't count on it.

[needsum]

damn. I wish her the best. I'm sorry that she had to go through this but I hope it helps her out in the long run, and I especially hope it helps those who are considering getting it done to rethink their decision. Good luck honey!!

[Jimmy W]

That took guts. I hope you recover quickly Sarina.

[Tika]

God after listening for 2 minutes I just wanted to smack her. I'll try to get through the rest of it later. I wonder if the idiots that are "desperate" to get silicone injections will reconsider after this.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's very sad :(

[melbourne1]

God after listening for 2 minutes I just wanted to smack her. I'll try to get through the rest of it later.

Why? She's lovely. Just made a mistake!

[Tiffany Starr]

I was with her when she discovered it starting. I am sorry for her since i am close friends with her. love you sarina baby.

[Quiet Reflections]

I suspect natina will be coming by with an 'I told you so" post.

[Nikka]

Mariana cordoba cannot roll on her hips because it HURTS , claudia candelora cannot put on her knees because it HURTS, all these girls with silicone have issues, just nobody talk about it

[ed_jaxon]

Probably the most informative thing I have seen on HA.

I wasn't before but I am now a huge fan of Sarina. Her realness is incredible and you can tell she is very talented and articulate.

Best of luck in what lies ahead for her.

[GroobySteven]

claudia candelora cannot put on her knees because it HURTS,
That's got to be difficult in her line of work?

Most of the girls in Brazil have silicone which eventually settles in their feet (you don't see many Brazilian girls feet in shoots after a few years. They have to have it scraped out. If it gets into your bloodsteam it can go to heart, brain, etc and cause a blockage ... or your lungs and suffocate you slowly.
It's very sad.

[Mayrah]

I watched that video a couple of days ago and its pretty sad how these procedures are so in demand despite the enormous amounts of mishaped forms, long term damage and deaths of random shit being injected into your body's.

[EvonRose]

An hour glass shape is not only for women with the waist to hip ratio of 38-26-38, like sarina and other girls but but I am a 36-24-35 and is still considered an hourglass.... i think... but this video def sums up my fear and never ever going to go trough it... i heard of 3 friends having complications already...

[Mayrah]

An hour glass shape is not only for women with the waist to hip ratio of 38-26-38, like sarina and other girls but but I am a 36-24-35 and is still considered an hourglass.... i think... but this video def sums up my fear and never ever going to go trough it... i heard of 3 friends having complications already...

how do you get such a small waist?

[Odelay]

I wasn't before but I am now a huge fan of Sarina. Her realness is incredible and you can tell she is very talented and articulate.

Same here. The easy thing would have been for her to deal with this in private. Hopefully she gains some benefit(s) for going public with this.

[Quiet Reflections]

An hour glass shape is not only for women with the waist to hip ratio of 38-26-38, like sarina and other girls but but I am a 36-24-35 and is still considered an hourglass.... i think... but this video def sums up my fear and never ever going to go trough it... i heard of 3 friends having complications already...
36-24-36 used to be considered perfect so you aren't far off

[tsadriana]

Absolutly stunning girl and such a strong minded girl with great personality .Happy New Year to u Sarina and good luck...im sure everything will be fine in the end xxxxx

[postopadmirer]

Don't count on it.

Why?

[addicted]

God after listening for 2 minutes I just wanted to smack her. I'll try to get through the rest of it later. I wonder if the idiots that are "desperate" to get silicone injections will reconsider after this.

wow your an insensitive gutless piece of shit, fuck you

[giovanni_hotel]

Jeezus!!!

I hope Sarina continues to stay up to date with her doctor and continue follow up. It should be something she can eventually get past and live a healthy life.
Once again I've taken for granted how difficult and challenging it must be for girls to go through the process of transitioning.

A very sad series of events.
Get better soon, Sarina.

[Fancy fancy]

are we talking breast implants, or actual injections straight into various parts of the body i.e legs, butt etc

[Mayrah]

Straight Injections

[EvonRose]

i work out, lots of pilates and cardio, and healthy diet....

i didn't know 36-24-36 was considered that... hmmm more butt work out for me...

[feneman]

it's quite sad to hear this, but as I have always said and will always say,
for anything (SPECIALLY YOUR HEALTH) you need to go to someone who knows his stuff.
I wish her all the best, and hope things will get better soon.

Health-wise, you always need a doctor to be involved (if it's non-trivial), now ... even within doctor, one must be careful.
Some surgeons will say they are esthetic surgeons ... DO NOT GO THERE ! esthetic/cosmetic surgery is NOT a medical specialty, PLASTIC SURGERY is !! (actually, depending on the country it's either plastic surgery or plastic and reconstructive surgery.)

Unfortunately, in the states I think plastic surgery is not free and probably cost bundles, but in other places it is much cheaper/free (depending on your healthcare, since you can probably make it pass as "reconstructive" instead of "cosmetic",
I think in Quebec, anything under 250cc is considered non-cosmetic change and therefor is covered)

Even though, to all those who wish to get implants, remember, this is your body, do not cheap out on it.
Also, before I forget, implants are ... well, implants !! they are mostly saline (some are silicones) INSIDE a type of bag that is placed (depending on your body type) either under the major pectoralis muscles or over it.

I truly hope Sarine will be ok, but remember, before doing anything major, inform yourselves, educate yourselves be patient, ask for references, ask for second opinions.

[SammiValentine]

it's quite sad to hear this, but as I have always said and will always say,
for anything (SPECIALLY YOUR HEALTH) you need to go to someone who knows his stuff.
I wish her all the best, and hope things will get better soon.

Health-wise, you always need a doctor to be involved (if it's non-trivial), now ... even within doctor, one must be careful.
Some surgeons will say they are esthetic surgeons ... DO NOT GO THERE ! esthetic/cosmetic surgery is NOT a medical specialty, PLASTIC SURGERY is !! (actually, depending on the country it's either plastic surgery or plastic and reconstructive surgery.)

Unfortunately, in the states I think plastic surgery is not free and probably cost bundles, but in other places it is much cheaper/free (depending on your healthcare, since you can probably make it pass as "reconstructive" instead of "cosmetic",
I think in Quebec, anything under 250cc is considered non-cosmetic change and therefor is covered)

Even though, to all those who wish to get implants, remember, this is your body, do not cheap out on it.
Also, before I forget, implants are ... well, implants !! they are mostly saline (some are silicones) INSIDE a type of bag that is placed (depending on your body type) either under the major pectoralis muscles or over it.

I truly hope Sarine will be ok, but remember, before doing anything major, inform yourselves, educate yourselves be patient, ask for references, ask for second opinions.

I do not think it is anything to do with implants, it is injections.

I could be wrong but I do not think the injection of silicone is legal anywhere - it is not something I have ever considered am sure others know more...??

I cant actually listen to the video on this machine, damn no sound in flash bug .. :P

I hope she makes a full recovery x x

[feneman]

BTW, straight injections are FREAKING dangerous !!!
that is silicone they inject ... silicone gets absorbed (but cannot be decomposed) and may very well do what we call a "fat-embolism" (which can be massive) which basically clogs up the arteries of your lungs creating a shunt (non-oxygenated blood that bypasses ventilation) and also creating a right heart failure (the arteries of the lungs are clogged so the blood cannot push through, and it all gets backed-up.)

VERY scary stuff indeed :(

[feneman]

I do not think it is anything to do with implants, it is injections.

I could be wrong but I do not think the injection of silicone is legal anywhere - it is not something I have ever considered am sure others know more...??

I cant actually listen to the video on this machine, damn no sound in flash bug .. :P

I hope she makes a full recovery x x

That is what I am saying, they are always implants, never injections; no health professional would inject silicone DIRECTLY ! It is just a "bag" full of saline/silicone.

[Jericho]

Why?

Why?
Why do you think?

There's a been a shit ton of stories like this one before, there'll be a shit ton after this one.

No matter who warns them of the dangers, girls want instant results (usually on the cheap (or, it's all they can afford)).

[postopadmirer]

Why?
Why do you think?

There's a been a shit ton of stories like this one before, there'll be a shit ton after this one.

No matter who warns them of the dangers, girls want instant results (usually on the cheap (or, it's all they can afford)).

Point taken
POA

[SammiValentine]

That is what I am saying, they are always implants, never injections; no health professional would inject silicone DIRECTLY ! It is just a "bag" full of saline/silicone.

My apologies - I found it hard to glean that from your original post - my bad. :) x

[Nivek]

Awww this Breaks my heart! All the best for you Sarina!!

[Silcc69]

Can somebody give me a rundown as to what happened she was taking a bit to long to explain what was going on.

[FreddieGomez]

200% passable, voice and body

the baddest

[Ben]

It's very sad :(

It is....
Just a question: would [or maybe should] public health care cover breast implants??? I mean, if we had universal public health care -- :)

[Ben]

It is....
Just a question: would [or maybe should] public health care cover breast implants??? I mean, if we had universal public health care -- :)

Is Public Healthcare a Right or a Reward? - Julio Frenk - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3bzzF0YNA)

[TSPornFan]

I am sorry this is happening to her. Everyone should know better than to go to a black market doctor.

[Ben]

What Sarina says at the 9:24 minute mark, "I don't have health insurance." This is why we need universal public health care. Everyone, especially Sarina now, needs care. We need it. Americans want it. Why don't we have it? I think it may have something to do with concentrated private capital -- ha ha!
Anyway, public health care is about kindness and compassion. It's also more efficient and brings about better results....
I mean, even President Obama's own mom was fighting with insurance companies when she was literally dying of cancer.
And Obama said in 2003 he was in favor of single payer:

Barack Obama and single payer health care - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM)

[Gillian]

This is why we need universal public health care. Everyone, especially Sarina now, needs care. We need it. Americans want it. Why don't we have it?
A topical issue as we have the problem in the UK with the French PPI implants. It now looks like the advice will be to have them removed but should the UK's National Health Service pay for all of those removals?

I say no. Woman who had implants done privately for cosmetic reasons should, IHMO, get them removed at their own expense. On the other hand, women who had reconstructive surgery on the NHS following, for example, a mastectomy, should certainly have the removal paid for. Were she in the UK, Sarina could probably argue her surgery was part of her transition and hence not simply cosmetic.

I think the problem is that very few if any PPI implants were used by the NHS and the issue is with private plastic surgeons, famously, poorly regulated in the UK.

[gmercer]

I saw this video last night, and it made me so sad. I remember when she reappeared as Sarina after a break of a few years from first bursting on the scene, and her hips and butt were noticeably rounder. I worried that she may have done silicone injections to get that new look, and it turns out that was the case. Hopefully she can get that stuff removed and get back to good health.

Maybe some of the ladies can answer this, but I've been reading about fat transfer, where they use your own fat from one place in the body to inject in places where you want a rounder look. Is that the safer alternative to sil? I know that some of the fat may be absorbed so it might require multiple procedures to get the desired look. So is it simply a matter of money, where fat transfer is more expensive, or is it that fat transfer just doesn't work compared to direct silicone injections?

[NatashaLover]

Wish her the best, never met her but she sounds like a nice girl.
Thats why I better stay the way I am and stay away from these kind of problems.

[AmyDaly]

A topical issue as we have the problem in the UK with the French PPI implants. It now looks like the advice will be to have them removed but should the UK's National Health Service pay for all of those removals?

I say no. Woman who had implants done privately for cosmetic reasons should, IHMO, get them removed at their own expense. On the other hand, women who had reconstructive surgery on the NHS following, for example, a mastectomy, should certainly have the removal paid for. Were she in the UK, Sarina could probably argue her surgery was part of her transition and hence not simply cosmetic.

I think the problem is that very few if any PPI implants were used by the NHS and the issue is with private plastic surgeons, famously, poorly regulated in the UK.

I see where you are coming from. I don't know how the UK works, but in the US, we have something called the FDA which regulates and lets us know if certain products should be OK to use. If the breast implants were approved to be OK to use and sold to the public with an FDA approval on them, then if we had socialized health care, I think it would be the governments responsibility to take care of the people who trusted in the FDA to tell them its safe to use when they turn out to be harmful. If the UK has anything like the FDA and approved the implants to be OK to use, they should be taking care of those people who trusted in the government to give a seal of approval on a product.

However, in a case like this where the person chose to put things in their body that everyone knows is harmful....I dunno.

[TSPornFan]

What Sarina says at the 9:24 minute mark, "I don't have health insurance." This is why we need universal public health care. Everyone, especially Sarina now, needs care. We need it. Americans want it. Why don't we have it? I think it may have something to do with concentrated private capital -- ha ha!
Anyway, public health care is about kindness and compassion. It's also more efficient and brings about better results....
I mean, even President Obama's own mom was fighting with insurance companies when she was literally dying of cancer.
And Obama said in 2003 he was in favor of single payer:

Barack Obama and single payer health care - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM)

I think you're forgetting ask another question. Sarina doesn't have health insurance!? So she is not making any money doing porn? Her site isn't creating any income? I think we need to question the TS industry for underpaying girls.

[AmyDaly]

I think you're forgetting ask another question. Sarina doesn't have health insurance!? So she is not making any money doing porn? Her site isn't creating any income? I think we need to question the TS industry for underpaying girls.

Its not about underpaying people. We make hundreds of dollars an hour for the work that we do. Its just that there isn't enough work out there to afford things like health insurance unless you escort or venture into working behind the camera to generate more work for yourself. Especially for the girls who think they are worth more than other girls and end up getting even less work because they ask for too much. Not only that, but as you can see most of these girls rather spend money on vanity.

[Silcc69]

I wish Sarina the best of luck and I also wish she would come in here too.

[EvonRose]

Its not about underpaying people. We make hundreds of dollars an hour for the work that we do. Its just that there isn't enough work out there to afford things like health insurance unless you escort or venture into working behind the camera to generate more work for yourself. Especially for the girls who think they are worth more than other girls and end up getting even less work because they ask for too much. Not only that, but as you can see most of these girls rather spend money on vanity.


Sarina escorts part time, so its not that she does not make money... I don't do porn and i feel that I'm well off with 800 a sessions, plus my main income with my benefactors... it's not about the money because health insurance just makes it harder for ts because on regular basis of hormones we are considered risks, I had to find a loophole to get my insurance, I have benefactors in the us and in europe and I found a way to get insurance in europe plus i find service there way better!

I just feel that ts women should think about the future as soon as they start making income, because the future really does matter and they forget to live in the future as oppose to living now...

[Merkurie]

I wish Sarina all the best for a successful recovery.

[SXFX]

shame this sucks she is a very attractive very nice sounding girl.
Sadly she is right the only way to take it out is to pull it out...not very good and not very easy and not pretty.
We are talking about some very serious scarring :-( It's a shame because she has a beautiful body which is her means of income.
Poor girl :-( I hope she feels better ASAP!

[postopadmirer]

So who do you trust?

If not everybody has good health-care and sometimes your friends are stupid or you get bad advice on the Internet or a silicon injection pusher. who should you trust for advice?


Let's face it there are alot of conflicting voices in these forums and the trans community. I never had doubts that you should not pump aquarium glue into my hips, but what if all my friends are doing it? I might think it is ok and safe.


Like EvonRose said 'think about the future'. How do you know when you have the right group of advisors for your transition? How do you know when you have advisors with the right prospective.


I would recommend at lest the following folks be in your network.
1. A mentor - somebody who has been were you are and is now where you want to be and will give you "how to" and "how not to" advice.
2. Technical expert - somebody who will give you competent medical advice (doctor or clinic councilor) as long as they have above average medical knowledge.
3. A friend - somebody who is willing to tell you when you are making a mistake, but will stand by you even if you make it.


I think with this group at least two of the three would have said silicone in your butt is a very bad idea.


POA

[EvonRose]

So who do you trust?

If not everybody has good health-care and sometimes your friends are stupid or you get bad advice on the Internet or a silicon injection pusher. who should you trust for advice?


Let's face it there are alot of conflicting voices in these forums and the trans community. I never had doubts that you should not pump aquarium glue into my hips, but what if all my friends are doing it? I might think it is ok and safe.


Like EvonRose said 'think about the future'. How do you know when you have the right group of advisors for your transition? How do you know when you have advisors with the right prospective.


I would recommend at lest the following folks be in your network.
1. A mentor - somebody who has been were you are and is now where you want to be and will give you "how to" and "how not to" advice.
2. Technical expert - somebody who will give you competent medical advice (doctor or clinic councilor) as long as they have above average medical knowledge.
3. A friend - somebody who is willing to tell you when you are making a mistake, but will stand by you even if you make it.


I think with this group at least two of the three would have said silicone in your butt is a very bad idea.


POA

You should be your own advisor... I know we are smart enough to know and do our research and we are pretty educated enough to know when something is medically approved or not, if its not approved there is a good reason for it! Second listen to your doctors, not black market doctors but real doctors. They will tell you, give it time, transition goes on for years even for genetic women, there is no such thing as easy fix, work for what you want! And I'm sure many of these ts know it was bad for them but they did it anyway... Its your body and your the one paying for the price, Bottom line.

Health first, beauty second gals.... c'mon!

[Nikka]

I blame men in general, they want curvy girls

[Nikka]

think we need to question the TS industry for underpaying girls.

shut up

a fashion female model who work on tv in my country make the same as a TS model in USA so shut the fuck up

do to mess with the indians mapuches

[NatashaLover]

I blame men in general, they want curvy girls

Well actually it should not be what men want, girls should modified their bodies because they want to do it and not because men want it. Girls have to accept how they look and for people to accept them how they are. If a guy doesnt like me because I have a small ass or because something else I dont care, there will always be guys who will like them. Everyone has diferent taste and sometimes girls want to please everyone.

[needsum]

Well actually it should not be what men want, girls should modified their bodies because they want to do it and not because men want it. Girls have to accept how they look and for people to accept them how they are. If a guy doesnt like me because I have a small ass or because something else I dont care, there will always be guys who will like them. Everyone has diferent taste and sometimes girls want to please everyone.

I agree with this. The girl should be doing it for herself first and only. I can understand wanting to be pleasing to everyone else and to be accepted and be pretty, sexy, desireable, etc. But don't do anything to yourself for anybody else. There will always be someone who will love you for you, and not because you bought yourself some hips, or a big butt, or bigger tits, etc. Cockhounds aside, there are many of us who love you because of the women inside you, and not because you have a big ass, some boobs and a cock. its up to you, NOT US, to decide how to be that woman. If you are true to yourself, then nobody can say a damn thing to you to take anything away from you. Nothing is worth the risk if the risk could kill you, or make your life miserable in the long run.

[Tiffany Starr]

Its not about underpaying people. We make hundreds of dollars an hour for the work that we do. Its just that there isn't enough work out there to afford things like health insurance unless you escort or venture into working behind the camera to generate more work for yourself. Especially for the girls who think they are worth more than other girls and end up getting even less work because they ask for too much. Not only that, but as you can see most of these girls rather spend money on vanity.

quite right amy :-) that's why I have a 2nd job and still go to school. can't rely solely on the porn industry for income.

[SammiValentine]

pvt health insurances have a lot of small print....... best advice is to save up and keep some money stashed away for the bad times, when your ill, have an accident or things go wrong- that's the best insurance you can get.

[SFTB]

I think we need to question the TS industry for underpaying girls.

STFU Franklin. You porn obsessed asshole. You see the whole TS world through your porn goggles. It makes me wonder if you have ever even interacted with a transexual beyond the internet, much less met one. I watched my ex go through elective surgeries and pain I couldnt imagine until she could get the person in the mirror to match the person in her mind. That included going to Mexico and getting her ribs cracked and reset. I've known girls to get pumped at parties in hotels, take hormones bought at some shady flea market in LA, start doing meth to get skinny, get fat taken from their belly and pumped into their face, the list goes on... Alot of girls really want to get to this ideal image they have set in their minds and make some risky decisions to get there.

You show an ignorance of transexuals and the insurance industry. But I'm sure your encyclopedic knowledge of porn comes in handy.

[MrsKellyPierce]

This makes me sad of course, but relieved I didn't get pumped when I was going to...something in my head told me to back out and I did..

I feel so sorry for Sarina...

Insurance with blue cross and blue shield is only $280 a month girls...

[bte]

After watching the video, is it just me or does anyone else just want to give Sarina a hug (in a non-sexual way).

[MacShreach]

Firstly may I say how much I sympathise with Serena. She is a young girl who is obviously in pain and who is frightened too. I don't know if Serena reads this board, but if you do, it appears from your vlog that you are continuing with an exercise programme that involves sit-ups. You say something like 'It's as if I'm rolling on a rock,' at one point. You really should stop that right now, if you haven't already. It is unquestionably causing further trauma to an already inflamed area and can't do other than make the problem worse. In fact, it might easily have caused the problem to flare up in the first place. Have you discussed your exercise regime with your doctor? My apologies if I have this wrong.

A better approach to exercise for people who have delicacies, either self-induced or as a result of injury, can be to find a decent sports swimming pool--one laid out in lanes for training, not the kind with the flumes--and get a coach there to work up a daily routine. Swimming exercises all the muscle groups and gives a mix of exercise types, as well as improving heart and lung performance; but more importantly, here anyway, it involves no contact trauma (unless you smack your head off the edge from not looking, of course 8)

Good luck anyway kiddo.

[Fancy fancy]

I agree with this, makes total sense.

Its kind of sad the lengths people go to sometimes, not sure if this is to satisfy their own aspirations for themselves, or what girls think men want. I like imperfections, its what makes us what we are!

I wish Sarina all the best




You should be your own advisor... I know we are smart enough to know and do our research and we are pretty educated enough to know when something is medically approved or not, if its not approved there is a good reason for it! Second listen to your doctors, not black market doctors but real doctors. They will tell you, give it time, transition goes on for years even for genetic women, there is no such thing as easy fix, work for what you want! And I'm sure many of these ts know it was bad for them but they did it anyway... Its your body and your the one paying for the price, Bottom line.

Health first, beauty second gals.... c'mon!

[Ecstatic]

Sarina, if you read this, I wish you all the best. Hopefully you are young and healthy enough to recover from this. The cure however, as you describe briefly, is intense and painful in itself. I shudder over anyone getting straight silicone injections, especially since these are quite often industrial grade silcone and not medical grade. Implants have risks--the containers can leak--but the incidence of problems is vastly lower, and the quality of the silcone gel is much higher.

I fully understand the urgency Sarina and other transgenders at a young age (late teens/early twenties) have to make their bodies match their internal gender. That need is powerful, and absent the fiscal means to attain quality medical care, the impetus to go black market is strong. But as Sarina says, don't do it.

I admire you, Sarina, for speaking out so clearly and boldly about what you have experienced, in hopes that others will not make the same mistake you did.

[Solitary Brother]

200% passable, voice and body

the baddest


I am terribly impressed by her.
I am not a fan of the look because its very plastic/fake/barbie with the giant boobs and the porcelain skin but her passibility is off the charts.
I mean someone that looks like that you might say "ok she could be trans"...but to me she doesnt even register as trans.
I can NOT clock her.
I am just terribly impressed not by the look but by the woman I see and hear coming from her.

[Tobe]

It is a good thing that she is speaking out about her experiences... hopefully it will help others think twice.

There is a reason that the FDA has not approved liquid silicone injections for widespread usage. We simply do not have sufficient data about its safety.

I have a couple of points/suggestions:

* It sounds like she has developed a foreign body granuloma (in this case, it may be termed a siliconoma, as it is due to silicone). Basically, our bodies do not like foreign objects, so they try to ingest them within macrophages (a type of immune cell) if they are small enough. Larger objects, such as those formed by silicone globules, cannot be taken up by macrophages, so they are surrounded by many macrophages, which can coalesce into giant cells. This leads to inflammation as well as scarring, since fibroblasts (cells that lay down scar tissue) also migrate to the area. Sometimes, people may even develop a sterile abscess. These granulomatous reactions may occur anywhere from months to years after the actual injections. Also, some people are more prone to get them than others. It is also theorized that impurities in non-medical grade silicone may increase the risks.

* Surgery to remove the silicone was mentioned. This is usually not a feasible option. The silicone distributes in between one's own cells, so to take it out, the surgeon would have to debride a lot of normal tissue and would lead to scarring and deformities without being able to remove all the silicone.

* I reviewed the literature and it appears that the main methods of treating these are: 1) Injections of corticosteroids directly into the granulomas. This has been shown to work for small granulomas caused by injection of small amounts of silicone to the face (I am not sure if there is great evidence for their effectiveness in larger lesions).
2) Taking systemic corticosteroids at relatively high doses by mouth; other people have successfully used minocycline, an antibiotic that has anti-inflammatory properties as well. Of course, systemic steroids are not without side effects.
3) Surgery is a last resort and often not very effective.

Here are some articles on the subject:
http://dermatology.cdlib.org/147/letter/silicone/ricotti.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19483588

[the_corner]

Dumb question, but here it goes... if all of the silicone is cluttered together as a result of the body rejecting it.... why can't doctors just put a big syringe in the zone and pump out the silicone?... that would probably not get everything out, but would be non invasive and would get "most of the job" done.

Maybe someone with medical experience can explain?

[alyssaluxor]

this is just so sad to see and i could totally relate to her

i had silicone injections before and a doctor scrape it off my body before but he said he wouldnt be able to scrape it all. i found out what they inject is not really silicone oil but its an industrial silicone oil use in pipes in building construction. the doctor said if injected in youre body it will be a wound. i know many TS girls who died because if Silicone injections

[kellyh]

How awful, I feel bad for her.Hope she is able to get the help she needs.

[steve1]

I watched this video last night and have not been able to get over how sad I feel for Sarina who I found very impressive, brave and articulate. I really do wish her well. We have all made mistakes in our lives and hope we never live to rue them.

i do not exactly understand what medical treatment is available from the government in the USA but surely if this making her ill and if it becomes life threatening will she still have to pay for treatment.

[shagger]

Sarina is one of the prettiest TS in the circuit and a nice girl it seems. This situation she is in is bad enough and could develop into a life threatning condition. When she overcomes this problem she had better go back to the figure she had before all this silicole nonsense, she was much nicer and sexier then and still a lovely TS.

[postopadmirer]

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i do not exactly understand what medical treatment is available from the government in the USA but surely if this making her ill and if it becomes life threatening will she still have to pay for treatment.

I'm no expert but I think she will have to spend most of her own money before the government will do much of anything and what they do will be the bare minimum to save her life, not restore quality of life.

[EvonRose]

I'm no expert but I think she will have to spend most of her own money before the government will do much of anything and what they do will be the bare minimum to save her life, not restore quality of life.

Yes i agree, in their eyes she chose to get this surgery, the only thing the gov will do is pay to get the silicone taken out leaving her large holes in her butt, hips and leg areas, she will be disfigured so she needs to spend with her own money for the reconstructive part of it also...

[italianamerican25]

Sorry to hear what she is going through. Hope she gets it taken care of soon and has a healthy recovery.

[Tobe]

Dumb question, but here it goes... if all of the silicone is cluttered together as a result of the body rejecting it.... why can't doctors just put a big syringe in the zone and pump out the silicone?... that would probably not get everything out, but would be non invasive and would get "most of the job" done.

Maybe someone with medical experience can explain?

Most of the silicone spreads out and mixes around your cells.
Some other silicone particles get walled off by immune cells and scar tissue. You can think of the human tissue as a sponge and the silicone as a liquid that is poured on it. There is no way to suck out the liquid from a sponge with a syringe.

All surgeons can do is remove scar tissue or large particles of silicone that may collect; however, in reality, most of it gets left behind spread among your own tissue.

[Seansxbrand]

Its a long hard road or her to treat this poblem, but with the support of her amily & friends, & her own determination, & finding the right help to correct this, Im sure she'll be fine.

[postopadmirer]

So here is what I don't get. Why?

Take myself for example. I wish I could have transitioned when I was younger. For reasons I've described before -- I could not. Now I feel it is to late. The testosterone has taken its toll, and I have too much of a masculine a body to easily EVER pass. As much as I want it, need it, regret not doing it anyway, I'm stuck in a male looking body unless medical science produces a magical miracle feminizing procedure someday (go fictionmania labs).


All that is to say there is a part of me that knows no matter how badly I want something there are limits to what SHOULD be done to achieve it. Shooting yourself full of goo is a REALLY BAD IDEA. They are not hormones, and if you are lucky they stay in place and develope scare tissue pockets. But having tried to get silicone glue off my hands when repairing stuff I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT GOES THROUGH SOMEBODY'S HEAD WHO THINKS THIS IS ANYTHING BUT A VERY BAD IDEA. Let me put this sticky gooey stuff in my body and hope it stays where it is injected.


Who was the a$$#0|€ who invented this idea in the first place? That person should be shot full of his own weight in silicone and the rolled around like a big beachball by all the girls he has impacted like Sarina (who should have known better)!

[irvin66]

Poor Sarina Valentina! It is sad to do such things as putting your health at risk.:( I hope everything will be fine with her.

[Luke_]

I think it's clear from the video that she regrets making a young and immature decision to have the procedure. The video is very sad and I wish her all the very best. Have a speedy, successful and painless (as possible) recovery, Sarina!

[acdaddy69]

Somebody need to married the girl and give her insurance.....I would if she buys the ring.

[maclad]

I hope that she will make a full recovery from this condition, also hope this video discourages other young TG's from making the same mistake.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you Sarina

[Nikka]

Somebody need to married the girl and give her insurance.....I would if she buys the ring.

made me laff

[Christastic]

There's a lot of information about this procedure in the book Travesti by Don Kulick if anyone is interested. After reading it and seeing how transwomen often get the curves, it made me feel like a total shit as a trans-admirer or tranny-chaser or whatever the fuck I am, because it's the desire for clockability or passability or whatever that drives this.

At least in the book Travesti, the silicone used is industrial grade. Nasty shit.

[slingblade]

Mariana cordoba cannot roll on her hips because it HURTS , claudia candelora cannot put on her knees because it HURTS, all these girls with silicone have issues, just nobody talk about it

r u serious. Reading this sounded funny but its not and time for you girls to stop this madness. Even before Sarina made this video I thought she was going overboard with the silicone shit and she didnt need it in my opinion. :confused::confused:

[lucx]

For Sarina...

i wish you to get well soon and hope that anyone who is beside you will support you through all this pain (which i think will be equally divided between phisical and mental pain)...

You will always a wonderfull girl... not only a beautifull girl but a wonderfull girl all around...

[nonnonnon]

she's doing ok now ;p
midnight dance party! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9udaxdGCQIE)

[dante]

she's doing ok now ;p
midnight dance party! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9udaxdGCQIE)

hot hot hot

[BeardedOne]

she's doing ok now ;p
midnight dance party! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9udaxdGCQIE)

She and Madison Montag have been having a bang up time, what with the AVNs in Vegas and all, but she's still got issues.

I wish her all the best. She's one that sussed out the bad stuff early and I hope that realization does her some good.

[Willie Escalade]

Damn I wish I could have seen her when I was there (and I DID see Madison). I hope she comes to the Tranny Awards...

[MacShreach]

There's a lot of information about this procedure in the book Travesti by Don Kulick if anyone is interested. After reading it and seeing how transwomen often get the curves, it made me feel like a total shit as a trans-admirer or tranny-chaser or whatever the fuck I am, because it's the desire for clockability or passability or whatever that drives this.

At least in the book Travesti, the silicone used is industrial grade. Nasty shit.

I would thoroughly recommend that book to anyone with more than a passing interest in these issues.

I used to prefer the spectacular curves that silicone can give, but since I began to discover what it can do, I find myself less and less attracted. Get a good look at a case of elephant feet (where silicone has slumped to the lowest part of the body) pumping pits (where a needle caused an infection that abcessed) or malformations where accident (or violence) has simply pushed the plastic out of shape, or hear some of the stories of girls constantly in pain, the procedures required to remove the silicone, not to mention the tragic case of Sarina Valentina, and I would hope that anyone would think twice.

[MacShreach]

r u serious. Reading this sounded funny but its not and time for you girls to stop this madness. Even before Sarina made this video I thought she was going overboard with the silicone shit and she didnt need it in my opinion. :confused::confused:

Yes she is. Silicone is the nasty underbelly of transformation. What you must realise is that girls suffering from levels of body dysmorphia that most of us could only wonder at are desperate to change themselves and quickly. THey're not thinking even three of four years ahead, they just want it NOW. Add to that the pressure that's put on them to conform to a standardised ideal of female beauty, which requires big curvy bums and full tits. Hormones can do a lot but these girls are under pressure to do more and hormones take time, especially of the girl begins transition even in her late teens, never mind twenties--three or four years to make real differences.

Then again, the use of feminising hormones will lower both erectile function and penis size. If the girl is on the game then she is under pressure to cut her hormones and rely on silicone to give the feminine shape, because as is well known, many men want to be 'topped.'...from then on it's a train ride, more surgeries, more silicone...a train that will certainly end in a wreck.

[LibertyHarkness]

there are other options to enhancing the shape/body that many girls use not just liquid silicone ..

PMMA is a form that is used more in brazil now ,, again its not fda approved in teh uk/usa but its alot safer than generic silicone.. its legal in brazil if using newplastic ..

Brazzilian Butt Lift with Fat Transfer - well says it all really .. if your not fat your fucked with this one as you have nothing to move/migrate ..but its popular (but it is the only injection based substance that wont be rejected by your body)

Buttock Implants - now tehse are the tried and tested method unfortunately you get what you pay for with them ... there is only a select few surgeons that really specialise in the this filed and actually use the correct silicone implants/shape them to the contors of the body and use correct placement ...I have seen some females that have outstanding bottoms from the use of these .. plus side of implants is simply if someone goes wrong they can be removed easily enough ..

Macrolane Injections - now macrolane is supposedly the filler of the future its 100% biodegradable into the human body and doesnt hurt us ... it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about usa yet ..but its biggest problem is simply that the results dont seem to last much more than 6-12months then you have to have it done again .. so imagine the cost on these each year for top ups ....

As Macreach said hormones will shape us abit but only to a degree and obviously the younger you start the better .. myself i am 34 started in august 2008 on my hormones and its taken me this long to put weight on, start curving out slighty and my ass is relatively still flat as an ironboard lol Out of all the procedures the only one i would consider is buttock implants simply as the safety element of being able to take them out ..

You also forget the other issues of hormones macshreach .. liver damge, mood swings, increased risk to blood clotting etc .

I wish sarina all the best she seems a nice girl sure with time she can deal with this accordingly .. fair play for her honesty about it .

[MacShreach]

Fat transfers are used in reconstructive surgery for women who have had mastectomies; however they are not at all a sure fix and there are plenty of horror stories. I would say that technique was experimental and to be approached with great care.

As you say there are risks from hormones which also include cancer (oestrogen is implicated in breast cancer, for example) but nevertheless, when prescribed by an endocrinologist who is experienced with transition, and who will be monitoring the blood regularly, these are much less than the risks posed by silicone, which by the way can also cause thromboses, granulomas, and auto-immune reactions.

The whole process of transition presents risk, but I think it would be a fine thing if more people managed these risks in an informed manner--you've obviously done this but it's by no means the rule.

[maddygirl]

I think one of the main problems is that there aren't really other options if you have a masculine shaped body and want curvy hips. They have buttocks implants (which often look fake), but they don't have any type of natural-looking way to get bigger, curvier hips. It really is a shame that she's going through this, I hope she has a safe recovery. Another thing; yes this type of procedure is very risky and can affect your health, but we all feel differently about our bodies and some of us (including myself) are more interested in having curvy bodies than big breasts, for example. I don't think it's right that some of you are judging her and others who just want to feel comfortable in the body they're in, even if it means undergoing a risky procedure. For example, I'd much rather have fuller hips than big breasts, and I completely understand why girls would want to do this sort of thing, and I don't agree with some of you calling them "stupid." You don't want people to judge you, so don't judge others. But, it makes me sick that some of these fake doctors are so careless about others and so money hungry that they'll inject girls with random, toxic substances and then lie to the girls about it, making them think they'll be perfectly fine when in fact they could be dying at that very moment. Hopefully they'll come out with a safer way to enhance, so we don't have to jeopardize our health.

[Nikka]

how old is Sarina?, in her last Jay sin something video I saw something I didn't like :(

[maddygirl]

how old is Sarina?, in her last Jay sin something video I saw something I didn't like :(
I think she's 25?

[Nikka]

I think she's 25?

it's ok I thought she was younger

[karaalextv]

there are other options to enhancing the shape/body that many girls use not just liquid silicone ..

PMMA is a form that is used more in brazil now ,, again its not fda approved in teh uk/usa but its alot safer than generic silicone.. its legal in brazil if using newplastic ..

Brazzilian Butt Lift with Fat Transfer - well says it all really .. if your not fat your fucked with this one as you have nothing to move/migrate ..but its popular (but it is the only injection based substance that wont be rejected by your body)

Buttock Implants - now tehse are the tried and tested method unfortunately you get what you pay for with them ... there is only a select few surgeons that really specialise in the this filed and actually use the correct silicone implants/shape them to the contors of the body and use correct placement ...I have seen some females that have outstanding bottoms from the use of these .. plus side of implants is simply if someone goes wrong they can be removed easily enough ..

Macrolane Injections - now macrolane is supposedly the filler of the future its 100% biodegradable into the human body and doesnt hurt us ... it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about usa yet ..but its biggest problem is simply that the results dont seem to last much more than 6-12months then you have to have it done again .. so imagine the cost on these each year for top ups ....

As Macreach said hormones will shape us abit but only to a degree and obviously the younger you start the better .. myself i am 34 started in august 2008 on my hormones and its taken me this long to put weight on, start curving out slighty and my ass is relatively still flat as an ironboard lol Out of all the procedures the only one i would consider is buttock implants simply as the safety element of being able to take them out ..

You also forget the other issues of hormones macshreach .. liver damge, mood swings, increased risk to blood clotting etc .

I wish sarina all the best she seems a nice girl sure with time she can deal with this accordingly .. fair play for her honesty about it .


"it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about use yet"

When did the FDA start approving things for the UK and europe???

[Prospero]

Bloody tragic for this poor girl. Huge sympathy to you Sarina. Very brave to post this - but braver still to be going through it.

[Tyler___Durden]

Maybe some of the ladies can answer this, but I've been reading about fat transfer, where they use your own fat from one place in the body to inject in places where you want a rounder look. Is that the safer alternative to sil? I know that some of the fat may be absorbed so it might require multiple procedures to get the desired look. So is it simply a matter of money, where fat transfer is more expensive, or is it that fat transfer just doesn't work compared to direct silicone injections?

Sooos, a GG friend just paid to have her PIP breast implants replaced.
On later examination, it transpired the implants were seeping. The silicone migrates to the major organs. Same for direct silicone injections. Long term health implications are not known but immediate side effects are:
Redness, Heat, Pain, rippling,
all of which my friend has experienced and documented history with her GP,
prior to the PIP scandal becoming public knowledge in the uk.
As to costs of fixing the problem:
As we have all said, we DO NOT think that the NHS should incur any cost other than in the case of their own patients. As to 'Buyer beware' ...Most private clinics used in this country were "reputable"
While this applies to dodgy breast implants, silicone freely moving through the body is relevant to this thread.

Fat transfer: A % gets reabsorbed, the amount dependent upon the body are being treated. Surgeons 'overfill' to allow for this.
A friend had fat body sculpting in her bum, stomach area. It was a re-sculpting to adjust results from surgery 6 months earlier. {And her PIP implants replaced at the same time.}
It's a lot less risky than silicone as the product is your body rather than an alien non-degradable that potentially migrates throughout the body.
But fat sculpting has risks which don't get talked about.
It's not been assigned to the fat sculpting procedure she had just undergone,
but my friend had a heart attack in post op and died.

RIP Maria. xxx

[Tyler___Durden]

I see where you are coming from. I don't know how the UK works, but in the US, we have something called the FDA which regulates and lets us know if certain products should be OK to use. If the breast implants were approved to be OK to use and sold to the public with an FDA approval on them, then if we had socialized health care, I think it would be the governments responsibility to take care of the people who trusted in the FDA to tell them its safe to use when they turn out to be harmful. If the UK has anything like the FDA and approved the implants to be OK to use, they should be taking care of those people who trusted in the government to give a seal of approval on a product.
Good point. In the uk stuff is regulated and products have to pass stringent tests BSi kite mark (http://www.bsigroup.com/)
However the abortion called the EU European union fucks us all over. Specifically there is a continent wide agreement on standards so if approved by the government regulator in one country its automatically cleared as ok in all 27 euro countries-----called free trade.
Ok so far?
Right. The PIP company owner bribed the TU inspectors to hide the fact he was using silicone for furniture {not safe for human bodies}
The fake checks were never examined by any regulatory body in any of the other countries as thats against the rules.
Result: The public get fucked over, my friend Sooox had dodgy breast implants and got sick.
The commissioners who run the EU need to be hung from lampposts,
like the Italians did with Mussolini
You lot should nuke Brussels.

[Tyler___Durden]

there are other options to enhancing the shape/body that many girls use not just liquid silicone ..

Macrolane Injections - now macrolane is supposedly the filler of the future its 100% biodegradable into the human body and doesnt hurt us ... it is FDA approved in uk and europe not sure about usa yet ..but its biggest problem is simply that the results dont seem to last much more than 6-12months then you have to have it done again .. so imagine the cost on these each year for top ups ....

By Nats, on another {uk} trans site:
Macrolane is the first body shaping treatment using hyaluronic acid the same stuff as Restalyne. It is injected into breast tissue and slowly is absorbed by the body so you need to have it redone every 12-18 months. At about £1500 per 100cc it is damned expensive on every count and since it is free in the body, nobody actually knows what effect cumulatively high levels of the substance can be over time. Whereas Restalyne is only going into your lips in very small quantities for Macrolane to work it requires a great deal more.

Here is their website: http://www.macrolane.com
You might also find the following forum page of substantial interest: (http://forum.sofeminine.co.uk/forum/f52/__f4639_f52-Macrolane-anyone-researched-this.html#46620)
EXTRACT
I got very excited when I first started reading about this as I only want to go up around 1.5 cup sizes, however I soon got put off.
I've heard testimonials from ladies (not promotional material for once!) who have said the firmness resembles a squash ball at best, and even some who say that they have developed small bumps- a little like blisters, where they can see and feel the Macrolane moving around!

Again cost comes into it- £3000 to be a guinea pig?
Remember when at first they were injecting silicone straight into breast tissue, and what happened there!
I know times have changed, but still- I'm wary!

I don't mean to completely put you off- I'm sure there are successful cases out there, but do your research is all I can say

So Macrolane :
Is not permanent - it vanishes somewhere after 18-24 months
It is expensive when compared to Breast Augmentation, even over a 2 year period.
It can make your breasts seem lumpy and have a different "feel"
It cannot be removed once in the body unlike implants which can. The fact it is in your body and if something were to be discovered that showed it was dangerous, then you would be in a very difficult medical situation.
Since it is free in your body, it could move about over time into places you did not expect. This does not happen with implants.
And I would not believe this puff piece for a Clinic for one minute (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-514519/It-costs-2-000-lasts-18-months---boob-jab.htm)

In the UK, three days ago Macrolane fillers have been withdrawn for use in breast enhancements. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17794288)