WTF is going on in Congress?!

[BellaBellucci]

WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=player_embedded)

... not to mention:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/268638/20111216/ndaa-suppress-internet-freedom.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/senate-votes-to-let-military-detain-americans-indefinitely_n_1119473.html

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ngd4r/i_work_in_news_this_is_how_you_stop_sopa/

http://tinyurl.com/techdirtsopa

http://reddit.com/r/sopa

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/sopa-vote-delayed/

PETITION AGAINST THE SILENCING OF THE INTERNET AND THE INDEFINITE DETAINMENT OF US CITIZENS. STAND FOR FREE EXPRESSION:

http://www.americancensorship.org/
http://tinyurl.com/universalcensors
http://tinyurl.com/writetocongress
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/free-speechs-weak-links-under-internet-blacklist-bills
http://t.co/vIhyPU9z

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[RainMan]

yeah they were supposed to vote on SOPA thursday/friday but changed it to the 21st and last i heard the prez was gonna sign NDAA into law on the 16th, crazy not alot of people hear about this

[loren]

last i heard the prez was gonna sign NDAA into law on the 16th, crazy not alot of people hear about this
Yeah, after he said that he would veto it.

I agree that piracy is not the target of this legislation. It's intended to limit people's free speach.

[Stavros]

There is a post on this in Politics & Religion

[BellaBellucci]

There is a post on this in Politics & Religion

Perhaps you missed the subtitle. Grooby has been involved in lawsuits suing the fans. I'd like to get Seanchai's response to this.

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[onmyknees]

There is a post on this in Politics & Religion


True, but this is only political in the sense that politicians ( on both sides) are keeping this mysteriously quiet..... And where is our eyes and ears? ( once known as the press) Bella is correct on this...I read about this several weeks ago, and thought........this can't be accurate because no one is talking about it.

[Mayrah]

I signed the petition, just like the guy in the vid said, if one person posts something with copyright on any site, that site goes to the ground with that bill. Its not anti-piracy, its about taking power on the internet.

[BellaBellucci]

True, but this is only political in the sense that politicians ( on both sides) are keeping this mysteriously quiet..... And where is our eyes and ears? ( once known as the press) Bella is correct on this...I read about this several weeks ago, and thought........this can't be accurate because no one is talking about it.

^ Also, this. Nobody's going to see it over there. I thought that was obvious enough that it need not be said.

Apparently, nobody cares though. But they'll care when it passes, believe me.

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[Mayrah]

^ Also, this. Nobody's going to see it over there. I thought that was obvious enough that it need not be said.

Apparently, nobody cares though. But they'll care when it passes, believe me.

~BB~

Yeah, when it passes they dont have to fight again stuff like piracy, they just block anything they wanna block without notice.

[BellaBellucci]

Yeah, when it passes they dont have to fight again stuff like piracy, they just block anything they wanna block without notice.

Well the problem is the low standard of evidence. It only takes an accusation to bring down a site...

... this one included. Are you people paying attention yet?!

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[onmyknees]

^ Also, this. Nobody's going to see it over there. I thought that was obvious enough that it need not be said.

Apparently, nobody cares though. But they'll care when it passes, believe me.

~BB~

Agree...When I first read this on a libertarian blog.....I seriously thought this can't be accurate because it's such a blatant stomp on free speech. Folks have to be vigilant, but sadly for the most part they're not.

[loren]

Well the problem is the low standard of evidence. It only takes an accusation to bring down a site...

... this one included. Are you people paying attention yet?!

~BB~
Accroding to S 1876, if you're suspected (even with no evidence of any criminal acts) of being a terrorist, the military can arrest you and hold you indefinitely without trial. So, if SOAP passes, they can arrest you, and if your friends blog about it, their website could be shut down.

[loren]

Folks have to be vigilant, but sadly for the most part they're not.They're too busy keeping up with the Karashians to notice their freedoms being taken away.

[BellaBellucci]

Accroding to S 1876, if you're suspected (even with no evidence of any criminal acts) of being a terrorist, the military can arrest you and hold you indefinitely without trial. So, if SOAP passes, they can arrest you, and if your friends blog about it, their website could be shut down.


They're too busy keeping up with the Karashians to notice their freedoms being taken away.

Bingo.

Personally, I think the people who are suspected of keeping up the Kardashians are those that belong in those FEMA camps that everyone keeps insisting have no nefarious purpose.

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[loren]

Bingo.

Personally, I think the people who are suspected of keeping up the Kardashians are those that belong in those FEMA camps that everyone keeps insisting have no nefarious purpose.

~BB~
:iagree:Don't worry, I'm sure they're on the Homeland Security party list too.

[addicted]

so what does this have to grooby?

[BellaBellucci]

so what does this have to grooby?

Read this and find out. (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=49732)

This one too. (http://killshotproductions.com/2010/09/14/lightspeed-grooby-are-doing-it-wrong/)

But then, I said why already if you bothered to read past the OP, and Seanchai's been conspicuously silent so far.

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[loren]

Like I illuded to in an earlier post. Piracy is only the chese in the mouse trap. As with NADD (which targets terrorists), the government seeks wide sweeping power to deal with those pesky pirateshttp://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/pirate2.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php), but how long before they turn anti-pirate tool on dissenters. If you have the audacity to disagree with the government. They could fave you arrested (NADD) and have any websites that you posted on shut down (SOAP).

[addicted]

Read this and find out. (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=49732)

This one too. (http://killshotproductions.com/2010/09/14/lightspeed-grooby-are-doing-it-wrong/)

But then, I said why already if you bothered to read past the OP, and Seanchai's been conspicuously silent so far.

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if everyone just downloads all these sites material from brazil and no one ever pays then these sites will just fold and they will find a new business. I dont want to see the internet run by these govt thugs but at the same time i want grooby and damazo to stay in business I love those guys.

[BellaBellucci]

if everyone just downloads all these sites material from brazil and no one ever pays then these sites will just fold and they will find a new business. I dont want to see the internet run by these govt thugs but at the same time i want grooby and damazo to stay in business I love those guys.

Great. SOPA essentially would allow them to shut down any site they like at the mere allegation of even one piece of pirated content, this site included.

Do you like them that much?

Seriously. Still no response from the head honcho? There's a lot for him to gain or lose in all of this. He should make his intentions clear.

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[BellaBellucci]

... still waiting for a response from Dear Leader. I guess he's got something to hide. :(

~BB~

[Mayrah]

... still waiting for a response from Dear Leader. I guess he's got something to hide. :(

~BB~

Blocking tube sites :)

[BellaBellucci]

Blocking tube sites :)

... or suing grandmothers and children. Or using the threat of outing someone's sexual proclivities to extort arbitrary amounts of money from them.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=49732&highlight=lawsuits

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[BellaBellucci]

The day I need to answer something you ask, when you ask, will be the day I'll leave this board. I have a job - I'm busy with it. Try it sometime and you'll find some self-worth.

This is the only response he's been able to muster so far, to which I obviously replied that it's my job to protect my right to do business without interference from companies with vendettas and lawyers.

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[RainMan]

theres media blackout over these bills in the would be most affected place (here in the US) both NDAA and SOPA are a over reach on power. how easy would it be to sign up to a forum/social site/any site and upload content and then claim copyright infringment

[Mayrah]

theres media blackout over these bills in the would be most affected place (here in the US) both NDAA and SOPA are a over reach on power. how easy would it be to sign up to a forum/social site/any site and upload content and then claim copyright infringment

Wanna bet they are going to create "rogue" offices to boycott websites just like you described :p

[RainMan]

Wanna bet they are going to create "rogue" offices to boycott websites just like you described :p

thats exactly the first thing that came to mind when i heard of this, for the longest people have been saying Brazzers pays people overseas to upload rival companies content on tubesites and as soon as the content is removed its uploaded again, dont know how true that is but i wouldnt doubt it. now instead of a cat and mouse game it will be mouse vs cannon (overkill)

[loren]

theres media blackout over these bills in the would be most affected place (here in the US) both NDAA and SOPA are a over reach on power.
Yeah, for some strange reason, the (U.S.) government doesn't want to announce that they have given themselves the authority to arrest its citizens and completely do away with do process. Honestly, I wonder if it would make any difference if they would've had a live prime-time announcement about it. Would anyone pay attention?

[BellaBellucci]

Yeah, for some strange reason, the (U.S.) government doesn't want to announce that they have given themselves the authority to arrest its citizens and completely do away with do process. Honestly, I wonder if it would make any difference if they would've had a live prime-time announcement about it. Would anyone pay attention?

My first Facebook/Twitter status of the day:


The U.S. Government can respect Ramadan by halting combat operations in Muslim nations, but they can't respect the winter holidays here by not trying to quietly ram through controversial, ineffective, powerful, and over-reaching legislation to control the internet while we're not looking.

Why aren't we... ooo! Shiny Christmas tree!

~BB~

[Silcc69]

Bella you should become a politician.

[Dino Velvet]

Buy guns. Buy guns now. Right now.

[BellaBellucci]

Buy guns. Buy guns now. Right now.

I had considered that too. The only problem with that at this point is that it will probably land you on the list of possible domestic terrorists, even if the weapons are for defensive purposes only and are licensed and legal under the 2nd Amendment, the US Code, state laws, and local ordinances, and especially if you're never owned a gun before.

Aside from invoking their 2nd Amendment rights, it's important now more than ever to vote a strict constitutionalist POTUS. I don't think I need to tell you who that man is, but his initials are RP. :dancing:


Bella you should become a politician.

If I could find a constituency that would overlook my adult industry involvement, I would run in a heartbeat. Maybe I'll find one somewhere and carpetbag into it, but I'll probably just wait until sexual mores loosen even more and/or my business in porn becomes less relevant.

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[Dino Velvet]

I had considered that too. The only problem with that at this point is that it will probably land you on the list of possible domestic terrorists, even if the weapons are for defensive purposes only and are licensed and legal under the 2nd Amendment, the US Code, state laws, and local ordinances, and especially if you're never owned a gun before.

Aside from invoking their 2nd Amendment rights, it's important now more than ever to vote a strict constitutionalist POTUS. I don't think I need to tell you who that man is, but his initials are RP. :dancing:



If I could find a constituency that would overlook my adult industry involvement, I would run in a heartbeat. Maybe I'll find one somewhere and carpetbag into it, but I'll probably just wait until sexual mores loosen even more and/or my business in porn becomes less relevant.

~BB~

The State of California is worse than the Federal Government on firearms. Laws change all the time and I don't find out until the next time I go to the store for more guns and ammo. I buy things legal but they then ban them. I keep everything packed in a big safe with the main event in the garage.

[RainMan]

I had considered that too. The only problem with that at this point is that it will probably land you on the list of possible domestic terrorists, even if the weapons are for defensive purposes only and are licensed and legal under the 2nd Amendment, the US Code, state laws, and local ordinances, and especially if you're never owned a gun before.

Aside from invoking their 2nd Amendment rights, it's important now more than ever to vote a strict constitutionalist POTUS. I don't think I need to tell you who that man is, but his initials are RP. :dancing:



If I could find a constituency that would overlook my adult industry involvement, I would run in a heartbeat. Maybe I'll find one somewhere and carpetbag into it, but I'll probably just wait until sexual mores loosen even more and/or my business in porn becomes less relevant.

~BB~

*random reporter* "Ms. Bellucci is it safe to say youd run as a independant on the ballet?" (in a reporter tone)

[Silcc69]

It's a shame since you aren't involved in any illegal activities (well smoking weed doesn't count.) and you really know your stuff. As for RP no chance in hell. He seems to radical for the the majority of republicans.

[BellaBellucci]

*random reporter* "Ms. Bellucci is it safe to say youd run as a independant on the ballet?" (in a reporter tone)

Actually, no. The Libertarian Party here in OC is fully aware of my activities. I'm pretty sure I'd be able to convince them to support me, and even though I probably wouldn't win, I could get a lot of new ideas out into the public domain during the election process.


It's a shame since you aren't involved in any illegal activities (well smoking weed doesn't count.) and you really know your stuff. As for RP no chance in hell. He seems to radical for the the majority of republicans.

As to Ron Paul, you underestimate the idiocy and subsequent lack of viability of his opponents. I think he has just as a good chance of winning the primary as anybody else, particularly those who insist on wearing magic Mormon underwear. In fact, I may re-register as an Independent or Republican to vote for Paul in the primary myself.

And his radical views won't seem so radical in the context of NDAA, SOPA, and related legislation being forced upon the American people. Because the only candidate who has never wavered on a position (because his are rooted in the Constitution), and due to information presented in recent polls, it's beginning to look like Rep. Paul is the most likely to defeat Obama in November. These facts, along with Paul's respect for religion, and despite his desire to keep it out of government, could be enough to put him over the top.

This is a guy building coalitions left and right, and from the left and the right.

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[RainMan]

It's a shame since you aren't involved in any illegal activities (well smoking weed doesn't count.) and you really know your stuff. As for RP no chance in hell. He seems to radical for the the majority of republicans.

if ron paul is about what he says he is about (which i believe he is) i would vote for him but the problem i see is politics now days is like wrestling theres the underdogs vs the bad guys but its all rehearsed and planned, nothing truely changes but the person people get pissed at when things go wrong, when the real people in charge remain in power. i like/liked the prez and was hoping that under him he would bring real change and he has tried some good with some questionable bad but its really made me realize without a doubt nothing will change unless all new people are elected and political financies and doings are made public.

[RainMan]

Actually, no. The Libertarian Party here in OC is fully aware of my activities. I'm pretty sure I'd be able to convince them to support me, and even though I probably wouldn't win, I could get a lot of new ideas out into the public domain during the election process.



As to Ron Paul, you underestimate the idiocy and subsequent lack of viability of his opponents. I think he has just as a good chance of winning the primary as anybody else, particularly those who insist on wearing magic Mormon underwear. In fact, I may re-register as an Independent or Republican to vote for Paul in the primary myself.

And his radical views won't seem so radical in the context of NDAA, SOPA, and related legislation being forced upon the American people. Because the only candidate who has never wavered on a position (because his are rooted in the Constitution), and due to information presented in recent polls, it's beginning to look like Rep. Paul is the most likely to defeat Obama in November. These facts, along with Paul's respect for religion, and despite his desire to keep it out of government, could be enough to put him over the top.

This is a guy building coalitions left and right, and from the left and the right.

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okay, i asked cause i wasnt sure if you were more of a liberal or conservative, most of my views are liberal but some are conservative not alot though, i think the two part system has made people pay less attention to what the politicians are actually saying and what they are actually doing, specially cause some people automatically hear liberal/democrat and think hippie or hear conservative/republican and think warmongerer and even though i side more with liberal views id still be open to hear a sensible conservative

[BellaBellucci]

okay, i asked cause i wasnt sure if you were more of a liberal or conservative, most of my views are liberal but some are conservative not alot though, i think the two part system has made people pay less attention to what the politicians are actually saying and what they are actually doing, specially cause some people automatically hear liberal/democrat and think hippie or hear conservative/republican and think warmongerer and even though i side more with liberal views id still be open to hear a sensible conservative

I agree 1000%.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

*bump*

... and still no word from the mighty dictator.

http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/771343-L.jpg

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

If you haven't called your Congressperson yet, the vote is scheduled for tomorrow.

Find yours here. (http://www.knowwho.com/dir_outlook/congress.asp)

~BB~

[Tika]

Here's a few thoughts about all this craziness you folks down south are going through.

1) SOPA is plain and simply a vehicle for big US media (the RIAA/MPAA) to fuck with non-domestic websites that offer up copyright infringing content. Big Media is desperate to control and and all sources of what they consider copyright violation. There are already more than enough laws in place to address any existing copyright violation issues, domestic or foreign. It's a matter of speed and control. They want the power to completely bypass the courts, where they often end up losing because they present weak cases and demand outrageous sums of money. Look at the RIAA's history of trying to prosecute music downloaders. It's a complete and utter failure.

2) This site, if hosted within the USA, wouldn't be subject to SOPA provisions, as I understand it. SOPA is designed to target sites operating outside the USA, by forcing the Domain Name System that's maintained within the US to delist the domain names from the DNS system - "breaking the internet", as the opponents of SOPA call it. The Pirate Bay, for example, would probably be the #1 target of SOPA. Your browser wouldn't be able to find thepiratebay.org if you typed it into the address bar. You couldn't bring up The Pirate Bay through a Google or Bing search, because SOPA would force the site to be delisted from internet search engines. Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, any payment processors would be forced to cease doing business with The Pirate Bay. No donations, no memberships, whatever.

3) As an aside, this whole bit last year with Media Copyright Group and John Steele suing hundreds of bittorrent users who downloaded copyrighted porn is a huge fucking joke and a non-event. John Steele has failed completely and utterly to produce any results. He's been sanctioned by the courts multiple times for his activities. Check Ars Technica over the past year or so for anything relating to this incompetent assclown and you'll need diapers to stop the gigglesquirts. Basically, it was a shakedown and extortion/blackmail campaign on the part of the lawyers. They'd round up some IP addresses, resolve them back to an address, then send out a "settlement letter" accusing whoever was at the physical address of downloading the nastiest porn you can imagine. The basic idea was "please send thousands of dollars to us or we'll proceed with a lawsuit and your filthy porn habit will be exposed in court". Any judge that got this shit across their docket laughed it out of court. That's not to say that some poor bastards chickened out and coughed up cash, but it's not the smashing legal success that it's being portrayed as, by any means.

4) I think if you want to bitch about copyright violation, the cartoon/anime thread on HA might be a goldmine of material.

Anyways, you poor fuckers in the US need to do something pronto about the control of your lives by the music and movie industries. It's getting pretty sad when the rest of the world is worrying about governments defaulting on loans and bonds, and the US is preparing to what - shut down websites where you can download The X-Men movies?

Get your shit sorted, please.

[kukm4]

TWiT 332: Bad News Bearers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ZQXgt7L1s)

go to 6:14sec mark.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ZQXgt7L1s#t=6m14s)

[Quiet Reflections]

It's getting pretty sad when the rest of the world is worrying about governments defaulting on loans and bonds, and the US is preparing to what - shut down websites where you can download The X-Men movies?

Get your shit sorted, please. we are worried about the other stuff because we fucked up our economy a while ago. Way to be behind on that news. I love when people emulate what they hate(not directed at you by the way)

[BellaBellucci]

This site, if hosted within the USA, wouldn't be subject to SOPA provisions, as I understand it.

Apparently you're right and that has changed. But at this time there are already other laws on the books that can shut down a site for long periods of time by tying it up in litigation and administrative wrangling, and when this debate is over, it would behoove us to revisit them.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111216/09425617105/small-entertainment-web-site-fears-sopa-will-cause-it-to-shut-down-ice-can-already-shut-it-down.shtml

Of course that has never been the only criticism of the bill. There are technical concerns, international legal and access concerns, potential censorship concerns, and of course business concerns. Not to mention the fact that bill wouldn't actually stop piracy (http://techland.time.com/2011/11/17/sopa-wont-stop-online-piracy-would-censor-everyone-else/) because the it only targets the numerical IP of the infringing content, not the domain name itself. That means that pirated material could be re-posted on another server. If the offender is in this country, the potential for a lawsuit is already a strong enough deterrent against re-posting content removed under DMCA, even that which is actually non-infringing, while in foreign countries in which we have no jurisdiction (i.e. all of them) pirates can continue to use this practice unfettered. SOPA does nothing to stop it.

That said, Pirate Bay, for instance. is actually safe as an entity, but it's content will quickly disappear under the law, only to be replaced elsewhere. There are already international laws in place that do not censor or 'break' the internet and I would suggest that instead of resorting to draconian measures, we might address any weaknesses in that legal framework instead.


Anyways, you poor fuckers in the US need to do something pronto about the control of your lives by the music and movie industries. It's getting pretty sad when the rest of the world is worrying about governments defaulting on loans and bonds, and the US is preparing to what - shut down websites where you can download The X-Men movies?

Get your shit sorted, please.

Well, I think that's a bit harsh, even if I most certainly appreciate the sentiment. There's a lot of money at stake here and copyright holders have the right to establish and enforce their ownership of intellectual property... just not in this manner. Piracy does threaten economic and job growth, but this law would make things worse, not better.

Oh, and the vote got pushed back until after the holiday break, so we have a bit more time.

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[BellaBellucci]

*bump*

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[Mayrah]

I guess they need more time to bribe other members of the congress over the christmas dinners :p

[lisaparadise]

*bump*

~BB~how fucked up are the republicans looking now lol what a joke.you americans better learn from this and not vote in these idiots again,put a majority democratic government in and get your economy back up and running, who gives a fuck if obamas black get the fuck over it you racist fucks make me sick.ps.hows that for a bump.

[BellaBellucci]

how fucked up are the republicans looking now lol what a joke.you americans better learn from this and not vote in these idiots again,put a majority democratic government in and get your economy back up and running, who gives a fuck if obamas black get the fuck over it you racist fucks make me sick.ps.hows that for a bump.

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not going to, and you're obviously right. I'm totally racist. :rolleyes:

Ron Paul will vote against this bill, and as POTUS, he'd veto it.

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[lisaparadise]

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not going to, and you're obviously right. I'm totally racist. :rolleyes:

Ron Paul will vote against this bill, and as POTUS, he'd veto it.

~BB~you voted for a racist cunt like john mc cain? i just lost every ounce of respect i had for you lol how the fuck can you be trans and a republican?im gonna wrap you up in celefane and see if you float lol.im calling on all members here to ban bella and all the rest of the republicans

[BellaBellucci]

you voted for a racist cunt like john mc cain?

I don't remember saying that I did that either. It just goes to show how psychologically trapped you are by the two party system. :geek:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I don't remember saying that I did that either. It just goes to show how psychologically trapped you are by the two party system. :geek:

~BB~so you wasted your vote good job bella lol

[BellaBellucci]

so you wasted your vote good job bella lol

I live in California. Voting for someone other than the Democrat is hardly ever wasting your vote here, and it certainly wasn't last time around. We all knew who was going to win here. :lol:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I live in California. Voting for someone other than the Democrat is hardly ever wasting your vote here, and it certainly wasn't last time around. We all knew who was going to win here. :lol:

~BB~these are the same people that put a moviestar in and look what happed.californians shouldnt ever be allowed to vote period.

[BellaBellucci]

these are the same people that put a moviestar in and look what happed.californians shouldnt ever be allowed to vote period.

I'm a Bostonian. I'm just visiting here for a few years. And Reagan wasn't perfect, but I supported him for the most part. :geek:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Do you know what I just realized about you? You're all for government power when it's in the hands of a Democrat, but you distrust Republicans, and yet you don't seem to realize that the powers granted to the government, once available for use, are available to both parties for their own purposes. So essentially what you're saying is that all of this legislation that spys on, detains, and censors American citizens is OK, as long as Obama's at the helm. How would you feel if John McCain had such power?

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[lisaparadise]

Do you know what I just realized about you? You're all for government power when it's in the hands of a Democrat, but you distrust Republicans, and yet you don't seem to realize that the powers granted to the government, once available for use, are available to both parties for their own purposes. So essentially what you're saying is that all of this legislation that spys on, detains, and censors American citizens is OK, as long as Obama's at the helm. How would you feel if John McCain had such power?

~BB~ i dont care who is in the white house as long as there white right?thats the problem with america cause thats how the majority thinks plain and simple.i relate to the dems and so should you bella.

[BellaBellucci]

i dont care who is in the white house as long as there white right?thats the problem with america cause thats how the majority thinks plain and simple.i relate to the dems and so should you bella.

I used to when I was young and even more idealistic than I am now. I spent years working for the party. I personally know two Congresspeople, one with whom I was on a first name basis but haven't seen since before transition. I left the party a few years ago because I was aghast at they way they conduct business internally and their power grabs, the latter (along with 9/11) being used an excuse for Bush 43 and the Neo-cons to systematically leach power from the other branches and give it to the executive, which led to my defection to the Libertarian Party, the party of principle. Because in the end, our principles and the way we act upon them define us.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I used to when I was young and even more idealistic than I am now. I spent years working for the party. I personally know two Congresspeople, one with whom I was on a first name basis but haven't seen since before transition. I left the party a few years ago because I was aghast at they way they conduct business internally and their power grabs, the latter (along with 9/11) being used an excuse for Bush 43 and the Neo-cons to systematically leach power from the other branches and giving it to the executive, which led to my defection to the Libertarian Party, the party of principle. Because in the end, our principles and they way we act upon them define us.

~BB~ya like michele baucman who owns a clinic trying to brainwash gays into thinking there straight lol seriously i dont pull for any homophobic party who looks down on any human being period nor would i be so hypocritical to be associated with such animals.

[BellaBellucci]

ya like michele baucman who owns a clinic trying to brainwash gays into thinking there straight lol seriously i dont pull for any homophobic party who looks down on any human being period nor would i be so hypocritical to be associated with such animals.

Michelle Bachmann is not a libertarian. She's just an updated Sarah Palin, and a Republican. I don't pay that loon any mind. She's just another fear-mongering neo-con.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Michelle Bachmann is not a libertarian. She's just an updated Sarah Palin, and a Republican. I don't pay that loon any mind. She's just another fear-mongering neo-con.

~BB~lol,ok now find me a republican who is for gay marriage?here in canada escorting is legal and so is gay marriage i know this because my sister married another girl a few months back and the wedding was amazing.

[BellaBellucci]

lol,ok now find me a republican who is for gay marriage?

Done. Ron Paul would leave the decision up to the states.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Done. Ron Paul would leave the decision up to the states.

~BB~thats a half ass answer try again your either for or against try again.

[BellaBellucci]

thats a half ass answer try again your either for or against try again.

No, yours is the half-assed answer. He doesn't need a personal position because he accepts that social engineering is not his responsibility. It's up to us to control our own destinies. Furthermore, that's the most fair answer. If, for instance, Mississippi doesn't want gay marriage, then why can't they outlaw it? They have the right to try even though it's probably unconstitutional at the state level (although Prop 8 created a precedent to get around that), but more importantly, why would you want to live there if they did? :?

~BB~

[loren]

who gives a fuck if obamas black get the fuck over it you racist fucks
So, let me get this straight; just because I don't like obama, means that I'm racist? Wow, all this time I thought it was because I didn't like his policies.

[loren]

Done. Ron Paul would leave the decision up to the states.

~BB~
That's where it belongs, the federal government has no buisness getting involved in marriage. It is, and should be, a State issue.

[onmyknees]

you voted for a racist cunt like john mc cain? i just lost every ounce of respect i had for you lol how the fuck can you be trans and a republican?im gonna wrap you up in celefane and see if you float lol.im calling on all members here to ban bella and all the rest of the republicans


Lisa Baby...come back to us....you just did a swan dive into the deep end of the pool, and I'm not about to save you until you flail around for awhile...then maybe I'll toss you a life preserver....maybe.
It's perfectly acceptable not like the politics of John McCain, in fact 54% of Americans did not in 2008.....but even those who did not, or would not vote for him would never accuse him of what you did. You're Canadian, so maybe we can forgive you for your ignorance on the matter..Take a few minutes to read his profile in courage, and his life story....that alone may not convince you, or many others he should be president, and that's fine......but to accuse him of hate and racism is way over the top, and worse....without a shred of evidence.. He is a man of honor, flawed when he was younger in his personal life...but who isn't? Your characterization is really offensive, and I'm being much kinder to you than I normally am with others who have made similar outrageous statements. Repent while I'm in a good mood !!!!!!!!

[Silcc69]

http://www.excusememe.com/pics/imagebase/5208.gif

[lisaparadise]

No, yours is the half-assed answer. He doesn't need a personal position because he accepts that social engineering is not his responsibility. It's up to us to control our own destinies. Furthermore, that's the most fair answer. If, for instance, Mississippi doesn't want gay marriage, then why can't they outlaw it? They have the right to try even though it's probably unconstitutional at the state level (although Prop 8 created a precedent to get around that), but more importantly, why would you want to live there if they did? :?

~BB~why cant they outlaw gay marriage?are you for real?typical american doesnt know right from wrong how tragic.nobody and i mean nobody has a right to tell me who i can marry period end of fucking story.

[lisaparadise]

So, let me get this straight; just because I don't like obama, means that I'm racist? Wow, all this time I thought it was because I didn't like his policies.bullshit and you know it.

[lisaparadise]

Lisa Baby...come back to us....you just did a swan dive into the deep end of the pool, and I'm not about to save you until you flail around for awhile...then maybe I'll toss you a life preserver....maybe.
It's perfectly acceptable not like the politics of John McCain, in fact 54% of Americans did not in 2008.....but even those who did not, or would not vote for him would never accuse him of what you did. You're Canadian, so maybe we can forgive you for your ignorance on the matter..Take a few minutes to read his profile in courage, and his life story....that alone may not convince you, or many others he should be president, and that's fine......but to accuse him of hate and racism is way over the top, and worse....without a shred of evidence.. He is a man of honor, flawed when he was younger in his personal life...but who isn't? Your characterization is really offensive, and I'm being much kinder to you than I normally am with others who have made similar outrageous statements. Repent while I'm in a good mood !!!!!!!!oh your fucking hilarious.ask the latinos and blacks in his home state of arizona if they think hes a racist im pretty sure they agree.cool hes a war hero who gives a fuck you americans make me laugh,let me enlighten you people you dont have to be held in a prison camp to be a hero,anybody who puts on a uniform no matter what happens is a hero period.

[BellaBellucci]

why cant they outlaw gay marriage?are you for real?typical american doesnt know right from wrong how tragic.nobody and i mean nobody has a right to tell me who i can marry period end of fucking story.

I think you overestimate the persuasiveness of the state of Mississippi on our nation. If the voters in that state wanted to outlaw gay marriage, the rest of us would eventually just ridicule or boycott them into submission if that's truly the social trend, so I fail to see how allowing the voters their right to exercise their stupidity, provided its constitutional in the state in which they do it, is such a bad thing in the grand scheme.

Like I've said, you can't legislate morality, only ethics (thanks Krissy :lol:), and sometimes even then people resent you for it if they're not ready. Change is incremental, but I believe that at this point, it should be led by society demanding equality and acceptance for all people, not mandated through legislation.

My analogy here is of parents interfering enough in their childrens' affairs to simply punish them for fighting with each other. By not giving them them tools with which to resolve their differences or giving them a bit more room so that they must learn such skills on their own, they're impeding said childrens' natural growth.

~BB~

[onmyknees]

oh your fucking hilarious.ask the latinos and blacks in his home state of arizona if they think hes a racist im pretty sure they agree.cool hes a war hero who gives a fuck you americans make me laugh,let me enlighten you people you dont have to be held in a prison camp to be a hero,anybody who puts on a uniform no matter what happens is a hero period.


LMAO...well if we take a sampling from HA and the frequency that people are routinely called racist, your point loses any validity ! I must say....I've heard a lot of things said about Mc Cain.....some good, some not, but I've never heard him called a racist. You're breaking new ground here Lisa. Good for you.
And One more clarification....Most guys who have worn the uniform don't consider themselves heroes, but most consider Mc Cain one.

[lisaparadise]

LMAO...well if we take a sampling from HA and the frequency that people are routinely called racist, your point loses any validity ! I must say....I've heard a lot of things said about Mc Cain.....some good, some not, but I've never heard him called a racist. You're breaking new ground here Lisa. Good for you.
And One more clarification....Most guys who have worn the uniform don't consider themselves heroes, but most consider Mc Cain one.you know im just messin with ya lol i happened to like mccain he tells it like it is but hes a republican so thats that lol,i meant to say i think all republicans to me are racist homophobic religeous fanatics.how can anybody with a brain vote for somebody who thinks they have the right to tell you you cant abort a child under no circumstance,who tells you one can only marry the oposite gender,one who thinks they cant raise taxes to pay for things so there better off borrowing money from china instaed.america isnt what you think it is altleast not anymore.the rest of the world has passed you by and lets face it most americans never leave the country so they have mo idea whats its like beyond there borders.

[onmyknees]

you know im just messin with ya lol i happened to like mccain he tells it like it is but hes a republican so thats that lol,i meant to say i think all republicans to me are racist homophobic religeous fanatics.how can anybody with a brain vote for somebody who thinks they have the right to tell you you cant abort a child under no circumstance,who tells you one can only marry the oposite gender,one who thinks they cant raise taxes to pay for things so there better off borrowing money from china instaed.america isnt what you think it is altleast not anymore.the rest of the world has passed you by and lets face it most americans never leave the country so they have mo idea whats its like beyond there borders.


I love you Lisa. I can't figure you out, but I love you....lmao

[lisaparadise]

I think you overestimate the persuasiveness of the state of Mississippi on our nation. If the voters in that state wanted to outlaw gay marriage, the rest of us would eventually just ridicule or boycott them into submission if that's truly the social trend, so I fail to see how allowing the voters their right to exercise their stupidity, provided its constitutional in the state in which they do it, is such a bad thing in the grand scheme.

Like I've said, you can't legislate morality, only ethics (thanks Krissy :lol:), and sometimes even then people resent you for it if they're not ready. Change is incremental, but I believe that at this point, it should be led by society demanding equality and acceptance for all people, not mandated through legislation.

My analogy here is of parents interfering enough in their childrens' affairs to simply punish them for fighting with each other. By not giving them them tools with which to resolve their differences or giving them a bit more room so that they must learn such skills on their own, they're impeding said childrens' natural growth.

~BB~bella i truly believe you are the smartest tranny ive ever known im pretty sure anybody with a brain knows it too but i wish you were a democrat cause your stubborn enough to create change for the good of your people.do yourself a favour back away from the porn shit nobody gives a fuck once they cum and remeber the good the dems do and refresh yourself cause you could run for a seat in your district as a dem and i would support you as would alot of others.you have a gift dont waaste it.

[lisaparadise]

I love you Lisa. I can't figure you out, but I love you....lmaolisten my leafs have lost 8 oyt of there last 12,i cant play golf in the snow cause im coloured blinde and i only have white balls in my bag lol so i have to vent lol sorry i love you too you rock have a great christmas.:Bowdown:

[Silcc69]

Lisa haven't you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?

[lisaparadise]

Lisa haven't you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?http://www.logcabin.org/site/c.nsKSL7PMLpF/b.5466967/k.C986/About_Us.htm
wow not until now,i watch cnn and alot of other news stations and cant believe ive never seen nor heard of them tx for the link.

[BellaBellucci]

bella i truly believe you are the smartest tranny ive ever known im pretty sure anybody with a brain knows it too but i wish you were a democrat

Thank you. That's the coolest compliment I think I've ever been paid, but trust me, they want me about as much as I want them. My local party finds me too controversial and most people have no idea I'm trans, so that's saying a lot. :lol:

~BB~

[Ben]

Can the U.S. Government close social media accounts?

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/20/the_u_s_government_targets_twitter_terrorism/singleton/

[BellaBellucci]

Can the U.S. Government close social media accounts?

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/20/the_u_s_government_targets_twitter_terrorism/singleton/

Government surveillance of social media is like a worldwide school locker search. It's a witch hunt. But world leaders tweeting like schoolchildren is highly entertaining.

Lulz @'caramel macchiato.' :lol:


What is more likely than compulsory action is thuggish extra-legal intimidation aimed at Twitter to “voluntarily” close the account. That path is less overt but just as insidious, if not more so. That is how government officials such as Joe Lieberman succeeded in cutting off all of WikiLeaks’ funding sources and web hosting options without the bother of charging that group with a crime: by demanding that Amazon, Master Card, Visa, Paypal and others “on their own accord” terminate WikiLeaks’ accounts and refuse to provide the group with any services. As EFF’s Trevor Timm asked today: “How fast does Joe Lieberman release a statement today saying we should censor the Net in the name of national security? I bet before noon.”

~BB~

[onmyknees]

listen my leafs have lost 8 oyt of there last 12,i cant play golf in the snow cause im coloured blinde and i only have white balls in my bag lol so i have to vent lol sorry i love you too you rock have a great christmas.:Bowdown:

You're fucking funny Lisa. I don't get the whole golf thing, but that's cool. You may be the only Democrat I like. You go off "half cocked" but you don't stay mad for very long. I'll have to try that sometime !!!!!! But not anytime soon ! lol :dancing:

[lisaparadise]

You're fucking funny Lisa. I don't get the whole golf thing, but that's cool. You may be the only Democrat I like. You go off "half cocked" but you don't stay mad for very long. I'll have to try that sometime !!!!!! But not anytime soon ! lol :dancing:trust me sexy i never get mad i swear alot to get the wow factor and my point across but mad lol never.i just have a sardistic sence of humour and very poor grammer lol.

[BellaBellucci]

*bump*

~BB~

[KarinaGiselle]

*Bump* And thanks for the info, Bella! I hear there'll be another SOPA hearing in a week or two, I forgot.

[Ineeda SM]

Bella, I can answer the question, WTF is going on in congress, in one sentance. NOT A GODDAMN FUCKING THING! I think that about covers it.

[onmyknees]

*bump*

~BB~

I think we're all fucked....if the legislative branch don't get you, one of the other two will. Grab a hot tranny, a case of booze, some good weed, some provisions, and head for an Indian Reservation. They can't get you there !

[Quiet Reflections]

Bella, I can answer the question, WTF is going on in congress, in one sentance. NOT A GODDAMN FUCKING THING! I think that about covers it.
people think that all the time, which is why things like SOPA, PIPA and the already passed PRO-IP act get by all the time. They do things all the time but we are to complacent to educate ourselves.

[Silcc69]

http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA

about (http://www.craigslist.org/about/) > SOPA

Stop HR 3261 (SOPA) and S 968 (PIPA) Internet Blacklist Bills
Congress needs to hear from you, or these dangerous bills will pass - they have tremendous lobbying dollars behind them, from large corporations reportedly hoping to prop up outdated, anti-consumer business models at the expense of the very fabric of the Internet -- recklessly unleashing a tsunami of take-down notices and litigation, and a Pandora's jar of "chilling effects" and other unintended (or perhaps intended?) consequences.
Please let your Members of Congress know you OPPOSE H.R. 3621 "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) and S. 968 "Protect IP Act" (PIPA):


Phone, yes phone your Member of Congress! (House (http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/mcapdir.aspx)) (Senate (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm))
EFF Congressional Emailer - Oppose Internet Blacklisting (SOPA & PIPA) (https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8173)
OpenCongress Congressional Emailer - Oppose SOPA (http://www.opencongress.org/contact_congress_letters/new?bill=112-h3261&position=oppose)
Generic Congressional Emailer (https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml) (You'll need your Zip+4 (https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction%21input.action))

Learn more about SOPA, Protect IP (PIPA), and Internet Blacklisting:


Growing Chorus of Opposition to SOPA (http://cdt.org/report/growing-chorus-opposition-stop-online-piracy-act)
Open Letter against SOPA from 83 Prominent Internet Engineers (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/internet-inventors-warn-against-sopa-and-pipa)
Why SOPA and Protect IP (PIPA) are Bad, Bad Ideas (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111122/04254316872/definitive-post-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml) (Techdirt)
SOPA News (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=SOPA) (Google News)
Stop Online Piracy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act)
SOPA FAQ (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57329001-281/how-sopa-would-affect-you-faq/?tag=mncol;txt) (CNET)

Internet Giants Consider Blackout Against SOPA! (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=internet+blackout+sopa&oq=internet+blackout+sopa)
Where does your Member of Congress stand on SOPA? (http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/) (Project SOPA Opera)
Opponents of SOPA: Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, craigslist, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, eBay, AOL, Mozilla, Reddit, Tumblr, Etsy, Zynga, EFF, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX)

Supporters of SOPA: RIAA, MPAA, News Corporation, VISA, Mastercard, Pfizer, Comcast, Time Warner, ABC, Nike, Walmart, Dow Chemical, Tiffany, Chanel, Rolex, Monster Cable, Teamsters, Lamar Smith (R-TX), John Conyers (D-MI)

[BellaBellucci]

Opponents of SOPA: Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, craigslist, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, eBay, AOL, Mozilla, Reddit, Tumblr, Etsy, Zynga, EFF, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX)

Supporters of SOPA: RIAA, MPAA, News Corporation, VISA, Mastercard, Pfizer, Comcast, Time Warner, ABC, Nike, Walmart, Dow Chemical, Tiffany, Chanel, Rolex, Monster Cable, Teamsters, Lamar Smith (R-TX), John Conyers (D-MI)

RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!

I've been touting his ideals on this site for years. Revenge is sweet. Redemption is sweeter. I can feel it.

~BB~

[KarinaGiselle]

Hey Bella, can I PM you?

[BellaBellucci]

Hey Bella, can I PM you?

Of course: bellabellucci@ymail.com on Yahoo IM.

~BB~

[Silcc69]

Murdoch is pissed at Obama now.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/01/rupert-murdoch-takes-to-twitter-to-blast-obama-on-piracy-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newsandbuzz+%28News+%26+Buzz% 29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

[onmyknees]

This taken from the White House Blog. If you can figure out where they come down on this...get back to me. Sounds to me like they're trying to walk a fine line between their supporters in Hollywood, and their supporters at Google....understandable, as that's what politicians do...but I could be wrong.


Right now, Congress is debating a few pieces of legislation concerning the very real issue of online piracy, including the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), the PROTECT IP Act, and the Online Protection and Digital ENforcement Act (OPEN). We want to take this opportunity to tell you what the Administration will support—and what we will not support. Any effective legislation should reflect a wide range of stakeholders, including everyone from content creators to the engineers that build and maintain the infrastructure of the Internet.
While we believe that online piracy by foreign websites is a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response, we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.
Any effort to combat online piracy must guard against the risk of online censorship of lawful activity and must not inhibit innovation by our dynamic businesses large and small.

[BellaBellucci]

This taken from the White House Blog. If you can figure out where they come down on this...get back to me. Sounds to me like they're trying to walk a fine line between their supporters in Hollywood, and their supporters at Google....understandable, as that's what politicians do...but I could be wrong.


Right now, Congress is debating a few pieces of legislation concerning the very real issue of online piracy, including the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), the PROTECT IP Act, and the Online Protection and Digital ENforcement Act (OPEN). We want to take this opportunity to tell you what the Administration will support—and what we will not support. Any effective legislation should reflect a wide range of stakeholders, including everyone from content creators to the engineers that build and maintain the infrastructure of the Internet.
While we believe that online piracy by foreign websites is a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response, we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.
Any effort to combat online piracy must guard against the risk of online censorship of lawful activity and must not inhibit innovation by our dynamic businesses large and small.


Obama: 'I have the authority to detain US citizens indefinitely... but I promise I won't.'

http://www.as-for-my-house.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/used-car-salesman.jpg

~BB~

[trish]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/white-house-sopa-pipa_n_1206347.html

[loren]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/white-house-sopa-pipa_n_1206347.html

Is that just like when obama said he wouldn't sign NDAA into law?

[trish]

Well you better make sure the GOP doesn't smuggle the SOPA into the next bill to raise the Debt Ceiling.

[onmyknees]

Well you better make sure the GOP doesn't smuggle the SOPA into the next bill to raise the Debt Ceiling.

LOL Not to worry. I have confidence Barry will do the right thing ( as he did for y'all with gay marriage, Gitmo, Bush Tax cuts, imported prescription drugs, lobbying influence, comprehensive immigration reform, indefinite detention, reform the patriot act, Substantive Wall St. Reform, foreclosure reform....etc)
I don't see why there'd be a concern here.....do you? What....me worry?

[trish]

I thought you said he was a socialist?! A secret Muslim?! A radical progressive?! LMAO

[Paladin]

Yeah, after he said that he would veto it.

I agree that piracy is not the target of this legislation. It's intended to limit people's free speach.

Well you all voted for his ass...

[trish]

Yeah, there's a lot of money to be had in limiting free speech; no money at all lost to piracy. Follow the money, boys.

[Paladin]

Buy guns. Buy guns now. Right now.

Beat you to that one dino - by a long shot (and yeah, i'm quite deadly with a long shot). Mayb not as good as last of the mohicans, but anything under 600 yds, is not safe.

[trish]

Yes, buy guns and especially ammunition. Because the market is so unreasonably spooked (pun intended) that it is threatening to make guns and ammunition unavailable, or at least make them unaffordable.

[Paladin]

Ron paul is a whack job. Get used to saying president romney! :mad:

[onmyknees]

Well you better make sure the GOP doesn't smuggle the SOPA into the next bill to raise the Debt Ceiling.


In a surprise move today, Representative Eric Cantor(R-VA) announced that he will stop all action on SOPA, effectively killing the bill. This move was most likely due to several things. One of those things is that SOPA and PIPA met huge online protest against the bills. Another reason would be that the White House threatened to veto the bill if it had passed in it's current form. However, it isn’t quite time yet to celebrate, as PIPA(the Senate’s version of SOPA) is still up for consideration.”


You'll be able to rest easy now Trish, your concerns were without merit, at least in the House....but we need your help with the Democratic Senate. Can ya hear me now............ Harry Reid? lmao

[Paladin]

Well look what happened to kim dotcom that jackass. His ass is in jail without the SPOA law. They must have been working on him for a while.