Why Is Shemale Porn So Expensive?

[TSPornFan]

Shemale Porn is the most expensive porn in America. $35 is now becoming the average cost for a one month membership from Strokers, Grooby, SMC, and TS Seduction. Most of these sites don't have discounts from porn review sites. $100 gets you 5 months from a SMC site and 3 months for a Grooby site. $69.99 gives you 3 months with Strokers. $150 gives you 5 months with Strokers. $169 a year for TS Seduction.

Overall SMC isn't so bad. The sites or networks update everyday. Shemales.XXX by Grooby also updates everyday. Those are the only two that are reasonable.

$80 to $100 will give me a one year membership to any straight porn site. The average one month membership is between $10 to $29.99 for exclusive sites.

I do understand straight porn has a larger audience. Transsexual porn has a smaller pool. Transsexual porn's quality is not good enough to justified these prices. SMC has better quality than Strokers and Grooby, but Strokers and Grooby cost more in the long run(excluding one month memberships). TS Seduction has great quality but no way in hell $169 is worth a one year membership. Biological females cost more per scene than 99% of all transsexual performers. Straight porn has higher production values.

Do you think the prices for transsexual porn is fair or unfair? Explain why

[timxxx]

I think you answered your own question "straight porn has a larger audience".
Isn't gay porn even more expensive ?

[AmyDaly]

Supply and Demand? I think that if there were more sites that produced as much new content as sms,smc,and smy, that could give them a run for their money, they would be competitive and lower their prices. Unfortunately, a lot of the newer sites that opened up never updated regularly to make it competitive with those huge sites. Not only that, but SMC,SMY, amd SMS have been around for a long time. It would take some great marketing to get the new sites out there to compete. I really do hope that we get some competitors out there. It would get us more work and would be nice to see something different.

[transexual-climax]

Is it really more expensive ? I think it has more to do with the fact that porn is going cheaper & cheaper, basically free on the internet... maybe shemale porn resisted a little longer but i bet it won't last very long.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Gay porn is a lot more expensive!

[BluegrassCat]

Just looking at all of Kink.com's various sites, TsSeduction is as cheap a site as they offer. So most of their sites go for 14/month with a year's subscription but a few go higher. The ones that are higher seem to be the more rare fetish tastes: Pissing costs 25/month and Water Bondage goes for 30/month. And like someone already said the majority of Kink's gay sites are more expensive at 20/month.

So this would suggest Cost = size of audience/niche + a gay premium.

[grooby frank]

I do understand straight porn has a larger audience. Transsexual porn has a smaller pool. Transsexual porn's quality is not good enough to justified these prices. SMC has better quality than Strokers and Grooby, but Strokers and Grooby cost more in the long run(excluding one month memberships). TS Seduction has great quality but no way in hell $169 is worth a one year membership. Biological females cost more per scene than 99% of all transsexual performers. Straight porn has higher production values.

Do you think the prices for transsexual porn is fair or unfair? Explain why

I have no Idea were you get your Stats. GG's make as little as half as much per scene as TS performers. Only the superstars and contract girls make more. And solo shoots are even less. Their is an abundance of GG's willing to either work or foray into the Adult industry for quick easy money. Their are a lot less TS in the greater population, then from that number the amount willing to work in the Adult Industry make it a very small talent pool indeed.

Frank

[MrsKellyPierce]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[runningdownthatdream]

Shemale Porn is the most expensive porn in America. $35 is now becoming the average cost for a one month membership from Strokers, Grooby, SMC, and TS Seduction. Most of these sites don't have discounts from porn review sites. $100 gets you 5 months from a SMC site and 3 months for a Grooby site. $69.99 gives you 3 months with Strokers. $150 gives you 5 months with Strokers. $169 a year for TS Seduction.

Overall SMC isn't so bad. The sites or networks update everyday. Shemales.XXX by Grooby also updates everyday. Those are the only two that are reasonable.

$80 to $100 will give me a one year membership to any straight porn site. The average one month membership is between $10 to $29.99 for exclusive sites.

I do understand straight porn has a larger audience. Transsexual porn has a smaller pool. Transsexual porn's quality is not good enough to justified these prices. SMC has better quality than Strokers and Grooby, but Strokers and Grooby cost more in the long run(excluding one month memberships). TS Seduction has great quality but no way in hell $169 is worth a one year membership. Biological females cost more per scene than 99% of all transsexual performers. Straight porn has higher production values.

Do you think the prices for transsexual porn is fair or unfair? Explain why

Get a job, stop complaining. Or better yet get a TGF or GF.

[dderek123]

I don't think "fair" or "unfair" has anything to do with the pricing of TS porn. I'm no expert though.

[Murderous-marge]

Grooby screws the transsexuals over by offering them 500 a scene and then making thousands of that model alone. Grooby also likes to steal alternate versions of existing webpages from their models, overall it's a group of greedy mongrels who exploit transgenders for monetary gain. The girls who work consistently with them have nothing going for themselves and all end up on escort sites, which if you've noticed doesn't occur with female Porn stars (so I assume they are paid more). Shemale club actually pays more and takes care of certain travel, hotel and etc arrangements.
Grooby also has very shitty photographers (pardon my French) bad lighting, bad angles and NO makeup artist. How many people like to see pimples, cellulite, facial hair, and razor burn on the girls? I would assume very few since porn is glamour.. Most men covet models and video vixens who are retouched by graphic artists because they become seemingly flawless (and I'm not talking about changing features just smoothing less flattering areas and evening skin tones). Kinda like a digital airbrush makeup and spanx, lol.
Also let us not forget the very loose term she male and transsexual....

I remember when shemale meant a woman with a dick, not a criminal with maybelline and walmart lingerie....
And by definition transsexual actually means doing something to change to the opposite sex you were born as (physically). How many grooby tgirls do you see that look like they have ever swallowed estrogen in their life? Now how many shemale club tgirls?
I apologize for the rant I am just going into depth of why grooby is cheaper overall and why other sites with more taste and class charge more...

[Nikka]

is cheap.... Scat and bestiality porn are 3 times more expensive, real german Torture DVDS costs 80euro

[TSPornFan]

I have no Idea were you get your Stats. GG's make as little as half as much per scene as TS performers. Only the superstars and contract girls make more. And solo shoots are even less. Their is an abundance of GG's willing to either work or foray into the Adult industry for quick easy money. Their are a lot less TS in the greater population, then from that number the amount willing to work in the Adult Industry make it a very small talent pool indeed.

Frank

I do recall many TS on this site saying GG's make more than TS performers. Biological women can make up to thousands per scene without being a contract girl.

[onmyknees]

Grooby screws the transsexuals over by offering them 500 a scene and then making thousands of that model alone. Grooby also likes to steal alternate versions of existing webpages from their models, overall it's a group of greedy mongrels who exploit transgenders for monetary gain. The girls who work consistently with them have nothing going for themselves and all end up on escort sites, which if you've noticed doesn't occur with female Porn stars (so I assume they are paid more). Shemale club actually pays more and takes care of certain travel, hotel and etc arrangements.
Grooby also has very shitty photographers (pardon my French) bad lighting, bad angles and NO makeup artist. How many people like to see pimples, cellulite, facial hair, and razor burn on the girls? I would assume very few since porn is glamour.. Most men covet models and video vixens who are retouched by graphic artists because they become seemingly flawless (and I'm not talking about changing features just smoothing less flattering areas and evening skin tones). Kinda like a digital airbrush makeup and spanx, lol.
Also let us not forget the very loose term she male and transsexual....

I remember when shemale meant a woman with a dick, not a criminal with maybelline and walmart lingerie....
And by definition transsexual actually means doing something to change to the opposite sex you were born as (physically). How many grooby tgirls do you see that look like they have ever swallowed estrogen in their life? Now how many shemale club tgirls?
I apologize for the rant I am just going into depth of why grooby is cheaper overall and why other sites with more taste and class charge more...


I've heard that $500. figure kicked around, and it blew me away. I understand supply, demand, and product...I own 3 businesses, but for 500 bucks I wouldn't even get out of bed let alone travel, prepare and let some dude pound my ass for 30 minutes, only to have no ownership of your work product....not in a multi billion dollar industry ....but I suppose in the end....you get what you pay for like anything else. I wouldn't mind paying more for a gallon of milk if I was sure the hard working, underpaid bastard raising the cows actually got the money...but that's not likely to happen.....he'll never see a penny of it. I guess I'm not shedding any tears for either side, it's a willing partnership, but 500 bucks is a joke.

[timxxx]

Grooby screws the transsexuals over by offering them 500 a scene and then making thousands of that model alone. Grooby also likes to steal alternate versions of existing webpages from their models, overall it's a group of greedy mongrels who exploit transgenders for monetary gain. The girls who work consistently with them have nothing going for themselves and all end up on escort sites, which if you've noticed doesn't occur with female Porn stars (so I assume they are paid more). Shemale club actually pays more and takes care of certain travel, hotel and etc arrangements.
Grooby also has very shitty photographers (pardon my French) bad lighting, bad angles and NO makeup artist. How many people like to see pimples, cellulite, facial hair, and razor burn on the girls? I would assume very few since porn is glamour.. Most men covet models and video vixens who are retouched by graphic artists because they become seemingly flawless (and I'm not talking about changing features just smoothing less flattering areas and evening skin tones). Kinda like a digital airbrush makeup and spanx, lol.
Also let us not forget the very loose term she male and transsexual....

I remember when shemale meant a woman with a dick, not a criminal with maybelline and walmart lingerie....
And by definition transsexual actually means doing something to change to the opposite sex you were born as (physically). How many grooby tgirls do you see that look like they have ever swallowed estrogen in their life? Now how many shemale club tgirls?
I apologize for the rant I am just going into depth of why grooby is cheaper overall and why other sites with more taste and class charge more...

If Grooby screws over transsexuals like you say,why do they continue to work with them. And if there's thousands to be made from transsexual porn
why are not more company's doing it ?

[flabbybody]

grooby has a mass audience with a diverse preference of model types.
I may like early transition girls and p/t CD's that don't fit the image of glamorous ultra-fem transwomen models. It's a debate we constantly see on HA when a nasty post will call someone a thug boy in a wig. That boy in a wig is exactly what someone else is willing to pay to view.

[GroobySteven]

I won't bother responding to "murderous-marge" whom I think it's pretty clear who is that bitter, man-hater who I think appears on most people's "Tranny Porn Dead Pool".

Why is TS porn so expensive? It's not. It's a small niche market and cannot be compared to mainstream porn. If we had the potential to sell the site to 10,000's of members at $10-$20 per month then we would do that but we have a budget that needs to be met to get the content and run the sites, to maintain what we hope is our maximum membership level and for us that's between $19.99 and $34.99 depending on the site and the amount and costs of the content.

I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works.

As a previous poster stated, if WE were that bad and the rest of the industry so good, then why do models continue to work with us, multiple times?

[Kevin Dong]

I won't bother responding to "murderous-marge" whom I think it's pretty clear who is that bitter, man-hater who I think appears on most people's "Tranny Porn Dead Pool".

Why is TS porn so expensive? It's not. It's a small niche market and cannot be compared to mainstream porn. If we had the potential to sell the site to 10,000's of members at $10-$20 per month then we would do that but we have a budget that needs to be met to get the content and run the sites, to maintain what we hope is our maximum membership level and for us that's between $19.99 and $34.99 depending on the site and the amount and costs of the content.

I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works.

As a previous poster stated, if WE were that bad and the rest of the industry so good, then why do models continue to work with us, multiple times?

I think if people knew how much work it actually takes to produce a good scene they would understand more. People think that we as producers are just rolling in money. I'll admit before I had entered the industry I thought that every porn producer was a multi-millionaire too. People need to understand that its a job like any other, and with the piracy these days its a miracle we make any money at all. Soon porn will be extinct because people aren't paying us for our content. Photographers are told to take breaks right before holidays because the budgets simply aren't there to allow us to work. $600 for a solo shoot of 1.5 hours of masturbating is pretty damn good. It is also the highest rate for solos in the whole industry! Grooby pays more than anybody else. I am pretty sure SMC pays just the same if not a bit less. So whoever said that has their head up their fucking ass.

[partlycloudy]

Biological women can make up to thousands per scene without being a contract girl.
source?

[WendyWilliams]

I think if people knew how much work it actually takes to produce a good scene they would understand more. People think that we as producers are just rolling in money. I'll admit before I had entered the industry I thought that every porn producer was a multi-millionaire too. People need to understand that its a job like any other, and with the piracy these days its a miracle we make any money at all. Soon porn will be extinct because people aren't paying us for our content. Photographers are told to take breaks right before holidays because the budgets simply aren't there to allow us to work. $600 for a solo shoot of 1.5 hours of masturbating is pretty damn good. It is also the highest rate for solos in the whole industry! Grooby pays more than anybody else. I am pretty sure SMC pays just the same if not a bit less. So whoever said that has their head up their fucking ass.


Kevin SMC and Grooby pay the same for shoots but require diff content amount. Going solo rates are 500-600 across the board. FYI Joey pays the best and strokers pays the best for the least solo work.

[Kevin Dong]

Kevin SMC and Grooby pay the same for shoots but require diff content amount. Going solo rates are 500-600 across the board. FYI Joey pays the best and strokers pays the best for the least solo work.

Thank you Wendy I stand corrected.

[Silcc69]

I won't bother responding to "murderous-marge" whom I think it's pretty clear who is that bitter, man-hater who I think appears on most people's "Tranny Porn Dead Pool".

Why is TS porn so expensive? It's not. It's a small niche market and cannot be compared to mainstream porn. If we had the potential to sell the site to 10,000's of members at $10-$20 per month then we would do that but we have a budget that needs to be met to get the content and run the sites, to maintain what we hope is our maximum membership level and for us that's between $19.99 and $34.99 depending on the site and the amount and costs of the content.

I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works.

As a previous poster stated, if WE were that bad and the rest of the industry so good, then why do models continue to work with us, multiple times?

How many customers does the Grooby Network have?

[TSPornFan]

source?

Sorry but I'm unable to provide that source. It's in an article on campus and only students can access the articles because some writers charge a fee.


I won't bother responding to "murderous-marge" whom I think it's pretty clear who is that bitter, man-hater who I think appears on most people's "Tranny Porn Dead Pool".

Why is TS porn so expensive? It's not. It's a small niche market and cannot be compared to mainstream porn. If we had the potential to sell the site to 10,000's of members at $10-$20 per month then we would do that but we have a budget that needs to be met to get the content and run the sites, to maintain what we hope is our maximum membership level and for us that's between $19.99 and $34.99 depending on the site and the amount and costs of the content.

I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works.

As a previous poster stated, if WE were that bad and the rest of the industry so good, then why do models continue to work with us, multiple times?

Here is another problem. It is true companies pay more than just the models. However, Grooby should not cost more than SMC nor any other network. Grooby currently has the worst video quality in transsexual porn.

T-Girl Pin Ups should not cost as much as other SMC sites because members are unable to download content. Also VOD is now avaiable for Pin Ups but each hardcore scene costs $15.99 each, that is 1/3 of a monthly membership.

[timxxx]

SMC is my favourite site,l like the way they shoot their content.But you can't compare them to Shemaleyum or Blacktgirls in terms of value for money,you get about 25 girls a month update on Shemaleyum.And not the photoset as an update & the video 2 weeks later BS that SMC pull.

[GroobySteven]

Sorry but I'm unable to provide that source. It's in an article on campus and only students can access the articles because some writers charge a fee.
Bwwwahahahaha - you read it on a toilet wall?




However, Grooby should not cost more than SMC nor any other network. Grooby currently has the worst video quality in transsexual porn.
Bullshit - our video quality is on par or above any other system.

[GroobySteven]

And not the photoset as an update & the video 2 weeks later BS that SMC pull.

Every update on our sites includes videos at photos.
http://www.shemale.xxx is updating 20+ sets a month all of super high quality.
http://www.shemaleyum.com and http://www.black-tgirls.com update 28+ sets and 24+ sets respectively.
This doesn't include the extra free sets we give away.

Most quality sites like the majority of SMC sites, Grooby sites, Strokers, etc. are billed for at about the amount they should be.

Franklin once again has created a thread purporting to be based on fact but based on something he's just made up or assumed.

[GroobySteven]

How many customers does the Grooby Network have?
What's it to you?

[TSPornFan]

Bullshit - our video quality is on par or above any other system.

This isn't bullshit. Do you not pay attention to your competition? Your competition is miles ahead of Grooby's video quality. SMC, Devil's Flims, TS Seduction, and Strokers have much better video quality. The files' sizes are much larger(sometimes more than 1 GB) but they are worth it.

[Silcc69]

What's it to you?

Dude it's just a legit question.

[GroobySteven]

Dude it's just a legit question.

Dude, why would I put that number out there? Grooby websites sell 1000's of memberships a month.

[GroobySteven]

This isn't bullshit. Do you not pay attention to your competition? Your competition is miles ahead of Grooby's video quality. SMC, Devil's Flims, TS Seduction, and Strokers have much better video quality. The files' sizes are much larger(sometimes more than 1 GB) but they are worth it.


Mostof them aren't our competition. We have little to no negative feedback on our video quality which is available in 2 different download formats and streaming. 1GB+ is ecessive for most consumers.

[Teydyn]

Seanchai, dont you get it? Franklin is STUDYING porn. What clue do you have about it? All you have is real world experience and a successful business... :D

[Silcc69]

Dude, why would I put that number out there? Grooby websites sell 1000's of memberships a month.

Can I not compare the numbers to straight sites?

[GroobySteven]

Can I not compare the numbers to straight sites?
You can do what you wish.

[onmyknees]

I won't bother responding to "murderous-marge" whom I think it's pretty clear who is that bitter, man-hater who I think appears on most people's "Tranny Porn Dead Pool".

Why is TS porn so expensive? It's not. It's a small niche market and cannot be compared to mainstream porn. If we had the potential to sell the site to 10,000's of members at $10-$20 per month then we would do that but we have a budget that needs to be met to get the content and run the sites, to maintain what we hope is our maximum membership level and for us that's between $19.99 and $34.99 depending on the site and the amount and costs of the content.

I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works.

As a previous poster stated, if WE were that bad and the rest of the industry so good, then why do models continue to work with us, multiple times?


"I always find it hilarious when so called business persons look at one fixed raw material cost and then base all their assumptions off that. We pay $600 to US/Euro models for solo shoots and $800 for hardcore which is pretty much about what most website producers pay them. To get a $600 shoot to being published on a site we have to pay the photographers, photoshop editors, video editors, webmasers, promotions/marketing, affiliate manager, book-keeper, office/studio rent, graphic designers, drivers, general bills and then all billing company costs before we see a penny of profit. THAT is how business works."

Well then you're easily amused round man ! And stop crying about built in costs .....it's a given in any bussiness. And you're wrong....TS Seduction is better viewer quality. I'm a consumer and I'm here to enlighten you about that as much as it pains me to agree with Franklin. Don't get so overly defensive...I wasn't talking down your product...you're a prickly old bastard ! I like lots of the shit you do....but when I pay good coin and get a bad meal...I'm gonna say something. All I was suggesting is I wouldn't take a dick in the ass under the hot lights for 600-800 bucks for a product you down even own, and I suspect you wouldn't either.

[TSPornFan]

Mostof them aren't our competition. We have little to no negative feedback on our video quality which is available in 2 different download formats and streaming. 1GB+ is ecessive for most consumers.

1GB is actually the current norm in all forms of porn. All of the top straight, gay, and TS sites have 1GB+ videos. Grooby is one of the few sites that have small size downloads.

Many porn viewers use external hard drives for porn so the video sizes aren't a big deal. The drives can hold thousands of videos.

Actually I posted negative feedback about Grooby's video quality at Yum's forum and the thread was deleted.

[alpha2117]

is cheap.... Scat and bestiality porn are 3 times more expensive, real german Torture DVDS costs 80euro

Nikka has nailed it. The more obscure the taste the more expensive the product because the lesser number of people paying for it. In general Grooby and the other producers charges aren't excessive especially when you compare the price to say the average escort per hour.

I will agree with some peoples points on TSSeduction probably having the best vid quality of the US TS product but it needs to be remembered that they are using Kink's gay porn sets (from things like Boundgods) etc so it's less a specialty biz than say Grooby which is pretty much confined to it's niche. TSSeduction also really only does about 4 or 5 sets a month. The Grooby sites go for slightly lesser quality of vid but a much higher number of new content a month.

It's clear the Grooby guys like any other business have tried to find a price point and a update rate that they feel works best for them in the same way TSSeduction has but because the product is aimed at a different part of the market the Kink guys have gone for higher quality but smaller number of updates because their customers are more niche. Grooby and I'm not trying to slight them here are using a more fast food approach to the product. Theres nothing wrong with that approach and what it definitly does do is exposes a lot more talent to the marketplace. Models would be much more likely to get a start on a Grooby site than they would on a low turnover site because that low turnover site wouldn't want to produce a set with a girl who didn't get over with their audience whilst Grooby produces so many sets that if a girl turns out to not be overly popular it isn't a disaster.

[jerseyboy72]

I am a fan of Andrea Nobili and Louie Damazo's stuff.

[TSPornFan]

Nikka has nailed it. The more obscure the taste the more expensive the product because the lesser number of people paying for it. In general Grooby and the other producers charges aren't excessive especially when you compare the price to say the average escort per hour.

I will agree with some peoples points on TSSeduction probably having the best vid quality of the US TS product but it needs to be remembered that they are using Kink's gay porn sets (from things like Boundgods) etc so it's less a specialty biz than say Grooby which is pretty much confined to it's niche. TSSeduction also really only does about 4 or 5 sets a month. The Grooby sites go for slightly lesser quality of vid but a much higher number of new content a month.

It's clear the Grooby guys like any other business have tried to find a price point and a update rate that they feel works best for them in the same way TSSeduction has but because the product is aimed at a different part of the market the Kink guys have gone for higher quality but smaller number of updates because their customers are more niche. Grooby and I'm not trying to slight them here are using a more fast food approach to the product. Theres nothing wrong with that approach and what it definitly does do is exposes a lot more talent to the marketplace. Models would be much more likely to get a start on a Grooby site than they would on a low turnover site because that low turnover site wouldn't want to produce a set with a girl who didn't get over with their audience whilst Grooby produces so many sets that if a girl turns out to not be overly popular it isn't a disaster.

There is no excuse why Grooby has the worst video quality in the American TS Business. TS Seductioin isn't the only good quality site. SMC's quality is very good. Strokers have better video quality than Grooby. Devil's Films has very good quality. Don't overlook the others!

Most T-Girls Grooby shots are not popular. They rarely become popular. The ones who become popular are mostly passable.

[Tiffany Starr]

There is no excuse why Grooby has the worst video quality in the American TS Business. TS Seductioin isn't the only good quality site. SMC's quality is very good. Strokers have better video quality than Grooby. Devil's Films has very good quality. Don't overlook the others!

Most T-Girls Grooby shots are not popular. They rarely become popular. The ones who become popular are mostly passable.

SMC has great quality, thats why i'm an SMC girl

[GroobySteven]

There is no excuse why Grooby has the worst video quality in the American TS Business. TS Seductioin isn't the only good quality site. SMC's quality is very good. Strokers have better video quality than Grooby. Devil's Films has very good quality. Don't overlook the others!

Most T-Girls Grooby shots are not popular. They rarely become popular. The ones who become popular are mostly passable.


Then don't join the sites! You've got a choice Franklin, you are not forced to join anything. As I mentioned above, we get almost no negative feedback back about video quality which means that our 1000's of customers are happy with the quality and the value for money that they are getting. We look at video quality periodically but when I download one of our HD shot scenes, I can't see the difference between most of the companies you mentioned.
"Most tgirls we shoot rarely become popular"? What a crock of shit - we've shot pretty much every model and most of them BEFORE other sites (who look at our site to see how popular they are before shooting them).

Get the fuck out of here Franklin, you spend far too much time talking to yourself about shemale porn.

[GroobySteven]

Grooby and I'm not trying to slight them here are using a more fast food approach to the product. Theres nothing wrong with that approach and what it definitly does do is exposes a lot more talent to the marketplace. Models would be much more likely to get a start on a Grooby site than they would on a low turnover site because that low turnover site wouldn't want to produce a set with a girl who didn't get over with their audience whilst Grooby produces so many sets that if a girl turns out to not be overly popular it isn't a disaster.

Actually we don't do that. We specifically choose a wider range of models to feature on Black Tgirls and Shemale Yum because we're targetting a larger audience. From those girls we choose ones specifically for our other sites like ShemalePornstar.com and Shemale.xxx (or Franks-Tgirlworld.com). Our Brazilian sites are some of the only ones left shooting new content in Brazil and we run the only Japanese site. We're more like a cruise ship which has different restaurants catering to different tastes as well as a buffet to sample it all - a buffet which likes to try different tastes.

Our photo and video sets have far more time spent on the post-production then practically every other site, which is one of the reasons our running costs are expensive.

[TSPornFan]

Then don't join the sites! You've got a choice Franklin, you are not forced to join anything. As I mentioned above, we get almost no negative feedback back about video quality which means that our 1000's of customers are happy with the quality and the value for money that they are getting. We look at video quality periodically but when I download one of our HD shot scenes, I can't see the difference between most of the companies you mentioned.
"Most tgirls we shoot rarely become popular"? What a crock of shit - we've shot pretty much every model and most of them BEFORE other sites (who look at our site to see how popular they are before shooting them).

Get the fuck out of here Franklin, you spend far too much time talking to yourself about shemale porn.

You're not much better than Tomcat from TS Seduction. You're another guy who can't handle criticism.

Now you're telling me to not join the sites. You're lying about Grooby's video quality. 99.999999% of the forum members will agree with me about Grooby's video quality compared to other sites. Tiffany Starr and another forum member agreed with me. Wake up and stop being defensive. How about you actually improve your product instead of snapping at a loyal member?

How can people complain about video quality when you or someone else deleted my thread about it months ago on the Yum's forums?

[Teydyn]

How about you actually improve your product instead of snapping at a loyal member?
How about not? I am pretty sure "grooby" thought about really high quality videos.

And then decided against it. Not many people WANT it so much that they leave the site if they dont get it compared to all the people who WILL download it or watch it if its there. Traffic costs money. Which way do they lose more? Obviously the one with really high quality videos.

[Richctdude]

they charge what the market will handle

[LibertyHarkness]

i dont really get this video quality thing .. what are you meaning the actual format? the scene itself interms of performances ?? i think all videographer are using similar kit , i use sony Z1e, Fx1 which are all used by mainstream producer in straight , many use canon as well ... we all shoot in full 1080 /60hz HD, well i shoot some of my stuff in 50hz as i am from europe ...

So all the sites receive raw footage in the same format ...are you talking about the download options ? most sites offer videos for download in SD/HD/FLV for streaming .. my own site i give a mixture of video formats of quality, and just re encoding all the movies for 720HD download ...

A well lit, well shot SD video will look better than a poorly lit , poorly shot HD movie .

Can you elaborate abit franklin?

[tvkim]

I've heard that $500. figure kicked around, and it blew me away. I understand supply, demand, and product...I own 3 businesses, but for 500 bucks I wouldn't even get out of bed let alone travel, prepare and let some dude pound my ass for 30 minutes, only to have no ownership of your work product....not in a multi billion dollar industry ....but I suppose in the end....you get what you pay for like anything else. I wouldn't mind paying more for a gallon of milk if I was sure the hard working, underpaid bastard raising the cows actually got the money...but that's not likely to happen.....he'll never see a penny of it. I guess I'm not shedding any tears for either side, it's a willing partnership, but 500 bucks is a joke.

I had the same experience with Birchplace

This is why I stick to Bluepixels. We all get access to our CCBill sign up details so we know EXACTLY what going on and who is signing up.

[LibertyHarkness]

ahh you was one of the first sites on bp kim wasnt you ? quite a few left there didnt they for the same reasons i was told :)

[TSPornFan]

i dont really get this video quality thing .. what are you meaning the actual format? the scene itself interms of performances ?? i think all videographer are using similar kit , i use sony Z1e, Fx1 which are all used by mainstream producer in straight , many use canon as well ... we all shoot in full 1080 /60hz HD, well i shoot some of my stuff in 50hz as i am from europe ...

So all the sites receive raw footage in the same format ...are you talking about the download options ? most sites offer videos for download in SD/HD/FLV for streaming .. my own site i give a mixture of video formats of quality, and just re encoding all the movies for 720HD download ...

A well lit, well shot SD video will look better than a poorly lit , poorly shot HD movie .

Can you elaborate abit franklin?


Video quality is how good or bad the videos look when played.

This is a TS Seduction Trailer- http://www.tsseduction.com/site/shoot/16132-One-Night-Stand-Some-Things-Dont-Go-as-Planned.html

This is a Grooby Trailer- http://www.shemalepornstar.com/tour/?direct=1

This is a SMC trailer-http://www.tgirlpinups.com/tour/index.php?section=125

This is a Devil's Flims trailer-http://www.devilsfilm.com/en/Transsexual-Cheerleaders-07-Scene-3/film/33029

[TSPornFan]

How about not? I am pretty sure "grooby" thought about really high quality videos.

And then decided against it. Not many people WANT it so much that they leave the site if they dont get it compared to all the people who WILL download it or watch it if its there. Traffic costs money. Which way do they lose more? Obviously the one with really high quality videos.

What? What you said made no sense. SMC and TS Seduction have high quality videos and BETTER traffic than Grooby's sites.

[GroobySteven]

You're not much better than Tomcat from TS Seduction. You're another guy who can't handle criticism.

Now you're telling me to not join the sites. You're lying about Grooby's video quality. 99.999999% of the forum members will agree with me about Grooby's video quality compared to other sites. Tiffany Starr and another forum member agreed with me. Wake up and stop being defensive. How about you actually improve your product instead of snapping at a loyal member?

How can people complain about video quality when you or someone else deleted my thread about it months ago on the Yum's forums?

I handle criticism by answering it here or in emails (how many other company owners engage their members) but that doesn't mean I will agree or kowtow to everything you say especially when you have a history and reputation for pulling facts out of your arse. The reason that you were probably kicked from Kink is that not EVERY customer is right and worth engaging, sometimes it's just too much time and energy devoted to that one individual so it's better just to refuse servie.
It's not about being defensive it's about stating the facts, at this point, we don't need to do anything to our videos other than what we're currently showing as we don't have the feedback that we need to change.

You've pulled out another stupid comment below:

"SMC and TS Seduction have high quality videos and BETTER traffic than Grooby's sites. "

What does one have to do with another? Where does that snippet of fact come from? Either way it's not relevant.

If the videos are our sites are not good enough for YOU, then I will take note of that at what we need to do to improve retention and revenue, then take all the feedback given into consideration.

[GroobySteven]

Video quality is how good or bad the videos look when played.

This is a TS Seduction Trailer- http://www.tsseduction.com/site/shoot/16132-One-Night-Stand-Some-Things-Dont-Go-as-Planned.html

This is a Grooby Trailer- http://www.shemalepornstar.com/tour/?direct=1

This is a SMC trailer-http://www.tgirlpinups.com/tour/index.php?section=125

This is a Devil's Flims trailer-http://www.devilsfilm.com/en/Transsexual-Cheerleaders-07-Scene-3/film/33029

Those are trailers. We show a lower quality trailer than the downloadable videos in the site as there is no point wasting bandwidth and it's better to have a faster streaming feed so potential customers can access the trailers without waiting.

[tvkim]

ahh you was one of the first sites on bp kim wasnt you ? quite a few left there didnt they for the same reasons i was told :)

Yes Libby and I was also the covergirl of Birchplace.

I left because I needed more control of my sign up verifications, something Blue pixels is great at providing.

Just being told that I had a certain number of sign ups a month was not good really.

[TSPornFan]

Those are trailers. We show a lower quality trailer than the downloadable videos in the site as there is no point wasting bandwidth and it's better to have a faster streaming feed so potential customers can access the trailers without waiting.

I've download HD scenes form all of the sites. Grooby's video quality is not up to par.



You've pulled out another stupid comment below:

"SMC and TS Seduction have high quality videos and BETTER traffic than Grooby's sites. "


The comment wasn't stupid. How about you READ who and what I was responding to.


I handle criticism by answering it here or in emails (how many other company owners engage their members) but that doesn't mean I will agree or kowtow to everything you say especially when you have a history and reputation for pulling facts out of your arse. The reason that you were probably kicked from Kink is that not EVERY customer is right and worth engaging, sometimes it's just too much time and energy devoted to that one individual so it's better just to refuse servie.
It's not about being defensive it's about stating the facts, at this point, we don't need to do anything to our videos other than what we're currently showing as we don't have the feedback that we need to change.



What happen between me and Kink was a disgrace. I gave a scene a bad rating for being gonzo and it resulted in my banishment. What made it worst is that Tomcat lied that it wasn't gonzo. Tomcat is known to ban people who give videos bad ratings or delete comments.

[GroobySteven]

What made it worst is that Tomcat lied that it wasn't gonzo. Tomcat is known to ban people who give videos bad ratings or delete comments.

Maybe it's just you Franklin because given the rubbish you come out with, I understand how he feels.
By the way, if you (or anyone else) is feeling the pinch then check out our discounted rates at:
http://www.grooby.com/tickets/
and we also have special offers at http://www.shemaledeals.com

[TSPornFan]

Maybe it's just you Franklin because given the rubbish you come out with, I understand how he feels.
By the way, if you (or anyone else) is feeling the pinch then check out our discounted rates at:
http://www.grooby.com/tickets/
and we also have special offers at http://www.shemaledeals.com

I'm not the only person Tomcat has kicked out and deleted comments. Kink directors are known to be rude to people these days.

[GroobySteven]

I'm not the only person Tomcat has kicked out and deleted comments. Kink directors are known to be rude to people these days.

Well it is a site for guys who like to get abused by transsexuals so I guess you'd be getting your money's worth. Talk about good value!

[maya7]

I am sorry to post this far away from Seanchai's last post but I couldn't help it. This is one of the worst threads in HA.

And here's why: The guy trying to make a point out of pixels got all wrong (technically speaking?: No).

Quality is not the amount of pixels, if quality was only about HD every other amateur with an HD Handycam would be able to shoot great movies / picture sets right? and as a consequence we would be having poor production, poor sets and poor performances in very nice ultra high quality images so, the point is moot when it comes to content.

There are a lot of sites offering pirated movies (free posts or free video sites) with way too low quality from the originals and guess what? their stats mark some +5,000 hits for a single crappy low res video taken from a webcam-captioned video with no audio.

So quality equals hi res images? NO!!!

It doesn't matter where you are looking at, indeed SMY has the longest running site and there's a reason, but people are way too misinformed from the marketing of new devices.

A 12 Mega-pixel camera shoots a better picture than an 8 Mega-pixel? No, any good photographer could answer this one easily, the amount of pixels in an image helps to have bigger printouts or have better ways to make editions but that's about it, a good picture is about being able to make a scene look aesthetically good and that is something that has nothing to do with the resolution.

So, guys, keep the good job and since there's always room for improvement (just because there's always room not because I am implying anything negative) make our fantasies look better and give us the content we wish for.

[lordworm]

I don't believe that about Grooby. They have amazing and stupendous amount of content, plus the biggest ts on ts archive ever, plain and simple. Ts on Ts is the rarest type of tranny porn and most expensive, whether you like it or not it shows quality.

Besides, Louie Damazo is the best director ever, and he constantly posts along with other members and even takes member requests to the heart. I'll take my Grooby sites over all the others, thanks.

[lifeisfiction]

Ts porn is not expensive it depends what sites you sign up. There are many options that have great porn for a great price. I haven't spent over 19.99 a month for quality ts porn site in years and I don't plan too any time in the future. In fact the most I pay now for a month for one site is 14.99. Just like anything in life, do your homework and you will find quality porn.

[LibertyHarkness]

really people cant afford 30bucks a month for some porn, yet they can afford their internet fees, or smoking drugs, pissing it up lol .. amazes me .. a few less beers a month and boom you can have a site of your choice ...

[nina_lisa]

really people cant afford 30bucks a month for some porn,

I'd rather buy some curry, garlic naan, and Mango lassi ^__^

[youngblood61]

If you put blond hair on Nina Lisa she looks like Brianna the great women warrior on Game of Thrones.:Bowdown::Bowdown:

[lifeisfiction]

really people cant afford 30bucks a month for some porn, yet they can afford their internet fees, or smoking drugs, pissing it up lol .. amazes me .. a few less beers a month and boom you can have a site of your choice ...

But if prefer to get laid, I don't want to splurg on porn.


I'd rather buy some curry, garlic naan, and Mango lassi ^__^

Good food is good food. You can't be cheap on that.

[Wendy Summers]

but if prefer to get laid, i don't want to splurg on porn.



Good porn is good porn. You can't be cheap on that.

fixed!

[lifeisfiction]

Someone's putting words into my mouth. If it was a cock I would have no complaints.

[FreddieGomez]

well. u dont say

[TSMichelleAustin]

Freddy I thought u had a gf and u were gone from here.... seems u cant leave!

[FreddieGomez]

Freddy I thought u had a gf and u were gone from here.... seems u cant leave!

yeah but it aint like we're together 24/7

i still enjoy conversation, i just dont look at porn. :dancing:

[Mayrah]

yeah but it aint like we're together 24/7

i still enjoy conversation, i just dont look at porn. :dancing:

I wonder what her opinion is about her "man" looking at cocks on his favourite website with over 3000 posts.