The new Herman Cain ad.

[Silcc69]

Herman Cain's Campaign Promises with Mike Tyson from Mike Tyson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwo5coKxuE)

[yodajazz]

Hey, that's good!

[Faldur]

Think this might be a better add.. ya gotta be able to laugh at yourself.. :)

Only thing missing was, "Oops!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6UpGrgbdnU&feature=related)

[trish]

It doesn't seem like Cain really has an opinion on Libya and he's straining to remember what someone told him his position should be. Same phenomenon occurred last week when Perry couldn't remember what agencies we was told to cut should he become president. I've seen those behaviors before, in students who studied, but not well enough to become fluent with the material for which they are being held responsible. Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP actually put up someone who has a ready command of issues and without taking a blitz course on history and current affairs from the republican perspective, you know...someone with knowledge and qualifications? Unfortunately it's too late now...oops!

[Stavros]

What surprises me about the Republican contenders, with the exception of Ron Paul, is that their general ignorance of world affairs means they have not spotted what some believe is a weakness in the American reaction to the Arab Spring. I think someone called it 'Leading from behind' -the USA, like Israel and the Russians, seem to be fazed by the scale of the changes taking place which, for once, are moving beyond their influence -unless something secretive had been going on in Yemen and Libya, the former relating to 'terrorism' the latter to petroleum. But it can only identified as a weakness if the Republicans have an alternative strategy, whereas in Cain's case, it is, as it were, something of a Pain to even ask, since he obviously has no idea. But let's face it, he is light entertainment, and is three months away from oblivion. If he doesn't jump before then. Ps, that doesn't mean the European reaction to the Arab Spring has been laudable, but that's another thread.

[Faldur]

Maybe ole Herman should have brought a teleprompter with him. Perry, he could of used a remote defibrillator. Both made for some serious laughs, but you got to be kidding me if you think the president of 58 states brings more to the table? Really?

Ron Paul could never get the conservative vote, He has some excellent ideas. But as many that are pretty looney. I could never vote for him. Maybe a younger, version... Rand.. :)

[trish]

Maybe ole Herman should have brought a teleprompter with him. Hey, Ronald Reagan did. And Lincoln used the back of an envelop. But if you don't quite remember what country Libya is or can't remember what the President's doing wrong there, or if you can't remember what agency you're a hankerin' to close down, then you're just faking someone else's opinions and even the latest mnemonic technology doesn't fix that.

[Ben]

Maybe ole Herman should have brought a teleprompter with him. Perry, he could of used a remote defibrillator. Both made for some serious laughs, but you got to be kidding me if you think the president of 58 states brings more to the table? Really?

Ron Paul could never get the conservative vote, He has some excellent ideas. But as many that are pretty looney. I could never vote for him. Maybe a younger, version... Rand.. :)

I, personally, think Paul is good on foreign policy. No reason to debate it. Just my opinion.
I don't think he gets the so-called conservative vote because he strikes me as being irreligious. His position on, say, abortion is understandable. But I can't see Christians backing him, as it were.
And, too, how far would he go with respect to domestic policy. Who knows. I mean, bank bailouts would end. So, the banks would therefore collapse. The big banks, as it were.
I think he'd try to end subsidies to large corporations. I think he'd make companies sink or swim on their own. But, overall, I have no idea how far he'd go with respect to his so-called free market ideas. I mean, free/pure markets mean absolutely no state/government intervention in the economy. Are Americans prepared/ready for that? Are corporate executives ready for that?
I don't think corporate executives fear him. I just don't think they like him very much. Because his beef is ending corporatism.

[Faldur]

Hey, Ronald Reagan did. And Lincoln used the back of an envelop. But if you don't quite remember what country Libya is or can't remember what the President's doing wrong there, or if you can't remember what agency you're a hankerin' to close down, then you're just faking someone else's opinions and even the latest mnemonic technology doesn't fix that.

And if you don't know how many states are in the Union your a ? But get that asthmatic kid a breath-a-liser... jeez.. take your blinders off you might enjoy seeing the world as it really is. "Come on Joe stand up!", "Oh jeez, everyone else stand up for Joe!"

[trish]

Oh, so you're telling me Cain really had his finger on current policy in Libya but just misspoke? Or that Perry was so outraged with the Department of Energy that it's name slipped his mind for nearly a minute of air time. Or that Bachmann's belief that homosexuality is a disease that her husband can cure is just a temporary misalignment of reality with her brain. Or that only the Mormon GOPers seem to believe that Earth's modern flora and fauna are a result of several hundred millions years of evolution, the rest think Earth is what, 6000 years old? That's all right. You just keep telling yourself that these demonstrations of dimwittedness are just excusable gaffs and are not indicators of the GOP presidential candidates' inability to make responsible policy decisions.

[Silcc69]

I think we have established that Bachman is a loon show I can give her a pass. Cain screwing up on Libya simply magnified his limited knowledge on foreign affairs. Perry IDK how he fucked up on something that was suppose to be personal to him. But i'm tired of this nuthouse just give Romney the nomination and call it a day.

[Faldur]

I think we have established that Bachman is a loon show I can give her a pass. Cain screwing up on Libya simply magnified his limited knowledge on foreign affairs. Perry IDK how he fucked up on something that was suppose to be personal to him. But i'm tired of this nuthouse just give Romney the nomination and call it a day.

Hold on now, there are still 357.5 debates before January. Its still anyones game.

[arnie666]

Why is the sex offender 'making a funny' given any oxygen on this forum ?He just recently dribbled on public radio about his fantasy of sarah palin having her guts pushed into her brain and how a Black man with a large penis needs to be ripping her.

He was a overated boxer,could have been great if his mind was right ,foreman would have killed him, so would ali and even frazier. and is now being roped in by the liberal elite to trash women and now a man as impressive as Herman Cain.Being used he is by the liberal establishment, like a puppet. They couldn't darken up a white comedian because that would show them up for the racists they are so they use a Black man.Tyson is ideal as he too fucking stupid to realise what is going on because what little bit of his brain has been punched out.

If you read what Cain has achieved it is no wonder they don't want him going up against the community organiser in chief.It is like the alpha male vs the beta male. They would love romney or even better gingrich to go up against Obama, they want a tradtional stereotype of white privillege going up against Obama.Not someone like Cain.

I don't even think Cain would be a good president, I just know unfairness when I see it.I also as a racist myself can sniff out racism.And the media coverage on Cain, I can smell something real bad. There are cynical liberal lefties out there in powerful positions who will lower themselves to baser racist instincts to destroy any threat to the annointed one.

[Ben]

Maybe ole Herman should have brought a teleprompter with him. Perry, he could of used a remote defibrillator. Both made for some serious laughs, but you got to be kidding me if you think the president of 58 states brings more to the table? Really?

Ron Paul could never get the conservative vote, He has some excellent ideas. But as many that are pretty looney. I could never vote for him. Maybe a younger, version... Rand.. :)

Quoting at fair length from a Glenn Greenwald article:

Who are the real “crazies” in our political culture? (http://www.salon.com/2010/05/28/crazy_10/singleton)

By Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/)

http://media.salon.com/2010/05/who_are_the_real-460x307.jpg

One of the favorite self-affirming pastimes of establishment Democratic and Republican pundits is to mock anyone and everyone outside of the two-party mainstream as crazy, sick lunatics. That serves to bolster the two political parties as the sole arbiters of what is acceptable: anyone who meaningfully deviates from their orthodoxies are, by definition, fringe, crazy losers. Ron Paul is one of those most frequently smeared in that fashion, and even someone like Howard Dean, during those times when he stepped outside of mainstream orthodoxy, was similarly smeared as literally insane (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/04/26/charles-krauthammer-the-perils-of-pundit-psychiatry/), and still is (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/12/has_howard_dean_lost_his_mind.html).
Last night, the crazy, hateful, fringe lunatic Ron Paul voted to repeal the Clinton-era Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy (or, more accurately, he voted to allow the Pentagon to repeal it if and when it chooses to (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=59356)) – while 26 normal, sane, upstanding, mainstream House Democrats voted to retain that bigoted policy (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100528/ap_on_el_ho/us_rollcall_gays_military_1). Paul explained today that he changed his mind on DADT (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/ron_paul_constituents_changed.html) because gay constituents of his who were forced out of the military convinced him of the policy’s wrongness — how insane and evil he is!
In 2003, the crank lunatic-monster Ron Paul vehemently opposed the invasion of Iraq (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml), while countless sane, normal, upstanding, good-hearted Democrats — including the current Vice President (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237), Secretary of State (http://earthhopenetwork.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=147), Secretary of Defense, Senate Majority Leader, House Majority Leader, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, and many of the progressive (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/11/the-trouble-with-extremists/46901/) pundits (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_11/012452.php) who love to scorn Ron Paul as insane — supported (http://yglesias.blogspot.com/2002_05_26_archive.html#77102836) the monstrous attack (http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2003_02/000496.php) on that country.
In 2008, the sicko Ron Paul opposed (http://libertymaven.com/2008/06/25/ron-paul-denounces-the-new-fisa-bill/1207/) the legalization of Bush’s warrantless eavesdropping program and the granting of retroactive immunity to lawbreaking telecoms, while the Democratic (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00168) Congress (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml) — led by the current U.S. President, his Chief of Staff, the Senate Majority Leader, the Speaker of the House, and the House Majority Leader — overwhelmingly voted it into law. Paul, who apparently belongs in a mental hospital, vehemently condemned America’s use of torture from the start (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2004/tst061404.htm), while many leading Democrats were silent (or even supportive (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html)), and mainstream, sane Progressive Newsweek and MSNBC pundit Jonathan Alter was explicitly calling for its use (http://www.newsweek.com/2001/11/04/time-to-think-about-torture.html). Compare Paul's emphatic condemnation of America’s denial of habeas corpus, lawless detentions and presidential assassinations of U.S. citizens to what the current U.S. Government is doing (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/05/hbc-90007124).
The crazed monster Ron Paul also opposes the war in Afghanistan (http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-11-18/ron-paul-end-the-war-in-afghanistan/), while the Democratic Congress continues to fund (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/98305-dems-prepare-to-pass-war-spending-measure-without-gop-support) it and even to reject timetables for withdrawal (http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=29151). Paul is an outspoken opponent of the nation’s insane, devastating and oppressive “drug war” (http://www.counterpunch.org/paul1.html) — that imprisons hundreds of thousands of Americans with a vastly disparate racial impact and continuously incinerates both billions of dollars and an array of basic liberties — while virtually no Democrat dares speak against it. Paul crusades against limitless corporate control of government and extreme Federal Reserve secrecy, while the current administration works to preserve it. He was warning of the collapsing dollar (http://www.nysun.com/editorials/ron-pauls-prescience/66303/) and housing bubble (http://ezinearticles.com/?Ron-Paul-Predicts-a-Collapse-of-the-Housing-Market&id=727686) at a time when our Nation’s Bipartisan Cast of Geniuses were oblivious. In sum, behold the embodiment of clinical, certifiable insanity: anti-DADT, anti-Iraq-war, anti-illegal-domestic-surveillance, anti-drug-war, anti-secrecy, anti-corporatism, anti-telecom-immunity, anti-war-in-Afghanistan.

[Ben]

I'm not here to sing the praises of Ron Paul. I think he has some good qualities. And is principled.
He hasn't fallen prey to the corrosive nature of Washington, as it were.

[trish]

Yeah, just read what Cain has achieved. He was the CEO of the Godfather franchise, which btw has a derivative name and makes the worst pizza in the world. Then he became a lobbyist for the National Restaurant Association. The association had to clean up a trail of complaints and threatened lawsuits accusing Cain of inappropriate behavior. Then we became a motivational speaker (though I'm given to understand he never lived in a van down by the river) and a radio talk show jockey whose rants and tirades rival those of the looniest conservative jocks. Add to that he can't answer any questions on the economy without letting Newt answer first (to feel out the meaning of the questions and gain time to scurry for an answer), nor can he answer questions about Libya or Ubeki beki beki stan stan. Why wouldn't you want a guy like that for president?

[Faldur]

Yeah, just read what Cain has achieved.

Ok, I will give you the pizza sucks. But objectively they guy has a pretty impressive resume.

Bachelor's degree in Mathematics, Master's degree in Computer Science, Mathematician for the Navy (specializing in missile ballistics), Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola, VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury. All of this achieved before reaching the age of 35.

Took charge of Pillsbury's 400 Burger King restaurants in Philadelphia, (the company's worst performers in the country). In 3 years turned the franchise to the country's top earners. (Spent the first 9 months learning the business, cooked burgers, cleaned everything from the kitchen to the toilets).

Took position of CEO at Godfather's Pizza as the company was on the verge of bankruptcy. Had the organization turning a profit in 14 months. 1988 organized the buyout of Godfather's from Pillsbury.

Chaired the National Restaurant Association, molested 17 little boys, 4 dogs and 11 women.

Adviser and then Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve bank.

Author of 4 books, and hosted his own radio talk show in 2007.

All of this from a guy who's father was a chauffeur and mother was a maid.

Match his accomplishments against your own and you got to agree the dude has lived a life. And by no means is an idiot. I know my feeble accomplishments can't hold a candle to all of that.

And match it up to our current President, (you know the one in Asia, aka Hawaii), and see how poorly obummer compares.

[trish]

Bachelor's degree in Mathematics, Master's degree in Computer Science, Mathematician for the Navy (specializing in missile ballistics), Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola,...He certainly doesn't think like a mathematician. I can't speak for the computer scientists out there, does he strike anyone as thinking like a computer scientist? Meticulous attention to detail, perhaps?


VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury...Took position of CEO at Godfather's Pizza as the company was on the verge of bankruptcy. Had the organization turning a profit in 14 months. 1988 organized the buyout of Godfather's from Pillsbury.

Chaired the National Restaurant Association, molested 17 little boys, 4 dogs and 11 women.

Adviser and then Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve bank. But has he ever had a real job where he actually produced a product with his hands? On second thought, maybe he should keep his hands to himself.


Author of 4 booksWait a sec. He had four books published under his name. Did he really author them?


Match his accomplishments against your ownSo far I'm doing pretty well by comparison, but I'm still in my thirties, and my father was a welder and my mother a seamstress (If that counts for anything?). How are you doing? Our current President is leader of the free world. Can't do any better than that!

[onmyknees]

I wish you lefties would just ask someone in the know about the Republican candidates....( albeit I'm not a Republican) you could save yourself so much time to concentrate on other matters like OWS.
Had you asked me, I could have told you that neither Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Pawlenty, Paul, Santorum, Huntsman, or Newt would be the nominee.
Cain is the epitome of the American Dream, but does not have the gravitas to be President. Had you all been this honest and forthcoming with yourselves 4 years ago, Hillary would be the President now.

[Ben]

I wish you lefties would just ask someone in the know about the Republican candidates....( albeit I'm not a Republican) you could save yourself so much time to concentrate on other matters like OWS.
Had you asked me, I could have told you that neither Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Pawlenty, Paul, Santorum, Huntsman, or Newt would be the nominee.
Cain is the epitome of the American Dream, but does not have the gravitas to be President. Had you all been this honest and forthcoming with yourselves 4 years ago, Hillary would be the President now.

OMK, so-called lefties don't like either the Dems or the Republicans. (Left-leaning liberals may like, say, Dwight Eisenhower.) Why would they? (Lefties favor more and more democracy. Deep democracy. Meaningful democracy. Whereas righties, or so-called classic conservatives, who follow the teachings of Edmund Burke, have a deep fear of democracy. They don't trust it. Because they think the "rabble" is inherently evil and irrational and need to be controlled. Control is crucial. And the controllers should be the smart and responsible men. Men like Michael Bloomberg and Bill Clinton and Lloyd Blankfein.
The ongoing debate is whether or not [meaningful] democracy is part of human nature. And there is a profound difference between elections and democracy.)
The Dems are not a political party that represent and serve left-leaning interests. Why would they be? And: how could they be? When big money rules the roost in ol' Washington. Because they serve corporate power. And corporations are inordinately right-leaning. And they have to be. It's rational.
Politicians, on both sides of the so-called aisle, serve very myopic and narrow interests. We all know how the game works, how the game is played, how the game is rigged.
Just a mini addendum: Americans have been inculcated to think that wealth inequality is a good thing.
And here's ol' George Carlin to explicate it even further:

George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q)

[onmyknees]

Ben....the singular point worth commenting on from your post was this........


"Whereas righties, or so-called classic conservatives, who follow the teachings of Edmund Burke, have a deep fear of democracy. They don't trust it. Because they think the "rabble" is inherently evil and irrational and need to be controlled. Control is crucial. "

You couldn't be more innacurate, with all due respect.
I don't spend any time reading Burke, but rather de Tocqueville, William F. Buckley, and Reagan. Conservatives do not have a deep fear of democracy, but rather of politicians, expansive central government bureaucracies and government over reach. If you have to chose one thinker to get the deepest understanding of the modern conservative movement ....chose Buckley. It will help sharpen your convoluted definition of conservatives. You speak of wise men named Bloomberg and Clinton....conservatives speak of Jefferson, Madison and the framers and the original intent of the founding documents.

[Stavros]

I have to agree with onmyknees re Burke -he represents the English conservative in the purest sense, because what he wanted to conserve was an England stratified by class where he assumed as part of nature that the ruling class were born to rule and the labouring classes to labour -the American Revolution rejected monarchy and class as known in the UK, and de Tocqueville (barely read these days) must be a seminal observer and theorist of democracy -the issue in the USA is diametrically opposed to the European experience where the State has always been more central to policy and political life than the USA, which is after all, 50 states with their own character. Even more pertinent to the USA today, is the view that Buckley would be considered a liberal on so many issues by the Tea Party brigades, that he would be a RINO. I wonder how he would respond to that.