What age do you think is appropiate to Transition?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I am thrilled to see some transitioning as young as six..do you feel this is acceptable?

Do you feel it should be 18? Younger - Older?

What age do you feel is appropiate...

Curious...

[kittyKaiti]

I think that if a child of any age is having transgender thoughts and feelings that the child should be allowed to see a psychologist or gender specialist. I believe that pressuring a transgender or even gay/lesbian child to be what they aren't is damaging to their development. Now whether there are physical dangers of providing children hormonal medications or surgeries, that may be a different issue but they should be able to express themselves.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think that if a child of any age is having transgender thoughts and feelings that the child should be allowed to see a psychologist or gender specialist. I believe that pressuring a transgender or even gay/lesbian child to be what they aren't is damaging to their development. Now whether there are physical dangers of providing children hormonal medications or surgeries, that may be a different issue but they should be able to express themselves.
I thoroughly agree with you :)

[BellaBellucci]

It depends on the child. That's the whole point of using hormone blockers to forestall puberty. :geek:

Good parenting involves actually knowing your child. Choosing an arbitrary age is just being lazy.

~BB~

[Silcc69]

Asap

[Tepres]

Some 6 month old male babies make girly gurgling sounds. This is a clear indication of GID and hormonal therapy should be commenced immediately.

[muh_muh]

I think that if a child of any age is having transgender thoughts and feelings that the child should be allowed to see a psychologist or gender specialist. I believe that pressuring a transgender or even gay/lesbian child to be what they aren't is damaging to their development. Now whether there are physical dangers of providing children hormonal medications or surgeries, that may be a different issue but they should be able to express themselves.

^ that

[MrsKellyPierce]

Some 6 month old male babies make girly gurgling sounds. This is a clear indication of GID and hormonal therapy should be commenced immediately.
thanks for the smart remark lol

[FreddieGomez]

well from what ive seen the younger the better. some trannies who start too old look like...well...men... no matter how hard they try not to.

[onmyknees]

thanks for the smart remark lol

I realize it was a serious question Kelly, but that was pretty funny. I don't think think the dude meant anything hurtful...

Anyway...you all deal with these issues as a fact of life, so I'll just shut up and read the responses, but Kitty's response seemed to be spot on.

[Merkurie]

I think that if a child of any age is having transgender thoughts and feelings that the child should be allowed to see a psychologist or gender specialist. I believe that pressuring a transgender or even gay/lesbian child to be what they aren't is damaging to their development. Now whether there are physical dangers of providing children hormonal medications or surgeries, that may be a different issue but they should be able to express themselves.

I agree 100%

I also think kids should be able to transition gender roles when they enter high school if they wish. They should also have the right to request to delay puberty, if the law or parents will not allow hormone treatment, until they are legally old enough to choose HRT for themselves.

[ed_jaxon]

There are a couple of babes on here who transitioned late who are very close to unclockable. Depends on the girl.

[kittyKaiti]

I agree 100%

I also think kids should be able to transition gender roles when they enter high school if they wish. They should also have the right to request to delay puberty, if the law or parents will not allow hormone treatment, until they are legally old enough to choose HRT for themselves.

I agree with that also. Alot of parents are just as stupid as kids sometimes. Parents who refuse to allow their children to transition, even after confirmation of GID and transsexualism from a psychologist, can cause problems. Religious based persecution of trans children from parents like I faced from my mother can cause emotional trauma. This plus bullying in schools can lead to suicidal behavior.

[tsadriana]

I agree with that also. Alot of parents are just as stupid as kids sometimes. Parents who refuse to allow their children to transition, even after confirmation of GID and transsexualism from a psychologist, can cause problems. Religious based persecution of trans children from parents like I faced from my mother can cause emotional trauma. This plus bullying in schools can lead to suicidal behavior..
I agrred with that to.:iagree:

[onmyknees]

I agree with that also. Alot of parents are just as stupid as kids sometimes. Parents who refuse to allow their children to transition, even after confirmation of GID and transsexualism from a psychologist, can cause problems. Religious based persecution of trans children from parents like I faced from my mother can cause emotional trauma. This plus bullying in schools can lead to suicidal behavior.

I don't disagree with that, but "stupid" may not be the ideal word here to describe parents...notwithstanding your personal situation. Parenting is the most difficult job any adult will ever have, and most are completely ignorant of transsexualism ( uneducated might be a better word) ....or most of the ones I know. They're dealing with issues like drugs, alcohol, pier pressure, school grades, a corrosive pop culture, teen pregnancy, and all this while it's more than likely both of them are working long hours to pay the mortgage and save a few bucks for an I phone for their little darlings. I wish there was more resources or education out there for parents who are experiencing some of the issues you describe . I do see that strides have been made in terms of dealing with Johnny when he tells his parents he's gay....but information and education on gender issues seem harder to come by...but I could be wrong.

[BellaBellucci]

If you actually have children, please raise your hand. *raises hand*

I don't care how hard you work, the most important parenting skill is still understanding. If you decide to have children without it, then Kaiti is right, you're pretty stupid. In fact, I'd go as far as calling you a fucking retard. :geek:

I have no tolerance for closed-minded people, particularly those who show indifference or intolerance to their children.

~BB~

[justafreak]

before puberty does its damage

[Merkurie]

I can 't speculate on Katti's situation, but from my experience if a kid is "queer" in a traditionally religious household or community, they have got a big problem.

Much of the personality issues, substance abuse and suicide that are seen in the LGBT community is rooted in fundamentalist parenting. Being rejected by your parents at a young age is a bitch, especially when a kids gender or sexual awareness changes a once warm environment into a piece of hell.

That is not what Jesus would want, but some parents turn on their kids in the most cruel of ways.

[robertlouis]

well from what ive seen the younger the better. some trannies who start too old look like...well...men... no matter how hard they try not to.

Freddie, just for once, this is about children and how they feel, not about how someone will look when they transition and how you'll then be able to assess their passability or otherwise.

One day you'll finally grow up. *smh*

[BellaBellucci]

Freddie, just for once, this is about children and how they feel, not about how someone will look when they transition and how you'll then be able to assess their passability or otherwise.

One day you'll finally grow up. *smh*

Actually, he has a point. The 'passability' factor is an important aspect of their future quality of life that a transperson needs to consider. :geek:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

If you actually have children, please raise your hand. *raises hand*

I don't care how hard you work, the most important parenting skill is still understanding. If you decide to have children without it, then Kaiti is right, you're pretty stupid. In fact, I'd go as far as calling you a fucking retard. :geek:

I have no tolerance for closed-minded people, particularly those who show indifference or intolerance to their children.

~BB~

It occurs to me you'e the close minded one on this. You're capable of finding a more apropriate word other than "stupid" and retarted to describe a profoundly complex situation...

[tsadriana]

Freddie, just for once, this is about children and how they feel, not about how someone will look when they transition and how you'll then be able to assess their passability or otherwise.

One day you'll finally grow up. *smh*
Dons`t matter the look from outside well a bit ,but the most im portant thing is how u feel inside .u can have the look as a woman but act like a proper man or u can have an masculine look but a feminine side .so i think men knows lees than tgirls and we have to understand them.

[robertlouis]

Actually, he has a point. The 'passability' factor is an important aspect of their future quality of life that a transperson needs to consider. :geek:

~BB~

I agree, up to a point. Even Freddie can hit on something from time to time, even if it's entirely by accident.

Come on Bella, we both know that wasn't where he was coming from.

[Debra]

The mind of a child is not developed enough to gather a clear understanding of their feeling about gender. A shrink can not develop their minds beyond the speed of nature. And drugs are not the answer for kids. Let them just grow up as what they are. When their mind begins to understand sexuality, they will make up their own minds on who and what they are.

If a child has mixed feelings and does not understand them, they must first grow old enough to develop the understanding of sexuality and gender. THEN and only then, can they be capable of deciding their gender path. Kids are a sponge absorbing everything they hear. That doesn't mean they understand any of it. This could confuse them at the learning age, and ruin their ability to understand later in life.

We don't give kids enough credit to learn on their own and make decisions. At least let them grow to puberty before trying to explain their life options.

[livepersona]

This is such a slippery slope. I have no knowledge of what it's like to grow up with something like this. In my opinion the age should be 18 if your talking about anything hormonal, drugs, etc.

If something is true, you will never stop it. It will eventually come into manifestation. You can change a lot in a few years. 18 is still young enough to become whoever you want to be.

[livepersona]

The mind of a child is not developed enough to gather a clear understanding of their feeling about gender. A shrink can not develop their minds beyond the speed of nature. And drugs are not the answer for kids. Let them just grow up as what they are. When their mind begins to understand sexuality, they will make up their own minds on who and what they are.

If a child has mixed feelings and does not understand them, they must first grow old enough to develop the understanding of sexuality and gender. THEN and only then, can they be capable of deciding their gender path. Kids are a sponge absorbing everything they hear. That doesn't mean they understand any of it. This could confuse them at the learning age, and ruin their ability to understand later in life.

We don't give kids enough credit to learn on their own and make decisions. At least let them grow to puberty before trying to explain their life options.

Very well said. :)

[Merkurie]

Ideally a child would develop their gender identity and sexuality as they grow, and follow the path that is comfortable for them at the appropriate time -- which is different for everyone.

But this is not what happens in general. Kids are given signals, sometimes very direct signals, that what they are doing or who they are is not OK. Then people start to try and change them, leading to a whole lot of problems.

Ideally, a kid would not have to "transition" from one gender to another, just follow their own path and express themselves as they are without interference.

[BellaBellucci]

It occurs to me you'e the close minded one on this. You're capable of finding a more apropriate word other than "stupid" and retarted to describe a profoundly complex situation...

There's nothing complicated about it. A parent supports their child. Period.

Do you have kids?

~BB~

[EvonRose]

We cannot say for sure what age is right or not, If a child strongly chooses to transition let them, find options and back up plans. I think if a child at 6 is thinking about transitioning i do believe its there as oppose to a PHASE... We dont give children enough credit and parents tend to choose things best for them as oppose to what is best for the child...

[robertlouis]

This is the kind of issue for which there is not, and never should be, a single prescriptive answer, as each case, in an enlightened environment, would have to be treated on its individual merits and processed accordingly.

Unfortunately society is a long, long way from accepting this, especially in giving a child's wishes precedence. But both within HA and in my own social contacts I've heard girls born boys who have said that they knew when they were three or four that they were female, and also at least one horrific personal story where religious dogma literally forced physical torture on one person of my acquaintance. This was in Ireland, where yet another form of child abuse would have gone unnoticed anyway.

It's a tough one, and it requires non-religious and enlightened parenting, supported by equally objective psychological support.

How long till the right environment exists? Decades, probably longer, sadly.

[StlyeMeCunty]

Hmmmm, I just say when ever you are ready mentally then go for it!

[SirCumsAlot]

why are your fonts so big???

[justafreak]

Video: Little Boy Wants To Be A Girl Scout But Gets Rejected & Now His Mother Is Fighting To Get Him Dressed As A Girl! (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH9xtRDgM40iy4sr7)

[BellaBellucci]

Video: Little Boy Wants To Be A Girl Scout But Gets Rejected & Now His Mother Is Fighting To Get Him Dressed As A Girl! (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH9xtRDgM40iy4sr7)

Why the fuck is this on WSHH? How could anyone use an innocent child as a pinata like that? Shameful.

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~BB~

[thenatural1989]

I saw that video earlier too. That kid, apparel aside, has the facial characteristics of a girl. The mom is wrong for enabling the kid though to dress like a girl. I know that it's wrong, but that child is going to have a horrible time in school. It's only going to get worse for him as he progresses through school. Bottom line is that kids that young don't filter what they think before they say it. I feel really bad for the kid and what he's probably about to go through growing up.

[BellaBellucci]

I saw that video earlier too. That kid, apparel aside, has the facial characteristics of a girl. The mom is wrong for enabling the kid though to dress like a girl. I know that it's wrong, but that child is going to have a horrible time in school. It's only going to get worse for him as he progresses through school. Bottom line is that kids that young don't filter what they think before they say it. I feel really bad for the kid and what he's probably about to go through growing up.

Hey new guy. You're already on my radar.

http://wtfcontent.com/img/130200977161.jpg

~BB~

[thenatural1989]

Why am I on your radar?

[kittyKaiti]

I saw that video earlier too. That kid, apparel aside, has the facial characteristics of a girl. The mom is wrong for enabling the kid though to dress like a girl. I know that it's wrong, but that child is going to have a horrible time in school. It's only going to get worse for him as he progresses through school. Bottom line is that kids that young don't filter what they think before they say it. I feel really bad for the kid and what he's probably about to go through growing up.

First of all, don't call that little girl a "he".

Secondly, I would teach my kids self defense methods including martial arts. I dealt with bullying when I was that age and all through school. The best way for a kid to deal with bullies is violent force.

[BellaBellucci]

Why am I on your radar?

Sorry. To be more specific, you set off my 'trolldar,' which is why I'm not going to waste my time answering that question.

Watch where you shit.

~BB~

[thenatural1989]

Wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just stating what would have been the case when I was around that kid's age.

[thenatural1989]

Hey new guy. You're already on my radar.

http://wtfcontent.com/img/130200977161.jpg

~BB~

I'm not a "troll", but i'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion. This is a forum and everyone is allowed to have one.

[GrimFusion]

I'm probably not going to win any popularity votes here, but I'd say without special consideration, 10 years old or older is acceptable. A child under the age of 10 wouldn't have the same valid qualms about feeling uncomfortable about their birth sex because younger children all look the same. Their only valid gripes would include their clothes, the way they're perceived and treated by their peers (which would be limited at that age), and their genitalia; the latter being somewhat invalid, as children that age are still playing "self-discovery".

I left out special consideration because the obvious is simply obvious. If it's clear a child is gender dysphoric and has been for the last three years with no sign of falter, as a parent you need to deal with that whether the kid is six or 19. Ignoring it because they're too young is neglectful.

I'm sure the depression and social awkwardness that accompanies transgendered youth blows. It's not like I can feel sympathetic, though. Empathetic, maybe. I had a friend who went through that in high school and it really fucked with her head something fierce. Some of that is necessary, though. As a parent, you can't let your child do something that permanent without being absolutely sure, and let's face it; misplaced homophobia and parenting preference don't help the situation. Most parents just end up in denial for years.

When I first read the topic and a few of the replies, I have to admit I was a little appalled. While I agree that transition isn't something you just pick up as a hobby and decide to drop sometime down the road, there are exceptions to every normality. As American's, it's our civic duty to reflect on the minority and completely blow small situations out of proportion. As homage to that, some parents seemingly compare gender transition to face tattoos. I just don't think six-year-old's should be legally allowed puberty suppressing hormones for the same reason that nine-year-old's shouldn't. They aren't going through puberty yet.

[BellaBellucci]

Wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just stating what would have been the case when I was around that kid's age.

That was then. This is now. The schools are responsible for protecting everyone's physical person and right to free expression. All you do by forcing this child to conform is tell them that they're less important than everyone else because their expression isn't 'valid.' Also, that it's more important to conform than to stand strong by your principles.

If you're really from Texas, you should understand that, even if you don't agree that it's what's best for the child. But you know what? That's not your call. That decision goes to the parents who are just as adversely affected by standing by their child, but do so nonetheless. They're not going to let society raise their kid.

And that's what I call parenting. :geek:


I'm not a "troll", but i'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion. This is a forum and everyone is allowed to have one.

Part of the definition of being a troll is denying being a troll, but time will tell. Calling yourself 'Cool New Guy' is pretty telling of your douchieness. I give you a week here.

~BB~

[thenatural1989]

You don't even know me, yet you call me a douche? You seem like an intelligent person, but comments like, "Part of the definition of being a troll is denying being a troll, but time will tell. Calling yourself 'Cool New Guy' is pretty telling of your douchieness. I give you a week here" would suggest otherwise.

Btw, I don't disagree with your points (other than the above). You say "that was then, this is now", but it's not like it was THAT long ago that I was in gradeschool. The times haven't changed as much as you say.

[BellaBellucci]

The times haven't changed as much as you say.

When I went to school, it was unheard of to sue one. People do it all the time now for just this sort of thing, bullying, etc. As to the rest of your post, I just don't like your swagger. Like I said, I got my eye on you. Go ahead and please prove me wrong. :geek:

~BB~

[Merkurie]

This Girl Scout case is just what i am talking about.
Would it be so bad if Bobbie joined the GS? What horrible thing would result from that? Nothing.
Bobbie is already feeling hurt over how people react to her, but there is nothing wrong with this kid. It is how some people cant deal with facts. Every person born male is NOT a "Young Man".

I applaud the mother, she accepts her kid as the girl she is. I am sure she has to fight her own battle against all of the others who would have her change her child into someone else.