Lurkers are such losers

[Debra]

What the hell is it with all of the lurkers on this site? I have only been here for a week, and I have received over 70 PM's from guys who want to do everything to me. They assume that because I am a TS and have an avatar that shows a little of my ass, that I want to fuck them silly.

All but a few of them have never made any post in the threads. They just lurk the site stalking newbie TS in PM's. Here are a few of the typical requests.
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Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
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I don't mind teasing and PM'ing with the regular posters in the open forums. We know it's all in fun, and no offense is taken. But these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off. I guess you girls get the same shit. I just think it is ignorant. OK I'm off my soapbox now.

[AmyDaly]

Well it is a porn forum after all

[Silcc69]

You do bring up a good point I always thought the girls get a lot of messages but never from just lurkers.

[BluegrassCat]

Daaamn, Amy. That new avatar is amazing. & for the record I want to tickle both of you ladies' tonsils.

[SirCumsAlot]

yeah what do u suspect coming to a porn forum? Most dudes probably gonna be horny or have sex on the mind if on here. This aint facebook or yahoo messenger

By the way, can i face fuck u until your mouth gets gooey?

[robertlouis]

yeah what do u suspect coming to a porn forum? Most dudes probably gonna be horny or have sex on the mind if on here. This aint facebook or yahoo messenger

By the way, can i face fuck u until your mouth gets gooey?

Maybe

But if these guys think they're going to succeed with such crass messages, they're even more stupid than their posts. And the implication with every one is that somehow they are doing the girl a favour...

Jeezus.

[jigglyGmoney]

What the hell is it with all of the lurkers on this site? I have only been here for a week, and I have received over 70 PM's from guys who want to do everything to me. They assume that because I am a TS and have an avatar that shows a little of my ass, that I want to fuck them silly.

All but a few of them have never made any post in the threads. They just lurk the site stalking newbie TS in PM's. Here are a few of the typical requests.
---------------------------------------
Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
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I don't mind teasing and PM'ing with the regular posters in the open forums. We know it's all in fun, and no offense is taken. But these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off. I guess you girls get the same shit. I just think it is ignorant. OK I'm off my soapbox now.

Keep in mind Debra that a lot of these clowns are just discovering tgirls for the first time. They'll post some disgusting smut in your inbox, jack off to your pic, then tomorrow they'll create another "Am I Gay" thread. LOL This is what a lot of them do. All they know is when they see a pic of a tgirl, their dick gets hard. But as to why, they'll spend years trying to figure that out. Some never do, and they'll continue to play mind fuck games with the girls, cause they're already fucked in the head. I'm Not defending them. I really dont like them cause they fuck it up for a lot of mature men like myself whose comfortable in his sexuality. But, years ago I was like them. The Freddie Gomez's of the world. We all start out that way.

[scroller]

Is that what most people use the PM for? Dang, I did not know that. Gotta start making up for lost time...

[dderek123]

Keep in mind Debra that a lot of these clowns are just discovering tgirls for the first time. They'll post some disgusting smut in your inbox, jack off to your pic, then tomorrow they'll create another "Am I Gay" thread. LOL This is what a lot of them do. All they know is when they see a pic of a tgirl, their dick gets hard. But as to why, they'll spend years trying to figure that out. Some never do, and they'll continue to play mind fuck games with the girls, cause they're already fucked in the head. I'm Not defending them. I really dont like them cause they fuck it up for a lot of mature men like myself whose comfortable in his sexuality. But, years ago I was like them. The Freddie Gomez's of the world. We all start out that way.

This 1000 times. Well said JigglyGmoney.

[BluegrassCat]

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.


Are you saying that offering to gangbang a girl to death is NOT a good pickup line? Didn't Gregory Peck use it in Roman Holiday?

[muh_muh]

well on a more positive note... it could be a lot worse
imagine what this forum would be like if these idiots posted regularly

[doctor screw]

lol.................

[Nicole Dupre]

I delete 90% of my PMs after I read about 10 words. It's not like I have anything against them. I just don't really give a shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hot, you want to suck my cock, and for me to fuck your ass, blah blah blah. Same messages, different names. lol I know who I like here, and who I don't, mostly by what they post. Some people are awesome, some deserve to die slow deaths, but most are just goofballs, somewhere in between. It's like the threads; I honestly don't even read 80% of them. i mean, who gives a shit? lol I never look at the party posts or site updates. I don't even watch tranny porn. I like straight porn, and just looking at hot boys. I dig Aussiebum vids. lol And seriously, more than half the girls here, who I'm familiar with, I find to be either annoying or boring or hideous or treacherous or whatever. lol I guess what I'm saying is, the lurkers are pretty meaningless to me. They're mostly harmless imo... mostly.

[jigglyGmoney]

This 1000 times. Well said JigglyGmoney.

LOL Hey dderek, I went to a tgirl party at Club Secret in NY over the summer. I'm there and I met this hott tgirl. So I'm enjoying her company and this dude is sitting next to me with another girl. At some point they both went to the bathroom. He looks at me with this confused look in his eyes. I said how's it going bro. He then immedeately launches into a bunch of questions about tgirls and why he's there. LOL I told him, dude, kick back and relax. Enjoy her and yourself. If you cant do that, then maybe you shouldnt be here. I bet he probably posts on this forum. LOL

[SirCumsAlot]

I don't even watch tranny porn

u missing out. I developed a deadly handshake grip from masturbating off of mylena bysmark and dany de castro videos

[Debra]

I delete 90% of my PMs after I read about 10 words. It's not like I have anything against them. I just don't really give a shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hot, you want to suck my cock, and for me to fuck your ass, blah blah blah. Same messages, different names. lol I know who I like here, and who I don't, mostly by what they post. Some people are awesome, some deserve to die slow deaths, but most are just goofballs, somewhere in between. It's like the threads; I honestly don't even read 80% of them. i mean, who gives a shit? lol I never look at the party posts or site updates. I don't even watch tranny porn. I like straight porn, and just looking at hot boys. I dig Aussiebum vids. lol And seriously, more than half the girls here, who I'm familiar with, I find to be either annoying or boring or hideous or treacherous or whatever. lol I guess what I'm saying is, the lurkers are pretty meaningless to me. They're mostly harmless imo... mostly.

Yeah that makes sense. Sounds like a good policy to adopt. But ya gotta admit, it is pretty fucked up how some guys think they are cool by doing that shit. Oh well.

[Nicole Dupre]

Yeah that makes sense. Sounds like a good policy to adopt. But ya gotta admit, it is pretty fucked up how some guys think they are cool by doing that shit. Oh well.
Read my PM, mama. ;)

[SirCumsAlot]

Yeah that makes sense. Sounds like a good policy to adopt. But ya gotta admit, it is pretty fucked up how some guys think they are cool by doing that shit. Oh well.

u do got a nice booty though in that profile pic :jerkoff
U dont want pple coming at u maybe try changing ur pic to something a little less seductive???

[buckjohnson]

I am not sure why folks are not more respectful. I know I am always nice and never pm anyone

[justafreak]

yes they are

[BigDF]

Damn, of all the stupid shit I've read on here, this really sucks. These guys sending this shit to Debra need to be rooted out of here like weeds in a garden! :mad:

[Gillian]

Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.

And those are robertlouis' suggestions ... :D

[robertlouis]

And those are robertlouis' suggestions ... :D

Bitch! :)

Prob'ly a Celtic fan onyweys. ;)

[slingblade]

What the hell is it with all of the lurkers on this site? I have only been here for a week, and I have received over 70 PM's from guys who want to do everything to me. They assume that because I am a TS and have an avatar that shows a little of my ass, that I want to fuck them silly.

All but a few of them have never made any post in the threads. They just lurk the site stalking newbie TS in PM's. Here are a few of the typical requests.
---------------------------------------
Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
---------------------------------------

I don't mind teasing and PM'ing with the regular posters in the open forums. We know it's all in fun, and no offense is taken. But these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off. I guess you girls get the same shit. I just think it is ignorant. OK I'm off my soapbox now.

You said it best these guys are nothing but losers and have no game at all and I bet most of them want you to fuck them not the other way around!!

[tsadriana]

What the hell is it with all of the lurkers on this site? I have only been here for a week, and I have received over 70 PM's from guys who want to do everything to me. They assume that because I am a TS and have an avatar that shows a little of my ass, that I want to fuck them silly.

All but a few of them have never made any post in the threads. They just lurk the site stalking newbie TS in PM's. Here are a few of the typical requests.
---------------------------------------
Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
---------------------------------------

I don't mind teasing and PM'ing with the regular posters in the open forums. We know it's all in fun, and no offense is taken. But these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off. I guess you girls get the same shit. I just think it is ignorant. OK I'm off my soapbox now.
Sweetheart guys always will hunt the newbies in here.they try they luck and as u said if they see u naked on pics is only one meaning for them:"come and fuck me" .get use to it as always will be like that:)

[Kari]

Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
Erm.......... These were some of my best lines !!!! :tongue:

[tsadriana]

Erm.......... These were some of my best lines !!!! :tongue:
hahahah nice one:praying::iagree:

[bte]

What the hell is it with all of the lurkers on this site? I have only been here for a week, and I have received over 70 PM's from guys who want to do everything to me. They assume that because I am a TS and have an avatar that shows a little of my ass, that I want to fuck them silly.

All but a few of them have never made any post in the threads. They just lurk the site stalking newbie TS in PM's. Here are a few of the typical requests.
---------------------------------------
Could I tickle your tonsils with with my love rod?
I thought you might want to show me how it's really done.
Are you looking for the biggest and best cock in town?
I would pay good money to tear that ass of yours.
If you like cum, I shoot big loads. Think about it and let me know.

(Here is my favorite.) My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore.
---------------------------------------

I don't mind teasing and PM'ing with the regular posters in the open forums. We know it's all in fun, and no offense is taken. But these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off. I guess you girls get the same shit. I just think it is ignorant. OK I'm off my soapbox now.

People say the darnest things. My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore. Some people just don't know how to talk to a lady.

[Mayrah]

I must be doing something bad, i never get pms!

[Robonyc]

Debra...dont you know that we are like animals?I am one of them but I have a brain and know how to use it That make us folks Different DOn t read delete all you can do!

[CaliBoy951]

Oh, you can send PM's here?

[loveboof]

Read my PM, mama. ;)

Does it say:

"damn mama, you look so good I wanna whip your glasses off and lick your eyeballs dry!"

?

[sharkmizzle]

I am shocked and offended, never did I authorize for my PMs to be brandished about for the whole world to see! Hence the word private in private message.

[flabbybody]

Well it is a porn forum after all
the downside of the internet is that it brings out the asshole in lots of people

[SebBM]

It's just another form of the age old art of begging and they think it's gonna work for them.

[giovanni_hotel]

Debra if I had realized your avy was you....!lol

So it's okay if regular posters send you pervy PMs??
Just checking.

[Instrumental]

But, years ago I was like them. The Freddie Gomez's of the world. We all start out that way.

Whoa homie, speak for yourself.

[jigglyGmoney]

Whoa homie, speak for yourself.


Dude, no straight man comes right out the box 100% comfortable with their attraction to tgirls. There is a maturity process that needs to unfold first. I'm sure the moment you realized you liked tgirls you didnt go out with one for lunch in broad daylight. Lets be real.

[Instrumental]

'm sure the moment you realized you liked tgirls you didnt go out with one for lunch in broad daylight.

True, but I sure wasn't like Freddie or these other guys that harass the transgendered women on the board either.

[jigglyGmoney]

True, but I sure wasn't like Freddie or these other guys that harass the transgendered women on the board either.

Well, Freddie and guys like him are extreme cases. Truth is, we all go through some sort of adjustment period once we discover our attraction to tgirls, and it aint always a smooth one.

[hippifried]

...these lurker assholes are like those punk-ass shitheads in cars that drive by and make kissing noises, whistle, and make nasty comments. They think they are being smooth and that I am just going to run to them as I rip my clothes off...

Oh... Are you saying that doesn't work? Shit!! All those years wasted, & now I have to change tactics. What would sneakin' in your window get me?

[robertlouis]

Oh... Are you saying that doesn't work? Shit!! All those years wasted, & now I have to change tactics. What would sneakin' in your window get me?

In the US, shot, probably..... :dancing:

[pimpdog]

What would it get in your peasant sub human no rights country??

[Jericho]

What would it get in your peasant sub human no rights country??


A haggis and a draw of porridge! :ignore:

[Debra]

Oh... Are you saying that doesn't work? Shit!! All those years wasted, & now I have to change tactics. What would sneakin' in your window get me?

Hahahaha...That depends Hippy. Uninvited would get you a closed coffin funeral.
But invited would get you just about anything you wanted.

[Debra]

People say the darnest things. My friends and I would love to gang bang you until you can't breathe anymore. Some people just don't know how to talk to a lady.

Exactly! That's what I'm talkin' about. It's called tact. I received 3 PM's that got a reply from me. They went something like this, and I am paraphrasing here.

[Hi I am ****. I saw your pic and you are cute. I also enjoy your posts. You seem nice and intelligent, and I am wondering if you would care to talk sometime or maybe meet.........] or something similar to that.

Now that is respectful and deserves a response. But I WILL NOT respond to any PM where the poster has "0" posts in the forums. That means you are just a lurker looking to wham bam thank you ma'am. And I do not do that with people I do not know well. I am not going to be a notch on your belt of conquest.

But as I said before, I think I am going to take Nicoles advice and just delete those I do not know in the forums, and lurker PM's.

[Odelay]

Teasing and making advances on girls in the open forum is akin to having sex in public places... you have to risk a little but it can be so much more fun. :party:

[robertlouis]

What would it get in your peasant sub human no rights country??

Another noobie wanker hits the trail full of facts garnered from Faux News....

[dskreet2]

Are all the ladies done this way?

[hippifried]

Hahahaha...That depends Hippy. Uninvited would get you a closed coffin funeral.
But invited would get you just about anything you wanted.
Well that's good information to have.

Just beckon any time. I'll see it through the telescope.

[killa69]

Shit keep in mind Debra that there are A LOT of horny desperate guys who can't control themselves. They're usually young &/or new to this whole scene. Its like they have a form of sexual tourettes syndrome. their cocks take over their minds & start shooting all types of mess out of their mouths.

[robertlouis]

Shit keep in mind Debra that there are A LOT of horny desperate guys who can't control themselves. They're usually young &/or new to this whole scene. Its like they have a form of sexual tourettes syndrome. their cocks take over their minds & start shooting all types of mess out of their mouths.

...which is why letting them know how dumb they sound will be far better for them in the long run.

[BigDF]

Shit keep in mind Debra that there are A LOT of horny desperate guys who can't control themselves. They're usually young &/or new to this whole scene. Its like they have a form of sexual tourettes syndrome. their cocks take over their minds & start shooting all types of mess out of their mouths.In addition to that, the blood that was delivering oxygen to the brain is now concentrated elsewhere, slowing down the brain functions. Hence what may have started out as: "My lovely Debra,you are so beautiful and sweet that I want to make love to you until I take your breath away" turns into something ugly and gross as you quoted from your PM. :geek:

[buckjohnson]

:iagree:
Well, Freddie and guys like him are extreme cases. Truth is, we all go through some sort of adjustment period once we discover our attraction to tgirls, and it aint always a smooth one.

[buckjohnson]

admitting attraction is a and seeking ones affection is tough for some cats. Woman put out so many different signals, that most times we go with what has worked in the past, not knowing that woman are hormonal freaks of nature subject to many moods and swings of moods. One freaky kind of approach, will be immediately reject by a woman, but wait a week, try it again, and it will have her panties drop. Myself, my front door has an anti-matter device that auto drops all females panties when they walk through the door.

[Jericho]

Jeez, how many times, Rohypnol is not an anti-gravity device! :hide-1:

[spko]

sounds liek fun, im gonna change my avatar and pretend to be a ts :salad

[EyeCumInPiece]

im neither a lurker or a newbie...who wants to go out with me ? =D

[Debra]

Well that's good information to have.

Just beckon any time. I'll see it through the telescope.

That's why I always leave the curtains wide open. Enjoy the show.

[BigDF]

admitting attraction is a and seeking ones affection is tough for some cats. Woman put out so many different signals, that most times we go with what has worked in the past, not knowing that woman are hormonal freaks of nature subject to many moods and swings of moods. One freaky kind of approach, will be immediately reject by a woman, but wait a week, try it again, and it will have her panties drop. Myself, my front door has an anti-matter device that auto drops all females panties when they walk through the door. I bet that's embarrassing as hell for any of your older female relatives(Mom, Grandmother, Aunt) whenever they stop by.:dancing:

[Silcc69]

I bet that's embarrassing as hell for any of your older female relatives(Mom, Grandmother, Aunt) whenever they stop by.:dancing:

ROFLMBAO good one.

[ValerieNelson]

While sexual PM's can get redundant, I rather them than hate mail any day.

[robertlouis]

That's why I always leave the curtains wide open. Enjoy the show.

I have to use a satellite, GPS AND Google Earth, Debra.

But it's well worth the effort. :dancing:

[Debra]

I have to use a satellite, GPS AND Google Earth, Debra.

But it's well worth the effort. :dancing:

I always dress and undress in front of the window and I use 2 big spotlights. And I sunbathe naked in the back yard. So you can't miss me.:)

[robertlouis]

I always dress and undress in front of the window and I use 2 big spotlights. And I sunbathe naked in the back yard. So you can't miss me.:)

I know. The Great Wall of China and your tits, Debra - the two (three? :dancing: ) finest human achievements to be seen from space.

[Debra]

I know. The Great Wall of China and your tits, Debra - the two (three? :dancing: ) finest human achievements to be seen from space.

Only my tits? I thought we were friends. My ass is a much deeper subject to penetrate, and I am very proud of my.....well you obviously didn't notice anyway.:whistle:

[robertlouis]

Only my tits? I thought we were friends. My ass is a much deeper subject to penetrate, and I am very proud of my.....well you obviously didn't notice anyway.:whistle:

:confused: But unless you're a spectacular contortionist (which I'm happy to explore further :geek: ) it would be hard to see your perfect orbs and your rear peaches at the same time anyway.

And as for your ass being a deeper subject to penetrate, well, I'd like to explore that further too...... :wiggle:

[Debra]

:confused: But unless you're a spectacular contortionist (which I'm happy to explore further :geek: ) it would be hard to see your perfect orbs and your rear peaches at the same time anyway.

And as for your ass being a deeper subject to penetrate, well, I'd like to explore that further too...... :wiggle:

I am not a cardboard cut-out. I never show one side only when in front of the window. I do turn around when I bend over to remove my....clothing. And when sunbathing, I do turn over quite often. My ass is bigger than my tits, so they can't be missed. I don't think you watch me at all. You are folling me

I love to explore. I drive a Ford Explorer. Blue.

[robertlouis]

I am not a cardboard cut-out. I never show one side only when in front of the window. I do turn around when I bend over to remove my....clothing. And when sunbathing, I do turn over quite often. My ass is bigger than my tits, so they can't be missed. I don't think you watch me at all. You are folling me

I love to explore. I drive a Ford Explorer. Blue.

Sweetie, if your tits were bigger than your ass, we'd have to call you Quasimodo!

And am I fooling you? Wave next time you're sunbathing and I'll tell you which hand it was...... :)

[Debra]

Sweetie, if your tits were bigger than your ass, we'd have to call you Quasimodo!

Oh now you are saying that my ass is huge? I konw I have a typical Black girl butt, but it isn't THAT big.


And am I fooling you? Wave next time you're sunbathing and I'll tell you which hand it was...... :)

Actually if you can tell me exactly what I was doing with the other hand, I might believe you.

[robertlouis]

Oh now you are saying that my ass is huge? I konw I have a typical Black girl butt, but it isn't THAT big.

Ummm. No. But if your tits were bigger than your ass, regardless of actual size, you'd be spending a lot of time falling flat on your face.....thereby exposing your delectable ass for all the world to see, and, *cough*, "explore". :whistle:



Actually if you can tell me exactly what I was doing with the other hand, I might believe you.

Please ma'am, a little decorum. There could be juveniles here.

But let's just say that I thought that whatever you were holding was big enough to fly a stars and stripes from. :dancing:

[Debra]

Please ma'am, a little decorum. There could be juveniles here.

But let's just say that I thought that whatever you were holding was big enough to fly a stars and stripes from. :dancing:

Oh listen to you. Now you're just trying to suck-up to get back in my graces. You guys are all the same.:)

[robertlouis]

Oh listen to you. Now you're just trying to suck-up to get back in my graces. You guys are all the same.:)

You have a problem with that? ;)

[Debra]

You have a problem with that? ;)

Not at all. Flattery will get you everything. I just like making you work for it. LOL

[robertlouis]

Not at all. Flattery will get you everything. I just like making you work for it. LOL

Virtue is its own reward. :whistle::praying:

[BigDF]

While sexual PM's can get redundant, I rather them than hate mail any day.Good point.:dancing:

[jamesedwards]

LOL wow, this is so dam funny

[The Shika]

Well, I actually know it's pointless to shower most of these girls in compliments anyway. They most likely hear it all the time, 24/7, in one ear out the other, about as normal and ordinary as a welcome greeting.

Which is why I try and stay more original by not doing any of that at all. Unless otherwise necessary. At most I do it once, then not so much anymore. Should be a given that they're attractive anyhow, amirite?

[BigDF]

Well, I actually know it's pointless to shower most of these girls in compliments anyway. They most likely hear it all the time, 24/7, in one ear out the other, about as normal and ordinary as a welcome greeting.

Which is why I try and stay more original by not doing any of that at all. Unless otherwise necessary. At most I do it once, then not so much anymore. Should be a given that they're attractive anyhow, amirite?Personally, I think you're wrong. Most of us are very insecure about our appearance and these hot ladies on her are still human beings with the same fallacies as the rest of us, even if they often appear to be goddesses. I've had some positive experiences with this, both on here as well as IRL. As far as I'm concerned I will continue to compliment the ladies as much as I can simply because it pleases me to do so and to imagine it brought a smile to someone's face.:dancing:

[loveboof]

Personally, I think you're wrong. Most of us are very insecure about our appearance and these hot ladies on her are still human beings with the same fallacies as the rest of us, even if they often appear to be goddesses. I've had some positive experiences with this, both on here as well as IRL. As far as I'm concerned I will continue to compliment the ladies as much as I can simply because it pleases me to do so and to imagine it brought a smile to someone's face.:dancing:

I sort of agree - its always nice to give and receive compliments, especially if they are genuine.

But I hate to see people fawning over someone. I think it's a bit demeaning, and I would never do it (knowingly lol).

[robertlouis]

Personally, I think you're wrong. Most of us are very insecure about our appearance and these hot ladies on her are still human beings with the same fallacies as the rest of us, even if they often appear to be goddesses. I've had some positive experiences with this, both on here as well as IRL. As far as I'm concerned I will continue to compliment the ladies as much as I can simply because it pleases me to do so and to imagine it brought a smile to someone's face.:dancing:

:iagree: In my experience many tgirls are more insecure than most, because of their personal history and their belief that they don't quite make it, whatever the visible evidence is to the contrary. So I'm with BigDF, what can be wrong about making someone feel good about themselves?

And IRL too, telling a girl or a woman that they look good, you like their dress or the way they've done their hair makes them feel good too. And it's not necessarily a prelude to getting them into bed either. After a while you realise that most guys simply don't do it, so it's heartening to see someone glow when you do it. I've said it often enough here, courtesy costs nothing, so why not?

And it does make me SMH when people call the likes of BigDF and me out for being nice to the ladies when the prevailing approach is to criticise, name call and worse.

[The Shika]

I'll always give a compliment to a woman on here, more than just a simple "you're beautiful/sexy/hot" and less than a "I wanna fuck the shit out of you, then fuck the shit back in you." What I'm saying is for the girls that are already in the business successfully, or have seen them already garner millions of praises here, I don't wanna be one of the same sheeple flocking. All I'm saying.

[robertlouis]

I'll always give a compliment to a woman on here, more than just a simple "you're beautiful/sexy/hot" and less than a "I wanna fuck the shit out of you, then fuck the shit back in you." What I'm saying is for the girls that are already in the business successfully, or have seen them already garner millions of praises here, I don't wanna be one of the same sheeple flocking. All I'm saying.

Fair enough, but I think it's also something that comes with maturity and experience. If you're comfortable in your everyday relationships with women, both sexual and non-sexual, it's just the natural thing to do.

The guys who'll go to the stupid lengths of posting that a girl is ugly or masculine etc are betraying their lack of maturity as much as anything else. What constructive purpose does it serve? None. And it's hurtful as well as unnecessary.

[BigDF]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:
Fair enough, but I think it's also something that comes with maturity and experience. If you're comfortable in your everyday relationships with women, both sexual and non-sexual, it's just the natural thing to do.

The guys who'll go to the stupid lengths of posting that a girl is ugly or masculine etc are betraying their lack of maturity as much as anything else. What constructive purpose does it serve? None. And it's hurtful as well as unnecessary.

[AmericanDream]

Some of you fools are stuck in la-la land. You all need a nice dose of reality.

[robertlouis]

Some of you fools are stuck in la-la land. You all need a nice dose of reality.

Describe "reality" then.

[BeardedOne]

I've only been reading about every other post on this thread (Too much flirting. Get a room, kidz!), but I know the tale from both sides having seen what some of the guys send and some of the gurls get in IM land.

When I first stumbled upon HA some years ago I lurked for about a day before I posted something. Can't recall what (Though I think I can ping the archives to find it) or whether it was political, emotional, or more likely (For me) historical or hysterical. Since then, I've driveled on about a variety of things from cats to pussies and had a reasonably good time and met (Both online and in real time) some good people.

In that time, however, I tried not to be disrespectful or harassing of the guests/talent that are our special ladies. In the few IM conversations I have had with some of them I was careful not to be too forthright or rude and usually didn't say things like "Exactly how big =are= you?" until at least the third message and/or day of our conversation.

Such restraint has served me well and I chat with some of the gurls on occasion and, better still, have met some of them in person. Needless to say, my advice to the lurkers is to not lurk so much (Even if you don't get up to some obscenely high post population like mine) and try to limit your IM solicitations to something less than "Let's fuck" until the second or third 'date', as it were.

The ladies will appreciate the courtesy and the rest of us will appreciate not having to read the rants inherent to their having experienced the ignorant IM trolls.

[MdR Dave]

Describe "reality" then.

Nice. Nabokov said that "reality" is a word that should always be in quotations.

The more I experience, the more that rings true.

[FistFuk]

The trolls are typical social retards. The only "social interaction" they know is via the internet (anonymously), and the typical progression can be summarized in the following three stages:

1: Attempts to clumsily get some girls attention, or gain cred with some other troll by talking tough, co-signing, or adding to a flame thread.

2: Get's ignored or informed that he is retarded.

3. Flips out, makes insulting remarks, and tries to cover public rejection by making as much noise as possible. Claims that he never liked ts girls anyways, everyone here is gay, and he hates this place more than Hell.

These are the fat band camp kids who are trying to get back at the world because they got beat up in High School. I feel sorry for 'em to an extent, but for christs sake, go get some therapy until you learn to be polite.

It's the same thing nearly every time. The only option is to keep knocking the trolls down every time they fuck up. Being nice and/or ignoring them doesn't work.

[robertlouis]

The trolls are typical social retards. The only "social interaction" they know is via the internet (anonymously), and the typical progression can be summarized in the following three stages:

1: Attempts to clumsily get some girls attention, or gain cred with some other troll by talking tough, co-signing, or adding to a flame thread.

2: Get's ignored or informed that he is retarded.

3. Flips out, makes insulting remarks, and tries to cover public rejection by making as much noise as possible. Claims that he never liked ts girls anyways, everyone here is gay, and he hates this place more than Hell.

These are the fat band camp kids who are trying to get back at the world because they got beat up in High School. I feel sorry for 'em to an extent, but for christs sake, go get some therapy until you learn to be polite.

It's the same thing nearly every time. The only option is to keep knocking the trolls down every time they fuck up. Being nice and/or ignoring them doesn't work.

:iagree: You're not only dead right, but I'm beginning to think it was a good thing all round when you came back. Thanks FF.

[Debra]

Nice. Nabokov said that "reality" is a word that should always be in quotations.

The more I experience, the more that rings true.

I agree. The word, "REALITY" means pertaining to, but not necessarily what is real. That is how they can call those TV shows, REALITY SHOWS. None of them are real in any way. They are all scripted shows with paid actors. Even shows like American Idol, the new X-FACTOR, and all game shows. They are fake. It is just entertainment to get ratings, and they are cheap to produce.

[FistFuk]

:iagree: You're not only dead right, but I'm beginning to think it was a good thing all round when you came back. Thanks FF.

I'm not a really big fan of "FF" or "Fistfuk", for that matter, but thank you. I picked a protest name. NYCe won't let me have my original name back. I'm not complaining, just saying. . .

Heh

-Honda

[Quiet Reflections]

Lurkers may be losers but so are some of the people that post

[FistFuk]

Lurkers may be losers but so are some of the people that post

I can't argue with that. . .

[SirCumsAlot]

It's the same thing nearly every time.

yeah Im starting to notice this forum is starting to get very repetitive and boring. Only thing bringing me back are some new pics of tgirls I may of have never saw in some threads...:shrug

[Jackal]

Amy is so dang cute!!!

[AmericanDream]

Describe "reality" then.
Reality is what's outside and what's real. Get out and experience more, that's reality.

[MdR Dave]

Amy is so dang cute!!!
Best reply on this thread- maybe not most relevant, but I can get behind it 100%!

[Stavros]

I agree. The word, "REALITY" means pertaining to, but not necessarily what is real. That is how they can call those TV shows, REALITY SHOWS. None of them are real in any way. They are all scripted shows with paid actors. Even shows like American Idol, the new X-FACTOR, and all game shows. They are fake. It is just entertainment to get ratings, and they are cheap to produce.

I don't consider Nabokov to be an authority on anything, other than Butterflies, which he so mercilessly hunted down for his own perverted gratification.

The reality in American Idol and the X Factor is the audience, the performers, the judges, and the unseen technicians: they are not made up, they are real. The confusion is with reality as a raw product, and reality edited for popular consumption: the films we see, the books we read, the newspapers and magazines, the txt messages, these posts, are all edited -we do it consciously as part of the joy of writing, just as we edit out from texts those parts we don't want to say; just as news programmes do not show you the raw footage of the aftermath of a suicide bombing; and just as Lurkers edit the truth of who they are and what they look like. Editing is the pause button, the scissors and paste tool, the interpellation of desire and restraint -or excess, the signature of anxiety. It is what enables us to craft what it is that we want to say. Humankind cannot bear much reality, which is why we edit and txt...and lurk...

[Bobby Domino]

I don't consider Nabokov to be an authority on anything, other than Butterflies, which he so mercilessly hunted down for his own perverted gratification.

The reality in American Idol and the X Factor is the audience, the performers, the judges, and the unseen technicians: they are not made up, they are real. The confusion is with reality as a raw product, and reality edited for popular consumption: the films we see, the books we read, the newspapers and magazines, the txt messages, these posts, are all edited -we do it consciously as part of the joy of writing, just as we edit out from texts those parts we don't want to say; just as news programmes do not show you the raw footage of the aftermath of a suicide bombing; and just as Lurkers edit the truth of who they are and what they look like. Editing is the pause button, the scissors and paste tool, the interpellation of desire and restraint -or excess, the signature of anxiety. It is what enables us to craft what it is that we want to say. Humankind cannot bear much reality, which is why we edit and txt...and lurk...

That was fucking profound (and I'm not being facetious). I never put too much thought in it, but it's true what you say.

One aspect about reality TV, which is always on my mind, is the cameramen. Obviously they have to sign a confidentiality agreement, but they also have to support all the shit they're filming, whether it's the Kardashians (murder must come to mind to most of them) or Deadliest Catch (you know it smells like fish on those boats) or Man vs Wild (filming under extreme weather conditions). I'm sure many of them are like, "Dude, I graduated film school for this!?!?!"

I'd like to see a reality show based on the camera guys filming a reality show. That would be awesome!!!!

[The Shika]

Describe "reality" then.


Reality is what's outside and what's real. Get out and experience more, that's reality.

People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct or true. That's how they define "reality." But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true?" Merely vague concepts...Their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?

Knowledge and awareness are vague, and perhaps better called illusions. Everyone lives by their own subjective interpretation...

[FistFuk]

I don't consider Nabokov to be an authority on anything, other than Butterflies, which he so mercilessly hunted down for his own perverted gratification.

The reality in American Idol and the X Factor is the audience, the performers, the judges, and the unseen technicians: they are not made up, they are real. The confusion is with reality as a raw product, and reality edited for popular consumption: the films we see, the books we read, the newspapers and magazines, the txt messages, these posts, are all edited -we do it consciously as part of the joy of writing, just as we edit out from texts those parts we don't want to say; just as news programmes do not show you the raw footage of the aftermath of a suicide bombing; and just as Lurkers edit the truth of who they are and what they look like. Editing is the pause button, the scissors and paste tool, the interpellation of desire and restraint -or excess, the signature of anxiety. It is what enables us to craft what it is that we want to say. Humankind cannot bear much reality, which is why we edit and txt...and lurk...

You seem like an intelligent guy, but that seems like a bunch of bullshit to me. If you're trying to hoist the concept of "editing" as some philosophical construct to justify assholes who lurk/post anonymously, I don't buy it.

It's not even a correct use of "edit". An internet forum presumably doesn't contain your picture to begin with. By not posting it, you've established a level of anonymity but you haven't altered, changed, or rearranged anything. That argument is like saying:

"I just edited 'The Grapes Of Wrath' by not changing anything. I was fine with how it was!"

Hopefully this isn't going to turn into a "A flute with no holes is not a flute. . ." type deal, I'm not a big fan of existentialism.

[Debra]

I work for a large advertising agency. I am a "Concept Design Artist". Bring me your product and tell me all about it, and I come up with a concept that delivers the message to the public. This could be in audio, video, magazines, billboards, sides of busses, roofs of taxis.....you name it. Chances are very good that all of you have seen my work in one form or another.

With that in mind, I must travel to where ever the client is located in any part of the country to begin the process. I have done many layouts for TV and TV Networks. Reality shows are fake from beginning to end. I am talking about game shows, adventure shows like Survivor, Great Race, and the pathetic shows about washed up has-been starts that need money like Hulk Hogan, Gene Simmons..... entertainment shows like American Idol and X-Factor......you get the picture.

None of them are real. The star that is picked on X-Factor this week, or the idiot that gets voted off the island, are all decided up to a year in advance. They are all acting out according to a script that was written before the season began. These actors are all sworn to secrecy by their contract. If any of them talk publicly and show copies of their contracts, they will be in breach of contract to which the penalty is $10Million and 2 years in prison without parole. This is not a law, but is in their contract that they read and signed. Would you violate a contract like that?

Reality shows look like real life which is attractive to the average viewer. So they bring fair ratings for the network. They are also very cheap to produce in a single studio or on location. So the networks get a hit show with high ratings, and it cost them little to make. No big starts to pay millions to. No big production movie studio to caost millions more. Writers are usually collage students earning extra cash for tuition.....Reality TV is as real as WWF wrestling. They are designed to fill fantasies of the general public. Nothing more, nothing less. They are fake. All of them. Including all game shows. Simon Cowel is making a fortune on this crap. And network CEO's are lighting their cigars with thousand dollar bills. What a racket.

[canihavu]

I have never ever liked reality shows. TV sucks big time today.

[runningdownthatdream]

I work for a large advertising agency. I am a "Concept Design Artist". Bring me your product and tell me all about it, and I come up with a concept that delivers the message to the public. This could be in audio, video, magazines, billboards, sides of busses, roofs of taxis.....you name it. Chances are very good that all of you have seen my work in one form or another.

With that in mind, I must travel to where ever the client is located in any part of the country to begin the process. I have done many layouts for TV and TV Networks. Reality shows are fake from beginning to end. I am talking about game shows, adventure shows like Survivor, Great Race, and the pathetic shows about washed up has-been starts that need money like Hulk Hogan, Gene Simmons..... entertainment shows like American Idol and X-Factor......you get the picture.

None of them are real. The star that is picked on X-Factor this week, or the idiot that gets voted off the island, are all decided up to a year in advance. They are all acting out according to a script that was written before the season began. These actors are all sworn to secrecy by their contract. If any of them talk publicly and show copies of their contracts, they will be in breach of contract to which the penalty is $10Million and 2 years in prison without parole. This is not a law, but is in their contract that they read and signed. Would you violate a contract like that?

Reality shows look like real life which is attractive to the average viewer. So they bring fair ratings for the network. They are also very cheap to produce in a single studio or on location. So the networks get a hit show with high ratings, and it cost them little to make. No big starts to pay millions to. No big production movie studio to caost millions more. Writers are usually collage students earning extra cash for tuition.....Reality TV is as real as WWF wrestling. They are designed to fill fantasies of the general public. Nothing more, nothing less. They are fake. All of them. Including all game shows. Simon Cowel is making a fortune on this crap. And network CEO's are lighting their cigars with thousand dollar bills. What a racket.

The sad thing is how popular these shows are. At some level people seem to actually believe what they are seeing is spontaneous and unscripted.

[Debra]

The sad thing is how popular these shows are. At some level people seem to actually believe what they are seeing is spontaneous and unscripted.

They are so easy to dupe. And there are millions of them every day. The worst part is, most of them are voters. That should explain A LOT!

[AmericanDream]

I work for a large advertising agency. I am a "Concept Design Artist". Bring me your product and tell me all about it, and I come up with a concept that delivers the message to the public. This could be in audio, video, magazines, billboards, sides of busses, roofs of taxis.....you name it. Chances are very good that all of you have seen my work in one form or another.

With that in mind, I must travel to where ever the client is located in any part of the country to begin the process. I have done many layouts for TV and TV Networks. Reality shows are fake from beginning to end. I am talking about game shows, adventure shows like Survivor, Great Race, and the pathetic shows about washed up has-been starts that need money like Hulk Hogan, Gene Simmons..... entertainment shows like American Idol and X-Factor......you get the picture.

Some of these reality shows are so badly faked it's terrible watching. It is very similar to watching WWF wrestling. WWF wrestling does have some high-risk and dangerous moves at least though.

I don't think that too many TV prank shows are scripted though. Some of the shows pull pranks on actual people.

I can't stand a lot of reality TV anyway. It's shocking to me that anyone could think that it isn't scripted. I like to watch the real videos like "Most Shocking Videos" and other things that are not so made up. They have a reality show for everything though.

You said that game shows are set up though... A lot of the new game shows look like complete bullshit to me and that's why I don't bother. The older game shows I think were real though. Somewhere along the way they must have switched to being fake crap.

[Debra]

Some of these reality shows are so badly faked it's terrible watching. It is very similar to watching WWF wrestling. WWF wrestling does have some high-risk and dangerous moves at least though.

I don't think that too many TV prank shows are scripted though. Some of the shows pull pranks on actual people.

I can't stand a lot of reality TV anyway. It's shocking to me that anyone could think that it isn't scripted. I like to watch the real videos like "Most Shocking Videos" and other things that are not so made up. They have a reality show for everything though.

You said that game shows are set up though... A lot of the new game shows look like complete bullshit to me and that's why I don't bother. The older game shows I think were real though. Somewhere along the way they must have switched to being fake crap.

Not all, but most of the older game shows were fake. It was scripted by the sponsers to get viewers to watch their ads. Today's game shows are ALL fake for the same reason.

I hate to disappoint you, but the prank shows are the most fake of these shows. They must get signed permission to do those terrible things to people to avoid law suits. For example...you can't just walk up to somebody and pour juice or liquids all over them. Supposing they are allergic to it and have a bad reaction? But if they know what will be poured onto them ahead of time, they can know if it would hurt them.

Remember this. All TV is a business first, and entertainment second. Every thing you see on your TV is because someone knew they could make money from it. They were not thinking about how happy you will be to watch it.

[Stavros]

You seem like an intelligent guy, but that seems like a bunch of bullshit to me. If you're trying to hoist the concept of "editing" as some philosophical construct to justify assholes who lurk/post anonymously, I don't buy it.

It's not even a correct use of "edit". An internet forum presumably doesn't contain your picture to begin with. By not posting it, you've established a level of anonymity but you haven't altered, changed, or rearranged anything. That argument is like saying:

"I just edited 'The Grapes Of Wrath' by not changing anything. I was fine with how it was!"

Hopefully this isn't going to turn into a "A flute with no holes is not a flute. . ." type deal, I'm not a big fan of existentialism.

I had been reading Derrida after a lapse of some years, so in a sense it is a fair point, as far as the philosophy goes -but having said that do we receive information as neutral data, or do we neutralise it when we don't like it? I had the choice when filling in my personal details to add an avatar -I decided not to, same with the details that preserve my anonymity -I therefore edited the field of information. Roland Barthes comment on Proust sugests that we edit texts as we read, which is why we never read the same text twice, every act of reading is an original act. I don't think its that important re lurkers on HA so that's true.

What is interesting, possibly important is how it works in tv shows where people spend their own money phoning in a vote. In The X Factor [UK] this phoning doesn't happen in the pre-recorded stuff, but it was clear this year that the 'producers/editors' made a mistake by including too much material that made a mockery of people who want to be on TV but can't sing, it becomes either an embarrassment or a form of public cruelty -but as Debra has suggested, there are hours of filmed material and someone made a choice based on some concept of 'production values', 'what the public wants' or more likely, what the programme makers want you to see. I would not normally comment on this stuff as I don't watch it, but if people are being asked to phone it, at cost, for something that has been fixed in advance -and the finalists at least, are selected before the live programmes take place- then it is borderline criminality. There was a scandal with the BBC or ITV as a result of which one programme either ended or stopped taking calls, can't remember which one.

[loveboof]

There was a scandal with the BBC or ITV as a result of which one programme either ended or stopped taking calls, can't remember which one.

It was a tacky ITV gameshow. I doubt the BBC would do something like that.

I'd just like to point out that there is a difference between a show being formulaic and scripted.

Shows like X Factor (in the UK at least) follow a very strict formula, but they are not scripted. In fact it would be counter-intuitive for those talent shows to defy audience votes because the whole point of them is to rapidly market and publicise new acts based on what the public want to spend their money on.

This does not mean they won't plant certain people in the audition process - it has often come to pass that a few favourites have had prior industry connections to Simon Cowell, or that they will not create controversy with their opinions and who they save etc... (ie the formula for the show).

X Factor has been successful for a long time in Britain before you guys got it, and they have that formula down to a T.

[Debra]

but if people are being asked to phone it, at cost, for something that has been fixed in advance -and the finalists at least, are selected before the live programmes take place- then it is borderline criminality. There was a scandal with the BBC or ITV as a result of which one programme either ended or stopped taking calls, can't remember which one.

The call in votes are taken but changed if necessary to fit the script. If the scripted winner got more votes, then no need to fix anything. But it the scripted winner got less votes, then they add enough votes to their winner to make it look legit. It is all part of the gimmick to get viewers to see their ads. The call in voting is to make the viewer feel more important to their favorite show, so they can believe that they had a part in the show. But call-ins mean nothing.

As far as borderline criminality goes, they studio and it's entire production staff is covered. They never tell you that the show is 100% real and not scripted. And when confronted about it's realism, the studios never really say it is or it isn't. They sidestep the question like politicians. They don't actually tell the truth, but they don't actually lie either.

Television is a big money making business, and that is their first priority. The CASH!

[Debra]

It was a tacky ITV gameshow. I doubt the BBC would do something like that.

I'd just like to point out that there is a difference between a show being formulaic and scripted.

Shows like X Factor (in the UK at least) follow a very strict formula, but they are not scripted. In fact it would be counter-intuitive for those talent shows to defy audience votes because the whole point of them is to rapidly market and publicise new acts based on what the public want to spend their money on.

This does not mean they won't plant certain people in the audition process - it has often come to pass that a few favourites have had prior industry connections to Simon Cowell, or that they will not create controversy with their opinions and who they save etc... (ie the formula for the show).

X Factor has been successful for a long time in Britain before you guys got it, and they have that formula down to a T.

There was a big American movie many years ago called, "QUIZ SHOW". It was the true account of a scandal concerning a real game show called, "THE $64,000 QUESTION". The show aired back in the 1950's on American network TV. One of the contestants was very popular with viewers and gave the show big rating to see if he ever got to win the $64,000. It was later found that he was given the answers to every question so he would keep coming back every week to compete. Much the same as they do today on all game shows. But back then, the network claimed the show was real and the contestants won or lost based on their knowledge. Today they don't make those claims, so they are clear of fraud charges.

[Silcc69]

The call in votes are taken but changed if necessary to fit the script. If the scripted winner got more votes, then no need to fix anything. But it the scripted winner got less votes, then they add enough votes to their winner to make it look legit. It is all part of the gimmick to get viewers to see their ads. The call in voting is to make the viewer feel more important to their favorite show, so they can believe that they had a part in the show. But call-ins mean nothing.

As far as borderline criminality goes, they studio and it's entire production staff is covered. They never tell you that the show is 100% real and not scripted. And when confronted about it's realism, the studios never really say it is or it isn't. They sidestep the question like politicians. They don't actually tell the truth, but they don't actually lie either.

Television is a big money making business, and that is their first priority. The CASH!

So while I really don't pay attention to this shit to much I do remember Bristol Palin getting hella votes on Dancing with the Stars so how did that work out?

[Debra]

So while I really don't pay attention to this shit to much I do remember Bristol Palin getting hella votes on Dancing with the Stars so how did that work out?

It may have been an actual true count of the votes. It was claimed that thousands of her friends kept calling over and over hundreds of time to stack the vote in her favor.

Or because she was a Palin and got the show lots of attention, the show faked the numbers on purpose for ratings. Reality TV is all bull shit.

[robertlouis]

The voting cheats are a side issue.

Reality TV is all utter Shite!!!

[Paladin]

It may have been an actual true count of the votes. It was claimed that thousands of her friends kept calling over and over hundreds of time to stack the vote in her favor.

Or because she was a Palin and got the show lots of attention, the show faked the numbers on purpose for ratings. Reality TV is all bull shit.

That's why i call it UNreality TV and i don't waste any time watching any of it.

[loveboof]

There was a big American movie many years ago called, "QUIZ SHOW". It was the true account of a scandal concerning a real game show called, "THE $64,000 QUESTION". The show aired back in the 1950's on American network TV. One of the contestants was very popular with viewers and gave the show big rating to see if he ever got to win the $64,000. It was later found that he was given the answers to every question so he would keep coming back every week to compete. Much the same as they do today on all game shows. But back then, the network claimed the show was real and the contestants won or lost based on their knowledge. Today they don't make those claims, so they are clear of fraud charges.

Well I don't doubt that tv producers are still more than comfortable fixing results if they feel it will be beneficial. The only problem with these kind of phone voting shows is that because of the many millions of calls received, usually an independent telecoms company is hired to process the votes (and money). This is how ITV was caught out not so long ago, and I can't imagine it would work too differently in America.

Also, like I said before - the whole point of these shows is to fast track an 'artist' to success by allowing the audience to voice their preference. The actual content is obviously scripted to some degree in so far as it follows a tight knit formula.

[Debra]

Well I don't doubt that tv producers are still more than comfortable fixing results if they feel it will be beneficial. The only problem with these kind of phone voting shows is that because of the many millions of calls received, usually an independent telecoms company is hired to process the votes (and money). This is how ITV was caught out not so long ago, and I can't imagine it would work too differently in America.

Also, like I said before - the whole point of these shows is to fast track an 'artist' to success by allowing the audience to voice their preference. The actual content is obviously scripted to some degree in so far as it follows a tight knit formula.

Who do you think those telecoms companies are working for? In America, everyone has their price and signs contracts to get it.

The 2009 American Idol show had 4 contestants that already had recording contracts before they did the show. The audiences show their preferences by applause. The show is just to get their performers public air time to be seen.

[loveboof]

Yeah, the contestants are often planted in the audition process. Sometimes these people just want to sing and perform and apply for the show despite some previous measure of success in the industry tho.

Leona Lewis had apparently been in talks with Syco or Simco (I forget which) well before she was on X factor.

In the UK the voting is definitely legit - I don't know about America; you guys could be more corrupt lol...

[Debra]

Yeah, the contestants are often planted in the audition process. Sometimes these people just want to sing and perform and apply for the show despite some previous measure of success in the industry tho.

Leona Lewis had apparently been in talks with Syco or Simco (I forget which) well before she was on X factor.

In the UK the voting is definitely legit - I don't know about America; you guys could be more corrupt lol...

It's all run by Simon Cowel. How corrupt can you get. If the UK studios don't fake the numbers, you can bet they pad them by making thousands of calls for their own contestant.

[PSL4u]

This is one of those threads that one guy was talking about...

[Stavros]

Yeah, the contestants are often planted in the audition process. Sometimes these people just want to sing and perform and apply for the show despite some previous measure of success in the industry tho.

Leona Lewis had apparently been in talks with Syco or Simco (I forget which) well before she was on X factor.

In the UK the voting is definitely legit - I don't know about America; you guys could be more corrupt lol...

Last year Katie Waissels lost the public vote for I think 3 weeks before the show had to give in and get rid of her, there were one two programmes where they swapped the public vote for a judges vote, and it was assumed Waissels was kept in because she got up people's noses and so on, so I don't know how legit all this voting is, except that year after year the winner goes on to a life of well-deserved obscurity -in fact correct me if I am wrong the most successful acts, JLS and Jedward, are 'entertainers' rather than singers anyway. I only got interested in this because someone I knew at work, knew one of the contestants who made it to Bootcamp a couple of years ago -he then became part of a boyband that for a year were under contract to Cowell to perform in the touring shows X Factor does, a year out of his life, but he earned more than £30,000 doing something he liked, so thats not a problem.

I think the format and the content is now dead, my guess is that producers are going to revamp the idea and try and take it 'to a new level' as I think they say in the industry. It is a pity that they can't give air time to people who write their own songs, and play their own instruments, I have nothing against singers, but most of these people just want to be on TV, they can't sing; or their voices are one-dimensional.

Debra, what TV shows do you think are top quality? In terms of integrity, style, content and so forth.

[robertlouis]

The other point to be made about the music/talent shows in particular is the long-term harm that they do to the music business in general and musical creativity in particular.

I'm a working musician, so you could say, rightly, that I have a bit of an axe to grind. I've written and pushed my own songs, slogged my way through clubs, bars, festivals, slept in the back of vans and on floors etc, so I've paid my dues and finally got to a reasonably comfortable level since going full time.

However, the illusion created by programmes like American Idol and The X Factor means that there's an entire generation of kids growing up who think that standing in line to audition before a bunch of dysfunctional judges is the way to do it. Well, I have news for you - it isn't.

Add the fact that the route to success is now seen as over-emoting some schlock ballad makes things even worse. I only hope that there are still enough kids screaming acne-driven rock in garages all over the world and sensitive emos with acoustics in bedrooms to save us all from the terrible dreck that shows like this promote and then sell by the truckload.

But then nobody ever lost money by underestimating the taste, or the gullibility, of the public, did they Mr Cowell?

[loveboof]

@ Stavros, that Katie Waisal thing actually works against the suggestion of corrupt voting because it would be unnecessary with the formula of the show - the public vote doesn't send people home, but rather selects two acts of which the judges decide who goes. That safety net can save their own preferences without the need for elaborate cover ups and confidentiality contracts.

@ Robert, those shows are not harming music creation - all they've done is turn manufactured pop into another kind of entertainment. The final product has been there for a long time, but the process used to happen behind closed doors.

[Helvis2012]

Weak.

[robertlouis]

@ Stavros, that Katie Waisal thing actually works against the suggestion of corrupt voting because it would be unnecessary with the formula of the show - the public vote doesn't send people home, but rather selects two acts of which the judges decide who goes. That safety net can save their own preferences without the need for elaborate cover ups and confidentiality contracts.

@ Robert, those shows are not harming music creation - all they've done is turn manufactured pop into another kind of entertainment. The final product has been there for a long time, but the process used to happen behind closed doors.


With respect, LB, unless you're in the business you can see neither the insidious effects nor the concrete ones. By opening up that process for mass entertainment purposes they really have made a sea change in the key mechanisms of the industry, with even more focus and more money being channelled into disposable pop music and thus, as Stavros said, disposable pop acts too.

You might argue that it's always been that way, and it has to a large extent, hence the growth of what we now call indie music, and in the UK, most urban music generates the same way.

But the massive business and public emphasis on crap like the X Factor/American Idol, makes it more and more difficult for people with real talent who can write their own songs and play instruments to have any chance of exposure, let alone fame.

Consider playlisting on radio. If it wasn't for Radio 6 with its digitally-limited audience, there would be no national outlet in the UK for anything that departs from the bland and safe.

These programmes are a curse.

[fred41]

I disagree...the human voice is an instrument...it isn't necessary to write music (or songs)...that's just a different type of talent. Many performers that write music and lyrics...suck or are mediocre at best in performing their own work. It works both ways.

Many singing stars throughout history never wrote the musical score...or even the songs that they performed...but people enjoyed their performances nontheless.

The enjoyment of music is subjective...I don't necessarily enjoy pop music...but millions of people do. Many people now have satellite radio...I-tunes...Pandora...etc...yet they still listen to pop-tunes. They like what they like regardless of what other musicians may want them to like.

...and pop music is mostly what a show like American Idol sells..and it is- by it's very nature, in fact, a perfectly acceptable venue to display it...and a lot of those people wouldn't normally get a shot (at doing pop music), because they often lack a very important ingredient to appeal to the masses - often they are not attractive enough to have been picked out. Visual attractiveness is a very important ingredient to make it in the pop industry...and a lot of these kids unfortunately fail that standard...but they still have a shot to have people listen to their performances.

[BigDF]

This is one of those threads that one guy was talking about...To tell you the truth, I think the two of you would be better off going back to lurking.:dancing:

[Stavros]

Fred, you are obviously right about the human voice; but the reality is that with or without these shows, very few singers emerge over a period of say 10 years whose popularity endures, and whose careers last; and also its often true that people who write songs are not good performers -but doesn't that suggest there should be a different kind of programme that would allow new performers and new songwriters to test the audience reaction?

Perhaps, as Debra suggests, it is the risk-averse nature of popular entertainment shows which means that once a formula has succeeded and can be fashioned/manipulated it is done again and again, and if some of the allegedly 'unknown' contestants on X Factor have actually won competitions and even recording contracts, the show is easier to plan.

[fred41]

Fred, you are obviously right about the human voice; but the reality is that with or without these shows, very few singers emerge over a period of say 10 years whose popularity endures, and whose careers last; and also its often true that people who write songs are not good performers -but doesn't that suggest there should be a different kind of programme that would allow new performers and new songwriters to test the audience reaction?

Perhaps, as Debra suggests, it is the risk-averse nature of popular entertainment shows which means that once a formula has succeeded and can be fashioned/manipulated it is done again and again, and if some of the allegedly 'unknown' contestants on X Factor have actually won competitions and even recording contracts, the show is easier to plan.

While it would be interesting to have that type of show ...I'm not sure it could be done within that type of format...probably wouldn't get the ratings either...and like you point out - it's about the mass appeal. By the same token, I think it would even be difficult to do shows within different genres of music (as opposed to the washed out pop version of those tunes like Idol / X-Factor)...ultimately, by it's very nature...songwriters and musicians will, for the most part...always have to come up through the ranks - as Robert said - by skill, determination...and as usual...a little (or a lot of) luck.

...and as far as producing lasting pop stars...that's the nature of the beast anyway....only a few pop stars ever endure. (also note my previous comment on the requirement to be attractive)...you also need charisma and sex appeal...something that can't always be created by a show.

[SammiValentine]

Having read page 1, and pages 12 and 13 respectively - I am literally fascinated to see how we got from gangbanging pm's to x-factor.

pages 2 ,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are all in my to do list

thanks peeps x

for the record dont think ive ever had 70 pm's on here. nice haul :D

[tsadriana]

Having read page 1, and pages 12 and 13 respectively - I am literally fascinated to see how we got from gangbanging pm's to x-factor.

pages 2 ,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are all in my to do list

thanks peeps x

for the record dont think ive ever had 70 pm's on here. nice haul :D
X-what Sammie?:):):)

[foxylady]

Only when louie has gone will I watch

[Crossover1]

While sexual PM's can get redundant, I rather them than hate mail any day.

Yes. Some perspective is needed.

The original poster has a delicious photo of herself naked on a porn board for trannies, and then is surprised when men want her and tell her so.

Jesus.

Would you walk down the street naked and then not expect guys to react? Please tell me the difference. You're on a public board and your avatar is you naked. It's the equivalent of wearing short shorts in the street.

I too want to fuck you, but I wouldn't PM you because who wants to be in a mailbox with 6000 other men.

I wish I felt for you. It must be nice is all I can say.

[BigDF]

Yes. Some perspective is needed.

The original poster has a delicious photo of herself naked on a porn board for trannies, and then is surprised when men want her and tell her so.

Jesus.

Would you walk down the street naked and then not expect guys to react? Please tell me the difference. You're on a public board and your avatar is you naked. It's the equivalent of wearing short shorts in the street.

I too want to fuck you, but I wouldn't PM you because who wants to be in a mailbox with 6000 other men.

I wish I felt for you. It must be nice is all I can say.You're right that some perspective is needed. Yes, this is a porn board for transsexuals and many performers post on here. And many post nude photos of themselves. But there is a big difference in telling someone that you are attracted to aroused by them, than saying "I too want to fuck you..." The ladies who post on here are very attractive and most of us appreciate their willingness to display their nudity. But that doesn't make them less deserving of our respect and courtesy. And just because someone performs a role in pornographic film that doesn't mean that person is like that in real life. Nor does it mean the person doesn't reserve respect and courtesy.

You, on the other hand...:geek:

[robertlouis]

Having read page 1, and pages 12 and 13 respectively - I am literally fascinated to see how we got from gangbanging pm's to x-factor.

pages 2 ,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are all in my to do list

thanks peeps x

for the record dont think ive ever had 70 pm's on here. nice haul :D

On the plus side, there hasn't been a single post yet agonising over whether the poster is gay or not. It's not all bad. :dancing:

[Crossover1]

While sexual PM's can get redundant, I rather them than hate mail any day.But there is a big difference in telling someone that you are attracted to aroused by them, than saying "I too want to fuck you..."
[/QUOTE]

Huh?

If you set out to arouse men, don't be surprised--or annoyed--when you do. You can easily ignore the ones who either don't offer you much, or you can...stop arousing them.

It just blows my mind how silly people are when it comes to desire. Ignoring people is part of modern life. You take the baby with the bathwater when you crave the attention of others.

[Crossover1]

You're right that some perspective is needed. Yes, this is a porn board for transsexuals and many performers post on here. And many post nude photos of themselves. But there is a big difference in telling someone that you are attracted to aroused by them, than saying "I too want to fuck you..." The ladies who post on here are very attractive and most of us appreciate their willingness to display their nudity. But that doesn't make them less deserving of our respect and courtesy. And just because someone performs a role in pornographic film that doesn't mean that person is like that in real life. Nor does it mean the person doesn't reserve respect and courtesy.

You, on the other hand...:geek:

You're confused: They're not posting nude photos for any of us, they're doing it for themselves. So why should I "appreciate it" when in the end, they're brand building. It's part of what's wrong with the sprawling nature of this board. It's a marketing board first and foremost, and we're customers. Intimacy and real exchange is hardly possible under such circumstances.

Also, call me quaint, but respect and courtesy means you're graceful when someone you've done a great job turning on tells you so. Once again, you can ignore the trolls.

[ValerieNelson]

Yes. Some perspective is needed.

The original poster has a delicious photo of herself naked on a porn board for trannies, and then is surprised when men want her and tell her so.

Jesus.

Would you walk down the street naked and then not expect guys to react? Please tell me the difference. You're on a public board and your avatar is you naked. It's the equivalent of wearing short shorts in the street.

I too want to fuck you, but I wouldn't PM you because who wants to be in a mailbox with 6000 other men.

I wish I felt for you. It must be nice is all I can say.


Again, I say I rather those than hate mail saying such things as, "You're going to hell," "You have AIDS!!!," or other colorful things. Plus there are the Psycho messages I get from people that believe I'm sitting in front of my computer 24/7 and if I don't respond to their, "Hi wuz up?," then I'm a bitch; or they spam my inbox and I put them on block/ignore, then I read somewhere else, "This bitch is rude and blocked me for no reason Whaaaa!"

Just because you want to fuck my brains out, doesn't mean you can't send a tactful message. 6000 other men in my mailbox? Thanks! I wish! :wiggle:

[ValerieNelson]

On the plus side, there hasn't been a single post yet agonising over whether the poster is gay or not. It's not all bad. :dancing:

Give it time. Give it time. :wiggle:

[twisterspinner]

I only agonize over the gay issue when the word "rosebud" cracks me up.
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Or when on all fours.

[Prospero]

Mostly harmless perhaps - and certainly nice people like Debra must be pleased that there is no way these clowns can reach out beyond this forum and get to her in reality.
But it is equally sobering - if not surprising - that people would send such messages full of hate as "I would like to gangbang you to death." What has this to do with sex? it is pure violent sick hatred. What are people like that doing here at all in this forum. it is certainly something thta women have to contend with - have always had to contend with - for millennia. - the fear and loathing that seems to possess so many men.

[Prospero]

whoops missed the way this thread has mutated - i was responding to the original remarks about the vile messages sent to debra 9(and doubtless many others) by lurkers.

[SammiValentine]

x-factor is bent as fuck

[Edwoodwoodwood]

x-factor is bent as fuck

Are you referring to the chubby gay scouser with the dodgy looks but great voice by any chance?

[SammiValentine]

referring to every late bit of it, I dont watch it :) i am not sure whats worse that or big brother or those geordies and a bunch of wankers in a jungle..

i am a huge reality t.v fan as you can tell :)

[Debra]

Yes. Some perspective is needed.

The original poster has a delicious photo of herself naked on a porn board for trannies, and then is surprised when men want her and tell her so.

You have the wrong idea of what I first posted. Yes this is a porn site, and yes I posted the teasing nude avatar pic. I am a woman who is very open minded. I am not shy about my body or my lust for sex. I am also a big tease at times. But I have also made it very clear on several occasions that I am not an escort, or in the porn industry, and my ass isn't for sale. I do not have any problem with guys that post often who tease me right back because those who do this know the meaning of the word TACT. The lurkers are like preditors in the dark alley waiting to jump out and pounce on you. They are just crude to the extreme and this is not welcomed.


Would you walk down the street naked and then not expect guys to react? Please tell me the difference. You're on a public board and your avatar is you naked. It's the equivalent of wearing short shorts in the street.

Your comparison is not valid in this case. The public street is not a porn site. Let's try it this way. If you drive down the street and see a hooker on the corner, dressed in tight shorts and a halter top, one might pull up to them and ask them if they suck cock and how much it would cost.

OK Now you are driving down the street and see a sexy girl in tight shorts and a halter top. She is just out walking to her friends house for dinner. Would you pull up to her and ask if she sucks cock and how much it cost? If you answer yes, then you are a lurker. You can't tell the difference and don't care.


I too want to fuck you, but I wouldn't PM you because who wants to be in a mailbox with 6000 other men.

I wish I felt for you. It must be nice is all I can say.

The world is what it is. Men wanting to have sex with sexy women is the order of nature. You thinking that you want to fuck me is not the problem. I am flattered when guys like how I look and are attracted to me sexually. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a normal human emotion. The problem is SAYING you want to fuck me. It shows a lack of class and intelligence. I would expect that approach from street thugs or drunken hillbillies.

If you approach me and tell me I am nice looking and think my body is hot, and that you would love to see and touch me all over..... That is the same as saying that you want to fuck me, and I clearly get that message. But it had tact and shows some education and manners.

Even the whores on the streets deserve that much from guys, but johns are to ignorant to understand that. There are too many guys that think, if a woman flashes a tit at them, it automatically means she wants to fuck and suck him til armagedden. But it doesn't mean that.

The bottom line is. I don't mind teasing in the forums, and I don't mind you teasing back. I think of sex as fun and passion. It should be shared and not just taken. Tease me here all you want, and I will return the fun. We are all adults here. But if you want to make a first contact with me in private, don't get all thuggy on me and treat me like a fucking street whore. That is just fucked up and ignorant as hell. I am an educated human being. Treat me like one.

[SirCumsAlot]

You have the wrong idea of what I first posted. Yes this is a porn site, and yes I posted the teasing nude avatar pic. I am a woman who is very open minded. I am not shy about my body or my lust for sex. I am also a big tease at times. But I have also made it very clear on several occasions that I am not an escort, or in the porn industry, and my ass isn't for sale. I do not have any problem with guys that post often who tease me right back because those who do this know the meaning of the word TACT. The lurkers are like preditors in the dark alley waiting to jump out and pounce on you. They are just crude to the extreme and this is not welcomed.



Your comparison is not valid in this case. The public street is not a porn site. Let's try it this way. If you drive down the street and see a hooker on the corner, dressed in tight shorts and a halter top, one might pull up to them and ask them if they suck cock and how much it would cost.

OK Now you are driving down the street and see a sexy girl in tight shorts and a halter top. She is just out walking to her friends house for dinner. Would you pull up to her and ask if she sucks cock and how much it cost? If you answer yes, then you are a lurker. You can't tell the difference and don't care.



The world is what it is. Men wanting to have sex with sexy women is the order of nature. You thinking that you want to fuck me is not the problem. I am flattered when guys like how I look and are attracted to me sexually. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a normal human emotion. The problem is SAYING you want to fuck me. It shows a lack of class and intelligence. I would expect that approach from street thugs or drunken hillbillies.

If you approach me and tell me I am nice looking and think my body is hot, and that you would love to see and touch me all over..... That is the same as saying that you want to fuck me, and I clearly get that message. But it had tact and shows some education and manners.

Even the whores on the streets deserve that much from guys, but johns are to ignorant to understand that. There are too many guys that think, if a woman flashes a tit at them, it automatically means she wants to fuck and suck him til armagedden. But it doesn't mean that.

The bottom line is. I don't mind teasing in the forums, and I don't mind you teasing back. I think of sex as fun and passion. It should be shared and not just taken. Tease me here all you want, and I will return the fun. We are all adults here. But if you want to make a first contact with me in private, don't get all thuggy on me and treat me like a fucking street whore. That is just fucked up and ignorant as hell. I am an educated human being. Treat me like one.

can i fuck u in your right nostril?

[loveboof]

You're confused: They're not posting nude photos for any of us, they're doing it for themselves. So why should I "appreciate it" when in the end, they're brand building. It's part of what's wrong with the sprawling nature of this board. It's a marketing board first and foremost, and we're customers. Intimacy and real exchange is hardly possible under such circumstances.


I agree. It is mutually beneficial for most of these girls to post their pics - so they do not necessarily deserve our unending gratitude.

But who is Debra marketing, and what is her brand? She doesn't work in porn. And regardless of anyone's intentions, those lurkers who pm'ed her are still losers.

[Debra]

I agree. It is mutually beneficial for most of these girls to post their pics - so they do not necessarily deserve our unending gratitude.

But who is Debra marketing, and what is her brand? She doesn't work in porn. And regardless of anyone's intentions, those lurkers who pm'ed her are still losers.

That is correct. I am not here to market my ass for sale. I joined this site because I am a TS and it looked like fun. The reason for the nude avatar is very simple. Guys like to look at naked girls, and I am not that shy. I thought you would like to see it. It doesn't actually show much except for the bumps of my ass. This is an adult site after all. There is nothing wrong with nudity but should never be thought of as an invitation for purchase and disrespectful crudeness from assholes. They are just avatars on an adult site. It just too bad that there are so many children on this adult site that don't understand how to be an adult. But that is to be expected I guess.

[tslvr]

That is correct. I am not here to market my ass for sale. I joined this site because I am a TS and it looked like fun. The reason for the nude avatar is very simple. Guys like to look at naked girls, and I am not that shy. I thought you would like to see it. It doesn't actually show much except for the bumps of my ass. This is an adult site after all. There is nothing wrong with nudity but should never be thought of as an invitation for purchase and disrespectful crudeness from assholes. They are just avatars on an adult site. It just too bad that there are so many children on this adult site that don't understand how to be an adult. But that is to be expected I guess.

Debra, you are just a sweetheart. Would love it it you would go on a date with a fat, older guy.

[Crossover1]

That is correct. I am not here to market my ass for sale. I joined this site because I am a TS and it looked like fun. The reason for the nude avatar is very simple. Guys like to look at naked girls, and I am not that shy. I thought you would like to see it. It doesn't actually show much except for the bumps of my ass. This is an adult site after all. There is nothing wrong with nudity but should never be thought of as an invitation for purchase and disrespectful crudeness from assholes. They are just avatars on an adult site. It just too bad that there are so many children on this adult site that don't understand how to be an adult. But that is to be expected I guess.

I think if you were an adult, you would be flattered by the good ones, and simply ignore the bad ones. That's what being an adult means. :)

I've read your posts and you're clearly an exhibitionist and a tease, which is great and certainly welcome here, but you can't complain if guys get worked up and don't approach you in the way you'd like. You need to let it slide off your back if you want to survive here. The number of times that tgirls use the word "loser" to describe the men who desire them gets very fucking tedious. Two way street.

[LuvMonkeyGalore]

well what do u want attention or no attention.. I guess the only reason you post on here as a tgirl is to see if you attract attention right??? daaaaaaa....

[Debra]

I think if you were an adult, you would be flattered by the good ones, and simply ignore the bad ones. That's what being an adult means. :)

I've read your posts and you're clearly an exhibitionist and a tease, which is great and certainly welcome here, but you can't complain if guys get worked up and don't approach you in the way you'd like. You need to let it slide off your back if you want to survive here. The number of times that tgirls use the word "loser" to describe the men who desire them gets very fucking tedious. Two way street.

Everyone on this site is an exhibitionist and a tease. It's an adult sex site. I guess you are in the gategory of those who do not understand the difference between a teaser and a whore. Nor do you care to know the difference. You think that all women who tease a little to have some fun are whores and should accept anytactles word you wish to throw at them. I'll bet you think all women want you too. And if anyone does NOT agree with you, then they can't be an adult. I guess living in your own little fantasy world must be comforting, because you never have to learn anything more than the egotistical need to be ignorant and crude. I am sure you can get any whore you want. After all, the only thing they expect from you is your cash. Just don't speak to them and you will do fine.

[Debra]

well what do u want attention or no attention.. I guess the only reason you post on here as a tgirl is to see if you attract attention right??? daaaaaaa....

My reason for being here was clearly explained in detail. Maybe your limited comprehension of the written word skipped that part. Scroll down and give it a second try.

[robertlouis]

well what do u want attention or no attention.. I guess the only reason you post on here as a tgirl is to see if you attract attention right??? daaaaaaa....

Some guys will never, ever get it.

[SirCumsAlot]

My reason for being here was clearly explained in detail. Maybe your limited comprehension of the written word skipped that part. Scroll down and give it a second try.

can i fuck u in your left ear until my cum squirts out your right ear?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

?&*!$%?#$&!

[Prospero]

That is correct. I am not here to market my ass for sale. I joined this site because I am a TS and it looked like fun. The reason for the nude avatar is very simple. Guys like to look at naked girls, and I am not that shy. I thought you would like to see it. It doesn't actually show much except for the bumps of my ass. This is an adult site after all. There is nothing wrong with nudity but should never be thought of as an invitation for purchase and disrespectful crudeness from assholes. They are just avatars on an adult site. It just too bad that there are so many children on this adult site that don't understand how to be an adult. But that is to be expected I guess.

My avatar is of a stone lion. it is not an invitation to take up stone masonry so please stop sending me PMs guys.

[thenatural1989]

The nature of this website is going to attract certain characters. Apparently those characters have found you lol...as with most of the other girls on this forum i'm sure.

[Mayrah]

I guess the men can start putting their butthole pictures as avatars because soon thats all thats gonne be left here:p

[GrimFusion]

Everyone on this site is an exhibitionist and a tease. It's an adult sex site. I guess you are in the gategory of those who do not understand the difference between a teaser and a whore. Nor do you care to know the difference. You think that all women who tease a little to have some fun are whores and should accept anytactles word you wish to throw at them. I'll bet you think all women want you too. And if anyone does NOT agree with you, then they can't be an adult. I guess living in your own little fantasy world must be comforting, because you never have to learn anything more than the egotistical need to be ignorant and crude. I am sure you can get any whore you want. After all, the only thing they expect from you is your cash. Just don't speak to them and you will do fine.

Woah, Deb... breathe.
I know I've never struck up conversation with your ass in the past, but I can tell you're getting a little too worked up over some of the very normal stuff that goes on around here. There are a handful of good and trustworthy mature adults who post here, and a fuckton of dipshit trolls. You're getting more attention from the dipshit trolls because you have a very hot and exotic thing goin' and you stand out. It's your look. You're too damn pretty. You also seem to be half-way intelligent and opinionated. That's a bad combination if you have trouble ignoring people.

[BigDF]

I guess the men can start putting their butthole pictures as avatars because soon thats all thats gonne be left here:pLord, I hope not and I wish you wouldn't leave suggestions like that out where Dino can find them.:hide-1:

[Mayrah]

^ Its ok, im sure Dino still has alot of dark avatars to choose from :p

[Jericho]

Lord, I hope not

I'll second that!

[coltglover]

Well I put some pics of me and a tgirl escort in london on my profile. You have to befriend me to see though.

I love tgirls but I don't bug tgirls with unnecessary messages. There's no point. On other forums you'd call people like that 'Trolls'

[Crossover1]

Well it is a porn forum after all



The bottom line is. I don't mind teasing in the forums, and I don't mind you teasing back. I think of sex as fun and passion. It should be shared and not just taken. Tease me here all you want, and I will return the fun. We are all adults here. But if you want to make a first contact with me in private, don't get all thuggy on me and treat me like a fucking street whore. That is just fucked up and ignorant as hell. I am an educated human being. Treat me like one.

I'm not sure anyone here cares whether you're educated or not. I think that's part of the problem. You're not on fucking match.com, honey. You're a on porn board with GIGANTIC pictures of trannies sucking cock and getting jizz shot all over their mouths and asses. What state do you think men are in when they come across your avatar of you naked and you're posting fantasies of you flashing men your ass and dick in a public space?? Men are really, really excited about fucking trannies, especially "straight" men. Telling you they want to ram your tonsils is just, ah, enthusiasm. Treat it that way.

"Dearest friend. I request permission to squire you patiently across the river Thames while sipping chai and reading Focault? Willest you be interested in such a proposal?" Would that be better?

I think class and cheek is great, but sometimes you have to realize where you are and what you--and others--are unleashing on this board. I'm not saying you should put up with people you don't want to (and 99% of us would protect you in that right), and as someone pointed out, you don't have to. Ignore on the Internet is easy peesy. Just have some perspective.

[Crossover1]

Everyone on this site is an exhibitionist and a tease. It's an adult sex site. I guess you are in the gategory of those who do not understand the difference between a teaser and a whore. Nor do you care to know the difference.

Actually I'm a little older than you and more mature. I don't use the word "whore" to describe women. I'm classy like that.

Well, Wall Street types maybe. :yayo:

[tsadriana]

Actually I'm a little older than you and more mature. I don't use the word "whore" to describe women. I'm classy like that.

Well, Wall Street types maybe. :yayo:
Do i look classy?

[raybbaby]

Well, Wall Street types maybe. :yayo:
I'm offended. Whoring may be illegal, but at least it's honest work.

[Stavros]

Do i look classy?

I am looking closely...but its hard to say where you got that bangle from, is it Louis Vuitton?

[Crossover1]

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[QUOTE=raybbaby;1033813]I'm offended. Whoring may be illegal, but at least it's honest work.

My point exactly. :fuckin:

[Debra]

Do i look classy?

Sweetie you look delisious. I could just eat you up.

[Debra]

Woah, Deb... breathe.
I know I've never struck up conversation with your ass in the past, but I can tell you're getting a little too worked up over some of the very normal stuff that goes on around here. There are a handful of good and trustworthy mature adults who post here, and a fuckton of dipshit trolls. You're getting more attention from the dipshit trolls because you have a very hot and exotic thing goin' and you stand out. It's your look. You're too damn pretty. You also seem to be half-way intelligent and opinionated. That's a bad combination if you have trouble ignoring people.

You usually sound pretty cool, so coming from you, I will take that as a high compliment.

Thanks Grim.

[robertlouis]

I am looking closely...but its hard to say where you got that bangle from, is it Louis Vuitton?

Claire's Accessories? :dancing:

Joking, Adriana. :)

[Paladin]

On the plus side, there hasn't been a single post yet agonising over whether the poster is gay or not. It's not all bad. :dancing:

It's gay all right, but not as many cockhounds as some threads.

Debra, you mentioned a couple pages back that "we're all adults here".

Well, for most of the posters here, that is true only when in reference to the number of years they have been alive on this planet.