PDA

View Full Version : HP To Stop Making Computers?



Dino Velvet
08-19-2011, 10:15 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/nod-ibm-hp-overhaul-minimizes-consumers-000737736.html

In nod to IBM, HP overhaul minimizes consumers

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/kjmVjizroQE0M3Nlej7hqQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9Zml0O2g9Mjc-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/logo/ap/ap_logo_106.png (http://www.ap.org/)By JORDAN ROBERTSON - AP Technology Writer | AP – 4 hrs ago





SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Hewlett-Packard's decision to surrender in smartphones and tablet computers and possibly get rid of its personal computer business underscores how Apple has transformed consumer electronics in just four years.
HP's new CEO Leo Apotheker is now trying to turn the Silicon Valley stalwart into a twin of East Coast archrival IBM Corp. In doing so, he is acknowledging that his company has failed to balance the demands of both the consumer and corporate markets. As a result, it needs to exit most of its consumer businesses, just as IBM did six years ago.
Apple is the hottest consumer electronics company on the planet. The iPhone's debut in 2007 brought ease of use and an intuitive design unmatched by predecessors, including smartphone pioneer Palm, which HP bought last year in hopes of getting a foothold in mobile devices. Apple followed in 2010 with the iPad tablet computer and managed to persuade people to buy a product they never knew they needed.
Rather than remain locked in a futile fight with a company that seems to have found the magic touch on making hit consumer products, HP is whittling its competition to the other business technology specialists — namely, IBM, Oracle Corp. and Cisco Systems Inc.
"Apple singlehandedly knocked HP out of the PC, smartphone and tablet business," Gleacher & Co. analyst Brian Marshall said in an interview.
HP's overhaul, announced Thursday, has three parts:
— HP will stop making tablet computers and smartphones by October.
— It will try to spin off or sell its PC business, the world's largest. By the end of next year, HP computers could be sold under another company's name.
— The company plans to buy business software maker Autonomy Corp. for about $10 billion in one of the biggest takeovers in HP's 72-year history. That would expand HP's software and services offerings, where IBM is strong.
HP, the largest technology company in the world by revenue, will continue to sell servers and other equipment to business customers, just as IBM now does. Those businesses currently don't generate as much revenue for HP as PCs, but they have higher profit margins.
Apotheker would not say whether any jobs will be cut. HP plans to take a charge of about $1 billion for restructuring and related costs, some of which could go for severance payments. HP employs more than 300,000 people worldwide.
HP's move toward an IBM-style business model, which is focused on selling to corporations and governments, makes sense considering that Apotheker spent most of his career at German business software maker SAP AG, another company that catered to the technology needs of companies and government agencies.
"This is his bread and butter," Marshall said. "Now he has to deliver."
Investors appeared underwhelmed and sent HP's stock down 6 percent Thursday on a day the broader market declined, with the Standard & Poor's 500 index falling 4.5 percent. In morning trading Friday, HP lost another 20 percent, or $5.81, to $23.70.
Apotheker is seeking radical changes to help erase the stain of scandal and leave his imprint on a massive company he inherited last year. His predecessor, Mark Hurd, resigned under pressure a year ago, after an investigation found expense reports that were allegedly falsified to conceal a relationship with an HP marketing contractor.
In trying to ditch most of HP's consumer businesses, Apotheker is reversing a decade-long binge on computer hardware.
The area where HP has been most visibly lacking is mobile devices.
HP has been hopelessly outmatched in smartphones and tablets despite its $1.8 billion acquisition last year of Palm Inc., whose webOS software was the crown jewel of the deal. The software powered the fledgling TouchPad tablet and HP-powered smartphones that are being discontinued in Thursday's announcement.
The software was well-reviewed, but iPhones and iPads and smartphones running Google Inc.'s Android operating system — made possible after Apple paved the way — have dominated the fastest-growing parts of the consumer technology market. HP was left in the margins. WebOS smartphones had a worldwide market share of less than 1 percent, according to Gartner.
HP will try to find ways to keep webOS alive, which could include using it in other devices such as PCs and printers or licensing it to handset makers, Apotheker said in an interview. He said he was disappointed with the designs of HP's mobile devices and believed the business would have required too much money to turn around.
"We have better opportunities to invest our capital," he said.
HP executives likely decided that "they were too late to the tablet market to make a dent," said Forrester Research analyst Charles Golvin. "They recognized they did not have a high probability of success."
HP conceivably could try to license webOS for use in cars and consumer electronics devices made by other companies, Golvin said. But even that is challenging because Google is targeting many of the same markets with its Android system, which is free.
"This begs the question of how much longer it will be before the other shoe drops and they close the Palm business entirely," Golvin said.
The diminishing of the Palm business will be striking to many technologists.
Jon Rubinstein, the former CEO of Palm, said in December that Palm sold itself because executives realized the business could be small and successful, but couldn't sustain itself on its own in the long run.
Rubinstein, who was an Apple executive before leading Palm, said HP seemed to be the best choice because, given its size, it could help Palm bring its products to more people.
In PCs, HP is acknowledging that it needs to reverse course on a path begun two CEOs ago, under Carly Fiorina. She pushed through the controversial decision to spend $19 billion for Compaq Computer. That set the stage for HP's ascent to become the world's top PC maker.
PCs are HP's biggest revenue generator, but the business is also HP's least profitable, a result of falling prices for computers and brutal competition.
HP's effort to jettison its PC business is another concession to Apple's increasing dominance of consumer electronics, said Shaw Wu, an analyst with Sterne Agee. The PC division also had become a drag on HP's stock even though it still accounts for about 15 percent of the company's earnings, Wu said.
"Apple is such a fierce competitor that HP probably realized it was going to have to cut its losses," Wu said. "And it makes sense to cut your losses sooner than later."
The decision also makes HP's trajectory look similar to rival IBM's. A key player in building the PC market in the 1980s, IBM sold its PC business in 2005 to focus on software and services, which don't cost as much in labor and components as building computer hardware.
The acquisition of Autonomy mirrors a key element of IBM's transformation from stodgy mainframe seller into a software and services powerhouse, which has made IBM the envy of many large technology companies.
HP's net income increased in the fiscal third quarter, which ended July 31, but its lower-than-expected outlook for the current period weighed on the stock. The company, which is based in Palo Alto, Calif., also cut its full-year revenue outlook.
___
AP Technology Writers Michael Liedtke and Rachel Metz in San Francisco and Barbara Ortutay in New York contributed to this report.

sunairco
08-20-2011, 12:51 AM
Some things of note here. IBM dumped the consumer pc line on China's Lenovo around '07 figuring next gen cloud computing was around the corner. Lenovo seemed to get the drift that the PC market was getting ready to tank about 2 years ago and started to divest itself of manufacturing assets and put them into real estate. Carly got HP into a pickle with Compac and put the real money maker of the company on the back burner and rebranded it Agilent. Smart move along with hiring PI's to rat out her board members. Now Apotheker is about to make the same move that almost burried Motorola and GE and killed RCA by withdrawing from the consumer and small business market in favor of municipal, large corporate, and goverment bid contracts during a time when tax dollars can't even sustain current operating costs and corporate buyers are holding back and tightening their belts for the lean times. Bill and Dave are probably spinning like tops in their graves.

Bad news for Microsoft. We're past PC now and OS market share doesn't really matter anymore in the cloud. No longer a need for speed with everything server side, so Intel and AMD take a hit too. Google eats Moto's Mobility sector and Job's now is going to have conceptual competition...maybe good.

Life in the cloud is going to get interesting when the governments finally get keys to the shut down switch. Think DRM sucks? How about Virtual DRM?

Things can also go "Poof" into a "Cloud" of smoke...especially if they try to blow it up your ass

bulldog
08-20-2011, 02:53 AM
Either way I seriously hope that this wont be too painful for the new HP fucking 1500.00 laptop I just bought if it breaks and I have to go through the 4 year warranty I have :/

Dino Velvet
08-21-2011, 12:19 AM
What happened to the Dell dude? Did he get shot?

Ben Curtis Dude Dell Commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsWijdM0W0)

Ben Curtis Dude You're getting a Dell Commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf2_LkX3it0)

Nashvegas
08-21-2011, 01:52 AM
The Dell guy caught buying weed and was dropped by Dell immediately thereafter.

bulldog
08-21-2011, 05:05 AM
The Dell guy caught buying weed and was dropped by Dell immediately thereafter.

Yea that was a tough call huh.....him buying weed.........yep.......

onmyknees
08-21-2011, 05:11 AM
Dino....I'm worried about you worrying about shit like this bro !!!!!!! lol

Pelheckitt
08-21-2011, 05:46 AM
Good as a card carrying member of the Ted Kaczynski fan club im thrilled with this news!

HP was most likely part of Cyberdyne Systems anyways.

Episode 3: Kaczynski'd! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxUVE0B_9g)

flabbybody
08-21-2011, 06:01 AM
HP CEO Carly Fiorina buying Compaq was probably the worst executive decision since the Time Warner- AOL merger. And the bitch is always on TV being treated like she's an expert and global economics. People in business never seem to have to answer for monumental blunders they make. Instead, they're rewarded with better jobs and more financial compensation.

Robert Rubin of Citicorp and Jeff Immelt of GE are two other bozos who have totally wiped out shareholder value during their tenure, yet they're invited to lunch at the White House to advise the president on fixing the economy and creating jobs.
After Obama's election victory he was actually considering re-hiring Rubin as Treasury Secretary before someone told the Prez that the guy was a high priced pimp selling crappy sub-prime mortgage backed securities to unsuspecting state pension funds.
fucking joke

Dino Velvet
08-21-2011, 06:22 AM
Dino....I'm worried about you worrying about shit like this bro !!!!!!! lol

Dude, I got a Dell. No worrying here.

PomonaCA
08-21-2011, 07:55 AM
Apple makes shit and shit is selling. Don't worry, Apple won't last because Steve Jobs is a short sighted chump.

Nautica
08-22-2011, 07:00 PM
Did any of you get 1 of the webOS HP Touchpad tablets? It's been a FIASCO!!!!! It just came out around a month and a half ago, but the $399 16GB is $99 and the $499 32GB is $149.

I've read they aren't leaving webOS, just discontinuing the Touchpads. The software will continue.

flabbybody
08-22-2011, 09:51 PM
here's the ad

http://www.pcworld.com/article/238571/hp_touchpad_fire_sale_deals_expected_to_continue_t his_week.html

OmarZ
08-22-2011, 10:05 PM
HP CEO Carly Fiorina buying Compaq was probably the worst executive decision since the Time Warner- AOL merger. And the bitch is always on TV being treated like she's an expert and global economics. People in business never seem to have to answer for monumental blunders they make. Instead, they're rewarded with better jobs and more financial compensation.

Robert Rubin of Citicorp and Jeff Immelt of GE are two other bozos who have totally wiped out shareholder value during their tenure, yet they're invited to lunch at the White House to advise the president on fixing the economy and creating jobs.
After Obama's election victory he was actually considering re-hiring Rubin as Treasury Secretary before someone told the Prez that the guy was a high priced pimp selling crappy sub-prime mortgage backed securities to unsuspecting state pension funds.
fucking joke


Fiorina was hated by the tech people, HPs engineers... she was always just about marketing.

sunairco
08-23-2011, 03:37 AM
Apple makes shit and shit is selling. Don't worry, Apple won't last because Steve Jobs is a short sighted chump.

That's one crazy statement to make. If there has ever been one long term visionary in the computer business, it has to be Jobs. Virtually everyone except Bill and Jobs has come and gone. Jobs has relentlessly been pushing the tablets since the original Newton. What's that? over 25 years he's had to define and refine the concept? How about the Ipod? Was that short sighted? MP3 players at literally a dime a dozen and he locks the user into a proprietary format,controls the distribution made at a time when the industry thought it was a joke on him and now they are pissing and crying that he's got the lion's share. An interface that anyone can intuitively navigate. Tight DRM. And not to mention a stylish products that are coveted by male and female alike. I don't need to mention the Iphone or Ipad. For a short sighted guy, it seems that industry has been following his lead ever since the mouse/gui in the original Mac. Had he not adapted the Xerox/Palo Alto research groups ideas into his first OS, Bill would be shipping DOS 35.2 with new computers.

PomonaCA
08-23-2011, 04:03 AM
Yeah Jobs pushed the Newton and it failed. That's not visionary, that's trial and error.

(And as far as digital music) Apple's dominance is a complete by-product of a society that would rather have apple do nearly all of the decision making for it.... as long as you can get an Ipod or even better, an Ipod in WHITE!

I didn't just make that up. That is a selling point to a typical apple user..... YOU CAN GET IT IN WHITE! I shit you not!

And what kind of visionary hires lawyers that basically gave MICROSOFT a perpetual license to use his company's assets (The GUI), royalty free? LOL That's the best part. That Jobs was so full of himself he unknowingly, then unwillingly gave away the GUI!

LOL Yeah he's such a visionary!

sunairco
08-23-2011, 08:58 AM
Don't foget, Bill bailed out Apple a while back after the pepsi cola clown, Spindler,and finally Amelio almost destroyed the company. The GUI wasn't Apple's, it was Xerox's and Apple or Microsoft weren't the first to use it, it was Gary Kildall's sucessor to CPM called GEM. Jobs led the coup to get the marketing clowns out of the circus that were trying to push Apple into the corporate realm. Jobs understood pushing into the consumer realm from the beginning. Ever wonder why Apple had been the dominant platform in schools? Smart idea to eventually generate adult consumers that cut their teeth on Apple. Mass marketing to consumers that are not tech savvy with a "push the button and we'll do the rest" is a bad idea? Duh? People who know absolutely shit from shinola buying mac laptops, Ipods,and Ipads simply because they're trendy and silly commercials promise you that when you buy Apple, there's no hassle and everything works intutitively is a bad marketing strategy? When a 14 y/o girl starts demanding a macbook that's going to colored in pink from a third party vendor or a grown woman decides on the Iphone or Ipod because it's "cute" and it's an Apple, Jobs has won the consumer market. GM came to that decison nearly 60 years ago when a woman reaches the point where she can influence the purchase of a vehicle soley on the color and style, without any regard to technical specs or what's under the hood, they've won. Looks like Jobs has won that acheivement too. I'm a PC guy. I make part of my living working with communications terminals using PC's. I'll agree that many of the Apple users aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but you can't dismiss the sucess of their marketing to the unwashed masses.

Now about the Newton thing. Was that a failure or ahead of it's time? It didn't fail because of consumer interest. Casio,Sharp,and Motorola among others were well aware of it's potential. It failed because after pepsi boy (sculley), none of the other CEOs wanted it around competing with their core products and development. For a failure, it directly led to the creation of the PDA's. It was one of the first things Jobs did when he took back the reins after Amelio got the boot was to restart the program and bring back the developers. That shows the vision that he had to integrate the PAD/PDA technology into the current technological human interface. Simply put, no Newton, we wouldn't have the crop of current smart phones and now Pads where computing is going.

LOL Yeah he's such a visionary.

Hell I don't even like the guy or Apple and I'm defending the bastard.

woodywoodsac
08-23-2011, 03:06 PM
Funny, I thought they made sauce. Its lovely on a bacon sarnie!