Is Madison Montag a Transsexual?

[TSPornFan]

Hello everyone. I have a question for everyone. Can someone be a natural transsexual? A person who has not taken hormones nor had any type of cosmic surgery. Madison Montag has stated in an interview and maybe stated in her blog that she is a natural transsexual. Madison has not done anything to transition.

There are some girls who have only taken hormones such as Hazel Tucker and Amy. There are girls who only had surgery like Jesse. Then there are girls who get everything like Kimber James.

I'm not going to lie. In my opinion Madison has a very pretty and feminine face. I think she is passable with her clothes on. However, when unclothed below the neck she has a masculine male's body.

Do you consider Madison a transsexual? Why and Why not?

[theone1982]

Isn't the usual qualification that they live their lives as a man or a woman? In other words, if Madison walks around as a man and only dresses like a woman during porn scenes, then I wouldn't consider her a transsexual. As for considering her masculine without her clothes on, I guess it would depend on what you consider masculine. I mean, do you consider masculine to be a body without boobs, or to be an ultra-ripped muscled up body?

[GroobySteven]

What do transsexuals do in countries where hormones or surgery aren't available?

A transsexual is not defined by what you do with your body - it's how you feel in yourself and how you identify yourself.

I think this post is pretty insulting and low class, to call out one specific model or individual. You could have created the question by just asking if a model who hasn't taken hormones, or surgery, is a trannssexual. POOR!!!

[oifarang]

What is cosmic surgery ? It sounds impressive.

[Prospero]

Cosmic surgery is out of this world - with sky high prices.

[oifarang]

Hello everyone. I have a question for everyone. Can someone be a natural transsexual? A person who has not taken hormones nor had any type of cosmic surgery.

I wanna have some cosmic surgery
:)

[Birgitta]

What do transsexuals do in countries where hormones or surgery aren't available?!

I asked myself that question many times. It just breaks my heart even thinking about it.

As for the question, there are so many differents type.s and kind of tswoman with different opportunities, that its impossible to say whats a ts and what not...

I was a ts when i still lived as a boy, for different reasons i was able to transition at 28, im sure that had i been younger nowadays i would have transitioned earlier...but there was no opportunity for it...i managed to make it till 27 but for me that was the limit, i would have killed myself. The years as a boy have been very damaging for me too. The psychological suffering of being a ts, i think is one of the worst. But again, this does not count for everyone apparently...
P
Still i shudder to think what it will be like in poor countries with no acces to medical care

[Prospero]

Who is Madison Montag? Link or pic?

[GroobySteven]

Who is Madison Montag? Link or pic?

Here you go.

[Prospero]

Okay - now I know she is very cute. But a transexual? Well I'll let the girls here decide on that.

[oifarang]

Okay - now I know she is very cute. But a transexual? Well I'll let the girls here decide on that.

You know you would prospero !! Escpecialy if she had cosmic surgery !

Joking aside she looks lovely.

[Jericho]

Don't know, don't care...I'd do her! :shrug

[giovanni_hotel]

IMO girls do photoshoots when they really aren't ready yet.

She may be totally M2F TS in her mind, but her physical transformation isn't there yet.

[tsparisangelline]

Wow this is funny.

A TRANSSEXUAL TRANSITIONS PHYSICALLY TO THE OPPOSITE GENDER WHETHER IT IS HORMONES OR SURGERY.

The rest are just cd's and drags that porn companyies try to pass off as the same thing.

[Jericho]

Wow this is funny.

A TRANSSEXUAL TRANSITIONS PHYSICALLY TO THE OPPOSITE GENDER WHETHER IT IS HORMONES OR SURGERY.

The rest are just cd's and drags that porn companyies try to pass off as the same thing.



What if she can't go on hormones or get surgery for medical reasons?
Does she get a pass if she's got a doctors certificate?

[gaga99]

Guy in a dress is not a tgirl, smh.

[tsparisangelline]

What if she can't go on hormones or get surgery for medical reasons?
Does she get a pass if she's got a doctors certificate?

No such thing, a true transsexual risks it all.

[timxxx]

She is a transsexual,if she says she is.

Btw,if 99.9% don't consider Madison a transsexual,what happens ? Her tranny pass gets revoked ?

[Jericho]

No such thing, a true transsexual risks it all.


Indeed.....Have at it! :shrug

http://themostcake.co.uk/wp-content/2010/11/scissors.jpg

[Mayrah]

Indeed.....Have at it! :shrug

Ohnoes!:hide-1:

[JamieCoxx]

Way pretty. (great feet too by what I can tell from the photo) Never cared who was who and what was what. The penis goes in the pretty thing. End of story.

[timxxx]

Indeed.....Have at it! :shrug

http://themostcake.co.uk/wp-content/2010/11/scissors.jpg
:Bowdown: She not that 'true' & that would mean finding a new JOB.

[GroobySteven]

Who is Madison Montag? Link or pic?

Why let the girls decided Prospero? Nobody has the right to decide apart from the individual. Otherwise, we get damaged individuals like Paris having to justify their own existence by displacing her issues on others.

[tsparisangelline]

Look at the men trying to justify their lust for boys in wigs by calling them transsexuals lol.

[Jericho]

Look at the men trying to justify their lust for boys in wigs by calling them transsexuals lol.

Hardly sweetie.
I don't care what's between someone's ears. If they make my cock hard, I'll fuck 'em!
It aint me trying to tell anyone a pair of tits makes someone a TS. :shrug

[JamieCoxx]

I'm not seeing a wig there. I do see flawless skin, fit body and a cute face. That's one completely non-gross, income generating model regardless of sex or gender. Those who want to go all the way are welcome to it...

I can totally understand the reasons not to. Hormones give you funny lookin' junk and surgery can seem like an unnecessary expense if you have more important things to spend your money other than body image.

Can't speak for others specifically but that's why I haven't done either one of those things... And still I work with great companies, kick ass people and make plenty of dough 4 years runnin' with plenty of adventures ahead - never labeling myself as anything more than "Jamie".

[SkankyTrannyAnna]

If she looks that good with no work and no hormones then I think the technical term for her is a lucky bitch. :clover:

[Birgitta]

No such thing, a true transsexual risks it all.

I sorth of agree, but some girls really had to quit hormone therapy for health reasons

[Birgitta]

Why let the girls decided Prospero? Nobody has the right to decide apart from the individual. Otherwise, we get damaged individuals like Paris having to justify their own existence by displacing her issues on others.

True, its scary sometimes how Paris thinks...basing your identity by comparing your looks with others might mean that for Paris there might be a huge id crisis ahead

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't care much for her (personality wise - she is young so hopefully she grows out of it) - but personal feelings aside. She is a TS to me. A TS to me is someone who identifies as the opposite gender. There are plenty of our sisters and brothers who are afraid to take the first step and will hide their true feelings aside.

And there are plenty of gay men who get enhancements either for escorting or pageant purposes or both. Who never would identify as the oppisite gender unless convenient.

Now that being said - guys are not therapists - they are visual.

They like what looks good to them - not how one identifies one self.

[TSLexiWade]

I don't care much for her (personality wise - she is young so hopefully she grows out of it) - but personal feelings aside. She is a TS to me. A TS to me is someone who identifies as the opposite gender. There are plenty of our sisters and brothers who are afraid to take the first step and will hide their true feelings aside.

And there are plenty of gay men who get enhancements either for escorting or pageant purposes or both. Who never would identify as the oppisite gender unless convenient.

Now that being said - guys are not therapists - they are visual.

They like what looks good to them - not how one identifies one self.



KELLY! Get outta my head this morning... LOL. Jk. You took the words right outta my mouth.


I've never really met Montag, but we've definitely had our disagreements via Twitter. She has a lot of potential, but just as Kelly stated, her personality is shot for now. Constantly dogging other girls in the industry for their looks, surgeries, & life decisions, I just don't find her to be in the same category as some of us who have lived this life a bit longer than she has.

I can only hope it's a phase she's going thru and one day she'll eventually grow out of it, but I just don't see that happening...

[Nicole Dupre]

I asked myself that question many times. It just breaks my heart even thinking about it.

As for the question, there are so many differents type.s and kind of tswoman with different opportunities, that its impossible to say whats a ts and what not...

I was a ts when i still lived as a boy, for different reasons i was able to transition at 28, im sure that had i been younger nowadays i would have transitioned earlier...but there was no opportunity for it...i managed to make it till 27 but for me that was the limit, i would have killed myself. The years as a boy have been very damaging for me too. The psychological suffering of being a ts, i think is one of the worst. But again, this does not count for everyone apparently...
P
Still i shudder to think what it will be like in poor countries with no acces to medical care

It's called "being a faggot" in the eyes of the world. lol

And then you have the nerve to mock me for being genderfuct for years. At least I never lived a lie. I'd rather be Pete Burns than Ed Wood.

If you transitioned, it sounds like you haven't had many opportunities to enjoy it. And I don't mean living it up as a big, vapid TS sexworker party either.

But don't you feel better being a TS? Why are you so miserable with it?

[Birgitta]

I don't care much for her (personality wise - she is young so hopefully she grows out of it) - but personal feelings aside. She is a TS to me. A TS to me is someone who identifies as the opposite gender. There are plenty of our sisters and brothers who are afraid to take the first step and will hide their true feelings aside.

And there are plenty of gay men who get enhancements either for escorting or pageant purposes or both. Who never would identify as the oppisite gender unless convenient.

Now that being said - guys are not therapists - they are visual.

They like what looks good to them - not how one identifies one self.

Thats true but there are wise men that want to be able to have a decent conversation with a partner and will not be able to date a male ego, if you understand what i mean...you cant just live on looks only...and a pretty person can easely become unattractuve when she has a rotten character and vise versa, you should not underestimate men

[Nicole Dupre]

The world doesn't tell you you're a TS. You tell them.

[Birgitta]

It's called "being a faggot" in the eyes of the world. lol

And then you have the nerve to mock me for being genderfuct for years. At least I never lived a lie. I'd rather be Pete Burns than Ed Wood.

If you transitioned, it sounds like you haven't had many opportunities to enjoy it. And I don't mean living it up as a big, vapid TS sexworker party either.

But don't you feel better being a TS? Why are you so miserable with it?

I never lived a lie, i was openly feminine and openly gay, had to coz it was obvious, ive always tried to remain true to myself but i was seriously fucked up before i transitioned,
i did want to transition as a kid and later as a teenager but my envirement and family would NOT let me.... Which damaged me socially so much that i had trouble to stand on my own two feet, getting out of the parental house and surviving in the world...i had a hellish life. This is also why i dont have a strong ego...my life has been so full of uncertainty that i dont trust anything but my own soul....

I do feel better now, but having to be a ts DID destroy a big part of my life AND i want to be a normal girl....not the freak that will haunt me for the rest of my life...

[SunshyneMonroe]

You guys are so rude

[Nicole Dupre]

I never lived a lie, i was openly feminine and openly gay, had to coz it was obvious, ive always tried to remain true to myself but i was seriously fucked up before i transitioned,
i did want to transition as a kid and later as a teenager but my envirement and family would NOT let me.... Which damaged me socially so much that i had trouble to stand on my own two feet, getting out of the parental house and surviving in the world...i had a hellish life. This is also why i dont have a strong ego...my life has been so full of uncertainty that i dont trust anything but my own soul....

I do feel better now, but having to be a ts DID destroy a big part of my life AND i want to be a normal girl....not the freak that will haunt me for the rest of my life...
Makes sense.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Yes she is a ts ...

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I think the only person that could or should be able to answer your question is Madison. I'm actually less than surprised at some of the comments here.

[SunshyneMonroe]

All i can say is she is a sweet girl and to the other ladys yeah she may talk bs online but ive seen many ppl talk bs on her.I just did America's next top tranny with her and she was sweet to me.

[TSLexiWade]

All i can say is she is a sweet girl and to the other ladys yeah she may talk bs online but ive seen many ppl talk bs on her.I just did America's next top tranny with her and she was sweet to me.


She was sweet to Ashley George too.. :ignore: :hide-1:


LOOOOKOUT!

[Birgitta]

Makes sense.

Not really, if i hear tlovers wanting to love me for my handicap while they have the simplistic mindset like that of feeders and amputeelovers...
And it does not make sense that people claim im backwards for being a girl, instead i should be masculine and serve them as a male sexually lol
And it does not make sense when i look around me and see that most tswoman appear to have a male ego, and are competing with eachother through looks...
I dont see any female uncertainty here

But well, im no ts indeed

[TSPornFan]

What do transsexuals do in countries where hormones or surgery aren't available?

A transsexual is not defined by what you do with your body - it's how you feel in yourself and how you identify yourself.

I think this post is pretty insulting and low class, to call out one specific model or individual. You could have created the question by just asking if a model who hasn't taken hormones, or surgery, is a trannssexual. POOR!!!

This topic was not made to be a personal attack. I did not lay judgement on her. I never said that she wasn't a transsexual. I asked this question for the members to voice their opinions.

Why are do people get pissed when a model is called out? Paying consumers have the right to call out a girl, praise a girl, and criticize a girl. It's no different than movie actors and sports stars. They get called out all of the time for their work. A pornstar's job is to be sexually appealing to consumers. Models SHOULD be open to criticism, but so many are extremely up tight.

No one has problems when someone praises a girl, but members start to complain when someone calls out someone or criticizes a girl.

I did not say models in general because I I don't know any other popular models who live without hormones and surgery.

It's Madison's body and it is her choice. I'm not saying she needs to get all of these things.

However, I can understand both sides of the argument. It is understandable for people to see her as a transsexual because she lives her life as a woman. It is also understandable for people to not see her as a transsexual because she has not done anything to have a feminine body.

I saw that you voted no.

[onmyknees]

Why let the girls decided Prospero? Nobody has the right to decide apart from the individual. Otherwise, we get damaged individuals like Paris having to justify their own existence by displacing her issues on others.


Absolutely !!!!!!!!! We go through this exercise almost weekly here in one form or another. It's entirely useless...interesting when the discussion is civil, but useless. I think this noses out the "Am I Gay If....." threads by a hair.
Let's lay it out there and be honest....some ladies on here that have achieved some level of success both in their transition, and their careers are the harshest critics of those who have fallen short of that mark, for whatever the reason. When issues concerning the LGBT arise, many are always lecturing us ( and rightfully so) about the merits of acceptance and tolerance. It usually center on their trials and tribulations during transition, and I can deeply appreciate .....not understand, but appreciate. But ironically they don't have much tolerance in this situation....So perhaps we should form a committee to do the decision making similar to what Congress has done in the Debt agreement. They could ultimately decide who gets the coveted crown of Transsexual and who still needs more work.... Absurd isn't it.....but no less absurd than these constant questions about whom is and who isn't.

Until such time....I'll be guided by my visual stimulus to whoever I find attractive and sexy, and I'm happy to let the rest of you all put a tag on her, or categorize her. I can't be bothered.
I'm inclined to agree with Steven on this ...."A transsexual is not defined by what you do with your body - it's how you feel in yourself and how you identify yourself." .........It occurs to me that in the end, they don't have to meet "The Paris Criteria" , as long as they meet their own ...Just MHO.

OK Paris...that's your que to call us cockhounds....(drumroll)......:dancing:

[GroobySteven]

This topic was not made to be a personal attack. I did not lay judgement on her. I never said that she wasn't a transsexual. I asked this question for the members to voice their opinions.

Why are do people get pissed when a model is called out? Paying consumers have the right to call out a girl, praise a girl, and criticize a girl. It's no different than movie actors and sports stars. They get called out all of the time for their work. A pornstar's job is to be sexually appealing to consumers. Models SHOULD be open to criticism, but so many are extremely up tight.

No one has problems when someone praises a girl, but members start to complain when someone calls out someone or criticizes a girl.

I did not say models in general because I I don't know any other popular models who live without hormones and surgery.

It's Madison's body and it is her choice. I'm not saying she needs to get all of these things.

However, I can understand both sides of the argument. It is understandable for people to see her as a transsexual because she lives her life as a woman. It is also understandable for people to not see her as a transsexual because she has not done anything to have a feminine body.

I saw that you voted no.

But you could have done it without mentioning names? You are not calling her out as a transsexual pornstar - but just as a transsexual - if you were criticizing her on her roles, that would be different.

I voted YES - I think someone is playing funny buggers because I'm fairly sure some of those other voters would have put YES also.
Mods?

[TSPornFan]

But you could have done it without mentioning names? You are not calling her out as a transsexual pornstar - but just as a transsexual - if you were criticizing her on her roles, that would be different.

I voted YES - I think someone is playing funny buggers because I'm fairly sure some of those other voters would have put YES also.
Mods?

I'm calling her out as a transsexual pornstar. I thought I made it clear in the OP when I only mention Transsexual pornstars. I should had made myself more clear in the topic title and poll.

Sorry for being unclear.

[GroobySteven]

I'm calling her out as a transsexual pornstar. I thought I made it clear in the OP when I only mention Transsexual pornstars. I should had made myself more clear in the topic title and poll.

Sorry for being unclear.

Then that is a completely different kettle of fish as it could be more determined by the consumer, than anything else.

[Nikka]

No such thing, a true transsexual risks it all.

first time I don´t agree with you Paris

[Bobby Domino]

Being a TG is a state of mind, no? If Madison considers herself a TG then we can't really argue with that, hormones/surgery or no hormones/surgery. She could feel comfortable enough where she feels she doesn't need any physical enhancements, or simply hasn't started her transition. Nonetheless when I was looking at her pics recently, I wondered if her "look" was any different than a fem boi. Don't care really, I think she's cute...

[SirCumsAlot]

What do transsexuals do in countries where hormones or surgery aren't available?

A transsexual is not defined by what you do with your body - it's how you feel in yourself and how you identify yourself.

I think this post is pretty insulting and low class, to call out one specific model or individual. You could have created the question by just asking if a model who hasn't taken hormones, or surgery, is a trannssexual. POOR!!!

What I think what the OP meant was is it possible for there to be a genetically born TS, I guess with already with two sex organs, such as in certain species of animals that are born both male and females, such as snails, certain fishes, and whchever other animals I missed. I think he meant Madison meant that she was born with the two sexes, maybe with the two sex organs, the obvious male organ and natural boobs. I dont know though, that was my assumption from the op as Im just waking up from a very long sleep.

I remember way back when I first started getting into TS porn, there was a model I found who claimed she was naturally born as and with both male and female organs; that she naturally had a penis, and her boobs were natural as well from birth (claim she needed no hormones nor implants/surgeries). I can't remember her name. All I remember is that she is mixed with egyptian and her name started with a S. She did, maybe still do, had her own website. I think she was primarily an escort than a pornstar.

[GroobySteven]

What I think what the OP meant was is it possible for there to be a genetically born TS, I guess with already with two sex organs, such as in certain species of animals that are born both male and females, such as snails, certain fishes, and whchever other animals I missed. I think he meant Madison meant that she was born with the two sexes, maybe with the two sex organs, the obvious male organ and natural boobs. I dont know though, that was my assumption from the op as Im just waking up from a very long sleep.

I remember way back when I first started getting into TS porn, there was a model I found who claimed she was naturally born as and with both male and female organs; that she naturally had a penis, and her boobs were natural as well from birth (claim she needed no hormones nor implants/surgeries). I can't remember her name. All I remember is that she is mixed with egyptian and her name started with a S. She did, maybe still do, had her own website. I think she was primarily an escort than a pornstar.

I'm not quite sure how you jumped to that conclusion but you are talking about an intersexed person or a hermaphrodite (born with both sets of organs) which are different to a transsexual.

[Nikka]

seanchai I see you voted a NO, but u are defending her of being a ts, I am confused now :)

[SirCumsAlot]

I'm not quite sure how you jumped to that conclusion but you are talking about an intersexed person or a hermaphrodite (born with both sets of organs) which are different to a transsexual.

It was how the OP worded it. I just misinterpret what he meant

[GroobySteven]

seanchai I see you voted a NO, but u are defending her of being a ts, I am confused now :)

Not as confused as I am :confused::(:yayo:

I'm not defending anyone, I don't think the OP needed to put in a specific models name (although he's since said it was in relation to porn). I'm stating that just because an individual may not be on hormones or have had surgery, that it doesn't necessarily, disclude them from being a transsexual.

[maaarc]

all I can say for sure is the kid's beautiful :)

[Teydyn]

I'm stating that just because an individual may not be on hormones or have had surgery, that it doesn't necessarily, disclude them from being a transsexual.
I agree.

But from my point of view that person is not a TS, but a TV. I cant see inside, thats just how it looks.

[oifarang]

all I can say for sure is the kid's beautiful :)
You bigots and your boxes.

Maybe some of the girls are jelous of her looks,maybe some of the straight lol guys on here are feeling insecure.

[oifarang]

I agree.

But from my point of view that person is not a TS, but a TV. I cant see inside, thats just how it looks.

So if she had breast implants ??

Twat !!

[mysterious.admirer77]

I'm going to have to say YES on this one. I've been following Madison's career since I first discovered her in Transsexual Babysitters 14 and have had the pleasure of speaking to her on Facebook a few times. She is on hormones and transitioning. She's told numerous people she's getting a boob job later this year. I personally think it's a low blow to call out a specific model who is young and barely starting her transition. I'd like to see what any girl at her age look like without hormones and be on the boxcover of every DVD she's starred in. She probably has in the past said stuff about other girls. I don't know.. I don't keep up with the drama. From what I've heard, she doesn't care about the other girls in the industry and just keeps to herself which is nothing wrong with that IMO. :Bowdown: In my mind the way she speaks and from what I've seen in her movies and candid footage on Youtube she is purely a transsexual, a beautiful one that is. :Bowdown::iagree: Below I posted some CURRENT unprofessional pics of Madison. As you can see, she's changing and transitioning into a beautiful young woman. Nuff said.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282997_179117768820792_100001677095695_447744_2002 265_n.jpg


http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/284470_180848721981030_100001677095695_452801_5788 255_n.jpg

[Nicole Dupre]

New feature on the new HA; you can see how people actually voted.

I noticed it when I voted for Britney Boykins vs Lexi. (I have nothing against Lexi. I just think Britney is a prettier girl.)

But it's something to keep in mind here when you vote. Just go back and look at any poll you voted in.

[Teydyn]

So if she had breast implants ??

Twat !!
Then the visible clues for her being a TS instead of a TV are there. I dont know her, so i can only speak from what i see. I dont see implants, i dont see the effects of hormones. That doesnt mean she cant be a TS, but it doesnt make her a girl either.

[BellaBellucci]

But you could have done it without mentioning names? You are not calling her out as a transsexual pornstar - but just as a transsexual - if you were criticizing her on her roles, that would be different.

I disagree. It's no different. Shes a public personality and that's all there is to it. This is the culture in which we live these days. Celebrities are always more closely scrutinized. It's part of the job and most people know that going in.

For the record though, Madison's a friend of mine on FB and while I don't know her that well, I'm pretty sure she just had some surgery done. Even if she didn't, if she is full time and she identifies as a woman, she is TS. If she were part time, I'd have to say that she is still tethered to whatever gender in which she was born.


first time I don´t agree with you Paris

At first I felt agreement towards her, but then I realized that it's actually not always about sacrifice, as I once touted, because some people don't need to sacrifice to find acceptance, and that's good on them. I would argue instead that it's about commitment. Come on! You gotta admit that if she was part time (which, again, I don't think she is), she would not be a transsexual woman but a crossdressing man.

Incidentally, there are some really gorgeous part-timers out there, but the 'looks don't matter in gender identity' school of thought is a double edged sword. A masculine looking transsexual can be a TS and a feminine man is still a man.

Would most of the guys here want to date a 'girl' that vacillated between genders? I don't think so.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

I disagree. It's no different. Shes a public personality and that's all there is to it. This is the culture in which we live these days. Celebrities are always more closely scrutinized. It's part of the job and most people know that going in.

For the record though, Madison's a friend of mine on FB and while I don't know her that well, I'm pretty sure she just had some surgery done. Even if she didn't, if she is full time and she identifies as a woman, she is TS. If she were part time, I'd have to say that she is still tethered to whatever gender in which she was born.



At first I felt agreement towards her, but then I realized that it's actually not always about sacrifice, as I once touted, because some people don't need to sacrifice to find acceptance, and that's good on them. I would argue instead that it's about commitment. Come on! You gotta admit that if she was part time (which, again, I don't think she is), she would not be a transsexual woman but a crossdressing man.

Incidentally, there are some really gorgeous part-timers out there, but the 'looks don't matter in gender identity' school of thought is a double edged sword. A masculine looking transsexual can be a TS and a feminine man is still a man.

Would most of the guys here want to date a 'girl' that vacillated between genders? I don't think so.

~BB~
That's why I said being a TS is always on you. It's not a box you get to check when you renew your DL.

I ALWAYS KNEW I was a woman. Over the years, I just had to get everyone else caught up on it. lol

[BellaBellucci]

That's why I said being a TS is always on you. It's not a box you get to check when you renew your DL.

I ALWAYS KNEW I was a woman. Over the years, I just had to get everyone else caught up on it. lol

Exactly. People need to cut Madison some slack. We're all in agreement that she's adorable and feminine. If she's that way all the time, it should necessarily be a lot easier to 'catch people up on it.' The thing about being TS (or any other kind of TG) is that you get what you put into it.

~BB~

PS: Be careful, there are third sex advocates on this forum who would LOVE to see you (and the rest of us with an 'F') be forced to use a 'T' on our licenses so that they can falsely equate themselves with us.

[Nicole Dupre]

Exactly. People need to cut Madison some slack. We're all in agreement that she's adorable and feminine. If she's that way all the time, it should necessarily be a lot easier to 'catch people up on it.' The thing about being TS (or any other kind of TG) is that you get what you put into it.

~BB~

PS: Be careful, there are third sex advocates on this forum that would LOVE to see you with a 'T' on your license in order for them to falsely equate themselves with us.
Then they'd have to go back, and retroactively put a T on every b.c. that was issued to anyone who had corrective surgery, opted on by a doctor, at birth. You may be BORN intersexed, but most people gravitate to one side of the fence or the other.

[BellaBellucci]

Then they'd have to go back, and retroactively put a T on every b.c. that was issued to anyone who had corrective surgery, opted on by a doctor, at birth. You may be BORN intersexed, but most people gravitate to one side of the fence or the other.

... and sometimes after the parents have already decided on the 'sex,' which is a whole other travesty. This fact lends more credence to the idea that gender is in the brain, and free gender expression is important to protect, except when it comes to the intentional self mis-identification in which many CDs and TVs engage. :geek:

You know, for a bunch of people yelling about how transsexuals aren't 'better' than them (and we're not), they sure wish they were us, don't they? It's because this isn't about the value of a person, but the sincerity or lack thereof with which they identify themselves to others.

If you're a CD/TV, be proud, but don't pretend that you have the same identity and needs as a transsexual.

~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

Exactly. People need to cut Madison some slack. We're all in agreement that she's adorable and feminine. If she's that way all the time, it should necessarily be a lot easier to 'catch people up on it.' The thing about being TS (or any other kind of TG) is that you get what you put into it.

~BB~

PS: Be careful, there are third sex advocates on this forum who would LOVE to see you (and the rest of us with an 'F') be forced to use a 'T' on your license so that they can falsely equate themselves with us.
I totally agree with you Bella. People are way too harsh on Madison. Sure she is in the spotlight and is bound to get scrutinized for her looks, personality, etc. But people need to keep in mind that she still is a TEENAGER. She's still growing into her womanhood. Breast implants are nice, sure.. but at her age it's a little impractical since her body is still growing. It's her decision what she chooses to do with her body but people need to cut her a lot of slack for her accomplishments as a TRANSSEXUAL and as a PERFORMER.

[Nicole Dupre]

... but people need to cut her a lot of slack for her accomplishments as a TRANSSEXUAL and as a PERFORMER.TS porn "status" can be fleeting. So they don't "need to" because , in the end, her quality-of-life will be all that really matters to her, I'm sure. People rant and rave with undue hysterical hatred towards lots of us, for lots of things. But guess who's generally happier at the end of the day; us or them? lol

[TSPornFan]

I'm going to have to say YES on this one. I've been following Madison's career since I first discovered her in Transsexual Babysitters 14 and have had the pleasure of speaking to her on Facebook a few times. She is on hormones and transitioning. She's told numerous people she's getting a boob job later this year. I personally think it's a low blow to call out a specific model who is young and barely starting her transition. I'd like to see what any girl at her age look like without hormones and be on the boxcover of every DVD she's starred in. She probably has in the past said stuff about other girls. I don't know.. I don't keep up with the drama. From what I've heard, she doesn't care about the other girls in the industry and just keeps to herself which is nothing wrong with that IMO. :Bowdown: In my mind the way she speaks and from what I've seen in her movies and candid footage on Youtube she is purely a transsexual, a beautiful one that is. :Bowdown::iagree: Below I posted some CURRENT unprofessional pics of Madison. As you can see, she's changing and transitioning into a beautiful young woman. Nuff said.


My original post was based on what Madison has said in early interviews and her youtube page. I clearly remember her calling herself a natural transsexual who does not have hormones nor surgery. She stated in interviews that she has lived as a natural TS since she was around 13. I didn't know that she changed her mind so quickly.

How is it a low blow for a consumer to call out a model? Consumers are paying sites to shot the models. It is their jobs to sexually please us visibility. Us consumers can call out any girl who a company shot.


. We're all in agreement that she's adorable and feminine.

No, I disagree. She does have a feminine face, but I think her body is masculine

[mysterious.admirer77]

My original post was based on what Madison has said in early interviews and her youtube page. I clearly remember her calling herself a natural transsexual who does not have hormones nor surgery. She stated in interviews that she has lived as a natural TS since she was around 13. I didn't know that she changed her mind so quickly.

How is it a low blow for a consumer to call out a model? Consumers are paying sites to shot the models. It is their jobs to sexually please us visibility. Us consumers can call out any girl who a company shot.



No, I disagree. She does have a feminine face, but I think her body is masculine
You are being redundant. Anyways, why are you so curious about her? If REALLY wanted to know what Madison is you could have always asked her YOURSELF! Not publicly doing a poll, how immature. Seriously, dude get a life and leave the youth alone. No wonder a bunch of the younger girls are committing suicide is because ASSHOLES like you.

http://www.whackmagazine.com/2011/05/17/madison-montag-%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Ci-love-my-dick-too-much-to-lose-it-to-a-knife%E2%80%9D/

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST, TROLL!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268635_177891528943416_100001677095695_444274_6341 838_n.jpg
THIS IS MANLY?

[BellaBellucci]

No, I disagree. She does have a feminine face, but I think her body is masculine

I was referring to her personality and presentation. Sorry, I could have been more clear.

Overall though, you have to admit that she's pretty damn feminine, don't you think?

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

I agree.

But from my point of view that person is not a TS, but a TV. I cant see inside, thats just how it looks.

Then you have the incorrect terminology and should look it up before embarressing yourself with unfounded statements.

[Nicole Dupre]

Us consumers can call out any girl who a company shot.


Get real, Franklin. lol You can do lots of things. But then, you can wait & see if anyone gives a rat's ass. lol

She's just a young tranny, dude. You joining a website doesn't let you qualify her either way, as male or female.

You act as if you bought a damn home, and you're not sure if you should let her live with you. lol

[BellaBellucci]

Then you have the incorrect terminology and should look it up before embarressing yourself with unfounded statements.

He's entitled to his opinion and he never stated it as anything else. Back off, Farva. You're not even TS, in fact you're a threat to the political advancement of transpeople IMO, so why are you talking as if you're the authority on the subject? You're an exploiter, nothing more, and you've formulated your opinions on that basis and now you're trying to pass them off as fact? :?

Oh right, because you're the asshole who puts TV's on your websites and calls them TS's. I guess that's a pretty good reason from your perspective, maybe even the best reason. Of course you have to protect that weakened corporate identity after you've been called out on your gender-identity shenanigans. :geek:

http://www.eastbaymode.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shenanigans1.jpg

~BB~

[TSPornFan]

I was referring to her personality and presentation. Sorry, I could have been more clear.

Overall though, you have to admit that she's pretty damn feminine, don't you think?

~BB~

Sorry, I still disagree.


Then you have the incorrect terminology and should look it up before embarressing yourself with unfounded statements.

You missed his other post. see below


Then the visible clues for her being a TS instead of a TV are there. I dont know her, so i can only speak from what i see. I dont see implants, i dont see the effects of hormones. That doesnt mean she cant be a TS, but it doesnt make her a girl either.


You are being redundant. Anyways, why are you so curious about her? If REALLY wanted to know what Madison is you could have always asked her YOURSELF! Not publicly doing a poll, how immature. Seriously, dude get a life and leave the youth alone. No wonder a bunch of the younger girls are committing suicide is because ASSHOLES like you.

http://www.whackmagazine.com/2011/05/17/madison-montag-%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Ci-love-my-dick-too-much-to-lose-it-to-a-knife%E2%80%9D/

DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST, TROLL!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268635_177891528943416_100001677095695_444274_6341 838_n.jpg
THIS IS MANLY?

I find her body to be manly. You're picture is extremely bias. The picture is from an angle.

I did my research and I have read some of her interviews. In the ones I read she clearly said she does not taken hormones nor had surgery. I never said what she is doing now.

It is not immature for a consumer to talk about a pornstar. That's what we do. I have not said anything disrespectful about her nor did I say she wasn't a transsexual. I never stated my opinion on the matter.

You need to calm down. Everyone always want people to praise girls and never call them out about their work and modeling.

[TSPornFan]

Get real, Franklin. lol You can do lots of things. But then, you can wait & see if anyone gives a rat's ass. lol

She's just a young tranny, dude. You joining a website doesn't let you qualify her either way, as male or female.

You act as if you bought a damn home, and you're not sure if you should let her live with you. lol

I didn't say I had any right to say if she is male or female. I said consumers have the right to call out girls to criticize their work. I have not criticize Madison nor have I stated my opinion on the subject. This topic is not about her work.

[BellaBellucci]

Sorry, I still disagree.

To each their own, but I think you're blind. :lol:


It is not immature for a consumer to talk about a pornstar. That's what we do. I have not said anything disrespectful about her nor did I say she wasn't a transsexual. I never stated my opinion on the matter.

Cop out much? You cast a shadow of doubt on the girl's entire identity, whether you made a declarative statement or not, based on one aspect of her person that has nothing to do with said identity.


You need to calm down. Everyone always want people to praise girls and never call them out about their work and modeling.

Finally we agree on something, but Madison is hardly numero uno on the list of targets for that. There are plenty of other girls to criticize who have done a lot worse than Madison, many right here on the board, but you want to call out a girl who doesn't post here.

Stand up job, buddy!

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

I can't speak for her attitude or persona, but I've met her a few times and can say that I see her as nothing else but a girl. I really don't think anyone knows her well enough to make a judgement like this. I also am almost 100% sure that none of you are board certified therapists or psychologists and have no room to make judgement about who is TS or not.

[FreddieGomez]

i guess Lexi Wade is a tranny too then

[TSPornFan]

To each their own, but I think you're blind. :lol:



Cop out much? You cast a shadow of doubt on the girl's entire identity, whether you made a declarative statement or not, based on one aspect of her person that has nothing to do with said identity.



Finally we agree on something, but Madison is hardly numero uno on the list of targets for that. There are plenty of other girls to criticize who have done a lot worse than Madison, many right here on the board, but you want to call out a girl who doesn't post here.

Stand up job, buddy!

~BB~

I have criticize girls from this board such as Wendy Williams, but that topic was made on other forum. Most girls on this board do not appear on the sites I have memberships on or they don't do porn. I have criticized the entire transsexual porn business on this site many times and that pretty calls out everybody.

I'm not copping out. I do think Madison is a transsexual. However, I made the topic because I understand BOTH sides of the argument. Clearly at least a few people think she isn't a transsexual, but many who do feel she is a transsexual.

[BellaBellucci]

I have criticize girls from this board such as Wendy Williams, but that topic was made on other forum. Most girls on this board do not appear on the sites I have memberships on or they don't do porn. I have criticized the entire transsexual porn business on this site many times and that pretty calls out everybody.

I'm not copping out. I do think Madison is a transsexual. However, I made the topic because I understand BOTH sides of the argument. Clearly at least a few people think she isn't a transsexual, but many who do feel she is a transsexual.

Fine. Granted. But I still don't understand why you felt the need to take it upon yourself to pose this question for the ages to the members here. :?


~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

Sorry, I still disagree.



You missed his other post. see below





I find her body to be manly. You're picture is extremely bias. The picture is from an angle.

I did my research and I have read some of her interviews. In the ones I read she clearly said she does not taken hormones nor had surgery. I never said what she is doing now.

It is not immature for a consumer to talk about a pornstar. That's what we do. I have not said anything disrespectful about her nor did I say she wasn't a transsexual. I never stated my opinion on the matter.

You need to calm down. Everyone always want people to praise girls and never call them out about their work and modeling.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MadisonMontagTV
THERE'S MANY ANGLES THERE FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM!

[TSPornFan]

Fine. Granted. But I still don't understand why you felt the need to take it upon yourself to ponder this question for the ages to the members here. :?


~BB~

I ask the questions, and when you try to answer, I changed the question!

I'm just making a discussion and nothing more.

[TSPornFan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/MadisonMontagTV
THERE'S MANY ANGLES THERE FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM!

Sorry, I still disagree. I'm not attracted to her. Big deal

[mysterious.admirer77]

I can't speak for her attitude or persona, but I've met her a few times and can say that I see her as nothing else but a girl. I really don't think anyone knows her well enough to make a judgement like this. I also am almost 100% sure that none of you are board certified therapists or psychologists and have no room to make judgement about who is TS or not.
WELL SAID from someone who HAS met her. :)


i guess Lexi Wade is a tranny too then
She's irrelevant to this thread..

[BellaBellucci]

She's irrelevant to this thread..

Make no mistake, I don't like Lexi, but you're right. Why bring her into this unless you're looking to turn it into a clusterfuck, right? :geek:

~BB~

[LittleGuy]

Is tvkim a tranny?

[mysterious.admirer77]

EXACTLY! She posted on here acting neutral agreeing with Kelly Shore but when she clearly calls Madison "IT" and Madison MANTAG. She out of all people has no place to talk. Nuff said.

[BellaBellucci]

Is tvkim a tranny?

I don't think she claims to be, hence 'TV.' But we should treat her as a woman, at least here on the forum, because that's been her consistent identity with us.

I'll give you a point for attempting the straw man though.


EXACTLY! She posted on here acting neutral agreeing with Kelly Shore but when she clearly calls Madison "IT" and Madison MANTAG. She out of all people has no place to talk. Nuff said.

She gets points for proper self-identification. It doesn't mean that she's happy with that reality. Perhaps some obstacle is keeping her from becoming TS. :geek:

~BB~

PS: OMG, I'm doing the referee thing again! Quick! Someone smoke me up! On a side note, if you smoke to get high, then why do people say 'smoke out?' It doesn't make any sense. Aww, nevermind.

[AmyDaly]

I think the more important question is "Is Freddie Gomez a transsexual?"

I would vote no. He is most likely a crossdresser in his spare time.

[BellaBellucci]

I think the more important question is "Is Freddie Gomez a transsexual?"

I would vote no. He is most likely a crossdresser in his spare time.

:iagree: Well done. :Bowdown:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't think the voting results should be shared with non-voters, but they're definitely interesting. lol

[mysterious.admirer77]

I can't speak for her attitude or persona, but I've met her a few times and can say that I see her as nothing else but a girl. I really don't think anyone knows her well enough to make a judgement like this. I also am almost 100% sure that none of you are board certified therapists or psychologists and have no room to make judgement about who is TS or not.
You've met her in person.. What's your take on her attitude/persona? I've heard from the male talent that she's sweet and fun to work with but I know she's not a big fan with the other TS in the biz.

[onmyknees]

i guess Lexi Wade is a tranny too then


You consistantly use the word "Tranny" Freddie even after being informed it was ignorant to do so.....What's up with that?

As far as your question...You can call Lexi whatever you want, although I'm sure she'll set you straight....I'll simply call her a sexy lady.

[Dino Velvet]

I like her no matter what. If she sees herself as a girl and lives as one, I see her as a girl too. The more respectful approach is also the least complicated.

[tsparisangelline]

Overall though, you have to admit that she's pretty damn feminine, don't you think?

She's a clock.


Then you have the incorrect terminology and should look it up before embarressing yourself with unfounded statements.


He's entitled to his opinion and he never stated it as anything else. Back off, Farva. You're not even TS, in fact you're a threat to the political advancement of transpeople IMO, so why are you talking as if you're the authority on the subject? You're an exploiter, nothing more, and you've formulated your opinions on that basis and now you're trying to pass them off as fact? :?

Oh right, because you're the asshole who puts TV's on your websites and calls them TS's. I guess that's a pretty good reason from your perspective, maybe even the best reason. Of course you have to protect that weakened corporate identity after you've been called out on your gender-identity shenanigans. :geek:
~BB~


i guess Lexi Wade is a tranny too then

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I hate the fuck out of freddy but that shit was funny



You gotta admit that if she was part time (which, again, I don't think she is), she would not be a transsexual woman but a crossdressing man.
~BB~

It has to be part time look at it.


~BB~[/QUOTE]


seanchai I see you voted a NO, but u are defending her of being a ts, I am confused now :)

ooop


I agree.

But from my point of view that person is not a TS, but a TV. I cant see inside, thats just how it looks.

:iagree:



first time I don´t agree with you Paris

Reasoning?


Hardly sweetie.
I don't care what's between someone's ears. If they make my cock hard, I'll fuck 'em!
It aint me trying to tell anyone a pair of tits makes someone a TS. :shrug

But you also don't try to verify sexuality nor learn information about the mindset of transsexuals you let your booty do the duty, lol.


I sorth of agree, but some girls really had to quit hormone therapy for health reasons

They quit for how long? They get sil, surgery or something as a crutch.
Most even with health issues are on spiro or castrated though.


Why let the girls decided Prospero? Nobody has the right to decide apart from the individual. Otherwise, we get damaged individuals like Paris having to justify their own existence by displacing her issues on others.

Damaged?
Your the one who sells drag queens to these men and tries to call them transsexual...
Lol, I personally know a couple of your last black models so that is really a kii.

[TSLexiWade]

i guess Lexi Wade is a tranny too then


Ohhh what do YOU know ding dong?

[BellaBellucci]

Paris, did you just refer to Madison as 'it?' That's fucking harsh girl! What did she do to you to deserve that?! There must have been something because I've never known you to be like this.

~BB~

[tsparisangelline]

You consistantly use the word "Tranny" Freddie even after being informed it was ignorant to do so.....What's up with that?

As far as your question...You can call Lexi whatever you want, although I'm sure she'll set you straight....I'll simply call her a sexy lady.


Oh please, every tranny on here uses it lol.

I have to defend him for that.

Shemale is ignorant and only to girls not in the sex trade business.

Lexi is a man, no offense but that thing has the body of a young mike tyson.

And by default liking someone who is obviously male is leading high into homosexuality.

[BellaBellucci]

Oh please, every tranny on here uses it lol.

I have to defend him for that.

Are you serious? I thought we were reclaiming the word. If that's the case, nobody else should use it. :geek:

~BB~

[TSPornFan]

Oh please, every tranny on here uses it lol.

I have to defend him for that.

Shemale is ignorant and only to girls not in the sex trade business.

Lexi is a man, no offense but that thing has the body of a young mike tyson.

And by default liking someone who is obviously male is leading high into homosexuality.

So Paris, do you think only passable transsexuals are true transsexuals? Is this your argument?

[SunshyneMonroe]

Hmm it says i voted no as well but didnt steven as well??? Like i said she is a nice girl it was nice working with her and she is JUST STARTING give the girl a BREAK!!! PARIS lets not forget how we looked when we started we ALL start somewhere!

[tsparisangelline]

Paris, did you just refer to Madison as 'it?' That's fucking harsh girl! What did she do to you to deserve that?! There must have been something because I've never known you to be like this.

~BB~

Oh chhh we all know I am a bitch, lol.

It's a online world where we can be what we want.

[TSLexiWade]

You consistantly use the word "Tranny" Freddie even after being informed it was ignorant to do so.....What's up with that?

As far as your question...You can call Lexi whatever you want, although I'm sure she'll set you straight....I'll simply call her a sexy lady.



BLAH BLAH BLAH! I don't need anyone rainin on my parade.. Instead of runnin your mouth FREDDY, how about you run down to Walgreens and pick up my prescription for hormones.. Last name "WADE" - Not in the mood to drive. Thanks. o_O



Idiot.

[BellaBellucci]

Oh chhh we all know I am a bitch, lol.

It's a online world where we can be what we want.

Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not mad, I'm just a little surprised at you, bitch or not. Calling someone 'it,' is taking it to a whole new level IMO.


BLAH BLAH BLAH! I don't need anyone rainin on my parade.. Instead of runnin your mouth FREDDY, how about you run down to Walgreens and pick up my prescription for hormones.. Last name "WADE" - Not in the mood to drive. Thanks. o_O



Idiot.

You mean your whole 2mg of estradiol a day? D'oh! :ignore:

(Now that's how you do it! :dancing:)

~BB~

[TSLexiWade]

Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should. I'm not mad, I'm just a little surprised at you, bitch or not. Calling someone 'it,' is taking it to a whole new level IMO.



You mean your whole 2mg of estradiol a day? D'oh! :ignore:

(Now that's how you do it! :dancing:)

~BB~


I love how you THINK you know everything.. I wish you could see me laughing at your ignorant ass. :hide-1:

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because it's only pointless, you'd argue with a brick wall honey. BUT, I am glad to know you are so involved in my life... I'd say "See you around!" -- But I guess this is the only place I'll see you anytime soon, huh?

POWW!



‪Fergie - 'Pedestal'‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtkvfU0E1bY)

[mysterious.admirer77]

Great.. here comes Lexi coming in here again. It doesn't have her name on the thread. I agree with people's points about her (Wade) but like I said.. She's irrelevant to the thread. No one should even mention her name or bother with her. Instead make a LEXI WADE thread. Just saying.

[TSLexiWade]

Great.. here comes Lexi coming in here again. It doesn't have her name on the thread. I agree with people's points about her (Wade) but like I said.. She's irrelevant to the thread. No one should even mention her name or bother with her. Instead make a LEXI WADE thread. Just saying.

:iagree:

[BellaBellucci]

I love how you THINK you know everything.. I wish you could see me laughing at your ignorant ass. :hide-1:

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because it's only pointless, you'd argue with a brick wall honey. BUT, I am glad to know you are so involved in my life... I'd say "See you around!" -- But I guess this is the only place I'll see you anytime soon, huh?

POWW!

Ignorant? That came straight from your mouth! You don't remember the conversation in which I told you that a 2mg dose wouldn't do anything for you and you argued with me? Well, I was right... again.

And last time I checked, I had my own site(s). If I felt motivated to make porn again, I would, and I would keep nearly 100% of my profits, but I'm not and haven't been in a while. I've been concentrating on other things, like working to start non-trans-related (thanks GODS!) businesses and raising a child, the latter being something which you'll never do. :geek:

POWW! :)


Great.. here comes Lexi coming in here again. It doesn't have her name on the thread. I agree with people's points about her (Wade) but like I said.. She's irrelevant to the thread. No one should even mention her name or bother with her. Instead make a LEXI WADE thread. Just saying.

Don't tempt me.

~BB~

[Felicia Katt]

To show how unlikely it is this will ever be resolved, this post is an amalgam of my prior posts on this subject, from similar painful yet pointless discussions back in 2007 and 2008.

The definition of "transsexuality" is always in flux and under discussion . One common definition is that a transsexual is a person who believes that his or her body does not reflect his or her true 'inner' gender. Another common definition is that a transsexual is a person who has had or plans to have medical or surgical treatments that alter his or her body to better reflect what the individual believes is his or her true gender. Yet another definition is a consistently strong desire to change one's anatomical gender. Transsexuals may dress and behave as individuals of the opposite sex, and may choose to use hormones or surgery to develop desired secondary sex characteristics.

Under any of these defintions, how the person really feels inside not what she does is what essentially defines her as a transsexual. Desire. Not actions. Its about may do, or plan to do, not what you have done or must do. Being a transsexual is about how you feel, not what you do or cannot do in pursuit of those feelings. Some girls who have re-transitioned were apparently never TS, despite their outer appearance, and some part time girls are, despite theirs. If you internally identify as a male, no amount of cosmetic changes will make you a transsexual, and if you internally identify as a female, no lack of changes won't exclude you as one. By that same token, just saying it doesn't make it so. A person can say they are anything, but their conduct, demeanor and behavior can say more about their inner self than their words ever can.

Transsexualism is distinct from transvestism (cross-dressing) in one key way. If a person does not desire to change their gender, then their crossdressing may ultimately be just crossdressing. But its a question of intention and is not defined, or excluded by the action itself. It can just be a kink or a fantasy. But it can also be a sincere expression of someone's inner gender. Its up to the individual to define it. They can do so by their words, or their actions. Not every person who "just" crossdresses is a TS. But some certainly are. And unless they do or say something to you, personally to warrant its withdrawal, all should be afforded some modicum of respect.

If all of this is too cold or clinical or unsatisfying to those who want easy simple categorization of a complex and difficult condition, you can fall back on this, posted by Danny partridge, a formerly active board member.

transsexual: a term used by persons born as males who dress and/or act as females to describe themselves.

cross dresser: a term used by those above to denigrate others who they don't think look as feminine as they do.

transvestite: a term used by people not in the scene to describe everyone above.

Peace

FK

[mysterious.admirer77]

Ignorant? That came straight from your mouth! You don't remember the conversation in which I told you that a 2mg dose wouldn't do anything for you and you argued with me? Well, I was right... again.

And last time I checked, I had my own site(s). If I felt motivated to make porn again, I would, and I would keep nearly 100% of my profits, but I'm not and haven't been in a while. I've been concentrating on other things, like working to start non-trans-related (thanks GODS!) businesses and raising a child, the latter being something which you'll never do. :geek:

POWW! :)



Don't tempt me.

~BB~
Please do, I'm on your side with her. I'm a HUGE FAN of Madison, anyone who insults her for being young and transitioning deserves to be called out. Especially when Madison looks more feminine than her. That's it. Lexi just likes the attention and drama. She's attacked other girls like Sunshyne, Britney Boykins, etc. for their beauty because it's something she'll never have. I've even heard that she spams the owner of SMC begging to shoot her when they clearly don't want a MAN on their site. GO FOR IT BELLA!

[BellaBellucci]

transsexual: a term used by persons born as males who dress and/or act as females to describe themselves.

cross dresser: a term used by those above to denigrate others who they don't think look as feminine as they do.

transvestite: a term used by people not in the scene to describe everyone above.

Spoken like a truly insecure crossdresser. Why do people like you insist that transsexuals think they're better than you are? It's because of you're own self-hatred, that's why!

Personally, I don't think anybody's better than anyone else, but if you can't agree that a person with an ambivalent gender identity has not crossed over into the other gender permanently, then you're living in Neverland.

http://lanternhollow.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/9694_jeremy-peterpan7.jpg


Please do, I'm on your side with her. I'm a HUGE FAN of Madison, anyone who insults her for being young and transitioning deserves to be called out. Especially when Madison looks more feminine than her. That's it. Lexi just likes the attention and drama. She's attacked other girls like Sunshyne, Britney Boykins, etc. for their beauty because it's something she'll never have. I've even heard that she spams the owner of SMC begging to shoot her when they clearly don't want a MAN on their site. GO FOR IT BELLA!

This isn't about sides. It's about fairness. Lexi talks a lot of shit in order to feel better about herself. I'm not going to let her elevate herself at the expense of others. I mean girls do it all the time as a course of business and I can understand that to a certain extent because porn is a competition, but I'm convinced that Lexi's problem is her own inner-turmoil.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

...

If all of this is too cold or clinical or unsatisfying to those who want easy simple categorization of a complex and difficult condition, you can fall back on this, posted by Danny partridge, a formerly active board member.

transsexual: a term used by persons born as males who dress and/or act as females to describe themselves.

cross dresser: a term used by those above to denigrate others who they don't think look as feminine as they do.

transvestite: a term used by people not in the scene to describe everyone above.

Peace

FK
lol

I think TV is a valid term, since CD is often reserved for hetero dudes jerking off in panties. Imo DQ and TV are still valid, if used correctly.

[TSLexiWade]

Please do, I'm on your side with her. I'm a HUGE FAN of Madison, anyone who insults her for being young and transitioning deserves to be called out. Especially when Madison looks more feminine than her. That's it. Lexi just likes the attention and drama. She's attacked other girls like Sunshyne, Britney Boykins, etc. for their beauty because it's something she'll never have. I've even heard that she spams the owner of SMC begging to shoot her when they clearly don't want a MAN on their site. GO FOR IT BELLA!


Now this makes me think this could be Madison..

I haven't said anything about her transition other than her personality - If you go back and read my OP in this thread, you'd see I was nice enough to refer to Madison as "she"

I don't want to look like Britney or Sunshyne - They're both beautiful in their own ways & both highly successful. YES, we've had our disagreements.

Just an FYI - You're gonna feel REAL STUPID when you see my face on SMC in a few months. :)

[BellaBellucci]

lol

I think TV is a valid term, since CD is often reserved for hetero dudes jerking off in panties. Imo DQ and TV are still valid, if used correctly.

I think that used to be the other way around but the dichotomy seems to be shifting towards your definitions.


I don't want to look like Britney or Sunshyne - They're both beautiful in their own ways & both highly successful. YES, we've had our disagreements.

You still don't realize that those disagreements are based on the fact that you're nowhere near in the same sport, let alone league, as those two, do you? Pity. :geek:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Well, you never hear the term "hetero TV" or hetero "DQ". But maybe you should. lol

[mysterious.admirer77]

Now this makes me think this could be Madison..

I haven't said anything about her transition other than her personality - If you go back and read my OP in this thread, you'd see I was nice enough to refer to Madison as "she"

I don't want to look like Britney or Sunshyne - They're both beautiful in their own ways & both highly successful. YES, we've had our disagreements.

Just an FYI - You're gonna feel REAL STUPID when you see my face on SMC in a few months. :)
Why Madison be on here pretending to be someone when she's actually WORKING and making more money than you do. I have nothing against you personally Lexi. You just insult a lot of the girls and make the TS community look bad. Not saying Madison is not guilty of doing the same but you don't see her on here making threads about other girls and posting do you? I'm sure that girl has better things to do.

I won't look stupid.. I was told that you were the one harassing the owner of SMC just to shoot you. They'll only shoot you because they're annoyed and just to shut your big mouth up. Do whatever you want to do and harass whoever you want to do. I follow you on twitter also and I've seen you "stalking" Madison and other girl's careers when it comes to interviews and people they follow.

You can hate on whoever you want, you're entitled to an opinion. Just letting you know the real STARS will outshine you and your negativity any day.

[BellaBellucci]

Well, you never hear the term "hetero TV" or hetero "DQ". But maybe you should. lol

Well, no, maybe not, but it always seemed to me that transvestism had a certain fetishistic aspect, although that could be because that's what the DSM-IV says. Like I said, your definitions are probably better, although the caveat is it that I do know plenty of bi-gendered people, that is people who really would transition if they could and definitely have a feminine aspect to their spirit. I actually have to admit (begrudgingly) that Felicia is a good example of someone who falls into this category.

~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

Bella, have you ever met Madison personally? I've always wondered what she's like in person. Her Youtube videos show at least that she has a personality but I want to know what she's like when the camera is not rolling.

[MrsKellyPierce]

One more peep from me - she is 18/19

I don't know many that age with a couple grand for breast etc

Or parents that will fit the bill.

I hear she will be getting implants soon - so that should put all the insecure males at ease. You can jerk off now with out doubt - She will have implants... Feel better now?

I guess that's what some consider a transsexual.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella, have you ever met Madison personally? I've always wondered what she's like in person. Her Youtube videos show at least that she has a personality but I want to know what she's like when the camera is not rolling.

Not yet. I'd like to though. I need to spend more time with positive people. I think that's obvious enough. :lol:

~BB~

[TSLexiWade]

Why Madison be on here pretending to be someone when she's actually WORKING and making more money than you do. I have nothing against you personally Lexi. You just insult a lot of the girls and make the TS community look bad. Not saying Madison is not guilty of doing the same but you don't see her on here making threads about other girls and posting do you? I'm sure that girl has better things to do.

I won't look stupid.. I was told that you were the one harassing the owner of SMC just to shoot you. They'll only shoot you because they're annoyed and just to shut your big mouth up. Do whatever you want to do and harass whoever you want to do. I follow you on twitter also and I've seen you "stalking" Madison and other girl's careers when it comes to interviews and people they follow.

You can hate on whoever you want, you're entitled to an opinion. Just letting you know the real STARS will outshine you and your negativity any day.

Okay. YOU WIN! :party:

[Jericho]

I guess that's what some consider a transsexual.

Didn't i say that ten pages ago!

[mysterious.admirer77]

One more peep from me - she is 18/19

I don't know many that age with a couple grand for breast etc

Or parents that will fit the bill.

I hear she will be getting implants soon - so that should put all the insecure males at ease. You can jerk off now with out doubt - She will have implants... Feel better now?

I guess that's what some consider a transsexual.
Kelly, I'm a HUGE FAN of Madison. I'm curious.. have you met her? If so.. what's her personality like. I've never seen any beef with you and her on Twitter but you seem to "not care" for her personality. Why is that? I used to be friends with her personal assistant before she BLEW UP but I'm just curious what she's like.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly, I'm a HUGE FAN of Madison. I'm curious.. have you met her? If so.. what's her personality like. I've never seen any beef with you and her on Twitter but you seem to "not care" for her personality. Why is that? I used to be friends with her personal assistant before she BLEW UP but I'm just curious what she's like.

Ashley and her had a falling out - And Ashley was quite open about it.

I know Ashley and believe her..

Ashley is not the type usually to go against her trans sisters for no reason - men yes - TS no.

Wendy also had issues with her and while Wendy and I have had our debacles here and there - I know
Wendy and how supportive she is of girls careers. Wendy helped me in my own and
many others. With out asking even a thank you.

Wendy wouldn't speak out against a girl unless there was some truth to it.

I do not have issue with Madison - I simply stated from her interviews and her mishaps with girls - she had growing up to do

Some of her interviews she has come off degrading to her veterans and speaks as if she is on the level of Vaniity. That came off as a turn off to me.

I followed her on twitter for awhile and she seems very narcisstic

Which to each their own is fine with some and not with others

I repeat I have no issue with Madison - I believe she is a trans-girl who is young and will grow and mature into a lovely lady or like others it could go the other way.

[BellaBellucci]

Kelly gives Wendy waaaay too much credit. She's more insecure than any other girl here and is nearly as catty on the rare occasion that she 'graces' us with her presence. :geek:

~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

Not yet. I'd like to though. I need to spend more time with positive people. I think that's obvious enough. :lol:

~BB~
Bella I think she's still in LA. You two should meet and do a interview and post it on your Youtube account. Your videos are uplifting and give the TS community a positive image.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella I think she's still in LA. You two should meet and do a interview and post it on your Youtube account. Your videos are uplifting and give the TS community a positive image.

Thanks. If I wasn't so damn lazy, I'd make more of them. :lol:

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly gives Wendy waaaay too much credit. She's more insecure than any other girl here and is nearly as catty on the rare occasion that she 'graces' us with her presence. :geek:

~BB~

Wendy can be catty like we all can..

I will openly admit when I was younger and caught up in the drama - took jabs at Wendy and others..

As you grow older you grow out of it or you don't.

Wendy helped me with contacts and gave me sound advice to get paid correctly and to keep my name out there. Despite my immaturity and cattiness. Which she has done the same for countless others.

Wendy sometimes goes on the defense which would come natural to anyone who has been treated this way.

Wendy which I have said publicly many times works hard and has managed to win about every award out there.

So she at least has that to hold over the heads of her haters and counters anf the ones who poked fun at her like myself

[mysterious.admirer77]

Ashley and her had a falling out - And Ashley was quite open about it.

I know Ashley and believe her..

Ashley is not the type usually to go against her trans sisters for no reason - men yes - TS no.

Wendy also had issues with her and while Wendy and I have had our debacles here and there - I know
Wendy and how supportive she is of girls careers. Wendy helped me in my own and
many others. With out asking even a thank you.

Wendy wouldn't speak out against a girl unless there was some truth to it.

I do not have issue with Madison - I simply stated from her interviews and her mishaps with girls - she had growing up to do

Some of her interviews she has come off degrading to her veterans and speaks as if she is on the level of Vaniity. That came off as a turn off to me.

I followed her on twitter for awhile and she seems very narcisstic

Which to each their own is fine with some and not with others

I repeat I have no issue with Madison - I believe she is a trans-girl who is young and will grow and mature into a lovely lady or like others it could go the other way.
Madison is a very interesting girl. To me Wendy Williams is just a drag queen with a boobjob. She is successful but she still performs like she's a drag queen and has no right to speak publicly against Madison. Madison is originally from Texas so I like to think her "narcissism" as sassy. About the whole Ashley George thing, I heard many stories about it but I wouldn't trust Ashley. She's a beautiful girl on the outside but I've read the things she's said about men and Madison and that's just beyond cruel. I like that you remain neutral with Madison though, Kelly. Unlike Wendy you are a real women in my eyes.

I've heard that Madison doesn't even associate with the other girls (TS) which probably could be why she's had mishaps with veterans and other girls. I've read a lot of her interviews and IMO she doesn't put herself at Vaniity status. I have to disagree there. But she is something special that was brought to the world and she does give a lot of credit to Kimber James in almost every interview. It at least shows that she's somewhat modest and has a role model.

[BellaBellucci]

Wendy can be catty like we all can..

I will openly admit when I was younger and caught up in the drama - took jabs at Wendy and others..

As you grow older you grow out of it or you don't.

Wendy helped me with contacts and gave me sound advice to get paid correctly and to keep my name out there. Despite my immaturity and cattiness. Which she has done the same for countless others.

Wendy sometimes goes on the defense which would come natural to anyone who has been treated this way.

Wendy which I have said publicly many times works hard and has managed to win about every award out there.

So she at least has that to hold over the heads of her haters and counters anf the ones who poked fun at her like myself

OK. I actually happen to agree with that. Well said. :Bowdown:

For the record, if Wendy apologized, so would I. Gods know I'm not perfect.

~BB~

[WendyWilliams]

Why do people post under an alias to talk smack. I give so much props to Bella, Kelly, Lexi etc who dont hide behind an alias or have their gay best friend talk smack.

I never made one comment in this thread about Madison and the only thing Ive ever said about her on twitter was that she was young and naive to the business. However if she really wants to play with the grown up's then I can arrange that too.

[Ben]

So, well, could, say, Kirsty Scott, an obvious crossdresser be a shemale & or transsexual????? Could a man who simply wears a wig -- or not -- be a transsexual???

[BellaBellucci]

Kirstie self labels under 'TG,' which, depending upon whom you ask, can be an umbrella term for all 'gender-variant' people or another way to say CD or TV but without the sexual connotation. Personally, for the latter, I use the term 'bi-gendered.' Either way, she's never labeled herself TS.

~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

Why do people post under an alias to talk smack. I give so much props to Bella, Kelly, Lexi etc who dont hide behind an alias or have their gay best friend talk smack.

I never made one comment in this thread about Madison and the only thing Ive ever said about her on twitter was that she was young and naive to the business. However if she really wants to play with the grown up's then I can arrange that too.
She is young and naive, you're right. I'm really just a big fan of her that's all. I follow you and a bunch of other girls on Twitter and it was apparent you were talking about her. I don't know her neither do you probably but she is young and in the ADULT BUSINESS so I understand where you're coming from but there's no need to call her out on anything. If she personally did something to you than that's a different story but I don't know what your beef is with her. I respect all TS for them being them. I just expected more from you as an adult and being in the industry for a long time to be less catty and act like the adult you are. That's all. :-)

[BellaBellucci]

She is young and naive, you're right.

How could you know that if you're asking people what she's like? :?

Sorry babe, but you gave yourself away. Points for the attempt though. I still love ya baby! :lol:

~BB~

[mysterious.admirer77]

How could you know that if you're asking people what she's like? :?

Sorry babe, but you gave yourself away. Points for the attempt though. I still love ya baby! :lol:

~BB~
Huh?
Fact: She is young. 18/19
From the interviews I've read/heard she is naive. I'm a fan of her and have spoken to her like I previously stated on FB and she comes off naive in general.

[BellaBellucci]

Huh?
Fact: She is young. 18/19
From the interviews I've read/heard she is naive. I'm a fan of her and have spoken to her like I previously stated on FB and she comes off naive in general.

There were a few other clues in your posts too. I'm not going to point them all out because then you could just try again with another account name. Suffice it to say, a few of us seem to think you're Madison and what's most telling is that I don't really get along well with the others.

Like I said though, I don't really care either way. Carry on. :lol:

~BB~

[WendyWilliams]

She is young and naive, you're right. I'm really just a big fan of her that's all. I follow you and a bunch of other girls on Twitter and it was apparent you were talking about her. I don't know her neither do you probably but she is young and in the ADULT BUSINESS so I understand where you're coming from but there's no need to call her out on anything. If she personally did something to you than that's a different story but I don't know what your beef is with her. I respect all TS for them being them. I just expected more from you as an adult and being in the industry for a long time to be less catty and act like the adult you are. That's all. :-)

Hmm I never said her name on twitter so not sure how you knew I was "calling her out"..Who said I had a beef with her?? She is a newcomer who likes to stretch truths in Interviews, talk nasty about people to others not knowing that those mainstream people tell it all, she is very insecure and has a nasty attitude.....

Expect more? You dont know me at all, however you did decide to personally attack me when I wasnt in the thread at all until you spoke ill o me.

Less catty? If you think saying someone is naive is catty then you really dont know me as it gets alot worse. Trust me if I wanted to make it harder on Madison in the Industry all it would take is a few phone calls and emails...Almost 10 years in this Industry does have it perks :)

I believe you are Madison or her gay friend and trust me if I find this to be the truth (and it will come out), you will have one chance at a function to speak those words to my face and only one!

Ok back to playing in drag,
Wendy

[Nicole Dupre]

Kirstie self labels under 'TG,' which, depending upon whom you ask, can be an umbrella term for all 'gender-variant' people or another way to say CD or TV but without the sexual connotation. Personally, for the latter, I use the term 'bi-gendered.' Either way, she's never labeled herself TS.

~BB~
No one ever seems to place as much importance on this stuff as we do; the people actually living with the labels.

For the guys, "a hard dick has no conscience". And I can't say I completely blame them. Honestly, who wants to fuck a 'gender label'? lol Obviously, most of the guys here don't give a damn... except for Franklin. ;-) lol

[BellaBellucci]

Trust me if I wanted to make it harder on Madison in the Industry all it would take is a few phone calls and emails...Almost 10 years in this Industry does have it perks :)

So you don't deny it anymore? Thank you!

YAY! I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST! :dancing::dancing::dancing:

My work here is done. :lol:

~BB~

[Dino Velvet]

I wouldn't throw her outta bed for eating crackers... as long as I was the only Cracker in bed with her.:fuckin:

http://www.grooby.com/promo/mad/madisonmontag1084.jpg

[TSLexiWade]

I called bullshit on this how many pages ago? I laugh.

[Felicia Katt]

For those who missed it these were my words on the subject



The definition of "transsexuality" is always in flux and under discussion . One common definition is that a transsexual is a person who believes that his or her body does not reflect his or her true 'inner' gender. Another common definition is that a transsexual is a person who has had or plans to have medical or surgical treatments that alter his or her body to better reflect what the individual believes is his or her true gender. Yet another definition is a consistently strong desire to change one's anatomical gender. Transsexuals may dress and behave as individuals of the opposite sex, and may choose to use hormones or surgery to develop desired secondary sex characteristics.
Under any of these defintions, how the person really feels inside not what she does is what essentially defines her as a transsexual. Desire. Not actions. Its about may do, or plan to do, not what you have done or must do. Being a transsexual is about how you feel, not what you do or cannot do in pursuit of those feelings. Some girls who have re-transitioned were apparently never TS, despite their outer appearance, and some part time girls are, despite theirs. If you internally identify as a male, no amount of cosmetic changes will make you a transsexual, and if you internally identify as a female, no lack of changes won't exclude you as one. By that same token, just saying it doesn't make it so. A person can say they are anything, but their conduct, demeanor and behavior can say more about their inner self than their words ever can.

Transsexualism is distinct from transvestism (cross-dressing) in one key way. If a person does not desire to change their gender, then their crossdressing may ultimately be just crossdressing. But its a question of intention and is not defined, or excluded by the action itself. It can just be a kink or a fantasy. But it can also be a sincere expression of someone's inner gender. Its up to the individual to define it. They can do so by their words, or their actions. Not every person who "just" crossdresses is a TS. But some certainly are. And unless they do or say something to you, personally to warrant its withdrawal, all should be afforded some modicum of respect.and these were the words of Danny Partridge, offered by me now as by him back in 2007, ironically, to try to show how divisive rather than definitive all these terms are.


transsexual: a term used by persons born as males who dress and/or act as females to describe themselves.
cross dresser: a term used by those above to denigrate others who they don't think look as feminine as they do.
transvestite: a term used by people not in the scene to describe everyone above.and in traditional HA fashion, my words were ignored and the authorship and intent of another's words were disregarded into a personal attack. Gender Identity is not math. That something is not equal to another doesn't make one more or less than the other. But so long as people use definitions to exclude those they deem do not fit, rather than including those who do, or to demean differences rather than denote them, the issue will never be settled. and 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years from now, it will start up all over again, with fresh advocates and fresh victims. I won't be joining that conversation or participating any further in this one.

Peace

FK

[mysterious.admirer77]

Hmm I never said her name on twitter so not sure how you knew I was "calling her out"..Who said I had a beef with her?? She is a newcomer who likes to stretch truths in Interviews, talk nasty about people to others not knowing that those mainstream people tell it all, she is very insecure and has a nasty attitude.....

Expect more? You dont know me at all, however you did decide to personally attack me when I wasnt in the thread at all until you spoke ill o me.

Less catty? If you think saying someone is naive is catty then you really dont know me as it gets alot worse. Trust me if I wanted to make it harder on Madison in the Industry all it would take is a few phone calls and emails...Almost 10 years in this Industry does have it perks :)

I believe you are Madison or her gay friend and trust me if I find this to be the truth (and it will come out), you will have one chance at a function to speak those words to my face and only one!

Ok back to playing in drag,
Wendy
You guys can believe what you want. I'm just a big fan of hers along with others in the industry. I saw that you voted NO, Wendy that's why I called you out. How could you not think she's a transsexual? You can make your calls and do whatever you please, she didn't do anything to you. I'm not hiding behind my computer. If you like I can upload a picture to prove I'm real. ;-)

[SunshyneMonroe]

Guys be nice :)

[BellaBellucci]

the issue will never be settled. and 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years from now, it will start up all over again, with fresh advocates and fresh victims.

Wrong. The discussion is important as we all collectively and independently re-evaluate ourselves as people and our values as transpeople, but the answer is simple: either you're full-time with a full-time female gender identity or you're not. Case closed. The entire argument is a red herring meant to keep people interested and refine logisitics in the interest of fairness. In short, the debate is part of the journey and if it occurs enough times, eventually there will be a logical consensus even if it happens to make some people perceive themselves as inferior. Why should everyone else get held up because of that?

Most TS's don't think they're better than CD/TV's until they're provoked by the CD/TV's trying to concoct false equivalencies, and that what is what creates the relativism of value. Otherwise, it's simply an agree-to-disagree situation.

~BB~

PS: It might be my opinion that there's truly a woman inside of you, but for a multitude of other reasons, I still think you're a phony.

[Ben]

Kirstie self labels under 'TG,' which, depending upon whom you ask, can be an umbrella term for all 'gender-variant' people or another way to say CD or TV but without the sexual connotation. Personally, for the latter, I use the term 'bi-gendered.' Either way, she's never labeled herself TS.

~BB~

Thanks Bella.
That's true. She has never labelled herself as TS. She has said that she isn't on hormones. I think Kirsty candidly uses the term: CD.
But, um, this is all complicated -- ha ha ha!
I mean, well, guys who like FTM transsexuals are quite uncertain as to what they are.
They're afraid of being labelled gay. Society, at large, seems to label men who like FTM transsexuals as gay. (Eddie Murphy was harangued for picking up a FTM transsexual. Why????)
Human psychology and sexuality are too complicated -- ha ha ha!!!!!!

[Dino Velvet]

For those who missed it these were my words on the subject

and these were the words of Danny Partridge, offered by me now as by him back in 2007, ironically, to try to show how divisive rather than definitive all these terms are.

and in traditional HA fashion, my words were ignored and the authorship and intent of another's words were disregarded into a personal attack. Gender Identity is not math. That something is not equal to another doesn't make one more or less than the other. But so long as people use definitions to exclude those they deem do not fit, rather than including those who do, or to demean differences rather than denote them, the issue will never be settled. and 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years from now, it will start up all over again, with fresh advocates and fresh victims. I won't be joining that conversation or participating any further in this one.

Peace

FK

2 much reedin'. someone tell me what it says or show more dirty pictures please.

[Nicole Dupre]

Most girls, genetic or not, are appalled at what some men will stoop to, in terms of "bedding a woman". Here, we have the 'gay question' and the various terms under the "TG umbrella" to make things even more... interesting.

Btw, many GGs privately call straight men "faggots" behind their backs, constantly. It's hardly just us. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

‪Homo Rainbow‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCONv89WOCU)

[Nicole Dupre]

Newsflash: everyone here is a "filthy faggot" according to the GOP. lol

[SisterDickRadio]

I have personally had huge convos and phone conversations with Madison even before her set came out on Yum last year. She is trans woman to me... She is also young and has a lot to learn about life and how to interact with others.

Her and I have had our battles but in the end we are friendly and I have had her on my show two times already. I know within a few more years she will be more mature and wiser. All i ever wanted to do was help her with some motherly advice. But deep inside I know shes a good girl, and is a natural talent.

She doesnt associate with other girls because she has always be vocal about how back in the day she would dog girls on hormones and plastic surgery. I see now that is starting to change for her. I wish her all the luck in the world and with time she will grow up more.

On the record about Ashley... I have hung out and been around her, she is not the persona she plays online. I know nothing about what happened between the two it must of been bad for Ashley to go off.

I personally think guys should not judge girls because they dont look the way they imagine they should look. Trans women are judged daily and to be judge by people on forums like this can sting. So know that a girl can be trans without all the work. Maybe she doesnt have the money for doctors, hormones or surgeries. Hell, I struggled many years to get to look the way I wanted to with no money! So just remember if a girl doesnt post here, doesnt mean she cant see it!

Much love,
Michelle

[SunshyneMonroe]

I have personally had huge convos and phone conversations with Madison even before her set came out on Yum last year. She is trans woman to me... She is also young and has a lot to learn about life and how to interact with others.

Her and I have had our battles but in the end we are friendly and I have had her on my show two times already. I know within a few more years she will be more mature and wiser. All i ever wanted to do was help her with some motherly advice. But deep inside I know shes a good girl, and is a natural talent.

She doesnt associate with other girls because she has always be vocal about how back in the day she would dog girls on hormones and plastic surgery. I see now that is starting to change for her. I wish her all the luck in the world and with time she will grow up more.

On the record about Ashley... I have hung out and been around her, she is not the persona she plays online. I know nothing about what happened between the two it must of been bad for Ashley to go off.

I personally think guys should not judge girls because they dont look the way they imagine they should look. Trans women are judged daily and to be judge by people on forums like this can sting. So know that a girl can be trans without all the work. Maybe she doesnt have the money for doctors, hormones or surgeries. Hell, I struggled many years to get to look the way I wanted to with no money! So just remember if a girl doesnt post here, doesnt mean she cant see it!

Much love,
Michelle

How was ur b day babe?

[tsparisangelline]

Anyone who takes a forum seriously is a moron.

[Dino Velvet]

I personally think guys should not judge girls because they dont look the way they imagine they should look. Trans women are judged daily and to be judge by people on forums like this can sting. So know that a girl can be trans without all the work. Maybe she doesnt have the money for doctors, hormones or surgeries. Hell, I struggled many years to get to look the way I wanted to with no money! So just remember if a girl doesnt post here, doesnt mean she cant see it!

Much love,
Michelle

I agree with this sexy lady here. Hey Michelle.:cheers:

[BraveHeartz]

I love Madison, she might not be taking any hormones but shit she's got the look nailed down already.


Newsflash: everyone here is a "filthy faggot" according to the GOP. lol


Seeing how they nearly broke the worlds economic system last week and really ruined America's presence on the world stage...

..I'll take that as a compliment.

[BellaBellucci]

Anyone who takes a forum seriously is a moron.

The internet is what you make of it. Depending on one's view, it can either be used as a tool of safe debate (because let's face it, people would get hurt if we had some of these discussions in public), or it can mean nothing, which it should when someone uses it for negativity. That doesn't make either view 'moronic.'

~BB~

[SisterDickRadio]

How was ur b day babe?

It was relaxing... plan on going to the movies tomorrow for it! LOL!

[Ben]

Newsflash: everyone here is a "filthy faggot" according to the GOP. lol

Exactly -- ha ha! It, sadly, is true though.

‪MADISON MONTAG at the BEACH!‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5-yBr272U)


(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEBRT_BfLcE)

[onmyknees]

BLAH BLAH BLAH! I don't need anyone rainin on my parade.. Instead of runnin your mouth FREDDY, how about you run down to Walgreens and pick up my prescription for hormones.. Last name "WADE" - Not in the mood to drive. Thanks. o_O



Idiot.


Now that's fuckin' funny !

[onmyknees]

Newsflash: everyone here is a "filthy faggot" according to the GOP. lol

Well I don't know about everyone, but there is a bunch of 'em on here !!lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Anyone who takes a forum seriously is a moron.
Maybe for the dudes, but for us a lot of shit goes on IRL. lol Let's face it. No matter how at each other's throats we may be in various situations, TS sexworkers are basically a 'small sewing circle'. ;-) Think of all the girls you personally get along with, and I guarantee there that are two who hate each other. lol

I think the real lesson is that cheap talk amounts to nothing.

[Nicole Dupre]

Ehhh, it might go on in real life but to be in tears because of other peoples criticisms who do not know you and have never seen you in real life is a tad depressing.
Down.

[Nicole Dupre]

Why? Who was in tears? Franklin? ;-) lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Well I don't know about everyone, but there is a bunch of 'em on here !!lol
They have no business labeling anyone a "faggot", considering all the skeletons they have in their closets.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'd like to line them all up on a polygraph, and see just who's sucked a dick.

http://patriotstatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mitch-mcconnell2.jpg
http://www.booksnj.org/slides/Steve%20Doocy.JPG
http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-rick-santorum-pink-tie.jpg

[robertlouis]

I'd like to line them all up on a polygraph, and see just who's sucked a dick.



In terms of relations with the military-industrial complex, twice a day at least.

[Birgitta]

Oh please, every tranny on here uses it lol.

I have to defend him for that.

Shemale is ignorant and only to girls not in the sex trade business.

Lexi is a man, no offense but that thing has the body of a young mike tyson.

And by default liking someone who is obviously male is leading high into homosexuality.

So what. First try and date a hetersexual man for longer then a year in a loving relationship before thinking you can be the only truely straight princess around here....
And besides, there are a lot of (feminine) woman (gg) with masculine features in their face

[Nicole Dupre]

So what. First try and date a hetersexual man for longer then a year in a loving relationship before thinking you can be the only truely straight princess around here....
And besides, there are a lot of (feminine) woman (gg) with masculine features in their face
How does dating a hetero man for a year make anyone a "straight princess"? lol Is that how you concluded you're one? ;-)

And I think saying someone has masculine features in their face, but they're feminine, makes no damn sense. Unless you're trying to insult Lexi, which I don't think was the case after what you said to Paris; what the hell does that mean? lol

[robertlouis]

For me this is very simple. What I or anyone else think Madison is or isn't is completely beside the point and irrelevant. It's only the obsessive fetishisation for labelling which plagues this site that could make anyone think that the answer to Franklin's original question (sorry Franklin) actually matters.

If she thinks, acts and feels like a transsexual, she is one. If she doesn't, she isn't.

See? That didn't hurt now, did it?

[maaarc]

For me this is very simple. What I or anyone else think Madison is or isn't is completely beside the point and irrelevant. It's only the obsessive fetishisation for labelling which plagues this site that could make anyone think that the answer to Franklin's original question (sorry Franklin) actually matters.

If she thinks, acts and feels like a transsexual, she is one. If she doesn't, she isn't.

See? That didn't hurt now, did it?

:iagree: well said my friend as usual

[TSLexiWade]

How does dating a hetero man for a year make anyone a "straight princess"? lol Is that how you concluded you're one? ;-)

And I think saying someone has masculine features in their face, but they're feminine, makes no damn sense. Unless you're trying to insult Lexi, which I don't think was the case after what you said to Paris; what the hell does that mean? lol

No need to insult me. I've done nothing.. :)

& calling me Mike Tyson is cute, thanks Paris.. But I'm certain I'm a white girl.

[mysterious.admirer77]

No need to insult me. I've done nothing.. :)

& calling me Mike Tyson is cute, thanks Paris.. But I'm certain I'm a white girl.
Yes, now no need to post half naked pics of yourself, please. Remember you're getting your own thread and you can post all the pictures of yourself you want. I don't even know why you do that.. Hoping someone will think you're hot and fishing for compliments on a thread that has nothing to do with you. I spy an attention whore. Don't worry, I'm sure Bella will create a nice new thread about you so please be patient and save the old pics for that thread. Thanks!

[TSLexiWade]

Yes, now no need to post half naked pics of yourself, please. Remember you're getting your own thread and you can post all the pictures of yourself you want. I don't even know why you do that.. Hoping someone will think you're hot and fishing for compliments on a thread that has nothing to do with you. I spy an attention whore. Don't worry, I'm sure Bella will create a nice new thread about you so please be patient and save the old pics for that thread. Thanks!


Um, in case you didn't notice - my name was brought up, so I think I have every right to post & respond.. Thank you so very much! And I'll post as many photos as I please; remember, I'm not hiding anything. *cough* What's your excuse, Madison?

I could save Bella the trouble & start it myself.. I'm certain you two would have a field day raking up shit about me. REMEMBER, I don't care what anyone thinks of me, this is my life and I haven't asked one of you to live it for me.. Thanks for your two cents tho. :jerkoff

Here... More photos for you to stare at! ENJOY! XOXOXOXO

[TSLexiWade]

Hmmm, guess all the girls in the forums are attention whores too since GIRLS POST THEIR PICS IN EVERY FORUM TO GENERATE PEOPLE TO THEIR SITE OR TO SHOW OFF!

Matter of fact let me be one too.


:iagree: :Bowdown:

[mysterious.admirer77]

Um, in case you didn't notice - my name was brought up, so I think I have every right to post & respond.. Thank you so very much! And I'll post as many photos as I please; remember, I'm not hiding anything. *cough* What's your excuse, Madison?

I could save Bella the trouble & start it myself.. I'm certain you two would have a field day raking up shit about me. REMEMBER, I don't care what anyone thinks of me, this is my life and I haven't asked one of you to live it for me.. Thanks for your two cents tho. :jerkoff

Here... More photos for you to stare at! ENJOY! XOXOXOXO
I'm obviously not Madison. Let's just say I'm a good friend of Darrell Washington. ;) I just don't understand why you keep posting pictures of yourself. Yes your name was brought up but are the pics necessary? I don't think so.. Are you really that insecure? You've progressed with your hormones but the second pic is totally photoshopped. I would know, I'm a graphic designer.

[mysterious.admirer77]

Hmmm, guess all the girls in the forums are attention whores too since GIRLS POST THEIR PICS IN EVERY FORUM TO GENERATE PEOPLE TO THEIR SITE OR TO SHOW OFF!

Matter of fact let me be one too.
Thunder thighs much? Lose 20 lbs or go anorexic then you will look good.

[TSLexiWade]

I'm obviously not Madison. Let's just say I'm a good friend of Darrell Washington. ;) I just don't understand why you keep posting pictures of yourself. Yes your name was brought up but are the pics necessary? I don't think so.. Are you really that insecure? You've progressed with your hormones but the second pic is totally photoshopped. I would know, I'm a graphic designer.


If you were a real "friend" of DARYL'S you'd know how to spell his name correctly? Just sayin.. YES, the second photo was photoshopped, does this make you smart? DUH. :geek: Liike, TOTALLY! o_O

Photos are ALWAYS necessary as they're each worth a million words. Sorry you're a coward hiding behind a screen; I am not. :)

Not insecure at all honey - I'm extremely happy with myself and who I am on the inside.

[jordyd19]

nope, not to me no hips, no tits, makeup n long hair doesnt complete it

[Nicole Dupre]

Nope, but men who mess with passable transsexuals I do not find to be homo's..
lolol :)

[Deimos]

Thunder thighs much? Lose 20 lbs or go anorexic then you will look good.

are you retarded?

[Birgitta]

How does dating a hetero man for a year make anyone a "straight princess"? lol Is that how you concluded you're one? ;-)

And I think saying someone has masculine features in their face, but they're feminine, makes no damn sense. Unless you're trying to insult Lexi, which I don't think was the case after what you said to Paris; what the hell does that mean? lol

no i think its stupid to call guys gay for dating twoman that would be somewhat masculine in appearence...when i look around me, i see a lot of girls that could be a ts...

It takes more then looks only to get into a relationship with a straight man...

[smartsense]

In my personal opinion, a transsexual is a person that is in the process of becoming a woman. Whether or not they decide to have SRS is up to them.

[0utrageousss]

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[onmyknees]

Um, in case you didn't notice - my name was brought up, so I think I have every right to post & respond.. Thank you so very much! And I'll post as many photos as I please; remember, I'm not hiding anything. *cough* What's your excuse, Madison?

I could save Bella the trouble & start it myself.. I'm certain you two would have a field day raking up shit about me. REMEMBER, I don't care what anyone thinks of me, this is my life and I haven't asked one of you to live it for me.. Thanks for your two cents tho. :jerkoff

Here... More photos for you to stare at! ENJOY! XOXOXOXOnsw

Yup...this lady is fucking sweet. What a hottie

[TSLexiWade]

I don't care what Madison is or what she claims to be, fact is she is a horrible person with a rotten attitude and a childish disposition.
She is obnoxious, vain and self centered. When she was here in Chicago she would go on and on and on about her "20-inch waist" and how she was "the next Kimber James", and also ragging on EVERY girl in TS porn. She also disclosed how she had tried to get with Mia Isabella's fiance, Sarina Valentina's boyfriend at the time, and one of Kimber James' exes.
Despite all this I tried my hardest to be a positive influence on her and give her good advice. I gave her several gifts as well, a 500$ Swarovski Crystal bracelt, $150 Coach sneakers and a 69$ palette of Christian Dior makeup. I even had Jasmine prepay her for a scene her and I were going to do for my website, for 800$. With that she bought a MacBook. When it came time to do the scene she was strung out on prescription meds and not into the scene. I declined to shoot with her, for OBVIOUS reasons! So I took the Macbook back and she didnt get payed. Sorry bout it but I'm not paying to shoot with someone strung out on drugs, for the price I could pay 3 male models and have 6 times the content form my website! From there Madison decided to delete me on Facebook and talk shit about me behind my back like a coward. She even went so far as to message me from Domenic Kanes Facebook page threatening me that I need to stop talking shit about her!
I will say what I want when I want to say it! Fact is, Madison is nothing but a gay boy who got dressed up 10 months ago soliciting bareback dick off of Craigslist and got off on the attention he got so he decided to make a weak attempt at transition! Thats a DUDE, right down to the way he talks and thinks. At 19, I had already had my own apartment, car and breast implants. Not because I'm better, but because I'm a good person who is also very hard working. Madison is a back stabber, a liar, pill-popper,attention whore and a scumbag who only got into the industry for more attention from men, which is the only reason he transitioned in the first place! These are all facts and that dude can CHECK HIMSELF.




POWWWWW! :dancing:

[WendyWilliams]

Double POWWWWWW,,,,,,,,,,,,,And there is the beginning of the story......Trust Ive been doing some pondering with people in LA and there is a whole bunch of stuff about Madison that is HILLARIOUS.........stay tuned!

[onmyknees]

I'd like to line them all up on a polygraph, and see just who's sucked a dick.

http://patriotstatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/mitch-mcconnell2.jpg
http://www.booksnj.org/slides/Steve%20Doocy.JPG
http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-rick-santorum-pink-tie.jpg

ND...ya know I luv ya baby...but this is an epic fail. WTF are you talkin' about ? We're talking about fags . How about a little reality? Ya know if this guy was running for mayor of your town, you'd be his biggest supporter. LMAO

[SisterDickRadio]

THATS A FUCKING TRIPLE POWWWWWW!!!!

Ashley you are a good person with a kind heart! I loved hanging out with you and cant wait to do it again! Sorry to hear all that happened. But Karma is a bitch and your Karma is going to go ten folds and for her, she will have to wait her day! I love you!!! Keep being you!

[Dino Velvet]

ND...ya know I luv ya baby...but this is an epic fail. WTF are you talkin' about ? We're talking about fags . How about a little reality? Ya know if this guy was running for mayor of your town, you'd be his biggest supporter. LMAO

I think Nicole might be right about Doocy. He probably has that smirk on his face even after somebody shoves their massive hog down his throat. He has a face made for a fist.

Here's Barney Frank with his 2 top advisers. Some scary looking eyes there.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DGct24CQ97I/TeB7sfCH8vI/AAAAAAAAE-4/R6KGpGZDUgU/s400/barnyfag.jpg

[0utrageousss]

Double POWWWWWW,,,,,,,,,,,,,And there is the beginning of the story......Trust Ive been doing some pondering with people in LA and there is a whole bunch of stuff about Madison that is HILLARIOUS.........stay tuned!

Haha Wendy you are the greatest. :) And thanks Michelle let's get together when I'm back in LA, would love to see you again :)

[onmyknees]

I think Nicole might be right about Doocy. He probably has that smirk on his face even after somebody shoves their massive hog down his throat. He has a face made for a fist.

Here's Barney Frank with his 2 top advisers. Some scary looking eyes there.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DGct24CQ97I/TeB7sfCH8vI/AAAAAAAAE-4/R6KGpGZDUgU/s400/barnyfag.jpg


Hey...That's ND's political soulmate...better chill Dino ! LMAO But I can't help but wonder Barney looked like an hour afer that pic was snapped. Can you say "airtight" ? LOL

[Dino Velvet]

But I can't help but wonder Barney looked like an hour afer that pic was snapped.

Probably like tjinla2001 after a trip to Santa Monica & Normandie.

[onmyknees]

Probably like tjinla2001 after a trip to Santa Monica & Normandie.

Oh fuck...that's funny shit. But wait till ND see this !!!!!!! LMFAO

[onmyknees]

I think I saw Barney in one of those bootleg vids..."Bukkake Barney"

[mimiplastique]

wow Ashley lovely pics . I would have thought that you would have learned your lesson by watching me be so giving and caring to people who are just in it for themselves but sometimes we all need to learn our lessons the HARD way .
It is very good to see that hung angels is still stuck in the dismal fantasy world where men take one side one week and flip over the next . It is also very humorous to me that the members here are still interested in being someone's Judge and jury . It is Brilliant !

[tsnajwa]

Get real, Franklin. lol You can do lots of things. But then, you can wait & see if anyone gives a rat's ass. lol

She's just a young tranny, dude. You joining a website doesn't let you qualify her either way, as male or female.

You act as if you bought a damn home, and you're not sure if you should let her live with you. lol
LOL! I agree with Nicole.. and hey different strokes for different folks..

[StlyeMeCunty]

LOL! This thread is a mess, but to me if you really feel that you are a woman, then you're a woman.

[robertlouis]

LOL! This thread is a mess, but to me if you really feel that you are a woman, then you're a woman.

Thank you sweety for stating the simple but obvious truth.

[Nicole Dupre]

LOL! This thread is a mess, but to me if you really feel that you are a woman, then you're a woman.
This whole board is is Buttfuckpalooza.

[AmyDaly]

Mods asleep at the wheel, post what ever you want!

[Nicole Dupre]

ND...ya know I luv ya baby...but this is an epic fail. WTF are you talkin' about ? We're talking about fags . How about a little reality? Ya know if this guy was running for mayor of your town, you'd be his biggest supporter. LMAO
He at least admits he's a faggot. And he doesn't want to cure or kill the LGBT community like the Republicans.

Plus, stop assuming I give a fuck about any of these child molesters. Don't drag me into this "party" bullshit. They can all kiss my ass.

[Erika1487]

I think I saw Barney in one of those bootleg vids..."Bukkake Barney"

OMG! lol I just out my coffee!

[Nicole Dupre]

You guys really have this pat-your-teammate-on-the-ass gay attitude with politics. lol

[0utrageousss]

LOL! This thread is a mess, but to me if you really feel that you are a woman, then you're a woman.

What if I tell you I'm the Easter Bunny?

[TSLexiWade]

THATS A FUCKING TRIPLE POWWWWWW!!!!

Ashley you are a good person with a kind heart! I loved hanging out with you and cant wait to do it again! Sorry to hear all that happened. But Karma is a bitch and your Karma is going to go ten folds and for her, she will have to wait her day! I love you!!! Keep being you!



"A FUCKING TRIPLE POWWWWWWWW!!!!"



:iagree:

I think I just pee'd myself from laughing so hard...jk. I love you so damn much! :)

[BellaBellucci]

Oy vey. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

He at least admits he's a faggot. And he doesn't want to cure or kill the LGBT community like the Republicans.

Plus, stop assuming I give a fuck about any of these child molesters. Don't drag me into this "party" bullshit. They can all kiss my ass.

No...he doesn't want to do that for sure, but he did want to be a part of his live in boyfriend operating a gay brothel out of thier house and then when asked essentially said.."who me ?" . Give me a fucking break baby..he's a degenerate and he's all yours. The rest of your post is strictly conjecture. Nobody want's to kill anybody. You're beginning to sound detached from reality. And the only thing I'm assumng is your ire is restricted to a certain party. Spread your love around for a change!

[Nicole Dupre]

No...he doesn't want to do that for sure, but he did want to be a part of his live in boyfriend operating a gay brothel out of thier house and then when asked essentially said.."who me ?" . Give me a fucking break baby..he's a degenerate and he's all yours. The rest of your post is strictly conjecture. Nobody want's to kill anybody. You're beginning to sound detached from reality. And the only thing I'm assumng is your ire is restricted to a certain party. Spread your love around for a change!
Then don't ask me what I think. I just told you I don't give a fuck about any of these child molesters, and I meant it. You just picked the most obviously hate-filled party. That's your issue and your obsession. I see the way you go ballistic on this shit 24/7. Well I'm a TS. So none of you or your politicians represent me the way they should anyway. Trust me. We think you're ALL full of shit, starting with the tea party homos.

[LittleGuy]

I thought onmykneesforcock and ND were buddies. What's going on around here?

[Nicole Dupre]

And ley me clarify, when I say HOMOS, I mean cowardly cocksucking fakes; bible thumpers, Catholic priests touching little boys, and their fan clubs of chumps.

Give me a big swishy REAL faggot over these political faggots any day.

[StlyeMeCunty]

What if I tell you I'm the Easter Bunny?

Then I say your getting lazy since I've seen my parents putting out the Easter candy for a long time now!

[onmyknees]

Then don't ask me what I think. I just told you I don't give a fuck about any of these child molesters, and I meant it. You just picked the most obviously hate-filled party. That's your issue and your obsession. I see the way you go ballistic on this shit 24/7. Well I'm a TS. So none of you or your politicians represent me the way they should anyway. Trust me. We think you're ALL full of shit, starting with the tea party homos.

I didn't ask you what you think....at least on politics...I don't give a fuck.....you're political views are not only irrelevant to me, but woefully predictable. You're the single most caustic and acidic person on here lately. You ain't dealing with Indeeda now. You sure the fuck like to dish it, but when it comes to taking a punch, you got a glass jaw baby. I like you, but you sure the fuck are humorless . So deal with that. I have no obsession other to point out obvious political ignorance. And if you don't like my comebacks, don't post your bullshit...And who's this "we" shit. You don't talk for anyone on here but your fucking self, so don't act like you're on some fucking team in here ....unless it's you and Phoun against the world.

And if you want the definition of ballistic, spend some time and re-read some of your posts. You've been pissy since you came back, and especially more so today. Did somebody leave the toilet seat down or something? .....maybe time for another hiatus?

So...there's my shot back.

[Nicole Dupre]

I didn't ask you what you think....at least on politics...I don't give a fuck.....you're political views are not only irrelevant to me, but woefully predictable. You're the single most caustic and acidic person on here lately. You ain't dealing with Indeeda now. You sure the fuck like to dish it, but when it comes to taking a punch, you got a glass jaw baby. I like you, but you sure the fuck are humorless . So deal with that. I have no obsession other to point out obvious political ignorance. And if you don't like my comebacks, don't post your bullshit...And who's this "we" shit. You don't talk for anyone on here but your fucking self, so don't act like you're on some fucking team in here ....unless it's you and Phoun against the world.

And if you want the definition of ballistic, spend some time and re-read some of your posts. You've been pissy since you came back, and especially more so today. Did somebody leave the toilet seat down or something? .....maybe time for another hiatus?

So...there's my shot back.
"We" are the people who's dicks you secretly suck before you vote for haters. Simple.

Beyond that, I told you that just because you have a thing for tattoos, I'm not necessarily your cup of tea.

And I watch these guys take you to task on your politics constantly. In fact, you just said the other day that McCain was for gay marriage, and he's not. So you're not an expert; just enthusiastic. I don't pretend to be an expert. But add up your political rants next to mine. You can count mine on one hand, and yours are all over the forum.

Jerk off, talk politics less. lol

[LittleGuy]

Wow....

[TSLexiWade]

I see Madison stopped responding.. Just when it was getting good. DAYUMM!

[Teydyn]

What if I tell you I'm the Easter Bunny?
In that case kudos to whoever did the hair removal... :D

[Nicole Dupre]

In that case kudos to whoever did the hair removal... :D
lol

‪Ba dum tssshhh‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI)