sin to speak against one marrying different race

[natina]

Exhibit A: Moses Marries a Black Woman

Aaron and Miriam’s Racial Discrimination Against Moses’ Wife: Numbers 12:1-16 – Moses’ brother Aaron and their sister Miriam spoke against Moses because of the ethnic identity of his wife. His wife was a Cushite, which means she was from the land of Cush (Num 12:1). The people were descendants of the son of Ham: Cush (see Genesis 10:6). The land of Cush is “south of Egypt, also called Nubia, which includes part of Sudan.”1 The word “Cush” in the Hebrew language of the original biblical text is simply translated “Ethiopia” by modern biblical scholars (Ex: NASB, Ezek. 29:10), though it is not equivalent to modern Ethiopia. The people who lived there were tall with “colored,” smooth skin (cf. Isaiah 18:2, 7; Jeremiah 13:23). In other words, Aaron and his sister Midian spoke against Moses because he married, in modern lingo, a “black” Ethiopian woman.

If ever there was an opportune time for God to teach against interracial marriages and turn this narrative into a parable of sorts—this was it. God could have taught Moses and the rest of the people of Israel a lesson by punishing Moses or at least speaking out against his marrying a woman of another race. However, instead of God pronouncing judgment on Moses for marrying this black woman, and thereby vindicating Miriam and Aaron, God instead struck Miriam with leprosy. The narrative presents the incident as God’s way of teaching a lesson to both Aaron and his sister Miriam for speaking out against Moses. Therefore, Aaron confessed his racial slanders against Moses as “sin” (Num 12:11) and begged that Moses not account their sin to them. Moses cried out on their behalf to God, asking God to heal Miriam of the leprosy. God was merciful to heal her, but He told Moses that she would have to bear her shame by being banished outside the camp for a week (Num 12:14-15).

Conclusion – In answering the question, “What does God think about interracial marriages?” biblically, we must say not only that God has never forbidden such marriages—and did not speak out against the most prominent OT saint for marrying a black Ethiopian woman—but we must also say that He considers it a “sin” to speak against anyone for marrying someone of a different race.2
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/

[Stavros]

Joseph Served in the Courts of Pharoah
-the first time that tennis is mentioned in The Holy Bible...

John the Baptist's Triumph was heard all over Jerusalem
-the first time a motor bike is mentioned in The Holy Bible, eat your hearts out Harley Davison!

Or go here:
http://www.facebook.com/TheLandofKush

[loveboof]

Wouldn't the more logical conclusion simply be that the bible is a load of ancient nonsense, and that if God exists at all; he certainly doesn't 'think' anything about the trivial minutiae of our lives... ?

[yodajazz]

Wouldn't the more logical conclusion simply be that the bible is a load of ancient nonsense, and that if God exists at all; he certainly doesn't 'think' anything about the trivial minutiae of our lives... ?
I think part of the lesson is the "trivial minutia" of our lives. Those tirvial things add up, when others agree and use it as a reason to condemn others. It's not exactly ancient nonsense, if the same issue is still on the table after 3500 years, is it?
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And it wasn't just individual lives that were taken, there were whole towns burned down, with lives lost, due to a interracial rape rumor, in one case.

Yes the Bible would be ancient nonsense, if we had long ago learned the lessons about human behaviors. 2000 years after Jesus told us to "love our neighbors as we love ourselves", people are still stuggling with that. Bible stories are most often allegorical. So it's not so much about if the story is exactly true, its about the lessons they teach.

Thanks for the Bible lesson, Natina.

[yodajazz]

Joseph Served in the Courts of Pharoah
-the first time that tennis is mentioned in The Holy Bible...


Not sure if your interpetation is right. For some people, "serving" means selling drugs on the street to others. But yours does make sense.

[natina]

PROOF that JESUS is real without using religion


Did Jesus Exist?

thedevineevidence.com/​jesus_history.html

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

In this section, we will examine 1st and 2nd century sources which verify Jesus
as an actual man of history (not a compilation of pagan myths as some critics
allege). Each of the following sections offer their own advantages: the
non-Christian sources are important as they had nothing to gain by their
admissions. On the other hand, the Christian witness had everything to lose-
many paying for their testimony with their lives.

The outline we will be following for this discussion is as follows:
1) Secular Sources (Documentary)
2) Secular Sources (Commentary)
3) Jewish Sources (Non-Christian)
4) Extra-Biblical Sources (Christian)
5) Answering Common Skeptic Questions Concerning Jesus' existence
6) Conclusion

This video is a presentation of the evidence for the existence of Jesus.
It uses only non- biblical sources and goes through the skeptical arguments for each claim.

It will be surprising for some to see how much evidence for the historicity of Jesus there actually is, in fact there is more evidence for Jesus' existence, as you will see, than there is for most of the prominent figures in ancient history.

*Warning*
Watching this video will take away your ability to claim honestly that Jesus was a myth




Did Jesus Exist? on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/10976448)




YouTube - &#x202a;Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4)&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0)

[natina]

Parallels Between Jesus and Horus an Egyptian Sun God


YouTube - &#x202a;Parallels Between Jesus and Horus an Egyptian Sun God&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZMHOdLEuU)

[loveboof]

2000 years after Jesus told us to "love our neighbors as we love ourselves", people are still stuggling with that. Bible stories are most often allegorical. So it's not so much about if the story is exactly true, its about the lessons they teach.

Yes and 500 years before Jesus was born, Confucius famously taught 'never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself'. And before that, various ancient Greek philosophers said the same (e.g Pittacus - 'do not to your neighbour what you would take ill from him'). et al.

It is the same for pretty much every part of the Bible. It's just a combination of previous myths and teachings, or the fulfillment of prophecies.

Of course there is wisdom to be learnt from the Bible, but there is equally wisdom to be learnt from the works of Shakespeare...

[loveboof]

Parallels Between Jesus and Horus an Egyptian Sun God

Yes, and there are many other parallels too (Krishna, Dionysus, etc). The video you linked seemed to be showing clips from the film Zeitgeist, here is a clip of the section about Horus:

(I'm not sure how these connections could help prove Jesus's existence though, surely they can only work to refute the claims made about his life?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtRt4fnHFWw

[Jericho]

John the Baptist's Triumph was heard all over Jerusalem
-the first time a motor bike is mentioned in The Holy Bible, eat your hearts out Harley Davison!

Bet Racer's pissing himself at that...Fukkin hooligan! :dancing:

[natina]

Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4)

YouTube - &#x202a;Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4)&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0)

YouTube - &#x202a;Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (2 of 4)&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqlFkGaDV_M&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)


YouTube - &#x202a;Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (3 of 4)&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qUcXXbde4w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)


YouTube - &#x202a;Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (4 of 4)&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGb3pOq8ihc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)

[yodajazz]

Yes and 500 years before Jesus was born, Confucius famously taught 'never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself'. And before that, various ancient Greek philosophers said the same (e.g Pittacus - 'do not to your neighbour what you would take ill from him'). et al.

It is the same for pretty much every part of the Bible. It's just a combination of previous myths and teachings, or the fulfillment of prophecies.

Of course there is wisdom to be learnt from the Bible, but there is equally wisdom to be learnt from the works of Shakespeare...

It's not that important if some else was earlier or similar. The most important thing is if it has meaning to you. An analogy would the numerous weight-loss diets. There are many similarities between the diets. And if you desire you can pick and choose parts of each. But each one is about achieving a goal. For me, the goal of spirituality, is a happier and productive life now, irrespective of the afterlife.

I understand that Shakespeare has lots of meaning, but the Bible has maybe 2 billion followers. And there are numerous theological schools that center on the teaching and understanding of of it. But following the Bible still gives one choice over which principles apply, in a given situation. The way to get more understanding between people, is to show those that believe in the Word, those passages that promote acceptance and understanding, as is the purpose why this thread was started. Lots of people who believe in the Bible have been against inter-racial marriage.

[loveboof]

It's not that important if some else was earlier or similar. The most important thing is if it has meaning to you [...] For me, the goal of spirituality, is a happier and productive life now, irrespective of the afterlife.

[...] But following the Bible still gives one choice over which principles apply, in a given situation. The way to get more understanding between people, is to show those that believe in the Word, those passages that promote acceptance and understanding, as is the purpose why this thread was started.
I think it is important if someone else was earlier. Firstly because it shows us where the men who wrote the gospels found their ideas, and secondly because it proves to us that morality works without religion! Those other examples were philosophers - they didn't need divine intervention to teach us those ideas...

If the Bible was just a text like the works of Shakespeare, then yes, people would have a choice over which parts to learn from or which sections could apply to them. However, it is not just a book - it is a 'holy' book, controlled by religions. It is these organisations which tell the individuals what principles are important, and it is these same organisations which edit and censor parts of the Bible as they see fit (there are many such examples of this through out history).

This is the truth of the authority of scripture. It is immeasurably far from infallible!

Unfortunately there is so much hate and violence in the Bible, that those passages which really do promote acceptance and understanding are completely overwhelmed. You cannot blaim a truly religious person for bigotry, prejudice, or superiority, because that is a 'correct' interpretation of their scripture.

It is time people started to wake up and recognise that these bronze age myths are nothing but an ancient means for control. Whatever good they can bring, aside from being unnecessary in our modern secular society, has been undermined a hundred fold through their disgusting history of violence and manipulation (which still continues to this day, and will continue into our future).

Finally, I'm not sure the purpose of this thread is anything other than to troll given natina's style of posts. How about responding to my words natina, rather than spamming pointless and irrelevant videos?

[edit: I'm glad your spirituality has made you happy, but people need to know the true nature of these things which are so revered. I believe religion has been and still is a very dangerous thing, which parts people from their rationality!]

[BlowjobPenn]

So Moses liked Dark Chocolate? I can't really blame him :)

It's amazing to think that interracial marriages were banned in the US up until the 60s, I bet this bible verse would of been very useful then.

[Helvis2012]

A little knowledge can be dangerous. You prove that.

[natina]

Exhibit A: Moses Marries a Black Woman

Aaron and Miriam’s Racial Discrimination Against Moses’ Wife: Numbers 12:1-16 – Moses’ brother Aaron and their sister Miriam spoke against Moses because of the ethnic identity of his wife. His wife was a Cushite, which means she was from the land of Cush (Num 12:1). The people were descendants of the son of Ham: Cush (see Genesis 10:6). The land of Cush is “south of Egypt, also called Nubia, which includes part of Sudan.”1 The word “Cush” in the Hebrew language of the original biblical text is simply translated “Ethiopia” by modern biblical scholars (Ex: NASB, Ezek. 29:10), though it is not equivalent to modern Ethiopia. The people who lived there were tall with “colored,” smooth skin (cf. Isaiah 18:2, 7; Jeremiah 13:23). In other words, Aaron and his sister Midian spoke against Moses because he married, in modern lingo, a “black” Ethiopian woman.

If ever there was an opportune time for God to teach against interracial marriages and turn this narrative into a parable of sorts—this was it. God could have taught Moses and the rest of the people of Israel a lesson by punishing Moses or at least speaking out against his marrying a woman of another race. However, instead of God pronouncing judgment on Moses for marrying this black woman, and thereby vindicating Miriam and Aaron, God instead struck Miriam with leprosy. The narrative presents the incident as God’s way of teaching a lesson to both Aaron and his sister Miriam for speaking out against Moses. Therefore, Aaron confessed his racial slanders against Moses as “sin” (Num 12:11) and begged that Moses not account their sin to them. Moses cried out on their behalf to God, asking God to heal Miriam of the leprosy. God was merciful to heal her, but He told Moses that she would have to bear her shame by being banished outside the camp for a week (Num 12:14-15).

Conclusion – In answering the question, “What does God think about interracial marriages?” biblically, we must say not only that God has never forbidden such marriages—and did not speak out against the most prominent OT saint for marrying a black Ethiopian woman—but we must also say that He considers it a “sin” to speak against anyone for marrying someone of a different race.2
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/
http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/exhibit-a-moses-marries-a-black-woman/

[loveboof]

Wow natina must have a pretty bad case of Alzheimer's...

(this thread should be moved to the religion / politics section)