Why GG's are better than TG's

[Vicki Richter]

Why GG's are better than TG's

GG women are less mental: Every TS thinks she's a diva. Just the fact that they use the word diva should tell you something about TS.

GG women are Universally better educated: While there are a lot of uneducated women, I would say that, proportionate to the population, more GG's have higher levels of education than TS. At least the shemale contingent. Women have higher college education rates than men as well. Education doesn't make someone better... it just makes them more enlightened in many ways.

GG women = Less drama: I've had maybe a dozen casual to close GG friends (not lovers) and I never have issues with them except that I'm not spending enough time with them, calling them back, etc. I never have to worry about a call on my voicemail or email telling me what a cunt I am or accusing me of doing off the wall things which aren't true. I sincerely feel for guys like Gregg who only date TS. What a hell to put yourself through.

GG women = casual sex: It is much more likely to find GG women who don't expect compensation for sex. In other words, most shemales are escorts or porn performers or... this makes sex mean something completely different to most of these women. Any psychiatrist(sp) will tell people of the long term damage sex for money or working in the adult industry will do to people, women in particular. In other words, you are much more likely to have a monogymous relationship with a GG.

GG women are less likely to steal your wallet

Why Pre-op TG's are better than GG's

Well we have a dick... well some of us. But the ones who don't used to.

Definitely TG women are better in bed and likely more into sex in general

Anal sex... any way you slice it... it is hotter and nastier and that goes both ways. More women will do anal these days, all but one of my GG friends have tried it and half really like it. However, when it comes to bi-directional anal... well strap ons aren't the same are they?

Tied:

Both are as likely to cheat on men and rip their hearts out

Both are as likely to be jealous or envious of one another

Both are just as likely to talk shit about each other behind the others backs

Both can be equally beautiful... although, the edge here goes to GG's at the highest end... TG's win back some for effort.

Both are equally vindictive and potentially evil when they feel they've been wronged. I just heard a story the other day of a TS calling a long term boyfriends wife to tell her how much more he liked sex with her... Women might remove your penis though... It's all relative.


Feel free to add your own as part of Christmas cheer.

[lahabra1976]

GG better than TG

Also a big one for some, GG can have children

This one is relative, GG have a vagina (this would be a disadvantage for guys that like to bottom)

[Vicki Richter]

GG better than TG

Also a big one for some, GG can have children

This one is relative, GG have a vagina (this would be a disadvantage for guys that like to bottom)

Good ones... Also, if you guys disagree with anything I've said, please share.

[BlackAdder]

It is much more likely to find GG women who don't expect compensation for sex. In other words, most shemales are escorts or porn performers or... this makes sex mean something completely different to most of these women. Any psychiatrist(sp) will tell people of the long term damage sex for money or working in the adult industry will do to people, women in particular. In other words, you are much more likely to have a monogymous relationship with a GG.



This part seems to be true. In a way though, unless its a total one night stand, your going to be paying for it in one way or another...maybe not monetary but definetly some form of compensation:)>

I certainly agree that long term damage takes place to a womens psyche when working in the sex industry. I dont know about the monogamous part, but theres a TON of fallout from the sex industry that makes me avoid targetting sex workers as potential mates or even dating material. Im not shooting from the hip either; I used to drive escorts for an agency and was able to see first hand how it changed someone, and how they vehemently deny such change...lol..whateva....

[lahabra1976]

Thanks. I think most of what you said is pretty much on-track

Oh one more, at least in the US, but this one is relative again...You can marry GG

Not sure if that is good because now she owns half of your possessions...and when you are married, no matter how much money you make, you can never be rich because your SO will take your "extra" money to go shopping :( and :)

A sad face because you are broke and happy face because she is happy and looks like a princess

[Quinn]

GG better than TG
Also a big one for some, GG can have children


This one can go the other way, too. For someone like me who doesn't ever want to have children, TGs offer an advantage because they can't.

-Quinn

[BeardedOne]

Why GG's are better than TG's

*Snip*

Feel free to add your own as part of Christmas cheer.

My experience tends to contradict yours in a few places, Vicki.

Re: 'Mental', I'll counter that with 'psycho'. I've found, in my personal misadventures, that GGs have a genetic predisposition to be schizophrenic, game-playing psychos who will lie about 'love' and 'friendship' as easily as I might say "I'm from the government and promise not to put the check in your mouth". This varies by degree and method, but has a 99% tell rate in my encounters over the past thirty years.

While TGs are as likely to fit this same mold, my experience, to date, has not yet proven thusly. Watch this space for further developments.

Re: 'GG women = Less drama'. See above.

Re: 'GG women = casual sex'. I might agree on this but for the fact that I don't have a fair benchmark to make a comparison. Since I've reached a point where $$ is the only way I'll even go near a woman these days (It reduces the pointless game-playing to a basic business transaction), I'm no longer qualified to do the study.

Re: 'GG women are less likely to steal your wallet'. No, but they will blissfully give it away and tell you about it later, mystified as to why you would be so upset by its departure.

As to your 'Both' picks, I can agree wholeheartedly on the GG side and can pretty much agree on the TG side, based on ones I know and some long-range observation. But then, the same can be said of most men as well, so all variations are covered.

Hunh. That was fun. I think I'll go gargle with some Drain-O now. :soapbox

[lahabra1976]

I think point is really beginning to unravel here...GG traits are generally better for the general person, but there is a lot of individual variation. What is good for one person may not be for the other?

for example, about children, Quinn don't like children so he likes it that TG can't have children...however, I do like children, so I don't like that

I think this post is great because we can see the individual variation on preferences...which makes it good that there are tg because it gives something for those who are looking for something eccentric

[Vicki Richter]

TS's seem to age better than GG's.

TS's tend to appreciate their womanhood more, and dress better than GG's.

TS's tend to dislike and insult each other, and act like the characters in the movie "Show Girls" more.

GG's usually need less validation from men.

GG's get pregnant, and therefore tend to get fat.

TS's never menstruate, and are usually hornier than GG's.

TS's are better drivers than GG's.

TS's tend to be quicker w/ sarcasm.

I think it was Raquelle Rayes who apparently sticks a bloody tampon in herself on a monthly basis to simulate mestruation... That is certainly not the norm.

I disagree on TS dressing better. If you compare women dressing in str8 clubs vs TS clubs, there is a whole classier element in any straight club. I've been absolutely shocked at what some TS dress like in public. Also there was this special which TSNTX was part of which showed the transition of various TS women through surgery. One of the TS on that show was wearing a half shirt... literally well above her belly button into a professional office environment. She didn't have the body to pull it off and it was totally inappropriate attire.

haha about Show Girls... My first TS friend - Arika in LA made me watch Show Girls with her the first time I ever saw it. She kept saying which character I was and which one she was... It was cute, but very funny to hear you mention it. That goes back to my divas comment. All the girls think they are frigging Madonna or something. It's really ridiculous how many TS act and talk. The worst thing is when I see girls totally able to communicate like a normal person getting sucked into the TS thing and totally changing the way they talk. It even happens to guys... (haha Megabody)

[Vicki Richter]

I think point is really beginning to unravel here...GG traits are generally better for the general person, but there is a lot of individual variation. What is good for one person may not be for the other?

for example, about children, Quinn don't like children so he likes it that TG can't have children...however, I do like children, so I don't like that

I think this post is great because we can see the individual variation on preferences...which makes it good that there are tg because it gives something for those who are looking for something eccentric

You can always adopt a child like Angelina Jolie. Also some women can't have children. Finally, you can kidnap children, pretend they are yours, get caught, and then goto jail for a long time.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Generalizations of a group are always bad-period.

Prefferences are different, and opinions should be gathered not as a group- but as an individuals.

Awful and great human beings come in all genders, colora, races- etc.

Im not a transsexual who dislikes women, or who thinks tg's are better than anyone. I have friends who are men not into tranny's, that are into both, those that are into just trannys- I have gg friends, post and pre op friends, drg queen friends, gay friends- and their merrit of frienship is not based on who they are not what they are. I have a transsexual friend who has a PHD in art history and comes from a very wealthy family, i have a gg friend who is a high school graduate and works as a bartender.

Final comment- everyone is different.

[lahabra1976]

You can always adopt a child like Angelina Jolie. Also some women can't have children. Finally, you can kidnap children, pretend they are yours, get caught, and then goto jail for a long time.

Yea, I agree Vicki, adopting children is an alternative. But one thing I like about having chidren is that you get to see how they look coming from your genes and your SO genes. So basically you just want to see them when they are born to see how they look (having their mother's eyes, their father's nose, ect).

Than after that rest is suffering: changing diapers, spending on your savings to feed them, than have them grow up and tell you how you weren't a good parent. Hack you can have a son these days and he may end up being a girl later in life. All that just so you can have that happy moment at their birth. A fair trade indeed ;)

P.S. Is Angelina Jolie not able to have children?

[Vicki Richter]

It is not a generalization to talk about education levels, attitudes, etc. There are always exceptions but say that 90% of the time these generalizations are correct. 10% of the time they are not.

I think where the areas are put in better or worse... I could give you that those are somewhat generalizations... I'm sure some men like uneducated girls because they are easier to manipulate.

Some men hate anal sex so that wouldn't be a plus.

Some people like or dislike children...

However, I would stand by my own rankings.

[slinky]

You can always adopt a child like Angelina Jolie.

Where can I adopt a child like Angelina Jolie?

(feeling a little Woody Allen today).

[BeardedOne]

You can always adopt a child like Angelina Jolie.

Where can I adopt a child like Angelina Jolie?

(feeling a little Woody Allen today).

:lol: :lol:

Here, let me help you out...Which way did you come in? :lol:

[blahblahblah]

T-ladies, please do not compare Yourselves with GG's, it's so pathetic..
To be honest with You, from a str8 man's point of view, nothing can
replace a truly beautiful GG and You are only some kind of funny sexual
nasty taboo thing worth trying out sometimes.. And please don't hate me
for that, I'm only being honest with You.

[lahabra1976]

Well McManaman, the most of the world would probably agree with you, but remember, not all would agree with you. There are some guys on here he really like tgirls and some that prefer tgirls. We are simply discussing the different points of view.

[slinky]

Which one is better?

The one who is with you and treats you nicely.

Everything else comes in second.

[hillbilly]

it can't just be shitty luck that i've had with TG's so i personally don't consider some of these things generalizations.

TG's always want money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) has never asked for money

TG's call you at all hours vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) can read time

TG's fabricate elaborate stories that would give Steven King a run for his money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) don't need to fabricate stories they have real ones

TG's think of themselves first and foremost vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have hearts and unlaced blood coursing throught their veins

TG's need someone to sign their leases vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have/has credit

yeah i'm down on the TG's this year. its been in steady decline for a couple of years.

[hillbilly]

the three commandments to being a tranny.

1. BEG
2. BORROW (cough)
3. STEAL

come on you know you've been there.

[BeardedOne]

Wow, this sounds just like all the GGs I've known.

"TG's always want money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) has never asked for money"

I've never known a GG to turn down money, especially when it isn't theirs.

"TG's call you at all hours vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) can read time"

My ex (GG) can read time. She likes to call between midnite and two AM because she knows I have to get up for work at 3 AM. She calls in the middle of the day on my days off, when I'm sleeping. :x

"TG's fabricate elaborate stories that would give Steven King a run for his money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) don't need to fabricate stories they have real ones"

And many are painfully dull or inaccurate or start like "One time, at band camp..." One girl kept telling me about how Stephen King was married to Vanna White until I told her that Tabitha hated it when people called her 'Vanna White'.

"TG's think of themselves first and foremost vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have hearts and unlaced blood coursing throught their veins"

My last girlfriend (GG) had a heart. It was grey and cold and was hard as a macadam sidewalk.

"TG's need someone to sign their leases vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have/has credit"

Most of the GGs I know actually do have credit. Most have even managed to get as high as 475 on the FICO scale. They can sign a lease but can't get a loan large enough to buy a candy bar.

But, hey, I'm generalizing. 8)

[hillbilly]

haha sorry to hear that man. my brother picks out loser GGs too.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Macmanasshole you are a complete ignorant, moronic, asshole for writing such stupidity. You nasty fuck-what the fuck are you doing on this board?

Take a look in the mirror before you decide to put anyone down houndog.

Its fucked up men like you in this community who I can not stand. Your the in the closet, freak who wants to suck a dick and get fucked in the ass, but can't come to terms with it, so you have to degrade the transsexuals to make yourself feel better.

I see this kind of behaviour in men all the time. Men, who can not accet themselves, and who have major tranny issues often are mysoginist towards transsexuals and treat them badly as well. I would not be surprised if you had issues with women as well.

You are the enemy of this community. You are the nasty taboo- the trash- the garbage- the bottom feeder who objectifies, de-humanizes, and degrades transsexual women to make your sexuality feel better.

GET THE FUCK OF THIS BOARD MARICON.

And I hope this doe not come off as rude- but hillbilly- if you are trying to date some young babe, and you are a a more mature gentleman- what kind of relationship exactly are you expecting.

goldiggers come in all forms- women, ts, AND MEN.

AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE AT YOUR TS COMMANDMENTS.

I have my own goddamn money, and I have not had to beg, borrow, or steal it. I work hard to make my living and i dont need to ask a man for money, i certainly don't call people at all hours unless they are close friends, and i have my own lease- thank you very much. There is a difference between selfish and looking out for yourself.

[suchgreatheights]

I don't think I can deny some TS embody the worst stereotypes in women but alot of it is due to the upbringing and social conditioning. The thread topic is right that its likely that a GG is better than a TS, but I feel its not an entirely fair comparison, I think GG's can be as bad or worse off if they go through what we go through. (this is a neat thread though)

I don't think GG's have to deal with many things TS's go through growing up, and the pressure may be two fold, one from family and one from peers. And there's alot of social/sexual frustration involved as well during the adolescence where it can be hard to be a gay where you always wonder if your crushes are gay but its worst when you're TS - you're likely to be more confused and reluctant to reveal your feelings - I was pretty romantically void in my teen years and only having close friends helped it somewhat (there were really only 2 ostracised groups in my teen circles in terms of having a bf/gf - most were fat/ugly or gender variant people).

The point here is that it is already socially awkward from the start of teenhood and when you deal with such common BGR issues in adulthood which people have already learned when younger, the reactions might manifest in totally immature fashion.

Its less likely for the average guy to treat TS's better before they transition since they are a marginalized class of sorts when presenting as overtly feminine guys. I usually tried alot to please guys when younger unlike my GG peers who had guys wanting to do things for them. This social dynamic changes so much when you start presenting as a girl that it becomes quite a dizzying experience.

When guys start to treat you better and when they offer you compliments/ money / gifts for companionship this complicates things in the long run, and the negative part at times is that TSs turn from someone who starts out as very eager to get a guy's attention into a more choosy person. I think this is an obvious reason why ego's can be so easily inflated.

GG's rather go through a more gradual process and many have mothers who probably advise them about boy-girl relationships, and they are more likely from the start to have been dealing with guys since a much younger age. Its more likely that they leave home at a much later age compared to TS's the same age and I think they are probably more careful about sex since they can get pregnant so its a bigger deal.

Sometimes there's also a misconception that we like meaningless sex or only involve sex with money - I think everyone would like to have meaningful sex but I think the difficulty to get meaningful relationships before you're sufficiently transitioned which hurts future chances of one. When the limited options left then such as meaningless sex are exercised - which I feel in interim, is better than nothing and sometimes it is even validating either through the money earned or emotional satisfaction, and its easy to get used to such treatment as well.

In addition, I think GG's are more likely going to meet more men who are willing to want to invest time and secure a long term future with them than a TS who is more likely to meet guys wanting to figure themselves out, get an experience or one nighter. Its really easier to get jaded when such things happen and the only empirical benefit then would be material stuff.

Aside from these issues, good looks change the equation completely whether GG or TS and I think those who get used to privileges due to looks tend to be more choosy and their character flaws are more willingly overlooked by admirers.

In all its likely a guy would be better off dating a GG, the relationships between a TS is more risky - if it turns out well I think it can be much better than one with a GG (chance of getting a TS who is a bra burning feminist who doesn't shave underarms is much lower) but it can be bad with someone who is used to being pampered which I think can happen either way, but more likely to a TS. I hope I'm making sense of this.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Macmanasshole you are a complete ignorant, moronic, asshole for writing such stupidity. You nasty fuck-what the fuck are you doing on this board?

Take a look in the mirror before you decide to put anyone down houndog.

Its fucked up men like you in this community who I can not stand. Your the in the closet, freak who wants to suck a dick and get fucked in the ass, but can't come to terms with it, so you have to degrade the transsexuals to make yourself feel better.

I see this kind of behaviour in men all the time. Men, who can not accet themselves, and who have major tranny issues often are mysoginist towards transsexuals and treat them badly as well. I would not be surprised if you had issues with women as well.

You are the enemy of this community. You are the nasty taboo- the trash- the garbage- the bottom feeder who objectifies, de-humanizes, and degrades transsexual women to make your sexuality feel better.

GET THE FUCK OF THIS BOARD MARICON.

And I hope this doe not come off as rude- but hillbilly- if you are trying to date some young babe, and you are a a more mature gentleman- what kind of relationship exactly are you expecting.

goldiggers come in all forms- women, ts, AND MEN.

AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE AT YOUR TS COMMANDMENTS.

I have my own goddamn money, and I have not had to beg, borrow, or steal it. I work hard to make my living and i dont need to ask a man for money, i certainly don't call people at all hours unless they are close friends, and i have my own lease- thank you very much. There is a difference between selfish and looking out for yourself.

Very well said Allanah! And funny too if I might add. LOL.http://www.anikaos.com/0018-chikas_kaoani/chikas_pink45.gif

This is the kind of "Attitude" anyone can feel/vibe a mile away and he is surprise himself why most TS or GG he meets give him back that type of attitude he is complaining of. LOL. Social climbers, gold diggers and parasites exist in all walks of life! You simply cannot generalize people period!

~Kisses.http://www.anikaos.com/0032-kao_licca_kao-ani/kao_licca_kao-ani_25.gif

HTG

[flabbybody]

I'm sure Macman is a proper gentleman living in Shitsville, USA with 3.2 children and a totally asexual wife. he's made his tax exempt contribution to his racist Christian church and considers himself a very righeous American.
the last time he's fucked his wife was during the Reagan Administration. he craves sucking dick and comes to HA to put down our community cause he feels it makes him less of the total closet faggot that he is.

sorry I piled on to your post Allanah.

[hillbilly]

oh please Allanah why take offense if it simply does not apply to you? i just don't get that. you know you would say the same.

and no i am not a "mature gentleman" haha but thanks for interjecting that fiction. i just love how that is always the out to any of these arguments.

its generally the same you're either "mature", ugly, or what not. like that is an excuse for girls lack of good conscience? if you're one of these things then you need to be taken advantage of?

you all know too well that it is beg, borrow(you'll never get it back), steal. you especially Allanah. the party and all of them for that matter would not survive without that premise.

as J said in some other random post to someone "what do you think she paid to come in and meet you?" or something to that affect.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

most agreed flabby

why i think this is macmanasshole right here...

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1420039

[hillbilly]

she cute!

[suchgreatheights]

T-ladies, please do not compare Yourselves with GG's, it's so pathetic..
To be honest with You, from a str8 man's point of view, nothing can
replace a truly beautiful GG and You are only some kind of funny sexual
nasty taboo thing worth trying out sometimes.. And please don't hate me
for that, I'm only being honest with You.

U're the reason why some girls can get jaded over guys, whether or not TS or GG. Not that I believe that you can get beautiful GGs without paying for it.

[The American Nightmare]

oh please Allanah why take offense if it simply does not apply to you?
Let's break this down. You start off saying all transsexuals steal. Then you say that it doesn't apply to everyone. But then you go right back (in the very same post) to making blanket statements again.

I'd advise you to choose your words more carefully, or be prepared to make a lot of apologies.

[hillbilly]

oh shut up Nightmare thats not what i said. that's not even in there. you put that in there.

so what's your opinion? or do you just have opinions on mine?

apologize for what?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

hillbilly- i remember meeting you in person and pardon my saying- but you seemed mature. i'm not assu,ing you are old- just not my type.

and you did aplly what u said to ALL transsexuals.

i have no need to argue. gunny how you put down my parties- yt you used to go to them. darling- i am selling a product- allanah starr- she is commodity. my traget audience and consumers? men. i am a business person with a heart, as i am very kind to all who work for me, customers, and people who spend their money on me or my products. i appreciate everyone- unless i have a reason not to.

NOW- you don't know me personally, or have been in contact with me on a personal level- or now nothign about my relationships. that is a privalege i give to very few. i say privalege- because knowin someone intimately, whether it me me or jow blow is a privalege.

you might have had bad luck but thats exclusive to your experiences. i can say a lot of bad things about men and my experiences as well- but that would apply to all men would it?

[scipio]

I think the whole issue boils down to what you want.

Firstly all the generalizations about TS (or GG) are just wrong.
In fact, they're insulting.

But I will tell you this. A real TS is more feminine than a GG.
Most of the TS that I know have had to go to great lengths to establish their femininity. I don't mean "look what they've gone through, blah blah" (although certainly they have), I mean they've actually made a study of what is feminine and consciously learned it, adopted it, and become it. It makes them more feminine than most GG who are (in a broad generalization) becoming less feminine on the whole, and tend to take it for granted.

[The American Nightmare]

oh shut up Nightmare thats not what i said. that's not even in there. you put that in there.
The blanket statements are in there. I'll point them out.


the three commandments to being a tranny.


the party and all of them for that matter would not survive without that premise. (emphasis mine)

It certainly looks like you're trying to refer to all transsexuals. If you are not, choose your words more carefully.

[hillbilly]

huh? whateve man.

all of them refers to all of the other parties ass.

you aren't even talking about what you quoted me on in your last post. so yeah ok.

i'm not even sure why you feel like you need to tell me how to choooooose my words.

ok then. good luck dishing out these lessons.

[The American Nightmare]

all of them refers to all of the other parties ass.
So you've met all the girls at the party?

Let me explain this as clearly as I possibly can.

You have made some negative comments about transsexuals. Some have read these comments, and get the feeling that you were referring to all transsexuals.

Is this what you meant to say?

[hotfireman69]

Personally, I have only met 3 tg's and all three were wonderfully fenimine and more lady like than any GG that I have know. As said earlier in the post, the TG goes through so much to be a lady, that I do not think they would waste their time for that. I know I get fustrated that most of the (BEAUTIFUL) TG's that you would love to have as a life long partner seem to be escorts, or in the porn industry, but isn't it the same way with GG's, we all lust after the ones we can't have (Victoria Secret Models). I for one find the TG's much more attractive, and would give anything to find such a lady, but alas, I live in the rural country and there are none around to meet, so I am relagated to sites such as this, (which I love by the way) or going to the bigger cities to be with an escort. To me comparing the two GG and TG is like comparing apples to oranges....ALLANAH, you keep up the good work and keep telling it like it is......

[lahabra1976]

My ex (GG) can read time. She likes to call between midnite and two AM because she knows I have to get up for work at 3 AM. She calls in the middle of the day on my days off, when I'm sleeping. :x

)

LOL...this one made me laugh my ass off, reminds me off an ex girlfriend. Truth of the matter is that whether gg or tgirls, people are different, you have the good, the bad, and the ugly. Look at Gia and Allanah, I would consider them good people and tgirls.

[Trogdor]

I think the whole issue boils down to what you want.

Firstly all the generalizations about TS (or GG) are just wrong.
In fact, they're insulting.

But I will tell you this. A real TS is more feminine than a GG.
Most of the TS that I know have had to go to great lengths to establish their femininity. I don't mean "look what they've gone through, blah blah" (although certainly they have), I mean they've actually made a study of what is feminine and consciously learned it, adopted it, and become it. It makes them more feminine than most GG who are (in a broad generalization) becoming less feminine on the whole, and tend to take it for granted.

I agree with you there. Living in the Midwest, Southeast Michigan to be exact, a large majority of women here are everything BUT feminie. Alot of them makes you feel like you're with your brother or something. Not to mention many of them pretty much wanna make "Men are all pigs!" with the signs written in man-blood. :roll: And on appearences......the only ones who show it off are these fat, out of shape, inner-city sweat-hogs that wear baby-doll tees with roll upon roll hanging over their pants, which by the way, are also not ment for them to wear. And the cute girls over here all dress and act as if they were raised by nuns. When taking one out, they won't even let you kiss em unless you slip a ring on their finger. and the fact that many of these girls' idea of a hot night is just them having you do em in the missionary postion and just lay there like a bearskin rug does not help either. And if you wanna try anything remotely different.......they look at you like you are Quagmire from Family Guy.

And from personal experience, many GG's have always teased me, wanting to go out, have fun, etc.....but end up saying they got a b/f and giggle like a schoolgirl at you as an amusement, or give you the infamous "You're such a good friend and I don't wanna risk what we have right now" despite the fact they say they would LOVE to be with yas and such.


I think I got burned by one GG too many. :?

[Vicki Richter]

it can't just be shitty luck that i've had with TG's so i personally don't consider some of these things generalizations.

TG's always want money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) has never asked for money

TG's call you at all hours vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) can read time

TG's fabricate elaborate stories that would give Steven King a run for his money vs. My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) don't need to fabricate stories they have real ones

TG's think of themselves first and foremost vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have hearts and unlaced blood coursing throught their veins

TG's need someone to sign their leases vs My girlfriend (and any girlfriends i've had) actually have/has credit

yeah i'm down on the TG's this year. its been in steady decline for a couple of years.

I think most of these would go into the 60-75% bucket. Maybe higher.

[Vicki Richter]

Macmanasshole you are a complete ignorant, moronic, asshole for writing such stupidity. You nasty fuck-what the fuck are you doing on this board?

Take a look in the mirror before you decide to put anyone down houndog.

Its fucked up men like you in this community who I can not stand. Your the in the closet, freak who wants to suck a dick and get fucked in the ass, but can't come to terms with it, so you have to degrade the transsexuals to make yourself feel better.

I see this kind of behaviour in men all the time. Men, who can not accet themselves, and who have major tranny issues often are mysoginist towards transsexuals and treat them badly as well. I would not be surprised if you had issues with women as well.

You are the enemy of this community. You are the nasty taboo- the trash- the garbage- the bottom feeder who objectifies, de-humanizes, and degrades transsexual women to make your sexuality feel better.

GET THE FUCK OF THIS BOARD MARICON.

And I hope this doe not come off as rude- but hillbilly- if you are trying to date some young babe, and you are a a more mature gentleman- what kind of relationship exactly are you expecting.

goldiggers come in all forms- women, ts, AND MEN.

AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE AT YOUR TS COMMANDMENTS.

I have my own goddamn money, and I have not had to beg, borrow, or steal it. I work hard to make my living and i dont need to ask a man for money, i certainly don't call people at all hours unless they are close friends, and i have my own lease- thank you very much. There is a difference between selfish and looking out for yourself.

Wow I'm impressed. Such passion. Nice post Allanah...

As far as your response to Hillbilly - you are in the top 10% as well. Do the majority of TS fit into a category like you or like the hillbilly description? I think that is the real question. There are a number of TS who make good money legitimately and legally - or with solid short term plans to do so, but that just isn't the majority IMHO.

[Vicki Richter]

I don't think I can deny some TS embody the worst stereotypes in women but alot of it is due to the upbringing and social conditioning. The thread topic is right that its likely that a GG is better than a TS, but I feel its not an entirely fair comparison, I think GG's can be as bad or worse off if they go through what we go through. (this is a neat thread though)

I don't think GG's have to deal with many things TS's go through growing up, and the pressure may be two fold, one from family and one from peers. And there's alot of social/sexual frustration involved as well during the adolescence where it can be hard to be a gay where you always wonder if your crushes are gay but its worst when you're TS - you're likely to be more confused and reluctant to reveal your feelings - I was pretty romantically void in my teen years and only having close friends helped it somewhat (there were really only 2 ostracised groups in my teen circles in terms of having a bf/gf - most were fat/ugly or gender variant people).

The point here is that it is already socially awkward from the start of teenhood and when you deal with such common BGR issues in adulthood which people have already learned when younger, the reactions might manifest in totally immature fashion.

Its less likely for the average guy to treat TS's better before they transition since they are a marginalized class of sorts when presenting as overtly feminine guys. I usually tried alot to please guys when younger unlike my GG peers who had guys wanting to do things for them. This social dynamic changes so much when you start presenting as a girl that it becomes quite a dizzying experience.

When guys start to treat you better and when they offer you compliments/ money / gifts for companionship this complicates things in the long run, and the negative part at times is that TSs turn from someone who starts out as very eager to get a guy's attention into a more choosy person. I think this is an obvious reason why ego's can be so easily inflated.

GG's rather go through a more gradual process and many have mothers who probably advise them about boy-girl relationships, and they are more likely from the start to have been dealing with guys since a much younger age. Its more likely that they leave home at a much later age compared to TS's the same age and I think they are probably more careful about sex since they can get pregnant so its a bigger deal.

Sometimes there's also a misconception that we like meaningless sex or only involve sex with money - I think everyone would like to have meaningful sex but I think the difficulty to get meaningful relationships before you're sufficiently transitioned which hurts future chances of one. When the limited options left then such as meaningless sex are exercised - which I feel in interim, is better than nothing and sometimes it is even validating either through the money earned or emotional satisfaction, and its easy to get used to such treatment as well.

In addition, I think GG's are more likely going to meet more men who are willing to want to invest time and secure a long term future with them than a TS who is more likely to meet guys wanting to figure themselves out, get an experience or one nighter. Its really easier to get jaded when such things happen and the only empirical benefit then would be material stuff.

Aside from these issues, good looks change the equation completely whether GG or TS and I think those who get used to privileges due to looks tend to be more choosy and their character flaws are more willingly overlooked by admirers.

In all its likely a guy would be better off dating a GG, the relationships between a TS is more risky - if it turns out well I think it can be much better than one with a GG (chance of getting a TS who is a bra burning feminist who doesn't shave underarms is much lower) but it can be bad with someone who is used to being pampered which I think can happen either way, but more likely to a TS. I hope I'm making sense of this.

Awesome post. Wow. This post wins for the most introspective into the TS psyche. Who are you suchgreat? I guess you're a T. Care to elaborate?

[BlackAdder]

I agree, thats a good post.

[Vicki Richter]

Personally, I have only met 3 tg's and all three were wonderfully fenimine and more lady like than any GG that I have know. As said earlier in the post, the TG goes through so much to be a lady, that I do not think they would waste their time for that. I know I get fustrated that most of the (BEAUTIFUL) TG's that you would love to have as a life long partner seem to be escorts, or in the porn industry, but isn't it the same way with GG's, we all lust after the ones we can't have (Victoria Secret Models). I for one find the TG's much more attractive, and would give anything to find such a lady, but alas, I live in the rural country and there are none around to meet, so I am relagated to sites such as this, (which I love by the way) or going to the bigger cities to be with an escort. To me comparing the two GG and TG is like comparing apples to oranges....ALLANAH, you keep up the good work and keep telling it like it is......

I think that is insulting. We're GG women or transsexual women... It's not fair to say that the comparison is apples and oranges. It shouldn't be. We're all aspiring to be positive examples of women outwardly. But so many TS become the money grubbing, life sucking, Hollywood club girl (ever seen the two blondes on Night at the Roxburry) type. It's like, "Oh he's got sooo much money, he's so together, I can use him for his money but I'd never date him in my personal life because he's not my type." That attitude is so prevalent in TS it's unreal.

Anyway... saying that it is an unfair comparison women to TS is suggestive that we shouldn't be considered equally... when in truth, we should absolutely be compared on a one to one basis with our GG counterparts, favorably or not.

[Ecstatic]

Some very interesting thoughts being expressed in this thread. I don't know from generalizations: I know about a dozen TS personally, so that's hardly a valid sample statistically speaking from which to draw any conclusions. I could draw some generalizations from what I've read, been told, have seen on boards like this one, but again that would be skewed. There are several factors that come into play, though, as pointed out by suchgreatheights and others, such as the life struggle that TS have to go through due to their gender identification in a society which by and large rejects their gender id; the chemical effects of hormone treatments both physically and psychologically; and the behaviors that are pretty hard to avoid if you're a working girl (meaning escorting for a living), which so very often puts you at odds with your inner nature and desires in order to make good money doing it. All of these are definite factors.

But I think that while you can account for these common factors (among others), you still have to consider each person as an individual; generalizations only apply to groups, not to individuals.

[Vicki Richter]

I think the whole issue boils down to what you want.

Firstly all the generalizations about TS (or GG) are just wrong.
In fact, they're insulting.

But I will tell you this. A real TS is more feminine than a GG.
Most of the TS that I know have had to go to great lengths to establish their femininity. I don't mean "look what they've gone through, blah blah" (although certainly they have), I mean they've actually made a study of what is feminine and consciously learned it, adopted it, and become it. It makes them more feminine than most GG who are (in a broad generalization) becoming less feminine on the whole, and tend to take it for granted.

I agree with you there. Living in the Midwest, Southeast Michigan to be exact, a large majority of women here are everything BUT feminie. Alot of them makes you feel like you're with your brother or something. Not to mention many of them pretty much wanna make "Men are all pigs!" with the signs written in man-blood. :roll: And on appearences......the only ones who show it off are these fat, out of shape, inner-city sweat-hogs that wear baby-doll tees with roll upon roll hanging over their pants, which by the way, are also not ment for them to wear. And the cute girls over here all dress and act as if they were raised by nuns. When taking one out, they won't even let you kiss em unless you slip a ring on their finger. and the fact that many of these girls' idea of a hot night is just them having you do em in the missionary postion and just lay there like a bearskin rug does not help either. And if you wanna try anything remotely different.......they look at you like you are Quagmire from Family Guy.

And from personal experience, many GG's have always teased me, wanting to go out, have fun, etc.....but end up saying they got a b/f and giggle like a schoolgirl at you as an amusement, or give you the infamous "You're such a good friend and I don't wanna risk what we have right now" despite the fact they say they would LOVE to be with yas and such.
I think I got burned by one GG too many. :?

I've said this before, but some men turn to TG's because they have been hurt so often and so deeply by GG's that they are looking for something else. This is a lot more common than some guys think. Some guys think that guys like TS because they must like the dick... In some cases that is true... in other cases, it really is they were driven away from GG's because of their frequently cruel and hurtful ways. Then they start dating TS and realizing that the attractive ones are just as bad as attractive GG's and sometimes even more mental. Yes this is where generalizations get sticky. There are some near perfect women in this world. There are some near perfect TS in this world.

My post should have read:

As the majority of the population TS (in the sex industry) to majority of the population GG, here are my comparisons.

Had I said, majority of GG in the sex industry to majority of TS sex industry... the comparisons would have been much more favorable to TS. I took the seediest segment of TS women and compared them to GG's as a whole... That is by far and away not a fair comparison. However, if you look at TG's outside the sex industry, there tend to be more appearance issues (again with exceptions), and surprisingly more mental issues. I've met post op TS women, you know the middle aged 40ish-50ish married career guy who transitions later in life and you want to talk kooky and mental... Wow... Maybe they don't hook, but they have been seriously whack in my eyes. Of course I'm judgemental so perhaps not the best judge of character.

[flabbybody]

I wouldn't classify ts women who need to escort as seedy. Many who escort occasionally to make ends meet would not consider themselves as part of the "sex industry"

[Vicki Richter]

I wouldn't classify ts women who need to escort as seedy. Many who escort occasionally to make ends meet would not consider themselves as part of the "sex industry"

Then they are lying to themselves. If you have sex for money you are part of the sex industry. A girl who does it once in a while to improve/maintain her standard of living isn't any better than one who does it daily. Keep in mind, I am far and away not suggesting I am better in any respects. In some of the things I've said, I fall in the 90%, in others the 10%.

The term "need" you mention is highly relative to lifestyle in most cases.

[lahabra1976]

Vicki brings up a very good point that guys dating tgirls because they have been so deeply hurt by GG. I never heard this said before, but for some reason, it seems to make sense. I am really thinking this over, but I don't know if it is true. Can any guys comment on this?

[slinky]

I wouldn't classify ts women who need to escort as seedy. Many who escort occasionally to make ends meet would not consider themselves as part of the "sex industry"

Then they are lying to themselves. If you have sex for money you are part of the sex industry. A girl who does it once in a while to improve/maintain her standard of living isn't any better than one who does it daily. Keep in mind, I am far and away not suggesting I am better in any respects. In some of the things I've said, I fall in the 90%, in others the 10%.

The term "need" you mention is highly relative to lifestyle in most cases.

Not just a TS issue. There are tons of GG "dancers", etc. who flip out if you call them "sex workers".

[BeardedOne]

Vicki brings up a very good point that guys dating tgirls because they have been so deeply hurt by GG. I never heard this said before, but for some reason, it seems to make sense. I am really thinking this over, but I don't know if it is true. Can any guys comment on this?

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! :)

While I didn't consciously (Sp?) make that move, I can say for a fact that it was a contributing factor. I'm an odd mix, though. Bisexual (The Times calls us 'liars') and equaly comfortable with men or women, I'm fairly secure in my sexuality and try not to be a closet anything. There are still pockets of don't-ask-don't-tell in my life, but they are very few and, if they ask, I won't lie. So the idea that I would date a TS as a 'last resort' sort of thing really doesn't apply to me beyond the fact that doing so is just another step along my sexual/emotional life's path. I do think that I look to TS escorts more than GG because I have just grown so distrustful of the latter.

Arianna said "I dislike the fact that TS's represent some kind of easier dating option for male losers. Personally, I'm not interested in GG's rejects, which is what alot of tranny chasers really are."

For me, I don't see an easy option in dating any variant of the human race and that's not how I found my way into the TS culture. Sure, 'dating' an escort is easy in that there is no tapdance through the minefield of courtship, but I'm not doing that because I am a 'loser' (At least not in my opinion). I don't think I'm a loser because, after having my teeth kicked in so many times, I choose not to get up off the floor to preserve my remaining teeth, not because I'm afraid to.

I'm certainly not a reject, at least not from recent experience where more GGs than I care to count have been trying to hump my leg when I've shown little or no interest in them at all. If all of these women were so sincerely interested in me then where were they before the goods were damaged? Now that I look on most of them with suspicion and distrust, they are coming out of the woodwork. Fucking bad timing. :roll:

I've always had an interest in T-girls or, for that matter, any person with an exotic twist to their gender. I spent some wonderful time with an intersexed boi a few years ago that I truly treasured. Something in the different gender mix just 'worked' for us. I don't consider myself a tranny 'chaser', though. I understand the term, and how Arianna used it, but personally try not to 'chase' per se. I'm certainly a fan, but I try (And think I'm doing OK) to not ogle, stare, drool, fawn, etc. to where I'd be thought a 'chaser'. Of course, you have to take into account my rather limited social mobility. These days, about the only thing I chase is stray cats. :)

I've rambled. Did I ramble? Yah, I think I did. :?

[RubyTS]

What a Scandal. It should never be a competition. What makes this world such a beautiful place is its diversity. We should embrace each others' differences. Competition is pointless. No one is winning anything here. Biological females as well as transsexuals are both beautiful creatures. What makes u a good person s what is on the inside.

[lahabra1976]

Nah I don't think you rumbled on Bearded, it was actually quite informative and straight forward...althrough its late Friday afternoon and my christmas vocation begins soon so my head hurts and it is hard for me to read to long without losing attention

[lahabra1976]

Vicki brings up a very good point that guys dating tgirls because they have been so deeply hurt by GG. I never heard this said before, but for some reason, it seems to make sense. I am really thinking this over, but I don't know if it is true. Can any guys comment on this?Is being hurt by someone a real reason to date somebody else anyway?

I don't think it is. But they always have this thing called the "rebound." Very unhealthy they say.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

What a Scandal. It should never be a competition. What makes this world such a beautiful place is its diversity. We should embrace each others' differences. Competition is pointless. No one is winning anything here. Biological females as well as transsexuals are both beautiful creatures. What makes u a good person s what is on the inside.

I agree with you. GG's are GG's they have pussies and transexuals are transexuals they got penis. :lol: Lmao. Both got something each one doesnt have. :wink: BTW, Thats a nice pic of you TS Ruby. 8)

~Kisses.http://www.anikaos.com/0032-kao_licca_kao-ani/kao_licca_kao-ani_25.gif


HTG

[RubyTS]

although the topic of coversation is quite interesting, i feel it is pointless to list reasons as to whether one thing is better than the other. As stated before, it all depends on the individual. While tg's and gg's both have their on perks AND flaws, each person is different. And to say ALL or EVERY is a total generalization, unless u know ALL or EVERY ts and gg. And while one may work well for one, it may not be the case 4 for someone else. So when you talk about the majority, LET IT BE KNOW that you're talking about the majority that YOU have dealt with on a personal basis.

[RubyTS]

thank you Harajuku Tgirl :oops:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

thank you Harajuku Tgirl :oops:

Youre welcome TS Ruby..Gotta give some luv to a fellow eastcoast Tgirl. ;)

~Kisses.http://www.anikaos.com/0032-kao_licca_kao-ani/kao_licca_kao-ani_25.gif

HTG

[flabbybody]

I don't buy the theory that guys turn to tgirls cause they've been rejected by gg's. Take me. I've been rejected by gg's as well as tgirls. I'm an equal opportunity rejectee.

[BeardedOne]

Is being hurt by someone a real reason to date somebody else anyway?

I pretty much stepped off the market and left the social circles (Which, for me, were already a little tight anyway) after what has become commonly known as the 'bloodbath' of my last relationship. I barely left the house, which I bought as a therapy project, for the first two years afterwards (Save for work and necessities) and the thought of sex repulsed me (A shocker to those that know me well). Eventually, I started to heal a bit and did some travelling and made some reconnections with people that I was still close to, as friends, and who had patiently waited for me to resurface.

Six years later, having worn out most subjects of conversation that I could fake with the cats and having practically broken my wrist after having rediscovered my dick, I realized that I needed some kind of social interaction that was more than banging tankards with the guyz but short of a 'long term relationship' which, historically and inevitably, had little to do with the turn of phrase 'long term'.

I still, after eight years, don't 'date' by any normal definition of that word, but will refer to my time with an escort as a 'date' because, for me, it is. In time, it might be nice to explore the concept of 'relationship' again, but to use a mechanical analogy, I'd feel like I'd be getting a Duesenburg. Sleek, wonderful, and desirable, but I'd be terrified to drive it, because if it breaks, they can't be fixed. :cry:

[BeardedOne]

I don't buy the theory that guys turn to tgirls cause they've been rejected by gg's. Take me. I've been rejected by gg's as well as tgirls. I'm an equal opportunity rejectee.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :claps

[hotfireman69]

Ruby I could not agree with you more.....no matter what gender, race or sexual orientation you may be, it matters most how you treat others and how you chose to be treated, what is on the inside as you said!!!

[scorpion]

Right vicky... I fucked a gg once... the pussy say nothing to mee I fuced whith guys.. I love the dick... but they not sensual... i have fucked and have been fucked buy shemales... I love it I suyck tyhem.. im loving it... Im a shemale hunter.... I gonna register my relation whith a tg 2eme januar......... I LOVE GIRLS WHITH SOMETING MORE-
hugs scorpin

[lmw222001]

To Be Honest With You That's One Of The Reasons I Go Out With TGirls.
I Just Got Sick Of A Lot Of The GG's Games And Bullshit.
I Find TGirls To Be More Direct, Less Full Of Shit, And A Lot More Unencumbered.
Sexually, GG Girls Can't Even Compete Against TGirls.
There Is Still A GG Here And There I'll Go Out With. I Had Lunch With One
Today Who's Real Sweet.
We Go Out Every Once And Awhile And Have A Good Relationship. Sexually Though,Give Me A Vicki Anytime Over A GG. :twisted:

[BeardedOne]

.I Just Got Sick Of A Lot Of The GG's Games And Bullshit.
I Find TGirls To Be More Direct, Less Full Of Shit, And A Lot More Unencumbered.
Sexually, GG Girls Can't Even Compete Against TGirls.
:twisted:

Oh, gawd, can I relate to this on so many levels.

[Trogdor]

Vicki brings up a very good point that guys dating tgirls because they have been so deeply hurt by GG. I never heard this said before, but for some reason, it seems to make sense. I am really thinking this over, but I don't know if it is true. Can any guys comment on this?

I can. I posted several examples in my own life earlier.
I'll post em again later on when my brain is working.....it's 3:30 am here, and fighting insomnia :P

[blahblahblah]

Macmanasshole you are a complete ignorant, moronic, asshole for writing such stupidity. You nasty fuck-what the fuck are you doing on this board?

Take a look in the mirror before you decide to put anyone down houndog.

Its fucked up men like you in this community who I can not stand. Your the in the closet, freak who wants to suck a dick and get fucked in the ass, but can't come to terms with it, so you have to degrade the transsexuals to make yourself feel better.

I see this kind of behaviour in men all the time. Men, who can not accet themselves, and who have major tranny issues often are mysoginist towards transsexuals and treat them badly as well. I would not be surprised if you had issues with women as well.

You are the enemy of this community. You are the nasty taboo- the trash- the garbage- the bottom feeder who objectifies, de-humanizes, and degrades transsexual women to make your sexuality feel better.

GET THE FUCK OF THIS BOARD MARICON.

And I hope this doe not come off as rude- but hillbilly- if you are trying to date some young babe, and you are a a more mature gentleman- what kind of relationship exactly are you expecting.

goldiggers come in all forms- women, ts, AND MEN.

AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE AT YOUR TS COMMANDMENTS.

I have my own goddamn money, and I have not had to beg, borrow, or steal it. I work hard to make my living and i dont need to ask a man for money, i certainly don't call people at all hours unless they are close friends, and i have my own lease- thank you very much. There is a difference between selfish and looking out for yourself.

Yeah, I love You too, babe.....

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Still here? How unfortunate.

[hwbs]

must be something in the Marlborough air that he cant leave this place....

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Drinking Ye' Ol' Moon Shine

[blahblahblah]

Still here? How unfortunate.

Well, I just realised that I cannot live my life without you.
Your eyes are so beautiful and You are so sexy when You are angry.
Oh God, tell me what to do.....

[BeardedOne]

*Sigh*

Can't we all just get along? :roll:

I just spent my afternoon saving a chicken (And a couple of neighborhood cats) from a hawk. Before you read anything into that, it was a real chicken and a real hawk. And boy, is the latter pissed at me for interrupting his dinner. :evil:

:offtopic

Anyway...

It's fairly common knowledge that I like pussy (GG) and I like dick (TG) and really all that makes a difference is which one treats me like a human being. Let me clarify that...A human being they =LIKE=.

That works for me.

[Dkg]

*reads topic title*

Other than the fact they are needed for humanity to survive, they aren't that much better.

[BigTime]

.I Just Got Sick Of A Lot Of The GG's Games And Bullshit.
I Find TGirls To Be More Direct, Less Full Of Shit, And A Lot More Unencumbered.
Sexually, GG Girls Can't Even Compete Against TGirls.
:twisted:

Oh, gawd, can I relate to this on so many levels.

I feel you, I've got a sister and many nieces, who I love very much. But they are sinister and psychotic. I’ve dated GGs most of my life, but I'm now dating a TG and just can’t see me going back. Drama, Games and BS are high on a GGs list, some guys can deal with it, I can't. And the sex, every GG I've been with uses it as a bargining tool for somethin' they want later on.

[LAtoNY]

Vicki,

Just curious -- what do you do for work, besides being a porn star? It's probably tough to get by on this compensation alone.

[Trogdor]

Here's an example how GG's can burn you:

I used to work at a meijer's 5 years ago for my first job, and a few weeks before I left, I met this cute little red head. Tall, slim, cute as hell.

We started talking and hanging out durring break times and stuff, and we got along well, we traded AOL UN's and chatted online a bit, and we were getting along great. We then talked about dating and we both thought it would be cool. And we talked on the phone alot as well.

And she used to date some jerk, some drummer in a no-name garage rock band, and she said he treated her like shit. We called each other to make plans, we were both free in febuary. And around valentine's, I went to the store ( I already left the store a few months earlier ) and walked up to her with flower and a teddy bear, wanted to give her something nice.

all goes well you think......not quite. When her shift ended, I walked up to her, she was smiling, and I asked her, "Hey, care to go out tonight? There's a great lil place I know that serves great French dishes" She said, "sorry, but I'm kinda/sorta seeing someone now"

"Fuck" I thought to myself, "ok, she's cute, someone got to her first....though she never said anything before in our chats" And I asked her who it was.....it was the drummer.....the SAME asshole drummer she was bitching about who treated her like crap. And she's been seeing him for about two weeks, and we were talking about going out LESS than 2 weeks ago and did not say anything. Plus it seems she did not care to tell me anything at all.

So I left the store, tossed the flowers and the bear in the trash can and left.


And guess what, a buddy of mine who works there told me Mr. Rock & Roll Drummer dude got the babe all knocked up and SKIPPED town afterwords. And if you're out there reading this, babe.......waaaaay to go.


you go girl :roll:




So, yea, GG's can be demonic. Cause if a GUY did this to a girl, he'd have his ass nailed to a cross quick.

[BeardedOne]

So I left the store, tossed the flowers and the bear in the trash can and left.

I would have kept the bear. :smh

The longest, most stable (Stable, being relative, of course) GG relationship I had was about six years in the courtin' and four in the 'dating'. I helped her weather the collapse of her marriage (He left for her best friend, who turned out to be a dyke and then =he= jumped the fence. Far from being black and white, this drama was all pink and lavender), got on well with her kids, friends, family, etc. I even gave up drinking beer, outside of occasions when we were out, because she said she just didn't like it when I drank. That was cool.

When it ended, her choice, she left me for an alcoholic biker that would beat the crap out of her when he got home from the bars. A couple of years, some police calls, a hospital visit or two, and they 'broke up'. Last I heard they were still sharing the same bed, ten years later (Eight years following the 'breakup'). Her friends and family continue to hint that I should try and reconcile with her somehow (We are still friendly), but it's pretty clear to me what she really wants.

Not that it makes any kind of sense to me, of course. :roll:

[slinky]

The only difference with a TG is that she wouldn't have gotten knocked up.

[Kramer]

Hey Danny, are you really Boneduce? I remember reading that he got caught with a tranny. Is it you? :lol:

[slinky]

Are you really Kramer?

[BlackAdder]

I know your pain there Trog.....Ive this girl who I dated quite awhile ago, when i was 19....Lost track of her and found her again when i was 21...Offered to take her away from everything and start over somewhere else....I didnt even care she was pregnant at the time.....She decided to go with this loser guy instead who abused her terribly.....

Fast forward 10 years.......I find her again, shes now married for 1.5 years to someone 15 years older then she is(shes 27-28 btw) with 2 children from the aforementioned loser....I talk to her and find out shes having second thoughts about marrying this current guy, who there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with mind you, other then the fact she is quite beyond him mentally and now physically. In any case, I tell her that my offer stands the test of time and If she wants to make some real changes, Ill sell off and redirect all my assets into a house and basically another life for her....The guy shes married to cant even get her a car- They share one beat up old one, where you have to hold the trunk down with bungee cords......I buy a 1979 Z28 Camaro on Valentines Day, something I knew she would love and offer it to her...in fact I give her keys to both my cars and tell her anytime she wants out just to ring me....

Guess what? Shes still married to that same guy after a year.....And they still dont have a second car...../Sigh.......

[blahblahblah]

So basically, GG's are bitches who hurt the people all the time, and TG's
are kind of Mother-Theresas always ready to heal a pure man's soul in the case of emergency !! Wow, one always learn something new.

[BeardedOne]

I can't say for sure that TGs are healers, but they seem to be pretty good with applying the bandaids. :)

[Kramer]

gggiddy-up!!!!!!!!!! 8)

[Vicki Richter]

Well I am glad to see this topic continue on through the holidays/new year. Excellent.

[bunzy]

Well I am glad to see this topic continue on through the holidays/new year. Excellent.
This is a great topic Vicky;I was very impressive with your criativity to bring this up and the way you shared your views was excellent. Happy holidays.

[Vicki Richter]

Well I am glad to see this topic continue on through the holidays/new year. Excellent.
This is a great topic Vicky;I was very impressive with your criativity to bring this up and the way you shared your views was excellent. Happy holidays.

Yes thank you... I realize I am not advertising or selling myself in some way, but it is just my small way of giving back to my fans and fellow members of these forums.

8)

[slinky]

Not necessarily determinitive of anything, but just an annecdote:

This week I saw 4 working girls, 2 GG and 2 TG. The GG girls were both more pleasant, more wanting to please, and the sex was better (significantly) than both of the TG girls. And they were cheaper, too. Oh, and they were also better looking.

PS This week in particular I was looking to have a good time with a TG, but it didn't happen - the GGs were actually "fall backs".

[slinky]

I thought about something where GG's are definitely better than TG's:

a) If you are fucking a TG and make her cum, there's a real good chance she's going to lose interest in having more sex, even if that means you're left high and dry. If you are4 fucking a GG and make her cum, all she wants if more fucking.

b) Congruently, if you get off on getting your partner off, you'll probably only get one shot from a TG (while there are some who could do more, there are more that can do zero, so ....). With a GG, once you get them to cum, the next one is just easier.

[mac]

TS's seem to age better than GG's.

TS's tend to appreciate their womanhood more, and dress better than GG's.

TS's tend to dislike and insult each other, and act like the characters in the movie "Show Girls" more.

GG's usually need less validation from men.

GG's get pregnant, and therefore tend to get fat.

TS's never menstruate, and are usually hornier than GG's.

TS's are better drivers than GG's.

TS's tend to be quicker w/ sarcasm.

ts dress better then real women? you sure about that.lol. what a lame

[mac]

the three commandments to being a tranny.

1. BEG
2. BORROW (cough)
3. STEAL

come on you know you've been there.

thats so fucking true

[mac]

i dont see how yall can compare a ts with real women? did i say real women?

[TrueBeauty TS]

i dont see how yall can compare a ts with real women? did i say real women?


Do you say "yall"?

[TrueBeauty TS]

I thought about something where GG's are definitely better than TG's:

a) If you are fucking a TG and make her cum, there's a real good chance she's going to lose interest in having more sex, even if that means you're left high and dry. If you are4 fucking a GG and make her cum, all she wants if more fucking.

b) Congruently, if you get off on getting your partner off, you'll probably only get one shot from a TG (while there are some who could do more, there are more that can do zero, so ....). With a GG, once you get them to cum, the next one is just easier.


So with all your bad experiences, you're going to stick to GG's from now on, right? LOL

The funny thing is, you guys like to complain all the time, but you will ALWAYS come back to T girls. They have the one thing you all crave. Like bees to honey. No matter what gets said on this thread about how bad T girls are, none of the T girls are shaking in their Jimmy Choo boots that you guys will stop calling or stop buying their porn. The best you can do is purge for a time, but you will always be back. It is inevitable.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

The funny thing is, you guys like to complain all the time, but you will ALWAYS come back to T girls. They have the one thing you all crave. Like bees to honey. No matter what gets said on this thread about how bad T girls are, none of the T girls are shaking in their Jimmy Choo boots that you guys will stop calling or stop buying their porn. The best you can do is purge for a time, but you will always be back. It is inevitable.

With all due respect please don't categorize all of the men on this board in the same group. Danny responded like that because he is around tgirls on this forum and GG's on another forum we both frequent, but as far as us being similar that is about it. With the possible exception of our disliking of the fat euro broad from joisey................lol, nonetheless

I stayed out of this thread because I've found too many similarities between tgirls and girls in the past 2 years. It's almost amazing but when it comes down to it a woman is fucking wild, whether she was born one or decided to become one.

p.s. as far as coming back to tgirls, the day I meet a shorty with a badonka, hair to her butt, and legs for days I'll be out.............
lol

[TrueBeauty TS]

With all due respect please don't categorize all of the men on this board in the same group. Danny responded like that because he is around tgirls on this forum and GG's on another forum we both frequent, but as far as us being similar that is about it. With the possible exception of our disliking of the fat euro broad from joisey................lol, nonetheless

I stayed out of this thread because I've found too many similarities between tgirls and girls in the past 2 years. It's almost amazing but when it comes down to it a woman is fucking wild, whether she was born one or decided to become one.

p.s. as far as coming back to tgirls, the day I meet a shorty with a badonka, hair to her butt, and legs for days I'll be out.............
lol

Fair enough, but just the same Danny didn't say "the GG's and the TS girls THAT I KNOW...". He was using blanket statements that included all TS girls and all GG girls. I'm certainly not like most, if not all of those things that are being said here.

We have to remember that Vicki started this thread to get maximun conflict and response. Just her small way of giving back to the community. She's always a giver! LOL :roll:

[blahblahblah]

I've been thinking! Maybe the people claiming that TG's can take better care of their men then GG's can do are right to some extent..
If we assume that an average TG is kind of 80% woman and 20% man, then that 20% makes her be able to better understand
her man's needs, feelings, ..... Who knows.....

[blahblahblah]

most agreed flabby

why i think this is macmanasshole right here...

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1420039



,,,haahahahahha,, this clip just made my week, it has to be one of the funniest things i've seen all year. How did you find this thing?

Nice to see You glad, mr toe-sucker! What's up?!

[slinky]

Fair enough, but just the same Danny didn't say "the GG's and the TS girls THAT I KNOW...". He was using blanket statements that included all TS girls and all GG girls.

What a cop out. So what do the words "there's a real good chance" and "probably" mean on your planet? But at that, I was being polite, because I was talking about physiological realities. Or perhaps you'd like to disprove me with the list of TG's (or even males) who's refractory period = zero?

I'm awaiting another answer which doesn't speak to facts, but simply blathers about some off point nonsense. Please prove me wrong.

[TrueBeauty TS]

I thought about something where GG's are definitely better than TG's:

This is not a blanket statement? I just proved you wrong. Why do you get so twisted when someone dares challenge you?

I admitted to JWBL that I shouldn't have said "you guys" (even though I was only generalizing and not intending to mean EVERYONE) and yet, you're not man enough to admit the same.

So what else is new?

[Felicia Katt]

Danny, why do you assume that a t-girl will lose interest when she has an orgasm? For lots of girls, there is real pleasure in just pleasing your partner without necessarily gettiing reciprocation.

I don't think EVERY man roles over and goes to sleep as soon as he pops either. LOL

FK

[Jamie Michelle]

Danny, why do you assume that a t-girl will lose interest when she has an orgasm? For lots of girls, there is real pleasure in just pleasing your partner without necessarily gettiing reciprocation.

I don't think EVERY man roles over and goes to sleep as soon as he pops either. LOL

FK

I know I like it when a male lover continues to fuck my ass-pussy even after I shoot. After awhile my clitty will get hard again and I can shoot again.

[slinky]

I thought about something where GG's are definitely better than TG's:

This is not a blanket statement? I just proved you wrong. Why do you get so twisted when someone dares challenge you?

I admitted to JWBL that I shouldn't have said "you guys" (even though I was only generalizing and not intending to mean EVERYONE) and yet, you're not man enough to admit the same.

So what else is new?

I can recommend a few very good ESL courses for you. You need them.

[lahabra1976]

i didn't know there was life after orgasm...lol

[TrueBeauty TS]

I can recommend a few very good ESL courses for you. You need them.


Blah, blah, blah. Quit blathering about some off point nonsense. I called you on it and you lost. Deal with it.

[slinky]

I guess the next step is when you call me a faggot.

[Ecstatic]

Danny, why do you assume that a t-girl will lose interest when she has an orgasm? For lots of girls, there is real pleasure in just pleasing your partner without necessarily gettiing reciprocation.

I don't think EVERY man roles over and goes to sleep as soon as he pops either. LOL

FK
Felicia, pleasing my partner has always meant more to me than busting a nut myself. But it often seems that the girls I've been with get their greatest pleasure from satisfying their partner, so I win anyway, lol.

[TrueBeauty TS]

I guess the next step is when you call me a faggot.


No. You don't need me to tell you that.

[hwbs]

lmfao :o

[drock]

TS's seem to age better than GG's.

TS's tend to appreciate their womanhood more, and dress better than GG's.

TS's tend to dislike and insult each other, and act like the characters in the movie "Show Girls" more.

GG's usually need less validation from men.

GG's get pregnant, and therefore tend to get fat.

TS's never menstruate, and are usually hornier than GG's.

TS's are better drivers than GG's.

TS's tend to be quicker w/ sarcasm.

I think it was Raquelle Rayes who apparently sticks a bloody tampon in herself on a monthly basis to simulate mestruation... That is certainly not the norm.

I disagree on TS dressing better. If you compare women dressing in str8 clubs vs TS clubs, there is a whole classier element in any straight club. I've been absolutely shocked at what some TS dress like in public. Also there was this special which TSNTX was part of which showed the transition of various TS women through surgery. One of the TS on that show was wearing a half shirt... literally well above her belly button into a professional office environment. She didn't have the body to pull it off and it was totally inappropriate attire.

haha about Show Girls... My first TS friend - Arika in LA made me watch Show Girls with her the first time I ever saw it. She kept saying which character I was and which one she was... It was cute, but very funny to hear you mention it. That goes back to my divas comment. All the girls think they are frigging Madonna or something. It's really ridiculous how many TS act and talk. The worst thing is when I see girls totally able to communicate like a normal person getting sucked into the TS thing and totally changing the way they talk. It even happens to guys... (haha Megabody)

There's a ts that sticks a bloody tampon on herself once a month? Now that's just disgusting!

[Hugh Jarrod]

I find advantages and disadvantages to both.