Your old life - for the girls

[Prospero]

I know that the US high school and college re-unions are a big deal. I was wondering if any girls who are enroute to transitioning - or who have actually crossed that rubicon - have actually gone to any such re-unions in their new personas.

Also generally if you have accidentally met or even chosen to meet people who knew you before you crossed-over and what the event was like?

It would surely take a lot of balls (excuse the ludicrous and totally innapropriate use of this phrase) to do this.

[phobun]

Check this out:

http://www.prodigalsonsfilm.com/

[Birgitta]

I dont much like to remember people of my past and past life, but it does not take balls lol for me to visit such a reunion, its easier now, if i still lived as a boy it would have been to difficult...in a while there is a family reunion, almost nobody has seen me as a girl, its been years since i last saw them and im looking forward to it, its a sorth of closure for me...i would not be present if i had to be present as a boy...i could also never go back to such a life...

What did take balls was having to live as a boy in my youth, i still have scars from that time and dont think that will ever truely heal

[phobun]

What did take balls wad havinf to live as a boy in my youth, i still have scars from that time and dont think thet will ever truely heal


Where did you grow up? I am curious about the culture, because I get the impression you are European, and at least western European countries can be very tolerant of people who are different.

[Prospero]

That film looks amazing... gotta see the whole thing.

And Birgitta - good luck with the family re-union.

[Prospero]

Phobun - Birgitta is from the Netherlands

[SammiValentine]

I took a clean break to transition - dissapeared as such , for various reasons, I felt it was the best thing to do, not just for me and my quality of life but for my family. I knew doing it that way there would be no closure with so many people - and i dream about people from my "past" all the time, this will no doubt haunt me forever.

I Could not go to a reunion, would upset me to much.

[Prospero]

Wow... so your family Sammi... they know you're okay or did you just become a runaway? That is courageous.

[Prospero]

"I dont think europe is very tolerant, it has christian roots and there is little room here for different gender behavior etc....i think nowadays its getting worse again due to people becoming less tolerant, more homophobic, and influences such as islam in europe[/QUOTE]

I think Birgitta is totally correct about this. Right across Europe there is a swing towards intolerance. In London there has been a steep rise in attacks on gay people. The most recent high profile case was Philip Sallon - a flamboyant "queen" and friend of Boy George - who was nearly killed when attacked in central London.
It's not just the gay and transgendered community though - there is a massive upsurge of hatred of immigrants and Muslims and jews too. Th right is on the rise in italy (Mussolin's granddaughter running for office) - in France (Marin le Pen - daughter of the founder of the French national front) and elsewhere.

[phobun]

It really depends on your background, personal situation etc, i was not able to transition in the village where i grew up, and not while living with my family so i moved out of the house at a time in my life where i was suicidal, so very hard to take care of myself, at age 27 i finally had the chance to start transition, hormones at 30, life has improved, to be able to transition saved my life...

I dont think europe is very tolerant, it has christian roots and there is little room here for different genderbehavior etc, in my youth there were very little options to do so, the generation after me had better chances but i think nowadays its getting worse again due to people becoming less tolerant, more homophobic, and influences such as islam in europe


I admire your strength of will and what you have accomplished. You should be very proud of yourself.

I agree with your sentiments on how society is regressing. Religion is a very pernicious thing, especially Islam, and its rise there is shocking. RIP Theo Van Gogh

[Birgitta]

Hi phobun,

Theo is a vey good example, he was a great intelligent guy who foresaw the problems with immigrants and dared to adress them...

The influence of islam in europe to date has not been a possitive one...because of the crisis and increased criminality in those minority groups, and the large amount of them living of wellfare has made people angry across the land...

Not so much coz they beat up gay and transgendered people and bully them out of their houses, it had been going on for a long time and it seemed no one really cared...

When the economic situation of europe worsens, tolerance will decrease also...by both muslims, christians etc, coz people dont understand us and we are a minority we are easely hated

[LibertyHarkness]

i would like to goto my old renunion this summer but i know it would kick off .. and the fear i have is getting into a punchup as i am somewhat aggressive with idiots ... and i cant really afford to get my face decked in with my line of work ...

other than that i have been lucky in that i have full support of my family, family friends etc, though i lost all but 1 of my old school friends, friends before transition .. but then i have made new friends now ..

My parents now introduce me to everyone as their daughter which to me is most amazing thing ever ..

[Prospero]

I recall that an Italian TS I used to know who lived in a primarily Muslim area of East London was hugely harassed by young teenage Muslims boys. They would taunt her nd scream insults at her. She old me she ws afraid hey would phusiclly assualt her.

But not all Muslims re prejudiced in this way. Some escorts who've worked in the Arab world will asure you their best nd kindest customers re Arab Muslim men. it is a particular strand in islam - which is common among young Muslims in Europe - which provokes this hostility. The intolerant Salafist or Wahabi trsditions. They are the ideas that dominate in Saudi Arabia and also amid the Taliban and in the tribal border areas in Pakistan (where many of the UK's young Muslim immigrant population have their roots.) come from.)

[Birgitta]

But not all Muslims re prejudiced in this way. Some escorts who've worked in the Arab world will asure you their best nd kindest customers re Arab Muslim men. i)

Yes thats true, i also met a lot of nice muslim men and woman that were very supportive...

Aaaand lol the majority of turkish and maroc guys in my country are 100 % topguys :) and a lot of them are into dating tgirls, but also lol, keep this a secret most of the time

[SammiValentine]

Wow... so your family Sammi... they know you're okay or did you just become a runaway? That is courageous.

no you misunderstood me sorry, close family (small family)are ok, friends,workmates,schoolfriends etc i cut from.
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i grew up in area where me transitiong on my own doorstep would of resulted in my parents, family, younger sister, getting grief - bricks through windows, comments, general shit - combined with the fact i couldnt deal with rejection from people who i had have good memories with, whom i classed friends (i was popular enough even though i hated myself- my personality saved me from a lot of shit) whom would have struggled with me being me - not cos they are bad people (well not all of them) simply because they dont know any better and i didnt fancy trying to educate the masses. :)

[SammiValentine]

other than that i have been lucky in that i have full support of my family, family friends etc, though i lost all but 1 of my old school friends, friends before transition .. but then i have made new friends now ..



same here. made new friends and family finally acceptance came, so if they stick by you... then your onto a winner. xx

[Angel/Faced]

When I started transitioning I prety much just dissapeared. I cut myself off from my former friends and such. I kept a couple of friends along the way but not on purpose, which Im thankful for I guess.
The first time my family saw me as a girl was last thanksgiving, which was the hardest thing ive even done in my life btw, but it seems like everyone got through it. Last time I saw everyone ,it seemed somewhat normal, so :) :) However, not everyone in the family has seen me so far. Every once in a while someone will show up and my dad will be like, "yeah, shes a girl now." lol
I will not be going to any kind of reunion. just too frakin weird.I tracked down an old friend of mine last year to explain why I just kinda fell away from all of them, not really sure how it went. We havent talked since, but watever. Its for the best I guess. At least Im beautiful and have a lot of great friends now that really know me. :)

[robertlouis]

I'm so impressed by the courage you girls have shown against all the odds to become who you are. It's genuinely inspirational, and the fact that you can report it in such matter of fact terms is tremendous too.

This is the 90% of the ts iceberg that most of the guys here never see. Perhaps if they did there would be less hate and more understanding.

Prospero and Birgitta, I agree that there is still far too much hate and dare I say fear directed towards transsexual individuals by some sections of the community across Europe, but as I've stated (optimistically) on another thread, there are some positive signs which show that through legislation attitudes are slowly beginning to change.

That said, I know I don't live with the day to day problems and threats of gay and transsexual people, so I really have no right to comment.

It simply makes me admire you girls all the more. All power to you.

[Birgitta]

I visit a gender clinic every now and then and there is a big variety of girls to be seen there, the girls in tporn are obviously usually the pretty ones, but thats just a small number of the tgirls out there.

Ive heard many tragic stories and of a lot suicides among tgirls...amongst gay guys also...just two weeks ago a good gay friend of mine commited suicide...

i dont think many admirers really have a clue what its like to be a tgirl, and that their sexual desires and their need to be open minded often does not really serve a lot of tgirls...because they project their desire on the tgirls and expect them to accept the identity they give them...

some of them behave like feeders that are drawn to overweight people...lol

[Mayrah]

Heh, i cant talk about my "old" life since im still living in it! I live next to the most hateful neigbours ever, if i come home they stare at me and when im inside i hear them laughing. >.<

And the annoying part is how they always hang around our appartment, so when i come home or go out, there is always 3-7 wanksters i need to walk past too at times.

[TsVanessa69]

I was never in the closet or on the dl about who I was. One of my highschool friends is my photographer, I still hang out with him and other people we went to school with, they love coming to see my shows. Since I joined facebook, my sister, my neices and cousins have me on their page, so now other people I went to school with or grew up with reach out to me. I never lived a double life, I never pretended to like females or be a boy. I was born a tranny. When living at home and being a tranny didnt work out, I left. Thats why when faggotts talk shit about me its a joke. I didn't need to be passable. I am ME!

[Mayrah]

I visit a gender clinic every now and then and there is a big variety of girls to be seen there, the girls in tporn are obviously usually the pretty ones, but thats just a small number of the tgirls out there.

Ive heard many tragic stories and of a lot suicides among tgirls...amongst gay guys also...just two weeks ago a good gay friend of mine commited suicide...

i dont think many admirers really have a clue what its like to be a tgirl,
A few days ago a few guys said that from my posts its obvious that i hate myself, but thats because they think i am a tgirl for fun, while for me being pre op is just a clever psychological survival strategy

So true:)

[Yvonne183]

Heh, i cant talk about my "old" life since im still living in it! I live next to the most hateful neigbours ever, if i come home they stare at me and when im inside i hear them laughing. >.<

And the annoying part is how they always hang around our appartment, so when i come home or go out, there is always 3-7 wanksters i need to walk past too at times.


Funny thing,, I said something similar to what you said Mayrah in another thread about the trouble I have in my hood and the people on this forum told me was that I was stupid and should move away. Maybe it was the way I worded my post, eh?

I have no old life, I am a drop out cause if I went to school where I lived in the Bronx I would surely have been killed. So, I have no old school friends, have no graduation date, no teachers to remember, cause I ran away from home, life was too unbearable. Hey,, look at that,, I did move away when I was younger, I did run away from the bad people who wanted to do harm to me and look at where it got me,, ha ha ha.

[TsVanessa69]

Funny thing,, I said something similar to what you said Mayrah in another thread about the trouble I have in my hood and the people on this forum told me was that I was stupid and should move away. Maybe it was the way I worded my post, eh?

I have no old life, I am a drop out cause if I went to school where I lived in the Bronx I would surely have been killed. So, I have no old school friends, have no graduation date, no teachers to remember, cause I ran away from home, life was too unbearable. Hey,, look at that,, I did move away when I was younger, I did run away from the bad people who wanted to do harm to me and look at where it got me,, ha ha ha.
I was a runaway as well. But the funny thing ws my family had more issues with me being different than school. I had fun in school, it wsnt a bad expierence at all. I dropped out because of administration sending me home for wearing girls clothes, but I was never dumb, I passed classes sometimes because my teachers knew I had what it takes. I went 2 years later and got my GED. Something in my brain has never let me settle for less than what I wanted for me.

I never had an old life, my life has been a constant fight and evolution.

I am a fighter, and I am a winner!
Alot of people on HA talk shit about me here and in other places
It doesn't bother me.
At the end of the day I reached my goal in life.
Living my life for me the way I want to.
I don't care to pass as a female.
I am a transexual, I love to do shows, I enjoy public speaking and educating.
God blessed me, and I am living my dream.
There are good days and bad days.
But Reina is Reina, and no matter how many people talk shit or laugh, I'm doin me!

[Yvonne183]

Hi Vanessa, I agree, nice post you wrote. I too am not stupid,, I just don't have an old life that was described by the original poster. I have no old friends who knew me as a boy. I had no real friends back then and the only friends I did have were not from school days and they all knew I was transgender. I have no one to go back to and say,, hey,, look at me, I'm a girl now,,

there is no one.

[TsVanessa69]

Hi Vanessa, I agree, nice post you wrote. I too am not stupid,, I just don't have an old life that was described by the original poster. I have no old friends who knew me as a boy. I had no real friends back then and the only friends I did have were not from school days and they all knew I was transgender. I have no one to go back to and say,, hey,, look at me, I'm a girl now,,

there is no one.
I feel you. There is a huge gap between me and my family more so than my friends.
Now my family is a part of my life, and have met my boyfriends, which I NEVER thought would happen.

You gonna be ok momma.
The main thing is, your a girl now!

[Mayrah]

Funny thing,, I said something similar to what you said Mayrah in another thread about the trouble I have in my hood and the people on this forum told me was that I was stupid and should move away. Maybe it was the way I worded my post, eh?

Yeah well.. what if the new place is even worse? it might seem nice at first but that can change quickly.

[Yvonne183]

I feel you. There is a huge gap between me and my family more so than my friends.
Now my family is a part of my life, and have met my boyfriends, which I NEVER thought would happen.

You gonna be ok momma.
The main thing is, your a girl now!

Thanks for your lovely words, I needed them right now

see ya

[TsVanessa69]

Thanks for your lovely words, I needed them right now

see ya
Anytime fish!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Hi phobun,

Theo is a vey good example, he was a great intelligent guy who foresaw the problems with immigrants and dared to adress them...

The influence of islam in europe to date has not been a possitive one...because of the crisis and increased criminality in those minority groups, and the large amount of them living of wellfare has made people angry across the land...

Not so much coz they beat up gay and transgendered people and bully them out of their houses, it had been going on for a long time and it seemed no one really cared...

When the economic situation of europe worsens, tolerance will decrease also...by both muslims, christians etc, coz people dont understand us and we are a minority we are easely hated

You are totaly right except in one thing, and that is that Theo was nothing more than a simple local provocator who enjoyed that. In my opinion, a fat loser seeking the trouble. he finally found it and there is nothing more to say about it.

And regarding the Europe, well, that "continent" is well known for it's christian intolerance against different people. The inquisition, Holocaust, and in modern time - serbian genocide, geert wilders etc all sings for themselves..

[Erika1487]

I know that the US high school and college re-unions are a big deal. I was wondering if any girls who are enroute to transitioning - or who have actually crossed that rubicon - have actually gone to any such re-unions in their new personas.

Also generally if you have accidentally met or even chosen to meet people who knew you before you crossed-over and what the event was like?

It would surely take a lot of balls (excuse the ludicrous and totally innapropriate use of this phrase) to do this.

My 15yr HS reunion is coming up in a two yrs & I am scared shitless about what the responce will be:(

[Birgitta]

You are totaly right except in one thing, and that is that Theo was nothing more than a simple local provocator who enjoyed that. In my opinion, a fat loser seeking the trouble. he finally found it and there is nothing more to say about it.

And regarding the Europe, well, that "continent" is well known for it's christian intolerance against different people. The inquisition, Holocaust, and in modern time - serbian genocide, geert wilders etc all sings for themselves..


Theo van gogh was an artist!!! And a very funny provocator!! I loved the guy...simple local provocator, so what did u achieve in life, he made great films and all true artists dont give a fuck about what others think, you cant be a true artist if you care about that...

Aaaand he was not a fat loser....my god, he had more sex appeal then most guys here...he dared to be a man instead of a boy, i miss guys like him in this world!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Theo van gogh was an artist!!! And a very funny provocator!! I loved the guy...simple local provocator, so what did u achieve in life, he made great films and all true artists dont give a fuck about what others think, you cant be a true artist if you care about that...

Aaaand he was not a fat loser....my god, he had more sex appeal then most guys here...he dared to be a man instead of a boy, i miss guys like him in this world!

:-)

I achieved a lot in my life and am still alive..

That's one thing, another is:

http://nihilania.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/54_theo_van_gogh.jpg

So this sac is sexy to You ? :-)
What exactly is (was) so attractive on him? Maybe the beautiful blue eyes orrr.. :-)

[Birgitta]

He was intelligent charming funny sarcastic honest creative ...direct...

And i prefer men with either muscle or meat or both :)

[alyssaluxor]

I love attending reunions! Ive attended some reunions of my high school, elementary and college classmates/friends of mine. Its nice to see old friends and classmates ;)

Reunion with my elementary friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/300rxnd.jpg

Reunion with high school friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/205toq8.jpg

Reunion with college friends
http://i55.tinypic.com/zo8d9x.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/w05qox.jpg

[robertlouis]

I love attending reunions! Ive attended some reunions of my high school, elementary and college classmates/friends of mine. Its nice to see old friends and classmates ;)

Reunion with my elementary friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/300rxnd.jpg

Reunion with high school friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/205toq8.jpg

Reunion with college friends
http://i55.tinypic.com/zo8d9x.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/w05qox.jpg

It's great to know that you're in such an accepting environment, Alyssa.

[slingblade]

I love attending reunions! Ive attended some reunions of my high school, elementary and college classmates/friends of mine. Its nice to see old friends and classmates ;)

Reunion with my elementary friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/300rxnd.jpg

Reunion with high school friends
http://i56.tinypic.com/205toq8.jpg

Reunion with college friends
http://i55.tinypic.com/zo8d9x.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/w05qox.jpg

do any of your old friends try to fuck you now that youre a girl? :fuckin:

[Prospero]

Alyssa - terrific

[DL_NL]

Glad you've at least managed to find acceptance, Alyssa!

As for Theo van Gogh- it's a good thing to question the islam's influence on our society. But trying to achieve more tolerance by p*ssing people off isn't the right way IMO. If he'd been truly intelligent he'd have done this differently and he'd still be alive. If you consider someone primitive, lowering yourself to his level is not going to do any good.

And I wholeheartedly agree re: Christian (in)tolerance in Europe. Time to re-read the bible.

[alyssaluxor]

do any of your old friends try to fuck you now that youre a girl? :fuckin:

a lot lol :salad

im not sure if the right term is acceptance i think its more of "you might be straight, gay or ts we dont give a fuck lets party lol"

[DL_NL]

im not sure if the right term is acceptance i think its more of "you might be straight, gay or ts we dont give a fuck lets party lol"
If you can't have acceptance, that's the next best thing...

[fred41]

.otherwise we will all be kept hostage by the thought police...


...exactly.

[slingblade]

a lot lol :salad

im not sure if the right term is acceptance i think its more of "you might be straight, gay or ts we dont give a fuck lets party lol"

CAnt blame them alyssaluxor you're fine!! lol:salad