Is Shemale porn actually becoming mainstream?

[TSPornFan]

I keep reading about Shemale porn going mainstream. Some girls such as Bailey Jay have been mention about being or will be in mainstream porn. I don't think shemale porn is actually becoming mainstream....I have my reasons.

Where are the hardcore videos?

To be mainstream porn you need hardcore videos. American Shemale Porn may only have 2 new hardcore scenes in a week. TS Seducation and Shemale Pornstars are the two sites that always have a hardcore scene. Lately Black T-Girls have hardcore scenes almost every week. That's about 3 scenes. Sites such as Shemale Club, T-Girl Network, Shemale Yum, Tranny Pros, Many solo sites, and Shemale Strokers do not always have hardcore movies every week. Tranny Box and Shemale Club may not release a scene with American every week.

Having a good amount of hardcore scenes is a major must. Straight porn has well over 50 to 100 new scenes a week from many different sites. The most demanded form of porn is hardcore. Guys want to see girls and tgirls get fucked or tgirls fucking guys.

Hardcore is the high standard in porn. If you're not doing it or only in POV(cough bailey cough jay couch overrated) then you will get less attention. I have seen many guys want a girl to do hardcore but they forget about her once they see that's not in her near future.

Solo porn gets old extremely fast. There doesn't seem to be much demand for it. Why waste money hiring girls for a lot of solos while most of the money can go to hardcore videos? Shemale Strokers is a recently victim of this mentally. Many members have been complaining for months about the lack of hardcore videos. The site has produced tons of solo videos this year and less than 5 hardcore videos. There is nothing wrong with making Solo videos. There is something wrong when you make much more solo scenes than hardcore scenes.

I simply don't see any form of porn being mainstream when it barely has any hardcore movies on the online market and when there is much more solo scenes produced than hardcore content.

[giovanni_hotel]

Tranny porn is kind of weird because it's not quite mainstream but it's still bigger than a niche market IMO.

It seems like trannyXXX has a bigger presence on the interwebz every single year.

[hippifried]

Well... Aside from lesbian porn (tried for "mainstream but never really pulled it off), everybody watches porn to see big dicks shooting jizz. So yeah, TS porn is going mainstream. One trans fulfills most of the visual stimuli necessary for porn to be porn, & the girls in the pictures (moving or not) seem to have gotten prettier over the years. Much better production too. Even straight porn has gotten more anal over time. All you have to do is toss in a GG now & then so folks can see pussy, & you can draw an audience from all orientations.

[sunairco]

I think I read a piece linked to the guardian that was primarly addressing the growing use of porn by women and addiction to it. I recall the women were increasingly becoming interested in a subvariant of fan fiction that's gone hard porn, but in a literotica sense. Vampire/actor characters being very high on the list and a growing f/f and young m/m romance that seems to parallel Japan's women's interests now that it's availablilty is going mainstream. Looks like women are increasingly becoming interested in literary hard core porn instead of the suggestive romance novels. The heroine is now a violated submissive that allows the women the indulgence of the vicarious carnal encounter without the guilt. In the same article it noted that male porn preference has also changed. TG porn was rather high on the list of visual stimulation that straight men are now watching as an almost aversion for female vaginal sex and preferring female anal sex almost to the point of exclusion for their viewing material. While male preference was overwhelmingly anal for their porn, the figure of under 30% in relationships is around the current norm. That goes up slightly with older gg's. Looks like women are loosing ground to their only bankable commodity rather then espousing anal sex. Where hookers or mistresses short circuited their power over their men, it would seem that the current generation of men is monetizing anal sex and GG's let alone women in relationships no longer are competing with other women for vaginal sex. If the GG's won't get with the program, looks like alternates like TS & TV's are going to fill that role.

[CaptainPlanet]

I think I read a piece linked to the guardian that was primarly addressing the growing use of porn by women and addiction to it. I recall the women were increasingly becoming interested in a subvariant of fan fiction that's gone hard porn, but in a literotica sense. Vampire/actor characters being very high on the list and a growing f/f and young m/m romance that seems to parallel Japan's women's interests now that it's availablilty is going mainstream. Looks like women are increasingly becoming interested in literary hard core porn instead of the suggestive romance novels. The heroine is now a violated submissive that allows the women the indulgence of the vicarious carnal encounter without the guilt. In the same article it noted that male porn preference has also changed. TG porn was rather high on the list of visual stimulation that straight men are now watching as an almost aversion for female vaginal sex and preferring female anal sex almost to the point of exclusion for their viewing material. While male preference was overwhelmingly anal for their porn, the figure of under 30% in relationships is around the current norm. That goes up slightly with older gg's. Looks like women are loosing ground to their only bankable commodity rather then espousing anal sex. Where hookers or mistresses short circuited their power over their men, it would seem that the current generation of men is monetizing anal sex and GG's let alone women in relationships no longer are competing with other women for vaginal sex. If the GG's won't get with the program, looks like alternates like TS & TV's are going to fill that role.


I can believe that out of 30 somthing GG's only 1 successfully let me do Anal, and she was Canadian, another crazy thing is she loved it and didn't need lube, only spit. 2 others let me attempt but cried for me to stop after only getting in the head! TS love it =]

[alpha2117]

The gateway to mainstream is Tranny on GG porn. If you can get some decent looking lasses to sign up what will end up happening is that str8 guys will watch Tranny on GG porn because both people aren't unattractive. You get Mia Isabella, Yasmin Lee, Vaniity and Jesse Flores topping girls in a lot of films and you'll see it boom. The issue is for the existing tg fan the guys who prefer the girls as bottoms wont go for that as much so its a higher risk producing that style.

[SammiValentine]

A world of difference between some of the top "shemale" performers getting some mainstream XXX work which I am sure is/or will be happening or has happened, compared to the actual niche being mainstream.

There are too many social prejudices, stigamas, whatever re sexuality and gender for the latter.

[GroobySteven]

A pointless post based on an unfounded theory that mainstream = hardcore content.

[NewAgain]

I hope it doesn't! For selfish reasons! ITs liek that band only you know about and then one day they are all over the radio/video! I like to think shemale porn is all mine!

[Richctdude]

I work on PC and you wont believe the number of times I will see a Jennifer paris or kimber james pictures on someone pc

[Silcc69]

It will become mainstream once Tom Moore retires.

[TSPornFan]

A pointless post based on an unfounded theory that mainstream = hardcore content.

Most pornstars put their names out there by doing hardcore videos. Not too many people would know Lisa Ann if she never did Hustler's Sarah Palin movies. Not too many would have known Yasmin Lee well enough to get her on the Hangover Part 2.

Bree Olson who dumped the guy from 3 in half men would have been a nobody without being a pornstar. No one would had gave her much attention if she was an average girl. Now she is popping up in the news because of her ex-relationship and the fact she does hardcore porn.

[GroobySteven]

You are not making any point.

[SammiValentine]

:deadhorse

[WendyWilliams]

What does hardcore have to do with mainstream:

Ive been on HBO Cathouse (had nothing to do with hardcore porn) Showtime Awards (nothing to do with hardcore).....I had a speaking non sex role in a big Lesbian Release called Corrupted by Justine Joli which I got because of my connections through AVN, I just shot a small role in an upcoming NBC pilot (was due to casting not porn)...So really not sure what you are talking about LOL

[Silcc69]

What does hardcore have to do with mainstream:

Ive been on HBO Cathouse (had nothing to do with hardcore porn) Showtime Awards (nothing to do with hardcore).....I had a speaking non sex role in a big Lesbian Release called Corrupted by Justine Joli which I got because of my connections through AVN, I just shot a small role in an upcoming NBC pilot (was due to casting not porn)...So really not sure what you are talking about LOL

Well porn has opened the door for you Wendy you go girl. BTW we need to see more hardcore scenes with Cinnamon :dancing:

[TSPornFan]

You are not making any point.

I have been very clear. Hardcore porn what makes people notice someone more. All of the popular pornstars in the business do hardcore porn. If you're not doing hardcore porn then you will get little notice. A pornstar or a type of porn cannot go mainstream without hardcore porn.


What does hardcore have to do with mainstream:

Ive been on HBO Cathouse (had nothing to do with hardcore porn) Showtime Awards (nothing to do with hardcore).....I had a speaking non sex role in a big Lesbian Release called Corrupted by Justine Joli which I got because of my connections through AVN, I just shot a small role in an upcoming NBC pilot (was due to casting not porn)...So really not sure what you are talking about LOL

If you didn't do hardcore porn would you actually be on TV? Maybe not.

[GroobySteven]

I have been very clear. Hardcore porn what makes people notice someone more. All of the popular pornstars in the business do hardcore porn. If you're not doing hardcore porn then you will get little notice. A pornstar or a type of porn cannot go mainstream without hardcore porn.



So you want a list of NON-hardcore performers that have made it in the mainstream? Where do you start? I can't be arsed - somebody else can because you are simply, not making any sense.

Doing hardcore and getting into the mainstream have no correlation to each other that I can see.

[Silcc69]

seanchai, is that Celeste sucking a black dick?

[TSPornFan]

So you want a list of NON-hardcore performers that have made it in the mainstream? Where do you start? I can't be arsed - somebody else can because you are simply, not making any sense.

Doing hardcore and getting into the mainstream have no correlation to each other that I can see.

How am I not making sense? When pornstars do hardcore scenes they put themselves more out there. Hardcore porn is the highest standard in porn. Non-hardcore performers do not get the same notice as hardcore performers. Bailey Jay's popularity highly increased after she got a boob job and started hardcore porn. Kimber James became popular after her first hardcore video. The girls who do hardcore videos are normally more popular than non-hardcore girls with very few exceptions.

If Shemale porn is becoming mainstream then why aren't the huge porn companies making any?

[GroobySteven]

Some are making it.
Some have tried and failed.
Some just don't want to.

Your one plus one equals ABC. Nothing correlates on what you are saying apart from in your own logic.

The tranny niche simply is NOT that big and there are unique companies already fulfilling that role, the same way as the companies which I assume you mean are mainstream, fullfil theirs.

[GroobySteven]

seanchai, is that Celeste sucking a black dick?

Yeah but it's photoshopped ... she'd never really do that. :whistle:

[sunairco]

Just a personal observation that I can't back up with any numbers Steven. From the early 70's to the early 80's when adult book stores were converting to video stores, most any shop was about 2/3 straight and 1/3 gay. That was usually the back wall. Of that gay section there were a usually a few fetish & bdsm titles relegated to a peripheral section. There would be 2 or 3 TS/TV titles at most and probabaly 3x or more in cost of any of the straight or gay titles. Of 50' and 200' 8mm reels there was probably none.

From about '82 onwards when video took over, again you'd only see a handfull of titles most often soft core garbage by Bizzare or a prohibitively expensive title by Kim Christy. That started to change mid 80's with the 4 hour + extendend VHS compilations where there were many "freaks" and unusual sexuality type titles were compiled together including TV's,Bi, Lez & Prosthetics on the same tape. Same complilation companies started to bring in overseas material from asia and europe such as Cosmo as TS/TV titles. Kim Christy's stuff moved in from mail order, independent productions all started to find themselves interspersed now with the straight section somehwere about 5%. The compilations became the gateway for Bi and TS/TV material to be safely rented by straight guys without the gay stigma.

By 91 or 92, most video places had sizable Fetish, Bi, and TS/TV sections with at least 10% shelf space respectively. TS/TV titles exploded around '96 in most mega video rental places around here which would be concurrent with the arrival of the consumer internet and newsgroup activity. TS/TV titles outnumbered the rack space of lez tapes in the straight sections

Taken over a 20-25 year period, that's a sizable increase. Migration into the straight section and out of the gay and marginal fetish sections of only a decade before. Interestingly, in many areas a ts/tv magazine would be considered illegal where a straight one would not be by community standards. It would be considered an abomination along with scat or fisting as an unatural act duringthe 70's. Known gay clubs would often be raided, not because of the gay folks or activity, but the crossdressers that attended them.

If this doesn't qualify as TS productions going mainstream and you have had centerfolds in major magazines featuring TS's, I don't know what is.

I'm sure you have a vast grasp of demographics and sales and what proportion of sales that mainstream video distributors offer in TS titles. I would also venture a guess that even if a major studio wanted to produce more, talent pool would be a limitation both in passable/marketable TS talent and guys that would want to work in crossover roles. I'm also sure that you would agree that there are special needs and considerations that most production companies aren't prepared to deal with TS talent as they would with GG or gay talent pools. I would suspect that these reasons would be a significant factor as why we're not seeing more titles from mainstream companies.

[mcaextreme69]

I think TS porn should be main stream. Nothing wrong with that.

[FreddieGomez]

with the more natural looking newer trannies on the scene i think it might.

[phobun]

You are not making any point.


True

[phobun]

It will become mainstream once Tom Moore retires.


At first I laughed out loud, then I thought Tom Moore is just the top dog of all the namby-pamby "male talent".
They'll be other whiny hairless cocklubbers to take Tom's place.

[SammiValentine]

i'll just wait for the day your sat in the bar/pub with all your mates chatting about your fave football/basketball/female pornstar with best tits ....... oh and which ts has the best cock , or FHM has a top 100 TS women section

[mikelpo]

i'll just wait for the day your sat in the bar/pub with all your mates chatting about your fave football/basketball/female pornstar with best tits ....... oh and which ts has the best cock , or FHM has a top 100 TS women section

You never know sammi it could happen! X

[nicebrn]

i'll just wait for the day your sat in the bar/pub with all your mates chatting about your fave football/basketball/female pornstar with best tits ....... oh and which ts has the best cock , or FHM has a top 100 TS women section
The pace of cultural change can move surprisingly fast.

It might happen inside of 30-40 years, though I'm not sure I'd put money on that in 2011.

[SammiValentine]

Not in my lifetime - imo.

[robertlouis]

Yeah but it's photoshopped ... she'd never really do that. :whistle:

But does she know about it? She most probably wouldn't be that pleased.

[robertlouis]

i'll just wait for the day your sat in the bar/pub with all your mates chatting about your fave football/basketball/female pornstar with best tits ....... oh and which ts has the best cock , or FHM has a top 100 TS women section

You'll have to start putting a sarcasm warning on your posts, Ms Valentine... :whistle:

I don't know about ts porn becoming an everyday subject for pub chat, but I would certainly welcome a legislation-led move towards wider social acceptance of transsexual individuals into general society.

The establishment as a right of gay men and women to put their relationships on a formal footing through the medium of civil partnerships has already had a significant and positive social impact in all sorts of ways in the UK. It's been great to join gay friends already in monogamous long-term relationships in publicly celebrating their love and commitment, and to give each other significant legal status in terms of property etc.

Sure, there's still plenty of hate here, but the climate and the mainstream social attitude has shifted visibly in favour of acceptance, almost to the point where at the registry office at least any difference is hardly noticed.

The enabling legislation for this enlightened move, another piece of excellent social engineering by the last Labour government, wouldn't need much tweaking to embrace relationships involving transsexual men and women either, bearing in mind that most pressure groups bring together lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexuals under the banner of LGBT activities.

Yes, at one level, from the outside, it's almost symbolic, although profound in every way for the participants, but I can see it happening in the UK within say 20 to 30 years or less if Labour get back into power sooner.

And it grieves me to see the moves in the US at state level towards banning gay marriage. Anyone on this forum who supports those bans is a hypocrite.

[SammiValentine]

It was not really sarcasm - just trying to converse in laymans terms about the subject ;-)

[GroobySteven]

Just a personal observation that I can't back up with any numbers Steven. From the early 70's to the early 80's when adult book stores were converting to video stores, most any shop was about 2/3 straight and 1/3 gay. That was usually the back wall. Of that gay section there were a usually a few fetish & bdsm titles relegated to a peripheral section. There would be 2 or 3 TS/TV titles at most and probabaly 3x or more in cost of any of the straight or gay titles. Of 50' and 200' 8mm reels there was probably none.

From about '82 onwards when video took over, again you'd only see a handfull of titles most often soft core garbage by Bizzare or a prohibitively expensive title by Kim Christy. That started to change mid 80's with the 4 hour + extendend VHS compilations where there were many "freaks" and unusual sexuality type titles were compiled together including TV's,Bi, Lez & Prosthetics on the same tape. Same complilation companies started to bring in overseas material from asia and europe such as Cosmo as TS/TV titles. Kim Christy's stuff moved in from mail order, independent productions all started to find themselves interspersed now with the straight section somehwere about 5%. The compilations became the gateway for Bi and TS/TV material to be safely rented by straight guys without the gay stigma.

By 91 or 92, most video places had sizable Fetish, Bi, and TS/TV sections with at least 10% shelf space respectively. TS/TV titles exploded around '96 in most mega video rental places around here which would be concurrent with the arrival of the consumer internet and newsgroup activity. TS/TV titles outnumbered the rack space of lez tapes in the straight sections

Taken over a 20-25 year period, that's a sizable increase. Migration into the straight section and out of the gay and marginal fetish sections of only a decade before. Interestingly, in many areas a ts/tv magazine would be considered illegal where a straight one would not be by community standards. It would be considered an abomination along with scat or fisting as an unatural act duringthe 70's. Known gay clubs would often be raided, not because of the gay folks or activity, but the crossdressers that attended them.

If this doesn't qualify as TS productions going mainstream and you have had centerfolds in major magazines featuring TS's, I don't know what is.

I'm sure you have a vast grasp of demographics and sales and what proportion of sales that mainstream video distributors offer in TS titles. I would also venture a guess that even if a major studio wanted to produce more, talent pool would be a limitation both in passable/marketable TS talent and guys that would want to work in crossover roles. I'm also sure that you would agree that there are special needs and considerations that most production companies aren't prepared to deal with TS talent as they would with GG or gay talent pools. I would suspect that these reasons would be a significant factor as why we're not seeing more titles from mainstream companies.

That is pretty much the same growth I've seen also. From 1-2 movies in the jack shacks in time square, to now having it's own section of the stores and unavoidable on the internet. If by "becoming mainstream" that is what the OP means, then it's already arrived but I don't think that's what he's getting at. TS niche for porn will always be marginalized simply because it's not to everyone's taste, the same way other niches (and fetishes) aren't.

I totally agree, most bigger companies wouldn't be prepared to work and find the talent pool of TS models - as they tend to look for their models in different areas. Many models aiming to get into this business and asking how much work is available are surprised to learn how few companies are producing TS material in the US and how few shoots realistically they can get over a 12 month period.

[AmyDaly]

I totally agree, most bigger companies wouldn't be prepared to work and find the talent pool of TS models - as they tend to look for their models in different areas. Many models aiming to get into this business and asking how much work is available are surprised to learn how few companies are producing TS material in the US and how few shoots realistically they can get over a 12 month period.

This is actually pretty true from my experience. When I first started shooting DVD's it was because a lot of them went on referrals from other models to find new models to shoot. And even as of recently, I've helped booked 3 DVD's and hook up mainstream producers get in contact with TS models because they didn't know who was who or how to get in contact with us. A lot of mainstream porn producers have no idea how to deal with TS models or how to contact them or even that we all test on the regular.

From what I hear(and know for fact), there are a lot of mainstream producers really into TS girls and would like to shoot them if the straight side wasn't so homophobic and closed minded regarding TS girls.

Also, Jim powers who is a big mainstream guy just recently starting shooting TS movies for devils for instance. TS is on the rise on the way to main stream and eventually will be. Especially as the industry gets under a bigger squeeze and people are more willing to work with us for the $$$$. I've been working with a mainstream producer lately and trying to hook him up with ts models to use. I think he will bring some awesome new mainstream style content to the ts niche in the coming future.

[dderek123]

TS is on the rise on the way to main stream and eventually will be. Especially as the industry gets under a bigger squeeze and people are more willing to work with us for the $$$$. I've been working with a mainstream producer lately and trying to hook him up with ts models to use. I think he will bring some awesome new mainstream style content to the ts niche in the coming future.
Shweeet.

[Silcc69]

At first I laughed out loud, then I thought Tom Moore is just the top dog of all the namby-pamby "male talent".
They'll be other whiny hairless cocklubbers to take Tom's place.

The only other overexposed guys I can remember were Paul Morgan and Drew Andrews. They were always in those early Androgeny films. And some guy who looked like my high school english teacher.

[effigyc]

I agree with the OP. If we're talking "mainstream" as in, most profitable form of porn, hardcore I think beats out softcore. While there are probably 100s of softcore GG pornstars, the only 3 I can name you are Hugh Hefners girlfriends, and that's because they had a reality show. I can list of probably a good dozen GG pornstarts that do hardcore, though, because that's what I watch. And while I agree, that part of the problem is that mainstream producers aren't able to findd Tgirls to book them and that straight audiences aren't quite ready to except them, even once that problem is resolved, audiences are going to want to see hardcore porn. And the most popular girls will always be the ones doing harcore porn.

On a side note, in relation to the Guardian article, there was a time when most GG pornstars didn't do anal. Now most do, because that's what sells. I feel like porn is always trying to one up itself. Once it becomes a virtual requirement for a girl to do anal in order to be a pornstar, I feel like audiences will start to gravitate towards the next rung on the kink ladder. Tgirls could very well be it.

[giovanni_hotel]

It is kind of shocking at least to me the amount of anal penetration in str8 porn the last few years. It's to the point it's more common than not.

If anal is your thing, and you LOVE to see a hot girl being railed out, TG porno can't be that far behind on your 'must watch' list.

[tsmandy]

Also, Jim powers who is a big mainstream guy just recently starting shooting TS movies for devils for instance. TS is on the rise on the way to main stream and eventually will be. Especially as the industry gets under a bigger squeeze and people are more willing to work with us for the $$$$. I've been working with a mainstream producer lately and trying to hook him up with ts models to use. I think he will bring some awesome new mainstream style content to the ts niche in the coming future.

Jim used to shoot it back in the day too. Its cool he's shooting it again, for sure.

[tsmandy]

hardcore does not mean mainstream. Playboy and Penthouse models have much higher name recognition and mainstream status than the most accomplished anal whore (save maybe belladonna).

I shoot alot of hardcore. Some of it with big name GG, and I aint getting mainstream attention. Maybe a publicist and better people skills and I would. :)

[AmyDaly]

Jim used to shoot it back in the day too. Its cool he's shooting it again, for sure.

Yea, hes told me stories the last couple times I worked with him about how the TS girls today are changing(in good ways). Hes a really good guy to work for and has a great crew.

[effigyc]

hardcore does not mean mainstream. Playboy and Penthouse models have much higher name recognition and mainstream status than the most accomplished anal whore (save maybe belladonna).

I shoot alot of hardcore. Some of it with big name GG, and I aint getting mainstream attention. Maybe a publicist and better people skills and I would. :)

No, if by mainstream we mean known to the average guy on the street, then hardcore does not directly equal mainstream. But it does lead to it. Using this definition of mainstream, lets name some mainstream pornstars: Jenna Jameson, Katie Morgan, Sasha Grey, Tracy Lords, Jenny McCarthy, and Hef's girlfriends. All of these girls are known outside of the porn world simply for that fact that they got on TV. In the cases of Jenna Jameson, Katie Morgan, and Sasha Grey some producer (Howard Stern, whoever runs HBO and Steven Soderburgh) said "Hey, I'm going to put a pornstar on my show. Who's popular right now?" In every case, the girls were popular because they did hard core. Go ahead, search for the top 10 most googled pornstars, I garuntee you 9/10 of them all do hardcore. Tracy Lords was pretty much the same situation, only she was helped out by a scandal, Jenny McCarthy got lucky, and Hef's girlfriends happened to be dating him at the time a TV producer decided to make a show about his him. It could have been any one of his numerous girlfriends (and how many of the other ones can you name? They were all centerfolds.) So what I'm saying, in a round about way, hardcore porn is not the same thing as "mainstream" popularity, but you'd be hard pressed to find a "mainstream" pornstar who hasn't done hardcore.

I think a better definition of "mainstream" for our discussion here would be "sells the most porn." Hardcore sells more than soft core. And as an example, I would venture to say that, you, Mandy, sell a lot more porn than the girls that only do softcore.

And as tporn becomes more excepted by the straight market, the girls that do hardcore will be better known and make more money than the girls that only do photoshoots and masturbation vids.

[theone1982]

Just a personal observation that I can't back up with any numbers Steven. From the early 70's to the early 80's when adult book stores were converting to video stores, most any shop was about 2/3 straight and 1/3 gay. That was usually the back wall. Of that gay section there were a usually a few fetish & bdsm titles relegated to a peripheral section. There would be 2 or 3 TS/TV titles at most and probabaly 3x or more in cost of any of the straight or gay titles. Of 50' and 200' 8mm reels there was probably none.

From about '82 onwards when video took over, again you'd only see a handfull of titles most often soft core garbage by Bizzare or a prohibitively expensive title by Kim Christy. That started to change mid 80's with the 4 hour + extendend VHS compilations where there were many "freaks" and unusual sexuality type titles were compiled together including TV's,Bi, Lez & Prosthetics on the same tape. Same complilation companies started to bring in overseas material from asia and europe such as Cosmo as TS/TV titles. Kim Christy's stuff moved in from mail order, independent productions all started to find themselves interspersed now with the straight section somehwere about 5%. The compilations became the gateway for Bi and TS/TV material to be safely rented by straight guys without the gay stigma.

By 91 or 92, most video places had sizable Fetish, Bi, and TS/TV sections with at least 10% shelf space respectively. TS/TV titles exploded around '96 in most mega video rental places around here which would be concurrent with the arrival of the consumer internet and newsgroup activity. TS/TV titles outnumbered the rack space of lez tapes in the straight sections

Taken over a 20-25 year period, that's a sizable increase. Migration into the straight section and out of the gay and marginal fetish sections of only a decade before. Interestingly, in many areas a ts/tv magazine would be considered illegal where a straight one would not be by community standards. It would be considered an abomination along with scat or fisting as an unatural act duringthe 70's. Known gay clubs would often be raided, not because of the gay folks or activity, but the crossdressers that attended them.

If this doesn't qualify as TS productions going mainstream and you have had centerfolds in major magazines featuring TS's, I don't know what is.

I'm sure you have a vast grasp of demographics and sales and what proportion of sales that mainstream video distributors offer in TS titles. I would also venture a guess that even if a major studio wanted to produce more, talent pool would be a limitation both in passable/marketable TS talent and guys that would want to work in crossover roles. I'm also sure that you would agree that there are special needs and considerations that most production companies aren't prepared to deal with TS talent as they would with GG or gay talent pools. I would suspect that these reasons would be a significant factor as why we're not seeing more titles from mainstream companies.

Thanks for this post Sunairco, it was a really great overview of how TS porn has progressed through the years, in terms of its visibility in stores.

[Nowhere]

Look, if on cam sites the top trans girls have more viewers at any given time (which I've seen a number of times), I'd consider that unquestionably mainstream. However, the whole thing is tricky, since we know the majority of the people watching it are doing it as their little secret, so it really isn't. But why?

I'd say the real reason it's not fully mainstream is the whole "Bi Today, Gay Tomorrow" attitude to male sexuality in 2011: That there's only gay and straight, no in-between.

So, any guy who admits to his liking of trans porn is immediately categorized as closeted gay by most people (and I'm not being sexist here, just telling the truth) especially women. If you don't believe me, just google boyfriend and "tranny porn" (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=boyfriend+%22tranny+porn%22+gay&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=668845393480168f) and read the reactions.

Therefore, they can't admit it, unless they're willing to pay the price of shutting out most hetero women, dealing with the negatives of being seen as gay by the hetero community and dealing with the negatives of being seen as in denial by the gay community.

I really don't think there's a word for it, but it will remain very, very well known, but not truly "mainstream" unless this ever changes (which it won't, any time soon).

[theone1982]

Look, if on cam sites the top trans girls have more viewers at any given time (which I've seen a number of times), I'd consider that unquestionably mainstream. However, the whole thing is tricky, since we know the majority of the people watching it are doing it as their little secret, so it really isn't. But why?

I'd say the real reason it's not fully mainstream is the whole "Bi Today, Gay Tomorrow" attitude to male sexuality in 2011: That there's only gay and straight, no in-between.

So, any guy who admits to his liking of trans porn is immediately categorized as closeted gay by most people (and I'm not being sexist here, just telling the truth) especially women. If you don't believe me, just google boyfriend and "tranny porn" (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=boyfriend+%22tranny+porn%22+gay&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=668845393480168f) and read the reactions.

Therefore, they can't admit it, unless they're willing to pay the price of shutting out most hetero women, dealing with the negatives of being seen as gay by the hetero community and dealing with the negatives of being seen as in denial by the gay community.

I really don't think there's a word for it, but it will remain very, very well known, but truly "mainstream" unless this ever changes (which it won't, any time soon).

That's really a great explanation in a nutshell there. It seems to me like TS fans are really stuck in the middle. Most people who are straight, and don't get it, think TS fans are gay, and most people who are gay, and don't get it, think TS fans are in denial. I really see TS porn as it's own genre.

[TSPornFan]

hardcore does not mean mainstream. Playboy and Penthouse models have much higher name recognition and mainstream status than the most accomplished anal whore (save maybe belladonna).

I shoot alot of hardcore. Some of it with big name GG, and I aint getting mainstream attention. Maybe a publicist and better people skills and I would. :)

I totally disagree. Playboy and Penthouse models are rarely noticed unless they're already a celebrity. There currently aren't any big name Playboy and Penthouse models.

[theone1982]

I totally disagree. Playboy and Penthouse models are rarely noticed unless they're already a celebrity. There currently aren't any big name Playboy and Penthouse models.

I disagree with that as well. Off the top of your head try to name the last 5 Playboy Playmates. Now name 5 current pornstars. For me, at least, naming the pornstars is easier, and I feel like that would be true for a lot of people.