Attention members........

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

as per NYCE racism in posts is not acceptable, he stated that YEARS ago...

I apologize for my absence from the forums due to my career nonetheless I am back and will be moderating more frequently....

As it stands I've begun to ban users for a short duration based on what I've been reading in threads recently posted. Believe it or not I've NEVER banned anyone from Hung Angels today was my 1st time; shocking I know, I know.

Edit: I've also begun to close some threads (i.e. The McDonalds threads) based on what I've seen, if you want to discuss the legality of transgenders using the restrooms feel free to express yourselves in the political forums or as I refer to it: The Shark Tank.

I am leaving my instant messengers on and will even open up a tinychat for anyone that feels they need to discuss an issue pertaining to HA: http://tinychat.com/ahungangelsoriginal

Sincerely,
JWBL

[BellaBellucci]

You oughta sticky this.

~BB~

[bulldog]

Good to have you back man, hows life been?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Bella: if I knew how to sticky I would, I am a complete novice to running things as I've been the mod AFK and not learned what I need to know, and I apologize again for my absence

Bull: life is great, in this economy being able to say that is alot, hope all is well with you

[Yvonne183]

How about personal insults, do they register the same harshness. I was called an idiot, before I called anyone a name and my mental state was made light of by another member. Is that allowed on the forum? Or is it just when one speaks of things racial? i am being serious,, there is continuous name calling on this forum, and I also did the same after I was called names, I was just curious if name calling and personal insults was OK?

[Solitary Brother]

They can dish it out but cant take it.............

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

How about personal insults, do they register the same harshness. I was called an idiot, before I called anyone a name and my mental state was made light of by another member. Is that allowed on the forum? Or is it just when one speaks of things racial? i am being serious,, there is continuous name calling on this forum, and I also did the same after I was called names, I was just curious if name calling and personal insults was OK?

absolutely not and I'm on yahoo messenger and in the tinychat room AS WE TYPE.... so if you have a direct incident I will look into it

[Yvonne183]

They can dish it out but cant take it.............

I was just curious, i can take it, I usually take it before I dish it out but I was just curious why a harsh post about race is not good but personal insults are good. I was just seeking an answer.

[Yvonne183]

absolutely not and I'm on yahoo messenger and in the tinychat room AS WE TYPE.... so if you have a direct incident I will look into it

That is all I want to know. I just want to feel free to report someone in the future who insults me and we'll see what happens from there.

[runningdownthatdream]

That is all I want to know. I just want to feel free to report someone in the future who insults me and we'll see what happens from there.

I hope the irony of you appealing to JWBL right after you finished denigrating the majority of the black race isn't lost on you.

[Solitary Brother]

I was just curious, i can take it, I usually take it before I dish it out but I was just curious why a harsh post about race is not good but personal insults are good. I was just seeking an answer.

When people get personal with me i get personal with them plain and simple.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I hope the irony of you appealing to JWBL right after you finished denigrating the majority of the black race isn't lost on you.

hehe ;)

[LittleGuy]

I'm scared of yvonne

[KelticForce1349]

hehe ;)

What exactly is the story behind your avatar, if you don't mind me asking?

[natina]

You should deal with phobuns

he is annoying

[Prospero]

Should racist threads - like the current one about Jews - be deleted in their entirety? I'd support decisive action like that. Also all the anti-Moslem postings.

On the other hand ones which just insult people - I've had a few - shouldn't be deleted. I'm sure most of us are big enough to take that kind of stuff.

[iamdrgonzo]

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." ~ Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)


Don't do it Johnny, there is no such thing as the proprer amount of censorship, any amount is too much. If they can't handle the heat they should stay out of the fire.

[kittyKaiti]

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." ~ Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens)


Don't do it Johnny, there is no such thing as the proprer amount of censorship, any amount is too much. If they can't handle the heat they should stay out of the fire.

Racist ignorance is not free speech, it's an abuse of it.

[iamdrgonzo]

Racist ignorance is not free speech, it's an abuse of it.


Your right, racist ignorance is racist ignorance and being an adult you should able to discern it as such, you do not have to continue to read or listen to what is or has been said, you can change the station, walk away or stand there and make an ass of yourself, freedom of choice.

Free speech means allowing others to express their views whether or not you agree with them.

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
~ Noam Chomsky

[amberskyi]

Your right, racist ignorance is racist ignorance and being an adult you should able to discern it as such, you do not have to continue to read or listen to what is or has been said, you can change the station, walk away or stand there and make an ass of yourself, freedom of choice.

Free speech means allowing others to express their views whether or not you agree with them.

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
~ Noam Chomsky

alot of the stuff i read here make me disgusted and hate people but i tend to agree with you.free speech is free speech (unfortunately lol).im not to big on censorship even if its for the idiots.

[nicebrn]

Racist ignorance is not free speech, it's an abuse of it.
OTOH, allowing unrestricted free speech is absolutely helpful when finding out which dumbasses should be avoided. Free speech protections don't exist for the shit we agree with, after all.

That said, message boards can and should come down hard on ignorant bullshit, since the First Amendment only restricts government actions.

[iamdrgonzo]

That said, message boards can and should come down hard on ignorant bullshit, since the First Amendment only restricts government actions.


The best way to dispense with "ignorant bullshit" is not to feed the trolls, once ignored they will scurry off in search of new forums to air their putrid views and feed their tiny ego's.


Government is force and should never be mistaken as the final arbitrator of any thing moral, for in the end it can only accomplish it's desire's through use of coercion.

Humans on the other hand can and should be expected to respect the views of others especially if they would expect to enjoy the same.

[nicebrn]

The best way to dispense with "ignorant bullshit" is not to feed the trolls, once ignored they will scurry off in search of new forums to air their putrid views and feed their tiny ego's.heh heh heh.

Now you know that and I know that...but there's always at least one person who'll take the bait.
Government is force and should never be mistaken as the final arbitrator of any thing moral, for in the end it can only accomplish it's desire's through use of coercion.Well, that's cool...since I asserted no such thing...

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Let's be clear about some of the things that are being stated in this post; because I am partially in agreement with alot of you. I have very little of an issue with you using freedom of speech: this is how I judge that.

Would you walk up to someone in public of another nationality and call them a racial slur? (my thoughts are no, you wouldn't want to get your ass kicked or worse)
Would you walk into a place of religious faith and condemn all of it's members while they were in prayer? (see the answer above)
Would you walk into a club full of transgenders and call them horrible things? (again see the answer above)

As stated earlier I have ALOT of threads to go through and obviously this will take some time but the goal of this forum (at least I thought) was to give folks a place to discuss topics surrounding the women we either openly or secretly have an interest in.

[iamdrgonzo]

Well, that's cool...since I asserted no such thing...

I never meant to imply that you did, sometimes I just can't help pulling out my soap box and running my big fat mouth :soapbox

[flabbybody]

Should racist threads - like the current one about Jews - be deleted in their entirety? I'd support decisive action like that. Also all the anti-Moslem postings.

On the other hand ones which just insult people - I've had a few - shouldn't be deleted. I'm sure most of us are big enough to take that kind of stuff.

there's sometimes a fine line between tongue and cheek humor versus plain nasty hate. Heavy handed moderation is not the HA culture and sometimes we have to roll our eyes and let something stay.
JW is talking about the plain nasty hate stuff that needs to be deleted... and you'd be surprised that the consistent perpetrators are a relative few number of members

[tsdvdman]

there's sometimes a fine line between tongue and cheek humor versus plain nasty hate. Heavy handed moderation is not the HA culture and sometimes we have to roll our eyes and let something stay.
JW is talking about the plain nasty hate stuff that needs to be deleted... and you'd be surprised that the consistent perpetrators are a relative few number of members
I agree,, and as it was eluded to earlier,,often perpetrated by some of the "signature" girls on the forum which (from a business perspective) makes no sense at all. We all come here for the girls. I think if you are going to allow them to promote themselves,,,solicit "gifts" and donations,,try to get members here to listen to their media shows, join websites/cam shows,,,etc...They should be held to a certain standard as well. I'm not talking about peoples preferences,,cultural/ethnic likes or dislikes. I'm talking about initiating constant threads expressing hate towards a certain group.

[hwbs]

Its a pravately owned board all the laws of free speech don't apply here ...we try to give everyone a voice and we give posters a pretty long leash compared to similar forums...

[Angeles Cid]

nicely said :)

[bulldog]

Bella: if I knew how to sticky I would, I am a complete novice to running things as I've been the mod AFK and not learned what I need to know, and I apologize again for my absence

Bull: life is great, in this economy being able to say that is alot, hope all is well with you


Yea, besides the SUV gulping gas at 12mpg I aint doin too bad, decided to go back to school this fall and get my associates so takin steps to make sure I succeed

[GroobySteven]

Should racist threads - like the current one about Jews - be deleted in their entirety? I'd support decisive action like that. Also all the anti-Moslem postings.

On the other hand ones which just insult people - I've had a few - shouldn't be deleted. I'm sure most of us are big enough to take that kind of stuff.

Well said, this shouldn't be the soap box for racist rants of any types.

[TSPornFan]

Let's be clear about some of the things that are being stated in this post; because I am partially in agreement with alot of you. I have very little of an issue with you using freedom of speech: this is how I judge that.

Would you walk up to someone in public of another nationality and call them a racial slur? (my thoughts are no, you wouldn't want to get your ass kicked or worse)
Would you walk into a place of religious faith and condemn all of it's members while they were in prayer? (see the answer above)
Would you walk into a club full of transgenders and call them horrible things? (again see the answer above)

As stated earlier I have ALOT of threads to go through and obviously this will take some time but the goal of this forum (at least I thought) was to give folks a place to discuss topics surrounding the women we either openly or secretly have an interest in.

Hello, I am very nervous about posting this post because I've been banned for making this type of post before. I never done anything of the things you listed on this site. I've been banned, in better terms suspended three times within a week's span thus led up to a three months suspension without explanation. I've mention this in the past and was suspended for simply mentioning it.

I also sent PMs to mods about why I was suspended. No one has ever responded to me to inform me about what I did was wrong. I'm not the type of person who normally goes out and posts hateful and racist comments.

My suspensions have totally sucked because I like this forum. This is the only active forum to talk about transsexual pornstars. Most of the members are good people with similar sexual interest.

[BellaBellucci]

People should never be censored for their views, but if their posts become overly nasty, repetitive, personal, pointless other than in their attempts to hurt someone, or gods forbid even dangerous (a 'yelling fire in a crowded movie theater' type thing) and a distraction to the everyday functioning of the board, I think a user needs to be warned first, then banned.

I don't think anyone's trying to censor speech as much as they're trying to enforce the rules to which each user agreed when they signed up.

~BB~

[Helvis2012]

This is a good move. There has been an increasing amount of vitriol expressed here which is simply not acceptable. All of the threads inspired by unbridled racism have no place here.

[Helvis2012]

Hello, I am very nervous about posting this post because I've been banned for making this type of post before. I never done anything of the things you listed on this site. I've been banned, in better terms suspended three times within a week's span thus led up to a three months suspension without explanation. I've mention this in the past and was suspended for simply mentioning it.

I also sent PMs to mods about why I was suspended. No one has ever responded to me to inform me about what I did was wrong. I'm not the type of person who normally goes out and posts hateful and racist comments.

My suspensions have totally sucked because I like this forum. This is the only active forum to talk about transsexual pornstars. Most of the members are good people with similar sexual interest.


So what's the problem? Can you interact civilly or not?
Also, it's not about free speech...many of us don't want to have to slog through all the racist drivel. :puke This just isn't that kind of forum.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Over the past few years I've had many a phone call from the women residing on this board ( hi lurk..........I mean ladies)
They claim to have left HA due to the nasty replies left in their threads or others.
Sorry this has taken me so long to reply to but
I CALL BULLSHIT

Bella is still here, Jennifer Paris, Sunny DeeLite, Wendy, even Allanah's big ass lips are protruding from across the Atlantic, amongst a plethora of other ladies who obviously have no problem conversing with the men on this board. To you ladies who have stuck it out I say thank you and promise that I'll do better to moderate the board.

To the ladies that lurk.......I mean left HA you're always welcome back and feel free to converse amongst us, I mean hey....... you can ask us to keep your banners up even though you don't post, you might as well participate.

[TSPornFan]

So what's the problem? Can you interact civilly or not?
Also, it's not about free speech...many of us don't want to have to slog through all the racist drivel. :puke This just isn't that kind of forum.

I don't understand your response. I do act civilly with members. I don't agree with everyone's opinions, but I never insult them. I've never made any hate, personal, and racist post on this forum.

[Helvis2012]

I don't understand your response. I do act civilly with members. I don't agree with everyone's opinions, but I never insult them. I've never made any hate, personal, and racist post on this forum.

I have to say, Franklin, the bar around here can be quite low. As I've said before, there seems to be an ever-increasing amount of unbound ignorance expressed in some of the threads of late, and many people simply do not want to be bothered with the stupidity of it all. I can't attest to your conduct on this board but if you've been suspended a few times, you might want to put some thought into why that occurred. The majority of people here all get along; after all, we're here for the same reason. Remember your audience and proceed accordingly. It's not difficult. I doubt you're being singled out for some other reason.

[TSPornFan]

I have to say, Franklin, the bar around here can be quite low. As I've said before, there seems to be an ever-increasing amount of unbound ignorance expressed in some of the threads of late, and many people simply do not want to be bothered with the stupidity of it all. I can't attest to your conduct on this board but if you've been suspended a few times, you might want to put some thought into why that occurred. The majority of people here all get along; after all, we're here for the same reason. Remember your audience and proceed accordingly. It's not difficult. I doubt you're being singled out for some other reason.

I have gotten along with most people pretty well. I do have friendly debates with people. I don't give out personal attacks. I have also never made any hate nor racist topics. You can look at all of my topics. None of them are disrespectful.

However, I felt that I was suspended because two escorts claimed that I gave them bad reviews. One made a hate thread about me on the forums, and I was soon suspended after that. However, I have never called an escort. I strictly watch transsexual porn. I don't pay for sex.

[Helvis2012]

I have gotten along with most people pretty well. I do have friendly debates with people. I don't give out personal attacks. I have also never made any hate nor racist topics.

However, I felt that I was suspended because two escorts claimed that I gave them bad reviews. One made a hate thread about me on the forums, and I was soon suspended after that. However, I have never called an escort. I strictly watch transsexual porn. I don't pay for sex.


Who can say? At this point, I'd consider it dead. I've handed out a couple shitty reviews but whatever. Just forget about it. We're all here for a good time, right?

[TSPornFan]

Just forget about it. We're all here for a good time, right?

Damn straight. :)

[nonnonnon]

I lurked long enough to remember a time when racial slurs were dropped like nothing. I think things are fine

[Helvis2012]

I lurked long enough to remember a time when racial slurs were dropped like nothing. I think things are fine


Lurker ethics 101. LOL.

[LittleGuy]

It's all about money.

[robertlouis]

As a newbie here, some of the things that are said I find quite breathtaking - maybe that's down to a relatively genteel upbringing here in the UK, plus our criminal libel environment and hate speech/crime laws - but I think that from time to time we must get close to the mark even in the more open climate of the US. And a lot of the personal attacks, often seemingly unwarranted, must be really hurtful.

As for the vitriol over on Politics and Religion, that's in a class of its own. Fuck!!!

I'm sure that the moderators have all of this in hand, but it needs vigilance.

[Birgitta]

Is it sexist to call non passable t-woman males?
And should we not collectively force T lovers to dig post ops... ???
lol
:party:

haha

[TJ347]

And a lot of the personal attacks, often seemingly unwarranted, must be really hurtful.

This is something I rarely ever think about, as nothing anyone says to me on an anonymous internet forum can possibly "hurt" me in the least.

Of course, not everyone is going to take the same view as me on that, but understandably I think, my default position is to interpret what I read here based on my own standards and so forth. Clearly though, a post I might dismiss as not worth the time it takes to read it, someone else may feel is sufficiently inflammatory to immediately consult a mod. Nothing I can do about how someone else internalizes or interprets comments made by other posters, but maybe I can re-think how what I say might be taken by other posters. I will try harder to do that going forward.

[Jericho]

but I think that from time to time we must get close to the mark even in the more open climate of the US. And a lot of the personal attacks, often seemingly unwarranted, must be really hurtful.


Feck off, ya Wegie bastard! :lol:
(Ya know I'm kidding!)

Personally, I'm all for freedom of speech (including hate speech)...Let 'em rant, it let's you know who the cunts, dickheads, and people to be avoided are! :shrug

Thanks to freedom of speech, there are two girls on here I wouldn't pour a cup of cold piss on.
One had the decency to leave...the other mouths off on any chance she gets. :shrug

[robertlouis]

And should we not collectively force T lovers to dig post ops... ???
lol
:party:

haha

I do, Birgitta, I do! :party::wiggle:

[theone1982]

Feck off, ya Wegie bastard! :lol:
(Ya know I'm kidding!)

Personally, I'm all for freedom of speech (including hate speech)...Let 'em rant, it let's you know who the cunts, dickheads, and people to be avoided are! :shrug

Thanks to freedom of speech, there are two girls on here I wouldn't pour a cup of cold piss on.


:iagree:

[robertlouis]

Well, there's a thread currently on General Discussion (Failures and Laughing Stocks) making fun of people with Down's Syndrome, which I personally find entirely unacceptable, unnecessary and offensive. Can it be removed please?

[Jackal]

I just do not see the relevance of these threads about racist promotion, Jews/Jewdar, insert other bigotry, etc. on a board about transsexuals, transsexual porn, attraction to transwomen, overall TS/TG/CD related topics....there are plenty of websites about racism and whatnot, go gossip about The Protocols there. I also question why blatantly transphobic crap is on a site like this.

Panoma is the worst offender of all. His trolldom is so great, why tolerate it?

[BellaBellucci]

I just do not see the relevance of these threads about racist promotion, Jews/Jewdar, insert other bigotry, etc. on a board about transsexuals, transsexual porn, attraction to transwomen, overall TS/TG/CD related topics....there are plenty of websites about racism and whatnot, go gossip about The Protocols there. I also question why blatantly transphobic crap is on a site like this.

Panoma is the worst offender of all. His trolldom is so great, why tolerate it?

You guys do realize that Dino's post about Jewdar was a provocative joke, right? Since we're all pretty sure Dino isn't racist, if anything, the thread pokes fun by highlighting how ridiculous racism is. But yeah, I guess a lot of you didn't get it.

The bigger problem around here is black/white racism. What year is this? 1965? The real racists on this board need to grow the fuck up.

~BB~

[theone1982]

While I agree that some things might go too far, I think it starts getting dicey when random members start demanding that certain threads get taken down. What you find offensive, I might find enlightening, what you find tasteful, I might find disgusting. If there is a line that cannot be crossed, then let the moderators handle it, that's what they are there for. People take things too seriously that are meant to be tongue in cheek and ironic, like Dino's post about Jews. It's ridiculous to think Dino is a racist, when he's just riffing and being ironic. There is always controversy about things, perhaps, going too far, just look at the Family Guy episode which featured a character with Down Syndrome. It was famously derided by Sarah Palin, who has a grandchild with Down Syndrome. The girl who did the character of the voice actually has Down Syndrome and was cool with the episode, which goes to show you that mutual agreement on what is offensive is practically impossible. I agree with Bella that certain things that are the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theatre, like stating that someone has AIDS or something like that shouldn't be tolerated. However, when someone says they don't like the shape of a girl's nose or something, some people react like that person just commited the most heinous crime imaginable. I think people should be allowed to comment on what they like and dislike about certain physical charcteristics without being crude, and not allowing that makes the forum become some sort of monolithic ego-stroke fest, which I doubt anyone would enjoy for very long. In short, if this forum becomes a constant witch-hunt for which threads are allowed and which aren't by random members, then I personally think it will lose any enjoyment that it gives.

[robertlouis]

While I agree that some things might go too far, I think it starts getting dicey when random members start demanding that certain threads get taken down. What you find offensive, I might find enlightening, what you find tasteful, I might find disgusting. If there is a line that cannot be crossed, then let the moderators handle it, that's what they are there for. People take things too seriously that are meant to be tongue in cheek and ironic, like Dino's post about Jews. It's ridiculous to think Dino is a racist, when he's just riffing and being ironic. There is always controversy about things, perhaps, going too far, just look at the Family Guy episode which featured a character with Down Syndrome. It was famously derided by Sarah Palin, who has a grandchild with Down Syndrome. The girl who did the character of the voice actually has Down Syndrome and was cool with the episode, which goes to show you that mutual agreement on what is offensive is practically impossible. I agree with Bella that certain things that are the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theatre, like stating that someone has AIDS or something like that shouldn't be tolerated. However, when someone says they don't like the shape of a girl's nose or something, some people react like that person just commited the most heinous crime imaginable. I think people should be allowed to comment on what they like and dislike about certain physical charcteristics without being crude, and not allowing that makes the forum become some sort of monolithic ego-stroke fest, which I doubt anyone would enjoy for very long. In short, if this forum becomes a constant witch-hunt for which threads are allowed and which aren't by random members, then I personally think it will lose any enjoyment that it gives.

That's fair enough, and I certainly endorse your general principle. As the guy who suggested taking the Down's Syndrome post off, I might have been going too far, so I withdraw, but unless someone can explain background that I'm unaware of, I can't see any intrinsic worth in something that seems to be wilfully offensive. I'll leave it at that.

Not offended in the least by Dino's thread - could see the joke and enjoyed it, but not this one. Very poor taste.

[theone1982]

That's fair enough, and I certainly endorse your general principle. As the guy who suggested taking the Down's Syndrome post off, I might have been going too far, so I withdraw, but unless someone can explain background that I'm unaware of, I can't see any intrinsic worth in something that seems to be wilfully offensive. I'll leave it at that.

Not offended in the least by Dino's thread - could see the joke and enjoyed it, but not this one. Very poor taste.

I agree with you that some threads just seem intrinsically pointless and without any humor or irony, at which point I think they just become mean-spirited.

[flabbybody]

Well, there's a thread currently on General Discussion (Failures and Laughing Stocks) making fun of people with Down's Syndrome, which I personally find entirely unacceptable, unnecessary and offensive. Can it be removed please?

I can't imagine how a thread about Down's Syndrome that casts it in a humorous tone belongs on this site.
thank you for bringing it to my attention. it's been removed

[Jackal]

The Jewdar might be a joke but do we really need so many threads that inspired the satire there. Aren't you a bit annoyed that relevant threads to the main board are drowned by stupid, racist, troll, and/or drama threads?

I do not think it is unreasonable or violating to ask someone to stay on topic or within the forum's bound. This website is not the government or the only place in the world, nobody forced anyone to join HA and HA does not have to be some verbal race war.


There is a political/other section, no? Why not keep the main section only for transsexual and transsexual porn related topics?

In short, if this forum becomes a constant witch-hunt for which threads are allowed and which aren't by random members, then I personally think it will lose any enjoyment that it gives.

I understand oversensitive or petty people may abuse it but I think occasionally calling out trolls, racists, assholes and people who spam isn't that bad of an idea. Not all threads/posts/pics are equal.

[robertlouis]

I can't imagine how a thread about Down's Syndrome that casts it in a humorous tone belongs on this site.
thank you for bringing it to my attention. it's been removed

Thank you.

[hippifried]

Time for this again.

[theone1982]

The Jewdar might be a joke but do we really need so many threads that inspired the satire there. Aren't you a bit annoyed that relevant threads to the main board are drowned by stupid, racist, troll, and/or drama threads?

I do not think it is unreasonable or violating to ask someone to stay on topic or within the forum's bound. This website is not the government or the only place in the world, nobody forced anyone to join HA and HA does not have to be some verbal race war.


There is a political/other section, no? Why not keep the main section only for transsexual and transsexual porn related topics?


I understand oversensitive or petty people may abuse it but I think occasionally calling out trolls, racists, assholes and people who spam isn't that bad of an idea. Not all threads/posts/pics are equal.

Fair enough. But how do you, or anyone else, define a troll, a racist, an asshole, or spam? Could someone post a thread stating that they prefer Latin transsexuals over black transsexuals, or would that be racist? Could someone state that they don't like a transsexual pornstar because her lips are too big, or would that be considered being an asshole? I guess what I'm saying is, who gets to decide what is what? I wouldn't mind having some sort of system set up where, maybe the people who have been here a certain amount of time, or have made a certain amount of posts, could decide which threads have to go. If everyone can bitch about what has to go, or what doesn't, than it seems like it would turn into a never-ending shit-flinging fest. Trust me, I don't like the racial, religious, gender, or other types of hate here, however, where is the line drawn? Who decides?

[TJ347]

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why people who are supposed to be adults can't simply ignore or exit an "offensive" thread as opposed to feeling the need to go to a mod and ask/beg for it to be deleted...

I avoid the Lady Gaga thread, because I don't care about Lady Gaga. If I were to go into a thread that I didn't know was about Lady Gaga, as soon as I realized that was what it was about, I'd leave. It's very simple. Why can't every poster on HA do that? The mods are going to do whatever they're going to do about policing various comments, but they'd be saved an incredible amount of time if the rest of us focused more on what we enjoy about this site than what we don't. When a thread about Down's syndrome is deleted essentially because the OP employed a different sense of humor than the complainer, I have to ask what we're coming to here...

[BellaBellucci]

When a thread about Down's syndrome is deleted essentially because the OP employed a different sense of humor than the complainer, I have to ask what we're coming to here...

That's a really good question. I agree that we shouldn't be deleting everything that's controversial... however, I think threads that victimize the disabled are in such poor taste that this board would be better served by not having them here. Who wants this to be known as the board full of sex freaks who pick on those with birth defects? I don't know about you, but that's not a reputation that I want for us here.

Oh, and guess what. Transsexuality? It's a birth defect too. :geek:

~BB~

[flabbybody]

the Down's syndrome thread did not meet any bare minimum humor standard, unless the audience was a bunch of 4th graders.
and it got multiple complaints from a fairly wide spectrum of posters... including myself

[Prospero]

I totally agree with those who found the Downs Syndrome thread unfunny - and I do indeed find all threads which victimise groups for the simple reason of their being black, or jewish, or white, or Irish, or Latino or whatever wrong.

it is perfectly okay to say that you prefer black girls to latinas or vice versa - but not if you then explain that the reason why has some ethnic hatred at its core. A few escorts on here for instance have been quite outspoken in saying black guys are better in bed and better lovers than white guys. This might upset some of us white guys but I can live with that. That is their view - based on actual experience or posted to provoke. Whatever. But if you move on to say all white guys are (insert hateful and negative quality here) it is just as bad as saying all black guys are (insert hateful quality here).

Similarly there seem to be an awful ot of anti Muslim slurs going on here. Also unacceptable. Thr US and the West are not at war with islam nor vice versa. There are a series of conflicts going on against some people who subscribe to certain views about religion.
Jokes are harder to police. Generally unless - as with the Downs Syndrome cartoon - they cross certain deeply offensive lines we probably should just accept them. Except when their intent is to inspire hatred.

That's my view anyway.

[BellaBellucci]

I totally agree with those who found the Downs Syndrome thread unfunny - and I do indeed find all threads which victimise groups for the simple reason of their being black, or jewish, or white, or Irish, or Latino or whatever wrong.

Except that Jews, Whites, Irishmen, and Latinos can defend themselves, so I'm not sure attacks against them rise to the same level as attacks against those with Down's, so the thread was deleted. I would never suggest we remove racist threads though. It's much more beneficial to keep them in the archives as a record of our site's position against the ideas and the posters contained therein.


Similarly there seem to be an awful ot of anti Muslim slurs going on here. Also unacceptable. Thr US and the West are not at war with islam nor vice versa.

I'd have to argue the point. While individual Muslims do not necessarily hate the West, such a hatred has been ingrained within Islam's political structure to the point where it is now rationalized by theology. I liken the situation to the scene in The Matrix in which Morpheus explains to Neo that 'if you're not one of us, you are one of them.' It's unfortunate, but I certainly think criticism is warranted.

~BB~

[Prospero]

BB... the discussion and complexities of the situation re islam are manifold and not (imho) to be simply tossed around here. if you want a real debate on that I'd happily do it with you by e mail (since islam and its issues pertain to my professional life)

[BellaBellucci]

BB... the discussion and complexities of the situation re islam are manifold and not (imho) to be simply tossed around here. if you want a real debate on that I'd happily do it with you by e mail (since islam and its issues pertain to my professional life)

Yeah, sorry about that. I'm still sort of on heightened alert because of the whole Birgitta thing. I didn't mean to hijack the thread and I may take you up on that offer. :)

~BB~

[Prospero]

Be my guest x

[ed_jaxon]

The free exchange of ideas and viewpoints here on HA is one of the main reasons I keep coming back. I have learned an lot from the political board as well as from the back and forth between members.

The mods walk a fine line and I believe are doing a fantastic job. The creativity and intelligence of this community are under appreciated.

[Prospero]

Thus spake zarathustra - as he strode under a ladder

[yodajazz]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but I think suspending people is better than outright banning. I feel that most people are capable of learning from their mistakes. I could then see multiple suspensions as warranting banning, as well as the most serious offenses.


....

I'd have to argue the point. While individual Muslims do not necessarily hate the West, such a hatred has been ingrained within Islam's political structure to the point where it is now rationalized by theology. I liken the situation to the scene in The Matrix in which Morpheus explains to Neo that 'if you're not one of us, you are one of them.' It's unfortunate, but I certainly think criticism is warranted.

~BB~
BB, I agree with Pospero's reply to this. I think there is quite a bit of misunderstanding in the general culture about Islam. Some people, profit greatly from this misunderstanding. For example, in the current climate, we are talking about cutting back on assistance to the elderly and poor, but not one penny from the military. I also suggest visiting the politics and religion forum here too, sometime.

[Silcc69]

In light of sum new threads, I think this should be bumped.

[FreddieGomez]

In light of sum new threads, I think this should be bumped.

trannies dont get banned for shit, these mods kiss their asses too much. Ashley has been posting racist shit for months and she's still here.

[Silcc69]

trannies dont get banned for shit, these mods kiss their asses too much. Ashley has been posting racist shit for months and she's still here.

Nicole Dupre was banned before and so was Paris, Jhaniah Love has been banned and Ashley is on her 3rd screen name for some reason.

[TsVanessa69]

trannies dont get banned for shit, these mods kiss their asses too much. Ashley has been posting racist shit for months and she's still here.
then if you dont like it leave, or maybe we get togetther and have you banned.:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff:fu::fu::fu::fu::fu ::fu::fu:

[FreddieGomez]

nicole dupre was banned before and so was paris, jhaniah love has been banned and ashley is on her 3rd screen name for some reason.

oh that's why she uses that alias.

[FreddieGomez]

then if you dont like it leave, or maybe we get togetther and have you banned.:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff:fu::fu::fu::fu::fu ::fu::fu:

yOU'RE A POSTER STALKER. yOU HARASS ME EVERY CHANCE YOU GET SMH

[Silcc69]

What is the deal with ya'll I don't think I have seen to people that are both PUERTO RICAN hate each other like that. Ya'll just need to fuck each other.

[FreddieGomez]

what is the deal with ya'll i don't think i have seen to people that are both puerto rican hate each other like that. Ya'll just need to fuck each other.

idk but for somebody who claims to have all this money and gets all this ass from dudes in the real wolrd, she's certainly bothered by what i say too much. It dont make sense. I get ass in the real world too and dont give a fuck what a tranny does or doesn't do. That shit dont bother me. It really isn't that serious to go on a tirade over.

[TsVanessa69]

What is the deal with ya'll I don't think I have seen to people that are both PUERTO RICAN hate each other like that. Ya'll just need to fuck each other.
I got tons of Puerto Rican dicks in my stable! Ones that belong to dudes with balls, walk down the street holdin my hand Ridin the 6 in da Bronx and if somebody got a problem we laugh at them together. I dont waste my time with lames cuz reality is, this Miss Freddie is a fuckn clown, as a transexual and on a transexual ADMIRERS site, I shouldnt have to see this kind of bullshit, that incedentally, I don't even deal with in the REAL world.

[FreddieGomez]

i got tons of puerto rican dicks in my stable! Ones that belong to dudes with balls, walk down the street holdin my hand ridin the 6 in da bronx and if somebody got a problem we laugh at them together. I dont waste my time with lames cuz reality is, this miss freddie is a fuckn clown, as a transexual and on a transexual admirers site, i shouldnt have to see this kind of bullshit, that incedentally, i don't even deal with in the real world.

so why take the time out of your business schedule to focus on me? If you didnt waste your time then why bother responding to EVERYTHING I post? You just contradicted yourself.

[TsVanessa69]

so why take the time out of your business schedule to focus on me? If you didnt waste your time then why bother responding to EVERYTHING I post? You just contradicted yourself.
This is my spot boo. HUNG ANGELS! I am Hung, and I am somebodys Angel! So if you post in a tranny forum and its bullshit, this tranny on the tranny forum is going to respond as she pleases. you be on some bullshit cuz you have resentment towards us. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. the closet is for clothes, not lifestyles, REAL men own up tio what the fuck they like, and there are more of them than you. You coyldnt handle a tranny

[Silcc69]

I got tons of Puerto Rican dicks in my stable! Ones that belong to dudes with balls, walk down the street holdin my hand Ridin the 6 in da Bronx and if somebody got a problem we laugh at them together. I dont waste my time with lames cuz reality is, this Miss Freddie is a fuckn clown, as a transexual and on a transexual ADMIRERS site, I shouldnt have to see this kind of bullshit, that incedentally, I don't even deal with in the REAL world.

You're contradicting yourself right there. Clearly you see Freddie as a lame therefore by YOUR OWN WORDS he isn't worth the effort. But then you go on here wasting time on him. So please Vanessa be real and say that Freddie IS WORTH your time and effort on here or just ignore the guy. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Look at all the online meanies that get off on being mean crying about more moderation...

I laugh

[TsVanessa69]

You're contradicting yourself right there. Clearly you see Freddie as a lame therefore by YOUR OWN WORDS he isn't worth the effort. But then you go on here wasting time on him. So please Vanessa be real and say that Freddie IS WORTH your time and effort on here or just ignore the guy. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I wasn't wasting time actually, I was entertaining myself and my fans and putting a message out there. Those who get it, get it, those that don't never will! HA foolery is a fun way to pass time, and some of my guys love my wit.:dancing::dancing::dancing:

[Dino Velvet]

Mmmmmmm Mmmmmmm... Vanessa looking hot! :crazy

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=437218&stc=1&d=1322774836

[onmyknees]

I wasn't wasting time actually, I was entertaining myself and my fans and putting a message out there. Those who get it, get it, those that don't never will! HA foolery is a fun way to pass time, and some of my guys love my wit.:dancing::dancing::dancing:


I luv your ass too, but fact is you're a pretty sharp lady. And as far as Freddie....He's constantly trolling Lexi and a few others, so whatever he gets...he deserves.

[TsVanessa69]

I luv your ass too, but fact is you're a pretty sharp lady. And as far as Freddie....He's constantly trolling Lexi and a few others, so whatever he gets...he deserves.
Thanks, I just log in and see some BULLSHIT and I'm gonna call it! He finds flaws and tries to get others to agree with him because he needs to make himself feel better about himself.

[doctor screw]

sigh

[finalfantasy9]

goof troop badadoodop dada doo dop