Black Transphobia and Homophobia...MCDONALDS beating

[sweet485]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

[TJ347]

Going simply on your use of the word "negroes", you deserve to be harrassed by a black person more so than you currently are. Aside from that, you mention when it's not black people, you're harrassed by Latinos trying to act like them... I'm interested in how "they" act, as I didn't get the latest memo on how I, as a black person, should act when coming in contact with random white people?

As to your not seeing "white people having as much problems" with minding their own fucking business, may I direct you to our current military foray in Afghanistan? May I direct you to similar expeditions in Iraq? Do you need more examples? Shall I break out a history book and go into how Hawaii became a state? Should I mention the colonial period in Africa or perhaps go into US involvement in the Phillipines? Or do you just want me to focus on examples within the last twenty-five years? Maybe you just meant with regard to an individual's sexuality, and aren't aware that sodomy laws specifically meant to target gays were created by people just as white as the ones who killed Matthew Shepard? Let me know; it's a lazy Saturday for me, and I've got plenty of time, newb.

[LittleGuy]

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

[TJ347]

Please don't remind me about that thread... That said, I can see one very good reason why a girl wouldn't deal with black men now that I couldn't then, and it has nothing to with not having the agreed upon "donation". As to people on HA, many are just hateful period, even hating the fact they're on the site to begin with. You may recall the thread where one guy went on about how he was "addicted" to transsexuals and was trying to break the habit or whatever... That's the type of bullshit I'm talking about. Something is wrong with me for being attracted to transsexuals. Self-hate at its finest right there.

[SammiValentine]

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

When did you last run a survey?!

Daft to tar anyone and everyone with the same brush on a global level - sheesh.

[SunshyneMonroe]

giggles..

[traLika]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.


While it is clear that transphobia and homophobia is a problem within some black communities, it’s also clear that generalizations from people like you contribute more to problems than solutions.

[LittleGuy]

Please don't remind me about that thread... That said, I can see one very good reason why a girl wouldn't deal with black men now that I couldn't then, and it has nothing to with not having the agreed upon "donation". As to people on HA, many are just hateful period, even hating the fact they're on the site to begin with. You may recall the thread where one guy went on about how he was "addicted" to transsexuals and was trying to break the habit or whatever... That's the type of bullshit I'm talking about. Something is wrong with me for being attracted to transsexuals. Self-hate at its finest right there.

What is the reason you see why women"DONT DEAL WITH BLACK MEN"?

[Anubis1779]

I thought a lot of the guys who were standing around the cameraman seemed more Hispanic than Black, you can catch a quick glimpse about half-way through.

[SammiValentine]

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

[LibertyHarkness]

Lol sammi

[TJ347]

What is the reason you see why women"DONT DEAL WITH BLACK MEN"?

I'm imagining, based on member reports of various escort experiences, that a bullshit experience would lead to a problem with said escorts walking away with hundreds of dollars if the trick was black. Look at the guy who did a review of Nikita Coxxx recently... I know if that was me, she wouldn't have walked away leaving me with nothing to do but give her a shit review.

I think that the chances of conflict in such a situation are far lower with a white guy, which is not to say that all white guys are pushovers or anything like that, just that I think the percent chance that a client will accept a girl being super half-assed and still pay for it would be higher with a white guy. Maybe not though...

[Anubis1779]

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

:iagree::iagree:

[Solitary Brother]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

I agree

[BellaBellucci]

Is the OP fucking serious? The problem isn't race, it's class, and plenty of white people are in the same boat. :?

Eww! I smell troll. :geek:

~BB~

[Willie Escalade]

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd_looking_for_suspect_in_brutal_beating_of_tran .php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/26/former-memphis-police-officer-pleads-guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

[BellaBellucci]

^^^ That's just wrong.

~BB~

[SunshyneMonroe]

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd_looking_for_suspect_in_brutal_beating_of_tran .php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/26/former-memphis-police-officer-pleads-guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

:dead-1:

[natina]

THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDU20V6NMgE)

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEomI6YBPBY)

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5gYsIRdg4)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjFWMIZdcTs)


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/06/11/local-woman-fights-for-gay-rights/


http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg


Local woman fights for gay rights

Written by Allison Wingate | | news@toledofreepress.com (news@toledofreepress.com)

Toledo resident Brandi Fasnaugh said the fight for equality goes beyond this month.
June marks national Gay and Lesbian Pride month, a celebration of the impact gay lesbian and transgender persons have had on the world.
http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg (http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg) Brandi Fasnaugh

Fasnaugh said she tries not to let ignorant people faze her, but it’s hard to stay positive when she’s openly ridiculed.
One recent encounter with discrimination was in a bathroom in Columbus.
She was lobbying on behalf of Equality Ohio, an advocate group for gay and lesbian rights when a trip to the restroom led to a disheartening conversation.
“When I walked into the restroom, I could hear two women talking to each other between the stalls about someone who had been in the bathroom when they walked in earlier,” Fasnaugh said.
They commented on that woman’s “masculine appearance” and how it made them uncomfortable. One of the women looked right at Fasnaugh as they continued the conversation and stated that women like her should use the men’s restroom.
Feeling ashamed and embarrassed, Fasnaugh initially decided to internalize her pain. But when a colleague noticed something was wrong, she was encouraged to speak out.
“My shock and upset then turned into frustration, as well as a renewed sense of why the Equal Housing and Employment Act (EHE) is such a fundamental component for the everyday life of all citizens regardless of sexual orientation,” Fasnaugh said.
“One can be denied access to housing, employment and even public accommodations based simply on who they love and what they look like,” Fasnaugh said.
Kim Welter, program manager for Education & Outreach for Equality Ohio, said what happened to Fasnaugh is a prime example of how some people think it is acceptable to behave that way.
“Most of us figure what’s right and wrong, for the most part, by what’s legal and illegal,” Welter said. “By passing the EHE Act, that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to that list of conditions upon which you cannot discriminate.” That’s kind of the start, and if people knew that these things were illegal, I think they’d think twice before they behaved that way,” Welter said.


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/06/11/local-woman-fights-for-gay-rights/

[Ben]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

We have profound problems in our culture like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, inequality etc. etc. I mean, the list is seemingly endless.
Remember that hate is taught. And we, as a society, can unteach it.
I think we need to reeducate people to rid the world of the blind intolerance that exists between races and religions....
But it'll take a lot of effort.

[tsdvdman]

"What would you do"? Anybody know that show? And let's just say the person in question wasn't transgendered but black. Would people be sayin this is an outrage,,etc,or would it just be another publicized beat down?

[nonnonnon]

as he says: would it just be another publicized beat down?
I agree completely. It's getting media attention because it's a little, white girl and because it's lgbt related. If you think they report every shooting/assault on the news, you're crazy. If this happened locally, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

With a crime rate of 68 per one thousand residents, Jacksonville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 15. Within Florida, more than 70% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Jacksonville.
According to NeighborhoodScout's analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime in Jacksonville is one in 113.

[Solitary Brother]

When you have control of the media, and the way your race is portrayed in said media, of course opinions like this happen. See the attached picture as an example...same actions, different way of reporting it.

I did a search for other attacks on transgendered individuals. When a black person is the attacker, it's widely reported that the attackers were black. When it's another race who is the attacker, the race of the person is swept under the rug. Really. I've yet to see a headline state Whites beat [insert race here] or Latinos, or Asians, etc. I know it's happened numerous times, but you have to search really hard to find it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/lapd_looking_for_suspect_in_brutal_beating_of_tran .php

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/aug/26/former-memphis-police-officer-pleads-guilty-beatin/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515623,00.html

But hey, what can I do? I know I act with dignity...as do many other blacks I know. But that's not going to change anyone's minds about a full race. They'll just say we're "well spoken" and are "a credit to our race". Once a bigot, always a bigot. I just try to avoid assholes like that. :fu:

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.

[joeninety]

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.


Dunno what little box you live in but try looking around the globe sometime and i think you will see that people of all colours are violent, don't get it twisted get it right, the human race as a whole can be very violent

As for the op here is some of my nut juice for you lol :jerkoff

[natina]

interpretation yeah right

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=389074&stc=1&d=1303591155


THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDU20V6NMgE)

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEomI6YBPBY)

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5gYsIRdg4)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjFWMIZdcTs)

THE BATHROOM BILL
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799


YouTube - Lawmakers To Debate 'Bathroom Bill' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDU20V6NMgE)

YouTube - 'Bathroom Bill' Bullshit! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEomI6YBPBY)

YouTube - [006] re: bathroom bill (lgbt rights) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5gYsIRdg4)

YouTube - Pastor Dave Welch Hatred for Transgender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjFWMIZdcTs)


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/06/11/local-woman-fights-for-gay-rights/


http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg


Local woman fights for gay rights

Written by Allison Wingate | | news@toledofreepress.com (news@toledofreepress.com)

Toledo resident Brandi Fasnaugh said the fight for equality goes beyond this month.
June marks national Gay and Lesbian Pride month, a celebration of the impact gay lesbian and transgender persons have had on the world.
http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg (http://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/communitybrandi.jpg) Brandi Fasnaugh

Fasnaugh said she tries not to let ignorant people faze her, but it’s hard to stay positive when she’s openly ridiculed.
One recent encounter with discrimination was in a bathroom in Columbus.
She was lobbying on behalf of Equality Ohio, an advocate group for gay and lesbian rights when a trip to the restroom led to a disheartening conversation.
“When I walked into the restroom, I could hear two women talking to each other between the stalls about someone who had been in the bathroom when they walked in earlier,” Fasnaugh said.
They commented on that woman’s “masculine appearance” and how it made them uncomfortable. One of the women looked right at Fasnaugh as they continued the conversation and stated that women like her should use the men’s restroom.
Feeling ashamed and embarrassed, Fasnaugh initially decided to internalize her pain. But when a colleague noticed something was wrong, she was encouraged to speak out.
“My shock and upset then turned into frustration, as well as a renewed sense of why the Equal Housing and Employment Act (EHE) is such a fundamental component for the everyday life of all citizens regardless of sexual orientation,” Fasnaugh said.
“One can be denied access to housing, employment and even public accommodations based simply on who they love and what they look like,” Fasnaugh said.
Kim Welter, program manager for Education & Outreach for Equality Ohio, said what happened to Fasnaugh is a prime example of how some people think it is acceptable to behave that way.
“Most of us figure what’s right and wrong, for the most part, by what’s legal and illegal,” Welter said. “By passing the EHE Act, that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to that list of conditions upon which you cannot discriminate.” That’s kind of the start, and if people knew that these things were illegal, I think they’d think twice before they behaved that way,” Welter said.


http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/06/11/local-woman-fights-for-gay-rights/

[joeninety]

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

pmsl is there a reason why you are called little guy, you wouldn't happen to have the syndrome that goes with such an affliction:geek:..............

[joeninety]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.

Here have some negro nut:jerkoff you slut lmao ha ah ha ah ha

[LibertyHarkness]

i have always enjoyed abit of black magic as they say :)

[joeninety]

i have always enjoyed abit of black magic as they say :)


In that case you can have some negro nut toooooo:jerkoff lmao

[SammiValentine]

save some for me !! ;-)

[joeninety]

save some for me !! ;-)

Hmmmm you want some as well......................... hold on here it comes baby aaaarrrrggggghhhhh:jerkoff lol

[LittleGuy]

pmsl is there a reason why you are called little guy, you wouldn't happen to have the syndrome that goes with such an affliction:geek:..............

Hi gimmick account

[natina]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/committee-votes-5-0-against-rights-for-transsexuals


Committee votes 5-0 against rights for transsexuals


Backers of legal protections for transgender people mounted an all-out campaign for widening New Hampshire's anti-discrimination laws yesterday, holding a press conference to present personal cases, turning out en masse for a Senate hearing on the bill and excoriating opponents who weeks ago dubbed the measure the "bathroom bill."
But their late push appeared to fall short: The Senate Judiciary Committee voted unanimously, 5-0, to recommend killing the bill, which would forbid landlords, employers and others from discriminating against transgender individuals. The whole Senate will vote on the bill as early as Wednesday, along with a raft of other social issues.
The vote followed hours of emotional testimony, including from several transgender people - people born into one biological sex but who identify with the other - who said they live in fear of losing their jobs or worse when they go public with their struggles over gender.
Toni Maviki of Danbury choked up as she described being "harassed verbally and physically assaulted" by fellow Carroll County corrections officers who found out she was a man becoming a woman.
"I carried a badge, and I protected all you people, and there was no law to protect me from harm," said Maviki, who said she now works in law enforcement in Vermont.
Sarah Blanchette of Somersworth read aloud the letter she received from her company shortly after she told her bosses that she's transgender. "Upon consideration, you are immediately relieved of your duties," she read.
Opponents of the bill said they feared the bill would give carte blanche to predators or mischievous men to enter women's bathrooms or locker rooms. Several weeks ago, House Bill 415 burst on the public stage, with opponents, mostly Republicans, blasting it as the "bathroom bill."
"I am here in 2009 as a woman fighting for my rights," said Ann Marie Banfield of Bedford at the hearing yesterday. "Where are my rights? Where are my daughter's rights? I'm angry."
Others said the concept of gender identity as separate from biological sex violates their core beliefs.
"This bill actually discriminates against those who believe gender neutrality is morally wrong," said Rachel Robinson, a pigtailed ninth-grader from New Boston.
Supporters of the bill fought back hard against the "bathroom" label. Co-sponsor Sen. Martha Fuller Clark, a Portsmouth Democrat, said opponents had brought "the debate literally to the toilet by frivolously nicknaming this bill the bathroom bill."
"These objections are outright lies," Fuller Clark said. Of all the 13 states and dozens of municipalities that passed similar laws over the past three decades, she said, there's been "not one reported instance of bathroom miscontact."
Fuller Clark cited the fact that the New Hampshire Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence had come out for the bill, and she read from a letter co-signed by that group and the New Hampshire Women's Lobby.
The letter read in part: "We are saddened by those individuals and groups that are deliberately misleading legislators and the public by creating an unfounded fear about women's safety in connection with this legislation. Not only does this scare tactic detract from the very real issues of violence facing women in New Hampshire, it also ignores the serious threat to personal safety that many transgender and gender non-conforming people in New Hampshire experience on a daily basis."
Betsy Janeway of Webster told senators that one of her five children may be transgender. "I have enormous fears for her and pray for her," said Janeway, whose husband, Harold Janeway, is a state senator. "It is dangerous that there are no laws protecting her."
She urged people to read up on the matter - "close the bathroom door and open the library door."
All five members of the Senate Judiciary Committee voted against the bill, although Democrats on the committee spoke in favor of protections for transgender individuals

Sen. Matthew Houde, a Plainfield Democrat, said the bill had been "horrendously mischaracterized as something other than a nondiscrimination bill." He voted against the bill, saying he thinks the New Hampshire Commission for Human Rights - which judges cases of discrimination against factors such as sex, race and religion - already has the tools it needs to help transgender individuals.
Commission Executive Director Joni Esperian disagreed, telling senators that there are no state laws protecting transgender people and that the commission has been able to take only some cases of transgender individuals on the basis of a 1986 court case.
"It is a thread by which only one sector of the transgender population can seek the protection of the commission," Esperian said.
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/committee-votes-5-0-against-rights-for-transsexuals

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[natina]

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/04/12/politics/bill-on-transgendered-restroom-use-draws-heated-emotional-debate/


Bill on transgendered restroom use draws heated, emotional debate

http://bdn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Restroom-Rights.jpg (http://bdn.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Restroom-Rights.jpg)
Russ Dillingham | AP
Jennifer Levi, transgender rights project director for Gay & Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, addresses the Judiciary Committee Tuesday, in Augusta as they took up a bill to let businesses, schools and other agencies make their own decisions on who should use their restrooms and showers. Two adjacent rooms were filled with people on both sides of the issue patiently waiting to weigh in on the proposed bill

AUGUSTA, Maine — A bill concerning transgendered people’s right to choose which restroom they use generated heated debate at a public hearing Tuesday.
Dozens of people gave impassioned, emotional testimony on LD 1046 (http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/display_ps.asp?paper=HP0781&snum=125&PID=0), which would allow the operator of a restroom or shower facility to decide who can use which gender’s restroom.
The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Kenneth Fredette (http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/03/11/politics/bill-would-clarify-transgender-bathroom-use/), R-Newport, served on the Maine Human Rights Commission when it decided that Orono schools (http://new.bangordailynews.com/2010/09/20/news/bangor/panel-rules-against-orono-school-in-transgender-bathroom-access/) and an Auburn Denny’s Restaurant (http://new.bangordailynews.com/2009/05/19/politics/panel-backs-transgender-woman-in-restroom-case/) discriminated against transgendered females by not allowing them to use women’s restrooms. Fredette vocalized his dissent against the ruling then and again at Tuesday’s meeting of the Legislature’s Judiciary Committee (http://www.maine.gov/legis/house/jt_com/jud.htm).
A transgendered person generally is considered someone of one biological sex who identifies himself or herself as belonging to the opposite gender.
According to Fredette, his bill would prevent the Maine Human Rights Commission from being able to find that public and private entities discriminate when they force transgendered people to use restrooms that correspond with their biological sex, but not gender. This then would prevent those transgendered people from suing, as the people in the Orono schools and Denny’s situations did, Fredette argued.
“The concept here is there is not an absolute right for a transgender to go into the bathroom they identify with,” Fredette said in front of the overflowing crowd Tuesday. “We have to draw lines in this society so we balance rights with the rights of everyone else.”
For example, he said, “What situation do we put young children in when they go into a private place and then what they perceive to be the person of the opposite sex comes into that bathroom? That could be quite shocking.”
But Tuesday morning Fredette was by far in the minority. During approximately four hours of public testimony, 30 minutes was taken up by the people supporting Fredette’s bill.
People against the bill argued the rest of the time that the measure would cause discrimination and force people who look and act like women to use the men’s room, which would make most people involved feel unsafe or uncomfortable.
Wayne Maines was one of the first to speak against the bill.
“Like many of you I doubted transgender children could exist,” he said. “However I never doubted my love for my child.”
Maines’ 13-year-old daughter knew she was a girl at age 6, even though she’d been born a boy, he said. She was happy and her friends accepted her. But by fifth grade things got scary and the family had to “go into hiding” to protect the girl.
“‘She came to me crying and asked, ‘Daddy, what did I do wrong? Daddy, please fix this.’ That’s what dads do, we fix things. I had to break her heart and say, ‘You have not done anything wrong sweetie, but Mommy and I do not know how to fix this,’” Maines said Tuesday, crying. “This bill places transgender children in a position of doom and hopelessness.”
Several organizations spoke against the bill, including the Maine Civil Liberties Union (http://new.bangordailynews.com/organization/maine-civil-liberties-union/).
The bill puts businesses and schools in the position of “trying to figure out what someone’s biological sex is and if they’re wrong they open themselves up to liability,” said MCLU executive director Shenna Bellows. “It places the decision on the business owner and it places them in danger of legal action from all sides.”
While many people discussed the precarious situation of restaurant owners, Dick Grotton of the Maine Restaurant Association stood up for them.
Grotten took neither side of the argument.
“We need guidelines that we can follow that help us to not break any laws or break anybody’s rights,” he said to the judiciary committee. “Please, give us some direction.”
About 10 people spoke in favor of the bill, including Gov. Paul LePage (http://new.bangordailynews.com/people/paul-lepage/)’s legal counsel, Dan Billings.
“The governor’s position is that [the current regulations] really put businesspeople in a bad position with the law,” Billings said. “When they’re presented with one of these situations you have to presume the [transgendered] person is acting in good faith and if you don’t presume that you open yourself up to litigation.”
As Sydney resident Tim Russell said, “[Current law] has created a legal access that predators can use in order to accost women and children in public restrooms.”
“It is impossible for young children and women to safely determine whether or not the man — dressed as a woman — is a peeping tom, a rapist or a pedophile; and to continue to permit such a scenario to legally exist is unconscionable and inviting disaster,” Russell said.

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/04/12/politics/bill-on-transgendered-restroom-use-draws-heated-emotional-debate/

[robertlouis]

You can be a bad knobhead regardless of race or colour. trust me having grown up in a 99% white area ...

:):):)Classic definition of equal opportunity, Sammi.

Let's get it on the statute book. Will you call Shiny-faced Dave or will I do it?

[natina]

Texas trans woman arrested for using female toilet



A trans woman in Houston, Texas, has been arrested after using a female toilet in a library.
Tyjanae Moore was arrested by police last Wednesday for “knowingly entering a restroom of the opposite sex” but trans groups say her arrest was unlawful.
Ms Moore said she told police she was in the process of transitioning.
She pleaded guilty to using an opposite gender restroom and was given credit for the two nights she spent in jail.
Speaking to Fox News, Ms Moore said: “I felt so belittled going to a jail over something so simple and stupid.
“When I came out, the female [officer] told me I wasn’t supposed to be and I asked if there was any particular reason why not. She said I’m a transgendered female and I was really shocked that they even stopped me for this.”
Trans groups say her arrest was unlawful because a city ordinance passed by Houston this year allows trans people to use the toilets which correspond to their new sex.
The ordinance says: “It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly and intentionally enter any public restroom designated for the exclusive use of the sex opposite to such person’s sex without the permission of the owner, tenant, manager, lessee or other person in charge of the premises, in a manner calculated to cause a disturbance.
Cristan Williams, executive director of the Transgender Foundation of America, which is based in Houston, said: “The arrest should have never happened.
“The City of Houston has given this victim explicit permission to use a restroom consistent with their gender.
“This means that the library patron was acting in a manner consistent with both state and local law. Since she broke no law, this is a case of unlawful arrest and imprisonment.”

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/24/texas-trans-woman-arrested-for-using-female-toilet/ (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/24/texas-trans-woman-arrested-for-using-female-toilet/)


http://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/ladiestoilet.jpg

[Willie Escalade]

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.
Bullshit. The media is sure going out of their way to state that the attackers were black...and that's WITHOUT showing the video. On other reports I searched for where the attackers were not black, race was pretty much ignored.

And numbers can be skewed to gain the results you want. EVERYONE knows that. So fuck the numbers.

Plus, if I had problems with gays and trans people, I wouldn't be on this forum. Why would I? They're humans just like you and me. I can give a fuck about what someone does in their bedroom; as long as it doesn't affect MY well-being I don't care. But I DO care when people still decide to group in ALL people of a race, including those who try to live their lives in a good way. You think I like going out and being watched all the time? If I want something, I'll buy it; I don't have to steal anything. And no, I wasn't in a gang or anything; I know the chances you take and the results of being around that scene.

So don't give me that shit about blacks NOT denouncing violence. Violence isn't the only way to decide things. That's the fucked up thing about America. We just go to war without talking out our problems and trying to come to a solution. That's why this country has such a negative reputation. Not everywhere and everyone share this opinion though; I realize that.

And just as another poster said, ALL races are violent. Other countries have blood on their hands as well.

I signed the position, and I'm doing my part to let everyone else know about that position.

[onmyknees]

[QUOTE=sweet485;921622]The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.[/QUOTE

Yea...I saw the race of everyone involved, and anyone that protests to the contrary is straight up full of shit. It's an interesting question....not the way you framed it, and not on this forum, and you might have been better advised to ask the question if the African American communities have a history of intolerance against LGBT people, notwithstanding your problem with the harassment. I don't know the answer, but when you state the case as you did...undoubtedly it's going to be met with hostility...espicially with black folks, and frankly I wouldn't blame them for being offended.
Having said that, one must be on guard about sweeping in indictments about any particular race or religion. It takes work no question about it. The easy route is to traffic in those old stereotypes that every one of us is guilty of from time to time, me included.... but in thinking about the incident, I'm left with the impression that it's probably more about socio-economic conditions, education, upbringing, and ignorance than race.
Even college campuses once the headquarters of liberal tolerance are no longer safe. Ever hear about the incident at Seton Hall in NJ and the gay kid that leaped to his death after a You Tube of him surfaced? If I'm not mistaken the people that posted the vids were white and educated, so the issue of hate is as complex as the human brain. I still think it's more about upbringing that any other factor. If you're taught tolerance and respect as a child, it doesn't take Dr. Freud to tell me that chances are you're be more accepting of others sexuality, race and gender than if you were raised in a chaotic, violent, disrespectful, poverty ridden atmosphere.
I can't imagine this happening in Beverly Hills or Scarsdale NY, or the Hamptons or San Francisco...is that because those are largely white communities? I'm guessing not. It's because thier affluent, and education and affluence have a direct correlation. The race aspect of this incident cannot be overlooked to be sure, but all I'm saying is tread lightly. I don't know what the laws are in Maryland, but in many municipalities these slugs would be looking at a hate crime...regardless of the race aspect. And the by standers could have been protected by a statute similar to the Good Smaratian Law had they chose to come to the gurls defense, but they didn't. Shame on them, but I believe in karma...and thier day will come !

[giovanni_hotel]

If you don't think that same kind of attack could have happened on a Saturday night in a tiny redneck town in Alabama, Whites only, you're crazy.

If anything you should know being on HA, transwomen face more discrimination and public abuse than any other subset of the LGBT community.

The only difference between this attack and countless others that have happened in the past is, an idiot recorded the whole thing on his cell.

No recording and that story wouldn't have even made it into the local B'more news rag.

[arnie666]

It's obvious many people on HA hate black people. Most(if not all) ts don't see black men.

I don't hate Black people in fact I happen to like one or two ,although I must say going by the african americans on this site and other places I do find their attitudes quite amusing. And I have noticed with the black guys on here a real need to prove themselves'straight'. Making sure we all know they don't take it in the ass.In fact one or two do it in every topic.

But no,Gay bashing occurs in white communities as well. And please stop stereotyping just the rednecks, in england we had the case of a man who got beaten to death in london on the square because he dared to defend himself against homophobic language. But anyway, turns out according to the tranny the fight was over her talking to one of the girls boyfriends. That using the ladies bathroom story was told by the idiot who filmed it,obviously to try and show the tranny had bad character. (dirty pervert using the ladies toilet) etc etc. So it might not have been a gay/tranny bashing, or a hate crime at least because of her transexualism. but of course some are bad mouthing the victim now they find out she is a transexual. The police apparently are thinking of charging them with a race hate crime.

[TJ347]

I have noticed with the black guys on here a real need to prove themselves'straight'. Making sure we all know they don't take it in the ass.In fact one or two do it in every topic.

And if you knew the race of every poster who feels the need to convince everyone else here that they're straight and don't take it in the ass, you'd doubtless have a different perspective.

That said, even among black men I know personally who deal with transgendered women, bottoming doesn't seem to be something most practice. No, that's not a scientific sampling, but even here on HA that seems to hold true. I imagine this is where the insistence on being straight comes from, and certainly it's where stating they don't take it in the ass comes from. Just so your statistics hold, I'd add that I've dealt with transwomen before several times, and I've never taken it in the ass. I don't feel the need to convince anyone here of that, but it's nonetheless true. Now all you need is one more black poster to chime in on that...

BTW, I likewise find your attitude quite amusing. Not sure what your race is, but I'll just go on and assume you're Asian because I want to keep my belief that Asians are unintentionally funny going.

[natina]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55799

[joeninety]

I don't hate Black people in fact I happen to like one or two ,although I must say going by the african americans on this site and other places I do find their attitudes quite amusing. And I have noticed with the black guys on here a real need to prove themselves'straight'. Making sure we all know they don't take it in the ass.In fact one or two do it in every topic.


Hey man you need to stop with the generalising here, i'm Black (well brown actually) i'm as straight as a circle and love nothing more than a good prostate massage by some sexy she cock best orgasm going, you should give it a try sometime................

[joeninety]

Yea...I saw the race of everyone involved, and anyone that protests to the contrary is straight up full of shit. It's an interesting question....not the way you framed it, and not on this forum, and you might have been better advised to ask the question if the African American communities have a history of intolerance against LGBT people, notwithstanding your problem with the harassment. I don't know the answer, but when you state the case as you did...undoubtedly it's going to be met with hostility...espicially with black folks, and frankly I wouldn't blame them for being offended.
Having said that, one must be on guard about sweeping in indictments about any particular race or religion. It takes work no question about it. The easy route is to traffic in those old stereotypes that every one of us is guilty of from time to time, me included.... but in thinking about the incident, I'm left with the impression that it's probably more about socio-economic conditions, education, upbringing, and ignorance than race.
Even college campuses once the headquarters of liberal tolerance are no longer safe. Ever hear about the incident at Seton Hall in NJ and the gay kid that leaped to his death after a You Tube of him surfaced? If I'm not mistaken the people that posted the vids were white and educated, so the issue of hate is as complex as the human brain. I still think it's more about upbringing that any other factor. If you're taught tolerance and respect as a child, it doesn't take Dr. Freud to tell me that chances are you're be more accepting of others sexuality, race and gender than if you were raised in a chaotic, violent, disrespectful, poverty ridden atmosphere.
I can't imagine this happening in Beverly Hills or Scarsdale NY, or the Hamptons or San Francisco...is that because those are largely white communities? I'm guessing not. It's because thier affluent, and education and affluence have a direct correlation. The race aspect of this incident cannot be overlooked to be sure, but all I'm saying is tread lightly. I don't know what the laws are in Maryland, but in many municipalities these slugs would be looking at a hate crime...regardless of the race aspect. And the by standers could have been protected by a statute similar to the Good Smaratian Law had they chose to come to the gurls defense, but they didn't. Shame on them, but I believe in karma...and thier day will come !


Well said that is exactly what it boils down to (socio economic conditioning rather than racial genetic predispostion), i mean come on where the fuck is the tranny hating genes in us black folk, what an absurd and ignorant idea, very funny ah ha ah ha ah ha ah ha...............................

[Birgitta]

http://www.nieuwsmening-magazine.nl/index.php/in-beeld/3-in-beeld/31791-chrissy-lee-polis-mishandeld-in-mcdonalds-baltimore-spreekt-video

video where chrissy tells about her experience

[joeninety]

http://www.nieuwsmening-magazine.nl/index.php/in-beeld/3-in-beeld/31791-chrissy-lee-polis-mishandeld-in-mcdonalds-baltimore-spreekt-video

video where chrissy tells about her experience


Poor girl after having to deal with that beating, is now having to deal with media violations and false accusations etc...........

[onmyknees]

If you don't think that same kind of attack could have happened on a Saturday night in a tiny redneck town in Alabama, Whites only, you're crazy.

If anything you should know being on HA, transwomen face more discrimination and public abuse than any other subset of the LGBT community.

The only difference between this attack and countless others that have happened in the past is, an idiot recorded the whole thing on his cell.

No recording and that story wouldn't have even made it into the local B'more news rag.


Perhaps...but I wonder if it happened there if I could understand what the attackers were saying. I know the audio on the existing tape is lousy, but I couldn't understand a fucking word GH...could you?

[TJ347]

Its all about the numbers.
What do they say?
The numbers say it all and there is no getting around that.
Its not about "portrayal" its about actions and attitudes.
Blacks have a BIG problem gays and trans people....
Im so sick of these fake and phony ass negros on HA ALWAYS coming up with excuses.
Blacks will NEVER denounce violence because we are violent.
Im saying it and its 1000 percent true and I dont care who doesnt like it.

I'd like to know what numbers you're referencing, as I know I've personally never received a survey inquiring as to my opinion on gays and transsexuals or my tendency toward violence. If you, as a self-hating black man, get these surveys where the rest of us don't, clearly you don't get them because you're black or a man.

I also haven't seen a single person participating in this thread, white, black or other, who has even remotely implied that the actions taken by these fools was appropriate on any level, so I'm not sure where you're seeing "negroes" coming up with excuses or refusing to denounce violence. Altogether then, you've done nothing but make yourself look a fool by bringing your self-loathing into a thread that wasn't even remotely about you, so if that was your goal as opposed to offering something of value to the discussion, congratulations, Uncle Ruckus.

[giovanni_hotel]

Perhaps...but I wonder if it happened there if I could understand what the attackers were saying. I know the audio on the existing tape is lousy, but I couldn't understand a fucking word GH...could you?


Naw, the sound recording was garbage on thar McDonalds employee's cell.

[lisaparadise]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.thats the first thing i saw.i say we ship them back to haiti and bring back slavery fuck em these idiots are animals and if you dont like my attitude then look in the mirrer and shape up for fucks sakes.

[lisaparadise]

While it is clear that transphobia and homophobia is a problem within some black communities, it’s also clear that generalizations from people like you contribute more to problems than solutions.where do blacks get off thinking there above trans and gays like give your heads a shake people last time i checked white folks used to own blacks so how is it they think there better?fuckin idiots.its shamefull and discuting white people rarely act like animals but blacks seem to have wrote the book on it.

[giovanni_hotel]

thats the first thing i saw.i say we ship them back to haiti and bring back slavery fuck em these idiots are animals and if you dont like my attitude then look in the mirrer and shape up for fucks sakes.

Seriously??

I'd would so fuck you raw Lisa but you are kinda/sorta a bigot. :geek:

[lisaparadise]

Seriously??

I'd would so fuck you raw Lisa but you are kinda/sorta a bigot. :geek:seriously?i am a bigot so what.tell me whats it gonna take for blacks to smarten the fuck up?you think im racist thats cool i have zero problems with that but im not the only racist cause ive yet to meet and manority blacks or hispanics that werent racist period.clearly blacks have a problem with gays and that seems to be ok and i have a problem with blacks who act like animals,there violent beasts from there butt fuckin ugly woman to there gun carrying so called men who have no problems taking a life.you people wanna know why youll never be as good as white people well theres your answer deal with it.

[LittleGuy]

At least Lisa is honest about being racist.

[LittleGuy]

giggles..

Something tells me you're behind this thread.

[tsdvdman]

seriously?i am a bigot so what.tell me whats it gonna take for blacks to smarten the fuck up?you think im racist thats cool i have zero problems with that but im not the only racist cause ive yet to meet and manority blacks or hispanics that werent racist period.clearly blacks have a problem with gays and that seems to be ok and i have a problem with blacks who act like animals,there violent beasts from there butt fuckin ugly woman to there gun carrying so called men who have no problems taking a life.you people wanna know why youll never be as good as white people well theres your answer deal with it.
WOW,,I continue to be amazed at the level of ignorance people drool out of their mouths. That video was only plastered to infuriate and incite more hate,(towards a specific group of people),,,who most likely never did a damn thing to you personally. People are calling them all animals,,etc. Yet,,it was your uncles, cousins, dads, priest who molested you, fucked you up the ass when you was a little boy and started you down that isolated miserable life of self-hate and shame. So,,the most accepted and normal group to lash out at is black people as a whole. Totally understood!!

[lisaparadise]

wow,,i continue to be amazed at the level of ignorance people drool out of their mouths. That video was only plastered to infuriate and incite more hate,(towards a specific group of people),,,who most likely never did a damn thing to you personally. People are calling them all animals,,etc. Yet,,it was your uncles, cousins, dads, priest who molested you, fucked you up the ass when you was a little boy and started you down that isolated miserable life of self-hate and shame. So,,the most accepted and normal group to lash out at is black people as a whole. Totally understood!!roflmfao,seriously your blind and are clueless period.everybody knows im right including you,that vid was filmed by a piece of shit monkey employee and plastered on the net for the sole purpose of embarracing my sisters you fucking piece of shit.that is a hate crime period and these cunts need the death penalty and the workers who stood and did nothing should be held as accomplasses.

[lisaparadise]

at least lisa is honest about being racist.i call it like i see it and im not afraid of anybody knowing exactly who i am period.i dont run and i dont hide behind no i.p. Addy.

[sweet485]

Well, now saying the TRUTH that blacks are virulently transphobic and homophobic is racist. Please, enough with the racist card. This is a cultural problem among most blacks. And from my own experience, 95% I get bothered while just minding my own business, is by a black person, all ages. What a shame.

I guess they have an inferiority complex...since LGBT people are the only people considered beneath them, they have to go after them to feel better about themselves. Whites don't have as much as a complex, and I never feel threatened by most of them. Guess they are more civilized.

[tsdvdman]

roflmfao,seriously your blind and are clueless period.everybody knows im right including you,that vid was filmed by a piece of shit monkey employee and plastered on the net for the sole purpose of embarracing my sisters you fucking piece of shit.that is a hate crime period and these cunts need the death penalty and the workers who stood and did nothing should be held as accomplasses.
Once again your ignorance is bliss! Any common sense seems to go right over your head. I feel like everyone else that this act was wrong and inexcusable on all levels. What I strongly disagree with is how you and allot of other self-hating hipocrytes (especially those who are oppressed and demeaned and treated like shit in mainstream simple because they are ts/tv) have turned this in to an assault against all black people. According to your theory and thinking,,,ALL men with the same SKIN COLOR as your uncle, father or brother who molested, stuck objects up your ass and treated you like a piece of shit are animals, rapist, thugs, etc. YET,,Ironically but not conincidence,,they are 99.9 percent of the clientle you fuck and let fuck you in the ass. Now aint that a Bitch!!!

[runningdownthatdream]

Once again your ignorance is bliss! Any common sense seems to go right over your head. I feel like everyone else that this act was wrong and inexcusable on all levels. What I strongly disagree with is how you and allot of other self-hating hipocrytes (especially those who are oppressed and demeaned and treated like shit in mainstream simple because they are ts/tv) have turned this in to an assault against all black people. According to your theory and thinking,,,ALL men with the same SKIN COLOR as your uncle, father or brother who molested, stuck objects up your ass and treated you like a piece of shit are animals, rapist, thugs, etc. YET,,Ironically but not conincidence,,they are 99.9 percent of the clientle you fuck and let fuck you in the ass. Now aint that a Bitch!!!

That person doesn't have the intelligence to comprehend what you wrote. Ironically, only monkeys may actually have success in having a conversation with her.

[lisaparadise]

once again your ignorance is bliss! Any common sense seems to go right over your head. I feel like everyone else that this act was wrong and inexcusable on all levels. What i strongly disagree with is how you and allot of other self-hating hipocrytes (especially those who are oppressed and demeaned and treated like shit in mainstream simple because they are ts/tv) have turned this in to an assault against all black people. According to your theory and thinking,,,all men with the same skin color as your uncle, father or brother who molested, stuck objects up your ass and treated you like a piece of shit are animals, rapist, thugs, etc. Yet,,ironically but not conincidence,,they are 99.9 percent of the clientle you fuck and let fuck you in the ass. Now aint that a bitch!!!lol i just love getting you revved lol

[lisaparadise]

that person doesn't have the intelligence to comprehend what you wrote. Ironically, only monkeys may actually have success in having a conversation with her.does that mean your black lol poor bastard

[Yvonne183]

For all the white tgirls or even their admirers, if you don't believe what Lisa says is true, then come to baltimore where I live and take a walk around Monroe st and North Ave or on the east side on Madison St and Greenmount. Go to theses areas and see for yourself if it is only a small minority of black people who commit hate towards others. I feel this is the best way to learn first hand on exactly how many people will harm, how many people will stand by and watch and how many people will laugh as you get beaten. It is no good sitting in a safe area and speak your minds,, you gotta come here and see for yourself how bad the hate really is and how it is a lot of black people and not a few like you'd like to believe.

I wouldn't use the words Lisa uses but she is correct in her thinking.

Oh,,by the way,, I have been called a racist many times, it doesn't bother me, just like being called fagot doesn't bother me,, they are just words.

But the true test for non believing tgirls is to come to Baltimore and see first hand how you will be treated by black people. Oh, by the way, make sure you wear a hidden camera so we all can see you get beaten up like the poor girl did in Mcdonalds.

If it wasn't for the few white red necks living in Baltimore this place would really be a dump.

[lisaparadise]

for all the white tgirls or even their admirers, if you don't believe what lisa says is true, then come to baltimore where i live and take a walk around monroe st and north ave or on the east side on madison st and greenmount. Go to theses areas and see for yourself if it is only a small minority of black people who commit hate towards others. I feel this is the best way to learn first hand on exactly how many people will harm, how many people will stand by and watch and how many people will laugh as you get beaten. It is no good sitting in a safe area and speak your minds,, you gotta come here and see for yourself how bad the hate really is and how it is a lot of black people and not a few like you'd like to believe.

I wouldn't use the words lisa uses but she is correct in her thinking.

Oh,,by the way,, i have been called a racist many times, it doesn't bother me, just like being called fagot doesn't bother me,, they are just words.

But the true test for non believing tgirls is to come to baltimore and see first hand how you will be treated by black people. Oh, by the way, make sure you wear a hidden camera so we all can see you get beaten up like the poor girl did in mcdonalds.

If it wasn't for the few white red necks living in baltimore this place would really be a dump.very well said little woman,when i try and make a point i am extremely blunt just so my point gets across and it works everytime lol.im not racist im a bigot thers no denying that i am white the supreme race and am extremely proad of it.when blacks wanna be treated as my equill then they better wake the fuck up and stop the bullshit.and to make it crystal fucking clear i hate anybody and everybody who disrespects me and my sisters no matter what colour they are.

[traLika]

where do blacks get off thinking there above trans and gays like give your heads a shake people last time i checked white folks used to own blacks so how is it they think there better?fuckin idiots.its shamefull and discuting white people rarely act like animals but blacks seem to have wrote the book on it.

Oh Lise… that’s just the sort of generalization I was talking about. Sure, some black people behave like animals, but there are many who don’t and tarring them all with the same brush isn’t gonna help anyone…

And as others have already pointed out on this thread, there are also plenty of whites that behave like animals too. Like this little scumbag, for example:

[Yvonne183]

How does one stamp a gay man to death???


I agree with ys Tra,, it is not all black people but I do stand by my words that it isn't a few bad apples like one wants to believe, here in baltimore it is a lot more than just a few bad apples.

Oh,, did they mean stomped?

And I agree again, this girl should do heavy jail time,,, no sympathy from me,, but the thugs in Baltimore also don't spend much time in jail if any time at all.

[Solitary Brother]

I'd like to know what numbers you're referencing, as I know I've personally never received a survey inquiring as to my opinion on gays and transsexuals or my tendency toward violence. If you, as a self-hating black man, get these surveys where the rest of us don't, clearly you don't get them because you're black or a man.

I also haven't seen a single person participating in this thread, white, black or other, who has even remotely implied that the actions taken by these fools was appropriate on any level, so I'm not sure where you're seeing "negroes" coming up with excuses or refusing to denounce violence. Altogether then, you've done nothing but make yourself look a fool by bringing your self-loathing into a thread that wasn't even remotely about you, so if that was your goal as opposed to offering something of value to the discussion, congratulations, Uncle Ruckus.

I dont hate myself I hate those baboons that beat that girl.
Like I said.....Blacks are violent and support violence.
There is ALWAYS an excuse presented to explain why some incident happened.
You know it kind of funny...when the shoe is on the other foot its ALWAYS about race.
But when blacks are the aggressors its never about race.
The so-called blacks that are on this board very rarely denounce these incidents in strong terms.
The denunciation is always tepid and there is always a "but" in there and its very meek and mild.
Or they dont say anything at all.
At some point you are going to have to admit THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM.
I call it like I see it.

[lisaparadise]

oh lise… that’s just the sort of generalization i was talking about. Sure, some black people behave like animals, but there are many who don’t and tarring them all with the same brush isn’t gonna help anyone…

and as others have already pointed out on this thread, there are also plenty of whites that behave like animals too. Like this little scumbag, for example:im not saying all black guys are animals lol but it seems pretty clear to me that whenever i turn the news on at 11 its always black guys who shoot and kill people on a nightly basic but im thinkin its our governments way of gun control we give them to blacks and watch them shoot each other it may sound silly but its closer to the truth then you think.

[lisaparadise]

i dont hate myself i hate those baboons that beat that girl.
Like i said.....blacks are violent and support violence.
There is always an excuse presented to explain why some incident happened.
You know it kind of funny...when the shoe is on the other foot its always about race.
But when blacks are the aggressors its never about race.
The so-called blacks that are on this board very rarely denounce these incidents in strong terms.
The denunciation is always tepid and there is always a "but" in there and its very meek and mild.
Or they dont say anything at all.
At some point you are going to have to admit that there is a problem.
I call it like i see it.wtf?your black?naaaaaaaaaaaa

[traLika]

How does one stamp a gay man to death???


I agree with ys Tra,, it is not all black people but I do stand by my words that it isn't a few bad apples like one wants to believe, here in baltimore it is a lot more than just a few bad apples.

Oh,, did they mean stomped?

And I agree again, this girl should do heavy jail time,,, no sympathy from me,, but the thugs in Baltimore also don't spend much time in jail if any time at all.

Yeah, she stomped his head and kicked it in.

I understand what you’re saying about people in Baltimore though. Move to some place nicer if you can!

[Yvonne183]

im not saying all black guys are animals lol but it seems pretty clear to me that whenever i turn the news on at 11 its always black guys who shoot and kill people on a nightly basic but im thinkin its our governments way of gun control we give them to blacks and watch them shoot each other it may sound silly but its closer to the truth then you think.


That is also why some people say that most Planned parenthood buildings are in poor black areas, for easy convenience to abortions. Just a conspiracy type of thing, don't know how true that is.

[traLika]

im not saying all black guys are animals lol but it seems pretty clear to me that whenever i turn the news on at 11 its always black guys who shoot and kill people on a nightly basic but im thinkin its our governments way of gun control we give them to blacks and watch them shoot each other it may sound silly but its closer to the truth then you think.

It all depends on where you live. Over here there are lots of black people and white people committing the murders on the news.

[Dean Wormer]

thats the first thing i saw.i say we ship them back to haiti and bring back slavery fuck em these idiots are animals and if you dont like my attitude then look in the mirrer and shape up for fucks sakes.

I never argue with the mentally disabled.

[traLika]

Wow, I didn't realize John Vernon was into tgirls... ;)

(Oh well, at least Dean will get it...)

[TJ347]

Yeah, she stomped his head and kicked it in.


No! Not that precious little snowflake... That would put Lisa in the position of having to backpedal on her "ship 'em back to Haiti" and "bring back slavery" comments! Buck up though, Lisa. I'm familiar enough with this story to know there was a black guy involved and he got considerably more time. Hell, being an animal and all, he probably made the poor, innocent, little white girl stomp that guy to death against her will... Or at least I'm sure that's what you and the imbecile who started this thread will run with.

You know Lisa, you're as bad as Ashley George with your racist bullshit, and particularly with how easily you descend into it. Actually, she's better than you in that respect, as she isn't in the uniquely hypocritical position of behaving worse than an animal while deeming other people to be animals. No, I haven't forgotten the vid wherein you pissed on your own face and licked it up off the floor. Even my dogs have never done that shit, and they actually are animals. Pathetic.

[nonnonnon]

white people commit crimes, too so it's okay :) let's sweep this under the rug. If you don't agree with the attack, you're being intolerant

[TJ347]

For all the white tgirls or even their admirers, if you don't believe what Lisa says is true, then come to baltimore where I live and take a walk around Monroe st and North Ave or on the east side on Madison St and Greenmount. Go to theses areas and see for yourself if it is only a small minority of black people who commit hate towards others. I feel this is the best way to learn first hand on exactly how many people will harm, how many people will stand by and watch and how many people will laugh as you get beaten. It is no good sitting in a safe area and speak your minds,, you gotta come here and see for yourself how bad the hate really is and how it is a lot of black people and not a few like you'd like to believe.

I wouldn't use the words Lisa uses but she is correct in her thinking.

Oh,,by the way,, I have been called a racist many times, it doesn't bother me, just like being called fagot doesn't bother me,, they are just words.

But the true test for non believing tgirls is to come to Baltimore and see first hand how you will be treated by black people. Oh, by the way, make sure you wear a hidden camera so we all can see you get beaten up like the poor girl did in Mcdonalds.

If it wasn't for the few white red necks living in Baltimore this place would really be a dump.

I previously hesitated to say it, but even with the few white rednecks living in Baltimore, it's a fucking dump and has been for quite some time. The crime is ridiculous there, and the largely black population are the biggest perpetrators of it. People are ignorant and rude as hell for the most part, from my experience, and I personally feel my life is in danger in many parts of Baltimore, if not most parts. However, none of this validates anything Lisa said, and certainly not her reasoning.

Let's investigate your reasoning though, Yvonne: Baltimore is so fucking bad, and yet you're still there. People leave Middle Eastern and African shitholes for a better life elsewhere, yet you can't leave Baltimore. No, all you can do is make suppositions about an entire group of people because you lack the common sense to remove yourself from a fucking shithole city. What's the problem? Do you need a train ticket or bus pass? I'll donate the fucking money, if it will wisen your ass the fuck up. Recognize the part your own fucked up decisions play in the situation you find yourself in and stop blaming black people or whoever else is convenient for your problems. Or not. You can stay whining in that shithole and rot for all I care; I myself wouldn't ever go back to Baltimore or anywhere else I felt so threatened if I were you, but then I have sense enough to understand that I can leave a city and go to another one. There's a little clue for you in there somewhere...

[TJ347]

I dont hate myself I hate those baboons that beat that girl.
Like I said.....Blacks are violent and support violence.
There is ALWAYS an excuse presented to explain why some incident happened.
You know it kind of funny...when the shoe is on the other foot its ALWAYS about race.
But when blacks are the aggressors its never about race.
The so-called blacks that are on this board very rarely denounce these incidents in strong terms.
The denunciation is always tepid and there is always a "but" in there and its very meek and mild.
Or they dont say anything at all.
At some point you are going to have to admit THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM.
I call it like I see it.

As no one, black, white or other has supported the violence the woman in question experienced or tried to excuse it, nor have you seen fit to find fault with characterizations of yourself as a black person as a subhuman degenerate by a racist loser, a self-professed white supremacist transsexual, and a misguided bigot who can't find her way out of a town wherein she's not safe... I call ruckus and keep it moving. You're the worst kind of black person, worse even than the scumbags discussed in this thread.

[Quiet Reflections]

Baltimore City is Mostly black but Baltimore County is about 75% white and there are way more than a few rednecks living there. Baltimore city is not part of Baltimore County

[runningdownthatdream]

I previously hesitated to say it, but even with the few white rednecks living in Baltimore, it's a fucking dump and has been for quite some time. The crime is ridiculous there, and the largely black population are the biggest perpetrators of it. People are ignorant and rude as hell for the most part, from my experience, and I personally feel my life is in danger in many parts of Baltimore, if not most parts. However, none of this validates anything Lisa said, and certainly not her reasoning.

Let's investigate your reasoning though, Yvonne: Baltimore is so fucking bad, and yet you're still there. People leave Middle Eastern and African shitholes for a better life elsewhere, yet you can't leave Baltimore. No, all you can do is make suppositions about an entire group of people because you lack the common sense to remove yourself from a fucking shithole city. What's the problem? Do you need a train ticket or bus pass? I'll donate the fucking money, if it will wisen your ass the fuck up. Recognize the part your own fucked up decisions play in the situation you find yourself in and stop blaming black people or whoever else is convenient for your problems. Or not. You can stay whining in that shithole and rot for all I care; I myself wouldn't ever go back to Baltimore or anywhere else I felt so threatened if I were you, but then I have sense enough to understand that I can leave a city and go to another one. There's a little clue for you in there somewhere...

Both of them are admitted victims of physical and mental abuse and that's the problem. When you have a victim mentality you become incapable of bettering yourself.

One is living in a place she hates and considers the people around her to be animals but can't come up with a few dollars for a bus ticket and even if she did most likely has no career or anything to pay the bills in another city.

The other clown lives in a backwoods town, sells her ass as a career, drinks her urine on camera, and breaks the law daily by soliciting men for sex and evading paying income tax. Yet somehow considers herself superior because she's white.

They prove one thing for sure - idiots can be found everywhere.

[TJ347]

I give neither a pass. Lisa's not worth further discussion, but Yvonne? She's prostituting in Baltimore to pay the bills, so why can't she do that in another city? I'm not even saying she has to leave Maryland... Just leave the city you claim is so dangerous your life is in jeopardy. If you can sell ass to keep the lights on, you can buy a ticket on Greyhound. It's not that expensive, especially if you don't even leave the fucking state. I swear... you're right; idiots can be found everywhere.

[timxxx]

I give neither a pass. Lisa's not worth further discussion, but Yvonne? She's prostituting in Baltimore to pay the bills, so why can't she do that in another city? I'm not even saying she has to leave Maryland... Just leave the city you claim is so dangerous your life is in jeopardy. If you can sell ass to keep the lights on, you can buy a ticket on Greyhound. It's not that expensive, especially if you don't even leave the fucking state. I swear... you're right; idiots can be found everywhere.
Maybe the crack is cheaper in Baltimore :shrug

[tsdvdman]

Both of them are admitted victims of physical and mental abuse and that's the problem. When you have a victim mentality you become incapable of bettering yourself.

One is living in a place she hates and considers the people around her to be animals but can't come up with a few dollars for a bus ticket and even if she did most likely has no career or anything to pay the bills in another city.

The other clown lives in a backwoods town, sells her ass as a career, drinks her urine on camera, and breaks the law daily by soliciting men for sex and evading paying income tax. Yet somehow considers herself superior because she's white.

They prove one thing for sure - idiots can be found everywhere.
Let's not forget Lisa also bragged about giving a 6'3 300 pound bouncer a major beatdown. Now that's an Animal..lol

[Quiet Reflections]

Maybe the crack is cheaper in Baltimore :shrug
Baltimore is a heroin city

[joeninety]

where do blacks get off thinking there above trans and gays like give your heads a shake people last time i checked white folks used to own blacks so how is it they think there better?fuckin idiots.its shamefull and discuting white people rarely act like animals but blacks seem to have wrote the book on it.

lmfao you are seriously killing me you are so dumb the irony is that you can't even figure out what an animalistic statement you have just made fucking hilarious, and get your facts straight dummy blacks traded blacks to whites, whites have also been traded guess you have never heard of the white slave trade,http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs982a.html

For flip sake what do you think working class people are nowadays, they are wage slaves on the bare minimum, slavery/enslavement of the human race exists and it is not limited to one colour you dumb skank.

So no you are not superior because for the most part you are not even acknowledged by your own kin, and to be honest you are so far from civilised that you are not worthy, think you should jog on with your false superiority complex and go join the baboons and drink some more piss ah ha ah ha

[Yvonne183]

I previously hesitated to say it, but even with the few white rednecks living in Baltimore, it's a fucking dump and has been for quite some time. The crime is ridiculous there, and the largely black population are the biggest perpetrators of it. People are ignorant and rude as hell for the most part, from my experience, and I personally feel my life is in danger in many parts of Baltimore, if not most parts. However, none of this validates anything Lisa said, and certainly not her reasoning.

Let's investigate your reasoning though, Yvonne: Baltimore is so fucking bad, and yet you're still there. People leave Middle Eastern and African shitholes for a better life elsewhere, yet you can't leave Baltimore. No, all you can do is make suppositions about an entire group of people because you lack the common sense to remove yourself from a fucking shithole city. What's the problem? Do you need a train ticket or bus pass? I'll donate the fucking money, if it will wisen your ass the fuck up. Recognize the part your own fucked up decisions play in the situation you find yourself in and stop blaming black people or whoever else is convenient for your problems. Or not. You can stay whining in that shithole and rot for all I care; I myself wouldn't ever go back to Baltimore or anywhere else I felt so threatened if I were you, but then I have sense enough to understand that I can leave a city and go to another one. There's a little clue for you in there somewhere...


I live in Baltimore because it is my home, it is where i want to live. I guess one can make a similar analogy to a black person who lives in Selma Alabama during the 50's, If they don't like the hate where they live then they should have just move out. that can be said of any black person who today lives among white people who hate them,, they should stop whining and just move to somewhere else,, this would solve all problems. Black people in my area don't have anything to do with my mental problems, but they do when they commit criminal acts against me or people I know. I blame them for the deeds they do, not for the personal problems I face

[joeninety]

I dont hate myself I hate those baboons that beat that girl.
Like I said.....Blacks are violent and support violence.
There is ALWAYS an excuse presented to explain why some incident happened.
You know it kind of funny...when the shoe is on the other foot its ALWAYS about race.
But when blacks are the aggressors its never about race.
The so-called blacks that are on this board very rarely denounce these incidents in strong terms.
The denunciation is always tepid and there is always a "but" in there and its very meek and mild.
Or they dont say anything at all.
At some point you are going to have to admit THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM.
I call it like I see it.

You dumb uncle Tom Nigger where the fuck do you get this shit that you post...........I am black and i am disgusted by what was done and i am not just saying it, had i been there i would of grabbed those 2 sluts and given em a slap and if it caused a brawl so be it............but what use is it really for me to make such a statement its not going to alter what has happened i am pissed when i see that video but what good comes from being loud and aggressive all that does is plays into the hands of people like mutton dressed as lamb paradise...........smarten up and stop hating your colour because clearly you do.....................

Colour plays to much of a role in this shit when i look at that video i see two people beating/bullying a third, this type of thing goes off everywhere around the world and all colours are involved, colour is irrelevant the fact is this is what humans do to each other from the congo black on black to Iraq mainly white on yellow, to the middle east whites on semi whites, colour is not the problem human nature is become, colour blind and see things for what they are................

[Yvonne183]

Both of them are admitted victims of physical and mental abuse and that's the problem. When you have a victim mentality you become incapable of bettering yourself.

One is living in a place she hates and considers the people around her to be animals but can't come up with a few dollars for a bus ticket and even if she did most likely has no career or anything to pay the bills in another city.

The other clown lives in a backwoods town, sells her ass as a career, drinks her urine on camera, and breaks the law daily by soliciting men for sex and evading paying income tax. Yet somehow considers herself superior because she's white.

They prove one thing for sure - idiots can be found everywhere.

I say to you as I said before,,, come on down to Baltimore with a hidden camera and live among these people, until you do that your words are meaningless

[joeninety]

I live in Baltimore because it is my home, it is where i want to live. I guess one can make a similar analogy to a black person who lives in Selma Alabama during the 50's, If they don't like the hate where they live then they should just move out. that can be said of any black person who today lives among white people who hate them,, they should stop whining and just move to somewhere else,, this would solve all problems.

Become colour blind yvonne fact is whilst everyone is at each others throats it makes it easy for the system to control its populations, for if the populations were united they would not take this bs that the system dishes out and fairness could be attained and not merely for those at the top of the ladder.

The system has us divided, and united we stand divided we fall........................

[Yvonne183]

Baltimore City is Mostly black but Baltimore County is about 75% white and there are way more than a few rednecks living there. Baltimore city is not part of Baltimore County


I don't know if you are talking to me but in my post I referred to Baltimore City..

But areas like Rosedale, Northeast baltimore as well as Edgewood in Harford county are now the dumping grounds for black people out of the projects that the Governor demolished so's to make a better downtown for the liberal white yuppies to live in. projects like Flag houses for example,, where did these people go? Into the counties and now the counties are paying the price as we see by the video.

[Yvonne183]

Become colour blind yvonne fact is whilst everyone is at each others throats it makes it easy for the system to control its populations, for if the populations were united they would not take this bs that the system dishes out and fairness could be attained and not merely for those at the top of the ladder.

The system has us divided, and united we stand divided we fall........................


I understand what you say and I agree with you. But the system is somewhere that i can not see or control. The thugs are on my street corner all day and night, it is them that I have to interact with and not talking to you Joeninety but others on this forum probably live in areas where they don't have to walk the gauntlet every time one goes to the store.

[joeninety]

I understand what you say and I agree with you. But the system is somewhere that i can not see or control. The thugs are on my street corner all day and night, it is them that I have to interact with and not talking to you Joeninety but others on this forum probably live in areas where they don't have to walk the gauntlet every time one goes to the store.


I hear what you say about having to run the gauntlet, but lack of fairness created that and through it people are not wise and make these bad decisions, most of the time people are blinded to who the true enemy is.

We could fight the system if we stopped fighting each other, the system is your Goverment, clandestine intelligence agencies, oil barons and there buddies and anyone else at the top of the corporate tree.

But in order to survive they need you me and every other poor sucker who falls for there bullshit and lives this conditioned life that they put in motion for us all by lack of equalities, opportunities and injustices people need to look around at how those above manipulate those below and see that actually they have penned us all into the same slave ships and that we all have more in common with each other than those above and that we are enslaved but fail to realise this fact, stop the infighting, wisen up, and start uniting against the true enemy..........

[TJ347]

I live in Baltimore because it is my home, it is where i want to live. I guess one can make a similar analogy to a black person who lives in Selma Alabama during the 50's, If they don't like the hate where they live then they should just move out. that can be said of any black person who today lives among white people who hate them,, they should stop whining and just move to somewhere else,, this would solve all problems. Black people in my area don't have anything to do with my mental problems, but they do when they commit criminal acts against me or people I know. I blame them for the deeds they do, not for the personal problems I face

In fact, my grandparents moved from South Carolina in the late 1940s precisely because of minor inconveniences like the threat of being lynched by white people. Sure, they loved their home, but self-preservation trumped that. They couldn't fix the racial problems of the south, nor are you being asked to fix the myriad problems of Baltimore. You are being asked to either use common sense and act in self-preservation, or else accept the fact that it's your fault alone that you put up with Baltimore's general shittiness, because you choose to continue living there. That isn't the fault of anyone else, be they black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander or whatever the fuck else. It's your fault alone, and it's cowardly in the extreme to do nothing but bitch about it when you have alternatives. My home is Trenton, New Jersey, but I live in Pennsylvania. Why? Because Trenton is a shit town, that's why. Make the connection?

Do you even realize your entire argument is akin to being in a sinking boat and refusing to abandon it for safety because it's your boat? Your logic fails. I don't know what your personal problems are, but I doubt black people or criminals have anything whatsoever to do with them.

[Yvonne183]

I hear what you say about having to run the gauntlet, but lack of fairness created that and through it people are not wise and make these bad decisions, most of the time people are blinded to who the true enemy is.

We could fight the system if we stopped fighting each other, the system is your Goverment, clandestine intelligence agencies, oil barons and there buddies and anyone else at the top of the corporate tree.

But in order to survive they need you me and every other poor sucker who falls for there bullshit and lives this conditioned life that they put in motion for us all by lack of equalities, opportunities and injustices people need to look around at how those above manipulate those below and see that actually they have penned us all into the same slave ships and that we all have more in common with each other than those above and that we are enslaved but fail to realise this fact, stop the fighting wise up and start uniting against the true enemy..........

Again. I agree with you, no probs with what you say, I agree. But let's take the next step,, how do I, as a white tgirl approach these black criminals and tell them that I am their side against the bad doings of the Gov't and big business? Really now, what do you think their reaction would be?

One more time,, no where in any of my posts did I say all black people. I only said that a majority of blacks where I live will not accept the way I live, some will be violent to me, some will just watch as on the vid and others would laugh. I only talk about where I live and again, if one doesn't believe me, visit Baltimore and see for yourself. Come down here as a white tgirl and walk along North Ave in east Baltimore and you'll see that what I say is true.

I never said all blacks people,,but come on down here and see for yourself, that is all I can say. Seeing is believing

[Yvonne183]

In fact, my grandparents moved from South Carolina in the late 1940s precisely because of minor inconveniences like the threat of being lynched by white people. Sure, they loved their home, but self-preservation trumped that. They couldn't fix the racial problems of the south, nor are you being asked to fix the myriad problems of Baltimore. You are being asked to either use common sense and act in self-preservation, or else accept the fact that it's your fault alone that you put up with Baltimore's general shittiness, because you choose to continue living there. That isn't the fault of anyone else, be they black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander or whatever the fuck else. It's your fault alone, and it's cowardly in the extreme to do nothing but bitch about it when you have alternatives. My home is Trenton, New Jersey, but I live in Pennsylvania. Why? Because Trenton is a shit town, that's why. Make the connection?

Do you even realize your entire argument is akin to being in a sinking boat and refusing to abandon it for safety because it's your boat? Your logic fails. I don't know what your personal problems are, but I doubt black people or criminals have anything whatsoever to do with them.

My logic does not fail. I speak correctly and without insults.

Joeminety just asked me to unite and fight the gov't for the problems I face. He didn't say to run away as you say. I would rather stay in my home and try to make the best of it, it is my home, maybe try and change things for the better rather than run away. Again this is my home and I should not feel that I have to run away just because others make life miserable, even you admit that others here make life miserable cause you say baltimore is a shithole. Well
it's not a shithole because of the buildings, bricks and morter don't create a bad living environment, people do. And by your own words you agree that baltimore is a shithole and since people create a shithole living environment and then also since Baltimore is a majority black then in your own words you are saying that black people create the shithole living conditions of Baltimore,, your words not mine.

As far as your grandparents moving, that is their choice,, my choice is to stay, and because I choose to stay that doesn't mean that I should live in horrible conditions created by others.

I am not cowardly and just bitch about it. All you see of me is on this forum. And as such I am only able to write on a forum, I can do no more than write, if it sounds like bitch, well what can I say, it is what it is.

[TJ347]

My logic does not fail. I speak correctly and without insults.

Joeminety just asked me to unite and fight the gov't for the problems I face. He didn't say to run away as you say. I would rather stay in my home and try to make the best of it, it is my home, maybe try and change things for the better rather than run away. Again this is my home and I should not feel that I have to run away just because others make life miserable, even you admit that others here make life miserable cause you say baltimore is a shithole. Well
it's not a shithole because of the buildings, bricks and morter don't create a bad living environment, people do. And by your own words you agree that baltimore is a shithole and since people create a shithole living environment and then also since Baltimore is a majority black then in your own words you are saying that black people create the shithole living conditions of Baltimore,, your words not mine.

As far as your grandparents moving, that is their choice,, my choice is to stay, and because I choose to stay that doesn't mean that I should live in horrible conditions created by others.

I am not cowardly and just bitch about it. All you see of me is on this forum. And as such I am only able to write on a forum, I can do no more than write, if it sounds like bitch, well what can I say, it is what it is.

Going from the fact that you cannot see where personal responsibility comes into play here, as well as the fact that you've mistakenly concluded that I was in any way saying black people are responsible for the conditions of Baltimore despite the fact I never even remotely touched on the subject, I'm now done.

Good luck, but unless you plan to run for mayor or governor, I don't know what you're going to do that's going to improve the situation in Baltimore. Bottom line is, you can no longer cry woe is me now that you've stated openly that you choose to stay in a city where you feel you are in danger. I certainly will not cry for you; you've been offered solutions and alternatives, and declined. One can't help someone who refuses to be helped, and there's likewise no point listening to continued calls for aid.

[joeninety]

Again. I agree with you, no probs with what you say, I agree. But let's take the next step,, how do I, as a white tgirl approach these black criminals and tell them that I am their side against the bad doings of the Gov't and big business? Really now, what do you think their reaction would be?

You don't approach directly you indirectly approach through education of the uneducated doing so over the generations until nonsensical intolerance is irradicated.
It is not a quick fix by any means, think more of a political setup created by like minded people sick of being dealt bs, it is possible all political parties were once small then grew, through passions and devotion, few united people can get the ball rolling to start to make the bigger changes just got to believe you can....

One more time,, no where in any of my posts did I say all black people. I only said that a majority of blacks where I live will not accept the way I live, some will be violent to me, some will just watch as on the vid and others would laugh. I only talk about where I live and again, if one doesn't believe me, visit Baltimore and see for yourself. Come down here as a white tgirl and walk along North Ave in east Baltimore and you'll see that what I say is true
I don't think you are a racist, (i think you're alright) i think you are a victim of circumstance and enviroment as are the others in your area they perpetrate what they do through ignorance and incarceration which only uneducates them even more so, all created by the true foe to keep all beneath oppressed and divided.


I never said all blacks people,,but come on down here and see for yourself, that is all I can say. Seeing is believing
I truly believe the situation is as dire as you say it is..............

[Yvonne183]

Going from the fact that you cannot see where personal responsibility comes into play here, as well as the fact that you've mistakenly concluded that I was in any way saying black people are responsible for the conditions of Baltimore despite the fact I never even remotely touched on the subject, I'm now done.

Good luck, but unless you plan to run for mayor or governor, I don't know what you're going to do that's going to improve the situation in Baltimore. Bottom line is, you can no longer cry woe is me now that you've stated openly that you choose to stay in a city where you feel you are in danger. I certainly will not cry for you; you've been offered solutions and alternatives, and declined. One can't help someone who refuses to be helped, and there's likewise no point listening to them call for aid.


Thamks but no thanks,, no one has to cry for me,, i do OK

I am not refusing help,, I just want to live in a city in the great USA without fear. This is not the 1940's or the 1970's, this is 2011 and no one should beheld hostage to the criminal element.

And I don't speak of just myself. There are plenty of black people in my hood that feel the same way as me. One neighbor, an old black woman lives in fear everytime she leaves her home,, should she just move.

Now I will make some insults before I end this topic,, you fuckin' fools on this forum even you,, t-lots of numbers. I might complain about the hoodlums, but do you know who are the most victims to these bad guys,, yea that's right, other black people, You freakin cry baby criminal pandering idiots on this forum show words of support to these black criminals who most times hurt other black people, mostly the weak like women and old black people. It is because of you assholes and the assholes liberals in the Baltimore and Maryland Gov't that coddle to these bad guys so more innocent black people are the victims of the horrible crimes. I have never said all black people are bad, I only talk about the criminal thugs and you ass hole idiots defend the criminals I speak of and criticize my comments about them.

You are a bunch of mindless fools, I might have mental probs but I am not stupid, iof all of your brains were added together they wouldn't fill a pea pod.

There,, i can insult just the same,, next time I hear of an old black woman being attacked in my hood I'll be thinking of you guys.

[joeninety]

in fact, my grandparents moved from south carolina in the late 1940s precisely because of minor inconveniences like the threat of being lynched by white people. Sure, they loved their home, but self-preservation trumped that. They couldn't fix the racial problems of the south, nor are you being asked to fix the myriad problems of baltimore. you are being asked to either use common sense and act in self-preservation, or else accept the fact that it's your fault alone that you put up with baltimore's general shittiness, because you choose to continue living there. That isn't the fault of anyone else, be they black, white, hispanic, asian, native american, pacific islander or whatever the fuck else. It's your fault alone, and it's cowardly in the extreme to do nothing but bitch about it when you have alternatives. My home is trenton, new jersey, but i live in pennsylvania. Why? Because trenton is a shit town, that's why. Make the connection?

Do you even realize your entire argument is akin to being in a sinking boat and refusing to abandon it for safety because it's your boat? Your logic fails. I don't know what your personal problems are, but i doubt black people or criminals have anything whatsoever to do with them.


it is establisments fault they have the power and the means to sort this out wanna ask why they don't yet they can go all around the globe spreading there supposed freedom and democracy what a joke they are taking everyone for idiots and are succeeding

[Yvonne183]

it is establisments fault they have the power and the means to sort this out wanna ask why they don't yet they can go all around the globe spreading there supposed freedom and democracy what a joke they are taking everyone for idiots and are succeeding


I agree with what you say Joe. But I am tired of fighting. If people on this forum don't understand what I say then how can I make others understand.

I say it again, it is not all black people I talk of, just the criminal element, I am not bitching, I am voicing my opinion on a forum unlike the old black women who can not voice their opinions on what they feel like living in fear.

I wish I could do something but T-lots of numbers might be right,, I gotta move. But who's to say that area won't have the same criminal element, they can move just as easily as I would. If we don't stop the criminals they will just move around the same as I or anyone else could, moving really won't sove anything.

I agree with you in that the powers do keep us separated and fighting each but we get rid of one idiot, Bush and we end up with another idiot Obama. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dom, it's too difficult to change anything here.

[Yvonne183]

Going from the fact that you cannot see where personal responsibility comes into play here, as well as the fact that you've mistakenly concluded that I was in any way saying black people are responsible for the conditions of Baltimore despite the fact I never even remotely touched on the subject, I'm now done.

Good luck, but unless you plan to run for mayor or governor, I don't know what you're going to do that's going to improve the situation in Baltimore. Bottom line is, you can no longer cry woe is me now that you've stated openly that you choose to stay in a city where you feel you are in danger. I certainly will not cry for you; you've been offered solutions and alternatives, and declined. One can't help someone who refuses to be helped, and there's likewise no point listening to continued calls for aid.

"You can stay whining in that shithole and rot for all I care"

"You are being asked to either use common sense and act in self-preservation, or else accept the fact that it's your fault alone that you put up with Baltimore's general shittiness,"

Here are your words saying where I live is a shithole, your own words. Also this is a typical liberal asshole response you give,, blame the victims of the hoodlums, blame me for wanting to live here but don't blame the hoodlums for creating this environment,, you give a typical asshole response.

[godivatgirls]

The McDonald's beating of a transwoman is emblematic of a deeper cultural problem among a lot of Americans, but especially Black Americans. None of the negroes in the restaurant did anything to help the woman getting beat by the two savages.
From my personal experience, 95% of the time I get harrassed is by a black person, the rest is mostly latino fools trying to act like them. Homophobia and transphobia (not that they can even distinguish) is a serious problem among African-Americans. Enough of being politically correct and not say it like it is...Is not racist, is the fucking truth. Black people need to be taught how to mind their own fucking business and stay the fuck out of other people's sexuality or gender, and I don't see white people having as much problems as they do with minding their own fucking business.
Well Said TJ347.... As much as Gay and Lesbian having issues with black people that may be true... Every law on the books in this country that stops gays or lesbian from getting marry was writing by white people and white run government around the world...

[Willie Escalade]

...white people rarely act like animals ...
I guess systematically killing over 8 million people within a four to five year period (and holding them in a "zoo", like animals, before they did) doesn't qualify as acting like an animal...

[joeninety]

[Yvonne;] I agree with what you say Joe. But I am tired of fighting. If people on this forum don't understand what I say then how can I make others understand.
I get where you are coming from and i understand what you are saying, but don't get disheartened, i think others may get it cos they have stopped attacking you, why should you run from your home and why should you have to live your life in fear and the answer is you shouldn't and thats why you stayed.

I say it again, it is not all black people I talk of, just the criminal element, I am not bitching, I am voicing my opinion on a forum unlike the old black women who can not voice their opinions on what they feel like living in fear.
Good on you for voicing your opinions at least it is a valid one unlike lisa (plastic surgery gone wrong) paradise, you only talk it cos you live it and others need to get that.

I wish I could do something but T-lots of numbers might be right,, I gotta move. But who's to say that area won't have the same criminal element, they can move just as easily as I would. If we don't stop the criminals they will just move around the same as I or anyone else could, moving really won't sove anything.
No it won't but education, equality and justice will, it is a long old path but maybe you could think about that purpose thing it could be your calling

I agree with you in that the powers do keep us separated and fighting each but we get rid of one idiot, Bush and we end up with another idiot Obama.
Tweedle dee and Tweedle dom, it's too difficult to change anything here.
Totally agree with you on the Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumb flex always thought Obama was to good to be true, another puppet on the payroll, never give up though because the defeatist attitude is the path to nowhere and you're better than that, things may be hard going but things can be changed at the local level if you could garner support (though not sure how hard that will be to do) look through history and study people who fought against oppression see how there belief saw them through and got them to there goal, hey you only have to look at Tweedle dumb 1st black into the white house, so shit is possible.............

[LittleGuy]

White Power!

[Quiet Reflections]

White Power!....

[Yvonne183]

I'm sorry for my posts,, I shouldn't be a cry baby and complain. I make these mistakes so many times on forums. i say the wrong things. Sorry.

[lisaparadise]

as no one, black, white or other has supported the violence the woman in question experienced or tried to excuse it, nor have you seen fit to find fault with characterizations of yourself as a black person as a subhuman degenerate by a racist loser, a self-professed white supremacist transsexual, and a misguided bigot who can't find her way out of a town wherein she's not safe... I call ruckus and keep it moving. You're the worst kind of black person, worse even than the scumbags discussed in this thread.the only scumbag is you nigger so go climb a tree and scratch your underarms loser.

[lisaparadise]

i guess systematically killing over 8 million people within a four to five year period (and holding them in a "zoo", like animals, before they did) doesn't qualify as acting like an animal...what the fuck are you talking about moron

[Yvonne183]

This might not have anything to do with the topic but it's interesting to what I have been saying.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-weekend-homicides-20110424,0,1458955.story

[kittyKaiti]

what the fuck are you talking about moron

He's talking about World War II when the (white) Nazis genocided the Jews among several other peoples and races.

Don't forget the (white) Soviets who also genocided millions of people and who knows how many African Americans were tortured and killed during the US slavery period. And also nearly 100 million native Americans mass murdered by (white) European Colonists and later the US government in the 1800's.

[BellaBellucci]

This thread makes me even more disappointed in the human race.

~BB~