Gas prices?

[tslvr]

Just my opinion here, but my feeling is the small amount of economic recovery we had started to see will soon come to an end with the gas prices back up in the $4/gallon range. Any thoughts?

[Jericho]

Gee...4 Bucks a gallon, what a rip-off!

[Richctdude]

it will bring the economy to a stand still all so a few rich people can make even more money... I just paid 4.05 yesterday total bs

[archineer]

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[CORVETTEDUDE]

it will bring the economy to a stand still all so a few rich people can make even more money... I just paid 4.05 yesterday total bs


:iagree: I won't get political here but, it has a considerable amount to do with decisions made by the administration.

[Brandi Boots]

$4 Gas is a back-breaker. I don not see a way for normal life to continue for average people when such a high percent of you your bring home income goes to gas.

Even the Tranny chasers and mongers will melt into the shadows as everyone has to cut back on luxury buys..... And you know your screwed when the chasers melt into the shadows..... kinda like in a scarry movie when everthing gets still and quite. You know Jason is gonna jump out with a hack saw or something!

[Quiet Reflections]

:iagree: I won't get political here but, it has a considerable amount to do with decisions made by the administration.
Gas prices were higher during the last administration but maybe your right Obama is a secret OPEC member and he just wants our weekly gas money to fix all the budget problems that were left for him.

[dgs925]

They are only going to get higher. The answer is pretty simple, stop driving so much. Stop living 20 miles away from where you work. Get an electric car. This shit has been a long time coming, don't act surprised.

[tslvr]

Screw the electric, just stop driving as much and prices will come down and start drilling for more of our own oil.

[rodinuk]

In the UK we're spending $10 a gallon

[Brandi Boots]

its easy to say stop driving so much when you live in small states or big city areas....Here in Texas our state is freakin HUGE! With all the ranch/farm land, you have to rack up the miles unless you live in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio or Austin. We have areas in west Texas where the closest town is 30-40 miles away.

And before you say "move to the city", its not always that simple. Sometimes thats not possible. Also, who do you think grows the food that you buy in the cities? Its kinda tough to plow up the back fourty when it has been paved.....just sayin'

[wayz]

fucking hate gas price. have to sell my V6 soon

[iamdrgonzo]

Free money from the Fed, coupled with ever decreasing competition mergers/acquisitions, mixed with lax regulation and a toothless/captive regulatory regimen under the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) equal rising oil/gas prices.

All one need do is look at the De Beers paradigm to understand how all markets can be fixed in this case the diamond market is not about supply or demand. The scarcity in the market is artificially created by De Beers by controlling the diamond market from the mine-shaft to the retail sales counter. This scheme allows De Beers to mark up the pricing of it's diamonds by controlling the supply.

It is this very scheme that is being practiced by big oil.

[ottorockets]

Here in NYC, i get around by taxi mostly...but my parents work and live in Florida and they tell me gas has nearly douibled since Obama took office. I'm not voting for him again, his energy policy seems to be to punish Americans while Soros profits. We need to be energy independent but we also can't get there overnight and cause our economy to go down the toilet. No leadership IMO.

[sunairco]

In the UK we're spending $10 a gallon

Yeah, BUT a good deal of that $10 price is subsidizing your transportation infrastructure that in many cases you don't need to drive or own a car. Here in the states were driving on roads and bridges that are over 50 years old and badly in need of maintainance. Most communities have either no public transportation or so unreliable, that you can't depend on it for getting to work. For the most part, there is no planning to the public transportation and the routes are politically determined between adjacent communities so rather then move people to where they need to go to work or shop has been altered by politicians to make sure they get a part of a federal subsidy by absolutely absurd routes that aimlessly move around in circles to make sure part of the route goes into places that have no need for it. Then there is the issue of tolls and now mandatory electronic transponders that have put toll booth workers out of work. If there is any investment to repair or build a major new road it's either privately funded or funded with toll agreement that recovers the investment quickly and generates huge profits. In many places cities require a pre-paid decal for people that commute through the city from adjacent communities. We don't get free lunch here on $4/gallon when you figure tolls,fees,and in many cases psychotic traffic enforcement that's got nothing to do with traffic and only to generate huge fines. A red light or radar camera can cost you over $300 in the states. Then we have gridlock in many municipal areas due to haphazard civil planning and unsynchronized traffic lights. My daily commute in the morning is about 7 miles to my office. I spend easily 45 minutes to an hour in stalled or creeping traffic..longer if there is a wreck. I consider myself lucky. But my gas cost nearly quadruples over what it would cost if I could just drive there without sitting in traffic. Yeah, I'd gladly pay $10/gallon if I could either take a bus to work and not pay nearly $USD 2000.00 a year for insurance with a perfect driving record or be able to drive to work on a modern road system.

[karlacox]

Im driving an american vehicle in britain not a good move lol
time for LPG conversion cos im not getting rid of my jeeeep!

[BellaBellucci]

and not pay nearly $USD 2000.00 a year for insurance with a perfect driving record...

What the hell do you drive man?! That's a LOT of money for insurance. I only pay $70/month. When I had full coverage, it was only $120/month. :lol:

~BB~

[deangamble1967]

Yeah, BUT a good deal of that $10 price is subsidizing your transportation infrastructure that in many cases you don't need to drive or own a car. Here in the states were driving on roads and bridges that are over 50 years old and badly in need of maintainance. Most communities have either no public transportation or so unreliable, that you can't depend on it for getting to work. For the most part, there is no planning to the public transportation and the routes are politically determined between adjacent communities so rather then move people to where they need to go to work or shop has been altered by politicians to make sure they get a part of a federal subsidy by absolutely absurd routes that aimlessly move around in circles to make sure part of the route goes into places that have no need for it. Then there is the issue of tolls and now mandatory electronic transponders that have put toll booth workers out of work. If there is any investment to repair or build a major new road it's either privately funded or funded with toll agreement that recovers the investment quickly and generates huge profits. In many places cities require a pre-paid decal for people that commute through the city from adjacent communities. We don't get free lunch here on $4/gallon when you figure tolls,fees,and in many cases psychotic traffic enforcement that's got nothing to do with traffic and only to generate huge fines. A red light or radar camera can cost you over $300 in the states. Then we have gridlock in many municipal areas due to haphazard civil planning and unsynchronized traffic lights. My daily commute in the morning is about 7 miles to my office. I spend easily 45 minutes to an hour in stalled or creeping traffic..longer if there is a wreck. I consider myself lucky. But my gas cost nearly quadruples over what it would cost if I could just drive there without sitting in traffic. Yeah, I'd gladly pay $10/gallon if I could either take a bus to work and not pay nearly $USD 2000.00 a year for insurance with a perfect driving record or be able to drive to work on a modern road system.
I'm afraid youve been fed an ideal that doesnt exist here in the UK. $10 per gallon, roads in a terrible state of repair, and an average speed around major cities of about 10 miles an hour. I lived in london for 10 years and had to drive becuase the public transport system from where I lived to where I had to get to was rubbish. A 10 mile trip took me on average about an hour, I paid £800 per yr insurance struggled to park and at the end was paying $12 a day in congestion charge. Now I live in the country, I have no public transport options whatsoever, the roads are unpassable in the winter, we have 2 cars, drive on average 300 miles a week in each car, pay £275 a year on road tax and £500 on insurance on each car and then the $10 per gallon so I'm spending about US$10k a year just on fuel, so please dont tell me how wonderful the transport system is here becuaes it is one of the worse in Europe. The massive taxation that we pay DOES NOT get put back in to the road transport system but subsides the shortfall we have in so many other areas.

[FreddieGomez]

idk but the one thing i love about livin in the city is not havin to have a car

[Ben]

Actual oil prices will continue to climb. And thus throwing the economy into another tailspin, as it were.
The American economist Barry Eichengreen described the perpetual cycle of boom and bust (as the economy has become increasingly volatile since its financialization) as the: doom loop.
And the busts, as it were, will be more severe. Pretty bleak outlook, eh? ha! ha!
Mistake number one: lowering taxes on the super-rich. 2) The financialization of the economy. 3) the offshoring of middle class jobs.
As the economist Paul Craig Roberts said: You can't have a full recovery if we continue to offshore jobs. It's, essentially, bleeding the economy.

[mtbazz]

They are only going to get higher. The answer is pretty simple, stop driving so much. Stop living 20 miles away from where you work. Get an electric car. This shit has been a long time coming, don't act surprised.


Easier said than done. I work outside of princeton nj and there is no affordable housing in that area for me, unless I want to live in a cardboard box...as a result I have to live 30 miles from my job to be able to afford a house that is not a POS or in the ghetto.

Gas prices higher in the previous admin? Sorry but show me proof. I don't recall paying over $4.00 a gallon when Bush was president.

Personally I think the the curren administration is in favor of high gas prices.

[onmyknees]

Gas prices were higher during the last administration but maybe your right Obama is a secret OPEC member and he just wants our weekly gas money to fix all the budget problems that were left for him.


With all due respect...you're inaccurate. ( a nice way of saying wrong) ! We never paid 4 bucks a gallon under the last administration. I paid that yesterday. 18 months ago I paid just over 3 bucks a gallon, and Bush was long retired and writing a book. It's 4 bucks a gallon now, and he's still retired. So who do I blame now? :dancing:

[loren]

They are only going to get higher. The answer is pretty simple, stop driving so much. Stop living 20 miles away from where you work.
:bs: I drive about 25 miles one way. Also, I plan on doing a lot of traveling (by car)this summer.

Gas prices higher in the previous admin? Sorry but show me proof. I don't recall paying over $4.00 a gallon when Bush was president.

Personally I think the the curren administration is in favor of high gas prices.
That's what I'm saying. President Buckwheat doesn't mind higher gas prices, hoping that more drivers will trade their cars and trucks and evil SUVs for the government approved fuel-effecient automobile; which is nothing more than a glorified golf cart.

[gmercer]

With all due respect...you're inaccurate. ( a nice way of saying wrong) ! We never paid 4 bucks a gallon under the last administration. I paid that yesterday. 18 months ago I paid just over 3 bucks a gallon, and Bush was long retired and writing a book. It's 4 bucks a gallon now, and he's still retired. So who do I blame now? :dancing:

What are you talking about? It was over $4 per gallon in the summer of 2008.

Here's a website to check for yourself:

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Just select the charts for the last 3 years or longer to see.

[robertlouis]

fucking hate gas price. have to sell my V6 soon

And from the perspective of someone outside the US, that's global warming in a nutshell.

Yes folks, smaller and more fuel efficient cars. Even though my diesel costs the equivalent of $10.80 per gallon, my car's two litre engine regularly returns over 50mpg.

$4 a gallon - oh you poor things. :whistle:

[sunairco]

Twelve dollar prescriptions and total health care - oh you poor things.

Try to find a diesel model in most vehicle ranges. They don't bother to make those available as an option or manual transmissions in most models in the states or Canada like they do with the same models elsewhere. While you're at it, try to find diesel in many of the cities. Sure some places have it that cater to trucks, but most inner city petrol stations don't. It also costs more then premium petrol. Premium grade right now is $4.01 by my house as of a few hours ago. I passed a station that does carry diesel at $4.10.

[jimme747]

As with alcohol and tobacco, gas is an easy money jerker. And yes most of the US is inaccessibly without a car. However diesel cars will give you 50mpg easy.
As said earlier most West Europeans pay close to 10$ a gallon. Most of the cars, even small ones run on diesel. I am still in awe every day to see those big SUV's and 4x4 trucks driving in the Bay Area with one person at the wheel and doing about 10 mpg. Little car sharing or none. Don't blame the government(s) it's the oil companies that boost the prices, Libya and Iraq where to blame.

[mtbazz]

What are you talking about? It was over $4 per gallon in the summer of 2008.

Here's a website to check for yourself:

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Just select the charts for the last 3 years or longer to see.

Thats weird...I just don't remember it being that high.

Also, people outside the U.S. need to understand why we are "complaining". The first of which is that the U.S. is nowhere near as centralized and compact as Europe. We are a large, spread out nation. For the majority of people here, commutes of 20-30 miles a day or more or the rule rather than the exception. Once you west of the Missouri things get even more large and spread out. More often than not decent housing in areas that are fairly nice are just simply not affordable.
As far as public transportation goes, unless you live in or very, very close to a large metropolitan area there is no public transportation.

Using myself as an example, in the Princeton area where I work, within 10-15 miles of my place of employment townhouses and condos are in the 250-300k range. I make good money but I can't afford that. Its really not until you get to be 20-30 miles out that housing becomes slightly more affordable. Im 30 miles away. For the same price that I would have paid for a small condo 10 miles from work I have a single family home on 5 acres.

Drive a smart car? No thanks. With the way the roads around me are maintained (or not maintained), coupled with winters that give us a fair amount of snow and ice a smart car would last all of 5 minutes. Electric cars? Nice theory, but my electric bill is high enough, the technology is not there yet, and I really doubt our power grid infrastructure will support a large population owning smart cars.

Last week at some speech somewhere Obama was asked about high gas prices and what he will do. His answer was basically that they will fluctuate, but that people need to start thinking about getting rid of their V6's and and V8's. Uh..hello? Contractors, home builders, delivery drivers, etc. use and need these large vehicles for their jobs..Thats simply not an acceptable answer.

[rodinuk]

I agree about the geographical differences but many people here easily have commutes of that range too.

I have experienced car journeys in the US and the automatic transponder toll routes but we also have a few schemes coming in like the mandatory Congestion Charge in London and some motorway toll routes in the North and the Dartford Crossing on London's Orbital Motorway(sorry London's Orbital Traffic Jam).

Currently the roads are peppered with potholes awaiting repair from the winter weather and the duty on fuel has no direct correlation with the investment into the transportation system.

For us it's the rail network which is the potential solution but decades of underinvestment, large price hikes and Government's dithering over how to approach it have produced a mishmash. I would love to use the rail system more but it doesn't cost in.

Bottom line is we're all "complaining" :)

[mtbazz]

Even if I wanted to use the trains and busses here, I still need to go to significant effort.

For example, If I want to go to Manhattan I can either drive 90 minutes into the city, or drive 70 minutes to a New Jersey Transit station, and take an hour train ride. Both require alot of driving. There is no easy answer.

There is some talk over here about high speed rail, but that will really only benefit a handful of people. Unless your near a large metro area forget about it/

Obama is really naive if he is thinking that high gas prices will spur people to get rid of their gas guzzlers and embrace more fuel efficient (electric) cars and alternative energy. These types of technologies are simply not mature enough, and the the electric cars that are out there are really rather expensive.

Any rebounds our economy has had recently are going to be lost as people use their "extra" money to pay for gas instead of on local businesses, many of which will undoubtedly close their doors do to increase costs in supplies due to higher gas prices and lost revenue because people dont have the extra money to spend.

[Willie Escalade]

With my old job, I was commuting 30 miles from the Paramount/Compton/Lynwood area up to Sun Valley (and back). With my new job, I'm a bit over 4 miles away (it took me 10 minutes to get home tonight; usually takes me about 20 minutes to go to work during rush hour). People laugh at the fact I drive a "smaller" car (Corolla), but that bitch is averaging about 28mpg right now...and I use 87 octane fuel. I've gone from gassing up twice a week to only on Sundays (usually on an almost empty tank)...and if I didn't go to the valley to hang out with some of the crew I'd be gassing up even less. $4.00/gal is still high, but I'm not getting hurt as badly as others.

I'd still like to get that Fiat 500 Abarth Essesse (if it comes to America) or that 2012 New Beetle though...and yes, I realize they're small cars!

[Fitz1600]

Lift restrictions and lets drill for more domestic oil here in America. Also, build the damn pipeline from Canada to Texas and let's import more from our FRIENDLY neighbors to the north.

[Quiet Reflections]

Well in Maryland a few years back it was definitely over 4 dollars and if you do some research you will find it hit that point near you too

[trish]

In the U.S. the price of electricity ranges from $0.08 to $0.28 per kilowatt hour. The average is 11.58 cents per kwh.

The energy density of gasoline is 36.59 kilowatt hours per gallon. At $4.00 per gallon that amounts to 10.93 cents per kwh. So at $4.00/gal the energy from gasoline is still cheaper (assuming your engine is 100% efficient at extracting all the stored calories) than the energy that comes out of your wall sockets. When gasoline reaches $4.24/gal [] the two sources will be equally costly to the average U.S. customer.

If the cost of gasoline exceeds and remains above that of other sources of energy (and it will happen sooner or later) people will start utilizing other options.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

In the U.S. the price of electricity ranges from $0.08 to $0.28 per kilowatt hour. The average is 11.58 cents per kwh.

The energy density of gasoline is 36.59 kilowatt hours per gallon. At $4.00 per gallon that amounts to 10.93 cents per kwh. So at $4.00/gal the energy from gasoline is still cheaper (assuming your engine is 100% efficient at extracting all the stored calories) than the energy that comes out of your wall sockets. When gasoline reaches $4.24/gal cents the two sources will be equally costly to the average U.S. customer.

If the cost of gasoline exceeds and remains above that of other sources of energy (and it will happen sooner or later) people will start utilizing other options.

:iagree:
Your truth Trish, with all it's rationale and sanity....is not what we Americans want to hear. Using our own oil resources while developing alternatives would be alot easier to swallow, if we'd get off our collective asses and do it. Without a vibrant economy, Hybrid Electric and potential Hydrogen powered vehicles present a far too costly option, at the moment. Coming from the car industry, supply and demand will dictate paying through the nose for the convenience of having that Hybrid in your driveway. Therefore, 'Cost of Ownership' becomes prohibitive. A Catch-22, if I've ever seen one.

PS...I was behind a Prius yesterday, on my way home from Virginia. With all due respect, the Prius (2 people and little or no load) could not get it's ass up the hill. But, it was gettin' 40-44 MPG, compared to my 19.8.

[deejay1]

It seems like some of you are upset about being told to get rid of your SUVs, V8s etc, and seem to think that the only other option is a Prius.

But it isn't, I drive a 1.4l Peugeot 207, i get about 40mpg average.

My boss drives a 3litre BMW 3 series estate, and he gets 44mpg!! (this is a diesel which you have said is hard to find so I can understand this sort of being pointless)

But my main point is that there are other more economical cars that aren't called a Prius.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

It seems like some of you are upset about being told to get rid of your SUVs, V8s etc, and seem to think that the only other option is a Prius.

But it isn't, I drive a 1.4l Peugeot 207, i get about 40mpg average.

My boss drives a 3litre BMW 3 series estate, and he gets 44mpg!! (this is a diesel which you have said is hard to find so I can understand this sort of being pointless)

But my main point is that there are other more economical cars that aren't called a Prius.

Point taken. However, you can't fit a large family into most of those vehicles and, if you did, you would not be getting that kind of mileage. I'm not sayin' everybody needs to be driving a Suburban (or comparable). Lifestyle paradigms in the USA would have to be significantlly changed. Perhaps that's a good thing....who's to say?!

[deejay1]

Yeah that's true, i'm mostly driving on my own.

Another guy i work with has a ford focus S max, 7 seater and he gets around the same as me, with family in, again though thats diesel, and he drives like a 70 year old woman.

Anyway its not up to me to try and change peoples driving habits, if i could afford the insurance i'd be driving something much faster and much less economical haha

[sunairco]

I had a Prius for a rental for a few weeks last year. With all of the in-city driving that I do, it was impressive how fuel economical it was by the stats it keeps. One thing that I can't help wondering about is the long term costs. The batteries are warranted to I think 10 years/150K or something like that. In the business I'm in, I've never seen lead acid variants, Nicad,NIMH, LI or any other battery technology have that kind of long term reliability no matter how advanced the charging and maintainance technology was. I'm wondering if these hybrids can actually sustain the original batteries that long.

[dgs925]

Easier said than done. I work outside of princeton nj and there is no affordable housing in that area for me, unless I want to live in a cardboard box...as a result I have to live 30 miles from my job to be able to afford a house that is not a POS or in the ghetto.

Gas prices higher in the previous admin? Sorry but show me proof. I don't recall paying over $4.00 a gallon when Bush was president.

Personally I think the the curren administration is in favor of high gas prices.

Get a different job or get over your desire not to live in the ghetto. There is no reason that gas prices should ever come down, so you decide where you want your money to go.

[Jericho]

In the U.S. the price of electricity ranges from $0.08 to $0.28 per kilowatt hour. The average is 11.58 cents per kwh.

The energy density of gasoline is 36.59 kilowatt hours per gallon. At $4.00 per gallon that amounts to 10.93 cents per kwh. So at $4.00/gal the energy from gasoline is still cheaper (assuming your engine is 100% efficient at extracting all the stored calories) than the energy that comes out of your wall sockets. When gasoline reaches $4.24/gal cents the two sources will be equally costly to the average U.S. customer.

If the cost of gasoline exceeds and remains above that of other sources of energy (and it will happen sooner or later) people will start utilizing other options.

Just for shits and giggles, what other (cheaper) options?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I had a Prius for a rental for a few weeks last year. With all of the in-city driving that I do, it was impressive how fuel economical it was by the stats it keeps. One thing that I can't help wondering about is the long term costs. The batteries are warranted to I think 10 years/150K or something like that. In the business I'm in, I've never seen lead acid variants, Nicad,NIMH, LI or any other battery technology have that kind of long term reliability no matter how advanced the charging and maintainance technology was. I'm wondering if these hybrids can actually sustain the original batteries that long.


The drawback with Hybrid electrics, at the moment, is the weight disadvantage that battery technology causes. A Hybrid Tahoe has almost 600 ponds of batteries in it. The vehicle, with an LT package, had to be decontented to accomodate the batteries, which fills up the space below the second row seat. Because of the expense involved in battery replacement, manufacturers are NOT going to be flexible when it comes to required maintenance. If you, the owner, don't follow proper maintenance requirements...YOU will be paying for battery replacement, not your warranty. That cost can be as much as $4000 plus.

For Hybrid Electric vehicle technology to progress...battery technology needs to take a quantum leap. They need to be much smaller, lighter and last considerably longer or, be much less expensive. Another problem with Hybrid Electric vehicles is accident response. Fire departments don't want to approach them, due to the personal risk invloved. Also, special precautions have to be taken at dealerships to wotk on them. You're not gonna get WalMart to work on your Hybrid Electric....you will have to pay through the nose at the "certified" dealership. I know, with GM dealers, if you aren't Hybrid Certified in Sales, Parts and Service....you don't get to sell them.

[dgs925]

The drawback with Hybrid electrics, at the moment, is the weight disadvantage that battery technology causes. A Hybrid Tahoe has almost 600 ponds of batteries in it. The vehicle, with an LT package, had to be decontented to accomodate the batteries, which fills up the space below the second row seat. Because of the expense involved in battery replacement, manufacturers are NOT going to be flexible when it comes to required maintenance. If you, the owner, don't follow proper maintenance requirements...YOU will be paying for battery replacement, not your warranty. That cost can be as much as $4000 plus.

For Hybrid Electric vehicle technology to progress...battery technology needs to take a quantum leap. They need to be much smaller, lighter and last considerably longer or, be much less expensive. Another problem with Hybrid Electric vehicles is accident response. Fire departments don't want to approach them, due to the personal risk invloved. Also, special precautions have to be taken at dealerships to wotk on them. You're not gonna get WalMart to work on your Hybrid Electric....you will have to pay through the nose at the "certified" dealership. I know, with GM dealers, if you aren't Hybrid Certified in Sales, Parts and Service....you don't get to sell them.

Why would someone buy a Tahoe if they aren't rich enough to afford gas or batteries? I laugh my ass off when people who drive big SUVs complain about gas prices. They want the status symbol, but can't afford it.

[Willie Escalade]

It seems like some of you are upset about being told to get rid of your SUVs, V8s etc, and seem to think that the only other option is a Prius.

But it isn't, I drive a 1.4l Peugeot 207, i get about 40mpg average.

My boss drives a 3litre BMW 3 series estate, and he gets 44mpg!! (this is a diesel which you have said is hard to find so I can understand this sort of being pointless)

But my main point is that there are other more economical cars that aren't called a Prius.
Back in 2005 when I was bought my car I honestly looked at a Golf TDI...and more recently Motor Trend was stating that Jetta (Bora) wagons with the diesel were in high demand.

I just wish Audi would bring over the A8 diesel!

[robertlouis]

In the U.S. the price of electricity ranges from $0.08 to $0.28 per kilowatt hour. The average is 11.58 cents per kwh.

The energy density of gasoline is 36.59 kilowatt hours per gallon. At $4.00 per gallon that amounts to 10.93 cents per kwh. So at $4.00/gal the energy from gasoline is still cheaper (assuming your engine is 100% efficient at extracting all the stored calories) than the energy that comes out of your wall sockets. When gasoline reaches $4.24/gal [] the two sources will be equally costly to the average U.S. customer.

If the cost of gasoline exceeds and remains above that of other sources of energy (and it will happen sooner or later) people will start utilizing other options.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

Trish, can you run for President please?

[SammiValentine]

can usually get a full tank for a nosh.

[robertlouis]

can usually get a full tank for a nosh.

Ummm....

Can you explain that pse Sammi, before I make a wickedly wrong interpretation???? :ignore:

It hasn't been the same since they stopped Green Shield stamps, has it?

[PomonaCA]

Impeach

[GrimFusion]

Welcome to the post peak oil world!

Peak oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil)


Absolute B.S.
I won't deny we're seeing an oil shortage, but only because big oil companies are holding back reserves to get a higher price per barrel. This shit happens every spring and gets worse into summer; I just don't understand why people act all surprised by it anymore. It's just big oil seeing how much we're willing to spend, and people are still willing to spend $4.05 a gallon, obviously.

[GrimFusion]

battery technology needs to take a quantum leap. They need to be much smaller, lighter and last considerably longer or, be much less expensive.

The technology already exists, it's just not cost effective. Vehicle manufactures opt for older technology because it's far more cost effective and I honestly don't see that changing any time soon because the same manufacturers get to name their own price for repairs.

[onmyknees]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

Trish, can you run for President please?

I don't need a windmill in my front yard, a bicycle to get to work or an income tax rate of 50%....but it's a nice thought.

[robertlouis]

Diesel at our village petrol station £1.52 per litre today.

That works out at $11.58 per gallon.

Even although my car returns over 48mpg my eyes are starting to water.

[onmyknees]

you may look back on 11 dollar a gallon gas with nostalgia. Wait till the dollar tanks and Syria erupts in civil war.

[Helvis2012]

:iagree: I won't get political here but, it has a considerable amount to do with decisions made by the administration.


But you just did. And as always, you get it totally wrong.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

The technology already exists, it's just not cost effective. Vehicle manufactures opt for older technology because it's far more cost effective and I honestly don't see that changing any time soon because the same manufacturers get to name their own price for repairs.


I guess you really didn't read the statement you quoted with your response.

[robertlouis]

I guess you really didn't read the statement you quoted with your response.

And if the political will existed it would happen much faster.

[clonmult]

Diesel at our village petrol station £1.52 per litre today.

That works out at $11.58 per gallon.

Even although my car returns over 48mpg my eyes are starting to water.

Its a little cheaper over this way (M4 corridor/hampshire), around £1.42 - £1.45 per liter. Thankful I changed car a few years back - the old BMW coupe was getting around 30mpg, now in an Audi A6 Avant, somehow managing to return just over 50mpg.

What scares me is that its not going to be long before it costs me over £100 to fill up the blighter.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

But you just did. And as always, you get it totally wrong.

Helvis...you wouldn't know your own ass if it bit you on the nose. You're quit possibly one of the dumbest fucks I've ever run across.:fu:

[Helvis2012]

[QUOTE=CORVETTEDUDE;925452]Helvis...you wouldn't know your own ass if it bit you on the nose. You're quit possibly one of the dumbest fucks I've ever run across.:fu:[/QUOTE


There's nothing wrong with being a loser. The problem is, you're a racist asshole. That's where you run into trouble. And true to form, you can't handle it when you're called on that score.

[NatashaLover]

I just saw today a gas station selling gas at rediculous prices! why dont they get a penalty for that?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

[QUOTE=CORVETTEDUDE;925452]Helvis...you wouldn't know your own ass if it bit you on the nose. You're quit possibly one of the dumbest fucks I've ever run across.:fu:[/QUOTE


There's nothing wrong with being a loser. The problem is, you're a racist asshole. That's where you run into trouble. And true to form, you can't handle it when you're called on that score.


Yes, I guess I am a racist because, whatever you are....the world has at least one too many of you.