Alaskan repub thinks sex outside marriage should be illegal

[Cuchulain]

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sean Parnell's appointee for the panel that nominates state judges testified Wednesday that he would like to see Alaskans prosecuted for having sex outside of marriage.

The candidate, Don Haase of Valdez, also admitted under questioning by members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that his official resume failed to disclose his leadership role in Eagle Forum Alaska, which advocates for social conservative issues. He most recently was president of the organization, but resigned when he learned of his nomination, he said.

Sen. Joe Paskvan: "Do you believe it should be a crime?"
Haase: "Yeah, I think it's very harmful to have extramarital affairs. It's harmful to children, it's harmful to the spouse who entered a legally binding agreement to marry the person that's cheating on them."
Paskvan: "What about premarital affairs -- should that be a crime?"
Haase: "I think that would be up to the voters certainly. If it came before (the state) as a vote, I probably would vote for it ... I can see where it would be a matter for the state to be involved with because of the spread of disease and the likelihood that it would cause violence. I can see legitimate reasons to push that as a crime."
http://www.adn.com/2011/03/23/1772266/senate-panel-questions-judicial.html

:screwy

[russtafa]

What are they going to do lock up people for rooting lol

[NYBURBS]

lol, another neo-con nut looking to control everyone else. If he's anything like the rest of that bunch, he's probably got an underage hooker on his speed dial and a nice altar boy in his closet.

[Silcc69]

Do you know how many people would be in trouble because of this?

[trish]

On the bright side, it would create a lot a jobs. Let's all start retraining as prison guards.

[Faldur]

Look on the brighter side, if the law passes they will arrest Sarah Palin's daughter.

[trish]

I wonder what Haase thinks the legal range of punishments should be for masturbating to internet porn while your wife is snoring in the bedroom?

[Stavros]

The odd thing here surely is that for years people who were not native to Alaska migrated north precisely to opt out of 'the "lower 48" State' with its taxes, laws and so on -there were more nutters per square mile in Alaska than even in Montana, so the resort to excessive law-making seems 'UnAlaskan' to me, although I suppose its a sign of how times have changed.

[Ben]

So, like, 99.99 percent of the populace would be screwed -- ha! ha! ha!

[Ben]

Sarah Palin Extramarital Affair claims (http://celebgalz.com/sarah-palin-extramarital-affair-claims/)

By Clarencia Cynrae (http://celebgalz.com/author/Admin/) on September 4th, 2008

The National Enquirer, who broke the John Edwards hotel room meeting story, has alleged that Sarah Palin had an affair with a business associate of Todd Palin.
When Todd Palin discovered his wife was having an affair with his friend, he broke off relations with that man. This story is not new. There was gossip on Sarah Palin’s alleged extramarital affair. The third party was described as a snowmobile racer and there was even a photo offered but no name was disclosed.

[Ineeda SM]

How Ironic. The republicans are taking us slowly to a totalitarian type of government with lies and propaganda, imposing their so-called religious values and ideals. And yet they call democrats, socialist and nazis for wanting to help poor people.

[ezed]

I wonder what Haase thinks the legal range of punishments should be for masturbating to internet porn while your wife is snoring in the bedroom?

Well Trish, as an expert "master" bater to internet porn I feel it raises, so to speak, a pandora's box (or hole) of complex legal (or liquid) issues which will also thus involve complex clean up issues (green friendly of course). If she is snoring, it should cover the groan of release. But ... did tissues catch the load? This is the key to green pc. However, if she's not snoring the we must send the decision back to the legislature!

In any case questions like this deserve government grants to answer! Join me in my weekend challenge to masturbate and drink to raise money to answer these all important questions!

Hi Trish, how you doing? Long time.:)

ezed

[trish]

It has been a long time indeed. Do we just keep missing each other, or have you been away for awhile. In any case: it great to bump into again; and yes, I will meet your challenge (I'll being drinking Scotch).

[onmyknees]

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sean Parnell's appointee for the panel that nominates state judges testified Wednesday that he would like to see Alaskans prosecuted for having sex outside of marriage.

The candidate, Don Haase of Valdez, also admitted under questioning by members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that his official resume failed to disclose his leadership role in Eagle Forum Alaska, which advocates for social conservative issues. He most recently was president of the organization, but resigned when he learned of his nomination, he said.

Sen. Joe Paskvan: "Do you believe it should be a crime?"
Haase: "Yeah, I think it's very harmful to have extramarital affairs. It's harmful to children, it's harmful to the spouse who entered a legally binding agreement to marry the person that's cheating on them."
Paskvan: "What about premarital affairs -- should that be a crime?"
Haase: "I think that would be up to the voters certainly. If it came before (the state) as a vote, I probably would vote for it ... I can see where it would be a matter for the state to be involved with because of the spread of disease and the likelihood that it would cause violence. I can see legitimate reasons to push that as a crime."
http://www.adn.com/2011/03/23/1772266/senate-panel-questions-judicial.html

:screwy

Yup Screwy. He's a marginal State Senator from Alaska. I wouldn't be tossing my black book away anytime soon. We have all sorts of local and national politicians saying and doing zany things..And a Neo-Con? Better look up the defination there Burbs.

We have a Senate Majority leader taking to the floor to decry some budget cuts to a cowboy poet festivle, so it's not shocking politicians say and do the dumbest things.

[onmyknees]

How Ironic. The republicans are taking us slowly to a totalitarian type of government with lies and propaganda, imposing their so-called religious values and ideals. And yet they call democrats, socialist and nazis for wanting to help poor people.

Nothing like being afraid of the dark ! LMAO. He's a local politician from Alaska .....It hardly warrants your over reaction...shall I provide you with an extensive list of convicted liberal politicians or do you want to rethink your silliness ? And it may be time for you to enroll in an evening civics class. Republicans control 1/3 of the government....they stand little chance of getting anything passed let alone send us careening into a Stalin type totalitarianism. Your hysteria is humorous, and I appreciate humor.

[Cuchulain]

Yup Screwy. He's a marginal State Senator from Alaska. I wouldn't be tossing my black book away anytime soon. We have all sorts of local and national politicians saying and doing zany things..And a Neo-Con? Better look up the defination there Burbs.

We have a Senate Majority leader taking to the floor to decry some budget cuts to a cowboy poet festivle, so it's not shocking politicians say and do the dumbest things.

Haase is not a state senator. He holds no office. He actually ran for state congress and got whupped. The story here is not just that he's a wingnut, but that Gov. Parnell , former Lt. Gov. to SARAH FUCKIN PALIN, appointed the president of the Eagle Forum Alaska to the board that nominates state judges. It's hard to see what in Haase's background qualifies him to pick Judges for the Alaskan Supreme Court and Court of Appeals, except perhaps his ability to apply an extreme Christian litmus test to any potential judge.

Eagle Forum Alaska is a haven for far right Christian CONservative crazies - you know, the folks who are basically opposed to fun of any kind.

[NYBURBS]

And a Neo-Con? Better look up the defination there Burbs.


Fair enough, I tend to lump all the right wing whack jobs into that one category, but you're right that it's not technically correct. Though I'm willing to bet that if he wants to invade our bedrooms then he's also down to deliver some more "democracy" to the world via 2000lb smart bombs and M-16s.

[Faldur]

Though I'm willing to bet that if he wants to invade our bedrooms then he's also down to deliver some more "democracy" to the world via 2000lb smart bombs and M-16s.

Don't look now Burby my boy but the only one dropping bombs today is a progressive with a (d) next to his name. But at least GITMO is closed, oh wait.. well at least were out of Iraq.. oh crap.. well at least there are no embarrassing photo's being released of "kill teams" like when that Rumsfeld guy was in there.. damn it, that too?

[Ineeda SM]

Nothing like being afraid of the dark ! LMAO. He's a local politician from Alaska .....It hardly warrants your over reaction...shall I provide you with an extensive list of convicted liberal politicians or do you want to rethink your silliness ? And it may be time for you to enroll in an evening civics class. Republicans control 1/3 of the government....they stand little chance of getting anything passed let alone send us careening into a Stalin type totalitarianism. Your hysteria is humorous, and I appreciate humor.

WOW! The resemblance of thought(?) between you and Sarah is uncanny. It's both very funny and very sad.

My comment wasn't meant just for this issue. It was an overall statement based on everything the republicans have lied their asses off about since Reagan took office.

Your boys may control only 1/3 of the government, but the lies and propaganda they spew every day, is being believed by the weak minded idiots in this country. Anyone who still thinks Obama is not American, has completely lost every ounce of sanity. And republicans have convinced millions of dolting idiots exactly that. That's how totalitarian propaganda works. Keep pushing the lie until the idiots believe it. It worked great for the Nazis. Look how far they got on lies. Did you know that when the allies were about to overtake Berlin to end WW2, Hitler armed every German man, woman, and child with guns to fight us with? And they did it too, because they were convinced by Hitler's persistent propaganda that we were the bad guys. Just like you republicans.

Stalin was not a totalitarian. He was a brutal communist dictator. They are two very different things. Totalitariansm is a government that controls you, and makes all of your decisions for you based on their ideals, but makes you think it was your decision. They rely on brainwashing and re-education, but not violence to make you defenseless. It is basically mind control through propaganda. Just like you republicans.

Hysteria is what stupid backwoods conservatives experience when they believe the bull shit the republicans tell them, because they don't know how to check facts. What I am feeling is disgust with stupid people who can't think for themselves and just fall for the GOP propaganda.

People like you are in love with Sarah Palin and want to be her. Well....I guess you have. If she said that Obama had 10 sex goddesses on the side and smoked crack, you would say the same thing without hesitation, just because she said it.

YES! I want to see your extensive list of convicted liberals from congress. Every scandal and conviction that has been made public since Nixon is a republican. And don't even try bringing Bill Clinton into it. He got a blow job from Monica. He cheated on his wife, not the country. He did nothing illegal.

Go ahead Sarah, keep defending your totalitarian leaders. One day you will eat your words.

[russtafa]

Sarah rocks she is a go getter

[Stavros]

Is Sarah Palin's husband Todd still employed by BP?

[onmyknees]

WOW! The resemblance of thought(?) between you and Sarah is uncanny. It's both very funny and very sad.

My comment wasn't meant just for this issue. It was an overall statement based on everything the republicans have lied their asses off about since Reagan took office.

Your boys may control only 1/3 of the government, but the lies and propaganda they spew every day, is being believed by the weak minded idiots in this country. Anyone who still thinks Obama is not American, has completely lost every ounce of sanity. And republicans have convinced millions of dolting idiots exactly that. That's how totalitarian propaganda works. Keep pushing the lie until the idiots believe it. It worked great for the Nazis. Look how far they got on lies. Did you know that when the allies were about to overtake Berlin to end WW2, Hitler armed every German man, woman, and child with guns to fight us with? And they did it too, because they were convinced by Hitler's persistent propaganda that we were the bad guys. Just like you republicans.

Stalin was not a totalitarian. He was a brutal communist dictator. They are two very different things. Totalitariansm is a government that controls you, and makes all of your decisions for you based on their ideals, but makes you think it was your decision. They rely on brainwashing and re-education, but not violence to make you defenseless. It is basically mind control through propaganda. Just like you republicans.

Hysteria is what stupid backwoods conservatives experience when they believe the bull shit the republicans tell them, because they don't know how to check facts. What I am feeling is disgust with stupid people who can't think for themselves and just fall for the GOP propaganda.

People like you are in love with Sarah Palin and want to be her. Well....I guess you have. If she said that Obama had 10 sex goddesses on the side and smoked crack, you would say the same thing without hesitation, just because she said it.

YES! I want to see your extensive list of convicted liberals from congress. Every scandal and conviction that has been made public since Nixon is a republican. And don't even try bringing Bill Clinton into it. He got a blow job from Monica. He cheated on his wife, not the country. He did nothing illegal.

Go ahead Sarah, keep defending your totalitarian leaders. One day you will eat your words.


You're so mislead an uninformed it's almost not worth my time to correct you. When you grow up more than likely you'll change from your 60's type paranoia. For most folks...the issue is not that Obama is not American...it's the fact that he can't or won't produce his birth certificate. It's a legimate question, and all the crying, whining and protesting to the contrary isn't going to change that. I'll make a deal with you...you find me another national politician in the past 50 years who can't or won't produce his birth documents, and I'll not only vote for Obama in 2012...I'll write a check to his campaign. If however you can't....then stop your phoney cries of outrage.

Totalitarian Propaganda? You really are a campus reactionary...are you a card carrying member of SDS? LMAO

Look...maybe your under the false impression that I'm enthrolled with Republicians...you'd be wrong ( as usual) . I don't trust most politicians...espicially liberals. If you feel compelled to hitch your wagon to the progressives, and are so foolish as to believe they are leveling with you, then there's really no help for you. If you think one party has the corner on truth, justice and the American Way then you're even more naive than you sound. You hypocritical fuckers sceamed for 8 years about Bush and his lies and oil wars and Halaberton....yet the minute more bombs started falling on Libya, in a situation with zero national interst to the US except French and British oil wells, you coundn't wait to defend him. You're so blind with ideology...you can't even see your hypocracy.

Go back and look at Obama's 10 most talked about campaign promises and report back to us on how many he's followed thru on. Does that make him a liar....? By your standards....yes it does. So college boy...be careful who you call a liar !

Now then..onto your virtuous liberals...and these are liberals of some consequence...if we get into State politicians...we'll run out of room !! here's just a partial list that comes to mind, most were convicted, others resigned rather than face the ethics violations ..and BTW don't laugh off Slick Willie's indescretions...he lied to a grand jury...ya know just like Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart. It wasn't about the love ick on the dress you moron ! We're all over all that, but let's not make believe it never happened. I realize you libs have short memories. He got disbarred...remember? or were you still a sophmore in high school then?

And after you're finished reading this partial list...get busy and find that birth certificate...LMAO

William Jefferson
David Patterson
Eric Massa
Tom Daschle (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/feb/another-cheater-team-change)
ROD BLAGOJEVICH,
James Guy Tucker, Jr
Henry Cisneros
Marion Barry
Alcee Lamar Hastings
Gerry Eastman Studds
John Murtha, Jr
Daniel David Rostenkowski
Robert Torricelli
Sandy Berger
Former New Jersey Governor James McGreevey
Melvin Jay Reynolds
Gary Condit
Eliot Spitzer
Charlie Rangel
Webster Hubbell

[onmyknees]

Is Sarah Palin's husband Todd still employed by BP?

Palin enjoys fishing for salmon and halibut, whereas you appear to enjoy RED HERRING !!!!!!! FAIL

There's plenty to take her to task on policy. Bring something more to the table than that !!!! Truth is..She could run rings around Barry on energy issues. BTW...how much are you paying for gas now? LOL

[Ineeda SM]

ONMYKNEES you poor brainwashed republican. You really ARE Sarah Palin. You have to be. You are Sarah posing as a tranny on this site to spread lies and hate propaganda. Actually I may be wrong, Sarah seems to be smarter than you, but that might be part of your disguise.

Bill Clinton was brought before a grand jury because he got a BLOW JOB. What the fuck for? Getting a blow job with someone who is NOT your wife is NOT ILLEGAL. Clinton did nothing illegal to this nation. It's a petty argument about a fucking blow job. Your GOP boys made a stink over his BJ because they had nothing else to piss and moan about. They were pissed off because they lost to Clinton, and Clinton did a lot of good in office. It was like a knife in their backs being turned slowly

Half of your list were accused but never convicted for lack of evidence. If that's the worse of the liberals, we are doing good compared to the amount of republicans criminals.

Here is a list of republicans who were were indicted and convicted. And this list is only from 1998 to 2008. If we added the criminals from Nixon and Reagan's days in office, the list would double in size. Google any of the names to verify them. Sorry for the long list everyone, but the point of truth had to be made.

Here is the source of the list: http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

Abramoff, Jack
Adams, Tom
Adams, Jim
Aiken, Steve
Alishtari, Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali
Allen, Bob
Allen, Claude
Allen, Bill
Alonos, Miram
Anderson, Tom
Ankeney, Randal David
Aragoncillo, Leandro
Atchison, John David R.
Bakker, Jim
Barclay, Bruce
Barnes, Martin G.
Barter, Merrill Robert
Beaird, John
Bena, Parker J.
Beres, Lou
Beverage, Sam
Biggins, Bob
Binder, Alan
Bird, Calvin
Bland, Wilton Frederick
Blessing, Louis
Bloom, Philip H.
Blundell, Brian
Bobrick, Bill
Boggio, Scott
Botes, Stephan
Boylan, Joe
Brady, Kevin
Brock, Darrell
Broderick, Thomas
Brooks, Howard L.
Brown, Shawn
Bryan, John
Bundy, Ted
Burcham, Tom
Burghoff, Matthew
Burt, John Allen
Butler, John
Cagle, Charles "Chig"
Cappelli, Angelo
Carona, Deborah
Carona, Michael S.
Carpenter, Jared
Carroll, Cherie
Casamento, Ricahard
Casseday, Randall
Childers, W.D.
Childs, Keola
Cianci, Vincent
Clark, Donald Ross
Coan, Kevin
Collins, John J.
Colyandro, John
Condos, James
Constantine, Lee
Cooper, Nathan
Corrigan, Larry
Cortelyou, Scott Eller
Coughlin ,Paul
Coutretsis, Andrea
Cowdery, John
Craig, Larry
Cramer, Carey Lee
Crawford, Lester
Cunningham, Randy “Duke”
Curtin, John R.
Dasen Sr., Richard A.
Davis, Ronnie
Davison, Pat
DeLay, Tom
Delgaudio, Richard A.
DeShon, Ronnie Gene
Dibble, Peter
Dickens, Joshua
Disponett, Dave
Doolittle, John
Doyle, Dan
Doyle, Victoria
Doyle, Brian J.
Druce, Thomas
Druen, Dan
Elizondo, Nicholas
Ellef ,Peter
Elliott, Matthew Joseph
Ellis, James
Fabian, Alan
Fawell, Scott
Federici, Italia
Fields, Vincent
Fleischman, Donald
Fletcher, Earnie
Floren, Livvy
Flory, Michael
Floyd, Larry Dale
Foggo, Kyle “Dusty”
Fossella, Vito J.
Fox., Galen
Franklin, Larry
Gallagher, Dennis
Gardner, Richard
Garofalo, Dave
Gillin, William
Giordano, Philip
Glavin, Matthew
Gosek, John
Goyette, Richard R.
Graves, David
Grethen, Mark A.
Griles, J. Steven
Groe, Trish
Habay, Jeffrey
Hamilton Jr., John J.
Hansen, Shaun
Harbin, Ben
Harding, Russell
Harris, Mark
Hazlette, Tim
Healy, Chris
Heaton, William
Heldreth, Howard Scott
Hicks, Brian
Hiller, Bradley R.
Hintz, Mike
Hoffman, Debra V.
Holland, Robert
Holt, Delecia
Hooks Sr., Michael
Hopfengardner, Bruce D.
Horsley, Neal
Houchen, Pamela J.
Hughes, J. Marshall
Hurley, Steven M.
Iadanza, Richard
Matricarid, Edmund III
Isenhour, James K.
Jacoby, Mark
James, Rayfield
Janklow, Bill
Jensen, Scott
Jones, Jody
Juliano, Richard
Kaelin, Jeffrey
Kauffman, Allen D.
Kelty, Matt
Kerik, Bernie
Kidan, Adam
Kimmerling, Earl "Butch"
King, Lawrence E. "Larry" Jr.
Klaudt, Ted
Kline, Ronald C.
Kohring, Vic
Kontogiannis, Thomas
Kott, Pete
Knapp, Max
Lambert, James R.
Law, David
Lay ,Michael Aaron
Leonard, Richard
Leung, Katrina
Libby, I. Lewis "Scooter"
Limbaugh, Rush
Linnen, Stephen
Loeper Jr., F. Joseph
Looper, Byran "Low Tax"
Loren-Maltese, Betty
Lukens, Donald "Buz"
Luongo, Gerald J.
Malloy, Patrick G.
Malone, Lance
Manuel, Thomas G.
Martin, Hayes
Mathes Jr., James R.
Matricardi, Edmund III
Matthews, Jon
Maysky, Eugene
McCurnin, Joseph
McGee, Charles
McGuire, Patrick Lee
Meadows, Cory
Merla, John
Michael, John
Mixon, Michael
Monteleone Jr., Joseph
Morency, Nicholas
Murgatroyd, Dick
Murphy Jr., Glenn
Muschany, Scott
Nash, James J.
Neal, Rebecca
Newton, Chris
Ney, Bob
Nguyen, Tan
Nielsen, Jeffrey
Nighbert, Bill
Nixon Jr., Kenneth E.
Noe, Bernadette
Noe, Thomas
Noonan, Thomas J.
Novak, Lawrence
Nugent, Johnny
O’Grady, Raymond
Oleen, Lana
Ortloff, George Chris
Owens, Leonard Ray
Palughi, Anthony J.
Parker, Brent
Patti, Jeffrey
Pazuhanich, Mark
Privette, Coy
Prokos, Alexandra
Pugh, Edward
Rader, Dennis L.
Randall, Tom
Randall, Jeffrey Kyle
Rathmann, Rolf
Ravenel, Thomas
Raymond, Allen
Regola, Robert
Renzi, Rick
Rice, Steve
Ring, Kevin
Ringo, Robert R.
RoBold, Warren
Rosen, Steve
Rowland, John
Rudy, Tony
Russell, Beverly
Ryan, George
Safavian, David Hossein
Scanlon, Michael
Scannapieco, Matthew V.
Schepp, Brent
Schofield, Robert T.
Schrenko, Linda
Scott, Randy
Seidensticker, Mark
Shaner, Matt
Shortridge, Tom
Siljander, Mark Deli
Skandalakis, Mitch
Skiles, Paul
Slocum, William
Smeltzer Jr., Fred C.
Smith, Rick
Stanley, Roger “The Hog
Stevens, Ted
Stillwell, Roger
Stroupe Jr, Wade
Stumbo, Bobby
Sumrow, Ray
Swartz, David
Symington, Fife
Taff, Adam
Taft, Bob
Tanonaka, Dalton
Tate, Mark
Tebano, Armando
Teele, Arthur
Temple, Merle
Thompson, Joe
Thompson, Donald
Thomson, Gary Russell
Tobin, James
Treffinger, James
Trout, Harold Anthony "Tony"
Tristano, Michael
Turbyfill, Basil
Van Vleet, Rick D.
Vanderwall, Robin
Velella, Guy J.
Vellanoweth, Robert
Volz, Neil
Wade, Mitchell
Walker, Derek
Walters, Nick
Warner, Larry
Weissmann, Keith
Weldon ,Terance
Westberg, Craig
Westlake, John E. "Jack"
Westmoreland, Keith
Weyhrauch, Bruce
White, C. Stephen
Wilkes ,Brent
Williams, Robin
Wilson, Bob
Zachares, Mark
Zimmerman, Al

[NYBURBS]

Don't look now Burby my boy but the only one dropping bombs today is a progressive with a (d) next to his name. But at least GITMO is closed, oh wait.. well at least were out of Iraq.. oh crap.. well at least there are no embarrassing photo's being released of "kill teams" like when that Rumsfeld guy was in there.. damn it, that too?

All true, as I've said before, both parties are the same shit with a slightly different odor.

[Faldur]

All true, as I've said before, both parties are the same shit with a slightly different odor.

We most certainly can agree on that.

[trish]

Not just the two: ALL political parties are the same shit, it's just that some stink more than others.

[Stavros]

Palin enjoys fishing for salmon and halibut, whereas you appear to enjoy RED HERRING !!!!!!! FAIL

Doesn't answer the question about Todd, not that its important. I don't drive so my 'gas' bill (as in gas for cars in the USA which we call petrol in the UK) is free.

[trish]

I'm laughing from behind the steering wheel of my Prius as I drive past the pumps and all the unhappy SUV owners pouring gas into those bottomless thanks. We should increase the tax on gasoline to encourage conservation of our fossil energy resources as well as to help pay for the failed Bush Energy Wars.

[onmyknees]

[QUOTE=Ineeda SM;908319]ONMYKNEES you poor brainwashed republican. You really ARE Sarah Palin. You have to be. You are Sarah posing as a tranny on this site to spread lies and hate propaganda. Actually I may be wrong, Sarah seems to be smarter than you, but that might be part of your disguise.

Bill Clinton was brought before a grand jury because he got a BLOW JOB. What the fuck for? Getting a blow job with someone who is NOT your wife is NOT ILLEGAL. Clinton did nothing illegal to this nation. It's a petty argument about a fucking blow job. Your GOP boys made a stink over his BJ because they had nothing else to piss and moan about. They were pissed off because they lost to Clinton, and Clinton did a lot of good in office. It was like a knife in their backs being turned slowly

Half of your list were accused but never convicted for lack of evidence. If that's the worse of the liberals, we are doing good compared to the amount of republicans criminals.

Here is a list of republicans who were were indicted and convicted. And this list is only from 1998 to 2008. If we added the criminals from Nixon and Reagan's days in office, the list would double in size. Google any of the names to verify them. Sorry for the long list everyone, but the point of truth had to be made.

Here is the source of the list: http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

Abramoff, Jack
Adams, Tom
Adams, Jim


You're a nitwit...you really are. I'm sorry to have to put it so bluntly...but there's no other way to say it. You foolishly told me there was no convicted democrats and to give you a list. I gave you a top ten .I never for a second claimed Republicans were without sin. ...as you did of Democrats. Your list is absolutely hysterical. I give you names like Charlie Rangle ( chairman of the ways and means committee) Dan Rostinkowski ( ranking democrat) and Elliot Spitzer ( Governor) and you give me a list of county clerks and dog catchers! What a fail...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The point has to be made"??? The point is Einstein, you told us there was no crooked Democrats.. And at least mine were from this century and were of some political significance ! Go back and look at my list again. The only ones that weren't convicted resigned in disgrace. In Tom Dashle's case..he withdrew his name from being HHS Administrator because of tax problems. You fuckers like to raise taxes..you just don't like to pay them ( Turbo Tax Tim Geitner is another) But I give you a D for effort.

Now...I don't want to re-hash the Clinton episode, but a little prissy like you is not going to rewrite history. Maybe you don't understand the whole Scooter Libby affair as a back drop. There was no underlying crime...but in testifying, he lied to a grand jury. That's a similar situation to Clinton. He lied to a grand jury, ( it's irrelevant about the subject) was impeached and disbarred. Was it fair? ...probably not...but was it fair for Martha Stewart to go to jail for the exact same thing? Those are the Facts..They can't be disputed regardless of how you feel. And maybe the thought of the leader of the free world in the oval office with his pants down at his ankles getting a hummer from a hefty intern doesn't bother you...so be it. And besides Slick Willie has recovered rather nicely so he doesn't need your weak defense about BLOW JOBS...LOL
I was wondering where you get these buzz words you seem so enamored with..."totalitarianism " "propaganda"....then it came to me...you're plagiarizing Howard Dean ! ( see below) LOL.. He speaks to lots of college campuses ...is that where you heard him? Anyway...speaking of damned liars, he pretty much tops the list. I'll bet you admire him...don't you? He's a perfect liberal..he lies with such frequency he may not even realize he's doing it . So let's see you explain this one away ..........because so far...all you really have shown me you're just a run of the mill Palin hater, ( nothing particularly impressive there) a disciple of Howard Dean, and that you can google some marginal republican reprobates. ( and again...I'm not a Republican for the record) So let's see you explain this series of lies away....Another Day...Another Liberal Liar Exposed.....



Howard Dean Tells College Students Fox News Lies - Then Lies to Them Four Times

By Noel Sheppard (http://www.newsbusters.org/bios/noel-sheppard.html) | April 03, 2011 | 21:16

The disgustingly sanctimonious Howard Dean gave a lecture at Carnegie Mellon University on March 24 wherein he once again attacked Fox News calling it a propagandist arm of the Republican Party that lies to the American people.
Ironically, during his one hour speech, the former Vermont governor committed some laughable whoppers of his own (multi-segment video follows with commentary, apologies in advance for problems in the original recording):

This first segment was the typical, run-of-the-mill nonsense from Dean about Hillary Clinton's vast right-wing conspiracy and how Rush Limbaugh is just today's Father Coughlin.
Moments later, Dean went after Fox News saying that the difference between it and MSNBC isn't bias because all news outlets have some form of bias, which I agree with.
However, he then claimed, "What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it's not true and they say it anyway. It is not a news organization. It is a very expensive, incredibly well-funded, right-wing propaganda organization."
Dean continued to drive this point home claiming that the reason so many Fox viewers believed Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 was because "they were lied to every single day on virtually every program on Fox News."
To give his audience an idea of what he considers real news, Dean actually said CBS's Katie Couric is balanced.
And then the lies began.
"The top one percent of Americans owns twice as much as the percentage of America than they did 20 years ago, and that of course has to come from somebody else, and it comes from the people who aren't in the top one percent."
Nonsense. The reason people at the top have seen such huge wealth gains in the past 20 to 30 years is because of an increase in stock, commodity, and real estate prices. This is what they invest in, and those investments - despite several bubble bursts - have done extremely well.
It really is a disgusting myth foisted upon the society by America's liberals that the rich take from the poor. The rich don't think about how to get money from the poor because the poor don't have any money to take.
But Dean was just getting warmed up, for he next claimed Republicans controlled the House and the Senate for six years while George W. Bush was President.
I guess Dean forgot that while he was governor of Vermont, a Republican Senator from his state by the name of Jim Jeffords defected from the GOP on May 24, 2001, giving the Democrats back the Senate.
As such, Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress less than 4 1/2 years while Bush was in the White House.
But why should the holier-than-thou Dean know what happened in his very state right under his very nose?
Next, he claimed that in 2008, more people under the age of 35 voted than over the age of 35.
Unbelievable nonsense. As you can see from the exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1), 36 percent of voters that year were 39 and younger; 64 percent were 40 and older.
What Dean told these students wasn't even close to the truth.
http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/thumbnail_photos/2011/April/Howard%20Dean.pngBut his biggest lie was still to come, as in the final segment of our video, Dean said, "Charter schools were a creation of the Right. Charter schools were created originally to maintain segregation in the South to avoid the anti-discrimination stuff that was coming out of the courts, and then to attack the teachers unions."
Really? Well, that's not the way Wikipedia records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school#cite_note-6) the history of charter schools:
The charter school idea in the United States was originated by Ray Budde, a professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and embraced by Albert Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers, in 1988 when he called for the reform of the public schools by establishing "charter schools" or "schools of choice". At the time, a few schools already existed that were not called charter schools but embodied some of their principles, such as H-B Woodlawn. As originally conceived, the ideal model of a charter school was as a legally and financially autonomous public school (without tuition, religious affiliation, or selective student admissions) that would operate much like a private business—free from many state laws and district regulations, and accountable more for student outcomes rather than for processes or inputs (such as Carnegie Units and teacher certification requirements).
Minnesota was the first state to pass a charter school law in 1991. California was second, in 1992.
So, the concept was created by a Massachusetts professor and not in the South for racist reasons. As for the intent to attack the teachers' unions, the president of the AFT was involved.
Clearly, Dean just made this whole thing up.
In case you're wondering if Wikipedia got it right, here's what USCharterSchools.org claims (http://www.uscharterschools.org/pub/uscs_docs/o/history.htm) is the history of such educational facilities:
The term "charter" may have originated in the 1970s when New England educator Ray Budde suggested that small groups of teachers be given contracts or "charters" by their local school boards to explore new approaches. Albert Shanker, former president of the AFT, then publicized the idea, suggesting that local boards could charter an entire school with union and teacher approval. In the late 1980s Philadelphia started a number of schools-within-schools and called them "charters." Some of them were schools of choice. The idea was further refined in Minnesota where charter schools were developed according to three basic values: opportunity, choice, and responsibility for results.

In 1991 Minnesota passed the first charter school law, with California following suit in 1992.
A 2005 New York Times piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/national/21budde.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=ray+budde&st=nyt&oref=slogin) about Budde also confirmed this:
Dr. Budde, a former assistant professor at the school of education at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, first suggested the term "charter" for use in education in the 1970's to describe a novel contracting arrangement designed to support the efforts of innovative teachers within the public school system. He long opposed the later idea that charter schools could be an alternative to public education.
The charter arrangement could result in a new type of school, Dr. Budde said, that would give teachers increased responsibility over curriculum and instruction in exchange for a greater degree of accountability for student achievement.
In 1988, Dr. Budde elaborated on the concept in a book, "Education by Charter: Restructuring School Districts" (Learning Innovations). Dr. Budde illustrated his points with a model school system that allowed groups of teachers to receive charters from the school board, granting them the authority to manage schools and try new educational approaches within the existing structure of their home districts.
As the charter school movement gained followers across the country and progressed, it expanded to include schools operating outside the mainstream public school administration.
As such, Dean was dead-wrong about charter schools originally being a racist idea that was also used to attack the teachers' unions.
Add it up, and in the course of only 60 minutes, Dean told at least four complete lies to this audience made up largely of college students.
And he's got the nerve to point fingers at Fox News.

[trish]

The disgustingly sanctimonious Howard Dean gave a lecture at Carnegie Mellon University on March 24 wherein he once again attacked Fox News calling it a propagandist arm of the Republican Party that lies to the American people.Nothing disgusting about telling it like it is: it's obvious to everyone, including the deniers, that Fox News IS indeed the propagandists arm of the Republican Party.

...Rush Limbaugh is just today's Father Coughlin. Right on. Limbaugh IS indeed today's Father Coughlin.

However, he then claimed, "What Fox News says is often not true, and they know it's not true and they say it anyway. ..."Here's where I part ways with Mr. Dean. Fox News hardly ever reports the truth. Every frequency modulation they broadcast, every zero and every one they jettison across the internet codes spin, distortion and bald faced lies.


The reason people at the top have seen such huge wealth gains..Is because unions in almost all private industries have been busted, wages have stagnated, jobs have been outsourced and productivity has been at an all time high for the last twenty years and increasing. Moreover, the Bush administration stopped requiring oil companies to pay royalties on our oil that they pump from out public lands. Corporations are ripping the American people off, stealing our national resources. Moreover, even though they complain we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world (35%) most corporations pay single digit percentages. GE paid 0% and got a rebate!!! The wealth of the upper one percent is due to outright theft, tax evasion and the fruit of the lower half's pain and hard labor.

[Ineeda SM]

While Sarah is ONHERKNEES kissing republican asses, the rest of us use independent thought and check our facts before we speak.