12 Reasons Why Women Can't Stand Nice Guys

[onmyknees]

12 Reasons Women Can’t Stand Nice Guys


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By Lucia (http://www.yourtango.com/experts/25485)
Not real: Nice guys are too nice. No one can always be that nice unless they’re a saint. They are busy being nice instead of being real and women instinctually don’t trust that. Bad boys “keep it real”. Nice guys don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Respect: No one respects a doormat. Nice guys don’t set boundaries or make any real demands. A bad boy doesn’t let a woman walk all over him or control him. Women can’t respect a man they can control. No respect = No attraction (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/attraction).
Predictable: Most people lead boring, predictable lives, so they’re attracted to people who are exciting and a bit unpredictable. Bad boys are always a challenge. Nice guys are never a challenge. Predictable + No excitement + No challenge = I prefer a bad boy.
Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
Fixer-Upper: Nice guys don’t usually need to be fixed. Bad boys usually do, so they become a project. Women think if they can “create” the perfect man, he will never leave them. Also, if they’re busy fixing someone else, they don’t have to look at what needs to be fixed in their own lives.
Sperm wars: Women are designed to procreate with the strongest possible genes. Bad boys are sending an unconscious message that they have great genes, so they’re not afraid of losing the woman by misbehaving. Nice guys are sending a message that they don’t think their genes are good enough, so they won’t misbehave.
Fear of intimacy: If a woman is afraid of intimacy, she subconsciously knows she can avoid it with a bad boy, since she can never get close enough to him to have to go there. A nice guy will eventually want a commitment, and that’s scary.
Low self-esteem: We don’t feel comfortable with people who treat us better than we treat ourselves. If you don’t think much of yourself, the bad boy is simply reinforcing your negative belief. A nice guy is treating you in a way you’re not familiar with.
Sex: Women feel a nice guy won’t be good in bed. They sometimes like to be manhandled and think a nice guy won’t be able to take control and get the job done. A bad boy comes across as being able to deliver, even though that may not always be the case.
Hot: Have you ever seen a bad boy who wasn’t hot? I’m sure there are a few, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with half the stuff they did if they didn’t look so good. Meanwhile, when a woman describes someone as a nice guy, she means, “He’s not hot”.
Charm: Nice guys don’t always know what to say, and are sometimes at a loss for words. Bad boys can be very charming and know exactly what women want (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/what-women-want) to hear. However, they eventually switch over to being selfish. By the time they reveal their true colors, the woman has fallen for them and has a hard time letting go.
Protection: Historically, men have protected women – physically and otherwise. Bad boys give the illusion of being able to protect women, while with nice guys, women aren’t so sure.
Life is about balance. Most men fall into either the bad boy or the nice guy category. The ideal man is neither, but walks that fine line between the two. Until men learn how to do this, more often than not, women will choose the bad boy, until they realize that his bad qualities outweigh his good ones.

[theone1982]

12 Reasons Women Can’t Stand Nice Guys


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By Lucia (http://www.yourtango.com/experts/25485)
Not real: Nice guys are too nice. No one can always be that nice unless they’re a saint. They are busy being nice instead of being real and women instinctually don’t trust that. Bad boys “keep it real”. Nice guys don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Respect: No one respects a doormat. Nice guys don’t set boundaries or make any real demands. A bad boy doesn’t let a woman walk all over him or control him. Women can’t respect a man they can control. No respect = No attraction (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/attraction).
Predictable: Most people lead boring, predictable lives, so they’re attracted to people who are exciting and a bit unpredictable. Bad boys are always a challenge. Nice guys are never a challenge. Predictable + No excitement + No challenge = I prefer a bad boy.
Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
Fixer-Upper: Nice guys don’t usually need to be fixed. Bad boys usually do, so they become a project. Women think if they can “create” the perfect man, he will never leave them. Also, if they’re busy fixing someone else, they don’t have to look at what needs to be fixed in their own lives.
Sperm wars: Women are designed to procreate with the strongest possible genes. Bad boys are sending an unconscious message that they have great genes, so they’re not afraid of losing the woman by misbehaving. Nice guys are sending a message that they don’t think their genes are good enough, so they won’t misbehave.
Fear of intimacy: If a woman is afraid of intimacy, she subconsciously knows she can avoid it with a bad boy, since she can never get close enough to him to have to go there. A nice guy will eventually want a commitment, and that’s scary.
Low self-esteem: We don’t feel comfortable with people who treat us better than we treat ourselves. If you don’t think much of yourself, the bad boy is simply reinforcing your negative belief. A nice guy is treating you in a way you’re not familiar with.
Sex: Women feel a nice guy won’t be good in bed. They sometimes like to be manhandled and think a nice guy won’t be able to take control and get the job done. A bad boy comes across as being able to deliver, even though that may not always be the case.
Hot: Have you ever seen a bad boy who wasn’t hot? I’m sure there are a few, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with half the stuff they did if they didn’t look so good. Meanwhile, when a woman describes someone as a nice guy, she means, “He’s not hot”.
Charm: Nice guys don’t always know what to say, and are sometimes at a loss for words. Bad boys can be very charming and know exactly what women want (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/what-women-want) to hear. However, they eventually switch over to being selfish. By the time they reveal their true colors, the woman has fallen for them and has a hard time letting go.
Protection: Historically, men have protected women – physically and otherwise. Bad boys give the illusion of being able to protect women, while with nice guys, women aren’t so sure.
Life is about balance. Most men fall into either the bad boy or the nice guy category. The ideal man is neither, but walks that fine line between the two. Until men learn how to do this, more often than not, women will choose the bad boy, until they realize that his bad qualities outweigh his good ones.

Great post!:) All sound valid, but I gotta go with the fixer-upper reason. That seems to be the one I see most often.

[MrF]

Ok, edit:

I guess the bad-boys tend to be more prolific while nice guys tend to to have deeper longer term success. But it wasn't clear what the point was. It seemed like an attempt to put down nice guys, but I think being nice is a desirable trait to many women, especially if they are mature and clear-thinking. A man can be masculine, good-looking, sure of himself ... and still nice. Being nice is icing on the cake. It's part intrinsic nature and part how you were brought up by your parents.

[TSPornFan]

Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
qualities outweigh his good ones.

This isn't completely true. Women raising children is a social construction. Little girls are taught when growing up that they should get married and raise kids. They are given baby dolls at very young ages. Women can provide children food with milk and that is the only mother nature fact.

[rufusmaxwell]

Ha great post, you know regardless of it being true or not it sure hit the nail on the head with this post! Nice guys always finish last, ruthless cold ice water in the veins guys are gonna win all the time!

[seamonkey]

And these STEREOTYPES are based on what? Someone's "observations"?

[lisaparadise]

12 Reasons Women Can’t Stand Nice Guys


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By Lucia (http://www.yourtango.com/experts/25485)
Not real: Nice guys are too nice. No one can always be that nice unless they’re a saint. They are busy being nice instead of being real and women instinctually don’t trust that. Bad boys “keep it real”. Nice guys don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Respect: No one respects a doormat. Nice guys don’t set boundaries or make any real demands. A bad boy doesn’t let a woman walk all over him or control him. Women can’t respect a man they can control. No respect = No attraction (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/attraction).
Predictable: Most people lead boring, predictable lives, so they’re attracted to people who are exciting and a bit unpredictable. Bad boys are always a challenge. Nice guys are never a challenge. Predictable + No excitement + No challenge = I prefer a bad boy.
Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
Fixer-Upper: Nice guys don’t usually need to be fixed. Bad boys usually do, so they become a project. Women think if they can “create” the perfect man, he will never leave them. Also, if they’re busy fixing someone else, they don’t have to look at what needs to be fixed in their own lives.
Sperm wars: Women are designed to procreate with the strongest possible genes. Bad boys are sending an unconscious message that they have great genes, so they’re not afraid of losing the woman by misbehaving. Nice guys are sending a message that they don’t think their genes are good enough, so they won’t misbehave.
Fear of intimacy: If a woman is afraid of intimacy, she subconsciously knows she can avoid it with a bad boy, since she can never get close enough to him to have to go there. A nice guy will eventually want a commitment, and that’s scary.
Low self-esteem: We don’t feel comfortable with people who treat us better than we treat ourselves. If you don’t think much of yourself, the bad boy is simply reinforcing your negative belief. A nice guy is treating you in a way you’re not familiar with.
Sex: Women feel a nice guy won’t be good in bed. They sometimes like to be manhandled and think a nice guy won’t be able to take control and get the job done. A bad boy comes across as being able to deliver, even though that may not always be the case.
Hot: Have you ever seen a bad boy who wasn’t hot? I’m sure there are a few, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with half the stuff they did if they didn’t look so good. Meanwhile, when a woman describes someone as a nice guy, she means, “He’s not hot”.
Charm: Nice guys don’t always know what to say, and are sometimes at a loss for words. Bad boys can be very charming and know exactly what women want (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/what-women-want) to hear. However, they eventually switch over to being selfish. By the time they reveal their true colors, the woman has fallen for them and has a hard time letting go.
Protection: Historically, men have protected women – physically and otherwise. Bad boys give the illusion of being able to protect women, while with nice guys, women aren’t so sure.
Life is about balance. Most men fall into either the bad boy or the nice guy category. The ideal man is neither, but walks that fine line between the two. Until men learn how to do this, more often than not, women will choose the bad boy, until they realize that his bad qualities outweigh his good ones.i gotta tell ya kiddo until now i wasnt even sure ya knew how to count to 12 lol but ya impressed the hell out of me lol jk.

[Paladin]

sure, but remember Mae West: "When I'm good, I'm good, but when I'm bad, I'm BETTER!"

In the end, bad boys get eaten up and spit out of the grinder, in lots of ways.

[rufusmaxwell]

sure, but remember Mae West: "When I'm good, I'm good, but when I'm bad, I'm BETTER!"

In the end, bad boys get eaten up and spit out of the grinder, in lots of ways.

There's a lot of truth in that as well, the bad boy's great until the reality of why he's a bad boy sets in!

[onmyknees]

i gotta tell ya kiddo until now i wasnt even sure ya knew how to count to 12 lol but ya impressed the hell out of me lol jk.

you're funny.....

My gawd Lisa....what ever made you question my intellect..?? I'm insulted, so now I'm gonna grab a handful of that blondish-red mane, slap your perfectly round ass, rip your top off, say unimaginably nasty things to you, throw you down on the satin sheets and tear you up !! LMAO

[nonnonnon]

thank the lord for escorts

[BluegrassCat]

What women want is a nice guy who acts like a bad boy at first but is dependable in the long run. Good fucking luck with that, lol. If it's the rakish aloof guy that makes her pussy tingle she can't complain when he spreads his bad boy seed.

[onmyknees]

Ha great post, you know regardless of it being true or not it sure hit the nail on the head with this post! Nice guys always finish last, ruthless cold ice water in the veins guys are gonna win all the time!


I remember years ago, my uncle had this sweet little girl working for him in his store. I knew the dude she was seeing and he was a real asshole. She was a doll. He treated her like shit....and my uncle would ask me what the pathology behind all that was. It was difficult to explain it, but this author sure the fuck captured it. Right then and there I knew the good guy thing for the most part wasn't gonna cut it. Now there's limits obviously, and exceptions to every rule.....and you can't fake it..women see right thru that shit...

[SXFX]

treat pussy like shit and pussy will love you....

[lisaparadise]

you're funny.....

My gawd Lisa....what ever made you question my intellect..?? I'm insulted, so now I'm gonna grab a handful of that blondish-red mane, slap your perfectly round ass, rip your top off, say unimaginably nasty things to you, throw you down on the satin sheets and tear you up !! LMAOhell ta now your talkin lol ps.how did you know i have satin sheets?

[kaiser1one]

12 Reasons Women Can’t Stand Nice Guys


By Lucia (http://www.yourtango.com/experts/25485)
Not real: Nice guys are too nice. No one can always be that nice unless they’re a saint. They are busy being nice instead of being real and women instinctually don’t trust that. Bad boys “keep it real”. Nice guys don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Respect: No one respects a doormat. Nice guys don’t set boundaries or make any real demands. A bad boy doesn’t let a woman walk all over him or control him. Women can’t respect a man they can control. No respect = No attraction (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/attraction).
Predictable: Most people lead boring, predictable lives, so they’re attracted to people who are exciting and a bit unpredictable. Bad boys are always a challenge. Nice guys are never a challenge. Predictable + No excitement + No challenge = I prefer a bad boy.
Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
Fixer-Upper: Nice guys don’t usually need to be fixed. Bad boys usually do, so they become a project. Women think if they can “create” the perfect man, he will never leave them. Also, if they’re busy fixing someone else, they don’t have to look at what needs to be fixed in their own lives.
Sperm wars: Women are designed to procreate with the strongest possible genes. Bad boys are sending an unconscious message that they have great genes, so they’re not afraid of losing the woman by misbehaving. Nice guys are sending a message that they don’t think their genes are good enough, so they won’t misbehave.
Fear of intimacy: If a woman is afraid of intimacy, she subconsciously knows she can avoid it with a bad boy, since she can never get close enough to him to have to go there. A nice guy will eventually want a commitment, and that’s scary.
Low self-esteem: We don’t feel comfortable with people who treat us better than we treat ourselves. If you don’t think much of yourself, the bad boy is simply reinforcing your negative belief. A nice guy is treating you in a way you’re not familiar with.
Sex: Women feel a nice guy won’t be good in bed. They sometimes like to be manhandled and think a nice guy won’t be able to take control and get the job done. A bad boy comes across as being able to deliver, even though that may not always be the case.
Hot: Have you ever seen a bad boy who wasn’t hot? I’m sure there are a few, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with half the stuff they did if they didn’t look so good. Meanwhile, when a woman describes someone as a nice guy, she means, “He’s not hot”.
Charm: Nice guys don’t always know what to say, and are sometimes at a loss for words. Bad boys can be very charming and know exactly what women want (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/what-women-want) to hear. However, they eventually switch over to being selfish. By the time they reveal their true colors, the woman has fallen for them and has a hard time letting go.
Protection: Historically, men have protected women – physically and otherwise. Bad boys give the illusion of being able to protect women, while with nice guys, women aren’t so sure.
Life is about balance. Most men fall into either the bad boy or the nice guy category. The ideal man is neither, but walks that fine line between the two. Until men learn how to do this, more often than not, women will choose the bad boy, until they realize that his bad qualities outweigh his good ones.


I'm nice and I'm real with it. I have no reason to be 2-faced about it.

Just because I'm nice doesn't mean I'm a pushover.

Not all nice guys are predictable.

Can't argue with the MN or FU bit.

Disagree with the Sperm wars thing. Bad boy will hit it and quit it and the woman will have his baby. Stupid woman.

Disagree with the Intimacy part. Woman will be dumb enough to have his baby.

So the nice guy shouldnt treat someone good? We should just treat others like shit?

Being a bad boy doesnt auto = good in bed. Thats just stupid. A nice guy can easily be an uber-freak in bed.

Nice guy tends to get associated with nerd. And when a chick says they like nerds, its usually not what you think. They want bad boy looks with nerd package.

Not that the BB knows what women want, just he knows how to get in their pants.

And until women wise up, they will keep getting used and abused and get taken for a ride by the BB.

[Chris in LA]

This is so on point, it's scary. At the end of the day, women want to be fucked right and the nice guys just don't deliver in bed from what I'm told. I have a buddy who is a nice guy and I hooked him up with a gf's friend once. She was so turned off because he was "making love" to her, whispering sweet nothings in her ear, when she said what turned her on was hair pulling, ass spanking and choking....and that has always worked for me. I always do that, talk a lot of shit and for some strange reason, they keep cumming back...

[Chris in LA]

I'm nice and I'm real with it. I have no reason to be 2-faced about it.

Just because I'm nice doesn't mean I'm a pushover.

Not all nice guys are predictable.

Can't argue with the MN or FU bit.

Disagree with the Sperm wars thing. Bad boy will hit it and quit it and the woman will have his baby. Stupid woman.

Disagree with the Intimacy part. Woman will be dumb enough to have his baby.

So the nice guy shouldnt treat someone good? We should just treat others like shit?

Being a bad boy doesnt auto = good in bed. Thats just stupid. A nice guy can easily be an uber-freak in bed.

Nice guy tends to get associated with nerd. And when a chick says they like nerds, its usually not what you think. They want bad boy looks with nerd package.

Not that the BB knows what women want, just he knows how to get in their pants.

And until women wise up, they will keep getting used and abused and get taken for a ride by the BB.

Spoken like a true pussy...that's why you don't get laid...

[Paulistano]

Sorry, but this is the only truth for me.
I've learned it already.

[theone1982]

Sorry, but this is the only truth for me.
I've learned it already.

Lol! That could be the standard uniform of many women that I know!:)

[amberskyi]

are you kidding?i love "good guys"!

[nonnonnon]

as long as they're thugs

[tsnajwa]

hair pulling, ass spanking and choking....and that has always worked for me. I always do that, talk a lot of shit and for some strange reason, they keep cumming back...

i'm sorry but if a guy did that to me he would get a kick to the balls and a face full of mace

[Chris in LA]

i'm sorry but if a guy did that to me he would get a kick to the balls and a face full of mace

Really??? You don't like getting your hair pulled & your ass spanked while a guy is deep inside you, telling you to take daddy's cock like a good little slut? You must be young...

[Equalizer]

Really??? You don't like getting your hair pulled & your ass spanked while a guy is deep inside you, telling you to take daddy's cock like a good little slut? You must be young...

amen bro!

nothing i like more than pulling the bitch by her hair while riding her ass

[youshouldtrythislol]

Who says you have to be a complete asshole to be the 'bad boy'? there is a difference between respecting a woman and being a pushover.

[Chris in LA]

amen bro!

nothing i like more than pulling the bitch by her hair while riding her ass

Right?? Every girl I've been with and done that to loves that shit!

[Equalizer]

Right?? Every girl I've been with and done that to loves that shit!

I love it when sluts get to be in blissful pain. pulling her hair, ripping her clothes, putting my hand in her mouth and just stretching it, putting my fingers up her nose, garbing her boobs. With hot CDs i love to pull off their wigs.

[theone1982]

I love it when sluts get to be in blissful pain. pulling her hair, ripping her clothes, putting my hand in her mouth and just stretching it, putting my fingers up her nose, garbing her boobs. With hot CDs i love to pull off their wigs.

The dreaded wig snatch!:)

[Chris in LA]

I love it when sluts get to be in blissful pain. pulling her hair, ripping her clothes, putting my hand in her mouth and just stretching it, putting my fingers up her nose, garbing her boobs. With hot CDs i love to pull off their wigs.

lol...i don't fuck with Cds & I definitely wouldn't want to yank a wig off, haha

[Equalizer]

lol...i don't fuck with Cds & I definitely wouldn't want to yank a wig off, haha

Im talking about a hot young passable one like her

http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/44/1caa8bbb03f74d799b438bec9218b264/l.jpg

[tsnajwa]

Really??? You don't like getting your hair pulled & your ass spanked while a guy is deep inside you, telling you to take daddy's cock like a good little slut? You must be young...

i was unaware self-respect was for the young D: or maybe its just because i dont really have interest in bottoming.. but i will gladly pull your hair and call you a little slut while fucking your ass.
see how toooootally that is unappealing sounding?
xx

[Mayrah]

lol...i don't fuck with Cds & I definitely wouldn't want to yank a wig off, haha

Hahah imagine being shitface drunk and you pull a wig off during sex, and the guy turns his head to you with a WTF look on his face :mrgreen:

[Silcc69]

CD's on a nice guy thread wtf!?

[Mayrah]

CD's on a nice guy thread wtf!?

Equalizer did the same @ the tranny chaser thread. :p

[Quiet Reflections]

In my experience women date and fuck the bad boys but settle down with the nice guys

[kaiser1one]

Spoken like a true pussy...that's why you don't get laid...

Well, shows what you know then cause I do get laid. Suck it.

[phobun]

Ha great post, you know regardless of it being true or not it sure hit the nail on the head with this post! Nice guys always finish last, ruthless cold ice water in the veins guys are gonna win all the time!
I remember years ago, my uncle had this sweet little girl working for him in his store. I knew the dude she was seeing and he was a real asshole. She was a doll. He treated her like shit....and my uncle would ask me what the pathology behind all that was. It was difficult to explain it, but this author sure the fuck captured it. Right then and there I knew the good guy thing for the most part wasn't gonna cut it. Now there's limits obviously, and exceptions to every rule.....and you can't fake it..women see right thru that shit...
treat pussy like shit and pussy will love you....
This is so on point, it's scary. At the end of the day, women want to be fucked right and the nice guys just don't deliver in bed from what I'm told. I have a buddy who is a nice guy and I hooked him up with a gf's friend once. She was so turned off because he was "making love" to her, whispering sweet nothings in her ear, when she said what turned her on was hair pulling, ass spanking and choking....and that has always worked for me. I always do that, talk a lot of shit and for some strange reason, they keep cumming back...
Really??? You don't like getting your hair pulled & your ass spanked while a guy is deep inside you, telling you to take daddy's cock like a good little slut? You must be young...
I love it when sluts get to be in blissful pain. pulling her hair, ripping her clothes, putting my hand in her mouth and just stretching it, putting my fingers up her nose, garbing her boobs. With hot CDs i love to pull off their wigs.

Im talking about a hot young passable one like her


There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.

LOL at lonely internet bigmouths who pretend to know what women want, while focusing on their own fantasies of involving crossdressers.

Yeah, women want badboys so bad, especially the thugs who aren't even interested in them, and who bottom and dream of cock!

This thread is a joke.

[Mayrah]

There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.

LOL at lonely internet bigmouths who pretend to know what women want, while focusing on their own fantasies of involving crossdressers.

Yeah, women want badboys so bad, especially the thugs who aren't even interested in them, and who bottom and dream of cock!

This thread is a joke.

Hahaha:party:

[Stavros]

1) Nice guys pay; bad boys dont -and I mean pay for new laptops, designer handbags, dinner dates, maybe even surgery: a bad boy goes blue and says 'whaaat???'

2) I think a lot of tg are attracted to teenage bad boys if they are slim with a big cock, they think they can turn them, but there was some research that was done in Brazil in the 80s where a tg prostitute regularly became 'impassioned' with the young lads hanging around her area. She would take them and they would be her bodyguard etc, and screw her senseless: she would buy them designer trainers, clothes, watches etc: but as soon as they got the taste for sucking her cock, they were out of the door. Temporary, tempestuous affairs with even some violence thrown in: too common I think...

[kaiser1one]

Only idiots would pay for something all the time.

[savannah]

hello all, Yea I know what u mean. I am a former nice guy and I have been treated like shit while assholes who cheat and treat thier wives and GF like crap have them cumming back for more. I have decided not to be so nice the next time. I dont mean cheat or treat someone bad but just be alittle more stern and maybe give her a few spankings here and their..

[Jackal]

Sorry, but this is the only truth for me.
I've learned it already.

haha, wow. Did you take this pic?

[onmyknees]

There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.

LOL at lonely internet bigmouths who pretend to know what women want, while focusing on their own fantasies of involving crossdressers.

Yeah, women want badboys so bad, especially the thugs who aren't even interested in them, and who bottom and dream of cock!

This thread is a joke.

how would you know what "women" want?? You've been fucking your left hand for years. You're unattracive physically, emotionally, politically, spiritually....you're just a sad conflicted excuse for a man. Now get the fuck outta this thread...

[onmyknees]

hell ta now your talkin lol ps.how did you know i have satin sheets?

A woman of your caliber would NEVER sleep on cotton sheets baby ! Now turn down that bed...daddy's comin' over !! LMAO

[Chris in LA]

i was unaware self-respect was for the young D: or maybe its just because i dont really have interest in bottoming.. but i will gladly pull your hair and call you a little slut while fucking your ass.
see how toooootally that is unappealing sounding?
xx

It has nothing to do with self-respect...its just fun having intense, mind blowing sex where you can do stuff like that, you'll see as you gain more experience. I'm not trying to be disrespectful at all, it's all in good, hot fun.

And yeah, if you're a top than that would not interest you, just like it wouldn't interest me, but maybe you should try it on the next bottom you're with, that shit will probably drive them crazy and they will beg for more!

[Chris in LA]

There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.

LOL at lonely internet bigmouths who pretend to know what women want, while focusing on their own fantasies of involving crossdressers.

Yeah, women want badboys so bad, especially the thugs who aren't even interested in them, and who bottom and dream of cock!

This thread is a joke.

Another pussy who doesn't get laid...

[Chris in LA]

In my experience women date and fuck the bad boys but settle down with the nice guys

No doubt they do, but only after they've been run thru by a ton of us bad boys 1st & we wouldn't want to settle down with them anyway...go ahead nice guys, turn that ho into a housewife, she is all yours!

[CannibalMan]

There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.
Best post so far. It's funny how the whole "masochism fetish" now and then gets confused with synonym of femininity, still most people who pay to get mistreated and humiliated by their partners are guys.

You might like bad guys (and I've known a few girls who like them), but that's not due to being a woman. It's because you have masochism tendencies, that's all.

[william.howl]

If I show no interest in a woman, she will be all over me. It seems that women hate nothing more than being ignored.

[tsnajwa]

There has been a lot of abusive, sick shit written in this thread.

LOL at lonely internet bigmouths who pretend to know what women want, while focusing on their own fantasies of involving crossdressers.

Yeah, women want badboys so bad, especially the thugs who aren't even interested in them, and who bottom and dream of cock!

This thread is a joke.


OMG i hope youre being serious.. maybe im just like not like every other girl or i'm just tired of being treated like shit by guys who are abusive and want you to pay to get them out of jail and call you "OMG crzy stalker bitch" when you find out they are married..
i mean yah bad boys are can be fun when you are teenager until you are on your 5th one and you realize you cant change them and theyll never be capable of caring for anyone else.. anyways that just my personal experience. so everytime i see a 'tapout" shirt i run the other way!
xx

[Quiet Reflections]

OMG i hope youre being serious.. maybe im just like not like every other girl or i'm just tired of being treated like shit by guys who are abusive and want you to pay to get them out of jail and call you "OMG crzy stalker bitch" when you find out they are married..
i mean yah bad boys are can be fun when you are teenager until you are on your 5th one and you realize you cant change them and theyll never be capable of caring for anyone else.. anyways that just my personal experience. so everytime i see a 'tapout" shirt i run the other way!
xx
any guy that says "omg" or wears tapout shirts probably loved his stay in jail anyway. Did you date the ed hardy fags too? those guys aren't bad boys they are posers. Go for the good guys, they may be boring sometimes but everyone is

[phobun]

Another pussy who doesn't get laid...


You're a liar, and people know it (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=901346&postcount=90).

[phobun]

how would you know what "women" want?? You've been fucking your left hand for years. You're unattracive physically, emotionally, politically, spiritually....you're just a sad conflicted excuse for a man. Now get the fuck outta this thread...

Yeah, a guy with a boner for this (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=859621) would put women in quotes!

I'm glad you find me unattractive, given you're an aging Republican who sucks off crossdressers.

What a bad boy!

[underdawg]

Most of the above replies are BS. Whatever happened to the phrase 'case by case basis' ?

[msbhaven]

I think people here are mistaking NEEDY men for nice men, and they are confusing a man with self confidence with a man that is narcissistic douche bag! But to be fair lots of other people in the real world do that too, and there is a very fine line between a guy who is kind and sweet, and one who is clingy needy and weak. To be honest NEEDY men creep me the Fuck Out!!! It's right up there with stalker like behavior on my list of things to avoid. On the other hand anybody that got that rough in bed with me would get a swift kick to the balls. Just because I'm a bottom doesn't mean you get to treat me like a fucking sex toy! Likewise I have very strong limits as to what I will put up with in a relationship, especially where men are concerned. Savannah get's closer then most here with his tongue in cheek comment about being stern and spankings. Know how to be independent, assert yourself, and maintain a certain level of aloofness without being a dickhead about it and you will do much better with women. Oh and if you want to do more then fuck them I suggest you be a success in the rest of your life. Unless you have a conscious that allows you to be a free loading mooch who will sponge off of anybody you need to have your shit together. Because the kind of girl you really want has no interest in being your sugar momma.

[MrF]

I'm agreeing with the last two posts by msbhaven and underdawg.

Sometimes the discussion here seems like we are trying to solve a statistical problem: how do most people think about this or that ? But it hardly matters on an individual level where our happiness lies. Furthermore, by the time you're an adult you have little choice as to how your personality functions; you are a product of your genes and your upbringing by your parents. As I "fairly nice" (but imperfect) guy, I ask the fine woman next to me if she likes nice guys or prefers bad boys, and she says she's happy to be with me. Therefore I'm happy. Can I believe that some hot women prefer bad boys ? Sure, but it doesn't matter much to me personally, unless of course that woman next to me is secretly hankering for bad boys (lol).

[BigDF]

No doubt they do, but only after they've been run thru by a ton of us bad boys 1st & we wouldn't want to settle down with them anyway...go ahead nice guys, turn that ho into a housewife, she is all yours!I think you and most of the other kiddies who posted like this on this thread would crap if you ran into a real bad boy! Little boy, the real bad boys aren't hanging out on sites like this, they're fucking your girlfriend while you're jacking off on here.

I'm a nice guy, but I get mean in a hurry when I see someone abusing another person. My first wife left me for a fakir like you kiddies, thought she was going to lead an exciting life, but now she's a married mom (another reason for going) in a similar situation to what she had with me. Which is good for her, since the real bad boys usually beat the crap out of their mates and generally end up in jail or in the ground.

Damn, this is a scary day, posted in two threads where I actually agreed with most of what Phobun posted in them. :hide-1:

[onmyknees]

Yeah, a guy with a boner for this (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=859621) would put women in quotes!

I'm glad you find me unattractive, given you're an aging Republican who sucks off crossdressers.

What a bad boy!

LOL....aging ??....LMAO. And it's not me who finds you unattractive.....it's just about everyone else on HA!! The Phobun fan club consists of one very strange, angry Asian man ! Just about every time you hit the keyboard, you're insulting someone. You have issues....seek help !!!!!!!

[onmyknees]

I think you and most of the other kiddies who posted like this on this thread would crap if you ran into a real bad boy! Little boy, the real bad boys aren't hanging out on sites like this, they're fucking your girlfriend while you're jacking off on here.

I'm a nice guy, but I get mean in a hurry when I see someone abusing another person. My first wife left me for a fakir like you kiddies, thought she was going to lead an exciting life, but now she's a married mom (another reason for going) in a similar situation to what she had with me. Which is good for her, since the real bad boys usually beat the crap out of their mates and generally end up in jail or in the ground.

Damn, this is a scary day, posted in two threads where I actually agreed with most of what Phobun posted in them. :hide-1:

Look....you are what you are....and whatever that is, as long as it's workin' for you that's all that matters. There's someone for everyone, and there's no shortage of women who aren't attracted to what the writer considers "bad boys". People are so hyper sensitive to what someone writes....just look at the Paris Hilton threads. It's really funny...or insecurity depending on how you look at it.

As far as agreeing with Phobun....that's on you dude ! LMAO

[Chris in LA]

I think you and most of the other kiddies who posted like this on this thread would crap if you ran into a real bad boy! Little boy, the real bad boys aren't hanging out on sites like this, they're fucking your girlfriend while you're jacking off on here.

I'm a nice guy, but I get mean in a hurry when I see someone abusing another person. My first wife left me for a fakir like you kiddies, thought she was going to lead an exciting life, but now she's a married mom (another reason for going) in a similar situation to what she had with me. Which is good for her, since the real bad boys usually beat the crap out of their mates and generally end up in jail or in the ground.

Damn, this is a scary day, posted in two threads where I actually agreed with most of what Phobun posted in them. :hide-1:

Come on Old Timer, dont get your depends all bunched up! I'm not talking about being a bad guy, there is a major difference between the two. Bad boys are what women want, it's just a proven fact.

I never said anything about abusing another person once! You're all butt broken cause your taking this thread personally, due to your wife leaving your "making love" boring sex ass, for a guy who knew how to fuck her the way she wanted it.

Let me ask you, have you ever, while having doggy style sex, grabbed the back of your lover's hair and pulled it just enough to yank her head back, or spanked her ass and asked her how much she loved your cock buried deep inside her? If not, then your sex or love making, lacks true passion...real talk...

[jgud051]

i wonder how many of these are fallacies.....?

[tsnajwa]

any guy that says "omg" or wears tapout shirts probably loved his stay in jail anyway. Did you date the ed hardy fags too? those guys aren't bad boys they are posers. Go for the good guys, they may be boring sometimes but everyone is

ummm no i was exaggerating i have never met a guy that says "omg".. the point i was trying to make was guys that dont respect me, call me a whore and ask "do you have a sister" or are generally rude and steal money from me those kind of bad boys i stay away from.. but that's just me and what i personally don't like. but every girl is different some girls like getting their hair pulled and called names while getting slapped hard in the face and spit on.. but that's just not for me.
To guys all i will say is get to know what a girl is interested in first and don't make the assumption that all girls are into being treated one way or are interested in that type of guy. and just be honest and don't lead her on, unless you're just looking for a quick lay then disregard all of what i said i guess
xx

[BigDF]

Come on Old Timer, dont get your depends all bunched up! I'm not talking about being a bad guy, there is a major difference between the two. Bad boys are what women want, it's just a proven fact. According to who?


I never said anything about abusing another person once! You're all butt broken cause your taking this thread personally, due to your wife leaving your "making love" boring sex ass, for a guy who knew how to fuck her the way she wanted it.This is likely true. I tend to take a lot of things personally. I know I need to lighten up.


Let me ask you, have you ever, while having doggy style sex, grabbed the back of your lover's hair and pulled it just enough to yank her head back, or spanked her ass and asked her how much she loved your cock buried deep inside her? If not, then your sex or love making, lacks true passion...real talk...To tell you the truth, Kid, I've never had doggy style sex because I like to look at my partner when I'm making love. Lacking true passion? That's also likely true, as for the most part I'm pretty laid back. But all the same:fu:

[dderek123]

Yeah man you gotta try some of the hair pulling and dirty talk. A lot of women love playing that extra submissive role.

[Chris in LA]

According to who?

This is likely true. I tend to take a lot of things personally. I know I need to lighten up.

To tell you the truth, Kid, I've never had doggy style sex because I like to look at my partner when I'm making love. Lacking true passion? That's also likely true, as for the most part I'm pretty laid back. But all the same:fu:

BigDF,

you are the nicest guy ever. I feel bad for you because you just didn't know the truth about how women like to get fucked and what keeps em cumming back for more. I'm hoping this thread helps you in the future and sheds some light on why this topic really is on point. Give it a shot, next time you have sex. You can still be a nice guy, obviously, that's not going to change...but switch it up in the sack and see the difference it makes. Women love doggy style sex, it hits them in a place that you just can't get to by simply staying in missionary style. If you had this advice 20 yrs ago, your life would be completely different. But it's never too late! I wish you luck my friend...

[Brittany St Jordan]

If it is just for wild crazy sexual adventures give me the bad boys any day of the week. They know what they want and how to get it. There is no BS involved in trying to figure what you are going to do together. Bad boys are cocky and arrogant because they can be. They have the body of a god and the ability to make women forget their name. The bad boy isn't ever Mr Right but always makes a good fit for Mr Rightnow.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Now that I finally know what my problem is....I'm too damn old to give a fuck!!!:shrug

[Merkurie]

Now that I finally know what my problem is....I'm too damn old to give a fuck!!!:shrug

You are never too old to treat a woman like crap.

[onmyknees]

If it is just for wild crazy sexual adventures give me the bad boys any day of the week. They know what they want and how to get it. There is no BS involved in trying to figure what you are going to do together. Bad boys are cocky and arrogant because they can be. They have the body of a god and the ability to make women forget their name. The bad boy isn't ever Mr Right but always makes a good fit for Mr Rightnow.


Well said...and everybody wins ( the bad boys and the guys upset they're not!) under your scenario. Have you considered politics baby ??? LMAO

[phobun]

Come on Old Timer, dont get your depends all bunched up! I'm not talking about being a bad guy, there is a major difference between the two. Bad boys are what women want, it's just a proven fact.

I never said anything about abusing another person once! You're all butt broken cause your taking this thread personally, due to your wife leaving your "making love" boring sex ass, for a guy who knew how to fuck her the way she wanted it.

Let me ask you, have you ever, while having doggy style sex, grabbed the back of your lover's hair and pulled it just enough to yank her head back, or spanked her ass and asked her how much she loved your cock buried deep inside her? If not, then your sex or love making, lacks true passion...real talk...


To intentionally use against him something painful, like what his ex-wife did to him, which he volunteered in good faith, makes you a piece of shit.

All of your bullshit and strange ideas, probably based on fantasies of skanks and porn, doesn't need to be injected into his life.

Besides, you're a liar, and people know it (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=901346&postcount=90).

[Chris in LA]

To intentionally use against him something painful, like what his ex-wife did to him, which he volunteered in good faith, makes you a piece of shit.

All of your bullshit and strange ideas, probably based on fantasies of skanks and porn, doesn't need to be injected into his life.

[/URL].

Get off my nutsack you little faggot. Strange ideas? Based on fantasies? They may seem strange to somebody who is a fat little fuck that gets no ass like u, but for somebody who knows whats up like i do, i just outlined how he can keep girls cumming back for more. Did you read his response? Sometimes the truth hurts shithead and i'm hoping i actually helped him going forward. he even said he has only done missionary style, which is one more style than u have ever done, go on with your 40 yr old virgin fat ass....i bet you think titties feel like bags of sand, huh?

[Tjm27]

12 Reasons Women Can’t Stand Nice Guys


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By Lucia (http://www.yourtango.com/experts/25485)
Not real: Nice guys are too nice. No one can always be that nice unless they’re a saint. They are busy being nice instead of being real and women instinctually don’t trust that. Bad boys “keep it real”. Nice guys don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Respect: No one respects a doormat. Nice guys don’t set boundaries or make any real demands. A bad boy doesn’t let a woman walk all over him or control him. Women can’t respect a man they can control. No respect = No attraction (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/attraction).
Predictable: Most people lead boring, predictable lives, so they’re attracted to people who are exciting and a bit unpredictable. Bad boys are always a challenge. Nice guys are never a challenge. Predictable + No excitement + No challenge = I prefer a bad boy.
Mother Nature: Women are designed to nurture. However, instead of doing this with children, they often end up doing it with bad boys. They think their love will save them. Nice guys rarely need to be saved.
Fixer-Upper: Nice guys don’t usually need to be fixed. Bad boys usually do, so they become a project. Women think if they can “create” the perfect man, he will never leave them. Also, if they’re busy fixing someone else, they don’t have to look at what needs to be fixed in their own lives.
Sperm wars: Women are designed to procreate with the strongest possible genes. Bad boys are sending an unconscious message that they have great genes, so they’re not afraid of losing the woman by misbehaving. Nice guys are sending a message that they don’t think their genes are good enough, so they won’t misbehave.
Fear of intimacy: If a woman is afraid of intimacy, she subconsciously knows she can avoid it with a bad boy, since she can never get close enough to him to have to go there. A nice guy will eventually want a commitment, and that’s scary.
Low self-esteem: We don’t feel comfortable with people who treat us better than we treat ourselves. If you don’t think much of yourself, the bad boy is simply reinforcing your negative belief. A nice guy is treating you in a way you’re not familiar with.
Sex: Women feel a nice guy won’t be good in bed. They sometimes like to be manhandled and think a nice guy won’t be able to take control and get the job done. A bad boy comes across as being able to deliver, even though that may not always be the case.
Hot: Have you ever seen a bad boy who wasn’t hot? I’m sure there are a few, but they wouldn’t be able to get away with half the stuff they did if they didn’t look so good. Meanwhile, when a woman describes someone as a nice guy, she means, “He’s not hot”.
Charm: Nice guys don’t always know what to say, and are sometimes at a loss for words. Bad boys can be very charming and know exactly what women want (http://www.yourtango.com/super-tag/what-women-want) to hear. However, they eventually switch over to being selfish. By the time they reveal their true colors, the woman has fallen for them and has a hard time letting go.
Protection: Historically, men have protected women – physically and otherwise. Bad boys give the illusion of being able to protect women, while with nice guys, women aren’t so sure.
Life is about balance. Most men fall into either the bad boy or the nice guy category. The ideal man is neither, but walks that fine line between the two. Until men learn how to do this, more often than not, women will choose the bad boy, until they realize that his bad qualities outweigh his good ones.

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This is absolutely great for the uneducated bad girl who does not know any better and wants an uncommitting guy. I have lots of really HOT female friends who crave these guys and chase them. Then I laugh at them when they find their boyfriend on a date with another girl and it breaks their heart. If everyone tells you "he has NEVER been faithful to anyone" what makes you think he will be faithful to you? Bad boys are great, they never change and they keep breaking hearts over and over again because they just dont give a Fck about you . Again this is fine for the girl who doesn't care, but sorry, most women cannot control there feelings and eventually will fall. Most women learn from there mistakes and look for a more normal guy after abused once or twice (unless she is a bad girl herself).

True story.. Super hot girl dumps nice guy for super hot bad boy. Bad boy lies to her, tells her she is everything he ever wanted and loves her. Does all the right things for being the right challenge for her, she falls big time for him. Stays in an otherwise difficult relationship trying to change him, finds out he is totally playing her and F'ing every hot girl he can find. She confronts him, he dumps her and takes off totally breaking her heart and wont even communicate with her. 2 weeks later she finds she has an STD and is pregnant (bad boy leaves town tells her FU good luck with the baby), she goes to Doctor to get checked out, doc tells her days later that she has HIV and needs to worry about that and not the other STD's he gave her. She wishes she NEVER left that nice guy.

So, go ahead hot ladies, chase your bad boys and let the nice guys laugh at your stupidity. I love seeing these guys run once they get a girl prego. If the hot girl is that stupid to chase more bad boys then its a great thing because I would never want to be with someone that stupid.

Now I am not a nice guy, but I totally respect women and treat them well. If some girl wants to be used like a rag and thrown away, dont come my way. I have learned that control in the relationship does go to the one who cares less, BUT the one who loves more will always be happier,.. always. So pick a person who will love you back.... Unless your just there for sex and nothing else then none of this matters!

[Brittany St Jordan]

Well said...and everybody wins ( the bad boys and the guys upset they're not!) under your scenario. Have you considered politics baby ??? LMAO

lol I wouldn't be able to get the bible belt votes ;)

[onmyknees]

lol I wouldn't be able to get the bible belt votes ;)


i remain in lust with you Britt ! :fuckin:

[Brittany St Jordan]

i remain in lust with you Britt ! :fuckin:

;) Good!!!

[Birgitta]

So, go ahead hot ladies, chase your bad boys and let the nice guys laugh at your stupidity. I love seeing these guys run once they get a girl prego. If the hot girl is that stupid to chase more bad boys then its a great thing because I would never want to be with someone that stupid.

Now I am not a nice guy, but I totally respect women and treat them well. If some girl wants to be used like a rag and thrown away, dont come my way. I have learned that control in the relationship does go to the one who cares less, BUT the one who loves more will always be happier,..


:Bowdown:

[onmyknees]

__________________________________________________ _______________

This is absolutely great for the uneducated bad girl who does not know any better and wants an uncommitting guy. I have lots of really HOT female friends who crave these guys and chase them. Then I laugh at them when they find their boyfriend on a date with another girl and it breaks their heart. If everyone tells you "he has NEVER been faithful to anyone" what makes you think he will be faithful to you? Bad boys are great, they never change and they keep breaking hearts over and over again because they just dont give a Fck about you . Again this is fine for the girl who doesn't care, but sorry, most women cannot control there feelings and eventually will fall. Most women learn from there mistakes and look for a more normal guy after abused once or twice (unless she is a bad girl herself).

True story.. Super hot girl dumps nice guy for super hot bad boy. Bad boy lies to her, tells her she is everything he ever wanted and loves her. Does all the right things for being the right challenge for her, she falls big time for him. Stays in an otherwise difficult relationship trying to change him, finds out he is totally playing her and F'ing every hot girl he can find. She confronts him, he dumps her and takes off totally breaking her heart and wont even communicate with her. 2 weeks later she finds she has an STD and is pregnant (bad boy leaves town tells her FU good luck with the baby), she goes to Doctor to get checked out, doc tells her days later that she has HIV and needs to worry about that and not the other STD's he gave her. She wishes she NEVER left that nice guy.

So, go ahead hot ladies, chase your bad boys and let the nice guys laugh at your stupidity. I love seeing these guys run once they get a girl prego. If the hot girl is that stupid to chase more bad boys then its a great thing because I would never want to be with someone that stupid.

Now I am not a nice guy, but I totally respect women and treat them well. If some girl wants to be used like a rag and thrown away, dont come my way. I have learned that control in the relationship does go to the one who cares less, BUT the one who loves more will always be happier,.. always. So pick a person who will love you back.... Unless your just there for sex and nothing else then none of this matters!

So, go ahead hot ladies, chase your bad boys and let the nice guys laugh at your stupidity. I love seeing these guys run once they get a girl prego. If the hot girl is that stupid to chase more bad boys then its a great thing because I would never want to be with someone that stupid.

Now I am not a nice guy, but I totally respect women and treat them well. If some girl wants to be used like a rag and thrown away, dont come my way. I have learned that control in the relationship does go to the one who cares less, BUT the one who loves more will always be happier,.. always. So pick a person who will love you back.... Unless your just there for sex and nothing else then none of this matters!


These two paragraphs seem to contradict each other. So are you a nice guy....or not?

The art is, as it is in so many other things in life...is to find the compromise, I don't think the author of the article was referring to low life unemployed thugs ...and I say again....no matter what category you fall into, if it's working for you...why worry about what someone writes or thinks? Do your thing.

[BigDF]

BigDF,

you are the nicest guy ever. I feel bad for you because you just didn't know the truth about how women like to get fucked and what keeps em cumming back for more. I'm hoping this thread helps you in the future and sheds some light on why this topic really is on point. Give it a shot, next time you have sex. You can still be a nice guy, obviously, that's not going to change...but switch it up in the sack and see the difference it makes. Women love doggy style sex, it hits them in a place that you just can't get to by simply staying in missionary style. If you had this advice 20 yrs ago, your life would be completely different. But it's never too late! I wish you luck my friend...Could be what you say is true, Chris, but since my wife and I just celebrated our 22nd wedding anniversary yesterday, not entirely sure that I would want my life to be all that different. Because of our physiques, doggy style just didn't work out for us, but missionary worked just fine for us back in the days when we could have sex. Things are a little different for us now and sex isn't really a part of our lives, although our affection for each other remains strong. I have no idea what your romantic situation is, but I heartily recommend finding someone you can love and who loves you, because you can never tell how life is going to turn out for you. Good luck to you as well...

[Jericho]

Women love doggy style sex, it hits them in a place that you just can't get to by simply staying in missionary style. If you had this advice 20 yrs ago, your life would be completely different.

:dead:
Fuck me to tears!

[Nooksack]

So, go ahead hot ladies, chase your bad boys and let the nice guys laugh at your stupidity. I love seeing these guys run once they get a girl prego. If the hot girl is that stupid to chase more bad boys then its a great thing because I would never want to be with someone that stupid.

Now I am not a nice guy, but I totally respect women and treat them well. If some girl wants to be used like a rag and thrown away, dont come my way. I have learned that control in the relationship does go to the one who cares less, BUT the one who loves more will always be happier,.. always. So pick a person who will love you back.... Unless your just there for sex and nothing else then none of this matters!


These two paragraphs seem to contradict each other. So are you a nice guy....or not?

The art is, as it is in so many other things in life...is to find the compromise, I don't think the author of the article was referring to low life unemployed thugs ...and I say again....no matter what category you fall into, if it's working for you...why worry about what someone writes or thinks? Do your thing.

What you lack here is any definition of what a "Bad Boy" is. Are you talking about a true "Bad Boy" or some fake poseur? REAL "Bad Boys" are as rare as REAL "Nice Guys" because both represent the extremes of the spectrum. I concur that you go with what works for you, but I think there is a grain of truth in the APPEARANCE of the "Bad Guy."


... I don't think the author of the article was referring to low life unemployed thugs...

Why not? Are they not bad boys? "Buck the system! Rebel! Fuck work, I do what I want and take what I want and if you don't let me take it, I'll whip your ass!" Sorry, but if that's the person that other people are looking for in a world that does not espouse violence as the primary method of surviving in modern society (this excludes third-world countries and other nations that have resisted a push into beyond "might is right" for everything), then you can have them... bad boys OR bad girls.

I consider myself a "Nice Guy," but not to the absolute anathema of survival that is portrayed by the ultimate stereotyped list that begins this thread. The person that has most of these traits, once again, is an extreme... and might be the guy from the movie "Higher Learning" who goes all Neo-Nazi and starts shooting people from the top of a building.

That being said, I sure as fuck know how to stand up for myself and I won't get walked all over; compromise is usually better than always getting your way or always giving it up. I open doors, tell the truth, respect other people, drive more defensively than aggressively and I'm pretty damn smart, but I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I know how to effectively fight with or without weapons to my own strengths. I think I'm pretty charming, have an excellent (perhaps overdeveloped) sense of self-worth. Conceited? No. Confident?

I wonder if the person who wrote this article is the failure at life who embodies all of the traits in the list.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

12 reasons...I don't need 12 reasons! One will do.... They're Fuckin' Stupid!!!:yayo::yayo:

[onmyknees]

What you lack here is any definition of what a "Bad Boy" is. Are you talking about a true "Bad Boy" or some fake poseur? REAL "Bad Boys" are as rare as REAL "Nice Guys" because both represent the extremes of the spectrum. I concur that you go with what works for you, but I think there is a grain of truth in the APPEARANCE of the "Bad Guy."



Why not? Are they not bad boys? "Buck the system! Rebel! Fuck work, I do what I want and take what I want and if you don't let me take it, I'll whip your ass!" Sorry, but if that's the person that other people are looking for in a world that does not espouse violence as the primary method of surviving in modern society (this excludes third-world countries and other nations that have resisted a push into beyond "might is right" for everything), then you can have them... bad boys OR bad girls.

I consider myself a "Nice Guy," but not to the absolute anathema of survival that is portrayed by the ultimate stereotyped list that begins this thread. The person that has most of these traits, once again, is an extreme... and might be the guy from the movie "Higher Learning" who goes all Neo-Nazi and starts shooting people from the top of a building.

That being said, I sure as fuck know how to stand up for myself and I won't get walked all over; compromise is usually better than always getting your way or always giving it up. I open doors, tell the truth, respect other people, drive more defensively than aggressively and I'm pretty damn smart, but I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I know how to effectively fight with or without weapons to my own strengths. I think I'm pretty charming, have an excellent (perhaps overdeveloped) sense of self-worth. Conceited? No. Confident?

I wonder if the person who wrote this article is the failure at life who embodies all of the traits in the list.


Again....I think Britt had the absolute spot on response to this. She knows exactly what the author was referring to. I tend to doubt the author had Neo Nazis in mind as she wrote the article. LOL..It's all about attitude..and has nothing to do with formal education, concealed weapons, agressive driving, or lack of respect for other people. I think you're missing the point...and the defination with all due respect.

[Chris in LA]

Could be what you say is true, Chris, but since my wife and I just celebrated our 22nd wedding anniversary yesterday, not entirely sure that I would want my life to be all that different. Because of our physiques, doggy style just didn't work out for us, but missionary worked just fine for us back in the days when we could have sex. Things are a little different for us now and sex isn't really a part of our lives, although our affection for each other remains strong. I have no idea what your romantic situation is, but I heartily recommend finding someone you can love and who loves you, because you can never tell how life is going to turn out for you. Good luck to you as well...

BigDF, you've been married for 22 years, that is incredible! Congrats, that is quite an accompishment. That shows a lot about you, didn't mean to offend you in this thread earlier, I hope you're happy in your marriage. Monogomy is something that is very difficult for me to choose...but I can appreciate somebody who is able to do that like yourself, continued success....

[GrimFusion]

This topic is a bit defeatist being there aren't any genuinely "nice guys" around here to defend themselves. Besides, I don't think it's fair to label every dude with just enough self-worth and motivation a "bad boy" and in contrast liken "nice guys" to bumbling social retards.

However, I think it is pretty safe to say that men on both ends of that spectrum have serious issues getting laid. The manipulative douche bags lie about it, and the nerds don't talk about it at all. Most dudes don't fall into either category distinctly and get ass a whole lot more than nice guys or bad boys because they aren't busy trying too hard.

By the way, screw whoever first said "bad boys" are real while "nice guys" are fake. You've got that one completely backward. Usually it's the bad boys so motivated by getting some that feel the need to lie to kick it. It's not the average guys or the nice guys telling bitches they make fat wads of cash, work as doctors, drive nice cars, and live in mansions only to return home to their apartment and end up spending the rest of the night binge drinking in front of reruns and a TV dinner.

It's whatever, though. Bad boys usually hook up with really dumb bitches and as far as I'm concerned, they can keep 'em. I'd rather not associate with chicks who are so fucked in the head and hungry for attention they're willing to bunk up with just about any dude willing to remember their first name.

[BigDF]

BigDF, you've been married for 22 years, that is incredible! Congrats, that is quite an accompishment. That shows a lot about you, didn't mean to offend you in this thread earlier, I hope you're happy in your marriage. Monogomy is something that is very difficult for me to choose...but I can appreciate somebody who is able to do that like yourself, continued success....Thank you for your kind comments and yes I am happy in my marriage and verified the same with my wife. I think monogamy is much easier to accomplish when we get older, although there are times when it is quite difficult to maintain. There are certain people I've come across on here who could really tempt me if they were anywhere nearby. I've been seriously tempted only a couple of times in this marriage and for awhile it was touch and go both times. Fortunately things worked out for the best and we're still together, but relationships are living, breathing things that are constantly evolving.

As for making that choice, it comes when you decide to devote yourself to one person and when and if that happens to you, trust me you won't even think about that as a choice. That comes later on after the shine of the new relationship wears off. But if you've found the right person for you, you find it harder to think about life with anyone else. Once again, good luck to you...:)

[Deimos]

ever hear that saying "nice guys finish last"

well it should be "nice guys don't finish... period"

true story lol

[runningdownthatdream]

Again....I think Britt had the absolute spot on response to this. She knows exactly what the author was referring to. I tend to doubt the author had Neo Nazis in mind as she wrote the article. LOL..It's all about attitude..and has nothing to do with formal education, concealed weapons, agressive driving, or lack of respect for other people. I think you're missing the point...and the defination with all due respect.

Can you define the attitude? Does it include having some affinity for Harley Davidson like motorcycles, acting like you 'don't give a fuck', walking with a swagger, treating women like objects, wearing Ed Hardy(!?!?!?!), or something more subtle along the lines of a Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, or John Wayne Gacy type personality?

Not having the mind of a woman and having never been one to consider what a woman wants in a man I don't get this 'bad boy' thing.

[baller1987]

For me it's worked best to be a polite and considerate gentleman. If a girl is turned off by that, then she is too immature to be with me. You can be a gentleman without kissing someones ass. For instance if a girl says something stupid im not just going to agree with her, just because she's hot. That shows you have no backbone. But if you correct her in a way that doesnt put her down, you've shown you have a backbone and are still nice all at the same time. It takes confidence to be a considerate person and nothing says hung like confidence.

[dderek123]

I think people who love drama go searching for it. Some find it in 'bad boys' and others find it in substance abuse, talking shit to their peers etc. Who cares if you're not 'bad enough' for a woman. There are plenty of fish in the sea just move on. You're going to be 'bad enough' for somebody out there.

[for-ward]

I just finished reading the other thread about how screwed up life is, now I find this.
Again social sterotypes that shouldn't even exist and make absolutely no sense tend to stick with the masses. "Bad Boys" are exactly that, losers. When guys hear about how some "bad boy" is scoring most guys laugh at those chicks because weeks down the road those same chicks are swearing up a storm about those same losers.......but you dated them? How many "BAD BOYS" do you need to go through before you realize these guys are just losers that cover up for have nothing to offer by acting like an Alpha Male?

Real Alpha Males don't need fake attention, their not called "BAD BOYS". Their called captains of industries, leaders etc....

"Nice guys" overdo everything because they believe women know what they want and the truth is YOU don't. That's why depression in females outnumbers males by 4-1. Women subscribe to too many retarded social sterotypes and constantly read garbage on relationships in crappy self help books, watch crappy programs like OPRAH. ALL media's try to set up trends for you to follow but why should you?

It's not rocket science. If you find someone you are attracted, that treats you and your family with respect, makes you happy, then be with them. Stop chasing losers thinking that you'll change them, men don't change, they lie about it. The fact that you can't figure that out shows you don't know men.

I'm not going to bother arguing with any of you, keep doing what you want, keep complaining and wasting your lives with losers, doesn't affect me, I'll still be laughing at you years later after you come on here, twitter, facebook writing all kinds of nasty stuff about the loser "bad boy" you thought was the one.

[partlycloudy]

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[Birgitta]

To be able to trust a guy is what I find attractive and sexy...
and that he has some confidence in himself...

[LittleGuy]

PAC was right

[Ineeda SM]

The answer is simple. Women that can't stand nice guys, are not nice girls.

[russtafa]

A lot of people are not fit to kiss nice people's feet.That's why they are scum.Its not their fault ,it's because they were dragged up not brought up

[biguy4tvtscd]

I'm still trying to understand how the correlation has been made that how you treat a woman overall in life, determines how you fuck her in bed. Baffling.

How about if I want to pull her hair and smack her ass on a Tuesday night, but get down with some passionate gentle lovemaking on Friday. Is that OK? Which does that make me? Bad, good, or some happy medium?

[Brittany St Jordan]

The answer is simple. Women that can't stand nice guys, are not nice girls.

But if the girl knows what she wants and it isn't what the so called nice guys have to offer then what makes her so bad for be honest and true to herself? The nice guys may feel like shit and think they are being treated like crap but that is usually because they go after the girl who likes her freedom and they want her to be their one and only.

The girls that don't let the guys know this from the start may not be so nice but to say simply because we like the bad boys we aren't good at heart is an incorrect generalization for many of us.

[Jackal]

Could the original post have a more slanted definition of a "nice guy" or what? A guy can be a gentleman and treat others nicely without being a pushover, highly neurotic, boring, physically weak, having poor genes, bad in bed, not charming, unattractive/not hot, and without self-esteem. If you falsely link every personal problem a guy could have with a certain type of guy, then of course that will make that type look bad. Some nice guys have a lot of baggage, but that does not go to all.

[a994]

i was unaware self-respect was for the young D: or maybe its just because i dont really have interest in bottoming.. but i will gladly pull your hair and call you a little slut while fucking your ass.
see how toooootally that is unappealing sounding?

You would be surprised how many dudes here would find that hot.

[robertlouis]

Most people I've known think of me as a "nice guy" - I treat others as I would expect and hope that they would treat me.

It has never done me any harm and has generally done me a lot of good in all aspects of life, including relationships.

If a woman actually wants to be mistreated, that's just not me, I simply won't do it.

[nonnonnon]

what if they ask nicely?

[robertlouis]

what if they ask nicely?

Serious answer to a humorous question.

Quite some time ago I had a long relationship with a girl who got off on being hurt, really hurt. It got to the point where I could no longer bear the thought of doing actual physical damage to someone I was really fond of, so I ended the relationship - it had come to dominate every other aspect.

Two years later she was so badly beaten by another lover that she ended up not quite crippled, but disabled and disfigured. To this day I still wonder if I should have stayed with her to try and get her off the seriously fetishistic violence and self-harm that she was getting into. And I still feel guilty that I didn't.

[Ineeda SM]

But if the girl knows what she wants and it isn't what the so called nice guys have to offer then what makes her so bad for be honest and true to herself? The nice guys may feel like shit and think they are being treated like crap but that is usually because they go after the girl who likes her freedom and they want her to be their one and only.

The girls that don't let the guys know this from the start may not be so nice but to say simply because we like the bad boys we aren't good at heart is an incorrect generalization for many of us.

Brittany, she is not bad for being honest, but it's not about that. There is an old saying, "It takes one to know one". A nice guy will usually be attracted to a nice girl and vice-verse. Those who are more on the wilder (Bad) side will most likely be attracted to the same type. Nothing wrong with either one, that's just how it is. Not exclusively but typically.

But a wilder type girl will typically not be attracted to the "Nice guy" type. They just don't fit together like a pair of sox that are 2 different colors. Sure you can wear them that way, but it looks dumb. Now on the other hand, there are nice guys who want a bad girl as a fantasy to enjoy. But when the fantasy is over, they usually will go their separate ways.

I am stuck somewhere in between. I want a nice girl that can be a bit of a bad girl at that right moment. LOL.

[onmyknees]

I just finished reading the other thread about how screwed up life is, now I find this.
Again social sterotypes that shouldn't even exist and make absolutely no sense tend to stick with the masses. "Bad Boys" are exactly that, losers. When guys hear about how some "bad boy" is scoring most guys laugh at those chicks because weeks down the road those same chicks are swearing up a storm about those same losers.......but you dated them? How many "BAD BOYS" do you need to go through before you realize these guys are just losers that cover up for have nothing to offer by acting like an Alpha Male?

Real Alpha Males don't need fake attention, their not called "BAD BOYS". Their called captains of industries, leaders etc....

"Nice guys" overdo everything because they believe women know what they want and the truth is YOU don't. That's why depression in females outnumbers males by 4-1. Women subscribe to too many retarded social sterotypes and constantly read garbage on relationships in crappy self help books, watch crappy programs like OPRAH. ALL media's try to set up trends for you to follow but why should you?

It's not rocket science. If you find someone you are attracted, that treats you and your family with respect, makes you happy, then be with them. Stop chasing losers thinking that you'll change them, men don't change, they lie about it. The fact that you can't figure that out shows you don't know men.

I'm not going to bother arguing with any of you, keep doing what you want, keep complaining and wasting your lives with losers, doesn't affect me, I'll still be laughing at you years later after you come on here, twitter, facebook writing all kinds of nasty stuff about the loser "bad boy" you thought was the one.



Wow...a bit touchy aren't we? I think what the author, and some of the ladies have attempted to point out is there are some women attracted to dark skin, some to blonde hair, blue eyes, some to bikers, some to the smart silent type...some seek affluence, others security, but there is a lot of women who are attracted to a little bit of danger, self confidence, and a touch of recklessness.

I think your defination of bad boys would differ from most women who are attracted to that type of dude. A loser is a loser...not a bad boy. I know some pretty bad dudes, and you might not know it by looking or talking to them, but trust me...women do. It's not necissarily about physical stature or yearly income ....it's more about attitude.

Don't be so condesending and judgemental about what others are attracted to. You protest a little to strongly. And not to worry...I'm sure there's more than enough women who are attracted to nice guys like you LOL

[GrimFusion]

There are stigmas that come with the "nice guy" and "bad boy" labels which in themselves are hard to define, but become even murkier when you try splitting a large group of guys into the two categories. Everybody chucks in their own personal definition of "nice guys" and "bad boys" until neither category applies well to anybody.

I also think the OP is just complaining because they don't get laid as often as they would like to. If that's not the case, why try rubbing everybody's face in it or down-playing the competition? If you think you're a "bad boy", you shouldn't need to announce it so everybody knows. If you're really a "bad boy" and believe it's somehow your destiny to get laid more than anybody else, announcing it is pointless because everybody should already know anyway.

[Jackal]

There are stigmas that come with the "nice guy" and "bad boy" labels which in themselves are hard to define, but become even murkier when you try splitting a large group of guys into the two categories. Everybody chucks in their own personal definition of "nice guys" and "bad boys" until neither category applies well to anybody.

I also think the OP is just complaining because they don't get laid as often as they would like to. If that's not the case, why try rubbing everybody's face in it or down-playing the competition? If you think you're a "bad boy", you shouldn't need to announce it so everybody knows. If you're really a "bad boy" and believe it's somehow your destiny to get laid more than anybody else, announcing it is pointless because everybody should already know anyway.

A bit like that old trope about swagger...people who have to brag on and on about something most likely are insecure about it or lack it. For instance, constantly saying you are not afraid of something probably means you are afraid. Ironically, this is especially true with self-confidence. Think about it...is it someone's actions or someone's insistence that they are self-confident that make you think someone is confident.

[PomonaCA]

I am stuck somewhere in between. I want a nice girl that can be a bit of a bad girl at that right moment. LOL.

Holy beJesus! This is the ultimate QFT QUOTE OF ALL TIME!

[Brittany St Jordan]

I am stuck somewhere in between. I want a nice girl that can be a bit of a bad girl at that right moment. LOL.

A queen in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom?

[fred41]

Serious answer to a humorous question.

Quite some time ago I had a long relationship with a girl who got off on being hurt, really hurt. It got to the point where I could no longer bear the thought of doing actual physical damage to someone I was really fond of, so I ended the relationship - it had come to dominate every other aspect.

Two years later she was so badly beaten by another lover that she ended up not quite crippled, but disabled and disfigured. To this day I still wonder if I should have stayed with her to try and get her off the seriously fetishistic violence and self-harm that she was getting into. And I still feel guilty that I didn't.

Without going into personal history...I've learned a long time ago that you can't hold yourself responsible for another person's mental illness and think you can make it your sworn duty to guide them through it ...often an impossible task. I think you know this already.

Although the example you gave is an extreme one, it does illustrate how sometimes our needs in the bedroom are just too different from our partner's to keep a relationship together. Often people have little fetishes and fantasies that can be accomplished in bed with willing partners even if it is out of the norm of what the other partner normally likes to do themselves...it's part of caring and can make sex much better in a growing relationship. However...if a person's sexual needs as a whole force their partner to stray too far away from their own nature in the bedroom, to the point of sex becoming work and therefore undesirable...then that couple needs to recognize that they are sexually incompatible and more than likely, are better off going their separate ways.

[GrimFusion]

Although the example you gave is an extreme one, it does illustrate how sometimes our needs in the bedroom are just too different from our partner's to keep a relationship together. Often people have little fetishes and fantasies that can be accomplished in bed with willing partners even if it is out of the norm of what the other partner normally likes to do themselves...it's part of caring and can make sex much better in a growing relationship. However...if a person's sexual needs as a whole force their partner to stray too far away from their own nature in the bedroom, to the point of sex becoming work and therefore undesirable...then that couple needs to recognize that they are sexually incompatible and more than likely, are better off going their separate ways.

Isn't that some shit, though?
If everything else in a relationship is working out dandy and the only outstanding difference is sex, doesn't it seem rather petty to break up? I'm in a three year relationship with a chick who has always wanted me to get a little too rough with her in the sack. The choking stuff is okay; not really a shared interest, but I don't mind doing that for her from time to time. She's asked me to beat the hell out of her, bring pills and other dudes home so she can get high, black out, and have a threesome "worth not remembering", and a load of other shit which borders on rape fantasy, but I can't bring myself to mistreat her like that AND hold a boner.

All that because her ex was a twisted, abusive mother fucker and apparently I need to get with the program. I've gotten her to understand she can't (or shouldn't) take the sex life she had with an ex and try to recreate it with a new boyfriend; especially if she was trying to get away from all the mistreatment her ex put her through outside of the bedroom. She gets it, but she's not happy about it.

Realistically, I think it's up to both partners to arrive at some middle-ground in the bedroom and refusing to do so and falling back on sexual incompatibility as the sole reason for breaking up is a sure sign of immaturity.

[Jericho]

Isn't that some shit, though?
If everything else in a relationship is working out dandy and the only outstanding difference is sex, doesn't it seem rather petty to break up?

Nope, don't think it's petty at all.

If someone has an itch, sooner or later, it's gonna need scratching. And if it aint you, then sooner or later, someone else is going to be shoving their fat little cock up her arse while you're out working to put food on the table.

Just my take on it. :shrug

[fred41]

Isn't that some shit, though?
If everything else in a relationship is working out dandy and the only outstanding difference is sex, doesn't it seem rather petty to break up? I'm in a three year relationship with a chick who has always wanted me to get a little too rough with her in the sack. The choking stuff is okay; not really a shared interest, but I don't mind doing that for her from time to time. She's asked me to beat the hell out of her, bring pills and other dudes home so she can get high, black out, and have a threesome "worth not remembering", and a load of other shit which borders on rape fantasy, but I can't bring myself to mistreat her like that AND hold a boner.

All that because her ex was a twisted, abusive mother fucker and apparently I need to get with the program. I've gotten her to understand she can't (or shouldn't) take the sex life she had with an ex and try to recreate it with a new boyfriend; especially if she was trying to get away from all the mistreatment her ex put her through outside of the bedroom. She gets it, but she's not happy about it.

Realistically, I think it's up to both partners to arrive at some middle-ground in the bedroom and refusing to do so and falling back on sexual incompatibility as the sole reason for breaking up is a sure sign of immaturity.

If sex isn't very important in a relationship..and everything else is fine, or more than makes up for it...then it might be worth hanging in there.

..but only an individual can decide what is petty in a relationship. What's petty to you may be intolerable to someone else. You can't always put yourself in another person's head and judge what their actions in a given relationship should be unless it's your own..
..and sometimes, by staying together.. all you wind up doing is causing more pain and problems to yourself and your partner than you sometimes seem to have the ability to see.

As a side note...your girlfriends preferences in the bedroom may have existed in her head way before she ever met her abusive ex. She may have sought out the abuse....and always will. You could very well be fighting a losing battle. I've seen many people brought down by others they thought they were helping.

[fred41]

Nope, don't think it's petty at all.

If someone has an itch, sooner or later, it's gonna need scratching. And if it aint you, then sooner or later, someone else is going to be shoving their fat little cock up her arse while you're out working to put food on the table.

Just my take on it. :shrug

Your take is on this is spot on.

[robertlouis]

Thanks fred, grim and jericho, your thoughts are much appreciated.

As it happens, I still see her from time to time, and we remain good friends. Nothing will ever stop me from asking the "what if?" question, and at the same time I know that I've subconsciously got self-imposed limits about what I will and won't do sexually, after the experience of what she subsequently went through. That's just the way it is.

[Ineeda SM]

A queen in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom?

LOL More like a really hot kisser all the time, and a real slut in the bedroom....I think....no wait....YEAH that's it.:Bowdown:

[robertlouis]

LOL More like a really hot kisser all the time, and a real slut in the bedroom....I think....no wait....YEAH that's it.:Bowdown:

So screwing doesn't give you an appetite? :dancing:

[Birgitta]

Brittany, she is not bad for being honest, but it's not about that. There is an old saying, "It takes one to know one". A nice guy will usually be attracted to a nice girl and vice-verse. Those who are more on the wilder (Bad) side will most likely be attracted to the same type. Nothing wrong with either one, that's just how it is. Not exclusively but typically.

But a wilder type girl will typically not be attracted to the "Nice guy" type. They just don't fit together like a pair of sox that are 2 different colors. Sure you can wear them that way, but it looks dumb. Now on the other hand, there are nice guys who want a bad girl as a fantasy to enjoy. But when the fantasy is over, they usually will go their separate ways.

I am stuck somewhere in between. I want a nice girl that can be a bit of a bad girl at that right moment. LOL.

A lady in the streets, a slut in the sack ;)

[Birgitta]

Thanks fred, grim and jericho, your thoughts are much appreciated.

As it happens, I still see her from time to time, and we remain good friends. Nothing will ever stop me from asking the "what if?" question, and at the same time I know that I've subconsciously got self-imposed limits about what I will and won't do sexually, after the experience of what she subsequently went through. That's just the way it is.

your thoughts about her are sweet and caring, i think you are doing the right thing when you stay true to yourself and treat her in a respectfull way, a lot of woman seem to be uncomfortable with guys that treat them right because they are not used to it and it demands them to change the way they think and feel about themselves...

A nice guy can make a huge difference for a damaged girl, teach her self respect etc, but some people cannot be saved from what they want, i was once like that, it has taken me years to recover....i felt so bad about having to be a boy, self respect just was not possible, it came when i started to live as a woman and im working on it still...

[robertlouis]

your thoughts about her are sweet and caring, i think you are doing the right thing when you stay true to yourself and treat her in a respectfull way, a lot of woman seem to be uncomfortable with guys that treat them right because they are not used to it and it demands them to change the way they think and feel about themselves...

A nice guy can make a huge difference for a damaged girl, teach her self respect etc, but some people cannot be saved from what they want, i was once like that, it has taken me years to recover....i felt so bad about having to be a boy, self respect just was not possible, it came when i started to live as a woman and im working on it still...

Thank you Birgitta, I appreciate your thoughts very much. It sounds as if you have trodden a long and hard road yourself but have come to terms with that self in the most fundamental of senses, and are now sure that you are becoming the person you were always meant to be.

I haven't totally agreed with everything you've said on this and the other thread (maybe, I'm guessing, because English isn't your first language?), but I do admire your spirit and increasingly confident sense of self.

Good luck in the rest of your journey.

[Birgitta]

Thank you Birgitta, I appreciate your thoughts very much. It sounds as if you have trodden a long and hard road yourself but have come to terms with that self in the most fundamental of senses, and are now sure that you are becoming the person you were always meant to be.

I haven't totally agreed with everything you've said on this and the other thread (maybe, I'm guessing, because English isn't your first language?), but I do admire your spirit and increasingly confident sense of self.

Good luck in the rest of your journey.

English isnt my first language and its pretty bad lol, that does make it harder to express myself. I did not expect anyone to agree and im also teasing a lot lol, but thats not always evident because i cant always express it in language when i am sarcastic lol or teasing, i like to tease a lot lol

[robertlouis]

English isnt my first language and its pretty bad lol, that does make it harder to express myself. I did not expect anyone to agree and im also teasing a lot lol, but thats not always evident because i cant always express it in language when i am sarcastic lol or teasing, i like to tease a lot lol

I understand that very well. Very often people who are speaking in a tongue other than their own may well sound blunt and even rude to a native speaker, when they are simply expressing themselves as well as their limited knowledge allows. I've had to explain that endlessly to UK/US colleagues who don't speak the language - lazy bastards!

I speak German and French fluently, to the extent that I can "get" jokes in either language, but I would find it difficult to tell one.

Your English, by the way, is excellent.

[Birgitta]

When i visited here for the first time there was this fight between a tgirl and one of her admirers and she called him gay for it which made me laugh out loud, by doing so you are also making fun of yourself,

Also i am very uhm whats the word, curious and interested in how people really think and feel when all cards are on the table....
I have heard a straight tlover say that he thinks of post op tgirls ad mutulated men, which is really funny, with a dick they are girls, without they are not loool.

I just like to keep it real i guess...

[Prospero]

Your English is good Birgitta - and far better than my Dutch. however I do speak fluent doubledutch (which if you are not famiiar with the expression means nonsense)

[robertlouis]

Your English is good Birgitta - and far better than my Dutch. however I do speak fluent doubledutch (which if you are not famiiar with the expression means nonsense)

I'll second that (see what I did there?) :dancing:

[Prospero]

Yo ho ho - if I were on an an island I'd treasure that (see what i did there)

[robertlouis]

Yo ho ho - if I were on an an island I'd treasure that (see what i did there)

Yep, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on

See what I did there too! :dancing:

[Prospero]

Especially if the island had an infestation of woodworm or death watch beetle

[robertlouis]

Especially if the island had an infestation of woodworm or death watch beetle

I've warned you once.....

[payload4]

Mike Tyson says it best when it comes to being a "nice guy"

:42 sec-:49 sec.......Mike sums it up where why being a nice guy is pointless.... LOL

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[robertlouis]

Mike Tyson says it best when it comes to being a "nice guy"

:42 sec-:49 sec.......Mike sums it up where why being a nice guy is pointless.... LOL

YouTube - Mike Tyson's Funniest Quotes Version 2 - Must See! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu57oIv8SLM&NR=1)

Well, that's definitive at last. If there's one person on the planet who knows how to be a nice guy, it's Mike Tyson. :wiggle:

Taste the sarcasm guys.

[Jericho]

Taste the sarcasm guys.

Tastes more like ear to me! :shrug

[for-ward]

Wow...a bit touchy aren't we? I think what the author, and some of the ladies have attempted to point out is there are some women attracted to dark skin, some to blonde hair, blue eyes, some to bikers, some to the smart silent type...some seek affluence, others security, but there is a lot of women who are attracted to a little bit of danger, self confidence, and a touch of recklessness.

I think your defination of bad boys would differ from most women who are attracted to that type of dude. A loser is a loser...not a bad boy. I know some pretty bad dudes, and you might not know it by looking or talking to them, but trust me...women do. It's not necissarily about physical stature or yearly income ....it's more about attitude.

Don't be so condesending and judgemental about what others are attracted to. You protest a little to strongly. And not to worry...I'm sure there's more than enough women who are attracted to nice guys like you LOL

Your many posts show that you don't know what the definition of hypocrite means. Women DON'T know "bad dudes" from losers that's why self help books are a billion dollar industry. Like many others on here you are clearly delusional and factor in many things in order to justify your hypocritical points.
While it's fine to like whatever type of person you are attracted too, it's ridicoulous to come on here complaining about how everyone "sterotypes people" but then agreeing wholeheartedly about "sterotyping bad boys and good guys". Then go on to say that women know how bad a guy is just be looking at them, sure and pigs fly.

[Birgitta]

Then go on to say that women know how bad a guy is just be looking at them, sure and pigs fly.

I think you are right!!!! I cant always tell a good guy from a bad guy lol, especially not in the t world....and once a man has won your heart, you'r lost...thats just the way it is emotionally for many woman.....

[gsman1968]

I would think that this is the place if a girl wants to meet some buff tatted-up bad boys, plenty of excitement/drama guaranteed and they generally know what to do with an ass:

[onmyknees]

Your many posts show that you don't know what the definition of hypocrite means. Women DON'T know "bad dudes" from losers that's why self help books are a billion dollar industry. Like many others on here you are clearly delusional and factor in many things in order to justify your hypocritical points.
While it's fine to like whatever type of person you are attracted too, it's ridicoulous to come on here complaining about how everyone "sterotypes people" but then agreeing wholeheartedly about "sterotyping bad boys and good guys". Then go on to say that women know how bad a guy is just be looking at them, sure and pigs fly.

And you say this as a man......or woman? I think many of the ladies on here...particularly Britt that would take issue with your completely unsubstantiated opinion, ( the sale of self help books as evidence of anything is laughable) ...but let's ask them rather than let you speak for the finer gender as a whole. A bit arrogant of you...don't ya think? LOL. You're pretty condescending in your opinion of what women can and can't tell. By what authority do you make these wide sweeping generalizations? And instead of spending time reviewing my many posts, just try reviewing this one cause you got it all fucked up. I never used the word hypocrite .....
You jump in after 13 posts and with some pretty hefty charges, yet you're light in the ass on any proof. I wonder why you too seem a bit overly sensitive about the subject? Speaking of self help books...here's one I recommend for you..."The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" Because so far....you aren't one. ( available in paperback on discount) LOL

[Ineeda SM]

A lady in the streets, a slut in the sack ;)

A woman in the streets, and a dirty slut in the sack. I like adventure. ;)


So screwing doesn't give you an appetite? :dancing:

Ahhhh the appetite is there before, during, and after. Only the type of food changes at each point.:-D