tgirl lovers/admirers are gay yes??

[maleforts]

hi all, the title says it all no ifs no buts just any male that has sex in any way with a ts,tv is 100% gay.


ive been seeing and having sex wth tgirls now for the last 5 years or so and loved every minute of it. by far and away the best sex ive ever had. sex with girls is great but gay sex jst blows my mind. i tried telling myself for all that time that im not gay but quite clearly i am as gay as elton john 100%. and i can accpet that now.

was just wondering how many other on here accept that they are gay or still go on kidding themselves that they straight men still. lol

[robertlouis]

For your own sake, best stay away from the thread called self-defeating attitudes, pal.

[jld1]

Who cares what you call yourself? Just live your life and love the people you love.

[Jackal]

You do realize transsexual women are women? I think you might be bisexual, if you are attracted to both men and women. Anyway, being attracted to transgender/transsexual women does not make one gay to answer that question.

[Ryz]

hi all, the title says it all no ifs no buts just any male that has sex in any way with a ts,tv is 100% gay.


ive been seeing and having sex wth tgirls now for the last 5 years or so and loved every minute of it. by far and away the best sex ive ever had. sex with girls is great but gay sex jst blows my mind. i tried telling myself for all that time that im not gay but quite clearly i am as gay as elton john 100%. and i can accpet that now.

was just wondering how many other on here accept that they are gay or still go on kidding themselves that they straight men still. lol

100% gay would be having sex with men, and only men.

[theone1982]

My spider-sense is tingling! I sense that this thread will cause much contoversy and gnashing of teeth.:)

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Speak for yourself....Butthead!:fu:

[Jackal]

Does maleforts consider transwomen not women but men? Does he consider sex with transwomen to be gay sex? Without knowing the answers to this, it is difficult to comprehend his initial (and imo wrong-headed) post.

[maleforts]

ok lets look at the facts as they are. i shall use myself as the example.

tgirls are all born male. i had sex with a tgirl who was born a male, which means ive had sex with a man, which makes me gay.??

[Ryz]

ok lets look at the facts as they are. i shall use myself as the example.

tgirls are all born male. i had sex with a tgirl who was born a male, which means ive had sex with a man, which makes me gay.??

If you're only into tgirls for the dick, and don't care about anything else perhaps you are. Unless you also have sex with genetic woman that would make you bi.??

[robertlouis]

My spider-sense is tingling! I sense that this thread will cause much contoversy and gnashing of teeth.:)

Yep, like I said, after tonight's marathon on Self-Defeating attitudes, this one has just kicked open pandora's box again.

Poor Pandora, nice girl.

[maleforts]

what im trying to say is that i find some tgirls really really attractive and some way better looking than girls. but that i because im attracted to a very femmine looking man. men who drees more as men i have no attraction to what so ever. just like im attracted to certain types of girls and not attracted to other type of girls. have i made myself a little bit more clear.

my opinion if you have sex with a tgirl wheter tv ts post op what ever makes you gay. just because u like femmine looking men does not mean your not gay surely

[maleforts]

and to reinforce my opinion, if you really belive that tgirls are girls when talking about 'gg' do you feel the need have to call them genitic girls. why cant just be reffered to as girls, which is what they are. to have girls labbeled as something differnent from just a girl is surely the acceptance that tgirls really are not the same as girls.

[Jackal]

Tgirls are not men, even if they were assigned or labeled a boy at birth. Gay means you are only attracted to the same sex as you; are you tg at all? If not, then you are not gay. Bisexual if you are attracted to other guys.

[maleforts]

right im with you on that as i like girls and tgirls so im bi.

but if i only liked tgirls then im gay??

[maleforts]

sorry also meant to say not TG myself 33 Y.O male

[Jackal]

and to reinforce my opinion, if you really belive that tgirls are girls when talking about 'gg' do you feel the need have to call them genitic girls. why cant just be reffered to as girls, which is what they are. to have girls labbeled as something differnent from just a girl is surely the acceptance that tgirls really are not the same as girls.


Go look at Paulistano's thread. I call tg women "pretty ladies" or "beautiful women" because they are women! Of course in a website devoted to transsexual women labels like gg and tg women come up and obvious gg outnumber tg IRL BUT that does not make transwomen any less of women. When I have dated transsexuals, they were my gf, not my bf.

[Jackal]

right im with you on that as i like girls and tgirls so im bi.

but if i only liked tgirls then im gay??


But neither transwomen nor natal women are the same sex as you, they are both of different sex and gender....meaning that would make you straight.

[amberskyi]

Spam

[BellaBellucci]

Haven't we had enough troll feeding sessions for one day? :?

~BB~

[maleforts]

i dissagre theres no if or buts here in my opinion you born either male or female and thats it. i find tgirls absoultly stunning and look at them as real girls. but the truth of the matter is they part in the creation of a baby would be to provide the sperm and not the egg. no matter how much they may look or act female, have various treatments and operations to add or remove things, they were still born male. they dna will always be male.

im not here to upset or wind any one up i just want to find and accept myself for what i am. and your opions have been well received. i now belive i am bi-sexual as i like tgirls and girls. but if i was to only like tgirls then i still believe that i would be gay.

but what i am 100% sure of is i am not straight. which for years i kidded myself i was.

[amberskyi]

i love how people are so quick to call us men but physically we are very different from males.im not just talking about the outward appearance but im not sure if you guys are actually aware that after a while our organs (including the brain which started out different to begin with) actually changes and our body starts to function as close to a females as it actually can.while i may not be born a female i am very much a woman.

[addicted]

gay thread

[maleforts]

amber i agree with you tgirls behave very much like a woman. which is why i am only attacted to the very extreme end of femmine guys.

[robertlouis]

One of the things I find intriguing about this kind of debate is the seeming obsession, especially amongst the male contributors, to attempt to define things in absolute categories of black and white. Surely this entire community is about how much flexibility and variety there is in the shades of grey that are available.

And I didn't mean to call anyone Shirley...

[amberskyi]

amber i agree with you tgirls behave very much like a woman. which is why i am only attacted to the very extreme end of femmine guys.

no you dont agree because your calling it an act when its not.if we we're men than other gay guys would be attracted to us.but look instead of debating it why not go join a gay site and be done with it.

[BigDF]

no you dont agree because your calling it an act when its not.if we we're men than other gay guys would be attracted to us.but look instead of debating it why not go join a gay site and be done with it.Thank you, Amber.:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[maleforts]

i didnt been acting in the sense of faking.

[nonnonnon]

obvious

[maleforts]

and it is black and white you either born male or female. just like your either dead or alive, either pregnant or not pregnant. its as plain and simple as that all the above u can disguise in some form or other but the top and bootom when u remove all layers is your one or the other.

[robertlouis]

and it is black and white you either born male or female. just like your either dead or alive, either pregnant or not pregnant. its as plain and simple as that all the above u can disguise in some form or other but the top and bootom when u remove all layers is your one or the other.

Yes, but being born male or female doesn't infer that those states remain absolute, because if it did, neither this thread nor this forum would have any need to exist. Biological identity and sense of self aren't always the same thing.

[ymb469]

To paraphrase ADC, either you suck dick or you don't...

Does it really matter what label you apply?

[Jackal]

Yes, but being born male or female doesn't infer that those states remain absolute, because if it did, neither this thread nor this forum would have any need to exist. Biological identity and sense of self aren't always the same thing.


I guess this guy is unaware of intersexed births or the stochastic labeling of m vs. f at birth in some cases?

[fred41]

None of those things make you gay....but if you're gonna sing "I'm gonna wash that man right outta my hair" every time "South Pacific" comes on...well...then you might have a problem.

[Infern0]

For fuck sake!

[theone1982]

For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none is possible.:)

[jld1]

i love how people are so quick to call us men but physically we are very different from males.im not just talking about the outward appearance but im not sure if you guys are actually aware that after a while our organs (including the brain which started out different to begin with) actually changes and our body starts to function as close to a females as it actually can.while i may not be born a female i am very much a woman.

Very well put, Amber.

[robertlouis]

I guess this guy is unaware of intersexed births or the stochastic labeling of m vs. f at birth in some cases?

You're right of course, but otherwise I think we're pretty much saying the same thing.

When I was at school a friend who had a female soul in a male body couldn't cope with the repressive pressures all around and committed suicide. I've never forgotten that.

[bte]

What a stupid thread.

[giovanni_hotel]

Saying that fucking Tgirls means you're gay is like saying that fucking Buck Angel makes you super-hetero.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6OSMZmN5YQk/TKKVRtQcZNI/AAAAAAAAAa4/ixhvUF95DVk/s1600/Buck+Angel.jpg

I could NEVER get with the dude above, pussy or not. Because EVERYTHING about him screams a MAN.

A girl's 'clit' is the last thing you see when you approach her, and IMO if you aren't attracted to her at all, who cares what's between her legs???

Be proud of yourself queeny, you just cast shade on every girl on this board.

[mtbazz]

I think when it comes to tgirls the lines are so blurred that they can't be readily defined.

When I think of the word "Gay", I think of someone who is attracted to a member of the same sex. If your a male, than that means you find yourself sexually attracted to the male body.

I like tgirls and gg's (admittedly I like tgirls better), and find nothing attractive about the male body. I'll suck tgirl cock all day long, but put the same cock on a guy ? No thanks.

[Birgitta]

Saying that fucking Tgirls means you're gay is like saying that fucking Buck Angel makes you super-hetero.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6OSMZmN5YQk/TKKVRtQcZNI/AAAAAAAAAa4/ixhvUF95DVk/s1600/Buck+Angel.jpg

I could NEVER get with the dude above, pussy or not. Because EVERYTHING about him screams a MAN.

A girl's 'clit' is the last thing you see when you approach her, and IMO if you aren't attracted to her at all, who cares what's between her legs???

Be proud of yourself queeny, you just cast shade on every girl on this board.


One of the best examples you could come up with.

It's bad enough that guys that are into tgirls are suspected of beeing gay by outsiders.

[Bobzz]

and it is black and white you either born male or female. just like your either dead or alive, either pregnant or not pregnant. its as plain and simple as that all the above u can disguise in some form or other but the top and bootom when u remove all layers is your one or the other.

Sounds like somebody is having a hard time coming to terms with his newly discovered (or realized) sexuality. Just relax dude! Unless someone's trying to force their cock in your mouth or ass and you don't want any of it ... why worry about what other people do, or say or feel?

But to answer the question as it applies to you? .... I'd say you're likely 1000% gay. Now you better start moving and get shopping at Bed Bath and Beyond and Crate and Barrel.

There are you happy?

[Blazr63]

hi all, the title says it all no ifs no buts just any male that has sex in any way with a ts,tv is 100% gay.


ive been seeing and having sex wth tgirls now for the last 5 years or so and loved every minute of it. by far and away the best sex ive ever had. sex with girls is great but gay sex jst blows my mind. i tried telling myself for all that time that im not gay but quite clearly i am as gay as elton john 100%. and i can accpet that now.

was just wondering how many other on here accept that they are gay or still go on kidding themselves that they straight men still. lol

Elton John is gay? Who knew?? I'll alert the NY Times immediately about this!

[Quiet Reflections]

ok lets look at the facts as they are. i shall use myself as the example.

tgirls are all born male. i had sex with a tgirl who was born a male, which means ive had sex with a man, which makes me gay.??

so by that logic would agree toilets have water in them , people shit in toilets and Pools have water in them , therefore all swimmers are pieces of shit. Sure this example is a bit silly but it uses your logic.

[Birgitta]

For your information, most of us were born woman, but our genitals and body developed the wrong way due to hormone inbalances in the womb.

[traLika]

hi all, the title says it all no ifs no buts just any male that has sex in any way with a ts,tv is 100% gay.


Wrong. But you're almost certainly 100% gay and it's about time you got used to it.

Listen to this song - it might help:

YouTube - YMCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k)

[Birgitta]

You know...for some people... they simply cannot think otherwise then binary. You are either a man, or a woman, and there is nothing in between.

I once knew a TS girl that thinks the exact same way. She said...woman have vagina's, men have a penis, so what she had to do was get the surgery. After the surgery she found out that this didn't exactly make her a woman. She regretted it... and now she lives as a boy, totally confused because boys dont have pussies....so she might be swinging back and forth between the extremes, because she is not able to think in any other way. It seems kind of tragic to me....

When the original poster falls in love with a woman he is 100% straight...when he falls in love with a T-girl he is a 100% gay. There is nothing in between, period, so he thinks...

But it hasn't anything to do with reality, I think it has to do with personal limitations when it comes to perceiving the reality.

[BigDF]

Wrong. But you're almost certainly 100% gay and it's about time you got used to it.

Listen to this song - it might help:

YouTube - YMCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k)I think we're howling at the moon here, traLika, which is ironic given your avatar which is really great BTW (i've known cats like that one), but it's also possible the OP meant the original definition of the word gay which according to Websters is joyous and lively, to which I reply hell, yes, I'm gay!:geek:

[Jackal]

So if transgender men and women are really just the sex and gender they were labeled at birth (no matter what, even if post-op)...would you say it is same-sex attraction for a guy to find Natalia Ruiz attractive and heterosexual to find Buck Angel attractive? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6OSMZmN5YQk/TKKVRtQcZNI/AAAAAAAAAa4/ixhvUF95DVk/s1600/Buck+Angel.jpg



http://new.groobybucks.com/thumbnails/1274167657/400/free_transsexual_galleries_sex_transexuals_4.jpg

[Merkurie]

After seeing that much of Buck Angel, I don't think I will have to worry about being horny for the rest of the day.

Talk about demotivating.

With that said I would screw Natalia whatever is between her legs, long before I could ever get interested in Buck, regardless what his genitals are.

There is more to sex than vaginas and penises.

[Jackal]

After seeing that much of Buck Angel, I don't think I will have to worry about being horny for the rest of the day.

Talk about demotivating.

With that said I would screw Natalia whatever is between her legs, long before I could ever get interested in Buck, regardless what his genitals are.

There is more to sex than vaginas and penises.


Ditto with all, at least from my POV, especially the bold. Natalia is more woman pre, non or post op than pretty much anyone else I ever saw!

[nonnonnon]

you and natalia sittin in a tree

[Birgitta]

yeah its pretty ignorant to call TS woman men, and their lovers gay.

- respect -

[Mayrah]

yeah its pretty ignorant to call TS woman men, and their lovers gay.

- respect -
:iagree:

[MrF]

A lot of this "am I gay ?" angst assumes that being gay is a bad thing, either immoral or abnormal. I think we have to get past that first. Then the question becomes irrelevant.

Personally, I've never taken it up the ass and I don't care for men sexually, but I obviously like TGirls. So what does that make me ? Well, the majority of society would label me gay, and I'm sure the OP would too. But who cares !

[nosferatus666]

Buck Angel it's a dude with pussy, but it is a DUDE! a ts girl it's a WOMAN, if you have sex with dudes you are ultra gay, i do like ts girl, and I dont't care if I am consider gay because of that, ts woman are more femme than GG, and that's why i like ts girls...It's just my opinion: no we are not gay, lol

[dgs925]

ok lets look at the facts as they are. i shall use myself as the example.

tgirls are all born male. i had sex with a tgirl who was born a male, which means ive had sex with a man, which makes me gay.??


Do you like pussy also? Then you are not gay, but are bisexual.

[BellaBellucci]

Is this thread still going? :?

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/52/Double-facepalm.jpg

~BB~

[Willie Escalade]

..........

[ed_jaxon]

Call me what ever you want

Just don't ask me to leave the bar.

[rockabilly]

Call me what ever you want

Just don't ask me to leave the bar.

You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

[ncc-1701]

successful troll is successful.

[maleforts]

lots and lots of labels u guys put on everything and every body. i love having sex with tgirls not bothered wheter it makes me gay or not i just love it and it makes me happy.

but i never forget that a girl is genetically a girl. wheres as a tgirl is genetically male. nothing or no one can chane that fact. this group is one of the most gulilty i know of putting labels on every thing. thanks for you help it has been soome great research.

[Jackal]

You really do not deserve the company of a transgender woman if you do not understand that she is a woman and not a guy like you are. I pity any who are near someone so disrespectful.

[theone1982]

lots and lots of labels u guys put on everything and every body. i love having sex with tgirls not bothered wheter it makes me gay or not i just love it and it makes me happy.

but i never forget that a girl is genetically a girl. wheres as a tgirl is genetically male. nothing or no one can chane that fact. this group is one of the most gulilty i know of putting labels on every thing. thanks for you help it has been soome great research.

Tell you what, the next time you're with a TS, just tell her "I'm a dude, you're a dude, 'cause we're all dudes!" (Good Burger shout out!) and then you can find out just how long it takes to surgically remove a high heel for your anus.:):dancing:

[Jackal]

lots and lots of labels u guys put on everything and every body. i love having sex with tgirls not bothered wheter it makes me gay or not i just love it and it makes me happy.

but i never forget that a girl is genetically a girl. wheres as a tgirl is genetically male. nothing or no one can chane that fact. this group is one of the most gulilty i know of putting labels on every thing. thanks for you help it has been soome great research.


Man, you are the one labeling others and falsely labeling transsexual women as men and calling them extremely feminine men. No, a fem/androgynous guy like Bill Krutz is a very feminine man, but a transgender woman is a woman. She may have a different life story than a natal woman, but respect her womanhood. Just a matter of respect for ts women, especially if you are dating or intimate with them.

[giovanni_hotel]

lots and lots of labels u guys put on everything and every body. i love having sex with tgirls not bothered wheter it makes me gay or not i just love it and it makes me happy.

but i never forget that a girl is genetically a girl. wheres as a tgirl is genetically male. nothing or no one can chane that fact. this group is one of the most gulilty i know of putting labels on every thing. thanks for you help it has been soome great research.

You're an asshole.

Labels?? Check the title again of your OWN THREAD, dumbass.:ignore:

You keep on fucking/sucking those chromosomes dude.
If the girls you're with are reminding you of men, IMO you need an upgrade.

[rockabilly]

There's nothing wrong w/ being gay , now having said that imo being w/ a tg is not gay.

I look at the pics of the tg ladies here and i see beautiful women , gay men are not attracted to feminine features.

You can't kiss or have sex w/ a chromosome , You can't see a chromosome or fall in love w/ chromosomes.

You see them as they look on the outside and learn how they see themselves on the inside and treat them accordingly. This debate will keep going on and on and on , I can only speak for myself though.

[MrF]

If a transwoman knows she is a woman, then that's it. She's a woman. It does take some time to grasp that concept, though. And it's important for understanding transwomen and having the proper attitude towards them.

Another definition of "woman" is the legal one, i.e. whether you are allowed to list yourself as female on official ID and such. I'm not an expert here, but I think several states in the USA only allow the switch if the person does the SRS, while a few states allow the switch even without. I bet parts of Europe are even more liberal.

Nevertheless, I still don't see the point that the OP is trying to make. It seems pointless.

[CannibalMan]

sex with girls is great but gay sex jst blows my mind.
Why exactly is gay sex better than sex with girls?

[Malik4Tgirls]

:moon

[ohioguy13]

Maleforts I dont think you should try to put everyone in a certain category so you can compartmentalize the way you judge and feel about yourself. In saying im this so everyone who shares this and this with me are that. It really doesnt work like that. People are all different. Dont judge or label anyone other then yourself. Why is it so important to come up with a title for every person on the planet? The answer it isnt. Just be yourself. and to thine own self be true

[natina]

what are hermaphrodites?

are hermaphrodites intersexed?

http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/born-a-boy-raised-a-girl-the-johnjoandavid-reimer-case-in-the-context-of-todays-sex-reassignment-surgeries/


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hermaphrodites - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1TSNA_ENUS394&q=hermaphrodites&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tlif130087395845510&um=1&biw=1345&bih=562&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw)

http://adultdatingwebsitesusa.com/images/kuwemory.jpg

http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hermaphrodite21.jpg



and it is black and white you either born male or female. just like your either dead or alive, either pregnant or not pregnant. its as plain and simple as that all the above u can disguise in some form or other but the top and bootom when u remove all layers is your one or the other.

[natina]

Born a Boy Raised a Girl – The John/Joan/David Reimer Case and Sex Reassignment Surgery

Posted on November 5, 2010 (http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/born-a-boy-raised-a-girl-the-johnjoandavid-reimer-case-in-the-context-of-todays-sex-reassignment-surgeries/) by teacher (http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/author/helthnut/)
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http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcaccry161.jpg?w=107&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcaccry161.jpg)Money persuaded the Reimers to reassign their son as a Female - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female) by having his testes removed and naming him Brenda. Dr. Money assured the initially reluctant parents that after the operation was complete raising him as a girl would be successful and no one would be any the wiser. Watch video The story of David Reimer – (Born a boy brought up as a girl) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhbVFjIaN0)
Money met with ”Brenda” once a year throughout the following years to report on her progress. In spite of growing evidence that Brenda was not adjusting well to her gender reassignment, Money published papers to the contrary. In psychiatric circles to protect Reimer’s identity Money referred to “Brenda” as John/Joan . Money’s experiment became well-known in psychiatric communities worldwide and partly as a result of Money’s publications, a number of infants born with ambiguous genitalia underwent gender reassignment. However many psychologists were unconvinced about the John/Joan experiment. One of these was academic sexologist Milton Diamond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Diamond), who, in a bold move against Money reported to the psychiatric community that Reimer never identified as female, and that he began living as a male from the age of 15.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hermaphrodite21.jpg?w=96&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hermaphrodite21.jpg)Sexual reassignment in the Reimer case is not a gender identity disorder. He was born male unlike than intersex (Hermaphrodite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg" class="image"><img alt="Text document with red question mark.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite)) individuals. Intersex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Hermaphroditus,_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco,_c.18 00_(coloured_engraving)_by_French_School,_(19th_ce ntury).jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg/180px-Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/f/f8/Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg/180px-Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex) is a term that usually defines discordance of the biological aspects of sexual gender. Traits related to the genitalia, such as internal organs, Gonad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonad) tissue, or Chromosome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Chromosome.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Chromosome.svg/250px-Chromosome.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/0b/Chromosome.svg/250px-Chromosome.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome) that are more typical of the other sex, or incompletely Sexual differentiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation) define the intersex individual.Sub-types of hermaphroditism include:

Pseudohermaphroditism Typically a female has a Clitoris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg" class="image"><img alt="Clitoris anatomy labeled-en.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg/180px-Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/c/cf/Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg/180px-Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris) that is greatly enlarged to the point that they are categorized as intersexed. These people are identified immediately at birth as intersex because those with the condition have a sexual organ larger than a clitoris and smaller than a penis.
Simultaneous hermaphrodite (intersex) A simultaneous hermaphrodite (Homogamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg" class="image"><img alt="Stub icon" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg/30px-Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/1/15/Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg/30px-Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogamy)) is a person that has both male and female sexual organs. This definition tends to be misleading since there have been very few human beings with fully developed male and female internal and external genitalia and female breasts. Normally one genitalia is more prominent than the other.

http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/klinef3.jpg?w=150&h=98 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/klinef3.jpg)Some people who are intersex individuals, such as those with Klinefelter's syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Human_chromosomesXXY01.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Human_chromosomesXXY01.png/230px-Human_chromosomesXXY01.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/ae/Human_chromosomesXXY01.png/230px-Human_chromosomesXXY01.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndrome) and Androgen insensitivity syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/1/10/Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome), appear completely female or male without realizing they are intersexed. An intersex person may express diversion from typical XX-female or XY-male chromosomes, for example a sex reversal of XY-female and XX-male.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcapk487u.jpg?w=122&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcapk487u.jpg)Sometimes an intersex person who is born with partially formed dual genitalia prefers one gender over the other. Sometimes they don’t. Their commonality with David Reimer is that the assignment of their gender should be their own choice rather than that of the medical community. Watch video I’m 80% girl, 20% boy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNL47KLLy8&feature=fvw)In effect their message to family, medical doctors and the community is: no cutting. Watch video Hermaphrodite – The Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUu5fBY1BGE)

One of the most difficult experiences Reimer faced due to his increasingly unusual looks and behaviours was rejection from his peers. He became a pariah during his elementary school years. From as early as kindergarten, he was a target for bullying by both male and female. “As walk by, they’d start giggling. Not one, but almost the whole class. It’d be like that every day. The whole school would make fun of [me] about one thing or another.” In his early teens Reimer attended a technical high school. Right away his peers dubbed him Cave-woman and told him, “You’re a boy.” But it was his habit of urinating standing up that caused the greatest problem between Reimer and his schoolmates. The girls prevented him from using their bathroom. When he tried to use the boys’ room he was threatened with a knife. By December, he dropped out of school.
“When I say there was nothing feminine about David” Brian told John Colapinto, a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, “I mean there was nothing feminine. She walked like a guy. She talked about guy things, didn’t give a crap about cleaning house, getting married, wearing makeup…. We both wanted to play with guys, build forts and have snowball fights and play army.”
(http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailca45odc43.jpg)Along with struggling against emotional uncertainty about his life and his innate attraction to females, Reimer made no friends and was forcibly a loner. During puberty Reimer’s erroneous belief that he was a lesbian added to his emotional angst. The David Reimer case also serves to reinforce the scientific hypothesis that sexual orientation is not one of choice. Sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg/28px-Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/5/53/Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg/28px-Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg.png (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/youngr.jpg)is innate, not solely a result of environmental influences although the latter may have some bearing. Watch video Science & Homosexuality: Nature vs Nurture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1u-7jW7opc&feature=related)No single cause for sexual orientation is conclusively proven. Researchers suggest that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, along with biological factors, genetics and the early uterine environment bear significant influence on sexual orientation. I tend to favour the physio-neurological theory myself. I didn’t choose to be straight. I just am. Watch video Gay Twins and the Science of Epigenetics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aUlWjPZVw)
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailca77w8u7.jpg?w=96&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailca77w8u7.jpg)Reimer finally reached a point where he told his parents if he had to visit his psychologist Dr. Money anymore he would kill himself. It was then that his parents chose to tell him the truth about his gender. Surprisingly, Reimer took the news well. It answered a lot of difficult questions and he began to live his life as a male. He did not use his birth name of Bruce. He chose David. Throughout his teens Reimer seemed well-adjusted and was much happier than he’d been as Brenda. Watch video David Reimer Pt 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnb3EwJtsDs&feature=relatedhttp://)

Eventually Reimer met a woman named Jane Fontaine, a single mother. They married and Reimer became both a husband and father. It was during this well-adjusted time in his life that Reimer discovered Dr. Money was still claiming that Reimer’s sex reassignment was highly successful. Money encouraged the medical and psychiatric communities to conduct the same procedures on children with genital deformities or ambiguous genitalia. Most likely it was due to two factors that Reimer chose to go public with his personal experience in an effort to contradict Money’s publications: he was secure within his marriage to a supportive spouse and he was determined to expose Money as a fraud. Reimer took part in public television and magazine interviews such as The Rolling Stone (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/reimer.jpg).Read David Reimer’s interview with John Colapinto (http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm).
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/220px-cheryl_chase.jpg?w=131&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/220px-cheryl_chase.jpg)When released to the publicReimer’s story loosed an unexpected reaction. Intersex people born and reassigned after the publication of Money’s false protocols came forward with their stories. Among them was a San Francisco activist named Cheryl Chase/Brian Sullivan. When she was born Chase displayed ambiguous genitalia with a phallic structure of a size that, if she was female, could be an enlarged clitoris or if she was male, a micropenis. Her doctors assigned Chase as a boy and her parents named her Charlie. But 18 months later, her parents consulted another team of experts. Based partly on the fact that Chase had a fairly normal vagina, this team of doctors reassigned her as a girl. They amputated her phallus and her parents named her Cheryl. After the operation Cheryl refused to speak for 6 months. In 1995 Chase changed her name again to Bonnie Sullivan. In her mid-30′s Cheryl experienced a mental breakdown due to the reassignment of her gender. She made [I]Hermaphrodites Speak! (1995), a 30 minute documentary film in which intersex people discuss the psychological impact of their conditions. Chase advocates a complex perspective of intersexuality, namely that gender difficulties cannot be eliminated by early genital surgery.

Years after Reimer’s public appearances, John Colapinto conducted a telephone interview with John Money, who refused to meet in person. His response to Calopinto`s observation that scientists and psychologists have disproven his book Man & Woman, Boy & Girl wherein he discussed the John-Joan experiment was, “It’s part of the antifeminist movement. They say masculinity and femininity are built into the genes, so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen.” Money stood by his original summary of the Reimer case and dismissed Colapinto’s suggestion that he “misperceived” Reimer’s psychological condition. Colapinto reiterated that significant scientific evidence leaned towards the hypothesis that gender assignment was not as simple as reassigning gender, and asked Money if he was considering making some alternations to Man & Woman, Boy & Girl to which Money replied flatly, “I’ll be dead by then.” Suitably, an ambiguous answer from a man who spent most of his career misleading parents and children about ambiguous genitalia. Money also published a book still available for commercial purchase entitled Amazon.com: Gay, Straight, and In-Between: The Sexology of Erotic Orientation (9780195063318): John Money: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Cxk1s3c3L.@@AMEPARAM@@51Cxk1s3c3L (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcaft71xu.jpg)

As with many family traumas Reimer’s sex reassignment deeply effected his whole family. “My parents feel very guilty, as if the whole thing was their fault,” Reimer told Colapinto. “But it wasn’t like that. They did what they did out of kindness, and love and desperation. When you’re desperate, you don’t necessarily do all the right things.” Reimer could not possibly have forseen the effect his public appearances would have on his brother Brian. Unable to accept Reimer’s openly candid description of his life, and still unable to accept that what was once his sister was now his brother, Brian committed suicide by drug overdose.

(http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/brian.jpg)After Brian’s suicide Reimer experienced a series of unfortunate developments:his marriage disintegrated; he found himself unable to maintain stable employment; he experienced financial difficulty after making a poor investment; his anger at Dr. Money and the medical doctor responsible for his gender reassignment intensified; and his depression returned to haunt him. In May 2004 at the age of 38 Reimer committed suicide with a shotgun.
For several decades provinces in Canada have provided funding for people in need of SRS surgery. However the provinces differ in the amount of budgeting for intersex and reassignment surgery they offer, and also in its priority within the context of Canada`s medical community. Newfoundland, Quebec, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and B.C. currently cover SRS operations. Since 1969 SRS was covered in Ontario until funding was cut by [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Harris"]Mike Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ontario.svg" class="image"><img alt="Flag of Ontario.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Flag_of_Ontario.svg/30px-Flag_of_Ontario.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/8/88/Flag_of_Ontario.svg/30px-Flag_of_Ontario.svg.png (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcabstdwm.jpg)and his Conservative party on October 1, 1998. Read Egale Canada >Ontario Isolated and Alone in Refusing to Fund Sex Reassignment Surgery. (http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&menu=34&item=1091)In June 2010 Ontario’s premier Dalton McGuinty refused to reinstate funding for SRS, although he stated the Liberal party will study and fund health programs for the queer community. Read Province stalls on SRS funding (http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=3&STORY_ID=3317&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=4). In 2009, Alberta, the wealthiest province in Ontario, cut financial support for sex reassignment services (SRS). Watch video Laurie Blakeman in Question Period: Gender Reassignment Surgery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwUFwMRIrc8) In response the Public Service Alliance of Canada petitioned that Alberta reconsider its decision. Read News PSAC urges Alberta to reverse its decision on gender surgery (http://www.psacbc.com/2009/04/20/news-psac-urges-alberta-to-reverse-its-decision-on-gender-surgery/). Petition to the Alberta government to reconsider its decision is located here. (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/re-list-sex-reassignment-surgery-funding-in-alberta/) (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/re-list-sex-reassignment-surgery-funding-in-alberta/)
End Note: Not everyone who undergoes sex reassignment surgery lives a more satisfying life. Read Transsexual lottery winner regrets paying for gender reassignment. (http://www.lotterypost.com/news/139942)
Read Sex Change Regret (http://www.sexchangeregret.com/)

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Born a Boy Raised a Girl – The John/Joan/David Reimer Case and Sex Reassignment Surgery

Posted on November 5, 2010 (http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/born-a-boy-raised-a-girl-the-johnjoandavid-reimer-case-in-the-context-of-todays-sex-reassignment-surgeries/) by teacher (http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/author/helthnut/)

David Reimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer), well known in medical and psychiatric circles specializing in gender Sex assignment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment), served as a ground-breaking study in regard to sexual orientation and sexual identity.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/montwins.jpg?w=150&h=103 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/montwins.jpg)Reimer was born a boy with an identical (monozygotic) male twin. (Yes it is possible for a boy and a girl to be nearly “identical” and to have begun as monozygotic twins in the womb … if you’re interested read my blog Seeing (almost) Double (http://jl10ll.wordpress.com/2010/10/30/seeing-almost-double/)).
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/needle.jpg?w=150&h=93 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/needle.jpg)In 1966, a botched electrical Circumcision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Circumcision_central_Asia2.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Circumcision_central_Asia2.jpg/250px-Circumcision_central_Asia2.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/1/1b/Circumcision_central_Asia2.jpg/250px-Circumcision_central_Asia2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision) left David Reimer (then named Bruce) without a penis. A malfunction in the doctor’s equipment (electro-cautery needle) caused the needle to burn Reimer’s penis from tip to base. The Reimers were left with a dilemma: a son with no penis. They visited several medical experts who assured them that penile reconstruction would prove worthless. The Reimers were at a loss as to how to help David. One afternoon when the Reimers saw Dr. John Money, a so-called expert in sex reassignment, on television they contacted him and brought their son to see him. It would prove to be a tragic decision.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcaccry161.jpg?w=107&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcaccry161.jpg)Money persuaded the Reimers to reassign their son as a Female - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female) by having his testes removed and naming him Brenda. Dr. Money assured the initially reluctant parents that after the operation was complete raising him as a girl would be successful and no one would be any the wiser. Watch video The story of David Reimer – (Born a boy brought up as a girl) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhbVFjIaN0)
Money met with ”Brenda” once a year throughout the following years to report on her progress. In spite of growing evidence that Brenda was not adjusting well to her gender reassignment, Money published papers to the contrary. In psychiatric circles to protect Reimer’s identity Money referred to “Brenda” as John/Joan . Money’s experiment became well-known in psychiatric communities worldwide and partly as a result of Money’s publications, a number of infants born with ambiguous genitalia underwent gender reassignment. However many psychologists were unconvinced about the John/Joan experiment. One of these was academic sexologist Milton Diamond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Diamond), who, in a bold move against Money reported to the psychiatric community that Reimer never identified as female, and that he began living as a male from the age of 15.

http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hermaphrodite21.jpg?w=96&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hermaphrodite21.jpg)Sexual reassignment in the Reimer case is not a gender identity disorder. He was born male unlike than intersex (Hermaphrodite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg" class="image"><img alt="Text document with red question mark.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite)) individuals. Intersex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Hermaphroditus,_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco,_c.18 00_(coloured_engraving)_by_French_School,_(19th_ce ntury).jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg/180px-Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/f/f8/Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg/180px-Hermaphroditus%2C_from_a_Pompeiian_fresco%2C_c.180 0_%28coloured_engraving%29_by_French_School%2C_%28 19th_century%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex) is a term that usually defines discordance of the biological aspects of sexual gender. Traits related to the genitalia, such as internal organs, Gonad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonad) tissue, or Chromosome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Chromosome.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Chromosome.svg/250px-Chromosome.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/0b/Chromosome.svg/250px-Chromosome.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome) that are more typical of the other sex, or incompletely Sexual differentiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation) define the intersex individual.Sub-types of hermaphroditism include:
Pseudohermaphroditism Typically a female has a Clitoris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg" class="image"><img alt="Clitoris anatomy labeled-en.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg/180px-Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/c/cf/Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg/180px-Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris) that is greatly enlarged to the point that they are categorized as intersexed. These people are identified immediately at birth as intersex because those with the condition have a sexual organ larger than a clitoris and smaller than a penis.
Simultaneous hermaphrodite (intersex) A simultaneous hermaphrodite (Homogamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg" class="image"><img alt="Stub icon" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg/30px-Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/1/15/Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg/30px-Vista_Login_Manager_Cropped.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogamy)) is a person that has both male and female sexual organs. This definition tends to be misleading since there have been very few human beings with fully developed male and female internal and external genitalia and female breasts. Normally one genitalia is more prominent than the other.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/klinef3.jpg?w=150&h=98 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/klinef3.jpg)Some people who are intersex individuals, such as those with Klinefelter's syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Human_chromosomesXXY01.png" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Human_chromosomesXXY01.png/230px-Human_chromosomesXXY01.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/ae/Human_chromosomesXXY01.png/230px-Human_chromosomesXXY01.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndrome) and Androgen insensitivity syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/1/10/Androgen_receptor_3-d_model.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome), appear completely female or male without realizing they are intersexed. An intersex person may express diversion from typical XX-female or XY-male chromosomes, for example a sex reversal of XY-female and XX-male.
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcapk487u.jpg?w=122&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailcapk487u.jpg)Sometimes an intersex person who is born with partially formed dual genitalia prefers one gender over the other. Sometimes they don’t. Their commonality with David Reimer is that the assignment of their gender should be their own choice rather than that of the medical community. Watch video I’m 80% girl, 20% boy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLNL47KLLy8&feature=fvw)In effect their message to family, medical doctors and the community is: no cutting. Watch video Hermaphrodite – The Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUu5fBY1BGE)

One of the most difficult experiences Reimer faced due to his increasingly unusual looks and behaviours was rejection from his peers. He became a pariah during his elementary school years. From as early as kindergarten, he was a target for bullying by both male and female. “As walk by, they’d start giggling. Not one, but almost the whole class. It’d be like that every day. The whole school would make fun of [me] about one thing or another.” In his early teens Reimer attended a technical high school. Right away his peers dubbed him Cave-woman and told him, “You’re a boy.” But it was his habit of urinating standing up that caused the greatest problem between Reimer and his schoolmates. The girls prevented him from using their bathroom. When he tried to use the boys’ room he was threatened with a knife. By December, he dropped out of school.
“When I say there was nothing feminine about David” Brian told John Colapinto, a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, “I mean there was nothing feminine. She walked like a guy. She talked about guy things, didn’t give a crap about cleaning house, getting married, wearing makeup…. We both wanted to play with guys, build forts and have snowball fights and play army.”
Along with struggling against emotional uncertainty about his life and his innate attraction to females, Reimer made no friends and was forcibly a loner. During puberty Reimer’s erroneous belief that he was a lesbian added to his emotional angst. The David Reimer case also serves to reinforce the scientific hypothesis that sexual orientation is not one of choice. Sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg/28px-Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/5/53/Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg/28px-Sexes-planetary-sym-dimcolors.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation)is innate, not solely a result of environmental influences although the latter may have some bearing. Watch video Science & Homosexuality: Nature vs Nurture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1u-7jW7opc&feature=related)No single cause for sexual orientation is conclusively proven. Researchers suggest that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, along with biological factors, genetics and the early uterine environment bear significant influence on sexual orientation. I tend to favour the physio-neurological theory myself. I didn’t choose to be straight. I just am. Watch video Gay Twins and the Science of Epigenetics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aUlWjPZVw)
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailca77w8u7.jpg?w=96&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/thumbnailca77w8u7.jpg)Reimer finally reached a point where he told his parents if he had to visit his psychologist Dr. Money anymore he would kill himself. It was then that his parents chose to tell him the truth about his gender. Surprisingly, Reimer took the news well. It answered a lot of difficult questions and he began to live his life as a male. He did not use his birth name of Bruce. He chose David. Throughout his teens Reimer seemed well-adjusted and was much happier than he’d been as Brenda. Watch video David Reimer Pt 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnb3EwJtsDs&feature=relatedhttp://)

Eventually Reimer met a woman named Jane Fontaine, a single mother. They married and Reimer became both a husband and father. It was during this well-adjusted time in his life that Reimer discovered Dr. Money was still claiming that Reimer’s sex reassignment was highly successful. Money encouraged the medical and psychiatric communities to conduct the same procedures on children with genital deformities or ambiguous genitalia. Most likely it was due to two factors that Reimer chose to go public with his personal experience in an effort to contradict Money’s publications: he was secure within his marriage to a supportive spouse and he was determined to expose Money as a fraud. Reimer took part in public television and magazine interviews such as The Rolling Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone_(magazine)).Read David Reimer’s interview with John Colapinto (http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm).
http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/220px-cheryl_chase.jpg?w=131&h=150 (http://jl10ll.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/220px-cheryl_chase.jpg)When released to the publicReimer’s story loosed an unexpected reaction. Intersex people born and reassigned after the publication of Money’s false protocols came forward with their stories. Among them was a San Francisco activist named Cheryl Chase/Brian Sullivan. When she was born Chase displayed ambiguous genitalia with a phallic structure of a size that, if she was female, could be an enlarged clitoris or if she was male, a micropenis. Her doctors assigned Chase as a boy and her parents named her Charlie. But 18 months later, her parents consulted another team of experts. Based partly on the fact that Chase had a fairly normal vagina, this team of doctors reassigned her as a girl. They amputated her phallus and her parents named her Cheryl. After the operation Cheryl refused to speak for 6 months. In 1995 Chase changed her name again to Bonnie Sullivan. In her mid-30′s Cheryl experienced a mental breakdown due to the reassignment of her gender. She made [I]Hermaphrodites Speak! (1995), a 30 minute documentary film in which intersex people discuss the psychological impact of their conditions. Chase advocates a complex perspective of intersexuality, namely that gender difficulties cannot be eliminated by early genital surgery.

Years after Reimer’s public appearances, John Colapinto conducted a telephone interview with John Money, who refused to meet in person. His response to Calopinto`s observation that scientists and psychologists have disproven his book Man & Woman, Boy & Girl wherein he discussed the John-Joan experiment was, “It’s part of the antifeminist movement. They say masculinity and femininity are built into the genes, so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen.” Money stood by his original summary of the Reimer case and dismissed Colapinto’s suggestion that he “misperceived” Reimer’s psychological condition. Colapinto reiterated that significant scientific evidence leaned towards the hypothesis that gender assignment was not as simple as reassigning gender, and asked Money if he was considering making some alternations to Man & Woman, Boy & Girl to which Money replied flatly, “I’ll be dead by then.” Suitably, an ambiguous answer from a man who spent most of his career misleading parents and children about ambiguous genitalia. Money also published a book still available for commercial purchase entitled Amazon.com: Gay, Straight, and In-Between: The Sexology of Erotic Orientation (9780195063318): John Money: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Cxk1s3c3L.@@AMEPARAM@@51Cxk1s3c3L (http://www.amazon.com/Gay-Straight-Between-Sexology-Orientation/dp/0195063317)

As with many family traumas Reimer’s sex reassignment deeply effected his whole family. “My parents feel very guilty, as if the whole thing was their fault,” Reimer told Colapinto. “But it wasn’t like that. They did what they did out of kindness, and love and desperation. When you’re desperate, you don’t necessarily do all the right things.” Reimer could not possibly have forseen the effect his public appearances would have on his brother Brian. Unable to accept Reimer’s openly candid description of his life, and still unable to accept that what was once his sister was now his brother, Brian committed suicide by drug overdose.

After Brian’s suicide Reimer experienced a series of unfortunate developments:his marriage disintegrated; he found himself unable to maintain stable employment; he experienced financial difficulty after making a poor investment; his anger at Dr. Money and the medical doctor responsible for his gender reassignment intensified; and his depression returned to haunt him. In May 2004 at the age of 38 Reimer committed suicide with a shotgun.
For several decades provinces in Canada have provided funding for people in need of SRS surgery. However the provinces differ in the amount of budgeting for intersex and reassignment surgery they offer, and also in its priority within the context of Canada`s medical community. Newfoundland, Quebec, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and B.C. currently cover SRS operations. Since 1969 SRS was covered in Ontario until funding was cut by Mike Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ontario.svg" class="image"><img alt="Flag of Ontario.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Flag_of_Ontario.svg/30px-Flag_of_Ontario.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/8/88/Flag_of_Ontario.svg/30px-Flag_of_Ontario.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Harris)and his Conservative party on October 1, 1998. Read Egale Canada >Ontario Isolated and Alone in Refusing to Fund Sex Reassignment Surgery. (http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&menu=34&item=1091)In June 2010 Ontario’s premier Dalton McGuinty refused to reinstate funding for SRS, although he stated the Liberal party will study and fund health programs for the queer community. Read Province stalls on SRS funding (http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=3&STORY_ID=3317&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=4). In 2009, Alberta, the wealthiest province in Ontario, cut financial support for sex reassignment services (SRS). Watch video Laurie Blakeman in Question Period: Gender Reassignment Surgery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwUFwMRIrc8) In response the Public Service Alliance of Canada petitioned that Alberta reconsider its decision. Read News PSAC urges Alberta to reverse its decision on gender surgery (http://www.psacbc.com/2009/04/20/news-psac-urges-alberta-to-reverse-its-decision-on-gender-surgery/). Petition to the Alberta government to reconsider its decision is located here. (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/re-list-sex-reassignment-surgery-funding-in-alberta/)
End Note: Not everyone who undergoes sex reassignment surgery lives a more satisfying life. Read Transsexual lottery winner regrets paying for gender reassignment. (http://www.lotterypost.com/news/139942)
Read Sex Change Regret (http://www.sexchangeregret.com/)

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CASE REPORT

Hermaphroditism: cytogenetics, gonadal pathology and gender assignment a case report

Hermafroditismo: citogenética, patología gonadal y asignación de género


ND DuncanI; L GabayII; E WilliamsIII; SE DundasIV; N PlummerI; PA LeakeI
IDepartments of Surgery, Radiology, Anaesthesia and Intensive Care, The University of the West Indies, Kingston 7
IIDepartments of Obstetrics, Gynaecology and Child Health, The University of the West Indies, Kingston 7
IIIDepartments of Pathology, The University of the West Indies, Kingston 7
IVBustamante Hospital for Children, Arthur Wint Drive, Kingston 5, Jamaica
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ABSTRACT
True hermaphroditism is a rare intersex disorder in which individuals possess both testicular and ovarian gonadal tissue. A case of true unilateral hermaphroditism presenting with ambiguous external genitalia, right scrotal testis and left pelvic ovotestis is herein outlined. Phallic, gonadal and genetic factors were considered before male gender was assigned. Gender assignment procedures have been questioned by intersex activists opposed to early genital surgery. Western societies have a binary perspective on gender and this leads to a stigma being placed on intersex cases. A multidisciplinary approach to this problem involving paediatric specialists in the field of endocrinology, surgery and psychiatry is necessary, along with educational programmes that promote tolerance in society to variations in gender.
RESUMEN
El verdadero hermafroditismo es un trastorno intersexual raro en el cual los individuos poseen tejido gonadal tanto testicular como ovárico. Aquí se describe en rasgos generales el caso de un verdadero hermafroditismo unilateral con genitales externos ambiguos, un testículo escrotal derecho y un ovotestículo pélvico izquierdo. Los factores fálicos, gonadales y genéticos fueron considerados antes de asignar el género masculino. Los procedimientos de asignación de género han sido cuestionados por activistas intersexuales que se oponen a la cirugía genital temprana. Las sociedades occidentales poseen una perspectiva binaria sobre el género y esto conduce a la estigmatización de los casos intersexuales. Se requiere un enfoque multidisciplinario de este problema, que involucre a pediatras especialistas en el campo de la endocrinología, la cirugía y la psiquiatría, simultáneamente con programas educacionales que promuevan la tolerancia de la sociedad frente a las variaciones de género.


INTRODUCTION
True hermaphrodites are unique individuals with both testicular and ovarian gonadal tissue (1). The term hermaphrodite is derived from the Greek mythological god Hermaphroditos, son of Hermes and Aphrodite, whose body, after being merged with the nymph Salmakis, assumed a more perfect form with both male and female attributes (2). True hermaphroditism falls within the spectrum of intersex disorders, manifesting discordance between genetic, gonadal and phenotypic sex. This spectrum includes masculinized genetic females (female pseudohermaphrodites), androgen deficient genetic males (male pseudohermaphrodites) and gonadal dysgenetics (2).
True hermaphrodites are categorized based on the type of gonadal asymmetry exhibited: true lateral hermaphrodites have one ovary and one testicle (27% of cases), bilateral hermaphrodites have both gonads as ovotestes (35% of cases) and unilateral hermaphrodites have one gonad as an ovotestis and the other as either an ovary or a testis (38% of cases) (3).
Those entrusted with the care of hermaphrodites know that gender assignment has become an increasingly controversial subject (4, 5). In this report, the management of a case of true unilateral hermaphroditism and a review of the literature on hermaphroditism as it relates to cytogenetics, gonadal pathology and gender assignment are presented.

CASE REPORT
A newborn with ambiguous genitalia was referred to the paediatric endocrinology service at the University Hospital of the West Indies, Kingston, Jamaica. Physical examination of the external genitalia revealed a 2.8 cm phallus (normal length 2.7 cm to 5.7 cm) with severe chordee and penoscrotal hypospadias (Fig. 1 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#fig01)). The right hemiscrotum appeared normal and contained a normally descended gonad, but the left hemiscrotum was hypoplastic with ipsilateral cryptorchidism. Pelvic ultrasonography revealed a 2.6 cm x 1.4 cm x 1.7 cm homogenous mass lying posterior to the urinary bladder, with a 1.5 cm superior cystic component. These findings pointed to possible hermaphroditism.



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Chromosomal analysis revealed a 46XX karyotype, despite the phallic structure and right scrotal gonad. No signal for the sry male-determining gene locus was detected. Groin exploration and laparotomy were performed to facilitate gonadal biopsies. The right scrotal gonad was biopsied via an inguinal approach. During this exploration, the left fallopian tube and attached gonad were noticed protruding through the right deep inguinal ring and therefore accessible through the same wound. Through the laparotomy incision, the left fallopian tube could be seen to be connected to a rudimentary left hemi-uterus. Pole to pole biopsies of both scrotal and prolapsed left adnexal gonads were performed.
Histological examination of the right scrotal gonad showed typical features of a testis with seminiferous tubules filled with Sertoli cells and spermatogonia, all lying within loose lamina propria containing Leydig cells (Fig. 2 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#fig02)). The left adnexal gonad however was an ovotestis composed predominantly of primordial follicles in a spindle cell stroma with a solitary focus of testicular tissue at one pole (Fig. 3 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#fig03)). A diagnosis of true unilateral hermaphroditism was made since both a right testis and a contralateral ovotestis were confirmed on histology.



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The phallic length of 2.8 cm allowed for assignment of male sex of rearing in keeping with the parents wishes. A beta human chorionic gonadotropin stimulation test done after the gonadal biopsy showed a rise in serum testosterone level from 50 ng/dL to 235 ng/dL reflecting testicular function sufficient to sustain a male phenotype. The rudimentary uterus, left fallopian tube and left ovotestis were excised, in keeping with the recommended practice of removing contradictory gonads and internal genitalia (6). The penile hypospadias will be corrected by urethroplasty at age one year and arrangement will be made for follow-up by hospital social workers and a child psychiatrist.

DISCUSSION
The diagnosis of true hermaphroditism requires histological proof of both testicular and ovarian tissue occurring in the same individual (1, 6, 7). Ovotestes are the gonads most commonly detected in hermaphrodites, with ovaries and testes following in order of prevalence (8).
The appearance of the external genitalia ranges from normal male to normal female but many have ambiguous genitalia, manifesting phallic chordee, hypospadias and cryptorchidism (6, 7). The non-specific appearance of external genitalia results in many cases of hermaphroditism being missed at birth, only to come to light at puberty when amenorrhoea presents in patients raised as girls or breast development causes alarm in patients raised as boys (3, 6). A high index of suspicion is necessary to reduce the frequency of late diagnosis. To this end, patients with hypospadias and cryptorchidism should be subjected to early laparotomy and biopsy of gonads (6).
The distribution of ovarian and testicular tissue within ovotestes varies from case to case with one moiety predominating and the other assuming a polar or hilar distribution (8). Gonadal biopsies should therefore be performed from pole to pole extending deep into the hilum of the gonad (1, 8).
Having determined hermaphroditism, assignment of an appropriate gender becomes urgent. Traditionally, a multidisciplinary team of healthcare professionals comprised of paediatrician, paediatric endocrinologist, paediatric surgeon and paediatric psychiatrist meet with parents and assign a sex of rearing based on genital, gonadal and genetic factors (5). Phallic size and its potential to develop into a sexually functional organ have long been held to be the most important factors in the choice of male sex of rearing (8–10). Female sex of rearing is the likely choice when phallic length is below 1.5 cm because an adequate and functional vagina can be more reliably constructed in that setting than a functional penis (8).
Gonadal factors are also important in the choice of sex of rearing. Whatever decision is made, there must be adequate functioning gonadal tissue present to sustain the sex of rearing, and gonads producing contradictory hormones should be excised (6). This guided the decision to excise the left ovotestis while preserving the right testis. Malignant gonadal tumours occur in 1.91% of true hermaphrodites, most commonly arising in patients with a 46XY karyotype and in dysgenetic or undescended testes (1, 8, 10). Though the right testis was shown to be histologically normal and descended, the decision to preserve the gonad in this patient mandates long-term follow-up and screening for testicular neoplasms.
A patients genetic sex, as determined by karyotype studies, is not always the appropriate choice for sex of rearing in hermaphrodites. The 46XX karyotype occurs in 60% to 70% of hermaphrodites (1, 2, 8), while 46XX/46XY mosaicism and 46XY genetic males are seen less commonly. Although the Y chromosome predisposes to a male phenotype in 46XY karyotypes, a 46XX karyotype does not necessarily promote a female sex of rearing. This is because the testis-inducing sry locus, normally located on the short arm of the Y chromosome, can sometimes become transferred to an X chromosome during meiotic division of a primary spermatocyte (1,6). Thus 46XX patients may have not only a testis, but also normal testosterone production. Despite evident testosterone production, the sry gene locus was not found in this case, suggesting that subtler gene translocations may suffice to cause development of male characteristics. Mosaic karyotypes such as 46XX/46XY are thought to result from chimerism, possibly from double fertilization (involving two spermatocytes-one X and one Y) of either a binucleate ovum or of an ovum and its polar body.
The process by which healthcare professionals and parents have consultations to assign gender to intersex cases is called the paternalistic approach (11). This approach is based on the concept that children are gender neutral at birth and can be made to assume male or female characteristics through a combination of psychosocial rearing and "nor-malizing genital surgery" in infancy (12). Patients are generally not told about their intersex status during childhood to avoid mental trauma and psychosexual conflicts (13).
Vehement opposition to the paternalistic approach has come from intersex activists led by The Intersex Society of North America (ISNA), a group constituted largely of inter-sex adult patients who have become disappointed with their assigned gender (12–14). These intersex activists have challenged many of the time-honoured practices of gender practitioners, including early genital surgery, which they say damages sexual sensation and disrupts intimacy in adult life (14). Applying standard ethical principles, they propose that genital surgery be delayed until when patients are able to give informed consent (13, 14). They also plead for patients to receive age appropriate medical disclosure, aggressive mental counselling and peer support therapy (14, 15). They dismiss as flawed, emphasis on phallic length and functionality in the determination of male sex of rearing (12). The merit of positions adopted by these intersex activists has been affirmed by the British Association of Paediatric Surgeons Working Party on the Surgical Management of Children born with Ambiguous Genitalia. This group, while recognizing standard protocols on gender assignment, proposed that parents be allowed to consider the option of non-operative management with psychosocial support before consenting to early genital surgery (15).
Newer concepts on the genesis of gender, focus on gender as the product of genetic and endocrine influences on the brain during intrauterine life (13, 16, 17). Workers have come to view gender as an innate quality with three aspects to it: gender role (which relates to dress, speech and gestures), gender identity (the gender of ones self image) and psychosexual preference (homosexuality, heterosexuality or bisexuality) (13) and variation occurs on each level leading to many possibilities (11, 13). Because western societies have a binary perspective on sex and gender (13), bizarre labels are placed on anyone not viewed to be a normal male or normal female. This leads to stigmatization of intersex patients and their families (11). While it is clear that a multidisciplinary approach to clinical care is best for intersex cases, educational programmes that increase tolerance to variations in gender are also necessary.

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[ohioguy13]

that was one chart to many for me

[theone1982]

Damn! This thread turned into a course in biology!:) So when is the essay due from the info we're learning about on here?:) Can we use notes on the test?:):dancing:

[robertlouis]

Maybe, but it's kept the OP quiet for a while.