Self defeating attitudes.

[wendell]

I've noticed on these boards that many seem to be desperate to either avoid notions of homosexuality or attribute certain sexual acts with being gay. What is truly depressing is how many use it as an insult. Who gives a fuck if you're attracted to someone I reccomend trying to sleep with them, not rationalise why it's okay and not gay or weird. It's okay because you want to have sex with a consenting adult that's all the ''justification'' you need.

The other related issue is how may transgendered women seem to have a problem with men who find them attractive. I understand that you don't want to be seen as men in any way [as you in no way are] and so someone who is attracted to you for your trans status could be viewed as latently homosexual a ''cockhound'' seemes to be the epithet of choice. That seems dementedly self defeating to me. I like women with short hair. Not because I want to have a relationship with short hair but because it turns me on. I like women with piercings not because I want to fuck pieces of metal but because it turns me on. I like women with cunts because they turn me on. I like women with dicks...Do I need to go on?

Unlike most males on this forum i'm bisexual and i'm telling all the transgendered ladies on this forum that what I look for in a man is not a woman with a penis. When I sleep with a T girl it's because she's one of the types of woman that I enjoy being with, not as a substitute for something that I can freely get elsewhere.

[altarica]

I agree with you Wendell. Why do a lot of the guys on here deny any notions of their homosexuality? If you're on a board like this why be so uneasy with your lifestyle preferences?
As to the girls who don't like guys who like Tgirls. Well I can understand that to a degree, they want a man who wants a woman, because that is what they aspire to be but hey girls work with what you got. I am the man in any relationship with any type of woman and that's what works for me. Surely it is better to be with a man who knows what the deal is than pull a guy who doesn't and then beats the shit of you when he finds out you have a cock?
I am happy with my lifestyle and my sexuality, I certainly wouldn't describe myself a straight, just as someone comfortable in his own skin and happy with his choices of preference.
Gay Bi Straight, they are just labels, life is more complicated than that.

[Infern0]

TBH you make plenty of good points mate, but it's points that have been made before, it won't change anything.

The whole "I want a guy who doesnt like trannies" is hillarious to me, It's so far removed from reality it's unreal

As for the labels, I am VERY unlikley to ever meet anyone on this board in real life, whp uses, or pays any attention to those labels, so i couldn't care less if i get tagged with them on here.

The only question i would like to know the answer to, If being "homosexual" means this:

a sexual attraction to (or sexual relations with) persons of the same sex


then what are the Tgirls calling you "gay" for liking them considering themselves, hmm.....

[nonnonnon]

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[wendell]

What i'm trying to say though Altarica is that men who want transgendered women still want women. Wanting a woman with a penis is still wanting a woman it's just another attribute like a large breasts or tattoos or a ''fat booty'' if you'll excuse my ghetto. As a bisexual i've had a fair amount of experience in the gay scene and I have never encountered a gay man whose idea of a male partner is a woman with a cock. You only have to look at gay porn to see this is so.

I'm with you totally on the rest of your post though.

[phobun]

bugchasing - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bugchasing)


lol.......

[wendell]

Good attitude and a reasonable question Inferno.

I'm really sorry Nonnonnon I don't understand why you linked to that article?

[altarica]

I know where you're coming from mate. I love women who are very feminine and find that Tgirls are more femme than a lot of real girls, make more effort to be sweet and sexy for a guy and know just what to wear to turn a man on, plus they are easy to get along with, mostly.
I just happen to like women with a cock. My life my choice and call it what you will.

[wendell]

Nice one Altarica more power to you.

[rockabilly]

You like what you like , why worry what anyone else thinks.

Alot of people lead hollow empty lives simply because they're afraid of what others may or may not think of them.

It's really sad.

[BellaBellucci]

Get a few emails from guys begging to 'be the girl' in a sexual situation and you'll know why so many girls don't like 'guys who like trannies.' We want guys who are attracted to us despite our anatomy, not because of it, and if you guys think that's a pipe dream it's only because the truth is that many of you are just straight up fags.

So since we've defined what a 'chaser' is in numerous threads here, I think it would be more precise to say that we transwomen don't like chasers, not 'men who like trannies.' We sick of wormy, wimpy 'men' who are really just gay men in denial or straight out wannabe transgendered (because I'm sorry, but for the most part, CDs are probably the biggest chasers of all and the clothes are just gender camouflage).

I have no problem with guys who like tgirls, I have a problem with guys who like dick and use tgirls as a way to get it because they're too insecure to allow themselves to get involved with the type of person which they really desire... a man. A man who likes to bottom once in a while is fine, but too many are simply desperate to get fucked, and that's just sad. They're really not better than the guys who just like transwomen because they give up the ass. Either way, it's just about sexual gratification and nothing else.

Guys here say that they couldn't get involved in a relationship with an escort yet wonder why the girls make most guys pay. This is why.

~BB~

[phobun]

Get a few emails from guys begging to 'be the girl' in a sexual situation and you'll know why so many girls don't like 'guys like like trannies.' We want guys who are attracted to us despite our anatomy, not because of it, and if you guys think that's a pipe dream it's only because the truth is that many of you are just straight up fags.

So since we've defined what a 'chaser' is in numerous threads here, I think it would be more precise to say that we transwomen don't like chasers, not 'men who like trannies.' We sick of wormy, wimpy 'men' who are really just gay men in denial or straight out wannabe transgendered (because I'm sorry, but for the most part, CDs are probably the biggest chasers of all and the clothes are just gender camouflage).

I have no problem with guys who like tgirls, I have a problem with guys who like dick and use tgirls as a way to get it because they're too insecure to allow themselves to get involved with the type of person which they really desire... a man. A man who likes to bottom once in a while is fine, but too many are simply desperate to get fucked, and that's just sad. They're really not better than the guys who just like transwomen because they give up the ass. Either way, it's just about sexual gratification and nothing else.

Guys here say that they couldn't get involved in a relationship with an escort yet wonder why the girls make most guys pay. This is why.

~BB~


99.9% guys who want to bottom have gender issues of their own.

[wendell]

You say that Bella but sexuality and fantasies are very fluid. I used to go out with a dominatrix at university and pegging was always high up on the list for clients desires. It didn't make them gay though it's just another kink.

Likewise I find it hard to imagine that a homosexual in genuine denial would be comfortable with sucking or indeed being fucked by a penis.

I like dick, and I like men and women. When i'm with a tgirl it's not because there's no men around but because it's the type of experiece i'm after at that moment. Finding men to have sex with is a fuck of alot easier than finding a transgendered women.

Sexual gratification is pretty standard though Bella. How many heterosexual one night stands do you think aren't in it just for the pussy but rather the beautiful mind and personality?

[wendell]

Including homosexuals Phobun? I suppose it's conceivable but i'd be interested to know where you got the statistic?

[rockabilly]

99.9% of statistics on HA are made up.

[phobun]

Including homosexuals Phobun? I suppose it's conceivable but i'd be interested to know where you got the statistic?


Nobody is a homosexual on this website. Nobody.

A transsexual friend once told me that about the 99.9%... probably some hyperbole, but her point was that many guys looking to tgirls to bottom are not very manly.

[giovanni_hotel]

TGs are super-sensitive and many far too obsessed with their parts, IMO.

For me being in lust with tgirls is a very specific attraction, nothing really latent about it.
I think because so many girls on this board are in the sex industry, they only see men who are into TGs in 30 minute intervals, and never really get to know their clients beyond that all too brief physical encounter.

Being into TGs also touches on a level of intimacy one is comfortable with, which is about more than sticking cocks into asses and mouths.

Most girls, TGs and GGs, over time develop a scummy attitude towards men, so I'm not surprised many TGs who escort see trans-attracted men as all the same variation of 'chasers' etc.

[wendell]

It was just you said 99% of men, not 99% of men on this forum.

Not being very manly is scarcely a pre requisite for gender issues though Phobun. I'd say that quite possibly a fair number have some issue but most are just looking for a new kinky experience. Sexual excitement is often driven by taboo and in our society a man being fucked is pretty taboo, probably because of the negatice ''unmanly'' connotations it inspires.

On the fetish scene you get all sorts of weird things. People who like pretending to be babies or animals it's just role reversal and kink none of them [or at least very few] actually want to be infants or puppies.

[BellaBellucci]

You say that Bella but sexuality and fantasies are very fluid. I used to go out with a dominatrix at university and pegging was always high up on the list for clients desires. It didn't make them gay though it's just another kink.

Go back and read my post again. My issue is with guys who want to bottom exclusively. It's one thing to take advantage of a transsexuals genital anatomy once in a while, and I'd argue that not sucking it is like not licking a girl's clit, but none of that excuses the objectification most girls deal with from chasers who, and I quote, 'want to be the girl.'

Sorry, but I didn't go through everything I have so that some self-gratifying asshole who 'doesn't pay for sex' can 'be the girl.' I may top my man once in a while if he asks nicely, sure, but he's not 'the girl.' If I think that's what he's looking for, I kick him to the curb. Bottoms aren't gay, but more often than they care to admit, they're not really men either.


Likewise I find it hard to imagine that a homosexual in genuine denial would be comfortable with sucking or indeed being fucked by a penis.

Please. Men have been experts at rationalizing their sexual desires since the dawn of time. Give me a break!


I like dick, and I like men and women. When i'm with a tgirl it's not because there's no men around but because it's the type of experiece i'm after at that moment. Finding men to have sex with is a fuck of alot easier than finding a transgendered women.

I like men, women, dick, and pussy too, so I can relate to this, however, try being a tgirl. I can't count how many times I've denied men who have wanted me, even when I wanted dick, because I didn't feel they were worthy. In fact, most men aren't worthy, which is why I don't do casual sex. If you say it's easier to find men with whom to have sex, I can't argue with that, but you get what you pay for so to speak.


Sexual gratification is pretty standard though Bella. How many heterosexual one night stands do you think aren't in it just for the pussy but rather the beautiful mind and personality?

Sorry. I'm talking about self-gratification, not mutual enjoyment, and if you want to be selfish with a tgirl, you're going to pay. Period. It is as it should be.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

TGs are super-sensitive and many far too obsessed with their parts, IMO.

:iagree: You got that.

~BB~

[phobun]

Go back and read my post again. My issue is with guys who want to bottom exclusively. It's one thing to take advantage of a transsexuals genital anatomy once in a while, and I'd argue that not sucking it is like not licking a girl's clit, but none of that excuses the objectification most girls deal with from chasers who, and I quote, 'want to be the girl.'

Sorry, but I didn't go through everything I have so that some self-gratifying asshole who 'doesn't pay for sex' can 'be the girl.' I may top my man once in a while if he asks nicely, sure, but he's not 'the girl.' If I think that's what he's looking for, I kick him to the curb. Bottoms aren't gay, but more often than they care to admit, they're not really men either.




What about the guys who get their jollies sucking off the girl's penis? That is a form of submissiveness and akin to being the girl.

[wendell]

I don't know how to quote Bella so each paragraph is meant to correspond with each of your points.

You're right it would be weird if a man wanted to bottom to a tgirl exclusively but, and this is the crux I think most ''chasers'' have never been with a tgirl or been the bottom and so want that experience as they've never had it, or at least very rarely so. In a relationship with regular sex being the exclusive bottom of a tgirl without having gender issues or something would be, I concede a little odd.

I don't know about that Bella if you're in denial about being gay surely sucking on a penis would not be the best way to go about maintaining the illusions. Again in my experience gay men have no attraction to tgirls. Why would they. Surely that should be obvious from homosexual pornography?

That's fair enough if you don't do casual sex but I do so my angle is a little different obviously.

An entirely selfish lover should of course pay, but I think there are plenty of tgirls who enjoy topping regularaly or occasionally [I personally know one or two] and have no problem with their partners interest in their genetalia. Sometimes I want to fuck sometimes I want to be fucked and I don't think one is more acceptable than another. If a man in a casual fling just wants to play about with her cock then that is just weird as it would be if a man just fucked about with a woman's pussy with no other interaction.

[BellaBellucci]

What about the guys who get their jollies sucking off the girl's penis? That is a form of submissiveness and akin to being the girl.

Nah, I don't think so. I mean if they're slobbering over it or they want it forced, then you're right, but otherwise, if they're just trying to please their partner and not themselves, I think it's all good.

~BB~

[wendell]

I like sucking dick Phobun. Whether it's submissive or not depends entirely on the situation. If we're doing a bit of roleplay then definitely yeah but usually it's mutual sexual enjoyment. If i'm expecting [and I am] my prick to be sucked because it feels good it seems only fair to do the same. [I don't mean to make it sound like a chore because it's not I get enjoyment from my partner having a good time]

Do you consider going down on a girl submissive?

[phobun]

Nah, I don't think so. I mean if they're slobbering over it or they want it forced, then you're right, but otherwise, if they're just trying to please their partner and not themselves, I think it's all good.

~BB~


Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, so here is mine.

I think that they want the cock first-and-formost, and are not really into the girl. They are cockbandits who are also gay, not that there is anything wrong with being gay, although cockbanditry is no virtue.

[BellaBellucci]

You're right it would be weird if a man wanted to bottom to a tgirl exclusively but, and this is the crux I think most ''chasers'' have never been with a tgirl or been the bottom and so want that experience as they've never had it, or at least very rarely so.

So like I said, they want an escort, not a relationship. If they don't want to pay it's not because they want a girlfriend, it's because they're cheap.


I don't know about that Bella if you're in denial about being gay surely sucking on a penis would not be the best way to go about maintaining the illusions. Again in my experience gay men have no attraction to tgirls. Why would they. Surely that should be obvious from homosexual pornography?

Right. Openly gay men. Not those questioning their sexuality. Apples and oranges.


I think there are plenty of tgirls who enjoy topping regularaly or occasionally [I personally know one or two] and have no problem with their partners interest in their genetalia. Sometimes I want to fuck sometimes I want to be fucked and I don't think one is more acceptable than another. If a man in a casual fling just wants to play about with her cock then that is just weird as it would be if a man just fucked about with a woman's pussy with no other interaction.

Exactly. But we're not talking about the sexuality of the woman here, we're talking about the sexuality of the man, and if he wants to be in a relationship with a tgirl in which he's primarily the bottom, well he's probably not going to get the most feminine flower in the garden.

~BB~

[theone1982]

Go back and read my post again. My issue is with guys who want to bottom exclusively. It's one thing to take advantage of a transsexuals genital anatomy once in a while, and I'd argue that not sucking it is like not licking a girl's clit, but none of that excuses the objectification most girls deal with from chasers who, and I quote, 'want to be the girl.'

Sorry, but I didn't go through everything I have so that some self-gratifying asshole who 'doesn't pay for sex' can 'be the girl.' I may top my man once in a while if he asks nicely, sure, but he's not 'the girl.' If I think that's what he's looking for, I kick him to the curb. Bottoms aren't gay, but more often than they care to admit, they're not really men either.



Please. Men have been experts at rationalizing their sexual desires since the dawn of time. Give me a break!



I like men, women, dick, and pussy too, so I can relate to this, however, try being a tgirl. I can't count how many times I've denied men who have wanted me, even when I wanted dick, because I didn't feel they were worthy. In fact, most men aren't worthy, which is why I don't do casual sex. If you say it's easier to find men with whom to have sex, I can't argue with that, but you get what you pay for so to speak.



Sorry. I'm talking about self-gratification, not mutual enjoyment, and if you want to be selfish with a tgirl, you're going to pay. Period. It is as it should be.

~BB~

I would agree with you Bella that wanting to exclusively bottom with a TS would be frustrating for the TS because it would seemingly be taking advantage of the "part" without regard for the person. I don't have a problem with men who bottom for TSs and I don't have a problem with it myself, in fact in some situations, it's a real turn on to have that experience, and there are some that I have wanted that experience with, as I'm sure you could see by reading some of my posts!:) However, to me, being a top with a TS is the tops.:) In other words, that is truly what I enjoy in a sexual relationship and what I get off on the vast majority of the time. Being a bottom, to me, is just like a kinky extra thing to do sometimes, like food play, or roleplaying. Even when watching TS porn, the man topping the TS scenes are the scenes that I really want to see, and I'm always disappointed when a scene just has the man being the bottom rather than the TS. I don't consider myself to be gay, and have no desire whatsoever to be with a man. Trust me, I've watched gay porn, and it does nothing for me.:) However, I'm well aware that many people would consider me gay for being with TSs and some would also consider me to be secretly wishing I was with a man and not wanting to admit it. I don't feel that way, but I understand how other people would feel that way about me. I think that people really need to realize that sexuality is shades of gray, with varying "wants" and "turn-ons" rather than just the black and white of "gay" and "straight".

[wendell]

If that was true though Phobun why not just be with a man? Noone who is trying to deny his homosexuality is going to do so by putting a penis in his mouth, particuarly if he is not interested or ignoring the girl it is attatched to.

[BellaBellucci]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, so here is mine.

I think that they want the cock first-and-formost, and are not really into the girl. They are cockbandits who are also gay, not that there is anything wrong with being gay, although cockbanditry is no virtue.

'They,' who? Chasers or guys who just like transsexuals for a multitude of reasons? I think you have to allow for some separation there. Otherwise, why are you here? You don't even like cock. :?

I think guys who like transsexuals despite their anatomy are bi, but not gay.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

unlike most males on this forum i'm bisexual and i'm telling all the transgendered ladies on this forum that what i look for in a man is not a woman with a penis..if your looking for a man get the fuck outta here fag none of my sisters are men so go fuck yourself.

[phobun]

I like sucking dick Phobun.
That's nice.

Whether it's submissive or not depends entirely on the situation.
What I have found is that guy's tell themselves all kinds of things to justify their sexual interests. Usually, none are gay in their own minds.

Do you consider going down on a girl submissive?
If a guy eats a girl's pussy it is not submissive.

[phobun]

If that was true though Phobun why not just be with a man? Noone who is trying to deny his homosexuality is going to do so by putting a penis in his mouth, particuarly if he is not interested or ignoring the girl it is attatched to.


They want the girl's body attached to the penis of interest as a get-out-of-gay-jail free card.

[phobun]

'They,' who? Chasers or guys who just like transsexuals for a multitude of reasons? I think you have to allow for some separation there. Otherwise, why are you here? You don't even like cock. :?

I think guys who like transsexuals despite their anatomy are bi, but not gay.

~BB~


They, referring to guys who objectify cock.

[BellaBellucci]

They, referring to guys who objectify cock.

Agreed 1000%.

~BB~

[wendell]

But there's a difference between seeing an escort and having a one night stand Bella. You don't have casual sex so I appreciate perhaps you feel differently but I feel no obligation to see a female escort when I want to shag a woman with no strings. No strings doen't mean it isn't mutually satisfying though which is why it's important to be upfront with one's desires.

Possibly, obviously I can't know their minds but it does seem an odd way to go about denying it Bella.

No absolutely I completely agree with that.

[russtafa]

You like what you like , why worry what anyone else thinks.

Alot of people lead hollow empty lives simply because they're afraid of what others may or may not think of them.

It's really sad.
Poor sad fuck's are throwing their lives away on a charade.

[BellaBellucci]

if your looking for a man get the fuck outta here fag none of my sisters are men so go fuck yourself.

OMG chill! :lol:

He's saying that he doesn't equate men and tgirls. He looks for different qualities in each. :geek:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

But there's a difference between seeing an escort and having a one night stand Bella. You don't have casual sex so I appreciate perhaps you feel differently but I feel no obligation to see a female escort when I want to shag a woman with no strings.

Because GG's who like casual sex are more scarce and they don't have to deal with men trying to de-gender them so that they can get off. It's a respect issue as well as one of supply and demand.

~BB~

[Yvonne183]

They want the girl's body attached to the penis of interest as a get-out-of-gay-jail free card.


Ha ha ha,, i just thought this funny.

[lisaparadise]

they want the girl's body attached to the penis of interest as a get-out-of-gay-jail free card.,oh thats good lol,i have zero respect for any fag who sleeps with a tgirl and then sleeps with a man its fucking discusting period.no wonder hiv runs rampid now in our industry its fucking losers like you who are too fucking stupid to figure out your a fag,wake up dude stay with the men and leave my sisters alone.

[wendell]

I strongly advise actually reading my posts Lisa and compose futeure messages to me with more civility. I am not here ''looking for a man'' nor have I said or even implied anything that could be construed that way. Address yourself to me like that again and I will respond in kind.

No need to flippant Phobun you asked the question i'm answering it.

Where have you found that?

Why is going down on a woman not submissive but to do so on a man is? That sound like a justification for being a selfish lover.

[lisaparadise]

OMG chill! :lol:

He's saying that he doesn't equate men and tgirls. He looks for different qualities in each. :geek:

~BB~bullshit hes a fag wake the fuck up

[BellaBellucci]

bullshit hes a fag wake the fuck up

I don't get that vibe, but that's just me. :?

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

[QUOTE=wendell;900830]I strongly advise actually reading my posts Lisa and compose futeure messages to me with more civility. I am not here ''looking for a man'' nor have I said or even implied anything that could be construed that way. Address yourself to me like that again and I will respond in kind.

No need to flippant Phobun you asked the question i'm answering it.

Where have you found that?

Why is going down on a woman not submissive but to do so on a man is? That sound like a justification for being a selfish lover.[/QUOTE you fuck men and tgirls isnt that what you wrote?

[phobun]

I strongly advise actually reading my posts Lisa and compose futeure messages to me with more civility. I am not here ''looking for a man'' nor have I said or even implied anything that could be construed that way. Address yourself to me like that again and I will respond in kind.

Did you say this with hands on hips?


No need to flippant Phobun you asked the question i'm answering it.

Where have you found that?

Why is going down on a woman not submissive but to do so on a man is? That sound like a justification for being a selfish lover.

Why are some things considered masculine and some things feminine? That is just the way it is. Besides, there is nothing selfish about eating a girl's pussy.

[wendell]

You think there are fewer gg's looking for casual sex Bella? I think that's certainly the image society portrays but there are certainly plenty who do though perhaps not as many. Certainly in my experience they are not scarce.

I can understand the fear and revulsion at being degendered but I think that's only a problem for transgendered women who are unhappy with their pre op anatomy OR because sleazy unscrupulous men are using them as a male substitute. I think as long as people are up front about their desires it's entirely feasible to find the right partner for every desire.

[rockabilly]

lol @ Gay-Jail

It's like reg jail but more sodomy and the cells are fabulous.

[phobun]

bullshit hes a fag wake the fuck up


The girls here can speak their minds. I like it.

[lisaparadise]

Did you say this with hands on hips?



Why are some things considered masculine and some things feminine? That is just the way it is. Besides, there is nothing selfish about eating a girl's pussy.i had to eat pussy today i hated it,reminded me of the fish market grossss

[phobun]

lol @ Gay-Jail

It's like reg jail but more sodomy and the cells are fabulous.


Absolutely fabulous!

[wendell]

Ah I see Lisa the problem in fact is that you are a bigot. One cannot be bisexual you have to be homosexual...or a fag as you so delightfully put it. For a certain type of person there always has to be someone further down the rung of life that they can ''justify'' discriminating against, go forth and fuck thyself Lisa your puritan ideals smack of self loathing and degrade the human race simply with their prescence.

[lisaparadise]

The girls here can speak their minds. I like it.did he not say he sleeps with men and shemales ?

[BellaBellucci]

did he not say he sleeps with men and shemales ?

I thought he said GG's too, tho. That would make him bi or pan. But you know, who needs labels? :? :lol:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Ah I see Lisa the problem in fact is that you are a bigot. One cannot be bisexual you have to be homosexual...or a fag as you so delightfully put it. For a certain type of person there always has to be someone further down the rung of life that they can ''justify'' discriminating against, go forth and fuck thyself Lisa your puritan ideals smack of self loathing and degrade the human race simply with their prescence.i may be a biggot as you say but atleast i dont hide behind anything like you do fagboy,i know who i am but the real question is do you know who you are?i do your a fag plain and simple so go have your fun at the local bath house spread your cheeks and say cum get me boys im ready daddy.

[wendell]

With my fingers on the keyboard Phobun.

That's just the way it is is pretty poor justification Phobun and smacks of intellectual charlatanism. Because something is considered submissive it is? Because blacks were considered inferior they were? Refusing to suck dick when you're with a tgirlas it's submissive just seems to be a way to ignore your partner's pl,easure and concentrate on your own. Sucking dick is no more inherently submissive than eating pussy...although i'd be genuinely intertested to be proved wrong on that score with some qualative measure of submission.

[lisaparadise]

I thought he said GG's too, tho. That would make him bi or pan. But you know, who needs labels? :? :lol:

~BB~im pretty sure the label is FAG just a quess.what kinda prick sleeps with tgirls and men what a freak.

[wendell]

I do sleep with men and women, transgendered or otherwise. You got a problem with that then as you say you are a bigot. People who revel in the title are always the lowest denominator in the societies they crop up in.

What am I hiding behind you cretin? In my first post I said that I am bisexual and sleep with both men and women. You're problem seems to be that of most bigots,namely that you are simply too stupid to understand things that differ to yourself.

[BellaBellucci]

With my fingers on the keyboard Phobun.

That's just the way it is is pretty poor justification Phobun and smacks of intellectual charlatanism. Because something is considered submissive it is? Because blacks were considered inferior they were? Refusing to suck dick when you're with a tgirlas it's submissive just seems to be a way to ignore your partner's pl,easure and concentrate on your own. Sucking dick is no more inherently submissive than eating pussy...although i'd be genuinely intertested to be proved wrong on that score with some qualative measure of submission.

I have to agree. And I think putting a value judgment on dominant and submissive sexual positions is unfair. People like what they like (unless it gets obsessive or objectifying). I think the only problem any girl should have is with men who are 'relationship bottoms,' i.e. the weaker partner. Personally, I only enter into relationships of equals and with those who like to explore and expand, not hide and repress.

~BB~

[wendell]

How is that freaky to sleep with men and women? Are you perhaps sending these posts from Wazristan?...or the fifties?

[lisaparadise]

I do sleep with men and women, transgendered or otherwise. You got a problem with that then as you say you are a bigot. People who revel in the title are always the lowest denominator in the societies they crop up in.

What am I hiding behind you cretin? In my first post I said that I am bisexual and sleep with both men and women. You're problem seems to be that of most bigots,namely that you are simply too stupid to understand things that differ to yourself. im smart enough to know your a fag now hurry up and catch the bus downtown before the bath house closes

[nonnonnon]

bisexuality does double your chances for a date on Saturday night

[wendell]

I might not have explained my positions particuarly clearly to you Bella but I am 100% with you on your last post. I think it is extremely odd to be in a relationship with a transgendered woman and want to focus exclusively on bottoming.

Not arrogant just decent Standards Bella!

[BellaBellucci]

im pretty sure the label is FAG just a quess.what kinda prick sleeps with tgirls and men what a freak.

Then I'm a prick and freak too, I guess. :geek:

Why is it OK for a woman's sexuality to be fluid, but not a man's? Sort of another one of those double-standards of society, isn't it?

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

How is that freaky to sleep with men and women? Are you perhaps sending these posts from Wazristan?...or the fifties?we dont need your faggotty deseases period,my men are all married and none of them would even consider sleeping with a man what the fucks wrong with you?

[theone1982]

bisexuality does double your chances for a date on Saturday night

Yeah, and if your pan-sexual that's like.....sorry, I'm not good at math.:)

[wendell]

Would that be on the back of the bus you daft fuck?

[BellaBellucci]

bisexuality does double your chances for a date on Saturday night

... and yet I remain alone. :lol:

Although in my case, bisexuality (or pansexuality) became a necessity since I realized I like so few people. For me to eliminate one gender over the other would be to remove 50% of my already tiny dating pool.

High standards? Who? Me? :lol:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Then I'm a prick and freak too, I guess. :geek:

Why is it OK for a woman's sexuality to be fluid, but not a man's? Sort of another one of those double-standards of society, isn't it?

~BB~you cant in on ths one kid

[phobun]

That's just the way it is is pretty poor justification Phobun and smacks of intellectual charlatanism. Because something is considered submissive it is? Because blacks were considered inferior they were?


Don't bring racism into this and try to equivocate between racism and gender norms. If you want to be a hairy feminist and decry how gender norms box people in then go to a witch festival and let your moobs swing braless.


Refusing to suck dick when you're with a tgirlas it's submissive just seems to be a way to ignore your partner's pl,easure and concentrate on your own. Sucking dick is no more inherently submissive than eating pussy...although i'd be genuinely intertested to be proved wrong on that score with some qualative measure of submission.


Implicit in your statement is the idea that being submissive is a bad thing. Submissiveness is often, but not exclusively, the feminine role.

Why should you be ashamed of being a guy who is submissive any more than you're ashamed of being a man who is gay?

[rockabilly]

It's only submissive if the guy looks up and into her eyes while doing it. lol

[lisaparadise]

Would that be on the back of the bus you daft fuck?idunno fagboy can you even afford the bus fare?

[phobun]

this is turning into a great thread

[lisaparadise]

this is turning into a great threadyour welcome lol,but i can only play for 20 more minutes then HOUSE is on and i cant miss it lol.

[BellaBellucci]

you cant in on ths one kid

I'm not trying to win anything. And even if I was, what's the prize? You're not going to change anyone's sexuality, and even if you could, why would you find it rewarding? :?

~BB~

[wendell]

Bloody hellfire it's like a time machine to Salem.

Diseases? Presumably safe sex means through a sheet for you.

Your men are clearly not bisexual you complete fool I am...which is why I sleep with both men and women it's not rocket science.

[BellaBellucci]

your welcome lol,but i can only play for 20 more minutes then HOUSE is on and i cant miss it lol.

HE'S MINE! MINE MINE MINE! :dancing:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Bloody hellfire it's like a time machine to Salem.

Diseases? Presumably safe sex means through a sheet for you.

.huh? lol i just checked but i couldnt find any holes in them,none in my confurter either hmmmmm.

[wendell]

I'm only bringing racism in to this to demonstrate the dearth of logic in the argument it is because it is. How that makes me a hairy feminist is beyond me. Am I perhaps speaking to Glenn Beck?


Nothing wrong with being submisive and you might want to check out the world of B.D.S.M. before assigning submission to gender.

There's nothing to be ashamed of for either of those things.

I'd be interested still to know why sucking dick is more inherently submissive than eating pussy.

[lisaparadise]

HE'S MINE! MINE MINE MINE! :dancing:

~BB~i know but we can share right?after all were all fags lol

[BellaBellucci]

i know but we can share right?after all were all fags lol

Yes, I guess I can share my fag with you, you fag. As long as you share your faggy ass too. :fuckin:


Nothing wrong with being submisive and you might want to check out the world of B.D.S.M. before assigning submission to gender.

I'd be interested still to know why sucking dick is more inherently submissive than eating pussy.

I was thinking this same thing.

~BB~

[wendell]

It gets better you equate bisexuality now with being a poverty stricken ''fag''

Not only that but ''fag'' are spreaders of diseases to be avoided at all cost?

Your views shame humanity.

[lisaparadise]

Nothing wrong with being submisive and you might want to check out the world of B.D.S.M. before assigning submission to gender.
.wait a minute not only do you call me a biggot but your worse oh man your pretty slow there slick even after your mistress tells you again and again suck his cock fag suck that cock and mistress is pushing your face in his ass come on fag suck his ass and after all that you still cant admit your a fag jeeeeeeeeeeez

[lisaparadise]

Yes, I guess I can share my fag with you, you fag. As long as you share your faggy ass too. :fuckin:

~BB~ i love you lol

[lisaparadise]

It gets better you equate bisexuality now with being a poverty stricken ''fag''

Not only that but ''fag'' are spreaders of diseases to be avoided at all cost?

Your views shame humanity.you gotta be brittish lol poor bastard lol

[BellaBellucci]

wait a minute not only do you call me a biggot but your worse oh man your pretty slow there slick even after your mistress tells you again and again suck his cock fag suck that cock and mistress is pushing your face in his ass come on fag suck his ass and after all that you still cant admit your a fag jeeeeeeeeeeez

Now you have a point. In that circumstance, the 'beard' is the Domme 'forcing' a man to do something he 'doesn't want to do.'

As if. :geek:

~BB~

[wendell]

What? Do you know anything about B.D.S.M.? Do you know anything about sexualities other than your own? Is English perhaps not your first language?

[Quiet Reflections]

Doesn't pretty much every girl in the biz sleep with TG and men in their films, some even GG's or all three in one scene.Are they spreading disease too or does that not count.

[amberskyi]

I'm only bringing racism in to this to demonstrate the dearth of logic in the argument it is because it is. How that makes me a hairy feminist is beyond me. Am I perhaps speaking to Glenn Beck?


Nothing wrong with being submisive and you might want to check out the world of B.D.S.M. before assigning submission to gender.

There's nothing to be ashamed of for either of those things.

I'd be interested still to know why sucking dick is more inherently submissive than eating pussy.

suck my dick like a straight man ;) lol

[lisaparadise]

What? Is English perhaps not your first language?wtf?thats my line lol

[BellaBellucci]

i love you lol

http://www.la-foodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/faggots.jpg

~BB~

[nonnonnon]

this thread is darksided
YouTube - She&#39;s Not A Christian (The God Warrior Remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BJRNGnROI)

[lisaparadise]

suck my dick like a straight man ;) lolroflmfao.

[wendell]

She'd have a point if that was A something I did and B was something I did exclusively.

I'm both British and English. You ''gotta'' be a complete twonk.

[phobun]

I'm only bringing racism in to this to demonstrate the dearth of logic in the argument it is because it is. How that makes me a hairy feminist is beyond me. Am I perhaps speaking to Glenn Beck?

I doubt you have ever even watched the Glenn Beck show.



Nothing wrong with being submisive and you might want to check out the world of B.D.S.M. before assigning submission to gender.

Most people don't do BDSM. I said submission is often, but not exclusively, a feminine thing. Am I wrong?



There's nothing to be ashamed of for either of those things.

Why are you afraid of being perceived as gay by the girls?



I'd be interested still to know why sucking dick is more inherently submissive than eating pussy.

I think it is, but I could be wrong.

[lisaparadise]

http://www.la-foodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/faggots.jpg

~BB~wtf?they dont sell that stuff in canada,only in .L.A. i gotta get down there lol

[wendell]

:)Heh heh Ambersky.

[lisaparadise]

I'm both British and English. You ''gotta'' be a complete twonk.what the fuck is a twonk?i quess its better then being a twink lol

[amberskyi]

:)Heh heh Ambersky.

sorry..im kinda horny lol

[BellaBellucci]

wtf?they dont sell that stuff in canada,only in .L.A. i gotta get down there lol

Actually, I think they're British. :lol:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Actually, I think they're British. :lol:

~BB~shocks the hell outta me lol i just got one question,,,what did they do with the rest of the sheep?

[BellaBellucci]

shocks the hell outta me lol i just got one question,,,what did they do with the rest of the sheep?

Naturally, they fucked them. You know those faggy faggot farmers. They'll stick their dicks into anything. :whistle:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

99.9% guys who want to bottom have gender issues of their own.


Dr. Ruth to the rescue with air tight, indisputable facts...99.9 ?? Why not just say "all" ? Where have you done this research to warrant that kind of certainty ...Johns Hopkins? .....or are you again trying to project your hang ups and insecurities....?
I'll bet you that one of the ladies on here that escorts and normally tops dudes will tell you you're full of shit ! FAIL as usual.
LMAO

[wendell]

Is that tacit confirmation Phobun?

It is often perceived as a feminine thing. Being and being perceived are vastly different.


Why am I ashamed at being perceived as gay by the girls? I'm not i'm outraged to have my personal sexuality mocked and denigrated as invalid due to the sexual inexperience of Lisa. Being told you are a disease spreading fag for sleeping with men and women and putting such a view in context is scarcely equivalent to being ashamed of homosexuality in any capacity.

You think it is because it is perceived to be. As there is no way to qualatively measure it wouldn't it be wiser to assume without evidence that rather than one being submissive and the other not that the difference is entirely contrived and therfore probably worth disregarding?

[wendell]

Never apologise for being horny Amber...and as if i'd be offended anyway!

[wendell]

Think of it as shorthand for bigoted fool Lisa. Again why would being a Twink be bad anyway? Who actually uses that as an insult? How old are you? Your views seem to come straight from the dark ages.

[Yvonne183]

Dr. Ruth to the rescue with air tight, indisputable facts...99.9 ?? Why not just say "all" ? Where have you done this research to warrant that kind of certainty ...Johns Hopkins? .....or are you again trying to project your hang ups and insecurities....?
I'll bet you that one of the ladies on here that escorts and normally tops dudes will tell you you're full of shit ! FAIL as usual.
LMAO


Sometimes as an escort,, one doesn't always have the option to choose the type of sex is performed. For the girls that can choose which sex acts they perform,, all the love to ya. But some girls are not as fortunate and being desperate means having to do things not of their choosing.
And I guess some girls choose to top men but I have no statistics,, I don't read all that much to know about statistics and science and math,, well,, you know,, educated stuff.

[lisaparadise]

Naturally, they fucked them. You know those faggy faggot farmers. They'll stick their dicks into anything. :whistle:

~BB~damn i thought the rubber boots thing was a myth?boy was i wrong.

[BellaBellucci]

Think of it as shorthand for bigoted fool Lisa. Again why would being a Twink be bad anyway? Who actually uses that as an insult? How old are you? Your views seem to come straight from the dark ages.

Because twinks are irritating as all hell, and frankly, a feminine man doesn't have much value in society. He has neither the aesthetic beauty or feminine disposition of a TS or GG nor the ability to reproduce of a GG. He also doesn't generally have the physical strength or male privilege of a straight man. So what does he have to offer exactly except a 'good time?' :lol:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

Sometimes as an escort,, one doesn't always have the option to choose the type of sex is performed. For the girls that can choose which sex acts they perform,, all the love to ya. But some girls are not as fortunate and being desperate means having to do things not of their choosing.
And I guess some girls choose to top men but I have no statistics,, I don't read all that much to know about statistics and science and math,, well,, you know,, educated stuff.

that's true , but we all know some ladies on here that if you seek them out...you better be prepared. LOL I wasn't speaking specifically about the desperate ones..but I'm sure they too have an opinion on the 99.99% Ivory Snow rule ! LOL

[wendell]

Ha! Ha! I shall try that line next time I want one Bella come on sweetheart suck it... after all there's no procreating or societal validity for you:)

[lisaparadise]

Think of it as shorthand for bigoted fool Lisa. Again why would being a Twink be bad anyway? Who actually uses that as an insult? How old are you? Your views seem to come straight from the dark ages.lol,dude ya know im just messin with ya lol chill i needed some entertainment till HOUSE was on lol

[phobun]

Dr. Ruth to the rescue with air tight, indisputable facts...99.9 ?? Why not just say "all" ? Where have you done this research to warrant that kind of certainty ...Johns Hopkins? .....or are you again trying to project your hang ups and insecurities....?
I'll bet you that one of the ladies on here that escorts and normally tops dudes will tell you you're full of shit ! FAIL as usual.
LMAO


Go back and read what a wrote in follow-up dipshit.

[Yvonne183]

that's true , but we all know some ladies on here that if you seek them out...you better be prepared. LOL I wasn't speaking specifically about the desperate ones..but I'm sure they too have an opinion on the 99.99% Ivory Snow rule ! LOL

I know you didn't specifically say about being desperate. I was just adding my thoughts to your post, sort of my extension to your words. Sorry, lol

[theone1982]

Again, can't we all just get along?:):):)

[wendell]

Ah if you weren't being serious then my apologies my sarcasm detector was obviously not finely attuned today. Even the British can occasionally fail to pick it up, particualry in a textual medium.

[phobun]

Is that tacit confirmation Phobun?

It is often perceived as a feminine thing. Being and being perceived are vastly different.


Why am I ashamed at being perceived as gay by the girls? I'm not i'm outraged to have my personal sexuality mocked and denigrated as invalid due to the sexual inexperience of Lisa. Being told you are a disease spreading fag for sleeping with men and women and putting such a view in context is scarcely equivalent to being ashamed of homosexuality in any capacity.

You think it is because it is perceived to be. As there is no way to qualatively measure it wouldn't it be wiser to assume without evidence that rather than one being submissive and the other not that the difference is entirely contrived and therfore probably worth disregarding?


I'm sorry, but you write in run-on sentences. Please use readable English.

[wendell]

You've had no problems so far Phobun.

Each paragraph responds to one of your points, in order I don't know how to quote people's posts.

[lisaparadise]

Ah if you weren't being serious then my apologies my sarcasm detector was obviously not finely attuned today. Even the British can occasionally fail to pick it up, particualry in a textual medium.im gay and proud of it if ya call me a fag who really gives a fuck right?its just a name lol never ever take what people right on the net seriously lol

[BellaBellucci]

I'm sure they too have an opinion on the 99.99% Ivory Snow rule ! LOL

You mean 99.44%? ;)

http://meador.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ivory.jpg?w=314&h=267

I use Dove White myself.


im gay and proud of it

Wait. What?!

~BB~

[phobun]

You've had no problems so far Phobun.

Each paragraph responds to one of your points, in order I don't know how to quote people's posts.


Your previous post was full of run-on sentences. Go back and read your previous post. It is full of run-on sentences that don't make sense. Use readable English.

[onmyknees]

You mean 99.44%? ;)

http://meador.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ivory.jpg?w=314&h=267

I use Dove White myself.

~BB~


Exactly. Marylin Chambers kinda shattered that whole pure thing...didn't she??????? which was my point. xo

[wendell]

It is readable English. Presumably what you mean is you don't have a rebuttal so will pretend that the language is beyond your comprehension. If you're genuinely having difficulty then my apologies because I can't make it clearer than it is.

[theone1982]

I'm posting this because Rob Halford is gay, and he's awesome!:) He's also British, which is relevant to this thread right? Come on, wouldn't you go gay for Halford?!:) Those of you who know who Halford is, are awesome!:) Sorry, just wanted to add a little humor to this thread, very little.:)

[BellaBellucci]

I'm posting this because Rob Halford is gay, and he's awesome!:) He's also British, which is relevant to this thread right? Come on, wouldn't you go gay for Halford?!:) Those of you who know who Halford is, are awesome!:) Sorry, just wanted to add a little humor to this thread, very little.:)

I don't think Dino appreciates you posting pics of his boyfriend. :ignore:

~BB~

[wendell]

Never apologise for bringing Halford into a discussion The One!

[wendell]

Infact. having thought about it, I think there is a case to be made that you should apologise for not introducing him earlier.

[theone1982]

Alright, Halford fans!:) Monday night and the Priest is back, oh yeah!!!:)

[rockabilly]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0902/i-am-freddie-mercury-demotivational-poster-1234143935.gif

[onmyknees]

I don't think Dino appreciates you posting pics of his boyfriend. :ignore:

~BB~

oh my....and I thought you two would never stop with the sweet nothings !!!!!!!!!! LMAO

[Dino Velvet]

I don't think Dino appreciates you posting pics of his boyfriend. :ignore:

~BB~

My boyfriend? You were the one that reached in with your wiener and hit his oversized senior citizen prosty. Ole Rob hit one of his signature high notes sounding like the beginning of Screaming For Vengeance.

Rob leaves no doubt with this song.

YouTube - Halford - Locked and Loaded ( rare ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr93QJB_2cg)

[BellaBellucci]

My boyfriend? You were the one that reached in with your wiener and hit his oversized senior citizen prosty. Ole Rob hit one of his signature high notes sounding like the beginning of Screaming For Vengeance.

Rob leaves no doubt with this song.

YouTube - Halford - Locked and Loaded ( rare ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr93QJB_2cg)

Is he a bottom? What a fag! ;)

~BB~

[Dino Velvet]

im gay and proud of it if ya call me a fag who really gives a fuck right?its just a name lol never ever take what people right on the net seriously lol

You see yourself as a gay man? Really?

[theone1982]

My boyfriend? You were the one that reached in with your wiener and hit his oversized senior citizen prosty. Ole Rob hit one of his signature high notes sounding like the beginning of Screaming For Vengeance.

Rob leaves no doubt with this song.

YouTube - Halford - Locked and Loaded ( rare ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr93QJB_2cg)


Is he a bottom? What a fag! ;)

~BB~

I think the answer to that is within the song "A Touch of Evil" where Rob screams "you're possessing meeeeeeee!" :):dancing:

[giovanni_hotel]

Anyone who 'receives' during a sexual encounter is assuming a passive, submissive role.

That applies to bottoming or being sucked off.

There's a reason why it was considered offensive to a generation of men for a woman to be on top during intercourse, because the woman was assuming the 'dominant' role.

All intimate relationships are about negotiating the wants/desires of your partner against your own; no one in an adult relationship is about 'me' all the time.

Sometimes you do what makes your partner happy, putting yourself in the secondary role - submit - submission.

Some folks around here are like really, REALLY old fashioned.

[nonnonnon]

__________

[amberskyi]

Anyone who 'receives' during a sexual encounter is assuming a passive, submissive role.

That applies to bottoming or being sucked off.

There's a reason why it was considered offensive to a generation of men for a woman to be on top during intercourse, because the woman was assuming the 'dominant' role.

All intimate relationships are about negotiating the wants/desires of your partner against your own; no one in an adult relationship is about 'me' all the time.

Sometimes you do what makes your partner happy, putting yourself in the secondary role - submit - submission.

Some folks around here are like really, REALLY old fashioned.
whats wrong with not wanting a submissive man?

[phobun]

__________


lol.......

[phobun]

whats wrong with not wanting a submissive man?


Nothing. It means you're a normal woman.

[wendell]

Oh good grief Phobun, honestly how old are you?

[runningdownthatdream]

Anyone who 'receives' during a sexual encounter is assuming a passive, submissive role.

That applies to bottoming or being sucked off.

There's a reason why it was considered offensive to a generation of men for a woman to be on top during intercourse, because the woman was assuming the 'dominant' role.

All intimate relationships are about negotiating the wants/desires of your partner against your own; no one in an adult relationship is about 'me' all the time.

Sometimes you do what makes your partner happy, putting yourself in the secondary role - submit - submission.

Some folks around here are like really, REALLY old fashioned.

Finally, someone who isn't over-thinking sex! It's really just about the pleasure - physical or emotional - and what's wrong with doing what you have to do to get off and get your partner off?!?! All the other Freudian and/or Jungian dissection of a basic human function is why the Germans and the Japanese are so damn deviant!

[phobun]

Oh good grief Phobun, honestly how old are you?


Early 30's. But what does age have to do with anything?

[phobun]

Finally, someone who isn't over-thinking sex! It's really just about the pleasure - physical or emotional - and what's wrong with doing what you have to do to get off and get your partner off?!?! All the other Freudian and/or Jungian dissection of a basic human function is why the Germans and the Japanese are so damn deviant!


Exactly! A hole's-a-hole's-a-hole.... whether man, woman, in-betweener, tree, apple pie, muffler. WHO CARES!!!???!!!

[wendell]

Because your views on sexuality seem firmly rooted in an earlier age. There is nothing that is not normal in being submissive, switch or dominant or indeed any other point on the spectrum. What is normal is what a consenting adult wants. The ones who tend to think differently are those christing awful Gor types who think that stick wolf somewhere in their name and talk about how loose people's morals are today.

[phobun]

Because your views on sexuality seem firmly rooted in an earlier age. There is nothing that is not normal in being submissive, switch or dominant or indeed any other point on the spectrum. What is normal is what a consenting adult wants. The ones who tend to think differently are those christing awful Gor types who think that stick wolf somewhere in their name and talk about how loose people's morals are today.


Whatever floats your boat.

[wendell]

Well that's something I can get on board with.

[robertlouis]

Fuck! 145 posts in a single thread in 6 hours.

There's the proof that Monday night is always shit on telly.....

[Jericho]

Again, can't we all just get along?:):):)


Not this side of hell freezing over! :shrug

[Skunch]

As much as I enjoy anal stimulation, it seems unlikely to me that I would find a trans-woman interested in mutual sex.

I mean really, if someone wants to be a woman so badly that they decide to transition, what are the chances that they what to plow some guys ass?

Obviously, very low.

:violin

[tsnajwa]

As much as I enjoy anal stimulation, it seems unlikely to me that I would find a trans-woman interested in mutual sex.

I mean really, if someone wants to be a woman so badly that they decide to transition, what are the chances that they what to plow some guys ass?

Obviously, very low.

:violin
umm if you're THE skunch skunch with the hot sideburns i'd plow you :3

[Skunch]

umm if you're THE skunch skunch with the hot sideburns i'd plow you :3

Oooooh- Where do you know me from?

[tsnajwa]

Oooooh- Where do you know me from?

from 7chan. the internets is small world yknow :3