To Be A Transsexual You Must Be On Hormones

[Dino Velvet]

Please delete thread

[innocentbychoice]

I can't answer that but I want to read the girls' opinions. I mean, I guess a 20 something girl can pull that off (like TS Jesse) but what happens when they get older? All I can imagine is the testosterone kicking in, the hair starts falling, it starts coming out of weird places (ears, back, nose) and they might look like old men with boobs. Does any of you know any mature transwoman who was never on hormones?

[Dino Velvet]

I can't answer that but I want to read the girls' opinions. I mean, I guess a 20 something girl can pull that off (like TS Jesse) but what happens when they get older? All I can imagine is the testosterone kicking in, the hair starts falling, it starts coming out of weird places (ears, back, nose) and they might look like old men with boobs. Does any of you know any mature transwoman who was never on hormones?

I wouldn't mind hearing them speak on it. It's a sensitive issue and I ended up feeling it wasn't my place to start the thread. I felt a little queezy right after I hit the send button.

[SunshyneMonroe]

true

[amberskyi]

as long as she knows shes a woman.everything else comes together in the end

[Carissa00031]

as long as she knows shes a woman.everything else comes together in the end

I agree with that....I made the decision to transition later in my life because of many factors....mainly to take care of my dad before he passed away & helping my mom out financially made me transition in 8/2008 at the age of 43....I am going to be 46 in 2 months & now trying to make up for all the years I lost because I had to be there for my family..I am blessed to have a good job with the Army as a contractor & happy many of my friends accepted me.....it is never too late to pursue to who you are.....I am proof of that.....I hope this post can help others who are in limbo get some hope that it is possible to be who you are.....may each girl be blessed with their journey & God bless, take care....

[Infern0]

well, imo you are what you are in your head as much as anything else.

but there is a difference between a man in drag and a transexual too.

its a grey area, im not voting.

[SunshyneMonroe]

I agree with that....I made the decision to transition later in my life because of many factors....mainly to take care of my dad before he passed away & helping my mom out financially made me transition in 8/2008 at the age of 43....I am going to be 46 in 2 months & now trying to make up for all the years I lost because I had to be there for my family..I am blessed to have a good job with the Army as a contractor & happy many of my friends accepted me.....it is never too late to pursue to who you are.....I am proof of that.....I hope this post can help others who are in limbo get some hope that it is possible to be who you are.....may each girl be blessed with their journey & God bless, take care....

i have seen ur pics on fb u look great for starting at 43 sis 2 thumbs up!!

[Carissa00031]

i have seen ur pics on fb u look great for starting at 43 sis 2 thumbs up!!


Appreciate the compliment.....you look like a genetic female when I viewed your FB photos.....the blessing to transition young as you did...I just wished I did sooner, but my family needed me first....now I concentrate on me & I wish you well with the rest of your journey too....good luck sis xoxo

[Carissa00031]

yes you are completely stunning! im a little shocked.

Who? To me, all the girls are beautiful.....I feel bad for the ones who are not as blessed, but it takes guts to go out to be who you are......

[Miss Fagina]

no to be transsexual technically all you have to be is DIAGNOSED

That is really like saying most kathoeys (ladyboys), tranvetis (Brazilian tgs), etc would not be transsexuals because they don't have a psychiatrist telling them they are so... this is of course not true.

On a side note, transsexual is what you do, not what you are. Anyone who lives as a woman 24/7 and wants to be accepted and respected as a woman is a transsexual to me.

[innocentbychoice]

That is really like saying most kathoeys (ladyboys), tranvetis (Brazilian tgs), etc would not be transsexuals because they don't have a psychiatrist telling them they are so... this is of course not true.

Actually, "travesti" means transvestite or crossdresser not transsexual.

[the_corner]

Actually, "travesti" means transvestite or crossdresser not transsexual.

Thats all semantics. Some of the "travesti" girls consider themselves "travestis" while they take hormones and have surgeries... why? For many of them transsexual is the term used only when post-op. Basically... pre-op = travesti.... post-op = transsexual.

For all I know, the pre-op, post-op terminology is mostly used only in english.

[LibertyHarkness]

false ...

many girls are unable to take hormone medication due to medical issues .. does this make them less of a woman .. of course it doesnt ...

Hormones on their own dont make a person a female, much like having a pair of boobs dont make you a female .. its a combination of things, lifestyle, most importantly how you live your life ...

Though from a Technical/Legal point of view its all about when your officaly diagnosed ..

[Infern0]

false ...

many girls are unable to take hormone medication due to medical issues .. does this make them less of a woman .. of course it doesnt ...

Hormones on their own dont make a person a female, much like having a pair of boobs dont make you a female .. its a combination of things, lifestyle, most importantly how you live your life ...

Though from a Technical/Legal point of view its all about when your officaly diagnosed ..

aye, it's a state of mind as much as anything else.

[LibertyHarkness]

but also remember some countries dont recognise TS or have anything to help them ... some of the more 3rd world countries compared to say usa/england/europe...i am unsure about thailand i think they do have something to help transsexuals i will ask my dr when i am in bangkok ina few months .

[LibertyHarkness]

yes iran does but its more forced upon the people ... iran doesnt recognise homosexuality and is punishible by death ... so they tend to give people a choice to either change their gender or get killed :( thats what i read on some news sites anyway

[Infern0]

yes iran does but its more forced upon the people ... iran doesnt recognise homosexuality and is punishible by death ... so they tend to give people a choice to either change their gender or get killed :( thats what i read on some news sites anyway

Iran went to shit when they got rid of the royal family

[LibertyHarkness]

well lets not get a political thread going shall we :) this is a porn/fun forum we dont want to hangourselves with doom and gloom talk :) x

[Infern0]

well lets not get a political thread going shall we :) this is a porn/fun forum we dont want to hangourselves with doom and gloom talk :) x

aye, sometimes i cant help myself, :praying:

[LibertyHarkness]

good lad, save them little heathens for another thread :)

[innocentbychoice]

Thats all semantics. Some of the "travesti" girls consider themselves "travestis" while they take hormones and have surgeries... why? For many of them transsexual is the term used only when post-op. Basically... pre-op = travesti.... post-op = transsexual.

For all I know, the pre-op, post-op terminology is mostly used only in english.

True but it still is a wrong use of the word. I know for a fact that here in Latinamerica the word "travesti" is thrown around to define pretty much everyone from crossdressers, to dragqueens, to transsexuals, but it doesn't make it right. It's ignorance. The words "transsexual" (spelled in Spanish just like in English), "transgenerista" (transgendered), "transsexualismo" (transsexualism), "transgenero" (transgender) do exit and define what they are supposed to define but people, even some of the tgirls as you said, don't use them just because they don't know better.

[scroller]

Iran went to shit when they got rid of the royal family

Iran went to shit when we overthrew the democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a royal family.

[LibertyHarkness]

I think we should leave it to someone who has real authority on this matter ..

[Jackal]

Appreciate the compliment.....you look like a genetic female when I viewed your FB photos.....the blessing to transition young as you did...I just wished I did sooner, but my family needed me first....now I concentrate on me & I wish you well with the rest of your journey too....good luck sis xoxo

I can't believe you are 43 years old, you look very youthful and pretty!

[dderek123]

To be born as a man and want to be a woman you have GID.
When you start transitioning you become a TS.
To transition you need to be on hormones.
When you finish transitioning you are a woman. But that part is debatable and seems to be a matter of opinion. And even then I imagine some continue to take hormones.

So at what point does a TS finish transitioning? Is it after SRS? Or will they always be a TS in a constant state of transitioning?

[MrsKellyPierce]

True..it's part of transition....When you get older you will start losing your hair and the male testosterone will take over. It leads one to think why aren't you taking hormones of some kind. Plus usually you will have hairy legs/chest/stomach like a man with out some sort of hormones. You will suffer from razor bumps everywhere which isn't very attractive. But you can always use an epilator for such problems.

I also believe one should be diagnosed by a counselor/therapist/pyschologist.

There are instances where girls wont take hormones to not lose their sexual appetite or have their penis's shrink. I notice some have mentioned Jesse, I have met Jesse and hung with her..She is very much a female. And she has transitioned with surgeries.

[fordly66]

I think you are a transsexual the moment you know you want to be the opposite gender, be it 5 years old or 43.

[Carissa00031]

false ...

many girls are unable to take hormone medication due to medical issues .. does this make them less of a woman .. of course it doesnt ...

Hormones on their own dont make a person a female, much like having a pair of boobs dont make you a female .. its a combination of things, lifestyle, most importantly how you live your life ...

Though from a Technical/Legal point of view its all about when your officaly diagnosed ..


Liberty......good reply to this post....I know many girls who are saddened they cannot get into taking hormones due to medical issues.....to me, it is how you present yourself that makes all the difference......take care....

[MrsKellyPierce]

I would like to say though hormones and surgeries don't make you a tranny...

A lot of fem gay boys will transition for money purposes....

And many trannies are misdiagnosed...for body dysphoria

[innocentbychoice]

True..it's part of transition....When you get older you will start losing your hair and the male testosterone will take over. It leads one to think why aren't you taking hormones of some kind. Plus usually you will have hairy legs/chest/stomach like a man with out some sort of hormones. You will suffer from razor bumps everywhere which isn't very attractive. But you can always use an epilator for such problems.

I also believe one should be diagnosed by a counselor/therapist/pyschologist.

There are instances where girls wont take hormones to not lose their sexual appetite or have their penis's shrink. I notice some have mentioned Jesse, I have met Jesse and hung with her..She is very much a female. And she has transitioned with surgeries.

I was the one who mentioned Jesse. I saw her interview on Howard Stern and she does look, act and sound very feminine. She said the only surgery she had done was her boobs (maybe I'm wrong about that). But as I said earlier, she can pull it off right now cuz she's young, but what happens when she gets older and testoterone starts acting on her body? And doing what you said up there, I'm not saying that makes her less of a woman or less of a transsexual, Im saying, wouldn't a girl be worried about that enough to take hormones? Cuz that can't be pretty.

[TSPornFan]

I'm guessing this started because of Madison Mantog's comments? Madison Mantog has said in interviews that she has never taken any hormones. She may never have any type of surgery. She calls herself an natural transsexual. She does look femm. Her voice sounds very fake and gives her away.

[irongoddess]

i like breaking rules,i`ve stopped takin female hormones when i was 19yrs old and since i`ve become a bodybuilder my own testo is really high which is handy for me!
i`ve attached two pics,one with my curvy muscle butt taken few days ago and one last night outside a club doing some flexing!:)

[KittyFallon]

This was an interesting thread to read and I felt it quite encouraging. I generally refer to myself as a tgirl or somone who is transgendered as I prefer to avoid using terms that are too loaded.

I always felt like I wasn't a "real transexual" as I wasn't on hormones and was somehow just a "dirty crossdresser" or at best a transvestite. Both terms I don't really like but use because of how other people perceive them.

I would love to go on hormones and transition but don't think i could ever be brave enough. From the general consensus in this thread it sounds as if this doesn't make me any less a transexual which is nice.

Thank you for this thread.

[Birgitta]

False, of course, its not like I suddenly became TS when I started hormone therapy, I was TS from the moment I was in the womb, or some moment in the womb; (or perhaps even before I was in the womb but that's another story)

The problem though is you can feel a 100% a woman, it's what other people think that counts... identity is build upon the mirror that your fellow man reflects back at you...

In absolute spiritual truth I am woman a 100%, practically I am something totally different... so what does that make me?

Is the actual me the soul inside, or my body and how other people view/perceive me,
I am probably a combination of those...
It sounds almost as if I were human..

But I will leave that up to you too :) AT least for as long as you're nice to me :)

Love Birgitta

[Birgitta]

Or will they always be a TS in a constant state of transitioning?

For me it's like that.... always on the road to becoming more myself, who I actually am and always have been.... that is a never ending road as far as I can see.

[rodinuk]

The problem though is you can feel a 100% a woman, it's what other people think that counts... identity is build upon the mirror that your fellow man reflects back at you...

Yes that's as maybe but you have to be pragmatic about it - it's finding some style that works...it shouldn't be all about what others want of you - unless you're saying you've already succumbed to that?

[Birgitta]

Yes that's as maybe but you have to be pragmatic about it - it's finding some style that works...it shouldn't be all about what others want of you - unless you're saying you've already succumbed to that?

Hi Rod,

Well I think it's pointless...I can spend my life as a mad woman, and I probably will... but my world is isolated like rapunzel if nobody truely believes in my existence... And then I do not mean tranny or even a woman.... but the true soul inside me... the real woman... will my prince know her... I hope he does...
But I am very very rational about my situation... I know my truth but it has to be seen and believed and understood before she can actually excist and live for another person...I know this from my experience with myself. I am happy though because I am alive through and for some very sweet and lovely people.

Love Birgitta

[phobun]

I would like to say though hormones and surgeries don't make you a tranny...

A lot of fem gay boys will transition for money purposes....

And many trannies are misdiagnosed...for body dysphoria


This is true.

There are lots of gay boys with boobs and old autogynephilic CD creepers who call themselves transsexual and who post here.

[onmyknees]

This is true.

There are lots of gay boys with boobs and old autogynephilic CD creepers who call themselves transsexual and who post here.

Why do you get your little pee pee all in a knot about what people refer to themselves as? You are the single most label conscience , intolerant twit on HA...and that says a lot. You'll go down a tranny cock in a heartbeat, but if someone else does it with a T gurl who doesn't meet you ridgid requirements as to what a Trans Woman has to be..you label them. What ever happened live and let live ? You make a point to tell us what a card carrying liberal you are....but your intolerance doesn't quit jive with that, therefore since we're putting people into categories...I put you at the top of the HYPOCRATE column! LMAO

[theone1982]

Just curious what "fem boys" are transitioning for money purposes. Seems like a lot to go through just for money, especially when the money's not really guaranteed.

[theone1982]

Yeah, how can you be a "gay boy with boobs" anyway? I mean either way you would want to be with a man right? Whether you are a TS or a "gay boy with boobs"? Unless you are a lesbian TS.

[theone1982]

Yeah, how can you be a "gay boy with boobs" anyway? I mean either way you would want to be with a man right? Whether you are a TS or a "gay boy with boobs"? Unless you are a lesbian TS.

Or unless you are only going to top.

[BellaBellucci]

I would say you need at least two of the following to be TS:

Hormones
Breast implants or some other feminizing surgery (in lieu of hormones)
Name/Gender change
Full-time life as a woman

These are semi-permanent changes to one's body or social status and show a level of dedication to one's sense of female self that can't be equated with just throwing on a wig, dress, and heels which, if one was really transsexual and not some other way transgendered, would feel like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

i have 3 out the four .. . i think you can call transexual if you live 24 7 as a woman.. all year around

Just live 24/7, with no changes to the body? I'd have to argue the point. I think that would make a person transgendered because they changed genders but to be transsexual I really think it requires changes to one's physical sex characteristics.

~BB~

[tsbrenda]

most or SHEMALES and not transsexuals

DICK WITH BREAST because they do not want to lose that income from having dick and breast together.

plus the fantasy is to be an attractive and desirable women
who is a slut or able to be a slut
men and women want dick with breast AKA SHEMALES


http://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=7&subAreaID=&query=w4t&catAbb=ppp

[Birgitta]

Girls... of course you got to have the money the means and the health to transition...
But I have to agree with Bella at some point about putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, because it was a matter of life and death for me too...I would have probably never transitioned if it were not absolutely necessary for me to do so...I had no real choice and I am still trying to avoid the final step even, the srs.

Not for financial purposes (I am not doing escort or porno) but I am kind of afraid I would end up alone with an srs. Others say that does not make me a real or true transsexual, the srs seems to define that for them. But I know what and who I am...so I am carefull about judging what other people are by the steps they have taken to become themselves...

Also I know transwoman that did transition all the way that seem to lack sensitivity and femininity (in character and soul) and beeing naturally feminine is what I value over the actual steps one has taken to transition.

xx
Birgitta

[phobun]

Why do you get your little pee pee all in a knot about what people refer to themselves as? You are the single most label conscience , intolerant twit on HA...and that says a lot. You'll go down a tranny cock in a heartbeat, but if someone else does it with a T gurl who doesn't meet you ridgid requirements as to what a Trans Woman has to be..you label them. What ever happened live and let live ? You make a point to tell us what a card carrying liberal you are....but your intolerance doesn't quit jive with that, therefore since we're putting people into categories...I put you at the top of the HYPOCRATE column! LMAO


Why not expend this sort of energy telling your fellow Republicans what sort of hypocrites they are? For someone who defends the Republican Party on a TS porn board, there is a lot of hypocrisy for you to bring up hypocrisy.

And why does one person's opinion on a forum upset you so much? LOL

I'm not going to change my opinions because a Republican cocksucker has a huff, so why not just put me on ignore if I put your panties in a bunch so easily?

Do invest in some knee pads though, because that thin skin isn't going to hold up if you're always down genuflecting to either Jesus, the G.O.P., Bush and his wars, or an ejaculating penis.

[BigDF]

This was an interesting thread to read and I felt it quite encouraging. I generally refer to myself as a tgirl or somone who is transgendered as I prefer to avoid using terms that are too loaded.

I always felt like I wasn't a "real transexual" as I wasn't on hormones and was somehow just a "dirty crossdresser" or at best a transvestite. Both terms I don't really like but use because of how other people perceive them.

I would love to go on hormones and transition but don't think i could ever be brave enough. From the general consensus in this thread it sounds as if this doesn't make me any less a transexual which is nice.

Thank you for this thread.I don't know how much my opinion counts with you, Kitty, but I see a cute girl when I look at you. You have that quality that I mention in this post:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=55112&page=3

and I hope it doesn't offend you. As far as transitioning it appears to me that you have. From everything I've read on the subject, the most difficult part is the psychological aspect. As long as you believe yourself to be female, you are one. I suspect for everyone who has taken that step and presented themselves to the world that way, there is probably another girl trapped in a boy's body who is too scared to take that first step.

[innocentbychoice]

Girls... of course you got to have the money the means and the health to transition...
But I have to agree with Bella at some point about putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, because it was a matter of life and death for me too...I would have probably never transitioned if it were not absolutely necessary for me to do so...I had no real choice and I am still trying to avoid the final step even, the srs.

Not for financial purposes (I am not doing escort or porno) but I am kind of afraid I would end up alone with an srs. Others say that does not make me a real or true transsexual, the srs seems to define that for them. But I know what and who I am...so I am carefull about judging what other people are by the steps they have taken to become themselves...
xx
Birgitta

Having the final surgery is a choice, it doesn't make you more or less of a woman. You will always be a transsexual woman, because a transsexual is someone who physically transitioned from one sex to the other, whether you have a vagina or a dick.

I think that looking and behaving like a woman, thus gaining social acceptance as a woman, is far more important than how your genitals look like, after all nobody is gonna be looking or touching them while you walk down the street, that's just between you and your partner.

[innocentbychoice]

I would say you need at least two of the following to be TS:

Hormones
Breast implants or some other feminizing surgery (in lieu of hormones)
Name/Gender change
Full-time life as a woman

These are semi-permanent changes to one's body or social status and show a level of dedication to one's sense of female self that can't be equated with just throwing on a wig, dress, and heels which, if one was really transsexual and not some other way transgendered, would feel like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.

~BB~

I agree. And I feel like living 24/7 as a woman is a must. I'm sure lots of girls don't do it right away but it has to happen at some point.

[Merkurie]

I think to be a transexual there must be full time crossing over from one gender to the other. To publicly live ones life as a member of the opposite sex they were assigned at birth. How a person goes about that either through hormones, surgery, or simply clothing and lifestyle is up to them.

To be transgendered is a far larger universe, and only the individual can say for themselves what their gender identity is. Unless you are a mind reader you cant look at a person and come to any conclusions about that.

[natina]

TO BE A TS
YOU GOTTA BE ON HORMONES
AND OR
HIT THE PIPE.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZxk-21EY9vLKgvVIlSo30dnFz4ToxrFgig6kqA27JOxkOZMTM

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrzayCQJXdRZkwDZH8z70Rilyc5Nmsj YPNvssdd9d3gbeafC_O

http://www.smokingwithstyle.com/gifs/Figures/figure2_3.gif


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaVuDuG1NGqvrXYTid7TlUX7fW-3gv3-gDiUGhReXQtTMYKSGN

[natina]

B4
AND
AFTER HITTING DA PIPE

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-UtBlWjPyf_zVZkjnWjk8FiBx9shcdNh63zu3v8WAiNhwSvOi0g



http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUQ9VmpEz7txmq7dKa6JUTGPatHOGlO afBeqE_0zewfUTT25ML


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtflVLLFLaxlwEgmU9keYuQD7HHCkA1 0TBSl1edjhcRyu5FzFcxg

[theone1982]

B4
AND
AFTER HITTING DA PIPE

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-UtBlWjPyf_zVZkjnWjk8FiBx9shcdNh63zu3v8WAiNhwSvOi0g



http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUQ9VmpEz7txmq7dKa6JUTGPatHOGlO afBeqE_0zewfUTT25ML


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtflVLLFLaxlwEgmU9keYuQD7HHCkA1 0TBSl1edjhcRyu5FzFcxg

He went from Unabomber to Bitter Beer Face.:)

[dderek123]

hahahah bitter beer face

[Birgitta]

TO BE A TS
YOU GOTTA BE ON HORMONES
AND OR
HIT THE PIPE.


lol!

[natina]

lovin it


TO BE A TS




YOU GOTTA BE ON HORMONES
AND OR
HIT THE PIPE.






lol!

:iagree:




TO BE A TS





YOU GOTTA BE ON HORMONES
AND OR
HIT THE PIPE.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZxk-21EY9vLKgvVIlSo30dnFz4ToxrFgig6kqA27JOxkOZMTM

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrzayCQJXdRZkwDZH8z70Rilyc5Nmsj YPNvssdd9d3gbeafC_O

http://www.smokingwithstyle.com/gifs/Figures/figure2_3.gif


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaVuDuG1NGqvrXYTid7TlUX7fW-3gv3-gDiUGhReXQtTMYKSGN

[ARMANIXXX]

No,

One does not have to be on hormones to be a full time ts.

Living ones life FULL TIME is what makes someone a full time ts.


How can you be on this board for years, and still not know basic shit?

I may be wrong, but didn't you date a ts for a few,not john for them, but actually date them, Dino Velvet? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[alpha2117]

Long term hormone use can lead to issues with the kidneys and liver. Many girls go on or off them over the years to avoid these kind of things. Doesn't stop them being transsexual. It's really a question that a guy would ask rather than a TS who would know that transexuality is more a mental thing than a physical thing anyway.

[Nikka]

interesting thread, poll results so far is 50/50

[theone1982]

Isn't the age you start taking hormones also a crucial factor? I was under the impression that the younger you start taking them, the more effective they are. If that's true, it would seem to open up a whole new can of worms in this discussion, making it more of a matter of degree, rather than of "on hormones or not". I personally think the key is living full time, rather than hormones. Since you have to pay for hormones, I would say it wouldn't be right to exclude someone just because they couldn't afford it.

[LibertyHarkness]

correct the younger you start the better the results and effects ... now not everyperson is able to take hormones due to medical effects ... i know TS women that are unable to take hormones now as it was damaging their body/ glands in head etc ...

To take hormones alone does not make someone a girl ...hormones are merely just a tool to assist ... its state of mind, diagnosis and living your life ...then its just legals ..

[alyssaluxor]

For me:

NO

[innocentbychoice]

Long term hormone use can lead to issues with the kidneys and liver. Many girls go on or off them over the years to avoid these kind of things. Doesn't stop them being transsexual. It's really a question that a guy would ask rather than a TS who would know that transexuality is more a mental thing than a physical thing anyway.

Technically "transsexualism" is more about the physical part, the physical transition. The mental side of it, what really matters, is called "transgenderism". So someone with gender dysphoria is a transgendered person, but for whatever reason that person might NOT transition and live in the wrong body for the rest of their lives or they can physically transition and become a transsexual. You know what I mean? It's just technicalities anyway and I do see what you mean.

[phobun]

I would say that of the guys who answer "No", they are most probably swayed by a desire for a stiff penis. They lust for "functionality", and sometimes that is diminished or even lost with HRT.

So, by being self-interested bottoms, their answers are biased.

[phobun]

Technically "transsexualism" is more about the physical part, the physical transition. The mental side of it, what really matters, is called "transgenderism". So someone with gender dysphoria is a transgendered person, but for whatever reason that person might NOT transition and live in the wrong body for the rest of their lives or they can physically transition and become a transsexual. You know what I mean? It's just technicalities anyway and I do see what you mean.


I don't agree. I think "transgenderism" is a "big-tent" term that not only encompasses transsexuals, but also other gender-variant individuals.

Transsexuals are those who have gender dysphoria. A transsexual might not ever transition (maybe they got drafted and killed in a war at 19), yet still be transsexual because of gender dysphoria.

[innocentbychoice]

I don't agree. I think "transgenderism" is a "big-tent" term that not only encompasses transsexuals, but also other gender-variant individuals.

Transsexuals are those who have gender dysphoria. A transsexual might not ever transition (maybe they got drafted and killed in a war at 19), yet still be transsexual because of gender dysphoria.

The way I see it, transgenderism is the psychological side of the equation (gender is between the ears) and when a transgendered person transitions from one sex to the other then they're transsexual (sex is physical, sex is between the legs).

I don't really know what other gender-variants transgenderism encompasses. I thought intersexed people and others were on an entire different category. Please explain it to me if I'm wrong.

[Dino Velvet]

After starting this thread and reading through the posts, I agree that someone can be transsexual without being on hormones and it's more about the heart and mind. Too many girls on this board not on hormones that are still more woman than many GGs.

I am surprised that the poll is a dead heat. Guess it wasn't such a dumb question after all.

Thanks to all who participated as this was a good learning experience for me.

[phobun]

The way I see it, transgenderism is the psychological side of the equation (gender is between the ears) and when a transgendered person transitions from one sex to the other then they're transsexual (sex is physical, sex is between the legs).

I don't really know what other gender-variants transgenderism encompasses. I thought intersexed people and others were on an entire different category. Please explain it to me if I'm wrong.


No. Transgender is a word that encompasses anyone who crosses ("trans") gender. Categories within the transgender umbrella include TS, TV, CD, genderqueer, people who live cross-gender and androgyne.

I think Wikipedia spells it out well: "A transgender individual may have characteristics that are normally associated with a particular gender, identify elsewhere on the traditional gender continuum, or exist outside of it as "other", "agender (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Androgyny#Alternatives)", "Genderqueer (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Genderqueer)", or "third gender (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Third_gender)". Transgender people may also identify as bigender (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Bigender), or along several places on either the traditional transgender continuum, or the more encompassing continuums which have been developed in response to the significantly more detailed studies done in recent years."

"Transsexual" is a diagnosis given to someone who experiences gender dysphoria. A person need not have transitioned to the opposite sex to be a transsexual, so, you'll sometimes see "guys" who call themselves "pre-, pre-op transsexual"

[innocentbychoice]

^Ok got it. Thanks.

[natina]

the debate is still on

[robertlouis]

the debate is still on

Still making mischief, Natina.....

[justafreak]

I would say no, but I preffer the girls I mess with to be on hormones.

[Bobby Domino]

I'm surprised the poll is even. Wow!!! Do the tits HAVE to be bigger than the cock?

[eva.bangz]

i feel like....a person that takes steps to transition to that of the opposite sex is to be considered a transsexual...