you know what i dont like...

[losemybreath]

i need to get this off my chest like now! i don't like or appreciate how these "men" come in here and say they would never pay a transsexual and refer to her as a "whore". "i would never pay a girl/ts if i cant get her for free oh well" well just how do you IDIOTS expect your fantasy girls to maintain their beauty..? how often do you see your local eros guide girls working the drive though at your local fast food joints? :confused:

[Infern0]

i wouldn't pay for sex just because i wouldnt have sex with someone who wasn't into me, i don't see a problem with people doing it, but i like sex to be "real" and not just getting your rocks off.

[wendell]

Not to defend the actions of men denigrating women by calling them whores or judging their choices but I think you make a mistake, Losemybreath, by implying that escorting is the only way for trasgendered women to make money. Not that theres anything wrong with doing that, and I appreciate the general sentiment you're trying to put accross but still...

[Jackal]

If someone does not want to be an escort or seek the services of one ever, that's fine. I just dislike when they denigrate those who do. Now that is an asshole move!

[losemybreath]

i wouldn't pay for sex just because i wouldnt have sex with someone who wasn't into me, i don't see a problem with people doing it, but i like sex to be "real" and not just getting your rocks off.

yes but that attitude causes the girls to go broke and your fantasy girls become ugly

[losemybreath]

Not to defend the actions of men denigrating women by calling them whores or judging their choices but I think you make a mistake, Losemybreath, by implying that escorting is the only way for trasgendered women to make money. Not that theres anything wrong with doing that, and I appreciate the general sentiment you're trying to put accross but still...

i never stated trans woman or women cannot obtain jobs, i stated HOW OFTEN do you see these fantasy girls with jobs? im only keeping it real which so many here fail to do :geek:

[Infern0]

yes but that attitude causes the girls to go broke and your fantasy girls become ugly

so i should pay for sex with them, even though it's my personal choice not too?

i see what you are getting at, but it doesn't work like that in any real world fashion.

in these days of equal rights, they should have no problem getting a regular job imo, but the gravitation towards the porn and prostitution industries is pretty rampant and it's what 9/10 transequals are steered into as soon as they hit legal age.

the world is a messed up place, but i'm still not going to pay for sex, i'd rather give a ts girl a handout than pay for sex with them.

[wendell]

You may not have stated it outright Losemybreath but you have certainly strongly implied it. Particuarly with your assertion that the attitude of nt wishing to pay for sex, for whatever reason, will result in attractive women becoming ugly.

Men being insulting too women who choose to be escorts you identified correctly, in my opinion, as being nauseating. It doesn't then follow however that transgender women need to enter the sex industry to be beautiful.

I don't want to secondguess anyone but I would presume the reason many women choose to do it is that there is a high demand and lots of money to be made. Not becasue they are forced to in an attempt to attain beauty.

[losemybreath]

so i should pay for sex with them, even though it's my personal choice not too?

i see what you are getting at, but it doesn't work like that in any real world fashion.

in these days of equal rights, they should have no problem getting a regular job imo, but the gravitation towards the porn and prostitution industries is pretty rampant and it's what 9/10 transequals are steered into as soon as they hit legal age.

the world is a messed up place, but i'm still not going to pay for sex, i'd rather give a ts girl a handout than pay for sex with them.

i just stated i did not like it. that is all. i do not like how these men CONSTANTLY BRAG here on hungangels how they do not pay for sex whores ect...

[Jackal]

as long as a woman does not escort based on force or desperation, then it is her choice.

[losemybreath]

You may not have stated it outright Losemybreath but you have certainly strongly implied it. Particuarly with your assertion that the attitude of nt wishing to pay for sex, for whatever reason, will result in attractive women becoming ugly.

Men being insulting too women who choose to be escorts you identified correctly, in my opinion, as being nauseating. It doesn't then follow however that transgender women need to enter the sex industry to be beautiful.

I don't want to secondguess anyone but I would presume the reason many women choose to do it is that there is a high demand and lots of money to be made. Not becasue they are forced to in an attempt to attain beauty.

the point is these cockhounds need to quit bragging about not paying for whores. coming here to degrade your fantasy girls calling them whores and CONSISTENTLY STATING THAT YOU WOULD NEVER PAY FOR A WHORE IS DISGUSTING TO ME how dare so many of you fags brag about that when a mass majority or the girls rely on it for survival!

[Infern0]

i just stated i did not like it. that is all. i do not like how these men CONSTANTLY BRAG here on hungangels how they do not pay for sex whores ect...

If they are using derogitory terms such as that then they are assholes and should be ignored.

people on a site like this should be a bit more open minded, even if they disagree with the sex industry, you would think

[losemybreath]

as long as a woman does not escort based on force or desperation, then it is her choice.

do you know how many girls are forced into this lifestyle? can you picture holly sweet applying at taco bell? its unfathomable!

[losemybreath]

If they are using derogitory terms such as that then they are assholes and should be ignored.

people on a site like this should be a bit more open minded, even if they disagree with the sex industry, you would think

i mean it is a porn forum filled with escorts and prostitutes struggling to make a living so yes its extremely rude to brag about not paying for sex. its a porn forum youre only making yourself look broke, not better.

[wendell]

I'm not contesting that point though Losemybreath and have in fact agreed with it twice. The idea that men shouldn't belittle or insult a woman's choic of income is something I have openly endorsed. It is the other ideas implicit in your posts that I disagree with.

[rockabilly]

yes but that attitude causes the girls to go broke and your fantasy girls become ugly

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[losemybreath]

I'm not contesting that point though Losemybreath and have in fact agreed with it twice. The idea that men shouldn't belittle or insult a woman's choic of income is something I have openly endorsed. It is the other ideas implicit in your posts that I disagree with.

and again i will state how many transsexuals do you see with 9-5's ... so yes my statement was completely correct. :iagree:

[Infern0]

I'm not contesting that point though Losemybreath and have in fact agreed with it twice. The idea that men shouldn't belittle or insult a woman's choic of income is something I have openly endorsed. It is the other ideas implicit in your posts that I disagree with.

To be fair, usemybreath does have a point that its more difficult for trans to be emplyed in mainstream jobs, but thats a huge debate for another thread imo.

[Jackal]

do you know how many girls are forced into this lifestyle? can you picture holly sweet applying at taco bell? its unfathomable!


and society OUGHT to have jobs available for transwomen outside of the adult industry with a living wage so they do have a choice.

[losemybreath]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

i take it you dont mind if a stunning beauty can no longer afford hormones, lifesaving makeup or even her eros ad fee. looking at chicago eros the regulars are GONE! http://www.eros-chicago.com/sections/chicago_shemale_escorts.htm looking at that ts party video on facebook http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1849329039415&oid=235690316781&comments OMG them girls are looking rough for a reason. no money no beauty.

[wendell]

It certainly can be more difficult but personally the majority that I know do have mainstream jobs. I just think it's a disservice to a number of ladies to suggest that they had no choice but to enter porn or escorting as a means to be beautiful. Those that are in those industrie, that I know, simply a made a concious and lucrative business decision based on supply and demand.

[losemybreath]

To be fair, usemybreath does have a point that its more difficult for trans to be emplyed in mainstream jobs, but thats a huge debate for another thread imo.

:iagree:

[Infern0]

and society OUGHT to have jobs available for transwomen outside of the adult industry with a living wage so they do have a choice.

they should be able to do ANY job that anyone else is entitled to do

[losemybreath]

and society OUGHT to have jobs available for transwomen outside of the adult industry with a living wage so they do have a choice.

key word ought im sorry but that is not the case. transsexuals are the new black.

[rockabilly]

and again i will state how many transsexuals do you see with 9-5's ... so yes my statement was completely correct. :iagree:

Well ... If they're not ugly and live stealth then maybe the girl at Applebees is trans.

[losemybreath]

they should be able to do ANY job that anyone else is entitled to do

well i dont see it happening any time soon. the ts must either (a) be completely passable day or night, with documents all saying female (b) apply as a man and work as a man. (c) be lucky enough to have a gay boss. and the list goes on....

[Infern0]

key word ought im sorry but that is not the case. transsexuals are the new black.

i reckon we should march to the white house demanding equality!

[losemybreath]

Well ... If they're not ugly and live stealth then maybe the girl at Applebees is trans.

yes but the girls here are not STEALTH so again stating you would not pay for sex / whores is not cool on this porn forum.

[loren]

Well ... If they're not ugly and live stealth then maybe the girl at Applebees is trans.
Good point. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, there are a lot of GGs that I don't find attractive, butt their husbands do.:shrug

[Infern0]

losemybreath, what gender are you if you dont mind my asking

[rockabilly]

yes but the girls here are not STEALTH so again stating you would not pay for sex / whores is not cool on this porn forum.

Some girls here are stealth , in the real world they live , shop and work 9 to 5 jobs as women and are treated as women.

You can't stand on a soapbox and demand men to pay for sex when a) They don't have to or b) Don't need to.

I don't have anything against girls who escort but it's a quick fix to a long term situation.

[nonnonnon]

paid sex doesn't have to suck. everyone's always searching for that gfe

[bte]

@Losemybreath

How many TS girls have you met that were not escorting or doing porn?

I never paid for sex but I don't demean guys who do. Not every TS is in the porn or escort business. I have met some cute TS who are just regular girls who live stealth. Hell once I met a TS girl in a bar and come to find out that she worked at IHOP.

[Nowhere]

I never call any working girls whores, since I don't think it's wrong.

It's 1000x more genuine for a girl to give you exactly what you're paying for than, say, gold diggers like Oksana Grigorieva, who f*cks rich guys, gets pregnant and milks them for all they're worth. To me, she is an example of a true whore.

To me, working girls are just operating an honest business. It's pure capitalism, working the market for the demand and manipulating the interest.

But, that doesn't mean I'd visit one. Something about me only wants fully 'real' relationships, and paying a girl, especially a GFE, is the exact opposite of that.

[Chaotic]

Meh!

The only difference between a wife and an escort is one is a long term contract, the other is "pay as you go"! :dancing:

[Jackal]

@Losemybreath

How many TS girls have you met that were not escorting or doing porn?

I never paid for sex but I don't demean guys who do. Not every TS is in the porn or escort business. I have met some cute TS who are just regular girls who live stealth. Hell once I met a TS girl in a bar and come to find out that she worked at IHOP.


I dated a TS who worked at a Walmart, although she also worked as a go-go dancer sometimes, not sure if that counts as a sex job or sexual entertainment.

[Chris in LA]

What are you? A ts or a dude who has to pay for ass and is upset you can't pull without paying like some of us?

[dderek123]

Expressing my dislike for laying with prostitutes doesn't mean I am unwilling to support someone else that I care about.

Do you feel the need for giving your money over to them just because you think they need financial support for transitioning? Hmm, I think it's more like you are desperate for busting a nut and can't quickly satisfy that urge without paying for it. The escorts provide a service and you pay for it. What they do with the money is up to them.

Why don't you start a charity where you collect money from others so you can go visit TS escorts. See how goes that.

[dderek123]

Rockabilly I like your avatar.

[Infern0]

What are you? A ts or a dude who has to pay for ass and is upset you can't pull without paying like some of us?

im having a hard time figuring it out

at the end of the day escort work is what it is, selling your body for cash, agree with it or not. I'm not going to pay for it especially when i can usually get it for free quite easily, not bragging or anything, just being straight up.

[arnie666]

All women/girls/ladyboys are whores. The only difference is if they are direct whores (ie they take actual cash from a man for sex) or indirect whores who want you to buy them drinks or take them to restaurants. Some poor saps even take them on holiday paying for everything thinking they will put out. Then if you decide to marry an indirect whore, and then she gets fat, butches up by cutting her hair goes off sex, and you decide to divorce her you get raped in court.

So this is why, I can't understand the aversion some guys have to pay for sex, you see most guys should be able to get free sex it isn't rocket science and isn't much to boast about these days are women are sluts, these days you pay for them to fuck off afterwards and not expect anything else or decide they feel guilty and used and then tell the Police you raped her. . What I think it comes down to is, some guys especially ones with little sexual experience and experience of females, don't have much confidence and feel paying for sex direct makes them a loser or unattractive to women.

In reality there is little difference between how guys get sex, it all comes down to money.

I personally don't pay girls for sex, but I do pay ladyboys,simply because I don't want to go to some gay bar and I expect the hottest ones accept money and I want the sex with them entirely on my terms,because I just use them for sex.

[Infern0]

All women/girls/ladyboys are whores. The only difference is if they are direct whores (ie they take actual cash from a man for sex) or indirect whores who want you to buy them drinks or take them to restaurants. Some poor saps even take them on holiday paying for everything thinking they will put out. Then if you decide to marry an indirect whore, and then she gets fat, butches up by cutting her hair goes off sex, and you decide to divorce her you get raped in court.

So this is why, I can't understand the aversion some guys have to pay for sex, you see most guys should be able to get free sex it isn't rocket science and isn't much to boast about these days are women are sluts, these days you pay for them to fuck off afterwards and not expect anything else or decide they feel guilty and used and then tell the Police you raped her. . What I think it comes down to is, some guys especially ones with little sexual experience and experience of females, don't have much confidence and feel paying for sex direct makes them a loser or unattractive to women.

In reality there is little difference between how guys get sex, it all comes down to money.

I personally don't pay girls for sex, but I do pay ladyboys,simply because I don't want to go to some gay bar and I expect the hottest ones accept money and I want the sex with them entirely on my terms,because I just use them for sex.

Oh man.

clearly you never dated anyone who insisted on paying their own way.

your attitude is a bit of a shame, not all girls are sluts, but clearly you have been around some bad ones

[rockabilly]

Does it grind your gears?

[dderek123]

Or grind your rears?

[ncc-1701]

yes but that attitude causes the girls to go broke and your fantasy girls become ugly

Money ≠ Beauty.

[dderek123]

"yes but that attitude causes the girls to go broke and your fantasy girls become ugly"

There is plenty more where they came from. You don't exactly need a college degree to be an escort/pornstar. Some of them may try to tell you differently but nahhhh

[nsagent]

WTF I'm not responsible for paying for their transformation. I don't down talk the women that escort or the tricks that pay them but you make it sound like its our duty as men who are attracted to them to support them.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a123/nsagent/24bsnwmjpg.gif

[rockabilly]

smh at all the BROKE tranny chasing cock hounds coming up with excuses as to why they wont pay. you empty wallet fags really went off the deep end. it was a simple "i do not like thread". what does that tell you? LEARN TO STFU! quit coming to ha to spam your i dont pay for sex attitude! WE DONT WANNA HEAR IT! TAKE THAT SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE! if you dont fucking pay for sex then don't be surprised when the girls look a little ... BROKE! :geek:

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[LittleGuy]

i need to get this off my chest like now! i don't like or appreciate how these "men" come in here and say they would never pay a transsexual and refer to her as a "whore". "i would never pay a girl/ts if i cant get her for free oh well" well just how do you IDIOTS expect your fantasy girls to maintain their beauty..? how often do you see your local eros guide girls working the drive though at your local fast food joints? :confused:

Did I hurt your feelings in that other thread?

[FreddieGomez]

lol at this captain save a hoe

[Chris in LA]

Still haven't answered the question, wtf are you? Gender check please, this will help answer this thread...

[loveburst]

i need to get this off my chest like now! i don't like or appreciate how these "men" come in here and say they would never pay a transsexual and refer to her as a "whore". "i would never pay a girl/ts if i cant get her for free oh well" well just how do you IDIOTS expect your fantasy girls to maintain their beauty..? how often do you see your local eros guide girls working the drive though at your local fast food joints? :confused:

Well, paying for sex is also degrading to ones own humanity - for some of us.. (or some of us see it this way) Also I see it as degrading the humanity of another..

But everyone do what you like, not meaning to condemn you girls at all, but that is just why I do not take part in such transactions..

If you are interested in hearing the explanation for this, it is that I am thinking no one should have to give any goods (or money), in order to receive a feeling of being loved, or to be able to make love to someone..(for a moment)

That is what I see as the degrading part, though I feel happy there is an income for TS ladies out there, and such that most TS ladies do enjoy and have fun with...

..that is all good..

That is simply something I wish not to part take.

..and I am enjoying other forms of love in my own life, and I wish all the best to you who find good vibes through other ways...

Same goes to erotic material, paying for a DVD that makes ones balls bust, is just the same as paying for the release of your own dopamins inside your own brain, and for the release and loss of your own sperm.. (but I do understand to appreciate the lives of the girls acting out - and enjoying themselves - on these videos and wish them all the best)

[Infern0]

Well, paying for sex is also degrading to ones own humanity - for some of us.. (or some of us see it this way) Also I see it as degrading the humanity of another..

But everyone do what you like, not meaning to condemn you girls at all, but that is just why I do not take part in such transactions..

If you are interested in hearing the explanation for this, it is that I am thinking no one should have to give any goods (or money), in order to receive a feeling of being loved, or to be able to make love to someone..(for a moment)

That is what I see as the degrading part, though I feel happy there is an income for TS ladies out there, and such that most TS ladies do enjoy and have fun with...

..that is all good..

That is simply something I wish not to part take.

..and I am enjoying other forms of love in my own life, and I wish all the best to you who find good vibes through other ways...

Same goes to erotic material, paying for a DVD that makes ones balls bust, is just the same as paying for the release of your own dopamins inside your own brain, and for the release and loss of your own sperm.. (but I do understand to appreciate the lives of the girls acting out - and enjoying themselves - on these videos and wish them all the best)

QFT

my feelings exactly

[dderek123]

smh at all the BROKE tranny chasing cock hounds coming up with excuses as to why they wont pay. you empty wallet fags really went off the deep end. it was a simple "i do not like thread". what does that tell you? LEARN TO STFU! quit coming to ha to spam your i dont pay for sex attitude! WE DONT WANNA HEAR IT! TAKE THAT SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE! if you dont fucking pay for sex then don't be surprised when the girls look a little ... BROKE! :geek:
Holy fuck this is dumb. Are you drunk? Tranny chasing cockhounds are the ones that are most likely to pay.

Just because someone enjoys the company of a TS doesn't mean it is their duty to spend money for time with TS escorts. And it doesn't mean they are broke either.

For example, over here in Thailand the company of an escort on average costs 1500 to 2500 baht ($50 to $85 US). That's for a great shag in your hotel room with a young and beautiful ladyboy. So seeing an escort is actually a lot cheaper than maintaining a long term relationship.

So if seeing an escort occasionally is the only intimacy someone is able to afford that indicates they are a broke loser. The wealthy guys over here have a wife and kids, a young girlfriend on the side, and enjoy paying for sex with escorts. Which I think is revolting behavior.

[Chris in LA]

I will never pay for sex...why would I? The only guys who pay for sex are either in a relationship and dont want to get caught cheating or are creepy trolls who can't pull a girl so they have to shell out $ to get laid...I dont fit in either category....i'm tall, gl, have a perfect cock, know how to use it, am cool and have more game than you obviously could ever dream of...it has nothing to do with anything else you brought up....

[nicebrn]

Well, paying for sex is also degrading to ones own humanity - for some of us.. (or some of us see it this way) Also I see it as degrading the humanity of another..

But everyone do what you like, not meaning to condemn you girls at all, but that is just why I do not take part in such transactions..

If you are interested in hearing the explanation for this, it is that I am thinking no one should have to give any goods (or money), in order to receive a feeling of being loved, or to be able to make love to someone..(for a moment)
Why? Also, can you even be "degraded" when it's happening of your own free will?

If you don't work, you don't eat. Selling my IT, customer service, copy-editing and salesmanship skills might seem degrading to my humanity too by that logic. I've done all of that, and just because those are all intangible skills rather than my body doesn't make it any better in my opinion. At the end of the day, I still have to transform something that's personal and precious to me into a commodity in order to survive, when ideally I'd prefer to use my skills in some other way and for other rewards.

But this is not an ideal world.

Anyway, I don't think anyone sane is deluded enough to believe that seeing a an escort has anything to do with love or even "making love." You're paying for a certain level of time to get off in whatever way at your own convenience, and you're paying for the privilege of having this not interfere with the rest of your life. If you think it's about more than convenience, discretion and/or fantasy fulfillment (and "fantasy" has an extremely broad definition), you're missing the point.

If you want love, get a girlfriend--and then be prepared to pay in other less obvious ways. One way or the other, love costs...since we're being "real."

(The Onion has a rather cynical take on this subject (http://www.theonion.com/articles/housewife-charged-in-sexforsecurity-scam,1773/). I'm not quite that cynical, but I see where they're going.)


The only guys who pay for sex are either in a relationship and dont want to get caught cheating or are creepy trolls who can't pull a girl so they have to shell out $ to get laid...There's a whole other range of possible options there....

[Ryz]

hmm... giving my money away to someone who isn't into me... How compelling

[fred41]

hmm... giving my money away to someone who isn't into me... How compelling

I bet Charlie Sheen never says this.....lol.

[yodajazz]

Why? Also, can you even be "degraded" when it's happening of your own free will?
...
If you want love, get a girlfriend--and then be prepared to pay in other less obvious ways. One way or the other, love costs...since we're being "real."
...
There's a whole other range of possible options there....

Good post.

There is no such thing as free sex. Case in point: Once at work, a young woman enticed me with an offer of some sex play. However I ended up doing all sorts of favors, such as dropping her off across town to get her hair done, picking up the kids from the sitters, etc. Then I had my own family to deal with. Life got so complicated, I was relieved when it was over.

A woman needs a man to fulfill her needs. After sex needs, are taken care of, she is going to want help with her life, financially, and emotional support; like being there when she goes to visit relatives. It may start off free, but then she will start getting upset, if you dont do something nice for Valentine's Day, birthday's, Christmas, etc. Then household items start to break down, or her car needs servicing. She wants to get her hair done, to 'look good for you'; especially when she see's you looking at other women, who happen to just had their hair done.

Women are smart enough to see a young buck, they know is poor, and use him for sexual needs, just for fun. But once they figure out, you have any money, and are able to help them out, even if it is just taxi service, things go to another level.

[nonnonnon]

you know what I don't like? loud chewers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8337522/Man-shot-dead-for-eating-popcorn-too-loudly-during-Black-Swan.html

[wendell]

I can't believe some of the posts on this thread. Paying for sex is a choice neither moral or immoral just a choice or preference for casual sexual encounters. It is not in any way a prerequisite with having sex with or having any other sort of relationship with someone who is transgendered. Constantly implying or indeed outright stating it is smacks of one's own insecurity over paying.

Incidentally there is such a thing as free sex just make sure you pick the right partner. If someone is mature, has sexual needs and desires and theres a mutual attraction coupled with openess about the casual nature of what you are doing then it is remarkably easy to indulge, trust me on this. I suppose it's just conceivable someone could make the argument that ejaculating is apying as it leaves your body with a protein deficit that you have to build up but I think you'll agree that's stretching the term pay somewhat.