I herd the religion of Peace, Islam, committed an Armenian Genocide

[PomonaCA]

And that many years ago, they kicked a bunch of Armenians out of the armed services all on account of a nigga wasn't Muslim.

You got to hand it to those muzzies, the niggas keep it real.

YouTube - Armenian Genocide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SubQE4KCGac)

[Stavros]

Except that the Turks who did it were mostly atheists whose role models were modernising Germans and Americans [lol]-their leaders like 'Ataturk' banned oriental dress like the Fez, banned the teaching of religion in schools from the 1920s, and also killed Jews and anyone who didnt join up to the Nation -why do you think the Kurds have had nearly 100 years of oppression? Islam had nothing to do it, but I guess you are on a mission to replace the Red Terror of the 1950s with the latest flavour of the month...

[PomonaCA]

Except that the Turks who did it were mostly atheists whose role models were modernising Germans and Americans [lol]-their leaders like 'Ataturk' banned oriental dress like the Fez, banned the teaching of religion in schools from the 1920s, and also killed Jews and anyone who didnt join up to the Nation -why do you think the Kurds have had nearly 100 years of oppression? Islam had nothing to do it, but I guess you are on a mission to replace the Red Terror of the 1950s with the latest flavour of the month...


You got that right. I'm on a mission.

[Prospero]

This stuff should be - at the vry least - in the politics forum. But Pomona seems to be on a Nazi mission which should put him outta this forum altogether. As Stavros pointed out the Armenian genocide was conducted by Turkey after Kemal Ataturk took over and banned the public practice of islam.
Mass murder isn't the preserve of any single religion I'm afraid.

[PomonaCA]

Oh noes! Aethists surely couldn't have committed genocide. Ain't they all edjamacated?

[Helvis2012]

Yeah, the problems is, the whole argument is not in its proper context. If your assertion were true, then I suppose all nations states that are predominantly Christian also share a bloody legacy of murder due to their involvement in the Crusades, and later, the Inquisition, not to mention all the antisemitic persecutions that took place within those states.
See? Not a very productive or even realistic way of interpreting history. Islam is not the enemy. Those who twist the peaceful messages of the Qur'an into hate are to blame. If we in the West attack all Muslims for their religion, we are playing into the hands of the radical Islamists, who want all Muslims to believe the West hates them because of a hatred of Islam. This is not true. Here, in the United States, we have many Muslim American communities filled with people who love this nation as much as anyone else. I agree with you that we need to be on guard, but the first step to winning this war has to begin with a proper identification of who, exactly the enemy is. Pious Muslims, living their lives are not the problem. Power hungry radicals who misinterpret religion as a justification for tyranny and violence are. Those people are the real threat.

[PomonaCA]

Please read the biography of Mohammed if you want to see the roots of Islam. He was a horrible man.

[Silcc69]

Please read the biography of Mohammed if you want to see the roots of Islam. He was a horrible man.

What religion are you?

[PomonaCA]

What religion are you?


What religion are YOU?

[Helvis2012]

Please read the biography of Mohammed if you want to see the roots of Islam. He was a horrible man.

Ironically, and sadly enough too, here we have a stark example of the closed mindedness that characterizes the problem from both sides.
Are you trying to say all Muslims are bad people because Muhammad was a "horrible man?" What about all the Muslims who lead productive, law-abiding and peaceful lives? Should they pay for the sins of lunatics who are trying to hijack a whole religion in order to accomplish their earthly deeds? Doesn't seem fair to me. In fact, it's downright unAmerican.

[PomonaCA]

Ironically, and sadly enough too, here we have a stark example of the closed mindedness that characterizes the problem from both sides.
Are you trying to say all Muslims are bad people because Muhammad was a "horrible man?" What about all the Muslims who lead productive, law-abiding and peaceful lives? Should they pay for the sins of lunatics who are trying to hijack a whole religion in order to accomplish their earthly deeds? Doesn't seem fair to me. In fact, it's downright unAmerican.


I'm saying that if you want to put all religions on par, then we ought to start looking at the men who founded them.... say, Mohammed for example.

[PomonaCA]

I'm saying that if you want to put all religions on par, then we ought to start looking at the men who founded them.... say, Mohammed for example.


or Al Gore

[Helvis2012]

Please read the biography of Mohammed if you want to see the roots of Islam. He was a horrible man.


or Al Gore

I have to tell you, you're a funny guy. You say some pretty heavy things but refuse to engage. And then you follow up with a dumb remark. How do you think your last comment makes you look? You don't like Al Gore either, huh? What a surprise. Unfortunately, I have to tell you, when you compare Al Gore to a very real threat of violence from a small minority of radical Islamists, your words lose all authority. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously?
You should adjust the scope of your view and recognize the problem. Radical Islamic fascists seek to gain power and influence through violence and coercion. Identifying them and making a very public argument against them is a powerful tool to weaken their efforts. If we let the radicals define the argument, as we have done in the past, then all Muslims will believe the West is against them, when we are surely not. We've already suffered grave consequences for letting the enemy define the argument. Why give them what they want?

[russtafa]

I say we bring back the inquisition .They were fun times with lots of laughs and you get to wear funny outfits.

[PomonaCA]

I have to tell you, you're a funny guy. You say some pretty heavy things but refuse to engage. And then you follow up with a dumb remark. How do you think your last comment makes you look? You don't like Al Gore either, huh? What a surprise. Unfortunately, I have to tell you, when you compare Al Gore to a very real threat of violence from a small minority of radical Islamists, your words lose all authority. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously?
You should adjust the scope of your view and recognize the problem. Radical Islamic fascists seek to gain power and influence through violence and coercion. Identifying them and making a very public argument against them is a powerful tool to weaken their efforts. If we let the radicals define the argument, as we have done in the past, then all Muslims will believe the West is against them, when we are surely not. We've already suffered grave consequences for letting the enemy define the argument. Why give them what they want?

Oh so I have authority now? Sweet!

And Al Gore is just as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous than radical muzzies. His climate-fear-mongering is yet another liberal religion aimed at stealing the freedoms of men. Quite frankly, I'd rather have a nuclear 9-11 than live in bondage under fundamentalist enviro-monkeys.

[AlternateName]

im not an athiest, i believe in a god, and that there are many gods under him working for him, like a celestial government. I know that sounds crazy but perhaps we a as human race had it right in ancient times before the advent of christianity and islam.

I believe the organized religions we have today, are nothing more than scoundrels using organized religion as their tool to facilitate whatever dark geo-political agendas they have to stay in power, as well as creating mistrust, genocide, and intolerance towards others. So i stay away from all of that and not subscribe to any cult or organized religion. Cuz none of it has anything to do with god period.

[Silcc69]

im not an athiest, i believe in a god, and that there are many gods under him working for him, like a celestial government. I know that sounds crazy but perhaps we a as human race had it right in ancient times before the advent of christianity and islam.

I believe the organized religions we have today, are nothing more than scoundrels using organized religion as their tool to facilitate whatever dark geo-political agendas they have to stay in power, as well as creating mistrust, genocide, and intolerance towards others. So i stay away from all of that and not subscribe to any cult or organized religion. Cuz none of it has anything to do with god period.

Zeus!

[AlternateName]

hahaha, yea, Zues. You just reminded me though, i've been really getting into the History channels ancient alien programs, that stuff sounds so over the top crazy, but in comparison to all the fairytale-like bible stories, its way more plausible cuz its more in context to within the known laws of physics and when put through the misunderstood technology filter, it makes all those old genesis stories as well as the ancient Greek and Roman myths actually make sense.

[Silcc69]

This is for good ole PomonaCA



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States



Beginning after the Civil War, the Protestant-led, white supremacist (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/White_supremacy) Ku Klux Klan (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan) members in the Southern United States (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Southern_United_States) engaged in arson (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Arson), beatings, cross burning (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Cross_burning), destruction of property, lynching (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Lynching), murder (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Murder), rape (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Rape), tar-and-feathering (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Tar-and-feathering), and whipping against African Americans (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/African_American), Jews, Catholics and other social or ethnic minorities.[citation needed (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Army_of_God_%28USA%29) began executing attacks against abortion clinics (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Abortion_clinic) and doctors (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Physician) across the United States.[49] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-48)[50] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-wp19950117-49)[51] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-50) A number of terrorist attacks, were accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Christian_Identity) and Christian Patriot (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Christian_Patriot_movement) movements; including the Lambs of Christ (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/The_Lambs_of_Christ).[52] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-inside-51) A group called Concerned Christians (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Concerned_Christians) were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Jerusalem) at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Suicide_by_cop) would "lead them to heaven."[53] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-52)[54] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-53) The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Scott_Roeder) murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/George_Tiller) on May 31, 2009 was religious.[55] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-54)
Hutaree (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Hutaree) was a Christian (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Christianity) militia group (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Militia_movement) based in Adrian (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Adrian,_Michigan), Michigan (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Michigan). In 2010, after an FBI (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/FBI) agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Sedition) to use of improvised explosive devices (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Improvised_explosive_device), teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[56] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-charged-55)
Timothy McVeigh (http://www.hungangels.com/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh) said that he adhered to "core" Catholic beliefs,[57] (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/#cite_note-pcoletime-56) but also described himself as an agnostic

[thombergeron]

My new working theory is that PomonaCA is actually Markos Moulitsas. There's no way he could be serious with the shit he posts here. It's gotta be an elaborate ruse to portray religious conservatives as unhinged ignorant sociopaths who are into tranny pr0n.

[Helvis2012]

My new working theory is that PomonaCA is actually Markos Moulitsas. There's no way he could be serious with the shit he posts here. It's gotta be an elaborate ruse to portray religious conservatives as unhinged ignorant sociopaths who are into tranny pr0n.


You should thank Fox News instead.

[onmyknees]

You should thank Fox News instead.

Not to worry Helvis....Al Gore's cable Network ( Current TV) is soon to show up on your cable provider, so you can get all the bilge you need in one place, and ...I hear Olbermann will be joining him there. You can watch it and cheer right along, and Pomona can watch it to get some new material !! At least they'll have 2 viewers ! I just checked..I think it's station 997 on my cable box !!!!! LMAO

[Helvis2012]

HA HA HA HA! That's some astute logic you employ.
Congratulations.

[MrF]

Nice try, Helvis2012, and I agree with you mostly, but it seems hardly worth the effort, does it ?

BTW, Bertrand Russel advocated some famous positions against Christianity, arguing that it was responsible for a lot of bad things in the world, like abuse of power, atrocities in the name of Christ, and such. I remember at the time thinking that it's not really the fault of religion per se, but rather human nature. The misuse of power is universal to all religions. Religions are just the framework. Actually, religions are mostly very positive constructs in my opinion, though I don't subscribe to any because I'm not that easily convinced about a set of ancient, scientifically unproven assertions. Yet, their positive impact is to explain the unknown to those who want to believe, and to ease the fear of death, and to give a foundation to morality. However, morality doesn't need religion, but when it's wrapped up in a system of belief it's more powerful. The differences in religions have more to do with local culture and are arbitrary.

[giovanni_hotel]

Stop watching Faux News Pomona, and stop pretending Glenn Beck is a 'professor' because he writes in chalk.

The greatest threat to this country IMO is the millions of Faux New viewers who lap up the drivel on that network and assume it's 'factual'.

[Stavros]

Surely the key point is that having initiated a discussion about the fate of the Armenians as the Ottoman Empire was falling apart and modern Turkey was emerging with its anti-Religious modernising agenda which meant rubbing out alternative identities to Turkish nationalism, within four or five posts this thread just became an attempt to recruit people/annoy people with an anti-Islamic programme... Pomona you could do this with any historical or political topic just add history to the debate as if it was so much salt with no attention to recorded facts and then get to the meat in your goulash which is hate, and this in a forum dedicated to the transgender community which has suffered from hate and hate crimes for too long already. We are here to entertain, inform and educate on transgender issues and people, let's not lose focus on the main event and shunt this pointless topic to Politics & Religion.

[PomonaCA]

Surely the key point is that having initiated a discussion about the fate of the Armenians as the Ottoman Empire was falling apart and modern Turkey was emerging with its anti-Religious modernising agenda which meant rubbing out alternative identities to Turkish nationalism, within four or five posts this thread just became an attempt to recruit people/annoy people with an anti-Islamic programme... Pomona you could do this with any historical or political topic just add history to the debate as if it was so much salt with no attention to recorded facts and then get to the meat in your goulash which is hate, and this in a forum dedicated to the transgender community which has suffered from hate and hate crimes for too long already. We are here to entertain, inform and educate on transgender issues and people, let's not lose focus on the main event and shunt this pointless topic to Politics & Religion.

Someone break out the tranny-selfpity.

Look kiddo, I dated transwomen back before your mommy scolded you for lusting after non-greek pale skin bitches. There is no need for your condescending pity for the tranny commmunity.

Quite frankly, the community has seen enough of you biters.

[Stavros]

Decency, not pity, and as usual, nothing to do with the topic of the thread that you initiated in order to transform the forum into a run-down bar on Mean Street USA -there are alternatives to this; even you must be capable of working them out.

[onmyknees]

Stop watching Faux News Pomona, and stop pretending Glenn Beck is a 'professor' because he writes in chalk.

The greatest threat to this country IMO is the millions of Faux New viewers who lap up the drivel on that network and assume it's 'factual'.

Another guy watching the bullshit the 3 major networks have fed us since Rather, and thinking it wasn't laced with opinion. Wasn't he proof enough? LMAO. Sorry but thier gig is up. Most people get thier news and opinion from a variety of sources....you should try it ! Ignorance is the real danger.
Say it slowly....Beck's show is opinion based similar to thousands of political internet blogs....and no different than the Op-Ed pages of the NYT or Washington Post. I tune him in on ocassion and hear him say repeatidly "do your own research...don't take my word for it"...Anything he reports as fact is easily verifiable, or disproved with a few key strokes to Nexus Lexus, or Bing. The rest is opinion , which the last time I checked...he's entitled to state no matter how far fetched.
If he's as bad as you maintain, the marketplace has a way of sorting that out. The first Amendment is a beautiful thing, until somebody says smoething you don't like !!!!!!!!!!

[Silcc69]

Actually all 4 major networks feed us BS. So it's not just MSNBC or Fox

YouTube - Media FAIL Again: Ahmadinejad & 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABveHYugEkk)

[PomonaCA]

Decency, not pity, and as usual, nothing to do with the topic of the thread that you initiated in order to transform the forum into a run-down bar on Mean Street USA -there are alternatives to this; even you must be capable of working them out.

The second half of your post was condescending pity. Don't try and turn it into a post about decency.

[Warn]

Yes, killin' Indians is not a genocide.
Why don't you just look at yourselves?

[Jackal]

The Koran may not be nonviolent but have you read the Bible? Have you killed any witches lately as the Bible commands? Do you know the difference between herd and heard?

[thombergeron]

Do you know the difference between herd and heard?

That is high-larious on numerous levels.

[onmyknees]

The Koran may not be nonviolent but have you read the Bible? Have you killed any witches lately as the Bible commands? Do you know the difference between herd and heard?


I know the difference between an atheist, and an Christian hater !!!!! I think we're dealing with the later here !!!! LMAO

[rockabilly]

*scoffs* We all know the religion of peace is Jedi.

[onmyknees]

*scoffs* We all know the religion of peace is Jedi.

:iagree::iagree:

[thombergeron]

*scoffs* We all know the religion of peace is Jedi.

You know, I really have to say that I am in total awe of your ability to always take the high road and be the nice guy. Sincerely, if you offered a course, I would take it.

[rockabilly]

It's tempting to be a jerk sometimes but honestly what would it prove?

I prefer to treat people how i want to be treated , it's a simpler way to live.

:shrug

[rockabilly]

Anyway , laughter is the best medicine and HA needs to chuckle more.

[Caff_Racer]

Anyway , laughter is the best medicine and HA needs to chuckle more.


:iagree:

Well said that man!

[Jackal]

I know the difference between an atheist, and an Christian hater !!!!! I think we're dealing with the later here !!!! LMAO

I don't hate Christians, I just put Christianity up there with crystal worship and alchemy....bollocks.

[Jackal]

I know the difference between an atheist, and an Christian hater !!!!! I think we're dealing with the later here !!!! LMAO


I think you are another person commenting on a book they have never read

http://scripturetext.com/exodus/22-18.htm

The Bible advocates violence: FACT. Most Christians live upstanding lives, but that's because they ignore some of the Bible just like Muslims do with the Koran

[jamesedwards]

And that many years ago, they kicked a bunch of Armenians out of the armed services all on account of a nigga wasn't Muslim.

You got to hand it to those muzzies, the niggas keep it real.

YouTube - Armenian Genocide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SubQE4KCGac)

Islam had nothing to do with it. Do you even read?