Does anybody personally know a legally married TS?

[BenDundat]

:)????

[BellaBellucci]

You mean man/TS marriage, right? Of course you realize that more than a few of us are divorced from women.

And no.

~BB~

[ARMANIXXX]

This is actually a good question.

But is the OP referring to Pre op, Post op, or both?

Once a TS goes post op, it does become easier for her to be legally classified as a woman by law in alot of states (not all).

Also, In California, it's a bit easier for pre ops to get their gender changed to F, such as from the DMV.


But yeah....this is kind of a good question, because I've never met a TS that was legally married.

[FreddieGomez]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....

[Miss Fagina]

Yes, several! Not in the US though.

[Jackal]

I'd be involved in a LTR with a transwoman, but I have never met a married one. I know of guys who are in LTR but cannot marry legally yet in their state.

[fred41]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....

Generally the first time you meet ANYONE, you are drawn to them by a physical attraction...once you get past that you get to know the person and if you click, you can begin a relationship. That's the same for almost any relationship.
Whatever two people do in a bedroom generally stays in the bedroom. Outside of the bedroom you are a couple just like any other couple.

[amberskyi]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....

your a fucking bitch.thats it,i officially hate you.
by the way a pics of me and my ex.despite some flaws he's a great guy and one of my best friends still.he's the one relationship i had thats really restored/kept my faith that there are some good niggas left.he's from the hood just like you and me.so yea its possible for someone to love me despite me being a ts you fucking prick.

[FreddieGomez]

your a fucking bitch.thats it,i officially hate you.
by the way a pics of me and my ex.despite some flaws he's a great guy and one of my best friends still.he's the one relationship i had thats really restored/kept my faith that there are some good niggas left.he's from the hood just like you and me.so yea its possible for someone to love me despite me being a ts you fucking prick.

hold up....DID I SAY ME SPECIFICALLY? I'm referring to half the dudes on this forum who only see trannies as a walkin dick! they aint gonna see a trannie as a wifey...they jus want the dick and after awhile they on the next one.....

[amberskyi]

hold up....DID I SAY ME SPECIFICALLY? I'm referring to half the dudes on this forum who only see trannies as a walkin dick! they aint gonna see a trannie as a wifey...they jus want the dick and after awhile they on the next one.....

and you think your any better nigga? what ts have you wifed up or at least tried to be friends with???

[FreddieGomez]

and you think your any better nigga? what ts have you wifed up or at least tried to be friends with???

i dont think i'm better than nobody, but when have u seen me thirsty over trannie dick?? and i thought we was friends....i guess not? lol

[TsVanessa69]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....
You dont need to worry you sound like an ass.
We date, we have relationships and we get married.
I know a few ts MARRIED to their men.
this thread proves how far the men of HA are from reality.
Its sad. And pathetic at the same time.
Theses men claim to admire ts and didnt even know we get married.

[TsVanessa69]

hold up....DID I SAY ME SPECIFICALLY? I'm referring to half the dudes on this forum who only see trannies as a walkin dick! they aint gonna see a trannie as a wifey...they jus want the dick and after awhile they on the next one.....
We don't deal with dudes on the forum.
We deal with the real men in the real world who date woman.
You clearly don't fit into that catagory!
Every time you post you show how ignorant you really are.

[scroller]

Does anybody personally know a legally married TS?

I do, not a close friend, and probably not the way you mean; a coworker who's trans-lesbian. "He" got married to a woman and shortly thereafter had gender reassignment. So they're two women, married. Not part of this scene here in any way.

[nonnonnon]

katelynn from Real World is planning her wedding it looks like
http://k8mnstr.livejournal.com/277796.html

I'll probably marry soon. This butterfly stuff isn't for me for a lot of reasons like stds!

[Silcc69]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....

Boy u sure know how to make urself look like an complete ass.

[FreddieGomez]

Boy u sure know how to make urself look like an complete ass.

ya'll dont realize i aint refering to myself right? i was sayin IN GENERAL most dudes, particularly on this forum, are only into trannies for their dicks and nothing else......................

[fred41]

ya'll dont realize i aint refering to myself right? i was sayin IN GENERAL most dudes, particularly on this forum, are only into trannies for their dicks and nothing else......................

Just out of curiosity...what are you into them for?

[FreddieGomez]

Just out of curiosity...what are you into them for?

Why do i have to justify WHY? not all trannies like to top and not all dudes into trannies like to bottom...so for the trannie chicks who don't like to top i'm right here.....Never once have i said anything about wanting dick...if i wanted dick so bad i'd just get another dude....i like trannies who are 110% passable with titties, hips, BOOTIE, and thighs....the dick is optional....i know it's there but it's not the first thing i notice or care about....

[uchetal]

your a fucking bitch.thats it,i officially hate you.
by the way a pics of me and my ex.despite some flaws he's a great guy and one of my best friends still.he's the one relationship i had thats really restored/kept my faith that there are some good niggas left.he's from the hood just like you and me.so yea its possible for someone to love me despite me being a ts you fucking prick.


Amberskyi, This gentleman is a lucky man.

[uchetal]

Let me rephrase that... a fortunate man.

[Silcc69]

Why do i have to justify WHY? not all trannies like to top and not all dudes into trannies like to bottom...so for the trannie chicks who don't like to top i'm right here.....Never once have i said anything about wanting dick...if i wanted dick so bad i'd just get another dude....i like trannies who are 110% passable with titties, hips, BOOTIE, and thighs....the dick is optional....i know it's there but it's not the first thing i notice or care about....

But do you really need to stress that I mean we all know that you are a top so am I. But you dont need to beat a dead horse over and over and over again.

[uchetal]

I am talking about the gentleman in the pictures with you!

[fred41]

Why do i have to justify WHY? not all trannies like to top and not all dudes into trannies like to bottom...so for the trannie chicks who don't like to top i'm right here.....Never once have i said anything about wanting dick...if i wanted dick so bad i'd just get another dude....i like trannies who look 110% passable and have hips, ass, and thighs....the dick is optional....i know it's there but it's not the first thing i notice or care about....

My point is, you stated you can't have anyone in your hood knowing you with TS, so then dating would be out of the question...so that means that your ONLY interest is to maybe hook up some free tranny ass...without anyone knowing. So then you aren't any better than any of the guys on here who are just "about the cock".

[FreddieGomez]

But do you really need to stress that I mean we all know that you are a top so am I. But you dont need to beat a dead horse over and over and over again.

but some peeps still aint gettin it...DO ALL TRANNIES LIKE TO TOP? NO, JUST LIKE NOT ALL DUDES LIKE TO BOTTOM....We're on different spectrums of sexuality..they like trannies for dick, i like them for ass....dont try to claim me in your category.....

[FreddieGomez]

My point is, you stated you can't have anyone in your hood knowing you with TS, so then dating would be out of the question...so that means that your ONLY interest is to maybe hook up some free tranny ass...without anyone knowing. So then you aren't any better than any of the guys on here who are just "about the cock".

it aint even like that...i have a son who lives with his mama most of the time, i only get him every other weekend....if she knew she would put me on blast as revenge to everybody and humiliate me....and it would jeopardize my relationship with my son....I KNOW MY OWN MOM WOULDNT CARE BECAUSE HE BROTHER IS GAY....But i don't want word getting back to my son's momma especially while he's still young....and people would THINK I'm with a trannie because i'm gay but i don't see myself as gay, they dont understand that i view trannies as women while they view them as dudes regardless.....furthermore i havent been hookin up with any trannies lately so i don't see how u would think that....

[Silcc69]

but some peeps still aint gettin it...DO ALL TRANNIES LIKE TO TOP? NO, JUST LIKE NOT ALL DUDES LIKE TO BOTTOM....We're on different spectrums of sexuality..they like trannies for dick, i like them for ass....dont try to claim me in your category.....

If I say imma top and you are a top too aren't we in the same categories?

[FreddieGomez]

If I say imma top and you are a top too aren't we in the same categories?

yo most of us black dudes into trannies are tops....it's the white dudes who want dick so bad....

[ARMANIXXX]

Why do i have to justify WHY? not all trannies like to top and not all dudes into trannies like to bottom...so for the trannie chicks who don't like to top i'm right here.....Never once have i said anything about wanting dick...if i wanted dick so bad i'd just get another dude....i like trannies who are 110% passable with titties, hips, BOOTIE, and thighs....the dick is optional....i know it's there but it's not the first thing i notice or care about....

What a min brah....

Whether you like a TS sexually for whatever physical attributes they have, and nothing else....what does that matter?

If a womanizing dude #1 likes a TS for her ass, and never looks to take her seriously, and then womanizing dude #2 Likes her tits and never looks to take her seriously, and then Womanizing dude #3 likes her for her pretty lips for oral sex and never takes her seriously, and then womanizing dude #4 likes her for her for her cock and doesn't take her seriously.......



I'm not following why any of them are different.....maybe you can explain.

[FreddieGomez]

What a min brah....

Whether you like a TS sexually for whatever physical attributes they have, and nothing else....what does that matter?

If a womanizing dude #1 likes a TS for her ass, and never looks to take her seriously, and then womanizing dude #2 Likes her tits and never looks to take her seriously, and then Womanizing dude #3 likes her for her pretty lips for oral sex and never takes her seriously, and then womanizing dude #4 likes her for her for her cock and doesn't take her seriously.......



I'm not following why any of them are different.....maybe you can explain.

i dont really womanize trannies....now gg's yes, but i'm really picky with trannies so i havent been with very many.....

[fred41]

it aint even like that...i have a son who lives with his mama most of the time, i only get him every other weekend....if she knew she would put me on blast as revenge to everybody and humiliate me....and it would jeopardize my relationship with my son....I KNOW MY OWN MOM WOULDNT CARE BECAUSE HE BROTHER IS GAY....But i don't want word getting back to my son's momma especially while he's still young....and people would THINK I'm with a trannie because i'm gay but i don't see myself as gay, they dont understand that i view trannies as women while they view them as dudes regardless.....furthermore i havent been hookin up with any trannies lately so i don't see how u would think that....

No, no..I understand all that already cause you've mentioned it before...but then why are you here on this site?

...and just because you haven't hooked up on this site doesn't necessarily mean anything...the opportunity might not have availed itself to you.

[Silcc69]

Anyways back to the subject on hand I know Ruby is getting married, And Kelly is engaged or is she married too? But I assume it would vary from state to state right?

[FreddieGomez]

No, no..I understand all that already cause you've mentioned it before...but then why are you here on this site?

...and just because you haven't hooked up on this site doesn't necessarily mean anything...the opportunity might not have availed itself to you.

because the other trannie site is intended for gay dudes and too many of them hit me up.....i dont have that problem here......

[fred41]

because the other trannie site is intended for gay dudes and too many of them hit me up.....i dont have that problem here......

...but that still doesn't answer the question...why are you on ANY tranny site?
What are you trying to accomplish? What is the point?

[nonnonnon]

to tell everyone how much he hates whities

[fred41]

to tell everyone how much he hates whities

:):)


yo most of us black dudes into trannies are tops....it's the white dudes who want dick so bad....

BTW , if you ever look at the board on TS escort sites...you'll see plenty of black guys that bottom.

[ARMANIXXX]

i dont really womanize trannies....now gg's yes, but i'm really picky with trannies so i havent been with very many.....

Right....but I'm not necessarily referring to you.

I'm referring to the point....How is one womanizing dude who wants sex different from the other dude who wants sex?

[FreddieGomez]

:):)



BTW , if you ever look at the board on TS escort sites...you'll see plenty of black guys that bottom.

i dont go to ts escort sites so i wouldnt know..

[fred41]

i dont go to ts escort sites so i wouldnt know..

Well now you know...so that statement is no longer necessary.

[rockabilly]

yo most of us black dudes into trannies are tops....it's the white dudes who want dick so bad....

Why's it always gotta come down to race?

[TsVanessa69]

and you think your any better nigga? what ts have you wifed up or at least tried to be friends with???
What ts would have self esteem that low to even make that mistake?

[TsVanessa69]

:):)



BTW , if you ever look at the board on TS escort sites...you'll see plenty of black guys that bottom.
Black men are bigger coock hounds that the white dudes
I got one flying me out to NYC just to fuck him.

[nonnonnon]

looks like tinypic deleted your signature, rockabilly
or maybe it's just me

[rockabilly]

yeah i gotta re-upload it , betta make that hound pay first class Nessa.

[Nowhere]

Look, if you're talking the entirely legal aspect of it for a pre-op transgender woman and a man, it's going to be relatively rare, because you need to have the laws in place recognizing a trans woman as a woman without SRS, and that's only present in a handful of countries like Spain and Argentina.

There are quite a few married post-op trans women, but I think there are a lot less than what could be, since it's outright insulting to a trans woman to have to marry a man under a 'gay' marriage law, since that's a man and a man, and denying her ability to be recognized as a woman. But, either way, many of those girls are in stealth, like Nikki Araguz, since prejudice seems to be even worse for married trans women than unmarried, so we'll never really know how many.

I'm quite sure a google search will come up with plenty of results...

[BellaBellucci]

i mean not to sound like an ass but arent trannies just fetishes to most men anyway? it's kinda hard to turn something you fetishize into a relationship....

Excuse me a moment while I feign shock at your ignorant comment.






:shock:

OK, cool. I'm all set now.

~BB~

[TsVanessa69]

Look, if you're talking the entirely legal aspect of it for a pre-op transgender woman and a man, it's going to be relatively rare, because you need to have the laws in place recognizing a trans woman as a woman without SRS, and that's only present in a handful of countries like Spain and Argentina.

There are quite a few married post-op trans women, but I think there are a lot less than what could be, since it's outright insulting to a trans woman to have to marry a man under a 'gay' marriage law, since that's a man and a man, and denying her ability to be recognized as a woman. But, either way, many of those girls are in stealth, like Nikki Araguz, since prejudice seems to be even worse for married trans women than unmarried, so we'll never really know how many.

I'm quite sure a google search will come up with plenty of results...
I know about 5 pre op ts with no intentions of ever altering their genitals who are legally married

[Silcc69]

I know about 5 pre op ts with no intentions of ever altering their genitals who are legally married

What states do they live in?

[BellaBellucci]

I know about 5 pre op ts with no intentions of ever altering their genitals who are legally married

That may be so but it's also likely that, unless they are in a same-sex marriage state, that fraud was involved, which is fine, as long as the man in the relationship or a family member doesn't want to challenge the validity of the marriage later on down the road. If that happens, your friends will likely get nothing in the event of divorce or death. Sad but true. :(

~BB~

[LittleGuy]

We don't deal with dudes on the forum.
We deal with the real men in the real world who date woman.
You clearly don't fit into that catagory!
Every time you post you show how ignorant you really are.

How do you know you've never seen anybody on here?

[Shadow0978s]

There are loop-holes. Some states really don't define what a sex change operation is. In some states it was legally considered any operation that would permanently change some ones appearance. Hence a breast job was technically a "sex change" operation.

[nonnonnon]

how hard is it to fraud? hypothetically, of course

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Everything's 'legal' 'til you get caught!!!

[theone1982]

No. But I would be interested in knowing some just to see how the dynamic works.

[Shadow0978s]

Short answer, yes I know a legally married transwoman.

[blckhaze]

I know a few.
All depends on how nice of a dr or judge u get in some states.

[TJ347]

There's currently a TS in New Jersey fighting to get her share of her late husband's estate. While I don't personally know her, I know that her marriage appears to have been considered legal right up to where her husband's will was challenged by his ex-wife and the children from that previous marriage. Guess time will tell whether New Jersey recognizes the marriage as legal now.

[theone1982]

There's currently a TS in New Jersey fighting to get her share of her late husband's estate. While I don't personally know her, I know that her marriage appears to have been considered legal right up to where her husband's will was challenged by his ex-wife and the children from that previous marriage. Guess time will tell whether New Jersey recognizes the marriage as legal now.

Interesting. Was she legally considered a woman?

[alyssaluxor]

Yes I know many TS friends of mine who are legally married

[archineer]

Yeah I know a few- One post op who's married to a banker guys much older than her (guess what she sees in him), my ex girlfriend who married a Muslim guy she met on haj- she hasen't told him she's ts and most likely he'd kill her if he found out. Another post op who goes to the wayout club alot (shes a singer there) i've never met her husband though, theres this other girl who goes there as well who i've really got a thing for- shame she's taken. Also nother pre op girl who's getting married- to a guy whos actually her own age and not super rich! She's stunning- model calibre so theres a first ;)

All the others I know that are married just did so to get a visa... hmmm. Civil partnership (gay marriage) is legal here, and ts' can change their legal gender regardless of whether they've had srs or not. In fact I had an argument with the last girl I was seeing about whether my singer friend was married or not, because she didn't believe me ts' could get legally married here. She kept saying it was either civil partnership or she was a ggirl. still kept arguing even when my friend told her she was married and a ts. Batshit crazy woman- can't stand to loose an argument.:screwy

[peggygee]

As a post op woman who has been legally married, I feel that I am able to address a few issues, and perhaps shed some additional light on the topic under discussion.

Currently, if a woman is a pre op transsexual and gets married in a state that allows it, that would be deemed a same sex marriage, or in some instances a civil union.

If she is post op and has had her birth certificate amended that would constitute a mariage between a man and a woman, as such the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) does not apply to post op women.

If you have had your birth certificate amended, you would be allowed to marry in all of the states exept: Idaho, Ohio, and Tennessee.

These are also a number of countries that allow a post op woman to marry: France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, South Africa, China, Singapore, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, Iran, to name a few.

[deangamble1967]

Yes, and in response to some answers re post or pre op that is irrelevent in many european countries. You can legally change your gender now and marry without having to have an operation

[Jake4]

As a post op woman who has been legally married, I feel that I am able to address a few issues, and perhaps shed some additional light on the topic under discussion.

Currently, if a woman is a pre op transsexual and gets married in a state that allows it, that would be deemed a same sex marriage, or in some instances a civil union.

If she is post op and has had her birth certificate amended that would constitute a mariage between a man and a woman, as such the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) does not apply to post op women.

If you have had your birth certificate amended, you would be allowed to marry in all of the states exept: Idaho, Ohio, and Tennessee.

These are also a number of countries that allow a post op woman to marry: France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, South Africa, China, Singapore, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, Iran, to name a few.

It's been legal in Canada for several years for a transsexual woman to get married to a man or a woman regardless of whether or not she has had SRS.

[TJ347]

Interesting. Was she legally considered a woman?

She had SRS and legally changed her name before marrying, and from what I've gathered so far there was no issue whatsoever until her husband died. At that point, his ex and children contested his will, and somehow their lawyers are using a copy of her original birth certificate to prove the marriage invalid. I'm anxious to see how this shakes out, as it will establish whether the law really recognizes a person who undergoes SRS as a member of another gender. I suspect the answer here will be "no".

Did a google search...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/20/nikki-araguz-transgender_n_653129.html

[peggygee]

There's currently a TS in New Jersey fighting to get her share of her late husband's estate. While I don't personally know her, I know that her marriage appears to have been considered legal right up to where her husband's will was challenged by his ex-wife and the children from that previous marriage. Guess time will tell whether New Jersey recognizes the marriage as legal now.


She had SRS and legally changed her name before marrying, and from what I've gathered so far there was no issue whatsoever until her husband died. At that point, his ex and children contested his will, and somehow their lawyers are using a copy of her original birth certificate to prove the marriage invalid. I'm anxious to see how this shakes out, as it will establish whether the law really recognizes a person who undergoes SRS as a member of another gender. I suspect the answer here will be "no".

Did a google search...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/20/nikki-araguz-transgender_n_653129.html


As you pointed out in your second post, the lawsuit in question is occurring in Texas as opposed to New Jersey.

I have been following the case as well, and one of the areas of contention is that she may have been pre op when they married, and then subsequently had GRS.

In the state of Texas it would have been illegal for her to marry a biological male while she was pre op.

Further, Texas had been one of only four states that a post op transwoman could not be married in, the other three were: Idaho, Ohio, and Tennessee, as stated in my previous post.

However, in 2009 lawmakers changed the Texas family code to permit an applicant for a marriage license to use a sex change court order to nullify the birth certificate gender. The new law also allows a driver's license to serve as proof of identity and age.

Thus "Texas law now says you can get a marriage license after a sex change".

The two key questions to be adjudicated in the Nikki Araguz case are:

1. Was she legally a female at the time of her marriage.

2. Will the 2009 ruling apply to the August 2008 marriage of Nikki to Thomas Araguz

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-newspaper/texas-news/texas-ag-asked-to-rule-on-transgender-marriage/

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/100818-understanding-transgender-marriage-in-texas-law

[TJ347]

My understanding from what I've read thus far is that her husband became aware that she had been born a man several months after their marriage, at which point they separated permanently. Also, I recall reading from some site or other that she had SRS prior to marriage, and changed her name around that time as well. Of course, I don't know if any of this is in fact true, though I would think her late husband wouldn't have walked down the aisle with her only to later leave her upon finding out she once had a penis. I suppose time will tell. It's a very interesting story, one way or another.

[peggygee]

My understanding from what I've read thus far is that her husband became aware that she had been born a man several months after their marriage, at which point they separated permanently. Also, I recall reading from some site or other that she had SRS prior to marriage, and changed her name around that time as well. Of course, I don't know if any of this is in fact true, though I would think her late husband wouldn't have walked down the aisle with her only to later leave her upon finding out she once had a penis. I suppose time will tell.

It's a very interesting story, one way or another.


My thought on that is that they most likely seperated for the usual stuff couples do.

As you point out perhaps none of us will ever know the complete facts and truth of the case.

But yeah, could make a great movie for the Lifetime Network.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_isUvlzkZPIQ/SmntXoi_J0I/AAAAAAAAE9A/f0yttUXjbHA/s320/network_lifetime.jpg

[palomo7531]

I was just wondering if any TS have been married in the last five years? Plus did any of them marry women before they transitioned?

[KelliBlueEyes]

I was just wondering if any TS have been married in the last five years? Plus did any of them marry women before they transitioned?

I know trans women that have married women since they transitioned, in fact one that i know is a former sex worker in nyc that had, in the past, been mentioned on the recently removed Escort forum here.
I know trans women that have married men, both before and after the change in the marriage laws. Trans women had always been able to marry men once they got “all their Fs”, now that same sex marriage is legal, trans women can legally marry women.

I also know trans men who have married men, women, and other trans men.

Marriage of trans is nothing new, and relatively unspectacular

[BTAM]

Nope but I think a friend is in an ltr with one..but she’s really cute tho