Bad Parents

[JamesHunt]

should the parents of criminal juvenile's be sent to prison for not parenting them correctly?

[trish]

You'd have to pass a law first that defines bad parenting and makes it a crime punishable by a stint in prison. That would be more government encroachment into areas of life that used to be reserved for family. I don't think you'd even get Rick Santorum on board.

[russtafa]

i think the parents should be done like cats for the good of the community

[Odelay]

You'd have to pass a law first that defines bad parenting and makes it a crime punishable by a stint in prison. That would be more government encroachment into areas of life that used to be reserved for family. I don't think you'd even get Rick Santorum on board.

LMAO. I think Santorum would be torn, seriously. On the one hand, as you say, he wouldn't look kindly on the government defining what bad parenting is. On the other, he would absolutely love being in a position of power to force his own moral views on others.

I'd say it would be a tossup on whether he'd accept the job if offered.

[onmyknees]

LMAO. I think Santorum would be torn, seriously. On the one hand, as you say, he wouldn't look kindly on the government defining what bad parenting is. On the other, he would absolutely love being in a position of power to force his own moral views on others.

I'd say it would be a tossup on whether he'd accept the job if offered.

Ahhhhhhh...hatin' on Rick Santorum Trish and Odey? Geeze....what happened to all that peace, love, dove shit Obama was talkin' about? One thing about Santorum...he's not a hypocrite....he tells you what he thinks unlike ohhhhh say Al Gore who "grew" into his pro abortion position, or Sen Kerry who voted for it...... before he voted against it !! LMAO You libs are a funny lot !! Thankfully we have a divided government again, so some of this stuff is funnier than it was 2 years ago !!

[trish]

Ahhhhhhh...hatin' on Rick Santorum Trish...Show me where I hated on Rick Santorum. Get a grip on your paranoia. Not everything is an attack. I merely observed that Rick would take such a law to be a government encroachment on an area of family life. Odelay disagreed. You took the non-opportunity to hate on Al Gore and Senator Kerry. Talk about non sequitur. You've been making these kind of mistakes a lot lately. You know, deliberately misrepresenting an element of someones post and using the misconstrual to springboard off into something completely irrelevant. Are you okay? Do we need to get you a doctor? Or is that just something you do?

Thankfully we have a divided government again...You know what Abe Lincoln said about divided government. Why to you hate America?

[Odelay]

Ahhhhhhh...hatin' on Rick Santorum Trish and Odey? Geeze....what happened to all that peace, love, dove shit Obama was talkin' about? One thing about Santorum...he's not a hypocrite....he tells you what he thinks unlike ohhhhh say Al Gore who "grew" into his pro abortion position, or Sen Kerry who voted for it...... before he voted against it !! LMAO You libs are a funny lot !! Thankfully we have a divided government again, so some of this stuff is funnier than it was 2 years ago !!

onmyknees, you seem to not be able to read any of our words straight up. Everything goes through your filter of what a liberal's agenda might be. I'm not going to speak for Trish, but sometimes, I just comment on stuff without any political bias whatsoever. "Hating on Santorum". Really? Where? The fact is, he loves to moralize. Ask Rick Santorum, he'll tell you. If he wasn't a politican he'd probably be a preacher. Trish commented that his principles would lead him to not go for government regulation. I commented that his principles lead him to try to teach others about Chrisianity and proper moral thought. How is that hating?

You crack me up. And then you use this to lecture us once again on abortion.

Geeze, dude. You really should chill. Not everything is an attack on your heroes.

EDIT: Okay, I just read Trish's response. I should have just said.. "What she said". LOL Really, just lighten up dude. Believe me, some liberals are cool, have senses of humor, like to debate, and like to chill, too. I'm surprised you haven't met any like that. I can say that Trish is exactly the type of liberal who is cool, is funny, likes to debate, and is often laid back. If you accepted people like her straight up, you'd enjoy the debate a lot more.

[yodajazz]

Only in a case where the parent directly encouraged, or participated, in the criminal activity. In other cases, a parent can be charged with Neglect, for failing to provide proper care or supervision, but that's not nescessarily a crime. In many of those cases a parent's legal rights to that child are taken away, either temporarily, or permanently, in the most serious cases.

Punishing the parents, sends the wrong signal to youth. The idea is for them to understand their own responsibility, for their actions. I cant think of a case where a child could not ask for help, rather than commit a crime. In cases of parental neglect, the child who commits a crime would still probably be placed on probation, so that they could understand the consequences of their own choice.

[russtafa]

I think couples should have to undergo testing and apply for a licence to have children

[NYBURBS]

I think couples should have to undergo testing and apply for a licence to have children

:rolleyes:

[arnie666]

Not as standard no. In western societies these days we have a habit of blaming bad or criminal behaviour on others or society and the idea of personal responsibility is being increasingly ignored. I would argue that is one of the reasons for antisocial behaviour and someone going on to committing more serious crimes.

There is this idea of being a 'victim' mainly touted by the left, victim of racism, victim of poverty (poverty in western societies is nothing like the poverty of africa), victim of bad abusive parents .I would argue that there is only one victim in crimes, that is the person beaten ,stabbed, shot ,raped or even killed. When do you stop and say enoughs enough?

However there have been some extreme cases, for instance when those boys tortured two younger boys in some northern shithole in the UK. Their parents neglect was so extreme,I would suggest it was as if they have assaulted those younger boys as well. You only have to look at what went on, such as the father allowing one boy to sit and watch violent and porngraphic videos for instance for hours on end,or the mother allowing one boy to roam the neighbourhood terrorising the place at all hours of the night.

It's not that I would punish the young offenders any less,I would punish the parents by jailing them and taking all their assets and giving the money to the victims. I wouldn't do it routinely as there are other children in that family that would have to be taken by social services if the parents assets were taken. But I think if their homelife is so terrible to begin with, it's a price worth paying More messages need to be sent to scum.

And I do have some sympathy for the idea of sterilisation, but I would only do it cases of child abuse, there have been some grotesque cases, and it really does seem that we do not punish parents who harm their children harsh enough. I would as well as jailing them , sterilise them and ban them from having children residing at their property.

[yodajazz]

There is such a thing, as mitigating cirdumstances in committing a crime. Society has the choice of giving one a lesser sentence, and also having social programming to address the causitive issues. Domestic violence is one such issue, for example. Rather than rely soley on jail time, which is fairly expensive, certain ones are placed on probation, or on parole after incarceration, and made to enter a program, as a condition. It may not be the answer in every case, however many argue that the programming is cost-effective.

Typically many conservatives may argue that this is a waste of money, but turn around to send weapons and training to "freedom fighters" in order to over-throw a legally elected government. I think there is a man named Osama Bin Laden who once fit into that category.