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[tsparisangelline]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!

[tsparisangelline]

You want a man who wears womans clothing but still identifies as a guy then you ARE BISEXUAL since you like MEN!

[Silcc69]

Yet you still let Daryl fuck you!

[tsparisangelline]

Yet you still let Daryl fuck you!

Your point? Lol, are you obsessed with Daryl? Or are you jealous that he got it and you didn't.

[Silcc69]

Your point? Lol, are you obsessed with Daryl? Or are you jealous that he got it and you didn't.

No you are being hypocritical and who has said I ever wanted it. I have had exchanges with over what type of guy you prefer but I have never came at you thirsty or anything and you know that.

[tsparisangelline]

No you are being hypocritical and who has said I ever wanted it. I have had exchanges with over what type of guy you prefer but I have never came at you thirsty or anything and you know that.

How am I being hypocritical?

*waits for receipts*

[flabbybody]

some CD's are immensely passable without hormones.
have you checked out our facebook thread? some of the pics are people with no intention of transitioning. just pretty feminine gay guys who dress for fun and male attention.

I don't stop and ask what gender a person identifies with if their pics are hot.

[Silcc69]

How am I being hypocritical?

*waits for receipts*

Since your boy fucks CD's that would mean he is a faggot (in you eyes) and you don't fuck faggot rite?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well said :)

[MrsKellyPierce]

some CD's are immensely passable without hormones.
have you checked out our facebook thread? some of the pics are people with no intention of transitioning. just pretty feminine gay guys who dress for fun and male attention.

I don't stop and ask what gender a person identifies with if their pics are hot.
yeah and it's called photoshop and bright lights OR low resolution WEBCAM AND CELL PHONE PICS...

[tsparisangelline]

some CD's are immensely passable without hormones.
have you checked out our facebook thread? some of the pics are people with no intention of transitioning. just pretty feminine gay guys who dress for fun and male attention.

I don't stop and ask what gender a person identifies with if their pics are hot.

Your opinion of passable is most likely not the same as what myself nor others find passable.


Since your boy fucks CD's that would mean he is a faggot (in you eyes) and you don't fuck faggot rite?

First off I had no knowledge of what Daryl had done, second of all we had sex over 7 to 8 months ago, Third I haven't talked to him off of here since I saw the porn of him and that cd from dallas.

[GrimFusion]

The labels really only matter to you, though. Nobody wears a sexual-orientation nametag on their sleeves. "Straight", "gay", and "bi-sexual" can all have very gray definitions. By yours, you seem to be implying having sex with a dude who doesn't have the intention of transitioning makes a guy bi-sexual. It's not a far leap when applied to tgirls early in their transition.

I'm wondering what your method of separation is. What do you think determines the difference between a dude getting with a CD as opposed to a TS. Is it body? Voice? Passibility? At what point do the dudes YOU see stop being bisexual and start being straight again while they're fussin' around with you?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just curious about your basis.

[tsparisangelline]

The labels really only matter to you, though. Nobody wears a sexual-orientation nametag on their sleeves. "Straight", "gay", and "bi-sexual" can all have very gray definitions. By yours, you seem to be implying having sex with a dude who doesn't have the intention of transitioning makes a guy bi-sexual. It's not a far leap when applied to tgirls early in their transition.

I'm wondering what your method of separation is. What do you think determines the difference between a dude getting with a CD as opposed to a TS. Is it body? Voice? Passibility? At what point do the dudes YOU see stop being bisexual and start being straight again while they're fussin' around with you?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just curious about your basis.


Because dear I identify as a woman and appear to be a female, a CD identifies as a man.

[GrimFusion]

Because dear I identify as a woman and appear to be a female, a CD identifies as a man.

Riiiight... because while they're in drag they love being called "dude".
Again, sometimes being a CD is the first stop along a complete transition. Was there any time in your life you felt secure identifying as a man? You can't tell me you didn't have an awkward phase. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's not really your determination to make.

You can go ahead and be mad at Daryl. I don't like the guy, so I'm not trying to jump in the middle and break that up. It's just that "Dude... you're so bi-sexual" isn't that great an insult.

[tsparisangelline]

P.S the funny thing is SEXUAL ORIENTATION means everything to you all.

In my inbox on facebook, the clients I see daily, Ha inbox and the men I date ALL ask me "You look like a woman but you have a dick does me finding you attractive make me gay?"

[MrsKellyPierce]

The labels really only matter to you, though. Nobody wears a sexual-orientation nametag on their sleeves. "Straight", "gay", and "bi-sexual" can all have very gray definitions. By yours, you seem to be implying having sex with a dude who doesn't have the intention of transitioning makes a guy bi-sexual. It's not a far leap when applied to tgirls early in their transition.

I'm wondering what your method of separation is. What do you think determines the difference between a dude getting with a CD as opposed to a TS. Is it body? Voice? Passibility? At what point do the dudes YOU see stop being bisexual and start being straight again while they're fussin' around with you?

I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just curious about your basis.When a transsexual lives her life day to day as a woman and believes in her head she is a woman...She is a woman...

If a crossdresser dresses up for one night - he is a man...

Alot of the crossdressers will take the garb off when it comes to having sex doll...so yeah....umm you would have to be attracted to a man.

[mintroyale]

I respectfully believe there is a very important loophole in many people's opinions here.

T-girls mostly think men who are attracted to them because they have a penis, are gay. They want a "100% straight man who sees them as 100% woman" except that's a catch 22. A "100% straight man" would never be attracted to a transsexual. A man that is attracted to a T-girl, 99 out of 100 times, is attracted to her because she is "a woman with a penis".

I don't believe men who are attracted to T-girls are gay, per se. I believe most men see T-girls as a woman, with a penis. I said "as a woman". The demographic of men I'm speaking about are attracted to women, not men.

I believe T-girls who put so much attention to the penis itself are being very prejudiced and believe penis = man. By that rationale, they are calling themselves men. An organ is not gender, nor sex.
If a man likes his anus stimulated by a woman during sex, does that make him gay? Or is it just that he likes the nerve endings of his body stimulated?

I understand most T-girls hate having a penis because they are women and feel this is a mistake of nature, but having such hang-ups about the men who like them will always prevent them from reaching happiness, at least sexually.

Then again, I'm sure somewhere, there's a fantastic story of a "100% straight man" who is sexually attracted to a T=girl and not because she is a T-girl or her physical attributes.

[tsparisangelline]

Riiiight... because while they're in drag they love being called "dude".

It does not matter what they like to be called in their eyes they are men dressing up as women.

Think of it as you wish but THEY IDENTIFY AS DUDES, when they aren't going to a club THEY TAKE OFF THEIR WIG all their make-up. They unstuff their bra, they let their beard shine through and they put on some baggy jeans and fitted caps.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I respectfully believe there is a very important loophole in many people's opinions here.

T-girls mostly think men who are attracted to them because they have a penis, are gay. They want a "100% straight man who sees them as 100% woman" except that's a catch 22. A "100% straight man" would never be attracted to a transsexual. A man that is attracted to a T-girl, 99 out of 100 times, is attracted to her because she is "a woman with a penis".

I don't believe men who are attracted to T-girls are gay, per se. I believe most men see T-girls as a woman, with a penis. I said "as a woman". The demographic of men I'm speaking about are attracted to women, not men.

I believe T-girls who put so much attention to the penis itself are being very prejudiced and believe penis = man. By that rationale, they are calling themselves men. An organ is not gender, nor sex.
If a man likes his anus stimulated by a woman during sex, does that make him gay? Or is it just that he likes the nerve endings of his body stimulated?

I understand most T-girls hate having a penis because they are women and feel this is a mistake of nature, but having such hang-ups about the men who like them will always prevent them from reaching happiness, at least sexually.

Then again, I'm sure somewhere, there's a fantastic story of a "100% straight man" who is sexually attracted to a T=girl and not because she is a T-girl or her physical attributes.Really thats funny...Emily (heavenlysin) and I have gone to straight clubs together and turned the whole crowd wanting to dance with us. They had no clue.......

During the AVN awards Celeste, Foxxy, myself, Jesse, and many others were dancing with Straight boys all night who had NO CLUE......so doll....

And usually when they find out they still want a blow job :)

So ummm that don't work with me...because every straight man I met at a straight club...it only took the right "LOOK"

[tsparisangelline]

When a transsexual lives her life day to day as a woman and believes in her head she is a woman...She is a woman...

If a crossdresser dresses up for one night - he is a man...

Alot of the crossdressers will take the garb off when it comes to having sex doll...so yeah....umm you would have to be attracted to a man.

RIGHT!
The funny thing is you can't take a CD to lunch, they cannot bear the ridicule of being dressed during the day.

*Trust me THREE GIRLS FROM BLACK TGIRLS are friends of mine and they are CD's*

[tsparisangelline]

Really thats funny...Emily (heavenlysin) and I have gone to straight clubs together and turned the whole crowd wanting to dance with us. They had no clue.......

During the AVN awards Celeste, Foxxy, myself, Jesse, and many others were dancing with Straight boys all night who had NO CLUE......so doll....

And usually when they find out they still want a blow job :)

So ummm that don't work with me...because every straight man I met at a straight club...it only took the right "LOOK"

I didn't even quote his foolishness completely pointless!

[mintroyale]

I'm speaking of a full disclosure type of relationship, transient or lengthy. I'm not talking about a situation where a beautiful, passable T-girl makes "straight boys" look at them.

I'm speaking of full disclosure, it's different.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I didn't even quote his foolishness completely pointless!
Exactly! lol it's hilarious...

More men are interested in transsexuals than they think....

If you got boobs and a hot face...a man will get hard.

[BellaBellucci]

Exactly! lol it's hilarious...

More men are interested in transsexuals than they think....

If you got boobs and a hot face...a man will get hard.

Truth.

~BB~

[mintroyale]

Parisangelline, I gather you usually think a man who likes a T-girl's penis is gay, am I right?
You've mentioned men who like to be topped are gay, so are men who like to fellate T-girls, yes?

Why is that? Because they're attracted to a penis attached to a beautiful girl, right? So to you, the penis itself is what matters and makes these men straight or gay, not the person attached to it. Right?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'm speaking of a full disclosure type of relationship, transient or lengthy. I'm not talking about a situation where a beautiful, passable T-girl makes "straight boys" look at them.

I'm speaking of full disclosure, it's different.I tell them...I danced with them and spoke to them all night long doll.

They asked while we were there and we said for the AVN's we didn't go into specifics till later lol

And I have told men after talking to them for 20 to 30 minutes.

[mintroyale]

so kelly, in your opinion are these man straight or gay?

[MrsKellyPierce]

so kelly, in your opinion are these man straight or gay?
Straight obviously...they are turned on by I'm a hot girl...they didn't want anything to do with my penis. They said I could go for a blow job...and I said oh that's nice but I don't do one night stands...:whistle::whistle::whistle:

What I find gay is when the person obviously looks like a man in a wig...

I find most men love some tits during sex small/medium/Large

At least a female nipple to suck on while he is plowing your ass or vice versa...and a female softness and hair to pull onto

Softness....etc.....

[mintroyale]

then I totally agree with you. That's what I'm saying. Being attracted to a T-girl does not make anyone gay, penis action or not.

[tsparisangelline]

Straight obviously...they are turned on by I'm a hot girl...they didn't want anything to do with my penis. They said I could go for a blow job...and I said oh that's nice but I don't do one night stands...:whistle::whistle::whistle:

What I find gay is when the person obviously looks like a man in a wig...

I find most men love some tits during sex small/medium/Large

At least a female nipple to suck on while he is plowing your ass or vice versa...and a female softness and hair to pull onto

Softness....etc.....

CO MOTHER FUCKING SIGN


then I totally agree with you. That's what I'm saying. Being attracted to a T-girl does not make anyone gay, penis action or not.

What does this have to do with my topic?

[Silcc69]

RIGHT!
The funny thing is you can't take a CD to lunch, they cannot bear the ridicule of being dressed during the day.

*Trust me THREE GIRLS FROM BLACK TGIRLS are friends of mine and they are CD's*

IDK u had black tgirl friends wait they are CD's but isn't 90% of the girls on BTG CD's in the first place?

[onmyknees]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....( rolls over and hits the snooze alarm)

[sdman]

Yet you still let Daryl fuck you!


Daryl loves fucking Cross Dressers he probably fucked Paris when she was still a little boy. lol

[audifan]

...Again, sometimes being a CD is the first stop along a complete transition...

I think you mean sometimes looking like a CD is the first step along a transition. To the guys that don't care it makes no difference. To a TS it's totally different, it's her awkward phase. I think.

[tsparisangelline]

IDK u had black tgirl friends wait they are CD's but isn't 90% of the girls on BTG CD's in the first place?

Most porn sites cater to cd's because most men interested are NOT STRAIGHT but they have some irrational fear of being a homosexual and use transgenders as a cop out.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....( rolls over and hits the snooze alarm)

You ready for some sasquatch with some maybelline and a wig to tear that gaping hole more apart?

[thombergeron]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....( rolls over and hits the snooze alarm)

Exactly. By my count, this is the 374th time someone has started a thread on this topic, and it's still dreadfully stupid.

Paris, men who have sex with you are not straight. They may be self-deluded, but they're not straight.

Not that it matters in any way whatsoever....

[tsparisangelline]

Exactly. By my count, this is the 374th time someone has started a thread on this topic, and it's still dreadfully stupid.

Paris, men who have sex with you are not straight. They may be self-deluded, but they're not straight.

Not that it matters in any way whatsoever....

Oh really? I haven't seen this posted before.


*waits for receipts*

[nonnonnon]

I really want to know his secret. I think he's had every piece of ass in the Texas area

[onmyknees]

Most porn sites cater to cd's because most men interested are NOT STRAIGHT but they have some irrational fear of being a homosexual and use transgenders as a cop out.



You ready for some sasquatch with some maybelline and a wig to tear that gaping hole more apart?


Typical of you Paris...classy response.
You're becoming the Snooky of HA. Classless, Clueless, Lacking Sophistication, Ever Annoying, Ever Present, Drama Queen, and a Publicity Whore.

The only difference I can tell is Snooky's boyfriend doesn't deal drugs on the corner, and she's never fucked Daryl. Those 2 distinctions rest solely with you. You're a class act baby !!!!!!!!!!!!

[tsparisangelline]

Typical of you Paris...classy response.
You're becoming the Snooky of HA. Classless, Clueless, Lacking Sophistication, Ever Annoying, Ever Present, Drama Queen, and a Publicity Whore.

The only difference I can tell is Snooky's boyfriend doesn't deal drugs on the corner, and she's never fucked Daryl. Those 2 distinctions rest solely with you. You're a class act baby !!!!!!!!!!!!

Says the imbecile who does not know the difference between a transsexual and a crossdresser.

ROFL

NOW THAT is a FOOL!

[BLKGSXR]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!
The failure of this poster-Epic only a dumb bitch can demean her own community in such a way.

[tsparisangelline]

The failure of this poster-Epic only a dumb bitch can demean her own community in such a way.

I am assuming you have an attraction to crossdressers too.

Poor thing it is okay if your gay.

[BLKGSXR]

I am assuming you have an attraction to crossdressers too.

Poor thing it is okay if your gay.
smh@ the Bigotry coming from you, you really need to re-evaluate your place on this forum and in this world because little one you're not that hot...1-10 I give you a 4 then again maybe a 4.2 who knows depends on how much you dont say.

[Norma]

Totally agree with Paris.

[tsparisangelline]

smh@ the Bigotry coming from you, you really need to re-evaluate your place on this forum and in this world because little one you're not that hot...1-10 I give you a 4 then again maybe a 4.2 who knows depends on how much you dont say.

When I walk outside I get stunning and gorgeous 24/7 so I could really care less about a homosexuals opinion online, lol.

:loser: SO keep it pumping sista!

[trish]

So this thing about being a faggot if you fuck a CD; is that a Federal, a State or a Natural law? If I'd known about it, I never never ever would've fucked that cross-dresser down on McClure Street.

[tsparisangelline]

So this thing about being a faggot if you fuck a CD; is that a Federal, a State or a Natural law? If I'd known about it, I never never ever would've fucked that cross-dresser down on McClure Street.

Jesus handed me it as a commandment, so IDK!

[BLKGSXR]

When I walk outside I get stunning and gorgeous 24/7 so I could really care less about a homosexuals opinion online, lol.

:loser: SO keep it pumping sista!Call me whatever you want, no one cares PARIS you're a kid still its funny you think that namecalling will get you somewhere, well guess what it WONT you are a bitch plain and simple have a heart for once.Oh you're a 4 yep you said too much...Maybe you check your EGO a bit then it would make you realize you need alot of help Mentally hopefully one day you'll check yourself correctly

[Silcc69]

So this thing about being a faggot if you fuck a CD; is that a Federal, a State or a Natural law? If I'd known about it, I never never ever would've fucked that cross-dresser down on McClure Street.

Wow Trish IDK you were a top well I don't know if you are a bottom either. I just know that you are well pretty smart.

[tsparisangelline]

Call me whatever you want, no one cares PARIS you're a kid still its funny you think that namecalling will get you somewhere, well guess what it WONT you are a bitch plain and simple have a heart for once.Oh you're a 4 yep you said too much...Maybe you check your EGO a bit then it would make you realize you need alot of help Mentally hopefully one day you'll check yourself correctly

Lol, darling if I was a sweetheart you would be all on the dick so sit down.

Lol, I don't understand why a man who likes crossdresser and has stated several UNPASSABLE ts's on here are appealing would think I care of his opinion.

[blatinobrotha]

Paris you're beautiful

[BLKGSXR]

Lol, darling if I was a sweetheart you would be all on the dick so sit down.

Lol, I don't understand why a man who likes crossdresser and has stated several UNPASSABLE ts's on here are appealing would think I care of his opinion.
Like I said youre a 4 in my book its ok though in someones book you might actually be appealing, I like asians my bad for not liking girls as fucked up in the head as you are its how god made me :fu:

[tatsu1]

Anyone that says this horse-faced dust rag is gorgeous is seriously smoking something. Lol @ 24/7.... That said, i agree with that person. Though the fact that he doesn't lump himself in with the Cds is beyond me.

[onmyknees]

When I walk outside I get stunning and gorgeous 24/7 so I could really care less about a homosexuals opinion online, lol.

:loser: SO keep it pumping sista!


Lol, darling if I was a sweetheart you would be all on the dick so sit down.

Lol, I don't understand why a man who likes crossdresser and has stated several UNPASSABLE ts's on here are appealing would think I care of his opinion.

Paris...you have no coherent opinion. You ramble on aimlessly and inanely, and seem to foucus only long enough to hurl the obligatory insult.

[sdman]

Paris you're beautiful



Are you Freedie but id suck that little cock!

[tsparisangelline]

Like I said youre a 4 in my book its ok though in someones book you might actually be appealing, I like asians my bad for not liking girls as fucked up in the head as you are its how god made me :fu:

Ok brick-lover :D



Anyone that says this horse-faced dust rag is gorgeous is seriously smoking something. Lol @ 24/7.... That said, i agree with that person. Though the fact that he doesn't lump himself in with the Cds is beyond me.

Lol, because dear when I walk outside no one has any clue I am a ts, my id says female and a female name, I have not dressed in male clothes since 15.

Should I keep going?


Paris...you have no coherent opinion. You ramble on aimlessly and inanely, and seem to foucus only long enough to hurl the obligatory insult.

I guess, so did you finally google the difference between a ts and a cd? Or do you still think they are the same thing?

[tsparisangelline]

Paris you're beautiful

Lol, jhaniah that isn't me.

Try these.

They are from the days when I use to wear wigs for clients and prosthetic tits so I could have the appearance of breasts when I went in public, lol.

http://i54.tinypic.com/dvlemp.png

http://i56.tinypic.com/2q16xs4.png

[tatsu1]

Paris... You are not gorgeous and man face is quite easily seen on you. You are what is called a big faced wench. Embrace it. You are not hot and would qualify in my little eyes as someone early in transition... And Wack. You are a fat-faced trollop with obvious mental deficiencies. You are delusional and lying to yourself. Again i agree with your cd assessment, however, you are one of those Cds you so rightly "get at"...

[sdman]

Lol, jhaniah that isn't me.

Try these.

They are from the days when I use to wear wigs for clients and prosthetic tits so I could have the appearance of breasts when I went in public, lol.

http://i54.tinypic.com/dvlemp.png

http://i56.tinypic.com/2q16xs4.png


I would have even fucked you back when you were in drag but not after knowing how lame your sessions tend to be!

[GrimFusion]

P.S the funny thing is SEXUAL ORIENTATION means everything to you all.

In my inbox on facebook, the clients I see daily, Ha inbox and the men I date ALL ask me "You look like a woman but you have a dick does me finding you attractive make me gay?"

Better than then digging the ol' beat horse out of it's grave and posting some long diatribe about whether it's gay or straight to do whatever. Perhaps you just have the perchance to attract noobs. I don't see the forum regulars running around here opening their sexuality to public debate.

I've had a couple of long-term'er GG relationships with chicks who felt completely comfortable throwing me a little ass play now-and-then. Does that make me gay? lol. This shit is ridiculous.

"You look like a woman but you have a dick. Does me finding you attractive make me gay?"
That's an unanswerable question. Even if you were to answer a dude like that, he's not going to accept the answer. A month later, his mind is going to be on the same shit. That's because it's not a simple question. It's an insecurity. I'm not perfect. I have insecurities too. I just don't have insecurities about the sex I have or whom I decide to have it with.

[DarylWashington]

I really want to know his secret. I think he's had every piece of ass in the Texas area

I cannot reveal all of my secrets, I am The STF for a reason, I've been in this game for a long time and I know what I'm doing.

You need to look good and talk good first off, tell them what they want to hear, if you have to pressure them into sex or just be aggressive do what it takes, and boom that ass is your's. :fuckin:

[tsparisangelline]

Paris... You are not gorgeous and man face is quite easily seen on you. You are what is called a big faced wench. Embrace it. You are not hot and would qualify in my little eyes as someone early in transition... And Wack. You are a fat-faced trollop with obvious mental deficiencies. You are delusional and lying to yourself. Again i agree with your cd assessment, however, you are one of those Cds you so rightly "get at"...


I would have even fucked you back when you were in drag but not after knowing how lame your sessions tend to be!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_nu2AIuoa4

[Silcc69]

I cannot reveal all of my secrets, I am The STF for a reason, I've been in this game for a long time and I know what I'm doing.

You need to look good and talk good first off, tell them what they want to hear, if you have to pressure them into sex or just be aggressive do what it takes, and boom that ass is your's. :fuckin:

Isn't that rape?

[tsparisangelline]

I've had a couple of long-term'er GG relationships with chicks who felt completely comfortable throwing me a little ass play now-and-then. Does that make me gay? lol. This shit is ridiculous.


Do they have dicks? Were they born with their birth certificate saying male?

[onmyknees]

Ok brick-lover :D




Lol, because dear when I walk outside no one has any clue I am a ts, my id says female and a female name, I have not dressed in male clothes since 15.

Should I keep going?



I guess, so did you finally google the difference between a ts and a cd? Or do you still think they are the same thing?

No ...don't keep going ...spare us.

I actually haven't googled that. I'm not nearly as hung up on labels as appearently you are. In other words....I don't give a fuck what you choose to identify yourself as...or for that matter, identify me or anybody else as. It's completely and entirely irrelevent baby !

[DarylWashington]

Isn't that rape?

Its not rape, kinda like an aggressive sale's man, SALE YOURSELF. Show her why y'all should be fucking.

[GrimFusion]

When a transsexual lives her life day to day as a woman and believes in her head she is a woman...She is a woman...

If a crossdresser dresses up for one night - he is a man...

Alot of the crossdressers will take the garb off when it comes to having sex doll...so yeah....umm you would have to be attracted to a man.

Maybe I'm thinking of a different chick Daryl boned. Got a link to the topic all this came out in?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I love how everyone is sticking up for CD's and then picking on a real TS woman lol too much...too much.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Maybe I'm thinking of a different chick Daryl boned. Got a link to the topic all this came out in?
the chick Daryl boned looks like a drag queen to me. Did you see the hair paint on the forehead? And the dark contour on the side of the nose?

I would of liked to of seen a HIGH definition pic rather than a low resolution cell pic...

[giovanni_hotel]

So what is singer Pete Burns???

Fag/CD/DQ/tranny/fem boi!!??

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/86-plastic-surgery-nightmares/photos/1250620954_pete_burns_7_lg.jpg

[sdman]

I cannot reveal all of my secrets, I am The STF for a reason, I've been in this game for a long time and I know what I'm doing.

You need to look good and talk good first off, tell them what they want to hear, if you have to pressure them into sex or just be aggressive do what it takes, and boom that ass is your's. :fuckin:

Did you have to pressure Paris for the ass or did she just give it up? :yingyang:

[Silcc69]

Its not rape, kinda like an aggressive sale's man, SALE YOURSELF. Show her why y'all should be fucking.

Ah liek the Kirby salesman eh?

[MrsKellyPierce]

So what is singer Pete Burns???

Fag/CD/DQ/tranny/fem boi!!??

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/86-plastic-surgery-nightmares/photos/1250620954_pete_burns_7_lg.jpg drag queen...

[sdman]

I love how everyone is sticking up for CD's and then picking on a real TS woman lol too much...too much.

some think theyre the same.

[Silcc69]

so what is singer pete burns???

Fag/cd/dq/tranny/fem boi!!??

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/photo_galleries/regular_galleries/86-plastic-surgery-nightmares/photos/1250620954_pete_burns_7_lg.jpg

ugly!

[Ryz]

Paris is a cutie.

[MrsKellyPierce]

some think theyre the same.Only guys that are living in delusion

[DarylWashington]

Did you have to pressure Paris for the ass or did she just give it up? :yingyang:

Nah, very mutual there. :)


the chick Daryl boned looks like a drag queen to me. Did you see the hair paint on the forehead? And the dark contour on the side of the nose?

I would of liked to of seen a HIGH definition pic rather than a low resolution cell pic...

When she goes to the club she puts on way too much eye shadow & uses big eye lashes (Asians don't have eye lashes or lids), but not a drag, and thats her natural long hair.

[tsparisangelline]

No ...don't keep going ...spare us.

I actually haven't googled that. I'm not nearly as hung up on labels as appearently you are. In other words....I don't give a fuck what you choose to identify yourself as...or for that matter, identify me or anybody else as. It's completely and entirely irrelevent baby !

Then why try to argue the subject? If you are not into labels?


I love how everyone is sticking up for CD's and then picking on a real TS woman lol too much...too much.

Right :D


Paris is a cutie.

MY HUBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[GrimFusion]

Asians don't have eye lashes or lids

Asians don't have eyelids?
Seriously, Daryl?


Then why try to argue the subject? If you are not into labels?
Likely because you're using labels as if they matter.
Difference of opinion on a forum? No wai!

[Ryz]

Nah, very mutual there. :)



When she goes to the club she puts on way too much eye shadow & uses big eye lashes (Asians don't have eye lashes or lids), but not a drag, and thats her natural long hair.

You fucked Jamie coxx you nasty negro. You're gay

[DarylWashington]

Asians don't have eyelids?
Seriously, Daryl?

Yeah, true, they get eyelid surgery to correct that. MTV true life!

Unless if they are mixed with white.

[DarylWashington]

You fucked Jamie coxx you nasty negro. You're gay

Jamie is gay, not me, the top is always straight.

[tsparisangelline]

Likely because you're using labels as if they matter.
Difference of opinion on a forum? No wai!

Actually dear, read the other forum. He has been bitching at Kelly for a while now.


You fucked Jamie coxx you nasty negro. You're gay

And here we go..

[GrimFusion]

Yeah, true, they get eyelid surgery to correct that. MTV true life!

Unless if they are mixed with white.

You're talking about double-eyelids, or an eyelid with a crease in it. Asians do have eye lids, man. They wouldn't be able to blink otherwise. Asians have eyelashes, too. They just aren't thick. Do you even read through your shit before you click submit?

[dopearope]

Jamie is gay, not me, the top is always straight.

Lmao!

Who is this jamie coxx people always talk about?

You didn't fuck a GUY guy did you Daryl?

[fred41]

Just some random thoughts without taking the time to list the quotes they apply to;

Some Asian CDs can be passable (passable at first perfunctory glance anyways)...I suppose it's the bone structure...I suppose that's why some Asian girls need little work done. That said though...it is my opinion that hormones still make all the difference in the world because , at least to me...it gives a person that female "glow"...for want of a better word.

Really...not everybody on this site cares about what sexual labels get stuck on them. I certainly don't..it is of absolutely no concern to me...and there are much more than a few guys like me on this site.

There are tons of guys out there who are interested in a TS experience...they're not always the "absolutely straight" guys you think they are. They have been around just as long as you (or longer)and know how to play you just as well as you can play others. They know just the right thing to say...and they are good enough actors (and are good looking enough) that they will fool you ...just long enough.

I know enough TS who have or had long SOs who turn out to be bisexual or "not" straight...and are fine with that (or tend to overlook it).

No man who continuously comes to this site for porn (pre or post op) top or bottom... is 100% sexually straight...at the very, very least...you would have a fetish (what that fetish is exactly would be for the individual to determine...if he cared at all)

[DarylWashington]

Lmao!

Who is this jamie coxx people always talk about?

You didn't fuck a GUY guy did you Daryl?

Hell nah, thats sick!

[fred41]

You fucked Jamie coxx you nasty negro. You're gay


:):):)....funny as hell.



...I also have to admit Ryz...you have a very good reason to hate her...or him...or whatever...

[blckhaze]

So..................whos with me in starting a "cd or ts" committee? we'll do blood tests randomly, divvy out hormones to aspiring trannies, and even further ostracizing daryl.

[stillies77]

this is me reading this thread...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftlcc6W71qf8yek.gif

[rockabilly]

lol

Tha Dawson.

[AmericanDream]

wow...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Odelay]

So..................whos with me in starting a "cd or ts" committee? we'll do blood tests randomly, divvy out hormones to aspiring trannies, and even further ostracizing daryl.

Haze, we're also going to need a clothing shop so the CD's get something out of it.

[BellaBellucci]

Haze, we're also going to need a clothing shop so the CD's get something out of it.

CD's here in SoCal have a saying:

Ross - Crossdress For Less :lol:

http://blogs.oracle.com/retail/Ross%20Stores.PNG

~BB~

[fred41]

So..................whos with me in starting a "cd or ts" committee? we'll do blood tests randomly, divvy out hormones to aspiring trannies, and even further ostracizing daryl.

lol....I'm in...I own a blood pressure kit, so that qualifies me as a medical doctor ...right?

....and I'm a white, middle aged man with a mustache...so like...I'm completely trustworthy. :)

[blckhaze]

CD's here in SoCal have a saying:

Ross - Crossdress For Less :lol:

http://blogs.oracle.com/retail/Ross%20Stores.PNG

~BB~

Maybe they can sponsor us.....
If we're lucky.....Home depot too

[BellaBellucci]

Maybe they can sponsor us.....
If we're lucky.....Home depot too

Our mascot (Homer D Poe)?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5FaG8IkXVqI/RlRvztPhzLI/AAAAAAAAAhU/fDaYWcud7ic/s320/Homer.jpg

If I were better at Photoshop, I'd put a wig and boobs on him. Preeeetty!

~BB~

[test_cyp]

This thread is funny.

[Jericho]

I like tits! :shrug

[BellaBellucci]

I like tits! :shrug

He looks pretty husky. I'll bet you'll find some man boobs under that flannel shirt if you're interested. ;)

~BB~

[DarylWashington]

CD's here in SoCal have a saying:

Ross - Crossdress For Less :lol:

http://blogs.oracle.com/retail/Ross%20Stores.PNG

~BB~

Lmfao!

[tsparisangelline]

Some Asian CDs can be passable (passable at first perfunctory glance anyways)...I suppose it's the bone structure...I suppose that's why some Asian girls need little work done. That said though...it is my opinion that hormones still make all the difference in the world because , at least to me...it gives a person that female "glow"...for want of a better word.


Asians are passable to us, but to other asians they aren't passable.


wow...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

God? Wow, you do know God doesn't like trannys?

[Azanti]

'A good attitude goes a long way...'

Congratulations, you have just walked two inches.

[Jericho]

He looks pretty husky. I'll bet you'll find some man boobs under that flannel shirt if you're interested. ;)

~BB~

What the hell....so long as it leads to me getting a blojob! :shrug

[BellaBellucci]

What the hell....so long as it leads to me getting a blojob! :shrug

Kudos for your honesty, but...







EWWWWWWWWWWW! :lol: :lol: :lol:

~BB~

[Jericho]

Kudos for your honesty, but...







EWWWWWWWWWWW! :lol: :lol: :lol:

~BB~


I'm a bloke...It could be a goat, it wouldn't make any difference! :hide-1:
:lol:

[BellaBellucci]

I'm a bloke...It could be a goat, it wouldn't make any difference! :hide-1:
:lol:

... as long as you understand that a goat is different from a donkey. :geek:

~BB~

[Jericho]

... as long as you understand that a goat is different from a donkey. :geek:

~BB~


It's all Ass! :whistle:

[BellaBellucci]

It's all Ass! :whistle:

You just lost the respect of all of both the goats and the donkeys on this board, Mister. :lol:

~BB~

[Jericho]

You just lost the respect of all of both the goats and the donkeys on this board, Mister. :lol:

~BB~


Golly gee, i'm stunned...I had respect? :lol:

[tsparisangelline]

BWAHAHA my high ass is dying!

[innocentbychoice]

I'm a bloke...It could be a goat, it wouldn't make any difference! :hide-1:
:lol:

So do other guys here think like that? It doesn't matter who's blowing you as long as you get the blowjob?

[Solitary Brother]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!

I see a lot of TS girls with cheap wigs....
You dont really mean that do you?

[tsparisangelline]

I see a lot of TS girls with cheap wigs....
You dont really mean that do you?

Lol I never have

[phobun]

yeah and it's called photoshop and bright lights OR low resolution WEBCAM AND CELL PHONE PICS...


Or just pure testosterone-fueled lust... the heart races and the vision clouds... so the legs are a little less hairy, the pancake blush covering the five o'clock shadow is less beastly, the adam's apple disppears, the lumpy sock filled breasts are so suculent, and the shoulders look petite.

Some of those CDs may be sexier that GG's to a few guys, but to most anyone else, it's jaw-dropping what sort of ass they will sniff.

YouTube - Divine - You think you´re a man (The Birdcage Movie) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nboaq6Ha_Yg)

[Merkurie]

This board has failed to extend any knowledge wisdom or understanding about gender or sexuality. Despite the fact there are more bats and balls on this board than at a Yankees game,the word "faggot" gets thrown around here more than any 7th grade school yard in the country.

Everyone who knows they are females in a male body, or knows they are women, does not transition, due to fear, family, religion, lack of information or even their own bigotry. Some wait till late in life, or cross dress, commit suicide or just live long suffering lives.

No matter how you see yourself, if a guy a gal or someone in-between turns you on-- its all good.
Live and let live.

[innocentbychoice]

This board has failed to extend any knowledge wisdom or understanding about gender or sexuality. Despite the fact there are more bats and balls on this board than at a Yankees game,the word "faggot" gets thrown around here more than any 7th grade school yard in the country.

Everyone who knows they are females in a male body, or knows they are women, does not transition, due to fear, family, religion, lack of information or even their own bigotry. Some wait till late in life, or cross dress, commit suicide or just live long suffering lives.

No matter how you see yourself, if a guy a gal or someone in-between turns you on-- its all good.
Live and let live.

Quoted for truth.

[audifan]

Asians are passable to us, but to other asians they aren't passable...

Interesting. I grew up in Asia and as a kid I never understood white people saying Asian people "all look the same" when I was surrounded by millions of them and they each looked different.

Would be good to hear what an Asian TS woman like Alyssaluxor has to say about this.

[audifan]

This board has failed to extend any knowledge wisdom or understanding about gender or sexuality. Despite the fact there are more bats and balls on this board than at a Yankees game,the word "faggot" gets thrown around here more than any 7th grade school yard in the country.


The knowledge, wisdom and understanding is sometimes hard to find amidst all the childish crap and namecalling.





Everyone who knows they are females in a male body, or knows they are women, does not transition, due to fear, family, religion, lack of information or even their own bigotry. Some wait till late in life, or cross dress, commit suicide or just live long suffering lives.

You might be making a valid point but I don't understand what you're saying because the first sentence has no ending.Are you adding something or just reiterating what others already said on this and the CD thread? :???:



No matter how you see yourself, if a guy a gal or someone in-between turns you on-- its all good.
Live and let live.

OK.

[tsparisangelline]

Interesting. I grew up in Asia and as a kid I never understood white people saying Asian people "all look the same" when I was surrounded by millions of them and they each looked different.

Would be good to hear what an Asian TS woman like Alyssaluxor has to say about this.

I have seen asians clock other asian trannys and the shade is I thought they were fish, lol.

But asians can never clock other races, how funny.

The nail people always think I am a model, even when they are waxing my upper thigh, lol.

[arnie666]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!

Sorry to break to you, but outside of this little community any man who fucks you is a faggot, and you are also a faggot, just a freak in a dress.

And many would not be shy of telling you this either,Iam telling you where I grew up you'd have dog shit put through your letter box and your windows smashed in all the time till you moved out, it wouldn't matter to them how passable you are, or if the man fuking you took it in the ass or only gave it to you.You'd be known as the freak who lives in such and such a house. So I fail to see the point in threads like this, trying to make out there is a difference. All it does, is cause arguments.

Just post a load of pictures for the lads to jack off too,like a good whore.I myself don't like cross dressers, prefering very passable trannies, but you don't hear me call those who do gayboys or make fun of the transvestites ,because really each to their own.

[tsparisangelline]

Sorry to break to you, but outside of this little community any man who fucks you is a faggot, and you are also a faggot, just a freak in a dress.

And many would not be shy of telling you this either,Iam telling you where I grew up you'd have dog shit put through your letter box and your windows smashed in all the time till you moved out, it wouldn't matter to them how passable you are, or if the man fuking you took it in the ass or only gave it to you.You'd be known as the freak who lives in such and such a house. So I fail to see the point in threads like this, trying to make out there is a difference. All it does, is cause arguments.

Just post a load of pictures for the lads to jack off too,like a good whore.I myself don't like cross dressers, prefering very passable trannies, but you don't hear me call those who do gayboys or make fun of the transvestites ,because really each to their own.

Really? LOL.

Never had that issue dear, wherever I go I get hit on and never have had the complains other than on here.

[phobun]

Interesting. I grew up in Asia and as a kid I never understood white people saying Asian people "all look the same" when I was surrounded by millions of them and they each looked different.


This is the truth

[phobun]

I have seen asians clock other asian trannys and the shade is I thought they were fish, lol.




Whenever I show a picture of say Nina Poon (who was born in VN) to my Viet gf's they immediately say "that's a tranny." WTF, Nina Poon is gorgeous, what a look. Cindy Thai Tai is clockable I agree. They can also spot the Thai transsexuals.

[tsparisangelline]

Whenever I show a picture of say Nina Poon (who was born in VN) to my Viet gf's they immediately say "that's a tranny." WTF, Nina Poon is gorgeous, what a look. Cindy Thai Tai is clockable I agree. They can also spot the Thai transsexuals.

I wonder what it is, I would love for an asian to teach me lol.

[phobun]

I wonder what it is, I would love for an asian to teach me lol.


Often the giveaway seems to be seeing them speak. I think it is a combination of size and voice. Nina Poon is pretty tall for a woman from VN.

[scroller]

I'm adding people to my ignore list left-and-right but it doesn't get any better! LOL :)

[alyssaluxor]

Interesting. I grew up in Asia and as a kid I never understood white people saying Asian people "all look the same" when I was surrounded by millions of them and they each looked different.

Would be good to hear what an Asian TS woman like Alyssaluxor has to say about this.

for me a lot of Asian TS looks not passable for me

also Asian people looks very different from each other for me ;)

[alyssaluxor]

Going back to the topic i agree with Paris! ;)

I just simply want to say TS girls are not TV/CD and we never become CD in our life ;)

[audifan]

for me a lot of Asian TS looks not passable for me

also Asian people looks very different from each other for me ;)

Thanks Alyssa :)

[DarylWashington]

Asians are the hottest, fuck you all!

[toopretty]

You all keep talking about SOCIETY but yet this community is not the outer society, sadly I find most of you are trying to hide your opinions by use of hiding behind what others think.


Transsexuals feel from a young age they were born in the wrong body and go through ALOT of shit to make themselves right.

Cross-dressers dress up for either sexual gratification or just for fun they feel they ARE MEN and do not believe in THEIR HEARTS that they are WOMEN.

In my eyes you fuck a CD your a faggot, even a transsexual just starting out has a hormone tit. CD's ARE NOT PASSABLE, it is impossible for a over 18 year old to have the physical shape and facial structure of a female without hormones (unless they are asian, lol).

Oh and the biggest way to spot a CD

A CHEAP WIG!

I hear what your saying. But alot of guys are not attracted to TS's because they look like women, they are attracted to them because they look like TS's.
They have their own unique look. TS's dont look like natural women, they dont look like men, and they dont look like something in between....they look like TS's (only way I can explain it). Maybe a handful of TS's in this world look like actually GG's. Like, NO TS's on this board look like GG's...they all look like TS's. And that should not be taken as an insult because it is not one. Personally, I take TS's serious. As people, I take them serious...CD's I dont.

but with that said. TS/TV/CD/femboi...whatever. my dick sees the same thing. I would fuck a hot cd or tv, but would be done with them after that. (and yes there are MANY CD's that look as good as the top tier of TS's) So call me a faggot....but GG's and TS's are the only people in the world that I am romantically interested in...because as "people" they are on the same level to me...

and on a side note. Why would so many guys, that pay to fuck cd/tv's (or pay the cd/tv's to fuck them), not just pay an actual male escort...if they are so gay?

[toopretty]

Asians are the hottest, fuck you all!

I dont know, the hottest Latin ts's are pretty unmatchable.

[MrsKellyPierce]

yawn...men are still sticking by the straight card.

[nonnonnon]

I dont know, the hottest Latin ts's are pretty unmatchable.

I jizzed in my pants
YouTube - Jasmine International - Ivy Queen @ Escuelita 4-3-10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D46emhOCuhw)
YouTube - Jasmine International - shakira Did it again ft. Kid Cudi @ Escuelita 4-10-10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5sp1kcVAzQ)

[DarylWashington]

yawn...men are still sticking by the straight card.

As long as you are strictly physically attracted to girls (females & TS) and don't like dick, you're straight as an arrow. :fuckin:

[yodajazz]

yawn...men are still sticking by the straight card.

That's partially because the average person has a too narrow view of what it means to be bisexual. Most people think it means liking male and females equally, but there are an infinite number of variations. Say for example, a woman who is primarily gay, but just likes to have sex with a male like once a year.

I'm a person that believes that lots of sex is not 100% straight. I feel an attraction to some women who are androgynous looking. So even though it is a male attracted to a female, I dont view it as 100% straight. So tlhen I would define it as a point closer to the heterosexuality end of the spectrum, but not 100%. Some men are attracted to the female body builder type. I have seen some I find attractive myself.

The sexual terms such as straight, bi, and gay are so vague, who would have time to explain to everyone what their particular brand of bisexuality is? And most people would not want to know, about someone's fantasies, etc. So even though it is naturally for sexual labes to be discussed here, it should not be the big deal that it is, in my opinion.

[toopretty]

As long as you are strictly physically attracted to girls (females & TS) and don't like dick, you're straight as an arrow. :fuckin:

I dont like dick, but I think gay or straight has nothing to do with a sex organ. If gay men didnt have dicks they would still attracted to each other.

[GrimFusion]

You might be making a valid point but I don't understand what you're saying because the first sentence has no ending.Are you adding something or just reiterating what others already said on this and the CD thread? :???:

He's basically reiterating. What it sounds like he's trying to say is that a few of these CDs are TSs pre-transition. Why pick on somebody when ten years down the road, they might be the next new diva on HA? That's a weak argument, though.

I think a lot of the anti-crossdressing stuff that goes on around here stems from these CDs wanting to be accepted into a transgendered community when the women around here have to go through a hell of a lot more humiliation, drama, and non-acceptance than the CDs do.

CDs don't have much to atone for. They don't need to get involved in escorting just to fund a hormone regimen or surgeries. While a tad juvenile, I can understand why a lot of tgirls around here get a little butthurt when a CD ends up stealing away attention. It happens, even though it doesn't make a ton of sense. The kind of guys who would entertain the idea of fuckin' with a CD aren't the kind of guys the women around here should be wanting attention from anyhow.

In Paris' case, I understand why she'd be so upset. She's got a reputation to uphold and she feels lied to. If she only wants to screw around with straight guys and that's the way Daryl portrayed himself, then Daryl should have least kept his indiscretions on the down-low instead of making them public, especially to Paris. That would have at least been the decent thing to do. Instead, it's now public fodder and I'd be really surprised if the women around here don't use it as ammo in arguments against her.

I'm not saying I feel sorry for Paris. She probably should have gotten to know Daryl a little better before putting out. Had she, I'd bet she would have figured out that Daryl is a bit of a self-absorbed borderline sociopath and likely wouldn't have passed him a freebie anyhow.

From Daryl's standpoint, it's none of Paris' business who he fucks, and I'd have to agree with him on that. Other than having to consider amending to his tag name: "The Tranny Fucker* (aka the CrossDresser Fucker)" and putting up with a mild amount of ridicule over the ordeal, he's more or less getting away scott free.

[GrimFusion]

That's partially because the average person has a too narrow view of what it means to be bisexual. Most people think it means liking male and females equally, but there are an infinite number of variations. Say for example, a woman who is primarily gay, but just likes to have sex with a male like once a year.

I'm a person that believes that lots of sex is not 100% straight. I feel an attraction to some women who are androgynous looking. So even though it is a male attracted to a female, I dont view it as 100% straight. So tlhen I would define it as a point closer to the heterosexuality end of the spectrum, but not 100%. Some men are attracted to the female body builder type. I have seen some I find attractive myself.

The sexual terms such as straight, bi, and gay are so vague, who would have time to explain to everyone what their particular brand of bisexuality is? And most people would not want to know, about someone's fantasies, etc. So even though it is naturally for sexual labes to be discussed here, it should not be the big deal that it is, in my opinion.

Co-sign.

[TsVanessa69]

Asians are the hottest, fuck you all!
thats not what the poll results were
Us latina's are the hottest

[BellaBellucci]

Like, NO TS's on this board look like GG's...they all look like TS's.

Maybe I need better photos again, because that's not what I hear from people in my day-to-day life. In fact, those who know had to ask and those who don't, don't. This includes store clerks, family court officials, people on the street, etc. I've often been asked how I was married to a woman, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that my ex is often asked the same question. That said, I'm really confused about how you could make a statement like this without meeting us all. There's more to 'passability' than sexy photos. :wiggle:

~BB~

[amberskyi]

I hear what your saying. But alot of guys are not attracted to TS's because they look like women, they are attracted to them because they look like TS's.
They have their own unique look. TS's dont look like natural women, they dont look like men, and they dont look like something in between....they look like TS's (only way I can explain it). Maybe a handful of TS's in this world look like actually GG's. Like, NO TS's on this board look like GG's...they all look like TS's. And that should not be taken as an insult because it is not one. Personally, I take TS's serious. As people, I take them serious...CD's I dont.

but with that said. TS/TV/CD/femboi...whatever. my dick sees the same thing. I would fuck a hot cd or tv, but would be done with them after that. (and yes there are MANY CD's that look as good as the top tier of TS's) So call me a faggot....but GG's and TS's are the only people in the world that I am romantically interested in...because as "people" they are on the same level to me...

and on a side note. Why would so many guys, that pay to fuck cd/tv's (or pay the cd/tv's to fuck them), not just pay an actual male escort...if they are so gay?

lol @ all of the above.well they do say gay men clock us the best...

[BellaBellucci]

lol @ all of the above.well they do say gay men clock us the best...

Sure, but so many gay men are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down. Typical gay over-compensated arrogance: 'hey, look, I can spot the tranny.' One time I had a gay man 'read' me by telling me, 'look at that jawline.' Sure, I have some male-esque features (like a lot of women), but I have an oval-shaped face, which many studies say is one of the pre-eminent female facial shapes, so I was like, 'WTF?!' Come to find out, the man in question was told I was trans!

I think a gay man would even try to 'clock' a GG if he were desperate enough for attention. Don't even get me started. :geek:

~BB~

[audifan]

He's basically reiterating. What it sounds like he's trying to say is that a few of these CDs are TSs pre-transition. Why pick on somebody when ten years down the road, they might be the next new diva on HA? That's a weak argument, though...

OK, thanks, but I didn't get that from his post. What he said was...


...Everyone who knows they are females in a male body, or knows they are women, does not transition, due to fear, family, religion, lack of information or even their own bigotry. Some wait till late in life, or cross dress, commit suicide or just live long suffering lives...


That seems to me to be about TS's not CD's :confused:

I was just seeking to understand what point he was making. If he's just reiterating statements already made in these threads then that doesn't sit well with his claim that the board has failed to extend any knowledge wisdom or understanding about gender or sexuality.

[stillies77]

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[Silcc69]

Interesting. I grew up in Asia and as a kid I never understood white people saying Asian people "all look the same" when I was surrounded by millions of them and they each looked different.

Would be good to hear what an Asian TS woman like Alyssaluxor has to say about this.

Well some thing all blacks look the same too. They think that about alot of races. It get's more difficult with Japanese, Koreans and Chinese but I can the difference between them and Laotians and Cambodians and Filipino's. The last group tends to mess with black guys a bunch. :dancing:

[thombergeron]

That said, I'm really confused about how you could make a statement like this without meeting us all.

Eleven minutes later...


Sure, but so many gay men are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down.

[BellaBellucci]

Eleven minutes later...

My first response was to the comment: 'Like, NO (emphasis mine) TS's on this board look like GG's...they all look like TS's.' Then my comment was about 'so many' gay men, i.e. to the point of it being a cultural identifier but not necessarily applying without exeption. So, umm... what's your point?

~BB~

[thombergeron]

Sooooo... you're only kind of making a wild-ass generalization, whereas toopretty was really making a wild-ass generalization.

I'm sure you know a lot of gay guys, but it's still going to represent somewhere on the order of 0.0000001% of the male homosexual population. So it's really not possible for you to know what gay men generally do. For instance, I also know a lot of gay guys, and virtually none of them "are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down."

I guess my point, in both of the posts I've made to this thread, is that it's really disappointing that, on a forum exclusively populated by marginalized and disenfranchised people, we still get a near-constant rumble of bigotry.

I just expect more from people who have themselves been victimized. The OP loves to talk about how hard she had it early on, how she was picked on and her family threw her out. But she also loves to call people names. That's called hypocrisy, and there's a reason Dante found the hypocrites in the furthest depths of hell, beneath even the murderers and rapists.

Love this, BTW:


Despite the fact there are more bats and balls on this board than at a Yankees game,the word "faggot" gets thrown around here more than any 7th grade school yard in the country.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Hey dumb, dumbs....we are on a ts site of course you know we are ts.

Secondly, I have been living as a ts for 16 years and never have I been clocked by gay/straight/bi in public.

Nor have I dealt with the hate I get on this board towards transsexuals.

I went to high school as a girl and the kids were cool.....

This board disgusts me sometimes.

[amberskyi]

Hey dumb, dumbs....we are on a ts site of course you know we are ts.

Secondly, I have been living as a ts for 16 years and never have I been clocked by gay/straight/bi in public.

Nor have I dealt with the hate I get on this board towards transsexuals.

I went to high school as a girl and the kids were cool.....

This board disgusts me sometimes.

girl they didnt tell you? being a ts means a life of ostracization,ridicule,and isolation from all of society.
its very interesting that the most judgement and shit i get seem to be from the gay community and ts admirers...

[BellaBellucci]

I guess my point, in both of the posts I've made to this thread, is that it's really disappointing that, on a forum exclusively populated by marginalized and disenfranchised people, we still get a near-constant rumble of bigotry.

Generally, it's the perception that the gay population looks down upon transsexuals. And it's been my experience as well that the gay community at large, as well as many individuals within it, have shown arrogance towards us quite often.

There's a fine line between open-mindedness and selective perception and ignoring attitudes that most gay people have towards us would be a mistake, especially on the legislative front (just look at ENDA), so please don't shoot the messenger.

~BB~

[innocentbychoice]

Sooooo... you're only kind of making a wild-ass generalization, whereas toopretty was really making a wild-ass generalization.

I'm sure you know a lot of gay guys, but it's still going to represent somewhere on the order of 0.0000001% of the male homosexual population. So it's really not possible for you to know what gay men generally do. For instance, I also know a lot of gay guys, and virtually none of them "are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down."

I guess my point, in both of the posts I've made to this thread, is that it's really disappointing that, on a forum exclusively populated by marginalized and disenfranchised people, we still get a near-constant rumble of bigotry.

I just expect more from people who have themselves been victimized. The OP loves to talk about how hard she had it early on, how she was picked on and her family threw her out. But she also loves to call people names. That's called hypocrisy, and there's a reason Dante found the hypocrites in the furthest depths of hell, beneath even the murderers and rapists.

Love this, BTW:

I think this is the best answer so far.

As a gay man myself, I was gonna answer to Bella's argument but you've said it all.

For people who have experienced lots rejection, judging and discrimination at some point of their lives, people here seem (I don't know if they really are, but it seems they are) wayy to judgemental and closed-minded.

Guys here are afraid to be seen as gay so they act macho and call each other gay and faggot. And girls are afraid that the guys who are into them are gay so they call them gay for being into them! Even though they feel like women, and want to be treated and seen as such, but they say anyone attracted to a ts can't be straight. So, you're pretty much calling yourself a man.

Who gives a fuck?? Just be happy someone's into you and that they accept you for who you are (penis included)!

I don't get it. But the forum is fun nonetheless.

[MrsKellyPierce]

girl they didnt tell you? being a ts means a life of ostracization,ridicule,and isolation from all of society.
its very interesting that the most judgement and shit i get seem to be from the gay community and ts admirers...
Isn't it? I mean c'mon...they are so scared of their own sexuality being exposed. They put their demons on us.

[nonnonnon]

This board disgusts me sometimes.

I appreciate you! :dancing:

[BellaBellucci]

Who gives a fuck?? Just be happy someone's into you and that they accept you for who you are (penis included)!

That's easy for you to say. As a gay man, you're comfortable in your body... and that's an excellent example of the disconnect that I'm talking about right there. Thanks for that. :geek: :lol:


Isn't it? I mean c'mon...they are so scared of their own sexuality being exposed. They put their demons on us.

But that's our job, didn't you know? We're not people. We're objects, penises with boobs and hair, even when we're not performing in porn. That way, no man has to feel any guilt for his actions or attractions - he can just blame it on us. We 'trapped' them. And GG's think they have it bad!

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's easy for you to say. As a gay man, you're comfortable in your body... and that's an excellent example of the disconnect that I'm talking about right there. Thanks for that. :geek: :lol:



But that's our job, didn't you know? We're not people. We're objects, penises with boobs and hair, even when we're not performing in porn. That way, no man has to feel any guilt for his actions or attractions - he can just blame it on us. We 'trapped' them. And GG's think they have it bad!

~BB~lol TRUTH!!!

[innocentbychoice]

That's easy for you to say. As a gay man, you're comfortable in your body... and that's an excellent example of the disconnect that I'm talking about right there. Thanks for that. :geek: :lol:


I understand that, I know that lots of tgirls hate their penises, and as a result hate the men who are attracted to them because of that. I just don't understand the name calling, if you call a guy who is attracted to you "gay", you're calling yourself a man.

[BellaBellucci]

I understand that, I know that lots of tgirls hate their penises, and as a result hate the men who are attracted to them because of that. I just don't understand the name calling, if you call a guy who is attracted to you "gay", you're calling yourself a man.

Just speaking for me, I don't hate my penis because I don't let it define me, but I do consider it a nuisance. What I also consider a nuisance are the guys who want all transsexuals to love their penises, because they do. As far as most girls are concerned, myself included, that's only OK if they're paying for the privilege. In my love life I want a man (or woman) who wants me despite my penis, not because of it, and more importantly, isn't going to leave just because I get SRS later on down the road.

... and I never call trans-attracted or penis-attracted men gay unless they like men. And seriously, why is it an insult to be called gay anyway? Why don't you ask the guys that instead of harping on the girls who often themselves feel threatened by the very 'admirers,' that claim to love them. Let me save you the trouble: it's because the real homophobes are the testosterone poisoned here among us. Freud would be proud.

Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)

~BB~

[thombergeron]

Generally, it's the perception that the gay population looks down upon transsexuals. And it's been my experience as well that the gay community at large, as well as many individuals within it, have shown arrogance towards us quite often.

There's a fine line between open-mindedness and selective perception and ignoring attitudes that most gay people have towards us would be a mistake, especially on the legislative front (just look at ENDA), so please don't shoot the messenger.

~BB~

Bella, again, I don't know any gay men who look down on transsexuals. Sounds like you do. But it would be delusional for either of us to extend our narrow experience to the entire "gay community."

It is epistemologically impossible for you to know how "most gay people" feel toward you. Therefore, you have made a judgement about an entire class of people for which you have insufficient evidence. Unfortunately, that makes you a bigot.

Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

[innocentbychoice]

Just speaking for me, I don't hate my penis because I don't let it define me, but I do consider it a nuisance. What I also consider a nuisance are the guys who want all transsexuals to love their penises, because they do. As far as most girls are concerned, myself included, that's only OK if they're paying for the privilege. In my love life I want a man (or woman) who wants me despite my penis, not because of it, and more importantly, isn't going to leave just because I get SRS later on down the road.

... and I never call trans-attracted or penis-attracted men gay unless they like men. And seriously, why is it an insult to be called gay anyway? Why don't you ask the guys that instead of harping on the girls who often themselves feel threatened by the very 'admirers,' that claim to love them. Let me save you the trouble: it's because the real homophones are the testosterone poisoned here among us. Freud would be proud.

Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)

~BB~

It is not an insult. But here it is used as an insult. Guys and girls here are like "shut up you're gay because you take it up the ass.." followed by the mandatory phrase "not that's there's anything wrong about that". When you have to clarify that "there's nothing wrong about that" or "no offense" it's because you know it's gonna be offensive.

And I talk about the girls because, let's face it, it's not surprising for some straight men, who pretty much have it a lot easier than gays and transpeople when it comes to fitting in society standarts (and therefore aren't as conscious about tolerance and the words they use), to use gay and trans slurs when they feel their egos and masculinity threatened.

All I'm saying is I don't understand when tgirls use it, cuz that's pretty much like demeaning their transition and saying they're men.

PS: I'm a psychologist, so we can talk about Freud all you want :). It could be interesting.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella, again, I don't know any gay men who look down on transsexuals. Sounds like you do. But it would be delusional for either of us to extend our narrow experience to the entire "gay community."

It is epistemologically impossible for you to know how "most gay people" feel toward you. Therefore, you have made a judgement about an entire class of people for which you have insufficient evidence. Unfortunately, that makes you a bigot.

Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

You're a funny guy. I'm merely stating my opinion based on my own experiences. I didn't say I discriminate against gay men or that I have anything against them. I'm pointing out that politically their leaders aren't particularly fond of us, and many transsexuals I know, as well as I, have been, per capita, harassed by more gay people than straight people. And I'm not sure where you got the idea that my opinion was limited to my own personal experience, but ask around.

And calling me a bigot? For what? Identifying cultural differences? Please. The only 'politically correct' thing to say about any group any more is that there aren't any differences among them, and that's patently false. Political correctness pretty much says that groups of people aren't allowed to define themselves 'because we're all the same.' Gays, straights, blacks, whites, Asians, etc.

Oh really?! Is that so?! Well, I'd argue that saying that we're all the same is much more bigoted than respecting the rights of groups to define their own principals are dare to be different. We're not all the same. Every culture is different, every person is different, and yes, some people are better than others. Sorry, but that's the truth. And while I know that not every gay man feels animosity towards transsexuals, it's also not right to refuse to see the gay community's cultural and political inclination towards that feeling, but what's more is (and chew on this for a minute) I would actually defend the gay community's right to feel the way they do about ours and would hope they would do the same for others. They may be wrong, and hell, I may be wrong, but it's more than our right, it's our responsibility to have these conversations openly and frankly and work out our differences so that they can be celebrated instead of vilified.

And of course there are always exceptions. I actually have plenty of gay friends who agree with me and think that the way that so many others in their community treat us is just as wrong as I do and lends itself to negative stereotypes and they wish it would stop.

So does this all sound like something a bigot would say? I think you're way out of line here.

~BB~

[toopretty]

Sure, but so many gay men are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down. Typical gay over-compensated arrogance: 'hey, look, I can spot the tranny.' One time I had a gay man 'read' me by telling me, 'look at that jawline.' Sure, I have some male-esque features (like a lot of women), but I have an oval-shaped face, which many studies say is one of the pre-eminent female facial shapes, so I was like, 'WTF?!' Come to find out, the man in question was told I was trans!

I think a gay man would even try to 'clock' a GG if he were desperate enough for attention. Don't even get me started. :geek:

~BB~

I wasn't trying to put you down and I'm sorry if I did. I was just trying to make a point that I amazed at some of the closed-minds and jacked up self-concept of some of the TS's on this board. I'm just saying...from a sexual attraction aspect there is no difference between cd's, tv's, or ts's.
Like Paris put some of her CD pics earlier in this board and I thought she was just about as sexually attractive as she is now (and she is very attractive now)...my dick sees no difference. You put a hot, fit, petite, feminine looking crossdresser next to a hot TS and Id want to fuck them both equally. But that is not me saying that your nothing more than a crossdresser. Now if that crossdresser took off the clothes, make up, and wig and I still wanted to fuck him...then Id be gay. For a man to be sexually attracted to ANYTHING IN THE FEMININE FORM is not gay.... It's pretty much the opposite of gay.
I already put up a link in another thread where I asked a gay forum if any of them wanted to fuck a ts or cd (and i put pictures of both) and none of the gay men wanted to fuck or date either...they saw them both as "girl"

[BellaBellucci]

I just read my post again and realized that maybe, more specifically, the problem is with the lack of leadership of our respective communities. Xenophobia is used by a lot of individuals as a defense mechanism to that which they don't understand. Stronger leadership that educates its constituents is probably the key here as would be an honest desire for mutual understanding.

~BB~

[innocentbychoice]

I wasn't trying to put you down and I'm sorry if I did. I was just trying to make a point that I amazed at some of the closed-minds and jacked up self-concept of some of the TS's on this board. I'm just saying...from a sexual attraction aspect there is no difference between cd's, tv's, or ts's.
Like Paris put some of her CD pics earlier in this board and I thought she was just about as sexually attractive as she is now (and she is very attractive now)...my dick sees no difference. You put a hot, fit, petite, feminine looking crossdresser next to a hot TS and Id want to fuck them both equally. But that is not me saying that your nothing more than a crossdresser. Now if that crossdresser took off the clothes, make up, and wig and I still wanted to fuck him...then Id be gay. For a man to be sexually attracted to ANYTHING IN THE FEMININE FORM is not gay. It pretty the opposite of what gay men want.
I already put up a link in another thread where I asked a gay forum if any of them wanted to fuck a ts or cd (and i put pictures of both) and none of the gay men wanted to fuck or date either...they saw them both as "girl"



^Ask me! I'm gay. I wouldn't have sex with any of the girls here, now the guys...

[toopretty]

Paris... You are not gorgeous and man face is quite easily seen on you. You are what is called a big faced wench. Embrace it. You are not hot and would qualify in my little eyes as someone early in transition... And Wack. You are a fat-faced trollop with obvious mental deficiencies. You are delusional and lying to yourself. Again i agree with your cd assessment, however, you are one of those Cds you so rightly "get at"...

I disagree with some of the things Paris says but this is a bit much.
She looks great. Period.

[BellaBellucci]

I wasn't trying to put you down and I'm sorry if I did. I was just trying to make a point that I amazed at some of the closed-minds and jacked up self-concept of some of the TS's on this board. I'm just saying...from a sexual attraction aspect there is no difference between cd's, tv's, or ts's.

I don't feel insulted. I don't really do that. For me, my arguments are a matter of principal. That said, if you really feel that there is no difference between CDs and TSs, even just sexually, then your attraction can't possibly be towards women. It has to be towards the trappings of femininity, and in the case of the CD, their overcompensation for their lack of natural feminine features. In short, letting your little head think for you probably isn't the best way to deal with transgenders of any kind because it doesn't consider the feelings of the person you're with; it just wants to penetrate something.


Like Paris put some of her CD pics earlier in this board and I thought she was just about as sexually attractive as she is now (and she is very attractive now)...my dick sees no difference.

Yes, she was always cute, but you don't think she's more attractive now that she's more feminine? No judgment, but seriously, you might want to contemplate that you might actually be gay.


You put a hot, fit, petite, feminine looking crossdresser next to a hot TS and Id want to fuck them both equally. But that is not me saying that your nothing more than a crossdresser.

Actually, since we're discussing your sexual attractions exclusively, yes it is. :lol:


Now if that crossdresser took off the clothes, make up, and wig and I still wanted to fuck him...then Id be gay. For a man to be sexually attracted to ANYTHING IN THE FEMININE FORM is not gay....

A man in a dress is not a feminine form. Once again, I'd argue that your attraction is to the objects (trappings) of femininity and it's to the point where you can be attracted to any person bearing them, but that doesn't change the fact that a CD is a man.

As a side note, I saw the hottest girl at the bar last nite. She'd been dancing and sweating and she seemed to want to talk to me, but I just couldn't do it. Do you know why? Because she smelled like a man. When you have sex with someone, do you usually make them sweat? Yeah. Not very pleasant.


It's pretty much the opposite of gay.
I already put up a link in another thread where I asked a gay forum if any of them wanted to fuck a ts or cd (and i put pictures of both) and none of the gay men wanted to fuck or date either...they saw them both as "girl"

That doesn't make it the opposite of gay. It means that those gay men are attracted to other men who don't have the 'trappings of femininity' (CDs). If they want a man's man, that doesn't magically make CDs women.

~BB~

[toopretty]

I don't feel insulted. I don't really do that. For me, my arguments are a matter of principal. That said, if you really feel that there is no difference between CDs and TSs, even just sexually, then your attraction can't possibly be towards women. It has to be towards the trappings of femininity, and in the case of the CD, their overcompensation for their lack of natural feminine features. In short, letting your little head think for you probably isn't the best way to deal with transgenders of any kind because it doesn't consider the feelings of the person you're with; it just wants to penetrate something.



Yes, she was always cute, but you don't think she's more attractive now that she's more feminine? No judgment, but seriously, you might want to contemplate that you might actually be gay.



Actually, since we're discussing your sexual attractions exclusively, yes it is. :lol:



A man in a dress is not a feminine form. Once again, I'd argue that your attraction is to the objects (trappings) of femininity and it's to the point where you can be attracted to any person bearing them, but that doesn't change the fact that a CD is a man.

As a side note, I saw the hottest girl at the bar last nite. She'd been dancing and sweating and she seemed to want to talk to me, but I just couldn't do it. Do you know why? Because she smelled like a man. When you have sex with someone, do you usually make them sweat? Yeah. Not very pleasant.



That doesn't make it the opposite of gay. It means that gay men are only attracted to other men who don't have the 'trappings of femininity' (CDs). They want a man's man, but that doesn't magically make CDs women.

~BB~

Im sexually attracted to GG's above all creatures. But yes, if someone is hot and VERY feminine looking, I probably want to fuck them. I dont think CD's are women...i just dont think its gay to want to fuck hot ones. But TS's...I consider them on the same level as GG's even though they their own unique creatures. I would date them, befriend them, marry them...all that. I think fucking, sucking, or getting fucked by a TS is completely, 1 trillion % straight.

actually... you caught me...im totally gay and Im only on this board because Daryl posts shirtless pics

[goku]

Bella, again, I don't know any gay men who look down on transsexuals. Sounds like you do. But it would be delusional for either of us to extend our narrow experience to the entire "gay community."

It is epistemologically impossible for you to know how "most gay people" feel toward you. Therefore, you have made a judgement about an entire class of people for which you have insufficient evidence. Unfortunately, that makes you a bigot.

Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.


Gay people don't like transsexuals.

Gay people also don't understand guys who like transsexuals. It is what it is.

[thombergeron]

Bella, you can construct all sorts of high-minded strawmen, but my experience is that people generally trot out the "politically correct" epithet when they're appealing for some sort of victim status. No one here has assaulted your "cultural analysis."

This is what I object to:


Sure, but so many gay men are just drama queens looking to boost their bruised egos by putting people down. Typical gay over-compensated arrogance: 'hey, look, I can spot the tranny.' One time I had a gay man 'read' me by telling me, 'look at that jawline.' Sure, I have some male-esque features (like a lot of women), but I have an oval-shaped face, which many studies say is one of the pre-eminent female facial shapes, so I was like, 'WTF?!' Come to find out, the man in question was told I was trans!

I think a gay man would even try to 'clock' a GG if he were desperate enough for attention. Don't even get me started.

"So many gay men are just drama queens."

"Typical gay overcompensated arrogance.”

As evidence in support of these generalizations about the several hundred million gay men on the planet, you cite your experience with one catty person.

Then we got you started, and you went to assert that “most gay people” hold these attitudes. This is demonstrably false. As evidence that this is demonstrably false, I’ll also bring up ENDA. Amongst GLBT policy organizations, nearly all insist that gender identity protection be included, with a small minority arguing that transgender-specific language is unnecessary to achieve full protection against gender-identity discrimination. Literally zero gay-advocacy organizations have argued that transgenders do not deserve the protection against discrimination that ENDA promises. The current version of the bill includes transgender-specific protections.

You are, as you say, merely stating an opinion. But your opinion is bigoted. Just because you aren’t in a position to discriminate does not mean that you can’t hold a bigoted opinion. I wish you weren’t a bigot, and I really hope you’ll think about it. But using your narrow experience to develop negative judgments about a broad class of people is, actually, the definition of bigotry.

[thombergeron]

Gay people don't like transsexuals.

Gay people also don't understand guys who like transsexuals. It is what it is.

Infidel defilers. They shall all drown in lakes of blood.

[tsparisangelline]

In Paris' case, I understand why she'd be so upset. She's got a reputation to uphold and she feels lied to. If she only wants to screw around with straight guys and that's the way Daryl portrayed himself, then Daryl should have least kept his indiscretions on the down-low instead of making them public, especially to Paris. That would have at least been the decent thing to do. Instead, it's now public fodder and I'd be really surprised if the women around here don't use it as ammo in arguments against her.

I'm not saying I feel sorry for Paris. She probably should have gotten to know Daryl a little better before putting out. Had she, I'd bet she would have figured out that Daryl is a bit of a self-absorbed borderline sociopath and likely wouldn't have passed him a freebie anyhow.

From Daryl's standpoint, it's none of Paris' business who he fucks, and I'd have to agree with him on that. Other than having to consider amending to his tag name: "The Tranny Fucker* (aka the CrossDresser Fucker)" and putting up with a mild amount of ridicule over the ordeal, he's more or less getting away scott free.

What does daryl have to do with anything? lol
Y'all focus on him WAY TO MUCH!


Maybe I need better photos again, because that's not what I hear from people in my day-to-day life. In fact, those who know had to ask and those who don't, don't. This includes store clerks, family court officials, people on the street, etc. I've often been asked how I was married to a woman, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that my ex is often asked the same question. That said, I'm really confused about how you could make a statement like this without meeting us all. There's more to 'passability' than sexy photos. :wiggle:

~BB~

lol


Hey dumb, dumbs....we are on a ts site of course you know we are ts.

Secondly, I have been living as a ts for 16 years and never have I been clocked by gay/straight/bi in public.

Nor have I dealt with the hate I get on this board towards transsexuals.

I went to high school as a girl and the kids were cool.....

This board disgusts me sometimes.

RIGHT




Like Paris put some of her CD pics earlier in this board and I thought she was just about as sexually attractive as she is now (and she is very attractive now)

Umm I was never a CD, my name and gender id marker were changed at 16 and I lived my life as a woman since 15.


I disagree with some of the things Paris says but this is a bit much.
She looks great. Period.

lol

[BellaBellucci]

You are, as you say, merely stating an opinion. But your opinion is bigoted. Just because you aren’t in a position to discriminate does not mean that you can’t hold a bigoted opinion. I wish you weren’t a bigot, and I really hope you’ll think about it. But using your narrow experience to develop negative judgments about a broad class of people is, actually, the definition of bigotry.

While we may disagree, and while I may be ignorant of your perspective, that doesn't make me bigoted. A bigot is set in their ways and doesn't want to learn. I understand your point of view, I'm certainly not ignoring it, and I always want to expand my own, but I also know that my experiences and that of many TS girls have clearly been different from yours and I can only speak from my own place.

Moreover, from my view, the bigot is you because you steadfastly defend a community in its totality by applying an all-or-nothing, black-or-white standard to say that either all gay men hold animosity towards transsexuals or none do, which of course is a fallacy in itself, and that not only am I wrong, I'm a bigot for arguing that there a large number of people within a certain community who exhibit certain behaviors.

It seems like you would rather ignore the problem by arguing the semantics of quantity, than have an honest discussion. I mean, in the end, does it really matter? It's a problem with a lot of people within the gay community, regardless of the number, and regardless of whether or not you've experienced it personally (remember, you can't prove a negative), and people need to wisen up to it instead of pretending everything is lollipops and roses.

~BB~

[toopretty]

Umm I was never a CD, my name and gender id marker were changed at 16 and I lived my life as a woman since 15.



sorry, no disrespect...I was referring to the "wig and prosthetic tits" pictures. I guess I consider that crossdressing.

[tsparisangelline]

sorry, no disrespect...I was referring to the "wig and prosthetic tits" pictures. I guess I consider that crossdressing.

Which is why all of you are failing at this thread, a crossdresser is a BOY who identifies as a BOY and dresses up as a GIRL but does not live there life as one.

[BellaBellucci]

sorry, no disrespect...I was referring to the "wig and prosthetic tits" pictures. I guess I consider that crossdressing.

First 3 rules of transsexualism: 'identity, identity, identity.'

~BB~

[toopretty]

Which is why all of you are failing at this thread, a crossdresser is a BOY who identifies as a BOY and dresses up as a GIRL but does not live there life as one.

i guess that is where we differ and is probably the basis of our disagreement...to me, anyone that isnt full blown transsexual is cd/tv. which is also why I say its not gay to fuck them.

[tsparisangelline]

i guess that is where we differ and is probably the basis of our disagreement...to me, anyone that isnt full blown transsexual is cd/tv. which is also why I say its not gay to fuck them.

It isn't a differ in opinion, it is fact.

A crossdresser dresses up as a woman a ts lives full time.


And hun just to get this clear during the time of those pics I lived full time.

These pics I lived full time too.

[thombergeron]

You haven't demonstrated that there is a problem to be ignored. You have demonstrated that you have come across some number of people who are bigoted against transsexuals and are also gay. This is a problem for these individuals, but not for "gay people."

This is actually an extraordinarily important distinction, and not merely "semantics of quantity." To be clear, you are holding several hundred million individuals collectively responsible for the actions of a few. That's not rational, and it's not honest.

No one is talking lollipops and roses. I conspicuously never said that all gay men are entirely innocent of bigotry themselves. That would indeed be a fallacy. But you've claimed, variously, that "many," "most," or "a lot of" gay people are bigoted against transsexuals. I've responded that there is simply no way for you to know that, and that the only way for you to hold that opinion is on the basis of generalizations, stereotypes, and preconceived notions.

Finally, one certainly can prove a negative: modus tollendo tollens.

[thombergeron]

Which is to say, why do any of you fucking people give a crap, or have anything at all to say, about who anybody else wants to fuck? Clean your own damn houses and keep a civil fucking tongue in your heads.

[tsparisangelline]

The majority of gay men I have met do not understand transsexuals and think we are just gay boys who are mentally confused and want men.

[amberskyi]

i guess that is where we differ and is probably the basis of our disagreement...to me, anyone that isnt full blown transsexual is cd/tv. which is also why I say its not gay to fuck them.

please do pray tell what a full blow transsexual is?
its very interesting that we keep trying to tell you guys the difference between a ts and a cd is mentality.a ts from a very young age knows she was supposed to be a woman.its a conviction,a knowledge or feeling we have since we were very young.
A CROSSDRESSER HOWEVER HAS NO REAL DESIRE TO BE A WOMAN.putting on a dress and looking pretty doesnt make the person a woman.it just means the man has feminine physical features.
it has nothing to do with looks.yes alot of time when a ts is just starting out they may dress up part time or not look too great but she is still a woman in her mind.a crossdresser when dressed up knows that they are a man playing a part (and they are happy with that).
im not sure where this wall of ignorance is coming from.no matter how many time we explain or how intelligently we word it ya'll just refuse to accept what the facts are.at least be honest and just say you dont care if its a woman or not as long as it looks pretty.any man whos truely into woman almost exclusively would understand the difference.
paris was a full blown woman her whole life!!!!! regardless of how she looked.

[tsparisangelline]

please do pray tell what a full blow transsexual is?
its very interesting that we keep trying to tell you guys the difference between a ts and a cd is mentality.a ts from a very young age knows she was supposed to be a woman.its a conviction,a knowledge or feeling we have since we were very young.
A CROSSDRESSER HOWEVER HAS NO REAL DESIRE TO BE A WOMAN.putting on a dress and looking pretty doesnt make the person a woman.it just means the man has feminine physical features.
it has nothing to do with looks.yes alot of time when a ts is just starting out the may dress up part time or not look to great but she is still a woman in her mind.a crossdresser when dressed up knows that they are a man playing a part (and they are happy with that).
im not sure where is wall of ignorance is coming from.no matter how many time we explain or how intelligently we word it ya'll just refuse to accept what the facts are.at least be honest and just say i dont care if its a woman or not as long as it looks pretty.any man whos truely were into woman almost exclusively you would understand the difference.
paris was a full blown woman her whole life!!!!! regardless of how she looked.

I hate to say it but we have stated fact after fact and these people just let it go in one ear and out the other, it makes me ashamed to be found attractive by these men.

This is depressing :(

[BellaBellucci]

You haven't demonstrated that there is a problem to be ignored. You have demonstrated that you have come across some number of people who are bigoted against transsexuals and are also gay. This is a problem for these individuals, but not for "gay people."

The way a person represents their community is an issue that concerns everyone within that community.


This is actually an extraordinarily important distinction, and not merely "semantics of quantity." To be clear, you are holding several hundred million individuals collectively responsible for the actions of a few. That's not rational, and it's not honest.

I'm making the best possible analysis with the limited information that I have. When I'm able to meet every gay person in the world, then you'll have a point. Until then, it's a straw man argument just as I said. What you're saying is that 'you can't prove that all gay people feel that way, and I've never seen it, so none do, and you're a bigot.'


No one is talking lollipops and roses. I conspicuously never said that all gay men are entirely innocent of bigotry themselves. That would indeed be a fallacy. But you've claimed, variously, that "many," "most," or "a lot of" gay people are bigoted against transsexuals. I've responded that there is simply no way for you to know that, and that the only way for you to hold that opinion is on the basis of generalizations, stereotypes, and preconceived notions.

No, you didn't say that, but you used the implication of it to distract attention away from the problem: people within the gay community, their number subject to speculation but in my opinion many-to-most, who are xenophobic.

And it's not on the basis of stereotypes, it's based on personal experiences. Stereotypes are based in the third person. And again, it doesn't change the way I approach a gay person one iota. It's simply an objective hypothesis based on my point of view. I guess the problem with my objectivity in the matter is that it is based on subjective evidence, and I'll admit that, but it's all anyone really has in matter such as these.


Finally, one certainly can prove a negative: modus tollendo tollens.

My bad. Good call! :Bowdown:

But in this case, it would be impossible for you to prove that you've never experienced gay xenophobia.

~BB~

[amberskyi]

I hate to say it but we have stated fact after fact and these people just let it go in one ear and out the other, it makes me ashamed to be found attractive by these men.

This is depressing :(

and than they have the nerve to ask why some ts woman arent into dating ts admirers...why whould i date someone who doesnt understand truely understand why im a woman or how im a woman.they claim to see us as woman but i think this thread has really proved otherwise

[tsparisangelline]

and than they have the nerve to ask why some ts woman arent into dating ts admirers...why whould i date someone who doesnt understand truely understand why im a woman or how im a woman.they claim to see as woman but i think this thread has really proved otherwise

I have said that since day one, did you read where the guy said we are not woman to him? Or the one who said all trannys look like trannys?

lol

[innocentbychoice]

Gay people don't like transsexuals.

Gay people also don't understand guys who like transsexuals. It is what it is.

I am gay and I like transsexuals (not in a sexual way, except trans men).

I am gay and I understand guys who like transgirls.

Am I wrong? Am I less gay now?

You are doing exactly what we are talking about, generalizing.

[fred41]

I am gay and I like transsexuals (not in a sexual way, except trans men).

I am gay and I understand guys who like transgirls.

Am I wrong? Am I less gay now?

You are doing exactly what we are talking about, generalizing.

I honestly think that people always remember negative experiences (or responses...such as sometimes written on this site) more than positive ones. The negative stuff leaves a deeper impression...so with that comes the generalizing.