What do you consider Gay?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!

[Yoite]

The balls touching

[Anubis1779]

being attracted to males

[rwmtenn]

IMO, it can't be defined by the variables of a certain situation...

Boobs/No Boobs
Bottom/Top
Sucking/Being Sucked

If you are a male and you engage (or want to engage) in sexual activities with another:

Male
Transexual
Transvestite
CD

That to me is gay....nothing wrong with it, but it is gay.

There are a lot of guys out there, like myself, that are repulsed by the thought of being with a "man", but would jump at the chance to sleep with a transexual...

I guess some guys want to tell themselves that isn't gay....

While it may FEEL a little LESS gay...it isn't. IMO, you can't be more or less gay. lol

[rwmtenn]

the balls touching

haha!

[giovanni_hotel]

I would never consider what someone else does with a tranny, 'gay'.

I personally have a hang-up with bottoming, and if a girl doesn't vibe me as feminine, boobs are not, I can't get with that.

At this point, I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not, sexually speaking.

People who are constantly obsessed with counting up who 'faggots' are on HA, are either demented IMO, or still very conflicted about their sexuality.

I've learned that trannies have this amazing ability to let you still keep your masculinity after you've just gone down on them.

A really cool trick.

One of the reasons I luv the girls so much!!!

[audifan]

Good thread! Thanks Ms Kelly!

As a guy; I think "gay" is wanting sex with someone who is the same sex.

So for a man, I think "gay" includes guys, CD's, transvestites, femboys, androgynous types, and F-to-M transsexuals who present as male.

I don't think that a pre/non-op M-to-F transsexual who truly presents full-time as female is the same sex as me. And if that's just a delusion then I guess the alternative is I'm some kind of limited and specific bi. Either way, as far as I'm concerned she's a girl, just with slightly different plumbing.

And I think a post-op transsexual simply is just a girl.

[Jackal]

I think gay is an attraction for the same sex but not the opposite sex. Bisexual is attraction to both. Straight is opposite sex without attraction to the same. I don't see why transsexual women/transwomen are any less women than non-transsexual women. Now, if a guy is involved with gender variant, cd's, or transvestite individuals, I think that is a hazy area in terms of labels. As a transattracted guy, I like to use the term pansexual for myself(although I know that doesnt apply to all trans-attracted guys), I've found individuals across the sex/gender-board attractive at times, although not necessarily in terms of engaging in sexual/romantic relations. That's me, though.

[dopearope]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!

First up, lets be truthful here..all the guys here are attracted to the girls cos they have a cock..so there is no point even fighting that. so playing with it and touching it is obviously going to happen.

however..bottoming is GAY...like 100% homosexual..you are not a man if you take dicks up your ass period. sucking dick too.

[Amsterdamage]

what happened to 'bi'?

i think someone is only gay when he/she can/will only kiss/have sex/develop feelings for someone of the same sex. anything else i'd consider 'bi' or 'adventurous' lol

for instance, i appreciate the view and touch of a nice dick, as a sexual organ. however, i'm only physically/sexually attracted to people who i could actually potentially date, which in my case would be a female or passable TS. what would you consider that to be?

[Jackal]

I never understood when homophobes call gay men not men. Then what are they? Are the only "real men" straight? Are bisexuals partially real men? Why are you better than others based on your sexual orientation?

[Amsterdamage]

btw just for the record i'm not bi haha, just wanted to point out there are more 'labels' than just gay/not gay

[Jackal]

People who are constantly obsessed with counting up who 'faggots' are on HA, are either demented IMO, or still very conflicted about their sexuality.

I've learned that trannies have this amazing ability to let you still keep you masculinity after you've just gone down on them.

A really cool trick.

One of the reasons I luv the girls so much!!!

Quoted For Truth

[Falrune]

When individuals of the same sex are attracted to each other and make very little attempt to assume a traditional masculine or feminine rôle.

[audifan]

First up, lets be truthful here..all the guys here are attracted to the girls cos they have a cock..so there is no point even fighting that. so playing with it and touching it is obviously going to happen.

however..bottoming is GAY...like 100% homosexual..you are not a man if you take dicks up your ass period. sucking dick too.

Agree with the first point.

In my heart I feel I agree with your 2nd point, bottoming is gay, but I doubt if everyone sees it the same way.

I don't agree that a homosexual is not a man, he's just a homosexual man.

Sucking dick is kind of disputed territory. I'll happily do it for a pretty feminine t-girl if she's acting feminine and submissive, just like going down on pussy, just different plumbing and technique. However, if she acted dominant/aggressive and wanted me on my knees that's absolutely not going to happen because I'd perceive that as "gay" and massively threatening to my self-image as "straight".

[audifan]

When individuals of the same sex are attracted to each other and make very little attempt to assume a traditional masculine or feminine rôle.

What's role got to do with it? :confused:

As I understand it some gay and lesbian relationships do involve one partner taking a traditional dominant/masculine role and the other the mirror.

[dopearope]

However, if she acted dominant/aggressive and wanted me on my knees that's absolutely not going to happen because I'd perceive that as "gay" and massively threatening to my self-image as "straight".

lmfaoooooooooooooo

[Amsterdamage]

i don't see how bottoming is gay? i know couples who are in a straight relationship, and where the guy is actually entirely straight i.e. he's not into men or TS, but does enjoy the sensation of anal penetration, male g-spot stimulation, prostate milking, whatever u wanna call it. it's purely the physical feeling that counts there. and their (female) gf does it to them and they both enjoy practicing it.

so again, i don't see anything gay about 'bottoming'.

[dopearope]

audi what if she forced your head violently between her legs and started pushing your head up and down like a chicken head?

[dopearope]

i don't see how bottoming is gay? i know couples who are in a straight relationship, and where the guy is actually entirely straight i.e. he's not into men or TS, but does enjoy the sensation of anal penetration, male g-spot stimulation, prostate milking, whatever u wanna call it. their (female) gf does it to them and they both enjoy it.

sp again, i don't see anything gay about 'bottoming'.

he is imagining a cock up his ass most likely.

if that is not gay, there is no such thing as gay.

[Jackal]

he is imagining a cock up his ass most likely.

if that is not gay, there is no such thing as gay.


Having sexual attraction to men but not women is gay. That is what such a thing as gay is. Orientation is not affected by acts, for instance, someone can be a complete virgin but have an orientation. And Amsterdamage is right, pegging is not gay or even a "gay act" it is just a form of sex between a man and a woman.

[nicebrn]

It's not what's considered gay that matters, it's what's considered "not straight" (since "straightness" is the norm).

If you're a man only attracted to vaginas and not willing to have any sexual contact with penises or men's asses under any circumstances...then you are straight by just about any practical definition. If you are not emotionally attracted to men--as in, it's inconceivable that you could have any kind of romantic relationship with another man, then you are also straight. If every now and then you fantasize about other men, but have no intention of ever acting on it, then you're still straight. And even if you had one or two same-sex experiences and concluded that it just wasn't for you, then you're still straight. So stop stressing because you let a transgirl blow you or fuck you in the ass once or twice. Millions of people in this country have done some experimentation at some point (though very few will admit it), and none of them consider themselves anything but straight. And they're right, because it's highly unlikely they'll ever do it again.

Now here's my personal and somewhat controversial opinion: the one thing that both crossdressers and TS girls have in common is that genetically they're both male. Therefore, if you're a man attracted to either one, then you're at least a little bisexual in the technical sense of the term, since you have demonstrated that you don't have an exclusive attraction to females. However, there shouldn't be any shame or stigma in that. All it means it that you're not 100% straight, but that all things being equal you're still oriented towards femininity. (It could also mean that you have a specific fetish for cocks in frocks, or a strong attraction to transgender women in general that's no different from other people preferring partners with a certain emotional temperament, or red hair and pale skin. One can only be distinguished from the other with time.) But that's okay--if you've figured out what you like, don't obsess over it because you've drifted away from the norm. At the end of the day, most of what we like is fairly irrational and not fully subject to our control anyway, so do what you can to make peace with your desires.

Next subject--to me, all the back-and-forth about whether enjoying getting fucked in the ass is inherently gay, or just preferring to be a bottom in general is gay, is just the worst kind of of divisive doublethink and completely misses the point since just about all it does is make people feel like they should be ashamed of a natural preference. It's not about what you do, it's who you do it with and whether it's all part of a pattern of long-term behavior. Sexual acts in and of themselves are neutral, even though we've managed to wrap them up in a whole bunch of cultural and societal baggage that uses words like "dominant" and "submissive." Sexual and emotional attraction is what defines sexual orientation in my opinion, not specific sexual actions. In other words, that guy who really really enjoys getting pegged by females is no less of a bottom than I am--but he's still straight because he'll only allow females to penetrate him. It's just that he either has a fetish for penetration, or the physical sensations of being fucked are at least as satisfying as when he's doing the fucking. I enjoy the same stuff, but I call myself bi because not only do I enjoy sex with both males and females, but I've had romantic attachments with either one. I don't call myself gay because even though now I choose to see TS girls exclusively, I haven't lost my attraction to females (rather, I strongly prefer one over the other).

So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[audifan]

i don't see how bottoming is gay? i know couples who are in a straight relationship, and where the guy is actually entirely straight i.e. he's not into men or TS, but does enjoy the sensation of anal penetration, male g-spot stimulation, prostate milking, whatever u wanna call it. it's purely the physical feeling that counts there. and their (female) gf does it to them and they both enjoy practicing it.

so again, i don't see anything gay about 'bottoming'.

Yeah. Intellectually, I agree with you. But if I'm honest, in my heart I still see bottoming as gay.

I think it's because of the whole dominance/submission thing. To me, penetrative sex involves submission, and I perceive a male who is submissive to be gay. I'm probably wrong to label it that way. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

[dopearope]

Having sexual attraction to men but not women is gay. That is what such a thing as gay is. Orientation is not affected by acts, for instance, someone can be a complete virgin but have an orientation. And Amsterdamage is right, pegging is not gay or even a "gay act" it is just a form of sex between a man and a woman.

why would a straight man want a dick/dildo up his ass then? because he's imagining a man's penis doing it.

why is he imagining a man's penis penetrating him?

because he's gay!

[Jackal]

Yeah. Intellectually, I agree with you. But if I'm honest, in my heart I still see bottoming as gay.

I think it's because of the whole dominance/submission thing. To me, penetrative sex involves submission, and I perceive a male who is submissive to be gay. I'm probably wrong to label it that way. Thanks for pointing that out. :)


I dont think sexual orientation should be based on dom/sub. Are dominate/top men attracted to men not gay or bi? What's your opinion on men who are not interested in men or CD/TV/TG/TS on any level, but like being dominated by women? Like the guys who see dominatrix? Is that gay? I say no. Kinky and different? Yes but it is not gay; they are attracted to women and not men. my .02,

[Jackal]

why would a straight man want a dick/dildo up his ass then? because he's imagining a man's penis doing it.

why is he imagining a man's penis penetrating him?

because he's gay!

lol, a lot of projecting there. I suppose lesbians who use vibrators are really straight? Open your mind and grow a brain, I promise it won't hurt.

[dopearope]

shouldnt you be jerking off to tom moore videos somewhere?

[audifan]

audi what if she forced your head violently between her legs and started pushing your head up and down like a chicken head?

Hahaha, like a "chicken head"? wtf kind of imagination do you have?

Ans = she'd get a warning bite and the party would be over... but would never happen unless we'd both completely misjudged the kind of person we're with.

[audifan]

I dont think sexual orientation should be based on dom/sub. Are dominate/top men attracted to men not gay or bi? What's your opinion on men who are not interested in men or CD/TV/TG/TS on any level, but like being dominated by women? Like the guys who see dominatrix? Is that gay? I say no. Kinky and different? Yes but it is not gay; they are attracted to women and not men. my .02,

Agreed, I think I gave up on arguing that one already.

The original question was specific to a guy bottoming for a t-girl and I still perceive that as most nearly analogous to gay because in that act the t-girl isn't acting as a girl, and the guy is assuming a position he physically couldn't in traditional "straight" sex, but could in traditional "gay" sex. The same applies to bottoming for a gg with a strap-on. I understand intellectually that it's not necessarily "gay" but it still appears that way to me. :confused::)

[Jackal]

shouldnt you be jerking off to tom moore videos somewhere?


shouldn't you be honest with yourself(you must really be gay or bi to know obscure gay porn stars) and drop the bigotry or go hide in your sheets?

[nicebrn]

Yeah. Intellectually, I agree with you. But if I'm honest, in my heart I still see bottoming as gay.

I think it's because of the whole dominance/submission thing. To me, penetrative sex involves submission, and I perceive a male who is submissive to be gay. I'm probably wrong to label it that way. Thanks for pointing that out. :)
Let's come back to this, because this really does seem to be the root of the issue. (Not addressed directly at you audifan...just throwing it out for discussion.)

Why would penetration necessarily imply submission?

I can only say that if you think it must do so all the time, then you've probably never fucked a really bossy power bottom. :)

[dopearope]

he's hardly obscure if he's in every tranny porn vid ever

[audifan]

Let's come back to this, because this really does seem to be the root of the issue. (Not addressed directly at you audifan...just throwing it out for discussion.)

Why would penetration necessarily imply submission?

I can only say that if you think it must do so all the time, then you've probably never fucked a really bossy power bottom. :)

Doesn't necessarily. But it does to me. And I'm scared of bossy girls! :nervous:

I think my prev post on bottoming being something physically you can't do in "traditional" hetero sex but can in traditional "gay" sex may be closer to the root.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I agree with this sentiment....

Gay is when you see your significant other as someone of the same sex....

Bisexual is when you can see your significant other as either same sex/oppisite

And I think you are Asexual when you just like sex and as long as you are attracted you want to fuck them lol

[CaliBoy951]

IMO, gay is when you look at what is between a persons legs (of the same sex) before you see the rest of them and get turned on.

I NEVER even knew what a TS was prior to dating one. The one I dated, I met her through her cousin and was attracted to her and I had no clue, and we hooked up later and that was when I found out (another story).

What I am trying to say is that if you are chasing a TS because of what she has between her legs, that is kinda' gay, IMO. But, if you are open to date a TS based on her as a person and NOT what is between her legs then that is not gay.

Again, this is just my opinion, and I am NOT saying that is the way it is for everybody!

[DL_NL]

A man is gay when he's exclusively into men.

[iagodelgado]

For those who think it's about plumbing, genetics or who tops/bottoms, kindly explain your theory using the picture below.

Plumbing = pussy.
Genetics = XX (supposedly female)
Tops/bottoms? Don't know. Does "identifies as gay male with a pussy" help?

[TsVanessa69]

what happened to 'bi'?

i think someone is only gay when he/she can/will only kiss/have sex/develop feelings for someone of the same sex. anything else i'd consider 'bi' or 'adventurous' lol

for instance, i appreciate the view and touch of a nice dick, as a sexual organ. however, i'm only physically/sexually attracted to people who i could actually potentially date, which in my case would be a female or passable TS. what would you consider that to be?
a straight guy in touch with his freaky side. Ts and females are both woman.

[anaxander]

Sex for me has less to do with sexual organs and more to do with gender roles. I like women.

[TsJennifer]

If a male is attracted to men and men only makes them gay

[Ryz]

I don't get how bottoming makes it more gay than topping.
Theres strictly gay tops. Does it make them straight cause they aren't sucking dick, and taking it up the ass? lol

[audifan]

I agree with this sentiment....

Gay is when you see your significant other as someone of the same sex....

Bisexual is when you can see your significant other as either same sex/oppisite

And I think you are Asexual when you just like sex and as long as you are attracted you want to fuck them lol

Thanks Kelly. I think your Asexual may be Pansexual. Asexual usually means "not having or involving sex". :)

[nonnonnon]

I think BaileyJay said it best. If you have to ask... :D

[rockabilly]

Does it make them straight cause they aren't sucking dick, and taking it up the ass? lol

Um , Yeah pretty much.

[audifan]

For those who think it's about plumbing, genetics or who tops/bottoms, kindly explain your theory using the picture below.

Plumbing = pussy.
Genetics = XX (supposedly female)
Tops/bottoms? Don't know. Does "identifies as gay male with a pussy" help?

I think if a male is attracted to your example person, that would be gay.

[pointblack]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!
Being happy! So if all this stuff makes you happy... You are a bunch of fags! Me on the other hand is a disgruntle mother fucker. So I'm not gay.

[audifan]

If a male is attracted to men and men only makes them gay

Thanks Jennifer. I agree. :)

It gets complicated by those who define a pre/non-op MtF transsexual as a male and therefore anyone who dates them as a "faggot".

[JackBeLittle]

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While it may FEEL a little LESS gay...it isn't. IMO, you can't be more or less gay. lol

Actually, I think there is a spectrum of "gayness". At least according to Kinsey and subsequent studies. Regardless, I think what is of more concern is how the individual sees themself and their ability to accept or deny who they are. There is merit to the idea that engaging in intimate acts with a very feminine transgender (one who really sees themself as a woman) is "straight" sex - regardless of genitalia. Look at it this way, what "straight" man feels comfortable with a very, very butch gg that behaves in every way like a man (but has no penis). Many "straight" men would feel like that is a gay act. My point is, this is an incredibly subjective question. Personally, I have given up on the internal civil war that has plagued my psyche for the better part of a decade. I like what I like regardless of how others may view it.

Now, having said that... I find it interesting that I truly did not like the idea of male on male homosexuality - and did not give that a second thought. About 10 years ago, I discovered feminine transgenders. At first, it was hard for me to reconcile psychologically. Now, I am completely turned on by them, yet, I still don't care for the man to man. I guess, I really view transgenders as a 3rd sexual being and that allows some psychological separation that makes it easy for me to accept.

There you have it.

[GrimFusion]

This is a really murky subject.

Personally, I think as a guy, being gay is when you're sexually attracted to both the male physique and same-gender sex. I'm not defining it like that to stand behind some kind of shield and call myself straight; I just think that within context, it makes the most sense.

I believe that more often than not, bi-sexuality is used as a blanket definition. Both men and women have a way of exaggerating bi-sexuality to include sexual experimentation, teenage sexual exploration, issues with sexual identity, and on the rare occasion, people who are so hopelessly sex-deprived and undesirable they're willing to bone anything walking. Bi-sexuality shouldn't boil down to anything but a long-term or life-long attraction to both the male and female physique and sex with both genders.

Sexual or emotional attraction to transgendered women falls into a non-definable gray area. There's no single definition that separates a gay dude, a straight dude, and a guy interested in transsexuals. For some, it's a mental thing. Dudes find they think more alike, have more in common with, and generally jive better with transsexuals than GG's and don't have an interest in the male physique. Some guys are motivated by fetish, whether that means they're barely interested and can respect and empathize, or they're practically obsessed and view transsexuals as nothing more than objects of twisted sexual gratification.

I'm not saying a dude can't be into transsexuals without falling into the 'gay' category. I think a lot of guys use transsexuals to act out their homo-erogenous fantasies without having to shamefully admit to themselves that they have interest in same-gender sex and physique. In other words, a "get out of jail free" card for being gay and in denial. I'm simply saying it doesn't apply to every dude in the community, and likely doesn't apply to the majority of us (I'd hope).

So, I guess the question is can a dude suck dick and play bottom without having to consider themselves gay or bi-sexual? Yes, but dudes better have a reason to give a shit about sexually appeasing the transsexual chick they end up with. I'm not saying I'd ever pay for sex, but if I were a client, I wouldn't give a damn about getting a chick off because I'm paying her to get me off.

On the other hand, if things are a little deeper than "just sex"; if there's some kind of spark or emotion in the mix, or if it's within the bounds of a relationship, the focus should be sexually appeasing whoever your with, and if that means doing something you don't particularly enjoy so your partner feels fulfilled, I don't see the point in popping a big, fat "gay" tag on it or trying to categorize it in any regard.

[audifan]

I don't get how bottoming makes it more gay than topping.
Theres strictly gay tops. Does it make them straight cause they aren't sucking dick, and taking it up the ass? lol

Re. gay tops, what you say may be true, but I think it's not relevant to a discussion about bottoming for a TS.

The reason I perceive bottoming as "more gay", rightly or wrongly, is because topping a TS is pretty much exactly what a guy does with any girl. Bottoming isn't, and can't be done with a GG without props. Can be/is done in gay sex. Therefore to me it "seems gay". Just my perception. Open to being proved wrong.

[onmyknees]

shouldnt you be jerking off to tom moore videos somewhere?


Wow...dope a rope sure is having an auspicious start to his HA career! He's making lots of fans and friends!! ...( yea right) Those who said "Gay" has noting to do with being a bottom for a tranny are absolutely correct. Further it has nothing to do with sucking or fucking Trannys. After all, Trannys consider themselves females and who am I to argue ? LOL. We throw that word "gay" around and as though it has multiple meanings. It doesn't. It's a guy and a guy...period. No deviations. Many of us dig Tranny's but are frankly repulsed by the thought of engaging in sexual behavior with a hairy dude. I know on it's face that's sort of an inconsistency, but that's the deal dopearope. A dick hanging from someone like Kelly or Morgan, Lisa, Brittany, or a dozen other ladies on HA is a different deal than a dick hanging from someone like Tom Moore.
We all know, like, and respect some gay people. I'm indifferent to their choice. I'm not involved in it in any way. But to answer Kelly's initial question directly....I can socialize with gay dudes, work with gay dudes, BUT...it does still freak me when I see 2 dudes ( manly men) fucking or engaging in any sort of sexual activity. That's Gay !! LOL

[DarylWashington]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!

Sucking dick and bottoming is gay!

Plus having in your contract that you don't work with black men is RACIST!!!

[JackBeLittle]

shouldnt you be jerking off to tom moore videos somewhere?

Simply by referring specifically to Tom Moore makes you 100% gay! Tom-Tom doesn't make straight vids, i.e., takes one to know one.

Hey, I don't mean to start a flame here, but man, you've got a one track mind and it contradicts Kelly's requested spirit of the thread. You seem to want to attach shame and stigma to the topic. Hey, if I'm reading your posts wrong, my apologies - but that's how they come off to me.

[ShemaleScienceProject]

IMO, it can't be defined by the variables of a certain situation...

Boobs/No Boobs
Bottom/Top
Sucking/Being Sucked

If you are a male and you engage (or want to engage) in sexual activities with another:

Male
Transexual
Transvestite
CD

That to me is gay....nothing wrong with it, but it is gay.

There are a lot of guys out there, like myself, that are repulsed by the thought of being with a "man", but would jump at the chance to sleep with a transexual...

I guess some guys want to tell themselves that isn't gay....

While it may FEEL a little LESS gay...it isn't. IMO, you can't be more or less gay. lol

Exactly. What he said.

[biberkopf]

To me, gay is when you are sexually attracted to someone of the same gender as yourself. It doesn't matter what your or the other person's actual biological sex is. If you're sexually attracted to the same gender: gay. If your sexually attracted to the opposite gender: straight.

[Tepres]

This thread is gay.

[MrsKellyPierce]

This thread is gay.
your gay lol

[hwbs]

I don't get how bottoming makes it more gay than topping.
Theres strictly gay tops. Does it make them straight cause they aren't sucking dick, and taking it up the ass? lol

Its these peoples way of trying to say they are better than u...its just like in the gay community where they try to emasculate the one who is submissive....

[nicebrn]

your gay lol
Well I think God's a little bi-curious too.

</Butters>

[bte]

If a male is attracted to another male then its gay. If a female attracted to another female then its gay. If a male is attracted to a transwoman, then its not gay. Because the guy is attracted to the female quality of the transwoman and not the dick (well sometimes dick is the primary quality for some men). If a man is attracted to a transman, then its gay.

[hippifried]

Happy happy happy...

"Twistin' the night away..."

YouTube - SAM COOKE ~ Twistin` The Night Away ~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmzoF7LdoBc)

[FreddieGomez]

i think any dude who bottoms is gay!

[dopearope]

Simply by referring specifically to Tom Moore makes you 100% gay! Tom-Tom doesn't make straight vids, i.e., takes one to know one.
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you are dumb as rocks

that guy is always in shemale porn..i have to turn my face when he's on the screen

[Kevin Dong]

it's only gay if you want it to be

[Merkurie]

1. If two men fucking are both gang bangers it is not gay.
2. If two men fucking are Skinheads, it is not gay.
3. if two men fucking are in prison, it is not gay.
4. If one of two men fucking are clergy, it is not gay.
5. If two men fucking are BOTH married, it is not gay.
6. If two men fucking are BOTH 100 miles away from home, it is not gay.
7. If either man fucking is a Marine, it is not gay.
8. If any woman is in between two men fucking, even if their dicks are rubbing together, provided that both men are concurrently "in the cut", this too is not gay.
9. All other penis to penis contact is gay, unless you can convince yourself and ONE other person to the contrary.
10. None of these rules apply to men born and raised on the European Continent, as they are gay by definition.

--The International Association of Widely Accepted Rules, Standards, Prejudices and Preconceived Notions.

[Yoite]

You know how I know you're gay?
-You're on this board reading this thread...

[onmyknees]

Sucking dick and bottoming is gay!

Plus having in your contract that you don't work with black men is RACIST!!!


And you're ignorant and ill informed...so where does that leave us >???

[blckhaze]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!


When the penis matters more than the person its attached to.
Some men wont bottom unless ole girl is sexier than nia long and pam anderson combined, others.......well dont care.

If you're attracted someone who THEMSELVES IDENTIFIES as the sme gender as you, regardless of appearance, youre at least bi.

[Coroner]

I think we're heading toward an age where all those sociocultural categories will become obsolete. I did not discuss in that other thread but that most straight men would fuck a passable TS is also my opinion. Transsexuals might be the key to destruction of those orientation terms that cause fear and insecurity. But to contribute to this topic in a concrete way, a gay man is attracted to men. So many of those gay icons and models are "exaggerated" masculine. I guess this is the ideal male that gay men prefer. My other conclusion would be that the cock plays a secondary role since they, like men who are not attracted to men but transsexuals, want the "whole package". Although being male genitalia, the cock alone is not as important as the masculine appearance for gay men. As for sexual acts, I cannot say whether bottoming or sucking cocks make a man gay. Of course I mean sexual acts with TS women. I don't really think so but TS admirers are a huge variety and each of them sets his own boundaries. It is completely unthinkable for me to be a bottom nor am I interested in sucking tranny cock but I wouldn't have a problem touching her cock (I wouldn't know how to explain my attraction to girls with dicks otherwise?). We're all different in this. If someone is an excessive bottom, he wouldn't actually care who or what is in his ass, although he might deny that, especially and most unfortunately to himself.

[Jericho]

Humming along to the Communards on your iPod! :shrug

[Nowhere]

I don't care. Note one damn bit. And, I like that the sheer existence of trans girls f*cks with the whole black and white idea people believe in these days.

To me, a scene from trainspotting says it all:

Diane was right.
The world is changing.
Music is changing.
Drugs are changing.
Even men and women
are changing.

One thousand years from now, there'll be
no guys and no girls, just wankers.

Sounds great to me.
It's just a pity no one told Begbie.

[ Begbie Kissing a Tgirl he didn't realize ]

Fuck! Fuck!

lf you ask me, we're heterosexual
by default not by decision.
It's just a question
of who you fancy.
It's all about aesthetics.
And it's fuck-all to do with morality.

Fuck!

But you try telling Begbie that.

[Christastic]

Any forum as concerned with orientation as this one is has to be like ten kinds of queer.

And that's OK.

[renoned]

My ex wife and I did theater on the high school, collage, and civic level for some ten years. Needless to say we had many gay friends. Some were in monogamous relationships some open and some were always looking for a fuck. Bottom line is they had no attraction to women, and some almost hated women, likewise for the lesbians when it came to men. What I'm getting at is IMO sex is almost secondary to gay relationships that last for any amount of time. (not that it isn't important as in any relationship) In other words gay is wanting a relationship with the same sex. Now IMO sex is quite different because it is just that sex. I don't care if I get pleasure from a male or female. By the same token if I get I give. It's not love it's sex it feels good. I just don't see the need to label sex as gay or hetero. Unfortunately the majority doesn't see it that way. For most gay is about sex as apposed to a state of mind or the core of an individual's being. As long as society looks at "gay" that way the prejudice and misunderstanding will remain.

[dlbi22]

fuck labels

[renoned]

fuck labels
:iagree:

[runround04]

If you "Heeaay Y'all" and wave with 2 hands, yer Gay

[Merkurie]

My ex wife and I did theater on the high school, collage, and civic level for some ten years. Needless to say we had many gay friends. Some were in monogamous relationships some open and some were always looking for a fuck. Bottom line is they had no attraction to women, and some almost hated women, likewise for the lesbians when it came to men. What I'm getting at is IMO sex is almost secondary to gay relationships that last for any amount of time. (not that it isn't important as in any relationship) In other words gay is wanting a relationship with the same sex. Now IMO sex is quite different because it is just that sex. I don't care if I get pleasure from a male or female. By the same token if I get I give. It's not love it's sex it feels good. I just don't see the need to label sex as gay or hetero. Unfortunately the majority doesn't see it that way. For most gay is about sex as apposed to a state of mind or the core of an individual's being. As long as society looks at "gay" that way the prejudice and misunderstanding will remain.

What he said.

[audifan]

fuck labels

Fair enough, I don't much like labels either.

But, like it or not a human society which uses language to communicate meaning will apply labels. You have a choice, pretend labels don't exist or deal with them. You can rage against the machine, but the machine doesn't care.

[NYTSJulie]

everyone on this forum

[alpha2117]

If a male is attracted to men and men only makes them gay


That sums it up. Lets face it most of us have some level of attraction to members of any sex. Your level of str8 or gay just depends on where you fall on that scale.

I'd do Courtney Act or Tatianna from Ru Pauls Drag race if they were dressed but lets face it they are guys so I'm a bit gayer than some but I lioke GG girls too and I would never do a non trans guy because they just dont really attract me at all. Classic male features dont do it for me.

[NYTSJulie]

Many guys on here would fuck Mike Tyson if he was in drag

[Amsterdamage]

If you "Heeaay Y'all" and wave with 2 hands, yer Gay

hahaha i think that's the most valid point so far :lol:

[phobun]

Many guys on here would fuck Mike Tyson if he was in drag


Many? Most would...

[phobun]

Gayness is a continuum.

If you're a man and you fantasize about the cock on another person, then you are no longer exclusively straight.

If you partake in any action involving someone else's penis, then you fall into the gay range.

Not that there is anything wrong with being gay.

The funny thing about this thread is that it is page after page of rationalization about why the respondents are not gay. Folks here torture the language and contrive elaborate explanations for why gay is always something else.

You folks are in denial. Be proud, don't be shameful.

[Coroner]

Many guys on here would fuck Mike Tyson if he was in drag

Not me. Now take your clothes off..... :grin:

[dlbi22]

anyone responding this cares too much about what other people think. just like what you like and live your life. and like i said...fuck labels.

[phobun]

and like i said...fuck labels.


Lots of guys here might try, if the label had a cock on it.

[Instrumental]

Being gay means being solely attracted to people of the same sex that you are and not being attracted to traits of the opposite sex.

[Falrune]

What's role got to do with it? :confused:

As I understand it some gay and lesbian relationships do involve one partner taking a traditional dominant/masculine role and the other the mirror.

I was just trying to point out that that was not a necessary aspect of the relationship.

[audifan]

anyone responding this cares too much about what other people think. just like what you like and live your life. and like i said...fuck labels.


Kelly's original question was just interesting. Answering it doesn't mean you care too much about what other people think. I'm just interested to hear others' opinions. Agree about "just like what you like" tho'.

Kelly's thread-starter asked:



Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!

[Jackal]

Gayness is a continuum.

If you're a man and you fantasize about the cock on another person, then you are no longer exclusively straight.

If you partake in any action involving someone else's penis, then you fall into the gay range.

Not that there is anything wrong with being gay.

The funny thing about this thread is that it is page after page of rationalization about why the respondents are not gay. Folks here torture the language and contrive elaborate explanations for why gay is always something else.

You folks are in denial. Be proud, don't be shameful.

You call someone engaged in same and different sex sex gay, but that would be bisexual. Bisexual(or pansexual) is the continumm, with exclusive attraction(gay on one end and straight on the other) and everything in the middle being the bi continuum

[toopretty]

Transsexuals your opinion - and give your stance on why!

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?

Some consider bottoming gay.

Some considering sucking a tranny cock gay.

Some consider if they don't have boobs gay.

Some consider wording and how one acts gay.

Lets try to have an adult conversation with out flame throwing!

bottoming for tranny - not gay
sucking tranny cock - not gay
not having boobs - not gay
wording and how one acts - that depends ( I remember watching the "being t" trailer (which I cant find online anymore) and one of the ts's in the documentary (cant remember who), was talking (and referring to a drag queen just off screen, i think) said something like "for all the judges, she's showing off for all the judges." and they way she said it immediately turned me off. It wasn't her voice (she didnt "sound" like a man) it was just the way she was talking...she was talking like a gay man, is the only I can explain it. I would, literally, not fuck her just because of that.

I think being considered gay is overwhelmingly due to what you want to be in a relationship with. (a person having a cock has nothing to do with gay or...there many people born with both sets). A regular guy wanting to be with another guy (with neither taking a feminine appearance, sexual role, or social role) is gay.

these people are gay.

[onmyknees]

I think we're heading toward an age where all those sociocultural categories will become obsolete. I did not discuss in that other thread but that most straight men would fuck a passable TS is also my opinion. Transsexuals might be the key to destruction of those orientation terms that cause fear and insecurity. But to contribute to this topic in a concrete way, a gay man is attracted to men. So many of those gay icons and models are "exaggerated" masculine. I guess this is the ideal male that gay men prefer. My other conclusion would be that the cock plays a secondary role since they, like men who are not attracted to men but transsexuals, want the "whole package". Although being male genitalia, the cock alone is not as important as the masculine appearance for gay men. As for sexual acts, I cannot say whether bottoming or sucking cocks make a man gay. Of course I mean sexual acts with TS women. I don't really think so but TS admirers are a huge variety and each of them sets his own boundaries. It is completely unthinkable for me to be a bottom nor am I interested in sucking tranny cock but I wouldn't have a problem touching her cock (I wouldn't know how to explain my attraction to girls with dicks otherwise?). We're all different in this. If someone is an excessive bottom, he wouldn't actually care who or what is in his ass, although he might deny that, especially and most unfortunately to himself.

You had me right up until the last sentence. Save for that, I think you're pretty accurate. Again way too many variations to start catagorizing people as " excessive". Not entirely sure what that means. And really....isn't it all bullshit anyway ? What do I mean by that? Well...we all have friends, bussiness associates, family etc that are not at all involved with, or understanding of the Tranny thing. I guess you could say they are ignorant about it. So let's say you decide to come clean and tell them your attracted to ( let's use Julie as an example since she's not only posted on this thread, but stunning and classy) and you fumble your way through explaining she has a she cock. By your defination in your post, you're not gay, because you'd touch her cock, but not suck it.... but I suspect the "straight" person you're explaining this to would absolutely put you in the gay colomn. Perhaps out of ignorance, but that's irrelevent. My point being, gay is in the eye, or the hand as it were, of the beholder.

See what you started Kelly !!!!!!!!! LMAO

[toopretty]

and NONE of these people are gay (well the guy might actually be gay in his real life) but what he in doing is the picture NOT GAY!

[Ben]

This -- ha! ha! ha!

YouTube - WWE RAW 10/26/2009: Big Show Vs Triple H (No Disqualification Lumberjack Match) 2/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0E5Pricoxg)

[SpoogeMonkey]

Men your opinion - give your stance on why!

What do you consider gay?


being gay is someone who is sexually attracted to the male form.

liking shemales isn't gay because you are attracted to the female form, who just so happens to have the misfortune of a few of the wrong bits.

being straight and liking crossdressers is fetish, IMO. (although that guy on youtube hottrannymess is fucking hot...)
being straight and liking transsexuals/shemales is just good healthy fun.

If someone wants to label me as a gay because I like trans, then fair enough. rfect.

[asus123]

hi everyone.

basically, i'm a lurker on here, this is my first post. so please don't dismiss what i have to say. it's funny how this topic comes up now when I'm in a confusing part in my life. I've always considered myself a straight man. I've had plenty of women in my life. my sex life with the women I've been with has been fantastic! i even think I'm very open minded. A woman i was with did the finger up the ass while she was blowing me. i didn't flip out, actually i had the most intense orgasm I've ever had in my life. i've had but plugs in me too. yes, i enjoy it, so the anal thing doesn't "flip me out". i.ve been hit on by gay men in the past, especially when i was bartending, but, actually, well how can i put this, it's the "intimacy" thing. it's not just the sex, it's the kissing, petting, etc, etc, (you know what i'm talking about) with a man that doesn't really appeal to me.

now for what i said about the confusing part in my life. i'm older, in my mid 40's, i've gained weight, not taken care of myself. and because of that, i haven't had the "intimacy" with a woman in years. sure, i've had sex, but not that relationship "thing" that everyone looks for. so now i'm thinking that maybe i should go over to the gay side. being very nervous about it, i have made the attempt with a man. but when it comes down to it, it just don't feel "right" to me. i get this weird, creepy feeling when i try to be intimate with a man and i can't go through with it. now, i've always been attracted to transsexuals. it's the fact that they look like a woman and not a man. a little over a year ago, i was with a tranny for the first time. i was comfortable, i didn't have the weird, creepy feeling. it felt good.

so what do i consider Gay? in my eyes, the answer is in that "intimate" relationship you have with another person. if a man or woman can be intimate with a person of the same sex and only the same sex. that's gay.

so i can't consider myself gay, maybe bi for being with TG, but not gay. others may call me gay, but i know i'm not.

[giovanni_hotel]

Phobun says two penises in the same bed is gay.

Stop hiding faggots, stand up and be counted!!

Seriously, someone else in another thread coined the phrase, 'gay but not attracted to men,' which is impossible.
Like a lesbian who isn't attracted to women.

Trannies are just in their own category, and a dude sexing them is a very hetero experience.

[hwbs]

I think we should add to the start button a disclaimer that certifies your gay by clicking this button to enter ha..

[audifan]

@asus123,

I think your use of the phrase "intimacy with" approximates to what others in this thread call "attracted to".

i.e. If you don't want to get intimate with men then it seems to me you're just not attracted to them. And vice versa with a ts or a gg. Which puts you in pretty much the same place as most posters in this thread. So welcome to the asylum :)

[audifan]

Phobun says two penises in the same bed is gay.

Stop hiding faggots, stand up and be counted!!

Seriously, someone else in another thread coined the phrase, 'gay but not attracted to men,' which is impossible.
Like a lesbian who isn't attracted to women.

Trannies are just in their own category, and a dude sexing them is a very hetero experience.

I almost agree. I'd say an almost hetero experience, vive la différence...

[Jake4]

I'm male

If I'm with a woman then I consider it heterosexual. I consider anyone a woman that self identifies as woman, no matter what sex organs she may have.

If I'm with a man then that is gay.

[FreddieGomez]

it's blatant homosexuality....so yeah...

[NYBURBS]

First up, lets be truthful here..all the guys here are attracted to the girls cos they have a cock..so there is no point even fighting that. so playing with it and touching it is obviously going to happen.

however..bottoming is GAY...like 100% homosexual..you are not a man if you take dicks up your ass period. sucking dick too.

Ah ok, so when her hard-on brushes up against you, do you just shout 'No Homo' and it's all good?

This site is like a Merry-Go-Round, stick around long enough and you see the same stuff over and over again.


Phobun says two penises in the same bed is gay.

Stop hiding faggots, stand up and be counted!!


Sig Worthy Tbh


I think we should add to the start button a disclaimer that certifies your gay by clicking this button to enter ha..

Talk to NYCE about that, would be epic imo

[youshouldtrythislol]

Gay is just a label, another way to discriminate. Everyone likes what they like, who cares what the label is so long as the 2 people are happy together.

[BellaBellucci]

I first heard this on Bailey Jay Radio:

YouTube - King Missile - Gay/Not Gay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiPyMciRWQQ)

Funny shit!

~BB~

[a994]

hi everyone.

basically, i'm a lurker on here, this is my first post. so please don't dismiss what i have to say. it's funny how this topic comes up now when I'm in a confusing part in my life. I've always considered myself a straight man. I've had plenty of women in my life. my sex life with the women I've been with has been fantastic! i even think I'm very open minded. A woman i was with did the finger up the ass while she was blowing me. i didn't flip out, actually i had the most intense orgasm I've ever had in my life. i've had but plugs in me too. yes, i enjoy it, so the anal thing doesn't "flip me out". i.ve been hit on by gay men in the past, especially when i was bartending, but, actually, well how can i put this, it's the "intimacy" thing. it's not just the sex, it's the kissing, petting, etc, etc, (you know what i'm talking about) with a man that doesn't really appeal to me.

now for what i said about the confusing part in my life. i'm older, in my mid 40's, i've gained weight, not taken care of myself. and because of that, i haven't had the "intimacy" with a woman in years. sure, i've had sex, but not that relationship "thing" that everyone looks for. so now i'm thinking that maybe i should go over to the gay side. being very nervous about it, i have made the attempt with a man. but when it comes down to it, it just don't feel "right" to me. i get this weird, creepy feeling when i try to be intimate with a man and i can't go through with it. now, i've always been attracted to transsexuals. it's the fact that they look like a woman and not a man. a little over a year ago, i was with a tranny for the first time. i was comfortable, i didn't have the weird, creepy feeling. it felt good.

so what do i consider Gay? in my eyes, the answer is in that "intimate" relationship you have with another person. if a man or woman can be intimate with a person of the same sex and only the same sex. that's gay.

so i can't consider myself gay, maybe bi for being with TG, but not gay. others may call me gay, but i know i'm not.


Rock on, asus123! Seriously, you are NOT gay.

[MrsKellyPierce]

this thread is gay who made this gay ass thread...some gay ass bitch lol

[JoePitt]

everyone on this forum

And I think MMA is gayer than anything on HA.

[JackBeLittle]

What do you mean by gay? As I read through the thread it seems that your question is in regards to outward behaviour, rather than sexual preference. Is that what you mean?

[Odelay]

Whenever I'm unsure about whether something is gay I either ask my best friend, who is gay, my nephew, who is gay, or consult a Dan Savage piece, who is also gay. I would never think to try to divine the answer on a Trans forum. People are seriously confused about gay issue(s) around here.

[amberskyi]

If you dont give me head your gay

[dan_drade]

The actual definition of gay or homosexual is when two people of the same sex have sexual relations. So technically everyone here is gay. Thats right guys. If you are here, then you are gay. But only technically.

With that said, there is a fine line that is drawn by some if not all of us here. That line seems to be different for a lot of us. Some guys think as long as they only top a TS girl, then they are str8. Some guys think if they bottom with a passable TS girl, then they are str8. Some girls think if they only date str8 men, then they are str8. The list of where the line is drawn goes on and on.

As for me personally, I suppose I consider myself somewhat gay. Although I am not at all attracted to men. I do find myself attracted to most if not all of the girls here. I have been to many places where TS girls go and I have found that most of them are beautiful in one way or another. Some I have been physically attracted to and some I have been mentally attracted to and a few I have even been emotionally attracted to. Over the last 10 years, I have also made a transition of sorts, but not the kind that the girls have made. My transition has been to dating TS women. It's hard for me to belive, but it's been almost 10 years since I have meen married or dated a GG, and I don't miss them at all. I have also met a lot of TS women over the years and most of them have been very nice and sweet. There is just something that is very feminine about a TS woman. Some CD's also have the same traits. It's not always the way they look, because some of the girls I have met would be considered quite masculine by other girls. But they all have that same feminine quality which makes them not men at all, but feminine females.

So, is that gay to be attrated to a TS or CD. I don't really know and I don't really care. All I know is that I am attracted to them and I have come to the realization that I always will be. So, call me gay, call me str8, call me bi, but just don't call me Shirley. LOL.

[GrimFusion]

If you dont give me head your gay

Whatever, gaylord. Jeeze!
lol.

[dderek123]

Who gives a fuck if whatever/whoever is gay or not. Life is too short just enjoy it.

[LaCosa]

The actual definition of gay or homosexual is when two people of the same sex have sexual relations. So technically everyone here is gay. Thats right guys. If you are here, then you are gay. But only technically.


Homosexuality and lesbianism are sexual orientations, both are understood to be sexual attractions to members of their same respective sex.

Psychologists, psychiatrists, and the medical community recognize that heterosexuals can freely engage in homosexual sex. This is why in some of the medical literature on HIV and AIDS you'll read the phrase "male-on-male" sex or men that have had sex with men. You also have people that are recognized as bisexual.

Male homosexuality is not even about receiving enjoyment from being sodomized. It's about being sexually attracted to the male physique.

You can be heterosexual and have a sexual fetish for being dominated or receiving humiliation. If a male bottom is sodomized by a female with a strap-on or gives oral sex to a male dominate he is not necessarily homosexual.

And homosexuals are no more naturally insightful into human sexuality than heterosexuals. They are part of a minority but so are black people. Being black - to give an example - does not make you a geneticist, biologist, anthropologist, historian or an expert on "race," phenotype, or even Africa.

Few Black-Americans know much about the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade just like few homosexuals know anything about homosexuality beyond their own arousal's and social experiences.

[russtafa]

Who gives a fuck if whatever/whoever is gay or not. Life is too short just enjoy it.
i agree with that philosophy

[phobun]

I've said it before:

Anyone who writes "str8" is gay. "Str8" is gay shorthand: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Str8

[phobun]

Phobun says two penises in the same bed is gay.

Stop hiding faggots, stand up and be counted!!

Seriously, someone else in another thread coined the phrase, 'gay but not attracted to men,' which is impossible.
Like a lesbian who isn't attracted to women.

Trannies are just in their own category, and a dude sexing them is a very hetero experience.


I don't agree. Some "trannies" are women, and some are still men who are not really transsexuals. A lot of CDs and TVs erroneously call themselves TS.

[phobun]

As for me personally, I suppose I consider myself somewhat gay.


Aren't you dating a pretty post-op? How could that be considered gay?

[rockabilly]

He-Man is gay.

[phobun]

He-Man is gay.


Nah, he had She-Ra.

[dan_drade]

Aren't you dating a pretty post-op? How could that be considered gay?

I am dating a pretty post-op. but she was not always post-op and neither were the other girls i have dated or payed for or played with.

[dan_drade]

I've said it before:

Anyone who writes "str8" is gay. "Str8" is gay shorthand: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Str8

LOL, thats a good one. I always thought it was just internet shorthand like lol or rotfl which I am doing now. But you see, I guess there is a little gay deep insideof me.

[BiCuriousGeorge]

In my opinion, being gay means being sexually attracted to the male form. Men's bodies, faces, and the over all look that men have. I don't consider being attracted to the female form as gay even if they were born male and have a dick. If you are out in the street and you see a girl who looks hot and feminine and you are attracted to the way she looks, you don't know if she has a cock or not. You are mainly attracted to her appearance. I don't think being gay has to do with genitals.

Guys, I think most of us are attracted to Jessica Alba or Megan Fox. Some people will say you are gay if you aren't, lol. But what if they had a dick? Does that mean you automatically are gay even though they are 2 of the hottest looking women around?

Basically if you are attracted to someone who looks like your same sex you are gay. If you are attracted to someone who looks like a woman regardless of genitals you are either straight or the worst case curious.

[Ben]

Couldn't resist -- :)

YouTube - Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Olympia 1975 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEgVM3bzN_Y)

[dan_drade]

Couldn't resist -- :)

YouTube - Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Olympia 1975 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEgVM3bzN_Y)

Hahaha. OK, that would be gay for sure.

[rockabilly]

Nah, he had She-Ra.

She-Ra was He-Mans cousin , He-Man is gayer than gay he's super gay.
http://www.nastyhobbit.org/forum/animated_gifs/heman-is-gay.gif

[Ben]

ha! ha! ha!

YouTube - 1969 Liberace Show Boogie Woogie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9nO9Ro_kd4)

[fred41]

Men carrying man bags or man purses are gay.
Men wearing yellow flip-flops (or any color flip flops) in public are gay.
Single men with cats or small dogs labeled "tea cup" are gay.
Guys wearing big hand crocheted scarves and hats are gay.
Guys with pencil beards and eyebrows shaped like comic book women are gay.
There's lots more..but I gotta go.

OH Yeah...listening to Barbra Streisand or Judy Garland on your car stereo and crying is gay.

[Helvis2012]

:idea: Dudes with pink boards.

[El Nino]

I am attracted to the spirit of femininity. Even if it is found in a ladyboy, full time Tgurl, hot cd or even a fembio. Whatevea...

[fred41]

..Still having to explain yourself after many years and many posts on this board...is gay. At this point in time you should be comfortable enough with yourself to just let it be.You shouldn't even care. You have nothing to prove.

period.

[fred41]

more...

Speaking in TS pageant lingo when you're not a TS ..is definitely gay.
Saying "Oh Snap!" ...is gay
Using the term "fashion" (especially as an exclamation) too often is quite gay...especially if you're neither a girl or a designer (scratch that...because if you are a designer...you're probably gay).
Driving a Smart Car doesn't make you gay...but it does make you a dick.

[russtafa]

Guys who are always worried about what is gay are gay

[dderek123]

Sucking a gay guys cock oh you betchya that's gay.

[smilingbutt]

Guys who are always worried about what is gay are gay

that is such a gay thing to say. Hang on...what was the question?

[fred41]

Guys wearing shorts with a shirt and tie is gay.

[dderek123]

YouTube - You know how I know you&#39;re gay? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX0SD_cazhs)