Aim is shut down??!!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Aim AKA adult industry medical

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/aim-adult-industry-medical-healthcare-foundation-porn-industry-health-clinic-shut-down-by-la-county-.html

Craziness

[gmercer]

I thought you were takling about AOL instant messenger at first, not the Adult Industry Medical healthcare. Well anyway, this seems like an overreaction.

[BellaBellucci]

Good. Now there won't be a monopoly on performer tests anymore as if AIM was the only place in all of Los Angeles that could provide them. :roll:

Score one for choice. :geek:

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

Good. Now there won't be a monopoly on performer tests anymore as if AIM was the only place in all of Los Angeles that could provide them. :roll:

Score one for choice. :geek:

~BB~
Most doctors offices can do STD Tests and provide result that you can bring to set. These guys made it easier with fast Test results via a database and emails that producers could check on for convenience. How could you say good!!?

[BellaBellucci]

Most doctors offices can do STD Tests and provide result that you can bring to set. These guys made it easier with fast Test results via a database and emails that producers could check on for convenience. How could you say good!!?

Because someone, or preferably someone(s) new, can now step up and do the same thing. How could you say that's bad? More choice is always better for everyone. Trust me, AIM is easily replaced.

Oh, and while I frown upon mandatory condom use, I hardly think it's a bad idea for the porn industry to show more realistic sexual safety practices.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

There already are other choices!!! Its called go to your local doctors office. My very first test was provided to me by Dr Horowitz in LA. It was cheaper and took a week to get back to me, but that is not acceptable for the adult industry needs. All AIM did was give people in the industry a reliable central location to go to and fast results. Its not like you are forced to go to aim. I've worked with several people who brought tests from another company.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Most doctors offices can do STD Tests and provide result that you can bring to set. These guys made it easier with fast Test results via a database and emails that producers could check on for convenience. How could you say good!!?Well said Amy!

[BellaBellucci]

There already are other choices!!! Its called go to your local doctors office. My very first test was provided to me by Dr Horowitz in LA. It was cheaper and took a week to get back to me, but that is not acceptable for the adult industry needs. All AIM did was give people in the industry a reliable central location to go to and fast results. Its not like you are forced to go to aim. I've worked with several people who brought tests from another company.

And I know many who have been told their test needs to come from AIM because it's easier for the studio (i.e. last minute shoots), plus the fact that the only place you could get quick test results was AIM sort of proves my point. There always needs to be more options.

What is it with trans performers and their fear of change anyway? If something better came along, would you still be loyal to AIM?

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

And I know many who have been told their test needs to come from AIM because it's easier for the studio (i.e. last minute shoots), plus the fact that the only place you could get quick test results was AIM sort of proves my point. There always needs to be more options.

What is it with trans performers and their fear of change anyway? If something better came along, would you still be loyal to AIM?

~BB~
There is Aim and Talent Testing that do identical testing. I personally liked AIM when I was in the business. They were used to dealing with performers, treated you with respect, were efficient, and most of all in my opinion CARE.

[BellaBellucci]

There is Aim and Talent Testing that do identical testing. I personally liked AIM when I was in the business. They were used to dealing with performers, treated you with respect, were efficient, and most of all in my opinion CARE.

I just hope it all works out for the best, but I really think there is an opportunity here. :)

~BB~

[WendyWilliams]

I have so much to say but sometimes its easier not to argue with people who are just here to make noise, especially those who are of no interest to the Ts Genre! Anyhow I hope AIM gets back on their feet as its a HUGE asset to the Adult Industry! I also have used other forms and accepted Doctor forms besides AIM however the convience level and "understanding" at AIM is great for our Industry.

[zekemek]

Because someone, or preferably someone(s) new, can now step up and do the same thing. How could you say that's bad? More choice is always better for everyone. Trust me, AIM is easily replaced.

~BB~

Wait, what? So having a convenient solution to a problem is bad? But having several similar, non-existent (as of yet) solutions to a problem is good?

[BellaBellucci]

I have so much to say but sometimes its easier not to argue with people who are just here to make noise, especially those who are of no interest to the Ts Genre! Anyhow I hope AIM gets back on their feet as its a HUGE asset to the Adult Industry! I also have used other forms and accepted Doctor forms besides AIM however the convience level and "understanding" at AIM is great for our Industry.

Oh, please! You act as if AIM is the greatest thing since sliced bread and there can be nobody better.

Again: competition is BEST for the consumer. It's a basic economic principle. I really can't stress that enough.

Besides, you're the biggest defender of the status quo out there! Aren't you a proud member of the cash for awards club? :lol:

~BB~

[WendyWilliams]

Bella you dont know me and I am far from "defender of status quo", Im not acting like anything but I like AIM and until we have other options then I dont see this as a good thing.

"Cash for awards club"? Are you talking about escorting? No you stupid bitch I rarely if any at all over the last year have escorted and even if I do or have done what does it have to do with AIM. And I get tested every month whether its AIM or my local AVOL.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella you dont know me and I am far from "defender of status quo", Im not acting like anything but I like AIM and until we have other options then I dont see this as a good thing.

"Cash for awards club"? Are you talking about escorting? No you stupid bitch I havent escorted in almost a year which is of none of your business. And I get tested every month whether its AIM or my local AVOL.

You're a funny lady Wendy. :banana:

~BB~

[zekemek]

Again: competition is BEST for the consumer. It's a basic economic principle. I really can't stress that enough.

~BB~

Pretty sure that only applies when there is competition.
I don't know much about AIM, but it sounds like they were providing a decent service. To my knowledge, there isn't anyone else providing that service. So yeah, there's a void now, but there isn't competition. So a service is gone with no immediate replacement. How is that good?

[WendyWilliams]

And you are a stupid cunt! Please do come to AVN in January I know there are so many of us awaiting to tell you face to face what we think of you.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have so much to say but sometimes its easier not to argue with people who are just here to make noise, especially those who are of no interest to the Ts Genre! Anyhow I hope AIM gets back on their feet as its a HUGE asset to the Adult Industry! I also have used other forms and accepted Doctor forms besides AIM however the convience level and "understanding" at AIM is great for our Industry.
Agree with this. I loved all the workers at AIM...especially the gay one who always drew my blood. God what was his name! They were friendly, gave good advice, were always on time, and treated you like a person! I don't understand why Bella would say "GOOD" but alas she is an opinionated soul...love her or hate her I love that about her at times lol

[BellaBellucci]

Wait, what? So having a convenient solution to a problem is bad? But having several similar, non-existent (as of yet) solutions to a problem is good?

A lot of people view AIM as holding a monopoly and so I don't think a lot of people would come forward and try to take them head on. They obviously have client loyalty as evidenced by this thread. It would be a tough market to break with them around, but now there's an opportunity. :geek:

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

And you are a stupid cunt! Please do come to AVN in January I know there are so many of us awaiting to tell you face to face what we think of you.thats not nice little lady lol

[BellaBellucci]

And you are a stupid cunt! Please do come to AVN in January I know there are so many of us awaiting to tell you face to face what we think of you.

Don't care. :boring

~BB~

[zekemek]

A lot of people view AIM as holding a monopoly and so I don't think a lot of people would come forward and try to take them head on. They obviously have client loyalty as evidenced by this thread. It would be a tough market to break with them around, but now there's an opportunity. :geek:

~BB~

Sure, but people are currently without service. Sounds like a bad thing to me.

[lisaparadise]

im actually shocked that your own doc isnt good enough for the porn industry how lame is that?

[BellaBellucci]

Sure, but people are currently without service. Sounds like a bad thing to me.

Let's be realistic though: it's a minor inconvenience. The sky isn't going to fall on the porn industry because of it.

~BB~

[WendyWilliams]

The only reason the LA Health Department is so invested is the $$$ issue. Since 1998 AIM has provided Industry testing and not until 2010 has anyone showed any interest in providing other choices. It was until this year with the crossover male becoming infected that NOW after seeing all the records and how many visitors that AIM gets they are now seeing money signs.

I cant imagine how dealing with people at the health department who have no interest and or knowledge of the Adult Industry will go over. I am all for "choices" however at this point there are no choices but going to the health department who do NOT offer the same panel as we have at AIM, not to mention the monthly and sometimes bi weekly cost to have it done at a Dr.'s office, here in Kentucky the same panel is well over 500 bucks!

[BellaBellucci]

im actually shocked that your own doc isnt good enough for the porn industry how lame is that?

A regular doctor doesn't provide service as quickly or offer a database for industry professionals... but one could, which is my point.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

A lot of people view AIM as holding a monopoly and so I don't think a lot of people would come forward and try to take them head on. They obviously have client loyalty as evidenced by this thread. It would be a tough market to break with them around, but now there's an opportunity. :geek:

~BB~
It doesn't hold a monopoly it makes it easier for studios/performers etc. Fast and reliable treatment....So if you are traveling to work in California you can get a few scenes in before you have to fly back home.....etc

[BellaBellucci]

The only reason the LA Health Department is so invested is the $$$ issue. Since 1998 AIM has provided Industry testing and not until 2010 has anyone showed any interest in providing other choices. It was until this year with the crossover male becoming infected that NOW after seeing all the records and how many visitors that AIM gets they are now seeing money signs.

I cant imagine how dealing with people at the health department who have no interest and or knowledge of the Adult Industry will go over. I am all for "choices" however at this point there are no choices but going to the health department who do NOT offer the same panel as we have at AIM, not to mention the monthly and sometimes bi weekly cost to have it done at a Dr.'s office, here in Kentucky the same panel is well over 500 bucks!

EXACTLY. It's a systemic issue. We should be pushing MORE doctors into being able to provide what AIM does, not celebrating AIM's monopoly over the market. Personally, I'm with Lisa, I'd rather go to my own doctor than AIM if she could provide the results in a more timely manner.


It doesn't hold a monopoly it makes it easier for studios/performers etc. Fast and reliable treatment....So if you are traveling to work in California you can get a few scenes in before you have to fly back home.....etc

If nobody will compete with them, they're a monopoly.

define:monopoly - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&defl=en&q=define:monopoly&sa=X&ei=1V8BTa69MN6JnAeL56TlDQ&ved=0CBMQkAE)

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

The only reason the LA Health Department is so invested is the $$$ issue. Since 1998 AIM has provided Industry testing and not until 2010 has anyone showed any interest in providing other choices. It was until this year with the crossover male becoming infected that NOW after seeing all the records and how many visitors that AIM gets they are now seeing money signs.

I cant imagine how dealing with people at the health department who have no interest and or knowledge of the Adult Industry will go over. I am all for "choices" however at this point there are no choices but going to the health department who do NOT offer the same panel as we have at AIM, not to mention the monthly and sometimes bi weekly cost to have it done at a Dr.'s office, here in Kentucky the same panel is well over 500 bucks!500 bucks?im glad im in canada lol here its free along with condoms and lube

[zekemek]

Let's be realistic though: it's a minor inconvenience. The sky isn't going to fall on the porn industry because of it.

~BB~

Not really my point or yours. But for the sake of argument let's say it is a matter of convenience. Knowing someone's test was negative sooner than a week is a pretty great convenience.

[WendyWilliams]

Pretty sure that only applies when there is competition.
I don't know much about AIM, but it sounds like they were providing a decent service. To my knowledge, there isn't anyone else providing that service. So yeah, there's a void now, but there isn't competition. So a service is gone with no immediate replacement. How is that good?


im actually shocked that your own doc isnt good enough for the porn industry how lame is that?


Lisa its not that issue, its that Doctors wont provide the information to producers, the cost is triple what we pay for this monthly test, and most serious talent who use AIM have to several times a month. Can you imagine going to a Dr. and spending 250-500 twice a month for a hardcore that only pays 800-1000? Also AIM provided a service specifically for the Adult INdustry so the staff is friendly and its just a great place to go with no judgement.

[lisaparadise]

A regular doctor doesn't provide service as quickly or offer a database for industry professionals... but one could, which is my point.

~BB~i get tested every 3 months and i know the same week.but i dont think she would give the results to anybody due to plivacy laws here.

[BellaBellucci]

i get tested every 3 months and i know the same week.but i dont think she would give the results to anybody due to plivacy laws here.

No, but I bet they could under release. You could also provide your results to whomever you choose directly.

I think a bunch studios should come together to build a database for performers that ANY doctor can sign up for and use. That would remove the monopoly and the conflict of interest.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Lisa its not that issue, its that Doctors wont provide the information to producers, the cost is triple what we pay for this monthly test, and most serious talent who use AIM have to several times a month. Can you imagine going to a Dr. and spending 250-500 twice a month for a hardcore that only pays 800-1000? Also AIM provided a service specifically for the Adult INdustry so the staff is friendly and its just a great place to go with no judgement.ya i can see your point for sure that really sucks they went under.i guess were spoilled here in canada as you know its pretty accepting here much different then your country plus my doc is a tranny actually you met her once at goodhandys remember?we stopped there after we ate dinner.

[lisaparadise]

No, but I bet they could under release. You could also provide your results to whomever you choose directly.

I think a bunch studios should come together to build a database for performers that ANY doctor can sign up for and use. That would remove the monopoly and the conflict of interest.

~BB~ya that makes sence

[MrsKellyPierce]

Bella there is another company called talent testing and I think there is another one if I recall

[MrsKellyPierce]

Sorry I didn't quote out to eat with the hubby

[BellaBellucci]

Bella there is another company called talent testing and I think there is another one if I recall

Even still, nobody's ever even heard of them. They can't compete with AIM and so AIM holds all the cards. If you could go to your own personal doctor and get faster results and have them entered into a database for you, same as AIM, wouldn't you do it? The fact is that studios prefer AIM and that's all anybody needs to know to decide not to compete with them, let alone directly against them.

Where's Obama and Pelosi to solve this problem?! :lol:

~BB~

[the jesse]

i have no idea where to get testing done as i dont have a doctor so AIM was what i always used though i went to a center here in san diego that worked with AIM and they forwarded info to each other not sure if i can do the same testes there for the same price or less? hmmm hopefully something gets fixed asap!

[AmyDaly]

In this thread: people bashing AIM who don't know shit about how things go down and work

[MrsKellyPierce]

i have no idea where to get testing done as i dont have a doctor so AIM was what i always used though i went to a center here in san diego that worked with AIM and they forwarded info to each other not sure if i can do the same testes there for the same price or less? hmmm hopefully something gets fixed asap!
You can go to talent testing hon or call AIM and they have alternative advice for all the performers. Bella it would cost a fortune to go to your doctor two to three times in a month. I had a lot of the performers I performed with for my site tested the day before! Even if they had an active aim test result. For my safety. I don't agree with the 28 day policy, and I think they should do Viral Load Testing in my opinion.

[GroobySteven]

And you are a stupid cunt! Please do come to AVN in January I know there are so many of us awaiting to tell you face to face what we think of you.

Can I join that club? I'll wear a dress!

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

If you are in need of testing in LA go to:


Talent Testing Services Northridge 818.885.0812 Hrs: Thurs 5-10pm Fri 9am-5pm Sat 9am-1pm Next Mon-Fri 9am-5pm


AIM will get their license back in LA after the state figures out how to provide the same service and i.e. make money.

[lisaparadise]

In this thread: people bashing AIM who don't know shit about how things go down and worki quess it beats bashing you right?

[GroobySteven]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/customavatars/avatar43156_6.gif

Cool pic!

[AmyDaly]

i quess it beats bashing you right?
What is that supposed to mean, Lisa? I could really give a fuck if someones wants to bash me. Its not like I have to deal with that very often anyways LOL

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

Thanks Steven, that was on Strokers :cheers:

[lisaparadise]

What is that supposed to mean, Lisa? I could really give a fuck if someones wants to bash me. Its not like I have to deal with that very often anyways LOLthis is afterall .H.A. theres alot of nutjobs in here as you know lol

[BellaBellucci]

i quess it beats bashing you right?

Oh, she didn't tell you? She threatened to do that to me in person. The so-called sweetheart has fangs! :dancing:

As to the rest of you, the entire point of my comment here was to show that the industry is institutionalized, cliquey, xenophobic, and metathesiophobic. Mission accomplished.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

this is afterall .H.A. theres alot of nutjobs in here as you know lol
Thats for sure. I don't think I've had too many problems here anyways except for the few retards. Ie Mr I post youtube links all day long and conspiracy theorists

[AmyDaly]

Oh, she didn't tell you? She threatened to do that to me in person. The so-called sweetheart has fangs! :dancing:

As to the rest of you, the entire point of my comment here was to show that the industry is institutionalized and metathesiophobic. Mission accomplished.

~BB~
Yea, I did and I still will. I don't think I am the only one who would do it either. And Mission Failed. Nobody agrees with you. Opinions coming from someone who has barely any experience in the matter doesn't hold a lot of merit.

[BellaBellucci]

Yea, I did and I still will. I don't think I am the only one who would do it either. And Mission Failed. Nobody agrees with you. Opinions coming from someone who has barely any experience in the matter doesn't hold a lot of merit.

Neither do those coming from people expressing knee-jerk reactions. :geek:

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

Neither do those coming from people expressing knee-jerk reactions. :geek:

~BB~
Knee jerk reactions to what?

[BellaBellucci]

Knee jerk reactions to what?

... to the closure of your beloved AIM. The idea of an alternative has never even crossed into the minds of any of you. I find that just as creepy as any other group think you girls have been engaged in.

For the record, I'm glad AIM plans to re-open and I'm not bashing it. My problem is with its dominance. In case you haven't figured it out, I have a natural inclination towards opposing situations in which people have few, if any choices, and again, I think AIM's dominance makes it less likely that anyone will truly be able to compete to the point that it's better for the models.

If you don't like my opinion, ignore me or work it out.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

How many times have you been tested for a shoot bella? How many times have you had to deal with testing before a shoot?

[BellaBellucci]

How many times have you been tested for a shoot bella? How many times have you had to deal with testing before a shoot?

I made my point. I'm not going to lower myself to your elementary school games. It doesn't matter how many times. It doesn't change the principals of capitalism.

I'm out of this thread.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

I made my point. I'm not going to lower myself to your elementary school games. It doesn't matter how many times. It doesn't change the principals of capitalism.

I'm out of this thread.

~BB~

You are wrong. There are other options, they just suck and it is their own fault. You haven't even set foot in an AIM Office. You've never been tested for shoots. You are giving opinions on stuff that you don't have any personal experience with. Typical Bella. And you aren't out of this thread. You always want the last word and I'm sure you will reply.

[lisaparadise]

Thats for sure. I don't think I've had too many problems here anyways except for the few retards. Ie Mr I post youtube links all day long and conspiracy theoristsdidyou call me mister lol ?i dunno how it worked in the states but i find it pretty interesting about aim though im so used to having health care i sometimes forget you guys dont.i have 6 movies to my name and i get tested at my own docs and bring the results with me kinda weird how the other countries are so backward.

[AmyDaly]

didyou call me mister lol ?i dunno how it worked in the states but i find it pretty interesting about aim though im so used to having health care i sometimes forget you guys dont.i have 6 movies to my name and i get tested at my own docs and bring the results with me kinda weird how the other countries are so backward.

lol no, not you.. you know the guy who posts the same youtube videos about race all the time

[lisaparadise]

lol no, not you.. you know the guy who posts the same youtube videos about race all the timeya the crazy bitches lol i know ya didnt call me sir im just playin with ya sexy

[JoePitt]

... to the closure of your beloved AIM. The idea of an alternative has never even crossed into the minds of any of you. I find that just as creepy as any other group think you girls have been engaged in.

For the record, I'm glad AIM plans to re-open and I'm not bashing it. My problem is with its dominance. In case you haven't figured it out, I have a natural inclination towards opposing situations in which people have few, if any choices, and again, I think AIM's dominance makes it less likely that anyone will truly be able to compete to the point that it's better for the models.

If you don't like my opinion, ignore me or work it out.

~BB~

For the record, your solution to the AIM "problem" was to set up another monopoly. This tells me that somebody over there must have pissed in your bowl of Cap't Crunch. BTW, monopolies are a very good thing sometimes.

[the jesse]

If you are in need of testing in LA go to:


Talent Testing Services Northridge 818.885.0812 Hrs: Thurs 5-10pm Fri 9am-5pm Sat 9am-1pm Next Mon-Fri 9am-5pm


AIM will get their license back in LA after the state figures out how to provide the same service and i.e. make money.
thanks for the info aly

[natina]

there was the place in VAN NUYS AND OR THE PLACE IN NORTH HOLLYWOOD or in WEST LOS ANGELES and a few others that had the more expensive test $$$$ thats used in the porn industry.






Good. Now there won't be a monopoly on performer tests anymore as if AIM was the only place in all of Los Angeles that could provide them. :roll:

Score one for choice. :geek:

~BB~

[Los Angeles resident]

I'm probably in the minority here, but I think it's irresponsible of the adult industry to insist that performers don't wear condoms. I will admit I would get turned off if a girl receiving a blowjob was wearing a condom, but I would not have an issue with condoms being used if they're performing vaginal or anal sex.

[oscman]

There is another benefit to testing through AIM, which is useful to those who are not professionals - You can sign up for periodic testing without going to a doctor. HIV testing is important, but you could also get a range of other tests - Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes, etc. as well. Not as serious as HIV but still nasty.

You could use AIM for tests either as a performer or a Non-performer. You could also go to other labs in the LA Area and even in other states.

I hope that they get their licensing issues resolved and are able to resume business soon.

[ALYSINCLAIRxxx]

happy to be of service to you Jesse :mrgreen:


thanks for the info aly

[NYBURBS]

lol no, not you.. you know the guy who posts the same youtube videos about race all the time

You're probably talking about natina, a.k.a. Brenda

[GroobySteven]

I made my point. I'm not going to lower myself to your elementary school games. It doesn't matter how many times. It doesn't change the principals of capitalism.

I'm out of this thread.



AIM is a non-profit organisation ... that isn't very Capitalist.

"The nonprofit AIM clinic opened in 1998. Fielding said county public health officials did not become aware that they were operating without a license until April. In May, he said they sent clinic officials a letter advising them that as a nonprofit, they could not operate under an affiliated physician’s license and needed to apply instead for a clinic license."

Maybe you should read more instead of having knee-jerk reactions to everything.
Fucking womble.

[natina]

HOW CAN YOU SHIT AND HAVE A BIG DICK UP YOUR ASS AT THE SAME TIME?

the amazing abities of NYBURBS


You're probably talking about NYBURBS a.k.a. DOUCHE BAG

[BellaBellucci]

AIM is a non-profit organisation ... that isn't very Capitalist.

"The nonprofit AIM clinic opened in 1998. Fielding said county public health officials did not become aware that they were operating without a license until April. In May, he said they sent clinic officials a letter advising them that as a nonprofit, they could not operate under an affiliated physician’s license and needed to apply instead for a clinic license."

Maybe you should read more instead of having knee-jerk reactions to everything.
Fucking womble.

Yeah, you know something. I'm not out of this thread yet after all because I can't let people spread disinformation just because they think I won't respond. That's some bullshit right there, so I guess I will bash AIM after all after doing a bit more research. It seems that you and indeed many other producers have little regard for models' health:

To wit:

1) Founder Sharon Mitchell is not a medical doctor - she is a sexologist.

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2) The database of performers is in direct violation of HIPAA laws, which is why my suggestion earlier in this thread that the producers fund it directly wouldn't actually work: there's far too much liability. They needed a front so they started AIM.

3) Some people are saying this is an 'administrative' problem, but let's face it: the laws and licensing are on the books to protect patients, so in effect, breaking those laws indicates an unsafe and/or illegal situation for performers.

4) Some have tried to compete with AIM but could not because they were already so ingrained within the industry. As I've held all along, I hope better and more numerous clinics spring up to fill the void.

5) People who work there and run the place still get paid. Let's be real: there's really no such thing as a true non-profit.

6) Of course there's the whole Derrick Barry incident as well as numerous others who have tested positive. In most of those cases, studios were quickly notified as were partners of the infected. Patient Zero was seldom, if ever, given the proper care, which is a direct indication that AIM protects the industry, not its performers. In short: testing doesn't even work from the models' perspective.

and last but certainly not least...

7) The industry does in fact fund AIM. It's logical to conclude that they do this to avoid using condoms in productions since they also pressure most models to do so to the point that those who want to use them many times cannot get work at all.


"After years of total inaction, Los Angeles County officials have finally shut down AIM -- the porn industry's sham clinic."

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/County-Closes-Health-Clinic-Funded-by-Porn-Industry-111636234.html


And here's some info on what's going on now regarding 'clandestine draw stations,' AKA illegal draw stations:

http://darrahford.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/aim-health-clinic-gets-shut-down-by-the-county-where-to-go-now-to-get-tested/

All of this said, I officially change my position on mandatory condom use. While as a Libertarian I hate mandating anything, they should be used EVERY TIME to protect the health and safety of performers and the integrity of studios that have always had this requirement, and frankly, since the fans prefer to not see condoms in their porn, the only way to level the playing field is to require them of everyone. Taking a, 'if you don't risk your life, you can't make a living attitude,' is beyond harsh; it's heartless.

Trust me, the market will adjust if it has no other options and OSHA should have the same standards for studios as it has for doctors, dentists, etc, to reduce the transmission of bloodborne pathogens.

Now I know why everyone was so quick to defend the place. It's just as shady as the other parts of the industry that I've attacked in the past and they knew what would happen once I had more information. They knew I'd put it out there. Well here it is.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/porn-industry-health-clinic-shut-down-20101209

Knee jerk, indeed.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

I for one, would totally welcome all condom (for anal/vaginal) penetration shoots, in the industry. I've posted and argued on this a number of times. The majority of our hardcores are condom's, the ones that aren't are either between real life partners or a few though AIM, with performers we used regularly.

[GroobySteven]

5) People who work there and run the place still get paid. Let's be real: there's really no such thing as a true non-profit.


What's getting paid got to do with being non-profit?
Do you just type out shit constantly? You've never investigated AIM - so don't jump on that bandwagon - you just saw the post yesterday, so some girls that you don't like complain about it and decided to make it your cause for today.
Worse than an infected leech.

[BellaBellucci]

I for one, would totally welcome all condom (for anal/vaginal) penetration shoots, in the industry. I've posted and argued on this a number of times. The majority of our hardcores are condom's, the ones that aren't are either between real life partners or a few though AIM, with performers we used regularly.

Are you saying this is the second time this week that we actually agree on something? That was not the response I was expecting! :lol:

Then you had to go and ruin it! :geek:


What's getting paid got to do with being non-profit?
Do you just type out shit constantly? You've never investigated AIM - so don't jump on that bandwagon - you just saw the post yesterday, so some girls that you don't like complain about it and decided to make it your cause for today.
Worse than an infected leech.

It means Sharon Mitchell has a profit motive to be involved in a questionable 'clinic.' Hello?! It's NOT rocket science.

And my motivations a) are not what you think, b) are none of your business, and c) have no bearing on the truth of the matter.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

And my motivations c) have no bearing on the truth of the matter.

~BB~

Well we agree on that at least.

[lisaparadise]

wow that vid was eye opening to say the least,the database thing i think is awesome but the fact that aim has no doctors now thats alittle scary somebody has to come up with something alot better than that.im now glad its shut down

[GroobySteven]

wow that vid was eye opening to say the least,the database thing i think is awesome but the fact that aim has no doctors now thats alittle scary somebody has to come up with something alot better than that.im now glad its shut down

Every blood testing place I've been to in the USA, had no doctors.
Someone would take your blood - it would then be sent to a lab and the results back to yourself, your insurance company or your doctor.

[BellaBellucci]

Every blood testing place I've been to in the USA, had no doctors.
Someone would take your blood - it would then be sent to a lab and the results back to yourself, your insurance company or your doctor.

Those places don't have sexologists masquerading as medical doctors. I know it probably doesn't disqualify her from being able to run a clinic such as AIM, but I think the more important question is: why does she feel the need to use her title as a PhD to imply that she's an MD? A curious case to say the least. 'Shady' would be a bit more accurate.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Every blood testing place I've been to in the USA, had no doctors.
Someone would take your blood - it would then be sent to a lab and the results back to yourself, your insurance company or your doctor.really? i dunno canada seems to be so ahead of the states especially when it comes to health care,so whats next? are you guys in the porn bizz onto anything.

[BellaBellucci]

really? i dunno canada seems to be so ahead of the states especially when it comes to health care,so whats next? are you guys in the porn bizz onto anything.

You want to let the fox back into the hen house? It was the porn industry that subsidized AIM. If they take another shot at this, it had better be on the level this time.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

really? i dunno canada seems to be so ahead of the states especially when it comes to health care,so whats next? are you guys in the porn bizz onto anything.

I very much doubt when you go to a blood testing centre that it's a doctor taking your blood?

[BellaBellucci]

Here's a potential solution: why don't those studios who subsidize AIM provide the subsidy instead to a mainstream provider such as Quest Diagnostics in order to get them to provide the quickest turnaround and earliest detection? They provide online test results, so instead of having a database open for everyone to see, producers can have the models privately log into their Quest accounts and show them the results before shooting.

Or again, better still, OSHA could just mandate condom use. This really shouldn't all be this complicated.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I very much doubt when you go to a blood testing centre that it's a doctor taking your blood?ya your right its the nurse with a requisition form signed by my doc and then my doc tells me the results i have 2 docs here one that specializes in my transtion in toronto and my family doc in brantford for myself and my 2 kids it works great.i dont see how aim got away with not having a licienced physician sign off on the test to me thats nuts period.

[GroobySteven]

ya your right its the nurse with a requisition form signed by my doc and then my doc tells me the results i have 2 docs here one that specializes in my transtion in toronto and my family doc in brantford for myself and my 2 kids it works great.i dont see how aim got away with not having a licienced physician sign off on the test to me thats nuts period.

What part of it is nuts? I have the right to get my blood taken and tested at a lab without a doctors involvement? Why pay him to do nothing?

I'm not a huge fan of AIM by a long shot ... but I don't see what people are really getting at with the fact that there was not a medical doctor there?

[lisaparadise]

What part of it is nuts? I have the right to get my blood taken and tested at a lab without a doctors involvement? Why pay him to do nothing?

I'm not a huge fan of AIM by a long shot ... but I don't see what people are really getting at with the fact that there was not a medical doctor there?like i said everything medical here goes by a doctor we cant even see a specialist until we see a gp.but a doc is the one checking for not just hiv but alot of other abnormalitties.i feel safer and more confident knowing its my doctor looking after me wouldnt you?

[GroobySteven]

like i said everything medical here goes by a doctor we cant even see a specialist until we see a gp.but a doc is the one checking for not just hiv but alot of other abnormalitties.i feel safer and more confident knowing its my doctor looking after me wouldnt you?

I'm pretty sure you don't need a doctor Lisa. Maybe to get it on National Health you do - but if I want to go to a clinic, by myself and get a blood test for say cholesterol, then I can - and get the results. Frankly, I don't have much faith in GP's and would go directly to a specialist, so no, for things where I can easily read and understand the results, I don't need a doctor.

[lisaparadise]

I'm pretty sure you don't need a doctor Lisa. Maybe to get it on National Health you do - but if I want to go to a clinic, by myself and get a blood test for say cholesterol, then I can - and get the results. Frankly, I don't have much faith in GP's and would go directly to a specialist, so no, for things where I can easily read and understand the results, I don't need a doctor.ya makes sence but dont you guys have the same health care system as we do? or very similar.

[GroobySteven]

ya makes sence but dont you guys have the same health care system as we do? or very similar.

Almost identical. If you want tests/specialists then you have to go through a GP who is the gatekeeper. Some people though, pay for private insurance which gives you faster access, no gatekeepers, etc.

[lisaparadise]

Almost identical. If you want tests/specialists then you have to go through a GP who is the gatekeeper. Some people though, pay for private insurance which gives you faster access, no gatekeepers, etc.cool,now whats all you producers gonna do now that aims shut down?is there anything in the works yet or is it still too early?

[GroobySteven]

cool,now whats all you producers gonna do now that aims shut down?is there anything in the works yet or is it still too early?

Use condoms which we do for almost everything.

[AmyDaly]

What did I say, she would be back. Very predictable.

[BellaBellucci]

What did I say, she would be back. Very predictable.

... but more importantly, you just can't stand it when I'm right, can you? :geek:

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

... but more importantly, you just can't stand it when I'm right, can you? :geek:

~BB~

You aren't right. Nobody agrees with you. You've never even stepped foot in aim. Its just funny, thats all.

[lisaparadise]

if you kids dont start getting along your both going to bed.

[NYBURBS]

HOW CAN YOU SHIT AND HAVE A BIG DICK UP YOUR ASS AT THE SAME TIME?

the amazing abities of NYBURBS

Did I touch a nerve? lol

[BellaBellucci]

A convenient, discreet, and inexpensive alternative to AIM:


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FORT MYERS, Fla., Dec. 13, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- In the wake of news that Adult Industry Medical Health Foundation (AIM), in Sherman Oaks, CA has been temporarily closed, many adult entertainers find themselves without affordable, reliable and confidential blood test options. JustGetTested.com, a leading online lab test site offers a blood test profile specifically designed for the adult industry. In addition to providing recommended STD testing, the site offers unparalleled confidentiality allowing only the person ordering the test access to results.
According to Edward Salko, D.O. and Sonny Patidor, M.D., co-medical directors of JustGetTested.com, it is imperative to inform adult industry talent that options are available.
"AIM's closing is concerning because it filled an important health need in the porn industry. Anyone working in the adult industry is at risk for contracting a number of sexually transmitted diseases and infections -- including HIV," says Salko. "Although testing alone won't stop the spread of infections, regular testing is recommended by the Centers for Disease control. The industry standard is to be tested monthly. HIV by PCR tests can detect the disease as soon as 28 days after exposure. Adult entertainers need to know that there is still an affordable and confidential means of getting blood tested."
JUSTGETTESTED.com, is a subsidiary of Fort Myers, Florida-based PERSONALABS, LLC, and its sister site, PERSONALABS.com. The sites provide blood testing options that do not require a physician's office visit and can be ordered discreetly and confidentially online. Clients order online and are directed to the nearest LabCorp client service center according to their zip code. Then, clients log onto a secure server to retrieve their results. The purpose of JUSTGETTESTED.com is to empower clients to have more control of their health care by allowing them to obtain sensitive health information that they can use to discuss with their healthcare provider or monitor their health.

Justgettested.com (http://justgettested.com)

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

*bump*

~BB~

[addicted]

any place that gives hiv tests should be shut down period because that test is a hogwash. std should be used for adult film performers not a bogus test such as a hiv test. this will never happen though cause modern medicine is so damn corrupt and they dont care who they hurt in the process.