Why has Obama failed so hard?

[PomonaCA]

You have gay whiners chaining themselves to the White House fence, AIDS baaawwwers bawwing and interrupting the poor idiots speeches, a general anger at his strong armed methods to ram free-healthcare legislation for free healthcare that hardly anyone wanted...... and that's just LIBERALS I'm talking about. Us on the right don't like the guy simply because he's black.

I've never seen a bigger failure in the White House than Obama. Even his own PARTY doesn't like him and he's only 2 years in! I LOVE IT!

[yodajazz]

One major thing, it is more important to Republicans that he fail, than to face solving the serious issues facing us. The conservatives/Republicans want the US to fail, in order to gain power. Take the healthcare bill, their input was sought, and compromises were made to enlist their support. They did virtually nothing, but complain. They dont care about the planet, or humanity in general, its all about their money. Genocide, murder, no human rights, no problem, for people like you.

What gives you any credibility, when you basically said my people should just die off? At least you seemed to be honest, but... The same people you said should just die off, have shed their blood in every American conflict, even begging to be put into combat duties when they told they did not have the fortitude to do it.

I have read your vision of the US future, chaos, fighting in the streets. This seems to be your vision for our nation. It is not Obama's fault, it is your fault for not believing in the principles on which this nation was founded, and what made this nation great.

Iraq was the US's war of aggression. It's not funny that people can just pretend that 100,000 Iraqi deaths was an 'honest mistake'. Wall Street crash, was just a coincidence. Conservatives have created a fantasy world, where providing healthcare is evil, but murder (unjustified war), is just an honest mistake. All this worst president stuff is just media spin, and is dangerous in itself. People are saying that is because of Obama that the US does not have respect. In the 9/11 Report it said that the US had a 70% approval rating in the Muslim nation of Indonesia. After the invasion of Iraq it dipped to 17%. And this is from a bipartisan made publication, before Obama was president. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. It is not the world that does not respect Obama. It's brainwashed American citizens.

[PomonaCA]

One major thing, it is more important to Republicans that he fail, than to face solving the serious issues facing us. The conservatives/Republicans want the US to fail, in order to gain power. Take the healthcare bill, their input was sought, and compromises were made to enlist their support. They did virtually nothing, but complain. They dont care about the planet, or humanity in general, its all about their money. Genocide, murder, no human rights, no problem, for people like you.

What gives you any credibility, when you basically said my people should just die off? At least you seemed to be honest, but... The same people you said should just die off, have shed their blood in every American conflict, even begging to be put into combat duties when they told they did not have the fortitude to do it.

I have read your vision of the US future, chaos, fighting in the streets. This seems to be your vision for our nation. It is not Obama's fault, it is your fault for not believing in the principles on which this nation was founded, and what made this nation great.

Iraq was the US's war of aggression. It's not funny that people can just pretend that 100,000 Iraqi deaths was an 'honest mistake'. Wall Street crash, was just a coincidence. Conservatives have created a fantasy world, where providing healthcare is evil, but murder (unjustified war), is just an honest mistake. All this worst president stuff is just media spin, and is dangerous in itself. People are saying that is because of Obama that the US does not have respect. In the 9/11 Report it said that the US had a 70% approval rating in the Muslim nation of Indonesia. After the invasion of Iraq it dipped to 17%. And this is from a bipartisan made publication, before Obama was president. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. It is not the world that does not respect Obama. It's brainwashed American citizens.


How emotional. It's funny how, at DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT, liberals still want to talk about "caring about the planet". I think one of your studies came out the other day and said that 1 in 9 people in this country suffered from "hunger issues".... and there you guys are talking about banning plastic grocery bags and taxing foods to balance the budget (read; pay your union government pensions).

The liberals time is coming to an end and with it, the disgusting affluenza your sick minds carry inside.

DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT and these guys are still talking about raising taxes and "caring about the planet". You too will meet humility, like so many out of work Americans that your policies have regulated out of a job.

[hippifried]

I don't know why you bother, Yoda.

It's a waste of time to try & answer a bogus question.

[south ov da border]

he's failing because our political system has been failing pretty much since they killed Kennedy, and even before that...

[trish]

Ike knew and warned us of the dangers of rule by corporations, but for politicians the lure of perks and kick backs is as irresistible as the lure of cock to a chaser. Strong campaign regulations, regulations on lobbying, a tighter fist around the military budget and their contracts, and tighter regulations on corporate entitities is the only remedy. But we'll never get those remedies because nearly half our representatives are idiot-ologcially opposed to them, and the other half's bread is corporately buttered.

[beandip]

One major thing, it is more important to Republicans that he fail, than to face solving the serious issues facing us. The conservatives/Republicans want the US to fail, in order to gain power. Take the healthcare bill, their input was sought, and compromises were made to enlist their support. They did virtually nothing, but complain.

Bullshit. The Republicans asked over and over where will the money come from, to pay for the health care bill. The republicans stated they would go along with the bill if there would be corresponding cuts in other programs.

In essence they asked "Show me the money" and we'll vote for it too.

So now the Dems have foisted the largest tax increase ever on Americans since the income tax was implemented.

To quote PJ O'rourke "If you think health care is expensive now.... wait until it's free"

[PomonaCA]

Bullshit. The Republicans asked over and over where will the money come from, to pay for the health care bill. The republicans stated they would go along with the bill if there would be corresponding cuts in other programs.

In essence they asked "Show me the money" and we'll vote for it too.

So now the Dems have foisted the largest tax increase ever on Americans since the income tax was implemented.

To quote PJ O'rourke "If you think health care is expensive now.... wait until it's free"


These atheists are so hungry for their savior, they will willingly pay any price for the freedom that government promises them. Their Obama promises freedom in exchange for freedom.

[african1]

Anyone who votes here agrees with the original poster's fallacious conclusion: that our Black president has failed. Although I am not an African-American however I love to remind those white bigots who passed the judgment on Obama before he even took office, about the reason they really hate him.

So having only 7 people who voted shows how smart the members of HA are. Except of course for those 7 voters who we may theorize that they are FoxNews Teabagging in the closet gay Republicans.

[african1]

These atheists are so hungry for their savior, they will willingly pay any price for the freedom that government promises them. Their Obama promises freedom in exchange for freedom.

How come an Evangelical Christian :praying: debating T-girls and sinners on hungangels.com. :confused:

[yodajazz]

How emotional. It's funny how, at DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT, liberals still want to talk about "caring about the planet". I think one of your studies came out the other day and said that 1 in 9 people in this country suffered from "hunger issues".... and there you guys are talking about banning plastic grocery bags and taxing foods to balance the budget (read; pay your union government pensions).

The liberals time is coming to an end and with it, the disgusting affluenza your sick minds carry inside.

DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT and these guys are still talking about raising taxes and "caring about the planet". You too will meet humility, like so many out of work Americans that your policies have regulated out of a job.

Caring about the planet does not have to directly and negativley related to employement. For, example if the use of plastic bags are reduced, someone will have to make more environmentally friendly ones. Increased production sounds like jobs to me.

[yodajazz]

These atheists are so hungry for their savior, they will willingly pay any price for the freedom that government promises them. Their Obama promises freedom in exchange for freedom.

It does not seem to me that you know much about God, as outlined by Jesus. He seem to have a pretty compassionate view of humanity. He said, "that which you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me". He even listed many specific things, like, "I was thirsty and you gave me drink". Seems to me the conservative agenda, is all about money, cutting the budget, taxes, etc. Seems to me, being thankful for what we have been given, is an important part, of spirituality. I dont think I would be doing that much complaining, if I was making over $250,000 a year, in this economy. They are saying that unemployment benefits are going to run out for 5 million people, soon. They said there would be 1 million home foreclosures this year. Many are thankful for just having a roof over thier heads. I dont see that much thankfulness about living in the US, about being under a democracy form of government, among many conservatives these days. This ties in with the names they have called people here. Not even giving respect for the creatures that God is said to have created. So dont talk to me about athesist. Some of them are closer to Jesus, than you give them credit for.

[african1]

YAAAY...8 gay republicans now. :mrgreen:

[Planar]

Let me ask you a question: do you think restoring 'pride' and 'honor' in America will restore employment?

[hippifried]

Let me ask you a question: do you think restoring 'pride' and 'honor' in America will restore employment?
I don't know for pride, but honor, definitely.

[PomonaCA]

It does not seem to me that you know much about God, as outlined by Jesus. He seem to have a pretty compassionate view of humanity. He said, "that which you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me". He even listed many specific things, like, "I was thirsty and you gave me drink". Seems to me the conservative agenda, is all about money, cutting the budget, taxes, etc. Seems to me, being thankful for what we have been given, is an important part, of spirituality. I dont think I would be doing that much complaining, if I was making over $250,000 a year, in this economy. They are saying that unemployment benefits are going to run out for 5 million people, soon. They said there would be 1 million home foreclosures this year. Many are thankful for just having a roof over thier heads. I dont see that much thankfulness about living in the US, about being under a democracy form of government, among many conservatives these days. This ties in with the names they have called people here. Not even giving respect for the creatures that God is said to have created. So dont talk to me about athesist. Some of them are closer to Jesus, than you give them credit for.


I just got done rereading the New Testament but I couldn't find the part where Jesus says the government should steal a chunk from your paycheck, slush-fund the money, pork barrel it, earmark it and then give what's left to people who "have little".

There's a difference between helping your fellow man and helping your fellow man under government mandate. That's where liberals go wrong.

It's Christian to give from the heart. It's not Christian to give under government mandate. And if the government takes the money before you have a chance to give, it's plain tyranny.

[yodajazz]

I just got done rereading the New Testament but I couldn't find the part where Jesus says the government should steal a chunk from your paycheck, slush-fund the money, pork barrel it, earmark it and then give what's left to people who "have little".

There's a difference between helping your fellow man and helping your fellow man under government mandate. That's where liberals go wrong.

It's Christian to give from the heart. It's not Christian to give under government mandate. And if the government takes the money before you have a chance to give, it's plain tyranny.

Look directly at the words of Jesus in Mark12:14-17+. He was asked the question directly on whether or not people should pay taxes. For those that do not know the story, (like you and me), he asked that someone produce a coin. He asked whose picture was on it. They answered, "Ceasar". Jesus said: Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

The principle is, that money is a government system. Give them what they ask. However there is a second part to this. The second part is God's system. Somewhere is it is written, "as you give, so shall you receive". This is God's system. As you give taxes, God is promising to give back to you, in increased portions. Those are not my words. And the Bible did not say, "as you give you shall recieve, except taxes".

So who do you believe, God, or Rush Limbaugh?

[PomonaCA]

Look directly at the words of Jesus in Mark12:14-17+. He was asked the question directly on whether or not people should pay taxes. For those that do not know the story, (like you and me), he asked that someone produce a coin. He asked whose picture was on it. They answered, "Ceasar". Jesus said: Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

The principle is, that money is a government system. Give them what they ask. However there is a second part to this. The second part is God's system. Somewhere is it is written, "as you give, so shall you receive". This is God's system. As you give taxes, God is promising to give back to you, in increased portions. Those are not my words. And the Bible did not say, "as you give you shall recieve, except taxes".

So who do you believe, God, or Rush Limbaugh?

In the words of Dr Jeff Dowder "Oh my God man!"

In that case, the government is completely justified in taxing every last dollar I sweat over. Fuck it.

Ok, I'm exaggerating but do we really want Caesar running this country? If we do, we might as well blow the shit up right now. No civil war, no 60's riots or any of that other pussy-boy shit. Let's just nuke it all up and start over.

How much of the money that I sweated for will the government and it's union special-interest assholes let me keep? The number keeps going up but hey, based on what you said, Jesus says it's cool to let the government assrape you. I'd rather rape Caesar and George Washington would have, too. In fact, he did.

The clock is ticking on liberal affluenza. Reusable shopping bags be damned.

[yodajazz]

In the words of Dr Jeff Dowder "Oh my God man!"

In that case, the government is completely justified in taxing every last dollar I sweat over. Fuck it.

Ok, I'm exaggerating but do we really want Caesar running this country? If we do, we might as well blow the shit up right now. No civil war, no 60's riots or any of that other pussy-boy shit. Let's just nuke it all up and start over.

How much of the money that I sweated for will the government and it's union special-interest assholes let me keep? The number keeps going up but hey, based on what you said, Jesus says it's cool to let the government assrape you. I'd rather rape Caesar and George Washington would have, too. In fact, he did.

The clock is ticking on liberal affluenza. Reusable shopping bags be damned.

So you believe Rush Limbaugh, over God. You are making a ridicuous case scenario. No government, would or has taken all of a person's money. If they did that the person could not live to make any more money to pay taxes. That scenario is not even rational. Also people do move to less taxed places, so there is a competitive part of how high tax rates could go.

Every citizen has the right to debate and vote on issues involving government expenditures. However, these days the issue of taxes and hatred towards government, is getting irrational. Ideas like, poor people are useless, and are only a drain on society, are not only wrong, but goes against Christian, and other religions principles. Saying things, like Obama hates America are completely irrational. He's not talking about blowing up America, like you. The idea of that having a very general political view, like the term 'liberal', is a disease, is what is destroying America. Being "liberal' is a term, that could apppy to tens of millions of Americans. That we cannot respect our fellow citizens as rational human beings, means that we are becoming dangerously divided. Bin Laden must be very happy, that American citizens are criticizing each other worse than he can.

[PomonaCA]

So you believe Rush Limbaugh, over God.

You speak for God now?


You are making a ridicuous case scenario. No government, would or has taken all of a person's money. If they did that the person could not live to make any more money to pay taxes. That scenario is not even rational. Also people do move to less taxed places, so there is a competitive part of how high tax rates could go.

What a simpleton. The Soviets did exactly that for 70 fucking years. Whatever you earned, the government kept. What you got in place was a shitty apartment to live in.


Every citizen has the right to debate and vote on issues involving government expenditures.

They're not 'expenditures', they're expenses. Come to terms with honest language and stop adding in syllables to water down wasteful actions and spending.


However, these days the issue of taxes and hatred towards government, is getting irrational. Ideas like, poor people are useless, and are only a drain on society, are not only wrong, but goes against Christian, and other religions principles. Saying things, like Obama hates America are completely irrational. He's not talking about blowing up America, like you. The idea of that having a very general political view, like the term 'liberal', is a disease, is what is destroying America. Being "liberal' is a term, that could apppy to tens of millions of Americans. That we cannot respect our fellow citizens as rational human beings, means that we are becoming dangerously divided. Bin Laden must be very happy, that American citizens are criticizing each other worse than he can.


I'll take my chances when it comes to being "dangerously divided". You stay on your side of town, I'll stay on mine. Citizenship doesn't mean friendship, it means citizenship and thank God for that. I have no time for weak minded wimps like you.

[african1]

Damn 13 gay republicans now...

[yodajazz]

You speak for God now?
I have studied and practiced a spiritual philosophy for many years. I especially esteem the teachings of Jesus. Jesus said to love God, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. He was critical of the of the Phareses, a class of people who were educated, and thought they were better than others. He flat out said, dont be like them. Modern day Republican/Conservatives are exactly like those Phareses of the past, self righteous, feeling they have the right to judge who should live and die on this planet. Calling Bill Clinton immoral for his sexual affair, meanwhile their cohorts were planning a war, which has resulted in 100,000 deaths.



What a simpleton. The Soviets did exactly that for 70 fucking years. Whatever you earned, the government kept. What you got in place was a shitty apartment to live in. .

The U.S., and Soviet Union are two completely different models. And anyway, havent Federal income taxes been cut for like 90-95 of the people? And I have been told that with the tax cuts for the top earners expired, the rates will still be lower than the past.




They're not 'expenditures', they're expenses. Come to terms with honest language and stop adding in syllables to water down wasteful actions and spending. .
The trouble is, what is wasteful and what is not? You have already said that we should let certain populations perish from the earth. With so much talk about cutting expenses, I dont hear a lot of specifics. But we are in a specific crisis right now. The stimulus is at least trying address the crisis with specific answers. I read that 40% of the stimulus package, was tax cuts. So that's not exactly trying to take everyone'e money then, if the plan is giving billions in tax cuts.




I'll take my chances when it comes to being "dangerously divided". You stay on your side of town, I'll stay on mine. Citizenship doesn't mean friendship, it means citizenship and thank God for that. I have no time for weak minded wimps like you.
There is an age old saying, "Divide and conquer". Citizenship does not mean friendship, but it does mean respect for the rights of all. We share a common history and destiny, as a nation. I served in the Army, and we were a unit, even though we came from all over the country. I worked jobs were we were/are a team. For me, anyone is welcome on my side of town. We were all created by the same God, I believe. We all want many of the same things, unlike what others have told you. Whatever you say about me, I also have love, and I have peace. Jesus said that he would give us his peace, and he is not he only one. When a person has peace, like me, they wish that everyone could have it. It's a good thing. I wish you peace, but I see you barricaded up, on your side of town with your guns, living in fear, and looking for armegedon, not understanding what it really means to be free.

[Amsterdamage]

So...then why doesn't the church pay any taxes...? :whistle:

[Niccolo]

The question isn't why has Obama failed so badly, but why did anyone ever think he would be capable of governing America? After all he hadn't done a damn thing worth mentioning before running for President, apart from sit and listen to that wingnut Jeremiah Wright for a couple of decades. Like that was going to prepare him psychologically and spiritually for the job.

The minute Obama bowed to the Saudi king you should all have known you were done for.

[african1]

The question isn't why has Obama failed so badly, but why did anyone ever think he would be capable of governing America? After all he hadn't done a damn thing worth mentioning before running for President, apart from sit and listen to that wingnut Jeremiah Wright for a couple of decades. Like that was going to prepare him psychologically and spiritually for the job.

The minute Obama bowed to the Saudi king you should all have known you were done for.

Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College. In February 1981, he made his first public speech, calling for Occidental's divestment from South Africa.
Later in 1981 he transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialty in international relations[29]B.A. in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[30][31] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[32][33] and graduated with a
Chicago community organizer and Harvard Law School

After four years in New York City, Obama was hired in Chicago as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.[32][34] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from US$70,000 ($141,564 in 2010) to US$400,000 ($735,648 in 2010). He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[35] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[36]paternal relatives[37] He returned in August 2006 for a visit to his father's birthplace, a village near Kisumu in rural western Kenya.[38] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time in Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his for the first time.
In late 1988, Obama entered Harvard Law School. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[39] and president of the journal in his second year.[40] During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[41] After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude[42] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.[39] Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention[40][43] which evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.[43] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations,

University of Chicago Law School and civil rights attorney

In 1991, Obama accepted a two-year position as Visiting Law and Government Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School to work on his first book.[44] He then served as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years—as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004—teaching constitutional law.[45]
From April to October 1992, Obama directed Illinois's Project Vote, a voter registration drive with ten staffers and seven hundred volunteer registrars; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[46] In 1993 he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 13-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.[47]
From 1994 to 2002, Obama served on the boards of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund the Developing Communities Project, and of the Joyce Foundation.[32] He served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999.[32]

Legislative career: 1997–2008

State Senator: 1997–2004

Main article: Illinois Senate career of Barack Obama
Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from Illinois's 13th District, which at that time spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park – KenwoodSouth Shore and west to Chicago Lawn.[48] Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[49] He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[50] In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures.[51] south to
Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, defeating Republican Yesse Yehudah in the general election, and was reelected again in 2002.[52] In 2000, he lost a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one.[53]
In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.[54] He sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained, and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.[50][55]death penalty reforms.[56] Obama resigned from the Illinois Senate in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[57] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting

U.S. Senate campaign

See also: United States Senate election in Illinois, 2004
In May 2002, Obama commissioned a poll to assess his prospects in a 2004 U.S. Senate race; he created a campaign committee, began raising funds and lined up political media consultant David Axelrod by August 2002, and formally announced his candidacy in January 2003.[58]
Obama was an early opponent of the George W. Bush administration's 2003 invasion of Iraq.[59] On October 2, 2002, the day President Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War,[60] Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally,[61] and spoke out against the war.[62] He addressed another anti-war rally in March 2003 and told the crowd that "it's not too late" to stop the war.[63]
Decisions by Republican incumbent Peter Fitzgerald and his Democratic predecessor Carol Moseley Braun not to contest the race resulted in wide-open Democratic and Republican primary contests involving fifteen candidates.[64] In the March 2004 primary election, Obama won in an unexpected landslide—which overnight made him a rising star within the national Democratic Party, started speculation about a presidential future, and led to the reissue of his memoir, Dreams from My Father.[65]
In July 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts,[66] and it was seen by 9.1 million viewers. His speech was well received and elevated his status within the Democratic Party.[67]
Obama's expected opponent in the general election, Republican primary winner Jack Ryan, withdrew from the race in June 2004.[68] Six weeks later, Alan Keyes accepted the Illinois Republican Party's nomination to replace Ryan.[69] In the November 2004 general election, Obama won with 70% of the vote.[70]

U.S. Senator: 2005–2008

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Obama delivering a speech at the University of Southern California, on October 28, 2006.


Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005,[71] at which time he became the only Senate member of the Congressional Black Caucus.[72] CQ Weekly characterized him as a "loyal Democrat" based on analysis of all Senate votes in 2005–2007. The National Journal ranked him among the "most liberal" senators during 2005 through 2007[73] (the ranking has been criticized by liberal groups such as Media Matters for America[74][75]). He enjoyed high popularity as senator with a 72% approval in Illinois.[76]lame-duck session, to focus on his transition period for the presidency.[77] Obama announced on November 13, 2008, that he would resign his Senate seat on November 16, 2008, before the start of the
Legislation


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Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn[78] (R-OK) and Obama discussing the Coburn–Obama Transparency Act


Obama cosponsored the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.[79]Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons,[80] and the Coburn–Obama Transparency Act, which authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine on federal spending.[81] On June 3, 2008, Senator Obama, along with Senators Tom Carper, Tom Coburn, and John McCain, introduced follow-up legislation: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008.[82] He introduced two initiatives bearing his name: Lugar–Obama, which expanded the
Obama sponsored legislation that would have required nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks, but the bill failed to pass in the full Senate after being heavily modified in committee.[83]tort reform, Obama voted for the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which grants immunity from civil liability to telecommunications companies complicit with NSA warrantless wiretapping operations.[84] Regarding
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Obama and U.S. Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) visit a Russian mobile launch missile dismantling facility in August 2005.[85]


In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act, marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[86]Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which was signed into law in September 2007.[87] Obama also introduced Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections[88], and the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007,[89] neither of which has been signed into law. In January 2007, Obama and Senator Feingold introduced a corporate jet provision to the
Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges.[90] This amendment passed the full Senate in the spring of 2008.[91] He sponsored the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, which has not passed committee, and co-sponsored legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.[92] Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.[93]
Committees

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.[94] In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.[95] He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs.[96] As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi condemning corruption within the Kenyan government.[97]
Presidential campaign: 2008

Main articles: United States presidential election, 2008, Barack Obama presidential primary campaign, 2008, and Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008
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Obama stands on stage with his wife and two daughters just before announcing his presidential candidacy in Springfield, Illinois, Feb. 10, 2007.


On February 10, 2007, Obama announced his candidacy for president of the United States in front of the Old State Capitol building in Springfield, Illinois.[98][99][100] The choice of the announcement site was viewed as symbolic[98][101] because it was also where Abraham Lincoln delivered his historic "House Divided" speech in 1858.[100] Throughout the campaign, Obama emphasized the issues of rapidly ending the Iraq War, increasing energy independence and providing universal health care.[102]
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Obama delivers his presidential election victory speech in Chicago's Grant Park.


A large number of candidates entered the Democratic Party presidential primaries. The field narrowed to a duel between Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton after early contests, with the race remaining close throughout the primary process but with Obama gaining a steady lead in pledged delegates due to better long-range planning, superior fundraising, dominant organizing in caucus states, and better exploitation of delegate allocation rules.[103] On June 3, with all states counted, Obama was named the presumptive nominee[104] and delivered a victory speech in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Clinton ended her campaign and endorsed him on June 7, 2008.[105]
Obama proceeded to focus on the general election campaign against Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in the lead up to the Democratic National Convention. He announced on August 23, 2008, that he had selected Delaware Senator Joe Biden as his vice presidential running mate.[106] At the convention, held August 25 to August 28 in Denver, Colorado, Hillary Clinton called for her delegates and supporters to endorse Obama, and she and Bill Clinton gave convention speeches in support of Obama.[107] Obama delivered his acceptance speech to a crowd of over 75,000 at Invesco Field at Mile High[108] and presented his policy goals; the speech was viewed by over 38 million people worldwide.[109]
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President George W. Bush meets with President-Elect Obama in the Oval Office on November 10, 2008.


During both the primary process and the general election, Obama's campaign set numerous fundraising records, particularly in the quantity of small donations.[110] On June 19, 2008, Obama became the first major-party presidential candidate to turn down public financing in the general election since the system was created in 1976.[111]
After McCain was nominated as the Republican candidate, three presidential debates were held between the contenders spanning September and October 2008.[112] On November 4, Obama won the presidency by winning 365 electoral votes to 173 that McCain received,[113] in the process capturing 52.9% of the popular vote to McCain's 45.7%,[114] to become the first African American[115] to be elected president. Obama delivered his victory speech before hundreds of thousands of supporters in Chicago's Grant Park.[116]

[thombergeron]

Bullshit. The Republicans asked over and over where will the money come from, to pay for the health care bill. The republicans stated they would go along with the bill if there would be corresponding cuts in other programs.

In essence they asked "Show me the money" and we'll vote for it too.

So now the Dems have foisted the largest tax increase ever on Americans since the income tax was implemented.

To quote PJ O'rourke "If you think health care is expensive now.... wait until it's free"

For some reason, it just never ceases to amaze me that someone who is obviously sitting in front of a computer, with all the world's knowledge at his fingertips, still can't be arsed to get his facts straight. I mean, not anything that you say here actually happened.

Hey, Pomona, do you think Obama is going to dip all the way into Reagan territory? Currently, he's at about 48%, so it seems hard to imagine he'll drop all the way to 35%, which was Reagan's approval rating at his two-year mark. But anything can happen. Unemployment really does seem to be leveling off, though, so I don't think Obama's going to manage to break Reagan's record of 10.8%, the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression.

[Amsterdamage]

Never before, not EVER, in the entire history of american government, has a governing administration consist of so few members who have ever worked in the private sector, i.e. have ever worked a real normal job in their life. I kinda think that's also one of the reasons why this administration has failed dontcha think?

[hippifried]

Show me any politician, antwhere on this planet, who's ever had a real job.

[thombergeron]

Never before, not EVER, in the entire history of american government, has a governing administration consist of so few members who have ever worked in the private sector, i.e. have ever worked a real normal job in their life. I kinda think that's also one of the reasons why this administration has failed dontcha think?

What an odd thing to say...

First, I think it would be impossible to quantify such an argument. You're going to have to decide what you mean by governing administration -- senior government officials? appointments subject to Senate confirmation? the entire Executive Branch? Then you'd have to figure out how to compare the almost 60 Presidential administrations (as long as you're only talking about the Federal gov't), the composition of which has varied wildly over the last 230 years. Heck, the Department of Defense didn't even exist until 60 years ago.

Then you'd have to find some reasonable definition of a "real normal job." Do you really just mean "private sector"? Because my plumber has been self-employed for 35 years, but I don't think he'd make a very good public servant. Franklin Roosevelt, on the other hand, was a public servant for his entire life and was arguably the most successful president this country has ever seen.

Finally, amidst all this talk of "failure" I'd love for one person, just one, to point out specifically how the Obama Administration has "failed." In less than two years, with a outright hostile opposition party, it looks to me like the administration has actually been relatively successful. Passed ACA, passed Dodd-Frank, passed ARRA, passed a middle-class tax cut tax, negotiated a new arms reduction treaty with the Russkies, re-engaged with NATO, etc....

[thombergeron]

Nice timing. Commerce Dept. just released it's 3rd quarter numbers. U.S. corporate profits set a record in 3rd quarter 2010: $1.221 trillion.

Highest annualized U.S. corporate profits in history.

Still looking for that "failure."

[african1]

Never before, not EVER, in the entire history of american government, has a governing administration consist of so few members who have ever worked in the private sector, i.e. have ever worked a real normal job in their life. I kinda think that's also one of the reasons why this administration has failed dontcha think?

What makes you think this Administration has failed. It did not. Besides it has two more years to go. The last Congress was one of the most productive in American History since the times of FDR. A lot of things got passed, but success doesn't draw publicity. Few failures do because it is good business to talk about political bickering. And when the radical conservative media has huge microphones to distort the truth, all the bills that got passed got forgotten real quick.

[african1]

What an odd thing to say...

Finally, amidst all this talk of "failure" I'd love for one person, just one, to point out specifically how the Obama Administration has "failed." In less than two years, with a outright hostile opposition party, it looks to me like the administration has actually been relatively successful. Passed ACA, passed Dodd-Frank, passed ARRA, passed a middle-class tax cut tax, negotiated a new arms reduction treaty with the Russkies, re-engaged with NATO, etc....

Here are some more accomplishments:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=51594

[yodajazz]

Never before, not EVER, in the entire history of american government, has a governing administration consist of so few members who have ever worked in the private sector, i.e. have ever worked a real normal job in their life. I kinda think that's also one of the reasons why this administration has failed dontcha think?

I argue the opposite; that its a good thing about government people, not working in the private sector. There is a conflict problem, with government officials going to work for industries they were overseeing, or vice versa. Probably the best known of many examples is Vice President, Dick Cheney who was an instrumental supporter of the attack on Iraq. The company, who he was a former head of, got multi-million dollars of contracts from the Iraq war. They were even able to sell oil to, the oil rich, Iraqis.

In a recent thread, I cited the case of Martha Graham, the wife of Republican Senator, Phil Graham, who left the head the government Futures and Commodities Comission to go the board of Enron. Enron got an exemption to government oversight, right after she left, the govvernment to join them. They went on to make well over 100 billion from cornering the California energy market, before collapsing.

Ex-Generals, working for weapons makers, and also giving information to the public on television, as ,experts', has been called into question. But even more questionable is the general involvment in selling their ex-employers, the government, new weapon systems from their new employers.

If you are ever bored look up information on the Becthel Corp. You find loads of top government officials, including a Republican ex-secretary of Defense, and an ex-CIA director. They got 680 billion in Iraq reconstruction contracts. Even the Bin Laden family, has investments in an equity fund run by the Becthel family.
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One critical article has this to say about them:
Bechtel’s close relationship with the CIA helped influence overthrows of several foreign governments perceived as unfriendly to American business goals; and allowed the company to be at the right place at the right time to take advantage of new business opportunities with puppet regimes.
http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/corporate/dd/bechtel2.html
(Coincidently, a couple of those were in Muslim nations, these happened in the 1950's. We don't have seem many problems with Muslim nations who are friendly to US business interests, i.e Saudia Arabia, where Becthel has had major building projects.)

So I am saying that government officials, having lots of private sector experience, is not always in the best interest of the general public.

[Amsterdamage]

Show me any politician, antwhere on this planet, who's ever had a real job.

Is this a serious question? Because if i'd answer that, it would fill up the whole page.
The fact that this administration has the smallest number of members EVER who've had a real job, in the entire history of America, automatically means that all the previous administrations have had more wouldnt u think?
Do your own research and then do the math please :)

@yoda:
I'm not saying they need lots of experience, and yes i agree that conflicts of interest can rise as soon as someone moves from a higher management level in a company into a political position, we've been able to witness the scams around that plenty of times. BUT that's controllable, you can eliminate that conflict by being careful with where you get the person and where you put him.

My concern is that a politician who hasn't had any real work experience is completely out of touch with reality and has no idea how things work in the common world. And most likely he/she doesn't care either. Yet the way they talk (i personally love Vivek Kundra's speeches, he's one of the worst) as if they've had loads of experience in all sorts of fields and know what's going on. Not in any particular words, but because of the way they speek, that is what the public assumes and therefore believes. Very dangerous and misleading.

[hippifried]

The fact that this administration has the smallest number of members EVER who've had a real job, in the entire history of America, automatically means that all the previous administrations have had more wouldnt u think?
Do your own research and then do the math please
Hey, I've got a calculator & acomputer. Give me some numbers to crunch. Personally, I think this is just another of those statements you like to pull out of your ass. I have no intention of researching the resumes of hundreds of staff personnel who all came from somewhere & hadn't been working in the Whitehouse prior to 2009. Maybe they were working the oil fields of Haiti.

[Amsterdamage]

I have no intention of researching the resumes of hundreds of staff personnel who all came from somewhere & hadn't been working in the Whitehouse prior to 2009.
Then don't bring it up!!!


Hey, I've got a calculator & acomputer. Give me some numbers to crunch. Personally, I think this is just another of those statements you like to pull out of your ass.
although i often don't agree with you, i did use to consider you a pretty serious and respectable contributor to subjects like these, at least someone with some sanity compared to most others here. but now u're just plainly telling me i'm pulling statements out of my ass? and next u refuse to do your own research? see, that's the whole problem with people adding themselves to a discussion about these subjects. most of you act as if you know exactly what's going on, yet you refuse to do your own freakin research.
this is precisely what i refer to in my other post: you read/hear something here n there, and then take it for the absolute truth, without thinking any further.

if you decide to participate in discussions about subjects like these, i expect you to have your facts straight in stead of just 'debunking' something i say without really debunking it but still have the nerve to ask ME to prove my point. no, if you disagree with my point, YOU first prove why i'm wrong, and then we'll go from there. if you're too lazy to go that way, it's maybe better not to participate in these discussions at all.


Maybe they were working the oil fields of Haiti.
ha, cute

[yodajazz]

Is this a serious question? Because if i'd answer that, it would fill up the whole page.
The fact that this administration has the smallest number of members EVER who've had a real job, in the entire history of America, automatically means that all the previous administrations have had more wouldnt u think?
Do your own research and then do the math please :)

@yoda:
I'm not saying they need lots of experience, and yes i agree that conflicts of interest can rise as soon as someone moves from a higher management level in a company into a political position, we've been able to witness the scams around that plenty of times. BUT that's controllable, you can eliminate that conflict by being careful with where you get the person and where you put him.

My concern is that a politician who hasn't had any real work experience is completely out of touch with reality and has no idea how things work in the common world. And most likely he/she doesn't care either. Yet the way they talk (i personally love Vivek Kundra's speeches, he's one of the worst) as if they've had loads of experience in all sorts of fields and know what's going on. Not in any particular words, but because of the way they speek, that is what the public assumes and therefore believes. Very dangerous and misleading.

I worked a government job of family services. We dealt directly with families at risk and thier issues. It might not be considered a 'real job', to some people, but for those families, it was sometimes life and death, or just basic survival issues. Obama worked on a community level directly with families. Their world is real too, unlike what some may have you to believe. So who is really separated from reality, when you are the head of some major corporation making a million dollar salary? It's more likely that a poorer people know other struggling to get by without healthcare, for example. I see the concept of of 'real job', being used by some to mean that poorer people, are not significant. I have seen it thrown about that they are just drains on society, etc. Politicians are more likely to care about the general good. One man, one vote, is really an equalizer in the political process.

But anyway, those who have lives in politics are bombarded by requests from everyone, the poor, to business and the most wealthy about their needs. It's false to believe that someone in office is out of touch with reality. Sometime they are privy to information that the general public does not know. Its just coming to light that the financial bailout was really about saving the collapse fo the credit card industry. It appeared that they were just helping the wealthy, but the collapse of a major portion of the credit card industry, would have effected many in the general public, if not everyone. So I say that Obama has no real job experience is false, just becuase he has not been owned by a major corporation.

[hippifried]

Amsterdamage,

I'm not participating in the general discussion in this thread because the question in the poll is bogus. But you made a claim, off topic enough to catch my attention, that you have yet to show any evidence for. It's not the first time. There's nothing for me to research because it's not my claim to prove, & to tell the truth, this just sounds like a talking point from the Republican party or some radio monolog shrieker. At least give me a source. This "inexperience" mantra was a major part of the 2008 Republican campaign.

The reality is that the government isn't a business & can't be run as one. There's nothing that prepares anybody for working in the Whitehouse, at any level, except working there. Being President of the United States of America is unlike any other job that anyone could ever have.

[Amsterdamage]

The reality is that the government isn't a business & can't be run as one.

Now there u have a good point. And i totally agree with u. Unfortunately, it IS (or at least being tried to be) run as a business. And it is big business. And that's where and why it goes wrong.
By the way this counts for any government...republican, democrat, tree huggers, whatever. Hey i'm not even American, i just spot the scams and hate on them :D so i don't know where u get the idea from that i have a 'Republican' standpoint. But maybe i do on some subjects and don't on others. For instance i consider Bush and Clinton as equally evil people. Hell they even share a bank account!
Nah I don't really identify myself with a particular political colour or preference (although i do believe that someone like Ron Paul would make a great president, because he seems the most honest and down to earth of the whole bunch).
To me it's just a label, and to be honest i believe that the reps and dems have the same agenda in the end anyway, the only 'struggle' they're dealing with is who gets the best seats.

But seriously, i would love to start a drinking club or something with u guys for topics like these because i simply don't have the time (or priority, or energy) to type everything i'd like to say in response to these subjects on a place like a forum. There's simply too much to talk about and too much to explain/backup if you want to prove every statement u make.

Enough about me, let's get back to the initial post: I believe the poor fucker (Obama) was meant to fail to begin with. I like the guy, what's there not to like about him? I wouldn't even care if he turns out to be an in Kenya born practising muslim with a gay-curious history and a wife who walks over him. I don't believe that particularly affects anyone's ability or good intentions to run a country. But he's not a president. He's not a boss. He's a (great) marketing machine, a salesman, a host, an entertainer, a puppet, a shill. I don't believe he has any real power. Yes he lied, of course he lied, he's the frikkin president. Plus he doesn't always have a choice. He wants to do something, announces it, and then does the opposite because someone with more power (CIA, big pharma, JP Morgan, the high speed rail lobby, etc) tells him to, and then people get angry because he had 'lied' about it.

Oh and African, i respect your opinions too and sometimes we even agree, but i gotta say, i see quite a few bogus 'accomplishments' in that list, sorry!

[onmyknees]

There's been some interesting, insightful things said here regardless of weather I concur. Historians will spend decades trying to figure out where it all went so wrong for Obama. One can make this as complicated as one chooses, but Carvelle had it right on 2 separate instances. "It's the economy Stupid" . The fact of the matter is if the economy was chugging along and unemployment was 4-5% chances are Americans wouldn't be nearly so critical of the liberal agenda. A man without a job is a dangerous animal, and in the proceeding 2 years, Obama has showed little ability to feel one's pain, and impotent to do anything about it. He pissed away a year on health care while millions of Americans lost their jobs. The fact that they became unemployed may not be his fault, but it sure the hell is his problem! His polices have yet to show any tangible results. Period. He is extremely unpopular with businesses big and small. That's not my opinion...but rather a fact.
The second nail that Carvelle hit squarely on the head was his frustrated rant about the oil spill. Remember this.."you got to do something man, we're dying down here". Again in a crisis Obama appeared detached and aloof. It was weeks before he even issued a statement about the crisis. Save all the articles and research you will no doubt try to counter that with...perception is reality. And he was perceived as detached and powerless and almost disinterested. It's hard to stop a bullet once it's left the muzzle, and it's hard to change the perception once it's out there. Much of the criticism is probably well deserved, but not all of it. I remember when the shit started piling on Bush and he seemed powerless to combat it, and the media moved in for the final kill rendering him damn near incapable of anything.....well my progressive friends, in politics...turnabout is fair play. I feel your pain because I've too experienced it. Suck it up and deal with it and stop seeking scapegoats .

[yodajazz]

There's been some interesting, insightful things said here regardless of weather I concur. Historians will spend decades trying to figure out where it all went so wrong for Obama. One can make this as complicated as one chooses, but Carvelle had it right on 2 separate instances. "It's the economy Stupid" . The fact of the matter is if the economy was chugging along and unemployment was 4-5% chances are Americans wouldn't be nearly so critical of the liberal agenda. A man without a job is a dangerous animal, and in the proceeding 2 years, Obama has showed little ability to feel one's pain, and impotent to do anything about it. He pissed away a year on health care while millions of Americans lost their jobs. The fact that they became unemployed may not be his fault, but it sure the hell is his problem! His polices have yet to show any tangible results. Period. He is extremely unpopular with businesses big and small. That's not my opinion...but rather a fact.
The second nail that Carvelle hit squarely on the head was his frustrated rant about the oil spill. Remember this.."you got to do something man, we're dying down here". Again in a crisis Obama appeared detached and aloof. It was weeks before he even issued a statement about the crisis. Save all the articles and research you will no doubt try to counter that with...perception is reality. And he was perceived as detached and powerless and almost disinterested. It's hard to stop a bullet once it's left the muzzle, and it's hard to change the perception once it's out there. Much of the criticism is probably well deserved, but not all of it. I remember when the shit started piling on Bush and he seemed powerless to combat it, and the media moved in for the final kill rendering him damn near incapable of anything.....well my progressive friends, in politics...turnabout is fair play. I feel your pain because I've too experienced it. Suck it up and deal with it and stop seeking scapegoats .


I see things a lot different than you. Obama cant feel anyone's pain? What about givng healthcare to 20 million new people? That is literally about feeling pain. You say it was wasted time, but I know of people who have been helped already. Namely college age people who are able to get coverage long now. You say he did nothing about jobs, what about the stimulus bill? The financial regulation bill affected me directly, by limiting the amount of bank fees. My family had been hit particularly hard in the past, with multiple family members using the same account. And I recall Obama talking about the oil spill. I also followed it in the news, and it was mostly about the efforts of BP to control the spill. How could the adminstration make any major decision until it was capped enough to asess total damages.

I think that Obama has been a victim of the greatest hate machine. Like I ask in another thread, what other president has been accused of hating America. That's absolute nonsense, but I have seen it written numerous times in news article responses. I fundementally agreed with many actions of the Bush adminstration, but I never once thought that he hated America.

I will say that Obama thought that both parties would work together at times for the good of the nation. But it seems that time is past. There was a time that a major media person, could not have remained on the air, with the goal of hoping the US would fail. But these days is legitimate and accepted career choice, to promote disrespect and hatred for our government, fellow citizens, and democratic principles. And the ironic thing is so many people claim to believe and want "Christian values".

[Amsterdamage]

What about givng healthcare to 20 million new people? That is literally about feeling pain.

HAHAHAHA what?! wake up. the healthcare bill is only about one thing: $$$$ for insurance companies and pharma. that it MIGHT be able to help some people is nothing but a welcome bonus.

[Taskmaster]

Damn, my first post here on HungAngels and I had to go political...LOL!

First of all your poll isn't really a poll at all as your polling options are all skewed to the right and offer no alternative for those of opposing views.

It's plain too see that the obstructionist Rebublican party has done all they can to cause Obamas agenda to fail. Where as Bush had a group of spineless Democrats that along with his Republican Congress rubber stamped one bad policy after another which is how we got so deep in this mess in the first place.

Anyway, the real issue here is if you can't construct a poll properly then you're really just....:jerkoff