Have you ever....

[cheribaum]

made an appointment w/ a TS or GG escort and then not show? Please tell me why this sometimes happens? I know the occassional "cold feet" happens or the wife called but why do some guys do it with no intention of showing....

I made this post cuz I posted a different post that had already been touched several times... I wish there was an option to delete the complete post rather than just edit. :P

www.cheri-baum.com

[Bato]

I've never had the pleasure of an escorting section, but I have called once and copped out at the last minute. I was *!&@^$@**!&% myself and got extremely horny, I thought why not call up an escort and continue the fun, she told me to come over at....well whenever she did I can't remember it was a few months ago, a couple hours lets say. After I finished up with myself, I started to think about the appointment and then started to think about the implications. No offence to the women here who escort but there is to big a risk of STI/STD's, and for one hour of fun (costing upwards of $200) it's not really worth it. I didn't show up on those grounds, I figure a lifetime of masturbation is better than 40 years of my life gone b/c of one hour w/ an escort.

[BeardedOne]

made an appointment w/ a TS or GG escort and then not show? Please tell me why this sometimes happens? I know the occassional "cold feet" happens or the wife called but why do some guys do it with no intention of showing....

Nope. Not ever. Never. If something came up (Car trouble, traffic, the 'pop-in' - Don'tcha hate the 'pop-in'? - act o' gawd, etc.), I have the courtesy and common sense to call and cancel. I even irked the shit out of one girl, calling a couple of times on the way to let her know I'd hit a bottleneck on the highway and to not give my time away (I don't think she'd do so now, as we have enough history that she knows I'll show, but she's the type to 'layer' appointments to cover a no-show).

My visits aren't so impromptu, though. To date I've known when/where at least a couple of days in advance and always do a confirmation call or email when I'm on my way (In case the girl is having an act of gawd incident and needs to change the time).

If a guy's gonna harp out on an appointment, for whatever reason, he should at least have the cajones to call and let the girl know. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time someone's cancelled out and it surely won't be the last. They might even thank you for having the consideration to call.

'Course, they might call you some goofy name that you last heard on a grade school playground, too. But hey, that's life.

My vote is that they don't cancel because they're just too lazy to pick up the phone when there's no clear 'reward' in doing so. Courtesy died in the same car wreck as gallantry, don'tchaknow.

[flabbybody]

would you simply not show up for an appointment with your dentist? I don't think so.

If you call a ts escort (who has to get ready and maybe turn down another date), and then not show, you are a total piece of shit.

people suck. that's the answer to your question cheribaum.

[BOATER]

Very good question Cherri. I have been asks thia question by GG and TS friends many times. At first I did not have an answer, beside "cold feet". The nervous caller will most likely not show especailly if not made feel comfortable in call.
In the past I have worked security for a few agencies ( the former Julies of NYC) and have spoke to a few men about this. I have also since look at the resources at hand to men.
So you have a man that is extremely horny and sees ad via Eros. Pick 2 or 3 girls that makes him hard. He'll probably will call all 3. Call it window shopping. I guarantee manygirl if they go on tour together have gotten calls from same guys in a matter of a few minutes.
How the person answers determines alot. But location is more important. And now with review site that is also important.
And while while browsing he is rubbing it out. And if he pops before he is set to go, the need is gone and he will bail. It's like a guilty pleasure for some guys. I have heard too many guys, say they'd be better off staying home and jerking off that throwing 2-300 down the trash.
We know it's annoying, especially when traveling, you get so many calls and maybe 1 of 4 show. But I told a girl something that would keep me more interested in making sure I make an appointment is that initial contact. Too buisness like and guy is more likely to bail. I told her sounding a bit enthused without over doing it might do wonders.
Just a like oh hi how are you, (even if you don't care) and throwing in something like I just got out of the shower or I just did my nails, really works.
Nothing is full proof. And many guys will be cheap dick regardless.
Your pictures look great by the way.
I would imagine, for yourself, you would have estalished a fan base. That have jerked off to your pic's enough and would love to meet you for real.

[Ecstatic]

No, I never have and never would. One time a couple of years ago I made email contact with a girl to prearrange a meeting 2 days later (tentatively, with the customary request and expectation that I'd call her that day to confirm), then had to email her the next day to tell her I wouldn't be able to make after all due to an unforeseen crisis at work. That was well over 24 hours notice on a merely tentative appointment, but she was horrifically pissed and told me never to contact her again. Excuse me! I thought I was doing the polite thing by contacting her in advance to cancel a tentative appointment; it's not like I simply didn't show.

On the flip side, it's irksome as the client to have girls "layer" their appointments as BeardedOne puts it, which is a big reason I tend to see only the same 2-3 girls that I know and have a history with. I know sometimes things come up, and I'll work with a girl if that happens, but courtesy is a two-way street, isn't it?

[slinky]

Yes, I did it once.

I set up an incall appointment for a girl out in Astoria for 6PM and yold her I'd be taking the subway out from Manhattan. She gave me the subway stop to get out on and told me to call when I got there. I got there at 5:50PM and called. Got voicemail. Left message that i was there and left my cell number. Called at 6:10 and got voicemail, left another mesage. Called at 6:30 and got voice mail and said I'd wait around for another 5 minutes. At 6:50PM I was back on the subway when she called expecting me to still be there, and I told her that I was already headed back (note: yeah I got cellphone receptiopn on the subway because the subway to Astoria isn't a "sub way"). She was "OK, see you next time" (no appology, etc.).

(Note: It's pretty obvious that she booked anyone who called and gave the slot to whomever showed up first, and "fuck the other guys").

Next day I call her again and set up an appointment for 3PM. Basically the same thing happens, except this time no call back period, even the last time.

A week later I borrow a friend's throw away cellphone and make a 4 hour outcall appointment to a midtown hotel. You should have heard the manvoice that left the angry message about "coutesy"etc.

Getting stood up on the girl's side and double booking go hand in hand. Unfotunately, most of the time what happens is the innocent on both sides get the agenr which should have been directed at the offending parties: in other words, some guys no show because they have had simialr experinces to the one I've had above, and most of teh times girls double book because they get stood up a lot. Niether is "right" and each beget the other.

On another note, what happens with a lot of guys (especially newbies) is that they get cold feeet for a number of reasons, and then are too embarrassed to make the cancelling call. Too many times guys get all excited so they jerk off, and then the urge to go thru with the session passes. Other guys set up appointments with no intention of ever following thru. That's the biggest downside of Eros - the majority of Eros users never in their lives actually see an escort, but they use it as a free porn site. Some go the extra step and call the girls and use it as a free phone sex site. Part of that phone sex has to be setting up and appointment or the girl figures out what's going on and ends the call. But if they don't figure it out, it rarely end in an "actual sale" (i.e. the guy always no shows).

On thing which almost no one in the business acknowleges is that the first appointment is a huge risk in many ways, and prices accordingly. Every acknowledges that part of the "high price" that escorts charge is the risk factor: the risk of the trick being LE, the risk of no show, the risk that the guys is unbearable, the risk of getting beat up/ripped off, etc. But if part of the price is for those risks, why isn't the "return price" (i.e. subsequent visits) substantially less? You pretty much totally eliminate the LE risk; the "guy being unbearable" (looks wise: he's 900 pounds and hasn't showered in 3 months, etc) is likewise eliminated, the risk of no showing is substantially reduced; the chances of gettin gbeat up and ripped off are less (but not zero).

But almost no one reduces the price (which was set to include those risk factor for the first appointments). The almost universal retort/though is "well since that's wht the market will bear, why should I reduce it?". And then they think it's a totally separate matter that "guys only ever see a escort once anyway; they only want variety", Well, that's not the truth. I can tell you from first hand experience that when guys get good sessions, they come back over and over again, and when "good cutomer discounts" are given, they almost universally work.

An example of this is what happens when girls raise their prices, but "granfather in" their old customers. They get only a few customers at the higher new price, but since they get any, the decide "see, I'm worth the new price otherwise no one work see me". But the guys who see them at the new price see them once and never again. meanwhile, the older customers at teh old price are seing her all teh time. But in this business, few seem to add 2 and 2 and get 4.

PS Boater knows what he's talking about.

[slinky]

PS To Cheri,

Did you write all of the copy on your site, or was it your WM? I ask because there's an item or two that might offend some folks.

[BeardedOne]

On the flip side, it's irksome as the client to have girls "layer" their appointments as BeardedOne puts it, which is a big reason I tend to see only the same 2-3 girls that I know and have a history with. I know sometimes things come up, and I'll work with a girl if that happens, but courtesy is a two-way street, isn't it?

I've seen this girl three times so far and we seem to be fine-tuning our time together as we get to know each other and she sees what I'm really looking for/expecting in our encounters.

Our first time together we had some issues over price and her cell phone. She was honest and fair about the confusion in price and in return I let it slide that she kept taking calls while we were together (Though I did talk to her about it as I felt it was a bit unprofessional, not to mention rude). The next time we were together, I politely but firmly requested that the phone be silenced while I was there. Though she feigned dismay, she complied and a splendid time was had. Our third time, with price no longer a question and the phone issue already dealt with previously, our time went smoothly and pleasantly.

During our most recent time together we chatted about some things business and I asked about things like no-shows, layered appointments, etc. My only remaining concern about our sessions is the bum's rush I get when the 'bell' goes 'ding' and she's on the cell giving last minute directions to the next client. Much of this is from her mild disbelief that I might want to spend more time with her, even if I've 'gotten my nut' already. The rest is ingrained procedure to eliminate or cover for potential no-shows. If the guy's in the lobby already, getting him into the elevator isn't too hard, and if he knocks on the door she can always tackle him in the hall if he gets cold feet there.

There's an image. :lol: I can just see her doing that. :shock:

Anyway....I'm rambling....But while I'm irked by the back-to-back appointments and the phone juggling, I can see where it comes from. As for myself, I think we're at a point where she knows I'm good for the time and $$ and we may get over that last hurdle yet. 8)

[Ecstatic]

On thing which almost no one in the business acknowleges is that the first appointment is a huge risk in many ways, and prices accordingly. Every acknowledges that part of the "high price" that escorts charge is the risk factor: the risk of the trick being LE, the risk of no show, the risk that the guys is unbearable, the risk of getting beat up/ripped off, etc. But if part of the price is for those risks, why isn't the "return price" (i.e. subsequent visits) substantially less? You pretty much totally eliminate the LE risk; the "guy being unbearable" (looks wise: he's 900 pounds and hasn't showered in 3 months, etc) is likewise eliminated, the risk of no showing is substantially reduced; the chances of gettin gbeat up and ripped off are less (but not zero).

But almost no one reduces the price (which was set to include those risk factor for the first appointments). The almost universal retort/though is "well since that's wht the market will bear, why should I reduce it?". And then they think it's a totally separate matter that "guys only ever see a escort once anyway; they only want variety", Well, that's not the truth. I can tell you from first hand experience that when guys get good sessions, they come back over and over again, and when "good cutomer discounts" are given, they almost universally work.
Good point. I have never had a girl reduce her rate, no matter how well I know her (and there are a couple of girls I've come to know very well indeed). It's their economic mindset: they are going to get X dollars for the session, and that's the base. No bargains or word might get out (guys post reviews after all) and then everyone is haggling looking for a better rate. But what has happened for me is, as we get to know one another, the quality of the session builds with repeat visits, and very often we'll go way over the hour--sometimes 2 to 3 hours or more if she hasn't booked someone else afterwards. We'll hang out for a long time in her apartment, or go to dinner, or whatever. I prefer this sort of treatment to getting say 50 bucks knocked off the price.


An example of this is what happens when girls raise their prices, but "granfather in" their old customers. They get only a few customers at the higher new price, but since they get any, the decide "see, I'm worth the new price otherwise no one work see me". But the guys who see them at the new price see them once and never again. meanwhile, the older customers at teh old price are seing her all teh time. But in this business, few seem to add 2 and 2 and get 4.
I don't know about not getting repeat customers or many new customers at the new rate, but I have had girls "grandfather" me in at their old rate. That much seems to be good business.

[kennbo]

I've never stood anyone up. I usually try contacting the escort via e-mail and hope to engage in a bit of cyber banter to take the edge off and make us both comfortable before making an appointment. If I get the sense from the e-mail that something isn't clicking I just politely back off, if everything is cool I book an appointment. Once I had the opposite of your scenario occur. I was psyched to see a visiting escort and made the initial contact. I like to confirm a mutually convenient time and I expect, once agreed upon it will be honored. In this case I spoke with the escort the night prior to the meeting and suggested I be her first appointment of the day, whatever time was good for her to be up and ready. She said o.k. and said call at 11:00am. The next day I called at 11:00,11:10,11:15...then every half hour till 1:00p.m., no answer, no call back, nada. It happens on both ends of the equation. I suspect your question was more about a very small number of guys who do this consistently. I would guess they're probably exhibiting a psychpathology similar to guys who make obscene phone calls, or do the heavy breathing thing. The call and making the appointment is the peak of their sexual outlet, they have no intention of having actual sex with an escort. There are probably control issues at work here, where the guy feels a sense of power and control over the escort because he has succeded in wasting an hour of her valuable(300/hr) time by doing nothing more than making a phone call. He feels, in this fantasy, that he has power which in reality he would lack, face to face.