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Ben
11-07-2010, 04:46 AM
America Is Now Officially for Sale

It's the Tea Party spirit distilled: pose as the champion of Joe America, while actually ripping him off

by Johann Hari
The laws and policies of the legislature of the United States of America are now effectively on e-Bay, for sale to the highest bidder. Are you a Wall Street boss who wants to party like it's 2007? Are you a Big Coal baron who wants to burn, baby, burn? Are you an insurance company that wants to be able to kick sick people off your rolls? Meet John Boehner, the most powerful Republican and soon-to-be Speaker of the House. But - of course! - you already have.Here's an example of how you have worked together. In 1995, the House was going to finally repeal subsidies for growing tobacco, because an addictive cancer-causing drug didn't seem like the most deserving recipient of tax-payers' cash - until Boehner walked the floor of the House handing out checks from tobacco lobbyists to his fellow elected representatives. They changed their minds. The subsidy stayed. Explaining his check-dispensing, Boehner says: "It's gone on here for a long time." So get your bids in: the House is open for business.
To understand what has happened in the mid-term elections, the best guide lies in an unexpected place - the dusty vaults of Hollywood. In 1957, Elia Kazan directed a film called ‘A Face In The Crowd' that read the tea-leaves of the Tea Party back when Sarah Palin was merely a frosty zygote. One morning a poor wandering Arkansas chancer named Larry ‘Lonesome' Rhodes is lying passed out on a jail cell where the local sheriff has detained him overnight. A pretty young radio producer arrives and asks if he'd like to tell her a story to be played on her show where ordinary folks speak to ordinary folks. He sings and rambles and offers corn-poke homilies. The clip is a huge hit - and he is soon given his own show, filled with country music and country wisdom which then shoots off into the stratosphere.
When Lonesome Rhodes becomes one of the biggest stars on US television, he starts receiving offers. Advertisers say that if he endorses their lousy products, they'll shower him with millions. He knows how to sell to ordinary people - and he is pushed to go further. They ask him to sell the political causes that will make them richer too. He starts railing against social security and the old age pension and anything that taxes the rich to help the rest. He uses the tunes and slanguage of working class Americans to get them to emotionally identify with the people who are screwing them over. He's brilliant at it - a gurning hyperactive huckster, saying that support and security for ordinary Americans is a betrayal of America. He makes himself rich by lying to the people he came from.
Fast-forward to 2010. John Boehner came from a poor family of twelve children, and heroically worked three jobs (including as a janitor) to put himself through business school. But when he got to elected office, it turned out that there was alot more money to be reaped from serving the interests of rich people than serving the people he came from. He took money from the insurance companies, and voted to deny healthcare coverage to sick children and to the people who hurried to the World Trade Centre on 9/11 to try to dig people from the wreckage, exposing them to deadly toxins. He took money from defense contractors, and supported every war going. He tirelessly champions the overdog, while hoovering up their cash and flying on their private jets to some of the most luxury resorts in the world.
In the campaign, Boehner said his priority was to "stand up for ordinary Americans" against "the elite", and to "cut the deficit as a matter of urgency." So what has been his first priority as Speaker? To fight furiously to keep the gigantic Bush tax cuts for the elite richest two percent of Americans, even though this alone will add two trillion dollars to the deficit over the next decade. It's very revealing. He immediately dumps on his propaganda causes - ordinary Americans, and the deficit - while slavishly serving his one true cause: serving the interests of rich people like the ones who happen to pay for his campaigns and his jaunts.
This is the story of the modern Republican Party. They use the cultural signifiers of the good people of Middle America to get their emotional identification, meanwhile they pillage Middle America and redistribute its wealth to the rich. Sarah Palin is the queen of this cause. She presents herself as a warrior for hockey moms and Momma Grizzlies, while spreading fictions to stop those very people supporting social programs that could save their lives: remember her claim that Obama's healthcare plan involved setting up "death panels" to execute the old and disabled? Her true slogan is Shill, Baby, Shill.
This is all made easy for Republicans by the fact that most of the Democratic Party slithers in the same trough of corruption, begging from the same billionaires and corporations, and so can deliver only a tiny notch more for ordinary Americans. This makes left-liberal ideas look discredited, when in truth they are largely discarded. To name just one: the very high unemployment in the US has been presented by Republicans as proof that economic stimulus doesn't work. But in reality, Obama's stimulus was appallingly small, and was counter-balanced by the fact that the individual states were slashing spending and laying people off. Once you add the two together, there has been no net stimulus in the US economy at all.
The essence of the Tea Party - and the relevance of ‘A Face In The Crowd' - can be seen most plainly in Glenn Beck. Just over a decade ago, he was a drug-taking, pro-abortion, perpetually drunk DJ on morning radio. One of his famous "pranks" was to ring up the wife of a radio-show rival a few days after she had a miscarriage and taunt her about her loss. But then he stumbled into political commentary. After 9/11, Beck began to articulate a blubbery, blubbering hysteria, calling for the shooting of Michael Moore and the poisoning of Nancy Pelosi. He announced that any government program helping ordinary Americans was a step towards "communism", and prophesied: "The country may not survive Barack Obama? If he does fundamentally transform America, we're done. You don't have to worry about a 2012." He shot up to be the second highest rated show in cable news, and assembled hundreds of thousands to a rally on the Mall. At times seems quite conscious of the manipulation: "They're getting so tired of me saying there's a Marxist in the White House, I gotta take it up a notch," he reportedly said to one private audience.
But a few years ago, he began to do something stranger still. He announced that the US was going to experience hyperinflation and savings would be rendered worthless - so his viewers should transfer their cash into gold. But not just any gold. No: Obama was probably going to seize gold bullion and nationalize it, he warned, so they should buy gold coins. "I think people are running out of options on what, you know, could be worth something at all. You have to think like a German Jew, 1934," he said.
Meanwhile, Beck's program on Fox News is sponsored by a company called Goldline that sells gold coins. As it turned out there is no hyperinflation and no Obama plan to seize bullion. Yet Beck's claims - and constant praise for Goldline - have made him and the company considerably richer. The only people who are worse off are Beck's viewers: the investigative journalist Dana Milbank looked at 2008 and calculated that they would have seen a higher return if they had kept their money in cash than in golden coins. A court in Missouri ruled a few years ago that Goldline pressured a woman in her eighties to invest $230,000 in gold coins actually worth half that sum. The Securities and Exchanges Commission are investigating the company, and Senator Anthony Weiner says Beck and other on-air promoters "are either the worst financial advisors around or knowingly lying to their loyal viewers." It's the Tea Party spirit distilled: pose as the champion of Joe America, while ripping him off.
There is, however, one significant difference from ‘A Face In The Crowd'. At the end of the film - spoiler alert - Lonesome Rhodes is finishing a show and, as the end credits roll and the music swells, he rants against his viewers, believing they can't hear him. But in the control box, a producer deliberately flips a switch. Suddenly millions hear him say: "Those morons out there. I'd give ‘em dog food and make ‘em think it's steak. Good night you stupid idiots. Good night you miserable slobs. They're like a bunch of trained seals - I toss ‘em a fish and they lap it up." John Boehner and Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are ridiculing their followers just as crudely. Can't somebody at Fox flip the switch?
© 2010 The Independent
Johann Hari is a columnist for the London Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/). He has reported from Iraq, Israel/Palestine, the Congo, the Central African Republic, Venezuela, Peru and the US, and his journalism has appeared in publications all over the world.

PomonaCA
11-07-2010, 06:25 AM
Another class-warfare article

south ov da border
11-09-2010, 05:33 PM
Both parties are guilty...

iamdrgonzo
11-09-2010, 06:08 PM
Both parties are guilty...

So right you are both parties are guilty of treason.

The death of the US constitutional representative republic began in 1913 when congress passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 followed by the Income Tax Act of 1913.

What these acts allowed was for the creation of a private central banking system, the Federal Reserve, which took the power of printing currency, paper notes, away from the US Treasury and placed it in the hands of an internation cabal of bankers. The Income Tax Act of 1913 allowed for the payment of interest on the debit created when the Federal Reserve prints the fiat currency out of thin air.

Then of course we can look to Harry S. Truman and his signing of the National Security Act of 1947 which placed the US on a permanent war footing allowing for the creation and expansion of an overseas military empire under the guise of fighting communism or the Cold War.

Please click link to view The Secret of Oz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM

The Secret of Oz won best documentary of 2010 at the Beloit International Film Festival. It won the Silver Sierra Award for Excellence in Filmmaking at the Yosemite Film Festival. It won the Award of Merit at The Accolade Competition in La Jolla, California. It won the Silver Screen Award at the Nevada Film Festival. It's received an excellent review on Nathan's Economic Edge, one of the world's top economics blogs. It's British premier was at the prestigious Bromsgrove conference on Oct. 1. What's going on with the world's economy? Foreclosures are everywhere, unemployment is skyrocketing - and this may only be the beginning. Could it be that solutions to the world's economic problems could have been embedded in the most beloved children's story of all time, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"? The yellow brick, the emerald city of Oz, even Dorothy's silver slippers (changed to ruby slippers for the movie version) were powerful symbols of author L. Frank Baum's belief that the people - not the big banks -- should control the quantity of a nation's money. The bottom line: No More National Debt. All our money is created out of debt. But nations don't have to borrow money from banks. Sovereign nations can create their own money -- debt free -- just as Abraham Lincoln did.

hippifried
11-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Welcome to the hyperbole thread. Birch it up.

iamdrgonzo
11-09-2010, 06:54 PM
Welcome to the hyperbole thread. Birch it up.

Rhetoric?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country" ~ Edward Bernays, 1928

south ov da border
11-10-2010, 07:24 PM
speaking of sale, bye bye credit rating

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11/09/chinese-credit-rater-downgrades-us/

Let's see how this ends up...

hippifried
11-10-2010, 08:02 PM
Rhetoric?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country" ~ Edward Bernays, 1928
I believe the word I used was hyperbole.

Looking at all this doom & gloom propaganda that constantly spews from all around the fringes of the political sphere, Bernays may have a point. However, I don't think anybody's in control of any of it. That's just more of his propaganda.

iamdrgonzo
11-11-2010, 02:00 AM
I believe the word I used was hyperbole.

Hyperbole and rhetoric are synonyms.


Looking at all this doom & gloom propaganda that constantly spews from all around the fringes of the political sphere, Bernays may have a point. However, I don't think anybody's in control of any of it. That's just more of his propaganda.


Edward Bernays is the great-grandfather father of modern public relations which is synonymous with propaganda.

Check out his bio on wiki:

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trish
11-11-2010, 02:52 AM
Hyperbole: The ancient art of using language effectively and persuasively. The subject is subdivided into logos (the art of logical reasoning), pathos (the art of balancing objective distance with empathy) and ethos (the art of arguing within the confines of moral custom).

Rhetoric: A figure of speech characterized by ridiculous exaggeration.

MMMMmmm thereth thomthin' thcewy here.

iamdrgonzo
11-11-2010, 03:56 AM
Hyperbole: The ancient art of using language effectively and persuasively. The subject is subdivided into logos (the art of logical reasoning), pathos (the art of balancing objective distance with empathy) and ethos (the art of arguing within the confines of moral custom).

Rhetoric: A figure of speech characterized by ridiculous exaggeration.

MMMMmmm thereth thomthin' thcewy here.


Nothing screwy cause you know sometimes words have two meanings (I think there could be a song in there).


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetoric

Rhetoric

rhet·o·ric   /ˈrɛtərɪk/ Show Spelled
[ret-er-ik] Show IPA

–noun
1. (in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.
2. the art or science of all specialized literary uses of language in prose or verse, including the figures of speech.
3. the study of the effective use of language.
4. the ability to use language effectively.
5. the art of prose in general as opposed to verse.
6. the art of making persuasive speeches; oratory.
7. (in classical oratory) the art of influencing the thought and conduct of an audience.
8. (in older use) a work on rhetoric.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

Hyperbole

hy·per·bo·le   /haɪˈpɜrbəli/ Show Spelled
[hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA

–noun Rhetoric .
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

Ben
11-11-2010, 05:01 AM
Another class-warfare article

As Warren Buffett said: There is a class war and my class is winning.
And Warren wants higher taxes on the rich.... Wow!!!!

YouTube - Warren Buffett's Tax Rate is Lower than His Secretary's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s)

Ben
11-11-2010, 05:08 AM
YouTube - TAXES: Warren Buffett - Rich Taxed Too Little, Poor Too Much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLD0p1QpcI8)

hippifried
11-11-2010, 08:32 AM
Yeah whatever. Rhetoric can be subtle. Hyperbole never is. Regardless, you get my drift. This is exactly why there's such a low rate of actual involvement in the affairs of the society at any level. All the shrieking is a turnoff, irrespective of what angle it's coming from. Nobody likes being lied to or having their intelligence insulted. Propaganda really only works if it's one-sided. Most people, when bombarded by conflicting propaganda, just hit the off switch.

I miss journalism. Most young people have never seen any. The half baked ideological punditry & constant bearing of false witness grows wearisome. The social dialog has been reduced to childish name calling. I see no end to this rancor, & it all sounds the same. I love a good argument, but none of this rises to the level of argument at all. Argument requires ideas to argue over. I'm not seeing any. Just complaints with no solutions at all.

iamdrgonzo
11-11-2010, 04:35 PM
Propaganda really only works if it's one-sided. Most people, when bombarded by conflicting propaganda, just hit the off switch.

I don't agree, the propaganda disseminated in the US through the mass media is anything but conflicting, it all works to on end, which is to continue to consolidate power/wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many.

Just a cursory examination of "legisation" rubber stamped through congress these last nine years clearly shows both parties working toward the same ends which entails maitaining the hierarchy status quo.

Most people, when confronted with the big lie are simply too lazy to sort the chaff from the wheat and swallow the lie hook line and sinker. How else could you explain perpetual war based upon lies or the use of torture or the fleecing of trillions of dollars from folks in the US or the indiscriminate bombing of civilians?


Just complaints with no solutions at all.

There are many solutions to the myriad of problems effecting the US the only problem with the solutions is that many would consider the means unpalatable do to the fact that solutions would require sacrifice and most Americans today are unwilling to sacrifice their creature comforts for liberty.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. ~ Samuel Adams

iamdrgonzo
11-11-2010, 04:40 PM
As Warren Buffett said: There is a class war and my class is winning.
And Warren wants higher taxes on the rich.... Wow!!!!


Earnings from labor are taxed at between 25% - 35% while earnings from investment (dividends) are taxed at 15%?

Sounds totally reasonable if your a hedge fund manager.

hippifried
11-12-2010, 02:07 AM
Yeah yeah yeah... Everybody's in on the grand conspiracy, & all the people are simply ignorant because they don't buy into your conspiracy theory. Sorry, but that just sounds to me like your own conspiratorial propaganda ain't workin'. Has it occurred to you that just maybe your explanation of why it ain't workin' could be erroneous? Perhaps if it was just a little bit believable...

I think everybody can agree that corruption exists. It needs to be weeded out. You can't do that though if you automatically point an accusing finger at everybody in a position of authority. That makes it impossible to discern who the crooks are. If it's your position that the position of authority automatically makes someone a crook, then there's no reason to bother trying to do anything about it because everybody's a crook to start with. That would make you the perfect enabler & crook's best friend because you give them cover in the anonymity of the herd. Whether that's your position or not, it's what you're projecting.

So, uh... What solutions? What makes you think that major "sacrifice" is necessary to solve problems? Isn't that the same mindset you're complaining about? Personally, I refuse to discount the win-win scenario. I don't buy the idea that the only way to get anything is to take it from somebody else. I don't see shortages, just distribution flaws. I see instability as a structural problem. I don't see malicious intent in every idea or attempt to address the various problems we face. So... Got any solutions to anything that would be worth taking my precious time to look at?


Earnings from labor are taxed at between 25% - 35% while earnings from investment (dividends) are taxed at 15%?
This interim co-chairmen's report that was released by the deficit commission yesterday acually addresses this. The proposed package that cuts taxes across the board includes removing the differential between income & capital gains. That's huge. I imagine the supply siders would love to sweep this under the rug & hope it disappears. Steve Forbes & Larry Kudlow are probably both a couple of systolic points from stroking out just thinking about it.

iamdrgonzo
11-12-2010, 09:20 PM
Yeah yeah yeah... Everybody's in on the grand conspiracy, & all the people are simply ignorant because they don't buy into your conspiracy theory. Sorry, but that just sounds to me like your own conspiratorial propaganda ain't workin'. Has it occurred to you that just maybe your explanation of why it ain't workin' could be erroneous? Perhaps if it was just a little bit believable...

You try and make conspiracy read like a bad book. The simple text book definition of conspiracy is:

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

What I typed about the Federal Reserve is Fact. Fact that is easily vetted.

Fact since the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913 the dollar has lost 95% of it's purchasing power.

From Wiki:

The table to the right shows the equivalent amount of goods that, in a particular year, could be purchased with $1. The table shows that from 1774 through 2009 the U.S. dollar has lost about 96.4% of its buying power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#cite_note-measuring-worth-42



I think everybody can agree that corruption exists. It needs to be weeded out. You can't do that though if you automatically point an accusing finger at everybody in a position of authority. That makes it impossible to discern who the crooks are. If it's your position that the position of authority automatically makes someone a crook, then there's no reason to bother trying to do anything about it because everybody's a crook to start with. That would make you the perfect enabler & crook's best friend because you give them cover in the anonymity of the herd. Whether that's your position or not, it's what you're projecting.


No ones pointing any fingers the malfeasance is done in broad day light for all to see. As for your term "position of authority" these people in government are elected to represent our collective interests not to be in positions authority. The power to govern is derived from the consent of the governed the hoi polloi. Evidently you are not familiar with a gentleman by name of Lord Acton who had this worderful quote:

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ~ Lord Acton


So, uh... What solutions? What makes you think that major "sacrifice" is necessary to solve problems? Isn't that the same mindset you're complaining about? Personally, I refuse to discount the win-win scenario. I don't buy the idea that the only way to get anything is to take it from somebody else. I don't see shortages, just distribution flaws. I see instability as a structural problem. I don't see malicious intent in every idea or attempt to address the various problems we face. So... Got any solutions to anything that would be worth taking my precious time to look at?


Are you kidding? Sacrifice isn't nessecary to solve this nations problems? Win-win scenarios are otherwise known as fantasy. Here is another famous quote you must not be familiar with:

"Let them eat cake" ~ Jean-Jacques Rousseau

The only viable solution for massive system wide change in the US would be withdrawing support for the state and practice mass non-violent civil disobedience to force change upon a corrupt system.


You should remove the cotton balls from you ears and the blinders from your eyes.

Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?

Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
~ Bob Dylan


Ad hominem attacks are the refugee of the unknowing.

hippifried
11-13-2010, 12:04 AM
Don't try to talk down to me. You're not qualified. But let's take a look:

No part of that wiki article is supported by Wikipedia. I have no reason to dispute the table on purchasing power though. Except that I vividly remember the Nixon shock & it's aftermath. & I've watched the purchasing power of the dollar drop over 90% since August 15, 1971. There were inflationary pressures prior to then, mostly from our foreign "allies" trying to make a run on Ft Knox & the natural push that happens when you have growth like the postwar boom, but that was when the inflationary spiral we see today started. Nixon, by executive fiat, floated the dollar, ending 25 years of relatively stable growth by turning currency valuation over to speculators in the FOREX. It wasn't the Fed. We were the world's reserve currency by treaty, which was broken on that day. The fatal flaw of Bretton Woods was the peg to gold that left open the window to attack the dollar. The gold standard was always a myth, There was never enough in reserve to back the dollar, especially once it became the word reserve & the basis of the worldwide currency peg.

Prior to creation of the US central bank, the federal reserve, we had constant bank panics. The nationwide panic of 1907 was especially bad, & that's what prompted Congress to act in order to stabilize the financial industry. The Fed is not privately owned. That's a myth. The funds are held by the US Treasury. We own the Fed. It's members are private US banks. The 12 branches are part of the Fed itself, & not member banks. The member banks pay for the privilege, & keep a portion of their reserves in the central bank to protect their clients & depositors. The purpose of the Fed is to mitigate damages when the private banks get stupid. Other than the crash of 1929, they've done a credible job.

I'll have to come back to finish this...

hippifried
11-13-2010, 09:27 AM
Okay, where was I?

You point fingers at every elected official. I can't even imaging how bent you'd get if we just did away with elections because we couldn't trust anybody. Yes they're there to represent "OUR" interests. Not necessarily your interests. If you or anybody else thinks you know what "the people" want, run for office. It really is wide open. You merely need to be able to articulate your positions. What are your positions, other than everybody's a crook or too ignorant to see that everybody's a crook? Really, I'm asking because that's what I'm seeing so far.

There's 300 million people here. Assuming that a third are children, that's 200 million individual adults & no 2 of them agree on everything. Democracy is a messy process. Nothing ever comes out exactly the way you would have liked. That's the nature of it. It's not malfeasance. It's just the imperfect best system we've been able to come up with. It's all run by people. There will be some malfeasance. There will be some incompetence. There will also be lots of dedicated people doing their level best to serve the public. There will be a myriad of problems, & none of them will be solved by griping, or by griping louder.

So what's your solution that's going to entail all this sacrifice? Massive? Systemwide? Unspecified? Many for the myriad? Unpalatable? Vague? ... Really. What is it that you actually want to see happen? Withdrawl of support for the State? To what end? How are you planning to organize all this mass civil disobedience? With slogans, quotes, protest songs? Been there done that. Check the nickname. You laugh, but we changed the mindset worldwide in 5 or 6 years. There;s still malfeasance, corruption, & incompetence. There will be the same malfeasance, corruption, & incompetence in whatever movement you think you can put together. You're dealing with people.

Silcc69
11-14-2010, 04:58 PM
As Warren Buffett said: There is a class war and my class is winning.
And Warren wants higher taxes on the rich.... Wow!!!!

YouTube - Warren Buffett's Tax Rate is Lower than His Secretary's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s)

I find it interesting that him and Gates donate more money to the democrats. The top 2 richest Americans very very interesting indeed.

hippifried
11-14-2010, 07:21 PM
I find it interesting that him and Gates donate more money to the democrats. The top 2 richest Americans very very interesting indeed.
Interesting but not surprizing. It's the memes about groupthink that are bogus.