Big Grooby Hello from Toronto Canada!!!

[Kevin Dong]

Hey guys! I'm Kevin the new Canadian photographer for Grooby Productions. I am based out of Toronto, Canada and I've been with the company since this summer, and as their youngest employee I can say I'm truly excited and blessed to be part of such a great team. Seanchai has been the most gracious and understanding boss anybody could ask for, and I was really taken back by the generosity that was expressed towards me.

Without further ado, here are some samples from my last few shoots! Hope you guys enjoy! We have some veterans here in the always popular Lisa Paradise, the lovely Adrina, the top rated sexual kitten Jizelle Moore is back with a new look for us, young Asian tgirl next door Katie is back for a reshoot and looks amazing, and newcomer Nikki brings some Phillipino flavour to Shemale Yum from the Great White North!

Thanks Guys!
Kevin

[hwbs]

welcome aboard !!!!

[raiku9909]

Nice! What are you shooting on, out of curiousity?

[Kevin Dong]

Nice! What are you shooting on, out of curiousity?

Thank you, Raiku! Just got a new Cannon D60 :Bowdown: :)

[raiku9909]

Awesome! I just picked up the 50mm 1.4 lens and I'm loving it. Amazing quality for the price.

[Jericho]

Nice selection, who's the last girl?

[Kevin Dong]

Nice selection, who's the last girl?

The last girl would be Nikki - my apologies for mixing it up in the original post

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Awesome, keep it going!!!

[JP Ewing]

Welcome aboard Kevin! Good to have you. Some great looking shots!

[BellaBellucci]

The girls look good and some of these photos are excellent, but what's up with the blurry shots and those with the washed out colors and horrendous angles? Looks like more Grooby quality control (not) at work.

To be fair, the shots of Lisa look spectacular and I suspect Kevin is a more talented photographer than these sets would have us believe, but Yum's editorial process still leaves much to be desired. They really aren't picky at all, are they? *sigh*

~BB~

[Star Angel 86]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh there's some of those Lisa Paradise pix I've anxiously have been waiting for.:mrgreen:8):cheers:

[Kevin Dong]

The girls look good and some of these photos are excellent, but what's up with the blurry shots and those with the washed out colors and horrendous angles? Looks like more Grooby quality control (not) at work.

To be fair, the shots of Lisa look spectacular and I suspect Kevin is a more talented photographer than these sets would have us believe, but Yum's editorial process still leaves much to be desired. They really aren't picky at all, are they? *sigh*

~BB~

Thanks for the nice comments Bella and to explain the colors and angles to you...those are my fault and not Grooby's. I am a young guy and fairly new to TS's and photographing them in the way that is required by Grooby and the porn industry. Since my first shoots where you see issues with technique and angling, I learned what it was they were looking for and made the proper adjustments, as you can see from the wonderful photos of Miss Lisa Paradise.
I hope that explains it. I really didn't want to misrepresent Grooby in that regard, they were very patient in working with me and getting my photos to a level of quality that even you can appreciate! Thanks again! :)

[BellaBellucci]

Thanks for the nice comments Bella and to explain the colors and angles to you...those are my fault and not Grooby's. I am a young guy and fairly new to TS's and photographing them in the way that is required by Grooby and the porn industry. Since my first shoots where you see issues with technique and angling, I learned what it was they were looking for and made the proper adjustments, as you can see from the wonderful photos of Miss Lisa Paradise.
I hope that explains it. I really didn't want to misrepresent Grooby in that regard, they were very patient in working with me and getting my photos to a level of quality that even you can appreciate! Thanks again! :)

You're off to a great start. I just don't trust your employer as far as I can throw him, which isn't far considering he's been overdoing the tea and crumpets again. :lol:

Keep up the good work. :)

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

You're off to a great start. I just don't trust your employer as far as I can throw him, which isn't far considering he's been overdoing the tea and crumpets again. :lol:

Keep up the good work. :)

~BB~

God you sound like such a bitter person.

[BellaBellucci]

God you sound like such a bitter person.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Thanks for the nice comments Bella and to explain the colors and angles to you...those are my fault and not Grooby's. I am a young guy and fairly new to TS's and photographing them in the way that is required by Grooby and the porn industry. Since my first shoots where you see issues with technique and angling, I learned what it was they were looking for and made the proper adjustments, as you can see from the wonderful photos of Miss Lisa Paradise.
I hope that explains it. I really didn't want to misrepresent Grooby in that regard, they were very patient in working with me and getting my photos to a level of quality that even you can appreciate! Thanks again! :)

Personally I think your photo`s look awesome. I can see the progress in your work. It is easy to tell which were done before which. The photo`s of Lisa look amazing. Lisa is a natural in front of the camera. I am surely interested to see more of your work a you progress in photography. I contacted Steven in interest of doing a new update of myself. I will watch your work over the next little while and will surely be in contact :)

[Clone 0101]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

Sorry there sweetie but being a bitter negative person is nothing to laugh about or be proud of.

[BellaBellucci]

Sorry there sweetie but being a bitter negative person is nothing to laugh about or be proud of.

I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. Speaking without knowledge of the subject matter at hand is nothing to be proud of either. How many posts do you have again?! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. Speaking without knowledge of the subject matter at hand is nothing to be proud of either. How many posts do you have again?! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

I have been around far longer than you my dear. I am an old member who just recently joined again so laugh away all you want. The only person youre making an ass of is yourself. Just because I am not some internet bandit with no life doesnt mean what I have to say isnt credible or good.:fu:

[BellaBellucci]

Just because I am not some internet bandit with no life doesnt mean what I have to say isnt credible or good.

First of all, who says you're not 'some internet bandit with no life?'

Secondly, I didn't question the credibility or the 'goodness' of your statement. Actually, I questioned your personal credibility (and since you didn't tell us who you are, I guess I'm still doing do) and told you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, but the two allegations are in no way mutually exclusive.

But, yeah. :geek:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

First of all, who says you're not 'some internet bandit with no life?'

Secondly, I didn't question the credibility or the 'goodness' of your statement. Actually, I questioned your personal credibility (and since you didn't tell us who you are, I guess I'm still doing do) and told you that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, but the two allegations are in no way mutually exclusive.

But, yeah. :geek:

~BB~

God talking to you is like getting a brain freeze from eating ice cream to fast. The people on here that do know who I am thats what counts. I dont know if you noticed but what you think doesnt really seem to count with me nor does it with to many other members on here. Now does it? It seems like everything thus far that you have ranted on gone on about you are clearly guilty of. I am sorry that you have only been fresh on the scene for what 2 years tops? It's a real shame your motivation and coolness doesnt reflect your internet persona or your look for that matter. Oh and my name is Ana sweetie formerly Lexi. You should really stop hijacking people's threads with your tedious negative BS. Isnt making ya any prettier.

[BellaBellucci]

God talking to you is like getting a brain freeze from eating ice cream to fast. The people on here that do know who I am thats what counts. I dont know if you noticed but what you think doesnt really seem to count with me nor does it with to many other members on here. Now does it? It seems like everything thus far that you have ranted on gone on about you are clearly guilty of. I am sorry that you have only been fresh on the scene for what 2 years tops? It's a real shame your motivation and coolness doesnt reflect your internet persona or your look for that matter. Oh and my name is Ana sweetie formerly Lexi. You should really stop hijacking people's threads with your tedious negative BS. Isnt making ya any prettier.

Wow. You really told me. :roll:

You can doubt my sincerity all you like, but I did compliment Kevin. That doesn't mean I can't be honest about some other things while I'm at it. IMO, my brutal honesty (or as you like to call it, 'negativity'), makes my compliments worth so much more when I offer them.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Wow. You really told me. :roll:

You can doubt my sincerity all you like, but I did compliment Kevin. That doesn't mean I can't be honest about some other things while I'm at it. IMO, my brutal honesty (or as you like to call it, 'negativity'), makes my compliments worth so much more when I offer them.

~BB~

Right... I am sure things lose all meaning when you hear it about 50 times a day.

[Castor_Troy05]

Awesome pics of Jizelle, I've been waiting for more of her. Keep up the good work :)

[Coroner]

Hey, Kevin, congrats on your new job and great pics. Keep up the good work.

[hornybastard]

i dig the 2nd girl with the black hair. whats her name?

[Clone 0101]

i dig the 2nd girl with the black hair. whats her name?

Her name would be Jizelle :)

[FreddieGomez]

the 2nd girl with the dark hair is really cute

[Jericho]

So anyway, welcome to HA :rolleyes:

[bassman2546]

Welcome fellow Canadian. Wonderful shots. Keep up the good work. Love the photos of Lisa Paradise. I think she and I are almost identical in the cock department. I may have an inch on her though. lol

[rbiller]

Nice pics Kevin. Glad to see you got a real camera. And I think you mean a 60D because if you got a D60, it would be a Nikon, LOL. BTW, what happened to longtime photographer Crag?

[Kevin Dong]

Oh wow I didn't expect this to happen hahaha. Thanks so much for everyone who commented on my thread. I really can take the criticism because I know I'm not perfect, so there's no need for the fighting lol. But I appreciate Ana trying to defend my honor nonetheless :) I wasn't offended by what Bella said at all! In fact I appreciate all input. This was just the first post of many and I will be sure to update the thread and give you guys a sneak peak of the models I shoot in the future.

As for what happened to Crag...I am afraid I never knew him personally so I am not able to answer that. Sorry rbiller!

[BellaBellucci]

I wasn't offended by what Bella said at all! In fact I appreciate all input.

Thank you. I wasn't trying to offend you at all. I'm glad someone around here understands that not every criticism is an insult.

~BB~

[Buddy Wood]

Nice stuff Mr.Dong!!

I like your enthusiasm and attitude!! Have fun with it all and keep progressing! Looks great!!

[Clone 0101]

Oh wow I didn't expect this to happen hahaha. Thanks so much for everyone who commented on my thread. I really can take the criticism because I know I'm not perfect, so there's no need for the fighting lol. But I appreciate Ana trying to defend my honor nonetheless :) I wasn't offended by what Bella said at all! In fact I appreciate all input. This was just the first post of many and I will be sure to update the thread and give you guys a sneak peak of the models I shoot in the future.

As for what happened to Crag...I am afraid I never knew him personally so I am not able to answer that. Sorry rbiller!

I was not in the slightest offended by her critiques on your photography skills but her constant rants about Steven. I am sick of coming on here just to see her high jacking peoples threads with her mind numbing BS about him. Like give it a rest already.

[Clone 0101]

Thank you. I wasn't trying to offend you at all. I'm glad someone around here understands that not every criticism is an insult.

~BB~

Get over yourself buddy. We all know what your initial intent of commenting in this thread was so quit the victim act troll.

[BellaBellucci]

Get over yourself buddy. We all know what your initial intent of commenting in this thread was so quit the victim act troll.

Who said anything about being a victim? Who do you think the troll is?

http://questionofmindfulness.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/snow-white-mirror.jpg

And if you think you're going to bait me into a flame war, then you really don't know what you're talking about around here. You're not worth my time.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Who said anything about being a victim? Who do you think the troll is?

http://questionofmindfulness.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/snow-white-mirror.jpg

And if you think you're going to bait me into a flame war, then you really don't know what you're talking about around here. You're not worth my time.

~BB~

:party: :fu: :fu: :wiggle: :fu: :fu: :party:

[Ryz]

Woot Canada!!!

[GroobySteven]

Photos look great Kevin, nice post.
I'm looking forward to seeing much more form you - let's get you and "clone 101" in touch as I'd love to see her back on SMY.

Just a heads up, we tend to ignore (we being most people on this website and anything to do with TG erotica) Bella - she's a really negative, bitter, twisted, ignorant waste of space, so don't bother engaging her unless you've time to waste. She posts these sorts of responses just to try and create frictions or bad will about our content, for what ends, nobody knows.

Cheers.
S

[bridgetbbyxo]

i want to go to urban canada one day...

[BellaBellucci]

She posts these sorts of responses just to try and create frictions or bad will about our content, for what ends, nobody knows.

Cheers.
S

Actually, read back a bit. She started in on me. But then facts have never stopped you from turning any comment I've made towards anybody affiliated with you into a federal case, have they? :lol:

I never attacked Kevin. I was attacking you... because your quality control is still terrible and you don't care. You just go for quantity and blame everyone else when the inevitable criticism heads your way. Want to talk about friction? Talk to your 'girl,' there.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

You just go for quantity and blame everyone else when the inevitable criticism heads your way. Want to talk about friction? Talk to your 'girl,' there.

~BB~

'girl' ???

[BellaBellucci]

'girl' ???

... an allusion to her calling me 'buddy.' Turnabout: it's fair play.

~BB~

[SunshyneMonroe]

I love me some bella she keeps it real..

[mcaextreme69]

Tasty Babes.....

[Clone 0101]

Bella is a big old tragic mess

[Clone 0101]

i want to go to urban canada one day...

Canada is nice depending where you go. Lots of girls travel out west to Calgary for work as well as Ottawa and Toronto.

[Kevin Dong]

Nice stuff Mr.Dong!!

I like your enthusiasm and attitude!! Have fun with it all and keep progressing! Looks great!!

Thank you for the words of encouragement Mr. Wood! I must say your reputation speaks for itself and I am a huge fan of your work. In fact some days I'll literally wish I was you! Hahaha.


Photos look great Kevin, nice post.
I'm looking forward to seeing much more form you - let's get you and "clone 101" in touch as I'd love to see her back on SMY.

Just a heads up, we tend to ignore (we being most people on this website and anything to do with TG erotica) Bella - she's a really negative, bitter, twisted, ignorant waste of space, so don't bother engaging her unless you've time to waste. She posts these sorts of responses just to try and create frictions or bad will about our content, for what ends, nobody knows.

Cheers.
S

Thanks seanchai I am not offended and can take the criticism, I know that you win some and you loose some - and you definitely can't please everyone. :wiggle:


Hey, Kevin, congrats on your new job and great pics. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE

Thanks a lot! :)

[QUOTE=Castor_Troy05;821408]Awesome pics of Jizelle, I've been waiting for more of her. Keep up the good work :)

Thanks Castor! Jizelle and I have been friends for quite a while now, you should see what she looks like these days! Unreal. Maybe I'll take some sneaky photos of her and post them on here when she's not looking. She's a great link to the TS scene in Toronto and a lot of fun!


So anyway, welcome to HA :rolleyes:

thanks buddy!


Welcome fellow Canadian. Wonderful shots. Keep up the good work. Love the photos of Lisa Paradise. I think she and I are almost identical in the cock department. I may have an inch on her though. lol

thanks bassman for your very kind words. Lisa Paradise is even better in person, and a total sweetheart.


Canada is nice depending where you go. Lots of girls travel out west to Calgary for work as well as Ottawa and Toronto.

You and I actually aren't very far from each other at all Ana! I am very familiar with your area! :wiggle:

[Ryz]

i want to go to urban canada one day...

Its nothing special...

[bte]

Great pictures, also is your last name really Dong? If so thats a pretty sweet last name.

[sdman]

i need to go up there

[BellaBellucci]

Thanks seanchai I am not offended and can take the criticism, I know that you win some and you loose some - and you definitely can't please everyone. :wiggle:

You sir, have already earned my respect. Thank you for your wisdom.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

Thank you for the words of encouragement Mr. Wood! I must say your reputation speaks for itself and I am a huge fan of your work. In fact some days I'll literally wish I was you! Hahaha.



Thanks seanchai I am not offended and can take the criticism, I know that you win some and you loose some - and you definitely can't please everyone. :wiggle:

[quote=Coroner;821410]Hey, Kevin, congrats on your new job and great pics. Keep up the good work.[/QUOTE

Thanks a lot! :)



Thanks Castor! Jizelle and I have been friends for quite a while now, you should see what she looks like these days! Unreal. Maybe I'll take some sneaky photos of her and post them on here when she's not looking. She's a great link to the TS scene in Toronto and a lot of fun!



thanks buddy!



thanks bassman for your very kind words. Lisa Paradise is even better in person, and a total sweetheart.



You and I actually aren't very far from each other at all Ana! I am very familiar with your area! :wiggle:what did jizz get done?

[phobun]

Just a heads up, we tend to ignore (we being most people on this website and anything to do with TG erotica) Bella - she's a really negative, bitter, twisted, ignorant waste of space, so don't bother engaging her unless you've time to waste. She posts these sorts of responses just to try and create frictions or bad will about our content, for what ends, nobody knows.


True, very true

[phobun]

Great pictures, also is your last name really Dong? If so thats a pretty sweet last name.


Just wait until you meet Mr. Cock!

[BellaBellucci]

True, very true

No it's not. He creates plenty of bad will on his own. All I've had to do is amplify it enough so that people recognize the man behind the curtain. But yeah, why are you even here again?

~BB~

[FreddieGomez]

The 2nd chick wit the dark hair is still the sexiest

[phobun]

The 2nd chick wit the dark hair is still the sexiest


I thought you had a girlfriend now and didn't have time for this site?

She must have dumped your powerbottom ass already?

[phobun]

No it's not. He creates plenty of bad will on his own. All I've had to do is amplify it enough so that people recognize the man behind the curtain. But yeah, why are you even here again?

~BB~


Have you seen the latest hottie SMY girl? Elle Stice / Reesa Noi
That shoot is excellent.
Seanchai is a genius

[FreddieGomez]

I thought you had a girlfriend now and didn't have time for this site?

She must have dumped your powerbottom ass already?

Naw i still got a girl. it's not like i live wit her, i aint up her ass 24/7.

[BellaBellucci]

Have you seen the latest hottie SMY girl? Elle Stice / Reesa Noi
That shoot is excellent.
Seanchai is a genius

A good product isn't all that's necessary to create goodwill towards a brand. The brand has to be worthy of it overall. It has to operate above board, treat its people with respect, treat the fans with respect, and have consistently great product. No, I haven't seen the shoot so I can't say whether it's 'genius' or not, and Seanchai didn't shoot it so I fail to see his involvement beyond being the money man, but even if its so and the shoot is spectacular, it's an exception that proves the rule.

And let's not even talk about how he goes the extra mile to make models he likes on a personal level or those that he thinks he can control look better than the rest of us. Anyone who doesn't think he does this is just blind to the way this industry operates as a matter of course.

~BB~

[phobun]

A good product isn't all that's necessary to create goodwill towards a brand. The brand has to be worthy of it overall. It has to operate above board, treat its people with respect, treat the fans with respect, and have consistently great product. No, I haven't seen the shoot so I can't say whether it's 'genius' or not, and Seanchai didn't shoot it so I fail to see his involvement beyond being the money man, but even if its so and the shoot is spectacular, it's an exception that proves the rule.

And let's not even talk about how he goes the extra mile to make models he likes on a personal level or those that he thinks he can control look better than the rest of us. Anyone who doesn't think he does this is just blind to the way this industry operates as a matter of course.

~BB~


Why are you obsessed with his business? Move on with your life.

[lisaparadise]

Can you people please be negative on another thread this is about us canadian girls

[GroobySteven]

A good product isn't all that's necessary to create goodwill towards a brand. The brand has to be worthy of it overall. It has to operate above board, treat its people with respect, treat the fans with respect, and have consistently great product.

Thanks Bella, we've been doing all of the above for nearly 15 years now, which is why we're consistently working with the best models time and time again, have the newest models wanting to work with us, have managed to sustain growth during that time, hold the record with CCBill for the most rebilling customers (customer retention) of any of their clients, operate our own customer service so we can deal with our customers issues one:one without having to go through 3rd parties and continue to keep people happy with our consistency and quality.

[BellaBellucci]

Thanks Bella, we've been doing all of the above for nearly 15 years now, which is why we're consistently working with the best models time and time again, have the newest models wanting to work with us, have managed to sustain growth during that time, hold the record with CCBill for the most rebilling customers (customer retention) of any of their clients, operate our own customer service so we can deal with our customers issues one:one without having to go through 3rd parties and continue to keep people happy with our consistency and quality.

Even those who oppose Wal-Mart for everything it stands for wouldn't deny that it has its fans. It doesn't make it the best. It just makes it the largest.

~BB~

PS: Aren't you the guy suing your fans?

[hwbs]

there is so much negativity lately on the most positive of threads...i had already recommended to Nyce to shut down the boards for awhile to let the trolls go troll somewhere else !!!

[Ryz]

there is so much negativity lately on the most positive of threads...i had already recommended to Nyce to shut down the boards for awhile to let the trolls go troll somewhere else !!!

This would not work

[BellaBellucci]

there is so much negativity lately on the most positive of threads...i had already recommended to Nyce to shut down the boards for awhile to let the trolls go troll somewhere else !!!

Are you're implying that I'm a troll? Because Steven and I don't like each other I'm not allowed to talk to people associated with him? He and Buddy talk to my friends all the time. In fact, I consider them poison to them.

I raised a valid criticism and the OP wasn't offended, so I'm failing to understand this.

~BB~

[phobun]

Hey guys! I'm Kevin the new Canadian photographer for Grooby Productions. I am based out of Toronto, Canada and I've been with the company since this summer, and as their youngest employee I can say I'm truly excited and blessed to be part of such a great team. Seanchai has been the most gracious and understanding boss anybody could ask for, and I was really taken back by the generosity that was expressed towards me.

Without further ado, here are some samples from my last few shoots! Hope you guys enjoy! We have some veterans here in the always popular Lisa Paradise, the lovely Adrina, the top rated sexual kitten Jizelle Moore is back with a new look for us, young Asian tgirl next door Katie is back for a reshoot and looks amazing, and newcomer Nikki brings some Phillipino flavour to Shemale Yum from the Great White North!

Thanks Guys!
Kevin


Nice work Mr. Dong. Is the 3rd girl from the top with the nice natural titties Katie?

[GroobySteven]

Are you're implying that I'm a troll? Because Steven and I don't like each other I'm not allowed to talk to people associated with him? He and Buddy talk to my friends all the time. In fact, I consider them poison to them.

I raised a valid criticism and the OP wasn't offended, so I'm failing to understand this.

~BB~


You are a troll. You troll many posts about Grooby just to make disparaging comments because for some reason, which you've never been able to explain properly. Even your ongoing (yawn) comparison to Walmart, is fairly ridiculous.
You are negative, you are insidious and your just a nasty piece of work, it's little wonder you have to live the life you do.

[GroobySteven]

Even those who oppose Wal-Mart for everything it stands for wouldn't deny that it has its fans. It doesn't make it the best. It just makes it the largest.

~BB~

PS: Aren't you the guy suing your fans?
What has Walmart got to do with anything? Our sites are obviously the best at what they offer and they hit the mark for 1000's of people who return. If people don't them, then that's their prerogative and why there are plenty of other options for them to take.

We are not suing any of our fans or customers, what give you that strange idea?

[GroobySteven]

No it's not. He creates plenty of bad will on his own. All I've had to do is amplify it enough so that people recognize the man behind the curtain. But yeah, why are you even here again?

~BB~

What bad will have I created? Why do you need to "amplify it". What's your reasoning for having to continuous slander and troll our posts when you've never been able to state anything that makes any sense?

[GroobySteven]

Have you seen the latest hottie SMY girl? Elle Stice / Reesa Noi
That shoot is excellent.
Seanchai is a genius

Nothing to do with me really, all Tony Vee.
She's a lovely looking girl and I'm sure we're going to see a whole lot of her soon.

[BellaBellucci]

You are a troll. You troll many posts about Grooby just to make disparaging comments because for some reason, which you've never been able to explain properly. Even your ongoing (yawn) comparison to Walmart, is fairly ridiculous.
You are negative, you are insidious and your just a nasty piece of work, it's little wonder you have to live the life you do.


I raised a valid criticism and the OP wasn't offended, so I'm failing to understand this.

~BB~

Here's a novel idea: improve your quality and stop trying to pass off blurry, color washed shots off as masterpieces worthy of a marketing campaign. Keep them in the sets if you absolutely must (of course not every shot is magazine quality - that's understandable), but don't pass them off as your best work and not expect criticism. You should also stop blaming models for the few shoots that you do admit were lousy. You're the producer and the buck stops with you. It's about time you take responsibility for your inactions.

And the reason I bother with this at all at this point isn't personal despite what you allege. It's because IMO, your lack of quality makes transsexuals unappealing to a mass audience while you cater to those who would prefer that we don't blend into society so that they can continue to rationalize objectifying us by our penises (i.e. cockhounds). I don't mind being objectified as a woman, but not as some kind of freak of nature.

SMC does WAAAAY more to help hone the image that transsexuals should present to the rest of the world. They make us look desirable. You make us look like trash. I demand better and so do a lot of other girls.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

What has Walmart got to do with anything? Our sites are obviously the best at what they offer and they hit the mark for 1000's of people who return. If people don't them, then that's their prerogative and why there are plenty of other options for them to take.

We are not suing any of our fans or customers, what give you that strange idea?


Wal-Mart is an exploiter and the largest company that does what it does, for the least discriminating customers in the business. Your company matches that description.

And umm, your post:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=49732&highlight=piracy


What bad will have I created? Why do you need to "amplify it". What's your reasoning for having to continuous slander and troll our posts when you've never been able to state anything that makes any sense?

See above for starters, not to mention my last response.

~BB~

PS: The more you argue, the more you help me articulate my position. Thank you. :)

[GroobySteven]

Here's a novel idea: improve your quality and stop trying to pass off blurry, color washed shots off as masterpieces worthy of a marketing campaign. Keep them in the sets if you absolutely must (of course not every shot is magazine quality - that's understandable), but don't pass them off as your best work and not expect criticism.

Why is this any of your business at all how we run our business and the quality? When do we "pass them off as our best work?



You should also stop blaming models for the few shoots that you do admit were lousy.
I can't think of any time we've ever done? Some models simply weren't meant to be models. If we've done a poor photographic job we often admit it which is why we're one of the only sites with feedback, comments and forums on our sites. Which model did we blame?



You're the producer and the buck stops with you. It's about time you take responsibility for your inactions.
I take responsibility daily and that's why I am on this forum and why I interact with customers, fans, interested others, models and the occasional twat. The buck does stop with me, which is why I put my name behind my sites and why I have the responsiblity to ensure everyone who works for us, gets paid, remains employed and part of a growing and energetic company. What does any of this have to do with you .. you are neither customer, fan, interested other or model?




And the reason I bother with this at all at this point isn't personal despite what you allege. It's because IMO, your lack of quality makes transsexuals unappealing to a mass audience while you cater to those who would prefer that we don't blend into society so that they can continue to rationalize objectifying us by our penises (i.e. cockhounds).
Our sites are extremely appealing to a mass audience of men who like to see transsexuals, in full solo nudity and sex scenes. So your issue isn't with Grooby specifically but with pretty much every shemale porn site, including Shemale Strokers, Shemale Club, etc. - and of course, HungAngels?



I don't mind being objectified as a woman, but not as some kind of freak of nature.
Then why did you work for Shemale Yum, Shemale Club and Shemale Strokers? All these site's only interest is showing you as a transsexual model?



SMC does WAAAAY more to help hone the image that transsexuals should present to the rest of the world. They make us look desirable. You make us look like trash. I demand better and so do a lot of other girls.

~BB~
We don't make ANY models look like trash. We spend a lot more time on each image that SMC does, who simply "wash" most of their photoshoots. There is nothing wrong with that, it's their business model and appeals to their members but not ours. If our models weren't "desirable" then we simply would not have any members, any revenue and therefore, any business and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
You may demand better, the 100's of models we put up a year, obviously don't as they stand behind their products.

[GroobySteven]

Wal-Mart is an exploiter and the largest company that does what it does, for the least discriminating customers in the business. Your company matches that description.

And umm, your post:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=49732&highlight=piracy

Our company does not match that description whatsoever.
We do not exploit.
We are large(est).
Our customers are extremely discriminating.

My post above doesn't support any of your points?




PS: The more you argue, the more you help me articulate my position. Thank you. :)

It's great that you honestly believe that Bella. Truly, it's wonderful.

[BellaBellucci]

Why is this any of your business at all how we run our business and the quality? When do we "pass them off as our best work?

... when you use them in marketing. Or are your ad materials not intended to put your best foot forward?


I can't think of any time we've ever done? Some models simply weren't meant to be models. If we've done a poor photographic job we often admit it which is why we're one of the only sites with feedback, comments and forums on our sites. Which model did we blame?

'Weren't meant to be models?' Where did you come to that conclusion? When you went to art school, modeling school, photography school? Face it, you're a hack who got lucky and you know it. You don't know what you're talking about. I've seen you take plenty or normal girls and try to turn them into porn stars and plenty of potential porn-stars you've made look like shit. You're just trying to keep girls hungry and I'm not going to provide you a list of those who won't work with you because this is between you and me, but yes, I am of course one of them.


I take responsibility daily and that's why I am on this forum and why I interact with customers, fans, interested others, models and the occasional twat. The buck does stop with me, which is why I put my name behind my sites and why I have the responsiblity to ensure everyone who works for us, gets paid, remains employed and part of a growing and energetic company. What does any of this have to do with you .. you are neither customer, fan, interested other or model?

You're here on this forum for damage control. I've seen you go after countless fans when they've criticized you, so don't act like you're here to make good on anything. You've repeatedly chased away people who disagree with you or criticize you. Shall we go into your actions on HD?

What does it have to do with me? I think you know. Nobody's shooting me right now and I'm 99.9% sure it has to do with this shit, but I have a message for the other producers who might shoot me: as long as you're respectful to me and at least consider my preferences in regards to my own image (even if you don't accept them), I will never cause a problem for you. And despite rumors that I'm difficult to work with on set, that's a complete and utter fabrication. I always stay composed and professional even if I am a bit picky. You were not that way towards me. You were smug, arrogant, and sneaky, and so was Buddy, always acting so satisfied with himself. And since you seem to have at least come close to ending what career I would have had (just as I predicted), you've seemingly given me nothing left to lose, hence: this is completely, totally, utterly, 100% my business.



Our sites are extremely appealing to a mass audience of men who like to see transsexuals, in full solo nudity and sex scenes. So your issue isn't with Grooby specifically but with pretty much every shemale porn site, including Shemale Strokers, Shemale Club, etc. - and of course, HungAngels?

Then why did you work for Shemale Yum, Shemale Club and Shemale Strokers? All these site's only interest is showing you as a transsexual model?


Those sites treat me with respect on a personal level. I always felt that in working with them, their intentions were not to degrade transwomen, but to stay competitive in the market by using the industry terms that you popularized. That's not their fault and when I deal with them I don't have the feeling of selling out that I do when I deal with you.


We don't make ANY models look like trash. We spend a lot more time on each image that SMC does, who simply "wash" most of their photoshoots. There is nothing wrong with that, it's their business model and appeals to their members but not ours. If our models weren't "desirable" then we simply would not have any members, any revenue and therefore, any business and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
You may demand better, the 100's of models we put up a year, obviously don't as they stand behind their products.

Please. Models who oppose you use me as a cautionary tale of how to get themselves blacklisted by the industry. All they have to do is say 'boo' to you. Bullying your opposition into silence doesn't make it disappear.

~BB~

[Castor_Troy05]

Back to Mr Dong, I fully support your plan to take more pics of Jizelle. It's my birthday soon that can be my gift :p

[GroobySteven]

... when you use them in marketing. Or are your ad materials not intended to put your best foot forward?

It's objective. We use what we want to promote, it's none of your business?




'Weren't meant to be models?' Where did you come to that conclusion? When you went to art school, modeling school, photography school?
When we got very little feedback about reshooting them, when we saw the finished photos and realized they didn't have what people wanted. It's nothing to do with school. We're providing a product and if that product doesn't sell we cannot buy more.



Face it, you're a hack who got lucky and you know it. You don't know what you're talking about. I've seen you take plenty or normal girls and try to turn them into porn stars and plenty of potential porn-stars you've made look like shit.

I'm not sure what a "hack" is in this context but yes I did get lucky in my job choice of being in the right place in the right time, I know that - I also took advantage of that luck and worked very hard to provide a sustainable business model. What is a normal girl? We give many many models a shoot - we get dozens of enquiries a week. Why would we make anyone look like shit?



You're just trying to keep girls hungry and I'm not going to provide you a list of those who won't work with you because this is between you and me, but yes, I am of course one of them.
Huh? Keep them hungry? What are you talking about? We shoot more US models than any other company, and the same models more often?
YOU ASKED TO WORK WITH US AGAIN AND WE REFUSED - AND THE BOTTOMLINE IS, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THIS COMES FROM.




You're here on this forum for damage control. I've seen you go after countless fans when they've criticized you, so don't act like you're hear to make good on anything. You've repeatedly chased away people who disagree with you or criticize you. Shall we go into your actions on HD?

Yes I will stick up and defend my choices of models and my business especially against untrue or slanderous comments, or simply if someone is commenting nastily on an individual model. I'm not here for damage control per se, but for communication, promotion and business, of course. Why are you here? You were kicked off HungDevils.com because I didn't want you there? What other actions?



What does it have to do with me? I think you know. Nobody's shooting me right now and I'm 99.9% sure it has to do with this shit,

OMG - are you serious? You think that I have the power/influence to say to Isa, Sammi, Joey, John, Bob and any other producers whom not to shoot? Here is a clue Bella, your shoots didn't perform well on their sites either - but more than that, they just don't want to work with you because your trouble, egotistical and nasty, nasty individual. Don't lay blame at my feet, look at yourself. Hilarious!!!




You were not that way towards me. You were smug, arrogant, and sneaky, and so was Buddy, always acting so satisfied with himself. And since you seem to have at least come close to ending what career I would have had (just as I predicted), you've seemingly given me nothing left to lose, hence: this is completely, totally, utterly, 100% my business.

You never had a career, you done a few shoots, that is all. Smug, arrogant? I took the time to answer your emails personally on why we weren't prepared to reshoot you - you retorted by attacking me/us and now you think we've ended your career??? Well it all becomes transparent on why you have to attack us constantly. Tread carefully, Bella.







Those sites treat me with respect on a personal level. I always felt that in working with them, their intentions were not to degrade transwomen, but to stay competitive in the market by using the industry terms that you popularized. That's not their fault and when I deal with them I don't have the feeling of selling out that I do when I deal with you.
Pfffh! Take a look at their marketing! Obviously they didn't treat you with much respect as none of them will work with you again.
I didn't invent the term "shemale". I didn't even make it popular on the internet, there were sites around before then. I think Shemale Strokers and Shemale Club would be most offended if you suggested that they took their names because of Shemale Yum. Absolute nonsense but once again, showing where your delusions come from.






Please. Models who oppose you use me as a cautionary tale of how to get themselves blacklisted by the industry. All they have to do is say 'boo' to you. Bulling your opposition into silence doesn't make them disappear.

~BB~

Bella, you are not my opposition. You are a model who worked for us once and whom I didn't want to work with again. You are an obviously delusional individual who takes it upon herself to blame others for her own failures whether it's as a model or simply as a person, as you are clearly doing here.

[Castor_Troy05]

So if I say boo to Steve, that's me outta luck??

Glad I burned that Sunderland Jersey I had as a kid

[GroobySteven]

So if I say boo to Steve, that's me outta luck??

Glad I burned that Sunderland Jersey I had as a kid


Mackam! 5-1 last week to Newcastle :dancing:

[Castor_Troy05]

I never supported them, being scottish I wouldnt be allowed to. I did however get one of their away shirts bought for me, some golden coloured thing.

Its good to see the toon army coming back though, I know a few geordies and theyre great fella's

[Clone 0101]

YOU ASKED TO WORK WITH US AGAIN AND WE REFUSED - AND THE BOTTOMLINE IS, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THIS COMES FROM.

Gee I wonder why I knew in my head this was the reasoning. You know Bella there is even a Yum regular model Steven wasnt interested in having as a model again but she has gone on to do 7 more photo sets since then not counting ones she just presently did. On top of that not only did he apologize to her but he did so publicly. Steven is a pretty awesome guy and respected by many girls in the industry. You should probably stop focusing on the negative and hiding in the shadows waiting for your next attack and start focusing more on what is going to make Bella a better Bella instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing. The only person you have made look bad in this thread is yourself. Me personally I hate bullies. I will personally make a point of being there to have something to say to any post you make such as these.:fu:

[GroobySteven]

I never supported them, being scottish I wouldnt be allowed to. I did however get one of their away shirts bought for me, some golden coloured thing.

Its good to see the toon army coming back though, I know a few geordies and theyre great fella's

I think that must have been an away strip!

Off up Scotland in a few weeks! Love it. Glasgow and Edinburgh are two of the most under-rated cities in Europe.

[Castor_Troy05]

Well Glasgow is my hometown, and I do miss it terribly sometimes. So many great places to go out and have a good time. Was back there in June for not long enough.

I'm sure you'll have a blast there. Never did find out of there was much of a scene outside the Polo Lounge before moving away

[BellaBellucci]

It's objective. We use what we want to promote, it's none of your business?

I gave you my opinion on a public forum. I'm entitled to it. Period. But it's easy to blame me for building sentiment against you to mask the fact that it's always been there, huh? :geek:


When we got very little feedback about reshooting them, when we saw the finished photos and realized they didn't have what people wanted. It's nothing to do with school. We're providing a product and if that product doesn't sell we cannot buy more.

Please. You're making this personal again, but since you're going there, yes, you had re-shoot requests for me on both the SMY message board and my photoset comments not to mention that I had already started making other connections within the niche, and now, aside from my growth as a model, I've also become a promoter, so why didn't you take advantage of someone like me? Because I was a threat. Plain and simple. Well now I wouldn't shoot with you if my life depended on it, so you'd be hard pressed to say that that is why I oppose you. Let's make one thing perfectly clear: my opposition to you came before you refused to have me back.


I'm not sure what a "hack" is in this context but yes I did get lucky in my job choice of being in the right place in the right time, I know that - I also took advantage of that luck and worked very hard to provide a sustainable business model. What is a normal girl? We give many many models a shoot - we get dozens of enquiries a week. Why would we make anyone look like shit?

... because your idea of a 'sustainable business model' is quantity over quality. Fess up and deal with it.


Huh? Keep them hungry? What are you talking about? We shoot more US models than any other company, and the same models more often?
YOU ASKED TO WORK WITH US AGAIN AND WE REFUSED - AND THE BOTTOMLINE IS, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THIS COMES FROM.

Seriously? You don't think it's in your best interests to make girls work as hard as possible for as little money as possible? I mean, they could shoot with you once a week and many would not be able to survive on that. You expect us to believe that you don't understand that poverty is force? You really don't understand how capitalism works? It's the very reason so many girls submit to dealing with you in the first place.



Yes I will stick up and defend my choices of models and my business especially against untrue or slanderous comments, or simply if someone is commenting nastily on an individual model. I'm not here for damage control per se, but for communication, promotion and business, of course. Why are you here? You were kicked off HungDevils.com because I didn't want you there? What other actions?

I'm not talking about what you did to me. I could care less. Think bigger. Who else did you piss off? From my perspective, you have so many enemies that I could truly be talking about anyone really.


OMG - are you serious? You think that I have the power/influence to say to Isa, Sammi, Joey, John, Bob and any other producers whom not to shoot? Here is a clue Bella, your shoots didn't perform well on their sites either - but more than that, they just don't want to work with you because your trouble, egotistical and nasty, nasty individual. Don't lay blame at my feet, look at yourself. Hilarious!!!

You and I both know that while my morals don't change, my demeanor does vary depending on a situation. Of course I'm going to be aggressive with you, but I haven't been with them, or really anyone else that isn't affiliated with you. Don't act like I have all of these enemies all over the place because it's just not true. I may be your worst enemy, but to many people, I'm a very good friend.


You never had a career, you done a few shoots, that is all. Smug, arrogant? I took the time to answer your emails personally on why we weren't prepared to reshoot you - you retorted by attacking me/us and now you think we've ended your career??? Well it all becomes transparent on why you have to attack us constantly. Tread carefully, Bella.

I've done a few shoots... only one after I started fighting with you and on a bit of a fluke that has nothing to do with you. Your insistence that I'm not worth shooting is ridiculous and insults the intelligence of many posters here. My brand and image promotes plenty of other events, companies, and websites... just not yours. If you expect people to see me selling these other things with that image but believe that I'm not worthy of selling my own porn, then we're pretty much done talking.


Bella, you are not my opposition. You are a model who worked for us once and whom I didn't want to work with again. You are an obviously delusional individual who takes it upon herself to blame others for her own failures whether it's as a model or simply as a person, as you are clearly doing here.

Right. 'Obviously.' So says King Steven. So mote it be. :roll:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Me personally I hate bullies. I will personally make a point of being there to have something to say to any post you make such as these.:fu:

Hence becoming a bully yourself. Great plan.

We're both entitled to our respective opinions. There's no need to be rude about it, and frankly, you don't really have a lot of choice but to leave it at that.

Welcome (back) to HA.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Hence becoming a bully yourself. Great plan.

We're both entitled to our respective opinions. There's no need to be rude about it, and frankly, you don't really have a lot of choice but to leave it at that.

Welcome (back) to HA.

~BB~

Hey if me pointing out that youre in the wrong why not! I will wear the title with pride just for you beautiful Bella :dancing: And you were just so polite when describing Steven werent you??? If the shoe fits wear it bitch. Life is truly what you make of it. You are the maker of your own happiness.

[BellaBellucci]

Hey if me pointing out that youre in the wrong why not! I will wear the title with pride just for you beautiful Bella :dancing:

That's funny. Buddy told me that exact same thing the night he came into Hamburger Mary's with Doll and an obnoxiously drunk Sparky. As I recall she bitched at me for 'dividing the community,' and told me that 'we're all gay.' Wrong, and wrong... and talking points disseminated by Buddy.

If anyone can't identify this ratchet job, then they're pretty impressionable. Good luck with your little mantra against me though. The idea that I'm somehow this evil, intentionally polarizing figure is laughable. It's just not so.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

And you were just so polite when describing Steven werent you??? If the shoe fits wear it bitch.

But what does that have to do with you? And did you want to argue on the merits or are you admitting to trolling? It seems to me to be the latter.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

But what does that have to do with you? And did you want to argue on the merits or are you admitting to trolling? It seems to me to be the latter.

~BB~

Oh I have officially taken on the title of trolling all for you Bella (gee its a shame you dont live up to the meaning of your name)... What it had to do with me is that your behavior is disgusting. Youre like a school yard bully... Personally you make me sick. Ya know what though if I looked like you I would be pretty bitter also.

[BellaBellucci]

Oh I have officially taken on the title of trolling all for you Bella (gee its a shame you dont live up to the meaning of your name)... What it had to do with me is that your behavior is disgusting. Youre like a school yard bully... Personally you make me sick. Ya know what though if I looked like you I would be pretty bitter also.

It's funny that some people resort to calling me a bully considering that all I have to do is speak to someone from Grooby and they send like 12 people in after me. And of course this is after I'm told that I'm nobody and have no career and no power. Have you ever met a weak bully? You people need to get your stories straight.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fcsQ0vdYNnKtMM:http://tubegator.com/fun-pictures/pictures-george-bush-president/kerry_flip_flops_serious.jpg&t=1

What's funnier is that I've already taken on everyone they've sent for me and I'm still here. Who's bullying whom?

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

It's funny that some people resort to calling me a bully considering that all I have to do is speak to someone from Grooby and they send like 12 people in after me. And of course this is after I'm told that I'm nobody and have no career and no power. Have you ever met a weak bully? You people need to get your stories straight.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fcsQ0vdYNnKtMM:http://tubegator.com/fun-pictures/pictures-george-bush-president/kerry_flip_flops_serious.jpg&t=1

What's funnier is that I've already taken on everyone they've sent for me and I'm still here. Who's bullying whom here?

~BB~

Youre the one who started talking shit so I guess that would be you??? No one sent me here. I do nothing for no one unless I want to. You hun it just seemed far to easy.

[BellaBellucci]

Youre the one who started talking shit so I guess that would be you??? No one sent me here. I do nothing for no one unless I want to. You hun it just seemed far to easy.

I gave Kevin my honest about opinion about his work. Some was good, some not so much. I made a crack about Steven, yes, but I always make little comments. He does too. It's an accepted practice IMO. The person who escalated this into an issue was you and the person who's trying to escalate it into a flame war is Steven. Therefore, it is Steven attempting to go nuclear on me for a minor infraction as a form of control. Well, lady, if he has to do that, then his is a weak position, yet I'll fight for freedom of speech (yes, even his), until I'm shuffled off this mortal coil. There needs to be open dialog here for everyone's sake whether he likes it or not.

You need to get your facts straight.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

I gave Kevin my honest about opinion about his work. Some was good, sone not so much. I made a crack about Steven, yes, but I always make little comments. He does too. It's an accepted practice IMO. The person who escalated this into an issue was you and the person who's trying to escalate it into a flame war is Steven. Therefore, it is Steven attempting to go nuclear on me for a minor infraction as a form of control. Well, lady, if he has to do that, then his is a weak position, yet I'll fight for freedom of speech (yes, even his), until I'm shuffled off this mortal coil. There needs to be open dialog here for everyone's sake whether he likes it or not.

You need to get your facts straight.

~BB~

I dont know why you keep bringing Kevin up I made it clear nothing of what you said to him had any power over what I thought of you. I am going on what I have seen and my facts are straight. You need to pull your head out of your ass. Youre a pathetic tragic mess. My dislike doesnt only stem from your behavior from Steven but many others. Youre exterior is just as ugly as whats on the inside.

[BellaBellucci]

I dont know why you keep bringing Kevin up I made it clear nothing of what you said to him had any power over what I thought of you. I am going on what I have seen and my facts are straight. You need to pull your head out of your ass. Youre a pathetic tragic mess. My dislike doesnt only stem from your behavior from Steven but many others. Youre exterior is just as ugly as whats on the inside.

Geezus, you're as bad as Nicole Dupre. What are we in? 2nd grade? 'You're stupid. You're ugly. Nobody likes you.' Waaah! You're making me cry. :roll:

More importantly though, the 'many others' people keep citing are all linked to Steven. I don't even know 95% of them and those that I have met I've spent very little time with. Maybe you should look into that before you make impulsive statements about who the 'good guys' and 'bad guys' are, huh?

And if this has nothing to do with Kevin, and Kevin wasn't offended, try to go ahead and tell me you're not here only to defend Steven from what is essentially just a conversation.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Geezus, you're as bad as Nicole Dupre. What are we in? 2nd grade? 'You're stupid. You're ugly. Nobody likes you.' Waaah! You're making me cry. :roll:

More importantly though, the 'many others' people keep citing are all linked to Steven. I don't even know 95% of them and those that I have met I've spent very little time with. Maybe you should look into that before you make impulsive statements about who the 'good guys' and 'bad guys' are, huh?

~BB~

Well honesty is the best policy my lovely. Youre allowed to point out other people's faults, but I cant? Gee what a contradiction you are (much like the pairing of you and the name bella)....

xoxo

Love ya bitch

[BellaBellucci]

Well honesty is the best policy my lovely. Youre allowed to point out other people's faults, but I cant? Gee what a contradiction you are (much like the pairing of you and the name bella)....

xoxo

Love ya bitch

I never said that. I'm just saying that you don't know me, therefore your opinion of me can only based on Steven's, therefore you're no more than a glorified sock-puppet. :geek:

And as long as honesty doesn't cross into slander, and your opinions are your own, I think I may have a pretty good time sparring with you. Bring it on. You're kind of fun! ;)

~BB~

[DL_NL]

Bella- even if you might be right somewhere, your constant banging on seanchai is beyond getting old. You'll end up looking like an embittered, pathetic creature- in fact you're almost there. If you're willing to take that chance: go ahead.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella- even if you might be right somewhere, your constant banging on seanchai is beyond getting old. You'll end up looking like an embittered, pathetic creature- in fact you're almost there. If you're willing to take that chance: go ahead.

Again, I didn't start this. Every time I make the slightest comment I'm met with a nuclear response. Well, I don't do ultimatums or scare tactics, so if they're trying to make me shut up, they can go ahead and bring it on... again. Otherwise, I said what I have to and I'd be done if people would just either read my posts or ignore them instead of making a federal case out of everything. This is Steven's attempt at damage control, plain and simple.

And I'm quite aware of the thinness of the line between strong and bitter, but thank you. I'm a pretty decent tightrope walker I think. :lol:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

I never said that. I'm just saying that you don't know me, therefore your opinion of me can only based on Steven's, therefore you're no more than a glorified sock-puppet. :geek:

And as long as honesty doesn't cross into slander, and your opinions are your own, I think I may have a pretty good time sparring with you. Bring it on. You're kind of fun! ;)

~BB~

Please Bella I am not going on anything Steven has aid becaue believe it or not me and Steven do not physically know eachother. This is like the second or third time I have aid this but here we will dust it off again. I AM GOING ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN YOU DONE AND HOW YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO AND TREATED PEOPLE... Crystal clear?

[BellaBellucci]

Please Bella I am not going on anything Steven has aid becaue believe it or not me and Steven do not physically know eachother. This is like the second or third time I have aid this but here we will dust it off again. I AM GOING ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN YOU DONE AND HOW YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO AND TREATED PEOPLE... Crystal clear?

Oh yeah, because people have always treated me so well.

In other words, people are upset that I don't kiss ass since the people I've had epics fights with are Hara, Nicole Dupre, Danielle Foxx, and Steven Gallon. I mean, there's not a polarizing figure in the bunch. The nerve of me. :yayo:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Again, I didn't start this. Every time I make the slightest comment I'm met with a nuclear response. Well, I don't do ultimatums or scare tactics, so if they're trying to make me shut up, they can go ahead and bring it on... again. Otherwise, I said what I have to and I'd be done if people would just either read my posts or ignore them instead of making a federal case out of everything. This is Steven's attempt at damage control, plain and simple.

And I'm quite aware of the thinness of the line between strong and bitter, but thank you. I'm a pretty decent tightrope walker I think. :lol:

~BB~

I have not seen anyone threaten you or try and scare you from speaking your mind. The only thing people have had a problem with is you talking shit. As I said I had no problem with your critiques with Kevin's photography abilities. You tried to drag this whole thing out into something it isnt. You clearly are unstable and should seek medical attention to get your meds leveled or something??? You have a pretty blurred perception of things thats for sure.

[DL_NL]

A good product isn't all that's necessary to create goodwill towards a brand. The brand has to be worthy of it overall. It has to operate above board, treat its people with respect, treat the fans with respect, and have consistently great product. No, I haven't seen the shoot so I can't say whether it's 'genius' or not, and Seanchai didn't shoot it so I fail to see his involvement beyond being the money man, but even if its so and the shoot is spectacular, it's an exception that proves the rule.

And let's not even talk about how he goes the extra mile to make models he likes on a personal level or those that he thinks he can control look better than the rest of us. Anyone who doesn't think he does this is just blind to the way this industry operates as a matter of course.
This is not tightrope walking, it's bitterness embodied. You fell off the rope and you're hoping for a safety net.

Stating your point once makes it clear, stating it twice is slightly irritating, but you're doing it in every Grooby-related thread.

[BellaBellucci]

I have not seen anyone threaten you or try and scare you from speaking your mind. The only thing people have had a problem with is you talking shit. As I said I had no problem with your critiques with Kevin's photography abilities. You tried to drag this whole thing out into something it isnt. You clearly are unstable and should seek medical attention to get your meds leveled or something??? You have a pretty blurred perception of things thats for sure.

Really? Getting dogpiled by a usual 2-6 Grooby employees and/or sycophants every time I speak isn't threatening behavior? I've tried to drag this out? So you and Steven aren't here and I'm just fighting with myself? And what of this screen shot?

I'm considered one of the most stable people around, until the subject of Steven comes up and then suddenly, I'm mentally unhinged. Occam's razor says that all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one. Which is more likely? I'm bat shit crazy and the wise things I say are a fluke, or Steven and I just don't get along and have conflicting views?

I think you know the answer. I'm OK with agreeing to disagree because it preserves everyone's right to speak. Only Steven tries to subjugate his opponents with little kid games like this.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

I'm considered one of the most stable people around

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[BellaBellucci]

This is not tightrope walking, it's bitterness embodied. You fell off the rope and you're hoping for a safety net.

Stating your point once makes it clear, stating it twice is slightly irritating, but you're doing it in every Grooby-related thread.

Did I mention (repeatedly) that I didn't start this? Why yes I did.

That's not fair. I'm sorry if it seems like I've brought too many political ads to the board, but I'm allowed to have an opinion without the nasty attacks. I'm not bitter. I'm just trying to make a point to as many people as possible which is the point of a protest.

If all of the positive things I've done, like contributing to these forums, building websites for both community individuals and Total-TG social networking (3 times to get it right I might add), and helping to promote other girls and local clubs without profit are being overlooked, then that would explain your position. But add them to the big picture and it becomes a much different picture indeed.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

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Hi Amy. You're right on schedule. :geek:

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

Hi Amy. You're right on schedule. :geek:

~BB~
whats up pimp daddy

[BellaBellucci]

whats up pimp daddy

You better git in where you fit in. :dancing:

So you honestly think this was me, huh?

YouTube - Pimpin' Snooky - "Let Me Pimp Or Let Me Die" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q8zcdjvshQ)

You're a mess!

~BB~

PS: Love your avatar. Haven't I seen that costume on at least 2 other girls in the last couple of months? Mandy Mitchell was one. I'd have to look around for the other. Didn't you also do a shoot in which you wore black lingerie against orange background? Didn't I do that same thing the week before? That's what I thought.

[AmyDaly]

You better git in where you fit in. :dancing:

So you honestly think this was me, huh?

You're a mess!

~BB~
I'm a mess? Look in the mirror you failure. Everyone hates you.

And honestly, I have no idea what you shot in. I guess I could go through the 4 shoots that you have done and see, but I'd prefer not to look at you. Glad to hear you follow me though.

You're so jealous of everyone. Its great.

[BellaBellucci]

I'm a mess? Look in the mirror you failure. Everyone hates you.

OMG! Who's everyone? Grooby?! WTF is wrong with you?!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, but supposedly I'm bitter. I'm the only one not insulting anyone.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

You're so jealous of everyone. Its great.

Where? In a parallel universe where I value Prada over pride? I don't want anything from anybody except respect for trans-people, and that doesn't stop at porn just because marginalizing porn stars is an 'accepted' practice. When have I ever expressed a desire to take anything else out of this situation? Name ONE time.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

If nobody respects you, you will not accomplish anything. That is your problem. You go about things wrong. I can put myself in your shoes and see why you would be pissed off and have the issues that you do, but I would not handle it like you do. You certainly can not think that you handle things well. Drama just follows you. Why is that? Its not a good thing.

[Clone 0101]

OMG! Who's everyone? Grooby?! WTF is wrong with you?!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, but supposedly I'm bitter. I'm the only one not insulting anyone.

~BB~

This is a back lash of your wonderful behavior... You never insulted anyone??? People who live in glass houses...

[BellaBellucci]

This is a back lash of your wonderful behavior... You never insulted anyone??? People who live in glass houses...

... are those who resort to insults because their cause is weak, and no, I haven't done that. D'oh!

But your cliche platitudes are hysterical!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

If nobody respects you, you will not accomplish anything. That is your problem. You go about things wrong. I can put myself in your shoes and see why you would be pissed off and have the issues that you do, but I would not handle it like you do. You certainly can not think that you handle things well. Drama just follows you. Why is that? Its not a good thing.

Wow. Is that something approaching understanding? Maybe that's all I wanted all along. Have you, Steven or Buddy ever considered that? I don't want to place blame because it's totally arguable as a 'chicken and egg' thing, but it's that lack of understanding that has made me frustrated.

'Thank you,' she says cautiously.

And drama follows me because I stand for what I believe in, not because I'm some miserable, unlikable human being. There's really nothing more to that. I'm always good to people who are good to me.

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

... are those who resort to insults because their cause is weak, and no, I haven't done that. D'oh!

But your cliche platitudes are hysterical!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

~BB~

Youre a fine one to be talking about cliche's you know with that grown out mullet and your obvious ink marks of trying to fit in. You look like you spent the better part of the late 80's trying to fit in with the boys and smoking pot at GNR concerts thinking your oh so rad.

[BellaBellucci]

Youre a fine one to be talking about cliche's you know with that grown out mullet and your obvious ink marks of trying to fit in. You look like you spent the better part of the late 80's trying to fit in with the boys and smoking pot at GNR concerts thinking your oh so rad.

Me at concerts in the 80's?! Geez lady, how old do you think I am? :lol:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Me at concerts in the 80's?! Geez lady, how old do you think I am? :lol:

~BB~

Judging by that mug I would say you were of legal age back then and considering how dated that hair style and tattoos are.

[BellaBellucci]

Judging by that mug I would say you were of legal age back then and considering how dated that hair style and tattoos are.

Wait. This is the part where I'm supposed to call you names back, right? I don't do that. And here I thought you knew me so well. :lol:

~BB~

[Clone 0101]

Wait. This is the part where I'm supposed to call you names back, right? I don't do that. And here I thought you knew me so well. :lol:

~BB~

I didnt call you names silly... I just summed up your physical appearance of why I thought you were legal in the late 80's :D

[rockabilly]

Bella is a Poison fan.

"Talk dirty to me." :)

[Clone 0101]

Bella is a Poison fan.

"Talk dirty to me." :)

Yucky:whistle:

[Crawler]

who's the Blonde Goddess? i'd fly up to play with that Deliciousness!!