AS a TS or a customer of ts escorts do you feel you are part of the gay cummunity?

[natina]

AS a TS or a customer of ts escorts do you feel you are part of the gay community?

[lisaparadise]

AS a TS or a customer of ts escorts do you feel you are part of the gay community? personally i dont but thats maybe because i live in a small town but i know in the big cities drag queens and gays and trans are i big part of the community.

[Prospero]

In Britain there are plenty of non-scene transgendered women who are 100 per cent NOT part of the Gay scene. But there are also many for whom the Gay scene is a safe and congenial setting. As to my identity. Well its a recurring them in here, isn't it. Are the men who enjoy sex with transgendered women gay or not. Dunno. Simple truth is I find the notion of sex with a man presenting as a man repellent, but I have had sex with TVs as well as TGs and with biological girls- so where do I fit into the spectrum. Personally I like to think the world would be adult enough to acknowledge that people are complex and don't need labelling. Sexuality is also complex. Some men like to be tied up and beaten up, pissed on or worse. That's a choice and if they enjoy it and it hurts no one - what's the big deal.
For TG women it isn't so much a choice - they are resolving their identities and trying to be themselves in a world that makes that hard. For us men who like them - well as I say I don't care if someone sees me as gay. I am who I am.

[phobun]

Another dumb poll.

You're the James Hunt of zombie crossdressers.

[giovanni_hotel]

I was talking to an Aussie chick online recently who told me that anyone who engages in homo/bi/ or trans sexual relations, or is gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered is a part of the 'queer' community.

She lumped them all in together, so if a str8 man exchanges spit and bodily fluids with a tgirl, he's 'queer'.
I told her that queer in the U.S. meant IMO gay/homo, but that wasn't how she read it.

Basically, since coming to terms and acting on my intense attraction for trans-women, I feel I have a greater awareness and empathy for issues directly affecting the general gay/transgendered community.

I don't see two sides anymore to the question about whether or not gay/transgendered people should be allowed to legally marry, for instance.
I'm not marching in any parades anytime soon, but I do try to speak the truth on issues when I'm with people who're stereotyping or generalizing about the trans-community.

[sucka4chix]

Another dumb poll.

You're the James Hunt of zombie crossdressers.
Actually I wish many guys would respond so the people living in dreamland could see where guys heads are really at!

[hippifried]

I don't like the idea of niche categories.

[BellaBellucci]

No, I don't feel like I'm part of the gay community although I do have plenty of friends within it. As far as the poll is concerned: where is 'none of the above?'

~BB~

[BrendaQG]

None of the choices really reflected what I really feel on this.

We are part of the overall queer community...yet we are not the same as the other groups. Transpeople who are attracted to the same gender Transbians, and gay transmen are of course part of the queer family. If someone's not either of those things, especially if they pass, then no that person is not really queer in any practical way.

[fred41]

I was talking to an Aussie chick online recently who told me that anyone who engages in homo/bi/ or trans sexual relations, or is gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered is a part of the 'queer' community.

She lumped them all in together, so if a str8 man exchanges spit and bodily fluids with a tgirl, he's 'queer'.
I told her that queer in the U.S. meant IMO gay/homo, but that wasn't how she read it.

Basically, since coming to terms and acting on my intense attraction for trans-women, I feel I have a greater awareness and empathy for issues directly affecting the general gay/transgendered community.

I don't see two sides anymore to the question about whether or not gay/transgendered people should be allowed to legally marry, for instance.
I'm not marching in any parades anytime soon, but I do try to speak the truth on issues when I'm with people who're stereotyping or generalizing about the trans-community.


When I was an occasional client I would have responded with a definite "no"...but in dating and now having a relationship within the Ts community I would have to say that at the very least I'm skirting the edges of the gay community...if for the only reason that very many of my GF acquaintances and friends are gay...so now mine are also. I'll always be somewhat of an outsider there too but that's Okay..pretty much goes along with my personality...
When I read your quote GH, it kind of struck a cord because I've had a big change in my over all perspective also. I now see a lot of social issues differently. When I was younger I'd probably be against ...or at the very least-on the fence about things such as gay marriage...now I vocally support it as much as I can....and I don't tolerate any hurtful homophobic statements made by friends or family members or co-workers. I'm still a bit of a dickhead so I'll occasionally still say something stupid but it's never intentional or meant to offend. I realize that I'm oversimplifying...but it's the only way I can explain it so it makes sense in a more direct way.

I guess if I had a relationship with a girl who, as a surprise to me , turned out to be a TS and remained in complete stealth only interacting with the hetero community..it probably wouldn't have affected my personality all that much....but that's not who I am.

Now...if by the OP you meant to ask "if I now consider myself gay or Bi..?"...then i really don't have an answer for you. I no longer care about such things...I'll let some of you self-tortured folks, lurkers and arm chair psychologists battle that one out. I'm comfortable with myself and I like whatever I like...i suggest some of you learn to do the same.

[peggygee]

AS a TS or a customer of ts escorts do you feel you are part of the gay community?


For me, the answer is no.

Gender identity and sexual orientation are two very different entities.

It is my opinion that the "T" was tacked on by the LGB as an after-
thought, to bolster their ranks.

The LGB movement rarely has the interests of the transcommunity in mind

[TsVanessa69]

I am not homosexual, I am transgendered.
And I deal with straight men.

[TsVanessa69]

For me, the answer is no.

Gender identity and sexual orientation are two very different entities.

It is my opinion that the "T" was tacked on by the LGB as an after-
thought, to bolster their ranks.

The LGB movement rarely has the interests of the transcommunity in mind
THANK YOU!
I totally agree.
Gays don't really like trans anayway.
Freddie Gomez who now posts here was one of many gay men to bash and disrespect trans woman on a gay forum.

[bigpapi81]

yes i think so, but i will never apologize for loving tsgirls, people want to call me gay i'm fine with that i don't care

[fred41]

Some of the TS may not feel they are part of the community because they are women...however, if you are TS and into other women (or other TS)...then you are a member of the gay community...maybe just not an active participant in it.

[BellaBellucci]

Some of the TS may not feel they are part of the community because they are women...however, if you are TS and into other women (or other TS)...then you are a member of the gay community...maybe just not an active participant in it.

I beg to differ. If you are a transbian or gay transman, you may be part of the gay 'class' of people, but being part of a 'community' requires the appropriate self identification as well as participation in that community.

~BB~

[fred41]

I beg to differ. If you are a transbian or gay transman, you may be part of the gay 'class' of people, but being part of a 'community' requires the appropriate self identification as well as participation in that community.

~BB~

Well..it's kinda hard to say what the OP actually meant...would've been easier if he just asked the usual "are you gay"..or are you an "active" participant in that community...or whatever...
..cause you can be homosexual without being a member of the gay community...but I don't think that's what he meant.

..but to take the word "community" out for a moment...if you are TS and like other TS (or women) pretty much exclusively....then you are gay. If you like them part of the time...you are Bi.

[TsVanessa69]

http://mediatakeout.com/44373/id.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4cc355a962495c9c%2C0&ref=nf

[natina]

straight gossip! total bullshit

if there was a violation you could go to the police and they would get the DNA evidence and all that shit

there is no gains from putting this stuff up on utube/mediatakeout/facebook/myspace

[natina]

anal sex/oral sex with a person with the same organs

as you is part of the gay comunity.:iagree::fuckin:

[dreamon]

why are people so concerned with whether liking TS is gay or not. Just do what you enjoy and makes you happy. Let other people worry about labels.

[Jericho]

anal sex/oral sex with a person with the same organs

as you is part of the gay comunity.:iagree::fuckin:

Does that include Liver and Kidneys? :rolleyes:

[natina]

if your liver our your kidneys or filled with silicone and failing to function properly as a result

you are probably most likely part of the gay community

[Jericho]

if your liver our your kidneys or filled with silicone and failing to function properly as a result
you are probably most likely part of the gay community

Yeah, right, and I'm part of the Huntin' Shootin' and Fishin' community because i once carried a rifle.

[TsVanessa69]

anal sex/oral sex with a person with the same organs

as you is part of the gay comunity.:iagree::fuckin:
Thats some bullshit.
As a trans woman living in the REAL world I have to disagree.
See as a gay person you are focused on genitals.
My genitals do not identify who I am, just how I would reproduce.
I deal with hetrosexual men who like exotic WOMAN.
I am a woman who happens to be trans.
But since when is sex between a man and a WOMAN gay?

[BellaBellucci]

Thats some bullshit.
As a trans woman living in the REAL world I have to disagree.
See as a gay person you are focused on genitals.
My genitals do not identify who I am, just how I would reproduce.
I deal with hetrosexual men who like exotic WOMAN.
I am a woman who happens to be trans.
But since when is sex between a man and a WOMAN gay?

:iagree:, but :trolls.

~BB~

[giovanni_hotel]

anal sex/oral sex with a person with the same organs

as you is part of the gay comunity.:iagree::fuckin:

.........:(

[rockabilly]

Natina is right ... If you read the "Gay Community Charter" chapter 6 article 9 paragraph 7 subsection J "anal and oral copulation between partners w/ matching genitalia is sanctioned as Gay by our community standards."

[rockabilly]

However Nat failed to read the fine print following that clearly has the "Transgendered Magnum Impunity" or TMI clause ... sometimes called the "Tranny Clause" that states sex between a man and woman cannot be gay.

Sooo what have we learned .... that i was very bored and wanted to get creative before work.

Goodnight HA keep it real.

[LaCosa]

I was talking to an Aussie chick online recently who told me that anyone who engages in homo/bi/ or trans sexual relations, or is gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered is a part of the 'queer' community.

She lumped them all in together, so if a str8 man exchanges spit and bodily fluids with a tgirl, he's 'queer'.
I told her that queer in the U.S. meant IMO gay/homo, but that wasn't how she read it.

Basically, since coming to terms and acting on my intense attraction for trans-women, I feel I have a greater awareness and empathy for issues directly affecting the general gay/transgendered community.

I don't see two sides anymore to the question about whether or not gay/transgendered people should be allowed to legally marry, for instance.
I'm not marching in any parades anytime soon, but I do try to speak the truth on issues when I'm with people who're stereotyping or generalizing about the trans-community.

In Brazil... I've read as well as having been told... the only one "gay" is the "catcher" not the "pitcher."

You can kiss 2 or 3 tranny girls and not be viewed as gay. Here in the U.S. you're likely to viewed as gay though.

[phobun]

I am not homosexual, I am transgendered.
And I deal with straight men.


YouTube - Richard Nixon, Larry Craig & Christine O'Donnell (The Lady Doth Protest) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEWQ_CWtsIE)

[natina]

I NEEDED that clip about a month ago. it would of been perfect for something I posted




what are the TOP TEN SIGNS that show that you are gay
if you are a man are where born a man?




what are the TOP TEN SIGNS that show that you are gay
if you are a woman are where born a woman?





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[scroller]

why are people so concerned with whether liking TS is gay or not. Just do what you enjoy and makes you happy. Let other people worry about labels.

There are people who can (a) keep their religion and (b) bang who they want and (c) not think they're going to hell -- but only if their banging qualifies as non-"gay".

In fact, that's most of the people in the world. Which is why this will continue to come up.

[arnie666]

While me having sex with pre op ladyboy escorts may be suspect, judging by the state of women that some men decide to date or even marry, they are suspect also. They are in my opinon, not only more masculine looking but seem to try and emulate the worst examples of men. The beer swilling 'lads', who urinate in streets, and get into punchups.Drunken Scum who attack nurses and doctors in hospitals who are trying to help them.Who often become like weak kittens with cops show up. Now we also have laddettes ,who are just as bad.

So I would put it to anyone who found out about my liking for ladyboy cock and arse, that these men are more likely to be practicing homosexuals than me. Because I love not just very pretty women but women who act like women.I would never spend time with a woman who acted like a man,let alone go into a relationship with one.The ladyboys I have slept with ,with give many of the most attractive specimins of women I have dated a run for their money. I dont regard myself of part of any gay 'community' because I like women, and I don't regard anything I get up to as any more homosexual than being in bed with a woman who has a strap on.

[LaCosa]

There are people who can (a) keep their religion and (b) bang who they want and (c) not think they're going to hell -- but only if their banging qualifies as non-"gay".

In fact, that's most of the people in the world. Which is why this will continue to come up.

I don't think peoples objection to homosexuality is simply reducible to religion. For many people - right or wrong - male homosexuality is associated with weakness and dishonor.

For example, it's against the rules of the Sicilian mafia to engage in homosexual sex. In Peter Robbs book "Midnight in Sicily" he points out a case in which a lawyer for a Palermo mob soldier argued in court, his client could not be an inducted "Man of Honor" because he had sex and romance with more than one Palermo transsexual. Several transsexuals testified in court.

It's against the rules of gangs like the Gangster Disciples and Latin Kings to be engaged in homosexual sex too.

Italian and Brazilian culture seems to have been more influenced by the ancient Roman culture of viewing "gay men" as the "catchers" and not the "pitchers." And many Brazilian transsexuals immigrate to Italy (and Sicily) to earn their wealth. Orthodox or traditional Judeo-Christian morality views promiscuity and sex with transsexuals as morally wrong - likely morally "grave." So, I don't think your proposition holds much weight.

The Italian culture in particular has a long bisexual history. For centuries the rest of Europe viewed Italians as sodomites that neither cared if the persons they sodomized were male or female. The Spanish (for a long time the conservative peers of the Italians) blamed the Italians for bringing the vice of sodomy to the collective region of Espana. LOL.

But really... the Italians were bisexual (like the Japanese Samurai) one could generalize. Read about them cats in the 1600's. The atheist United States today is more conservative than them cats. All those Italian Renaissance Painters were fucking young men and teenage boys. Some like Leonardo Da Vinci were outright pedophiles of boys. Gay male prostitution was more accepted in Rome in the 1600's than it is in New York City in the year 2010. In fact prostitution was legal in the Papal States but confined to specific quarters. In contrast it is wholly illegal in New York City today. But then both St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas taught that prostitution though a vice, should not be made illegal. And although religious paintings Caravaggio did used real life female prostitutes. The one with the Boy With a Basket of Fruit... used the real life boy he was sodomizing. Leonardo Da Vinci and his famous "Last Supper" painting made the Apostle John look womanish not because it was Mary Magdalene but because Leonardo liked screwing effeminate males. This is all well known to art historians.

And according to Peter Robb, modern transsexualism was birthed in the once cosmopolitan port city of Naples centuries ago.

I don't know if one considers the modern day City of Chicago more "religious" than the City of Rome during the 1600's or not? I don't.

Furthermore, being homosexual (meaning sexual orientation and not sexual acts) is being sexually attracted to men - to the physique of men. Transsexuals do not look like men. At least not all of them.

[LaCosa]

While me having sex with pre op ladyboy escorts may be suspect, judging by the state of women that some men decide to date or even marry, they are suspect also. They are in my opinon, not only more masculine looking but seem to try and emulate the worst examples of men. The beer swilling 'lads', who urinate in streets, and get into punchups.Drunken Scum who attack nurses and doctors in hospitals who are trying to help them.Who often become like weak kittens with cops show up. Now we also have laddettes ,who are just as bad.

So I would put it to anyone who found out about my liking for ladyboy cock and arse, that these men are more likely to be practicing homosexuals than me. Because I love not just very pretty women but women who act like women.I would never spend time with a woman who acted like a man,let alone go into a relationship with one.The ladyboys I have slept with ,with give many of the most attractive specimins of women I have dated a run for their money. I dont regard myself of part of any gay 'community' because I like women, and I don't regard anything I get up to as any more homosexual than being in bed with a woman who has a strap on.

Ha! Interesting perspective, Arnie. :)

[smithken]

i think ts are sexy as hell and yet a dude could have the same cock and i wont be turned on one bit.

[natina]

Getting the answers