Transsexual who won't see black clients? Racist or Safety Measure?

[www.tglovers.com]

So I was reading this story about the suspects in the shooting of Transsexual, Victoria Carmen White (Click here for the story (http://cerebraldiva.blogspot.com/2010/10/two-new-jersey-killings-investigated-as.html)). Before looking at the photos of the suspects...I had my fingers crossed that they would not be African American (they were).

I know a lot of girls who work as escort refuse to see African American Males and I am beginning to understand why.

Do you consider this to be racist or a safety measure?

Because a lot of the girls who will not see black guys professionally, will date them in a non-professional capacity.
YouTube - Black Men Love/Hate Relationship with transsexuals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhpofTgb6o)

[Jericho]

Hmmm, i'm thinking...

[JP Ewing]

Violence is violence... there are violent people of all races. I lived with a GG escort for about a year, and she would have other escorts hanging out at the house a lot, and I'd hear them talk about their clients. A number of them refuse to see black clients and it had nothing to do with safety.

The main reason was because their black clients tended to either be a no call/no show, short them money, push hard for discounts, or push for them to do services that were not on their menu. I'm not saying all black men are this way. But these girls had years of experience escorting, and they tend to talk with each other about good and bad clients. Some of these girls were black themselves.

Most of the experienced escorts ask for references (regardless of race). If a black guy came to them with references from other girls, they would see them.

[lisaparadise]

So I was reading this story about the suspects in the shooting of Transsexual, Victoria Carmen White (Click here for the story (http://cerebraldiva.blogspot.com/2010/10/two-new-jersey-killings-investigated-as.html)). Before looking at the photos of the suspects...I had my fingers crossed that they would not be African American (they were).



I know a lot of girls who work as escort refuse to see African American Males and I am beginning to understand why.


Do you consider this to be racist or a safety measure?


Because a lot of the girls who will not see black guys professionally, will date them in a non-professional capacity.
YouTube - Black Men Love/Hate Relationship with transsexuals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhpofTgb6o)
honestly i just dont get it our black guys in canada are so cool with us never and violence period are black guys different in the U.S.? it sounds like they are but i dont get why though.

[www.tglovers.com]

Violence is violence... there are violent people of all races. I lived with a GG escort for about a year, and she would have other escorts hanging out at the house a lot, and I'd hear them talk about their clients. A number of them refuse to see black clients and it had nothing to do with safety.

The main reason was because their black clients tended to either be a no call/no show, short them money, push hard for discounts, or push for them to do services that were not on their menu. I'm not saying all black men are this way. But these girls had years of experience escorting, and they tend to talk with each other about good and bad clients. Some of these girls were black themselves.

Most of the experienced escorts ask for references (regardless of race). If a black guy came to them with references from other girls, they would see them.
I know my friends...who refuse to see black guys are black girls.

[www.tglovers.com]

honestly i just dont get it our black guys in canada are so cool with us never and violence period are black guys different in the U.S.? it sounds like they are but i dont get why though.
Its a very homophobic/trans-phobic culture in the U.S. and black men are raised to be Hyper-masculine. That is why I believe a lot of them have trouble with their attraction to transsexuals and act out in violence as a means of proving their dislike.

[south ov da border]

I'm black and have loved trans my whole life, but most black guys I know are so homo-phobic it's scary, I think it might have to do with the overly Christian upbringing amongst other things. I've never been with one but maybe one day, if I don't get turned down...

[lisaparadise]

I'm black and have loved trans my whole life, but most black guys I know are so homo-phobic it's scary, I think it might have to do with the overly Christian upbringing amongst other things. I've never been with one but maybe one day, if I don't get turned down...what city do you live in

[south ov da border]

Was in Miami, now in Orlando Fl...

[TSLexiWade]

Violence is violence... there are violent people of all races. I lived with a GG escort for about a year, and she would have other escorts hanging out at the house a lot, and I'd hear them talk about their clients. A number of them refuse to see black clients and it had nothing to do with safety.

The main reason was because their black clients tended to either be a no call/no show, short them money, push hard for discounts, or push for them to do services that were not on their menu. I'm not saying all black men are this way. But these girls had years of experience escorting, and they tend to talk with each other about good and bad clients. Some of these girls were black themselves.

Most of the experienced escorts ask for references (regardless of race). If a black guy came to them with references from other girls, they would see them.


Very well stated, JP. I would have to agree with this statement. To me, it's simply a preference... however, there are a select few in which I have met with and had a great time with. .

I know from MY experiences, when they tend to call our numbers, the first words out of their mouths are usually pretty ugh. Idk how else to put it - just here in Houston, they lack manners and proper phone etiquette.

[south ov da border]

Very well stated, JP. I would have to agree with this statement. To me, it's simply a preference... however, there are a select few in which I have met with and had a great time with. .

I know from MY experiences, when they tend to call our numbers, the first words out of their mouths are usually pretty ugh. Idk how else to put it - just here in Houston, they lack manners and proper phone etiquette.



I agree with the lack of etiquette. I am proper spoken as raised from young and I always got called white boy...

[giovanni_hotel]

Why throw bombs on purpose on HA, tglover???

THe #1 suspect in the murder of Stacy, from Philly, was a 'hulking WHITE man' seen leaving her rowhouse.
The implication that trans-escorts are at a higher risk of violence from Black and non-white johns is intellectually dishonest.

For those girls who succumb to violence, I would assume most were victims of family members or close intimate associates ( non-professional).
This BS that ALL escorts would be safe from violent encounters if they avoided Black clients in delusional, IMO.
Still a girl should and MUST do whatever she can to be and feel SAFE, whether than means never seeing a client without someone you know close by, pre-screening clients, ( which I have been and makes perfect sense BTW!), having a taser or other weapon stashed in the room, etc.

But to say, hmm, 'John Doe's complexion is a little too dark, PASS,' is setting up a girl for having her head caved in by Beaver Cleaver because you cut his BJ short by a couple minutes.

From my understanding, the deaths in NJ weren't professional dates that went 'bad'. It sounds like these girls met these guys socially, possibly rejected these men, and they went off.
So does that mean a girl should avoid all Black men in any social situations???
Look, most Black people are victims of violence from other Black folks. I'm sure it's the case for other racial/ethnic groups also.
If a girl makes a habit of seeing DL thug types and fuccing with them, she's probably putting herself at risk. Or someone who's deeply closeted and has a difficult time processing even being intimate with a transgendered woman.

To simplify the problem and distill it to down to one superficial physical trait, one's skin color, is just dumb.

But really, do what you feel you must. A Black john might be initially offended for being rejected because of his race alone, but many of us could give a shit.

Just remember the first time you get roughed up by a white cop, or a puerto rican dude refuses to pay because the ass wasn't tight enough, or John Smith in the two-piece gives you drama and starts raising his voice at you, recall that the problem isn't about 'race'.

It's about personality type.

BTW, these type of threads every couple months do a lot for the drama quotient on HA, but they're a waste of time.

( I should delete this post!!!;))

[bte]

Its the escort choice about who they want to see. I don't think its racist. Some white girls are just not attracted to black guys. It happens, that doesn't make the person racist. It just a matter of preference. Now if they are doing it for a safety measure, then thats stupid. One race is not prone more to violence than another race. The "Craiglist Killer" was white.

I agree with Giovanni Hotel, its all about personality.

[www.tglovers.com]

Why throw bombs on purpose on HA, tglover???

THe #1 suspect in the murder of Stacy, from Philly, was a 'hulking WHITE man' seen leaving her rowhouse.
The implication that trans-escorts are at a higher risk of violence from Black and non-white johns is intellectually dishonest.

For those girls who succumb to violence, I would assume most were victims of family members or close intimate associates ( non-professional).
This BS that ALL escorts would be safe from violent encounters if they avoided Black clients in delusional, IMO.
Still a girl should and MUST do whatever she can to be and feel SAFE, whether than means never seeing a client without someone you know close by, pre-screening clients, ( which I have been and makes perfect sense BTW!), having a taser or other weapon stashed in the room, etc.

But to say, hmm, 'John Doe's complexion is a little too dark, PASS,' is setting up a girl for having her head caved in by Beaver Cleaver because you cut his BJ short by a couple minutes.

From my understanding, the deaths in NJ weren't professional dates that went 'bad'. It sounds like these girls met these guys socially, possibly rejected these men, and they went off.
So does that mean a girl should avoid all Black men in any social situations???
Look, most Black people are victims of violence from other Black folks. I'm sure it's the case for other racial/ethnic groups also.
If a girl makes a habit of seeing DL thug types and fuccing with them, she's probably putting herself at risk. Or someone who's deeply closeted and has a difficult time processing even being intimate with a transgendered woman.

To simplify the problem and distill it to down to one superficial physical trait, one's skin color, is just dumb.

But really, do what you feel you must. A Black john might be initially offended for being rejected because of his race alone, but many of us could give a shit.

Just remember the first time you get roughed up by a white cop, or a puerto rican dude refuses to pay because the ass wasn't tight enough, or John Smith in the two-piece gives you drama and starts raising his voice at you, recall that the problem isn't about 'race'.

It's about personality type.

BTW, these type of threads every couple months do a lot for the drama quotient on HA, but they're a waste of time.

( I should delete this post!!!;))
Its a question....were all adults? How its considered a "Bomb", I'm not sure.

Racism is a part of the world we live in. So why is it not up for discussion?

If you watched the video you would know it wasn't "simplified". Its a fact that black men have been raised in a manner that breeds homophobia. Of course its not exclusive to black men but as a black woman, I speak from my personal experiences.

By the way....if you want to delete it...delete it!

As if you deleting it would be the end of my world.

[Silcc69]

Its a question....were all adults? How its considered a "Bomb", I'm not sure.

Racism is a part of the world we live in. So why is it not up for discussion?

If you watched the video you would know it wasn't "simplified". Its a fact that black men have been raised in a manner that breeds homophobia. Of course its not exclusive to black men but as a black woman, I speak from my personal experiences.

You essentially beating a dead horse. This topic comes up damn near all the time and that is what G was talkin about.

[Prospero]

An escort in London I used to know was nearly killed by a middle class middle aged white client. Another beaten up by a young white guy. So violence doesn't relate to skin colour.
That said there is a disturbing bias towards homophobia among young west indians in the UK - spurred on in part by some rap artistes. Hatred of gay and transgender people also comes from religion - fundamentalist Islam and Christianity are particularly culpable.
I knew another London escort who lived in a preponderantly Moslem area and she would get death threats made quite regularly when she came and went from her flat.

[www.tglovers.com]

You essentially beating a dead horse. This topic comes up damn near all the time and that is what G was talkin about.
That's not what he said. Tons of topics come up repeatedly on this board.

[bte]

Although I think she is beating a dead horse. This thread is a lot more interesting than those "I finally realize why I like trannies (even though I've been a member since 2007)" threads that have been popping up the last week or so.

[FreddieGomez]

get ready for paris to turn this thread all about her........

[smithken]

ehh the R word gets thrown too much. basically depends how ur brought up as a child. alot inter city black children have it rough and have a hardtime breaking into the real world. was it just a hood robbery? or just a hate murder?

[alyssaluxor]

get ready for paris to turn this thread all about her........

just want to say i like your avatar and seeing your whole body? you have more pics or any profile somewhere i could see more pics of you sweetie baby boy? :kiss:

[scroller]

I am proper spoken as raised from young...

Good lord.

[tsparisangelline]

So I was reading this story about the suspects in the shooting of Transsexual, Victoria Carmen White (Click here for the story (http://cerebraldiva.blogspot.com/2010/10/two-new-jersey-killings-investigated-as.html)). Before looking at the photos of the suspects...I had my fingers crossed that they would not be African American (they were).

I know a lot of girls who work as escort refuse to see African American Males and I am beginning to understand why.

Do you consider this to be racist or a safety measure?

Because a lot of the girls who will not see black guys professionally, will date them in a non-professional capacity.
YouTube - Black Men Love/Hate Relationship with transsexuals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhpofTgb6o)


lol, so true.

Of course I do see black men now, but I require a pic just to verify how they look.

[tsparisangelline]

Its the escort choice about who they want to see. I don't think its racist. Some white girls are just not attracted to black guys. It happens, that doesn't make the person racist. It just a matter of preference. Now if they are doing it for a safety measure, then thats stupid. One race is not prone more to violence than another race. The "Craiglist Killer" was white.

I agree with Giovanni Hotel, its all about personality.

Trust me I know for a fact, very FEW white transsexuals DO NOT find black men attractive.


get ready for paris to turn this thread all about her........

yawn


Violence is violence... there are violent people of all races. I lived with a GG escort for about a year, and she would have other escorts hanging out at the house a lot, and I'd hear them talk about their clients. A number of them refuse to see black clients and it had nothing to do with safety.

The main reason was because their black clients tended to either be a no call/no show, short them money, push hard for discounts, or push for them to do services that were not on their menu. I'm not saying all black men are this way. But these girls had years of experience escorting, and they tend to talk with each other about good and bad clients. Some of these girls were black themselves.

Most of the experienced escorts ask for references (regardless of race). If a black guy came to them with references from other girls, they would see them.


TRUE!

[FreddieGomez]

just want to say i like your avatar and seeing your whole body? you have more pics or any profile somewhere i could see more pics of you sweetie baby boy? :kiss:

thanks ma. lemme inbox it to you..

but trust me i got a nice body. i'ma pretty athletic dude, i lift weights...i'm 5'8 and about 160lbs..

[FreddieGomez]

alyssa i jus peeped the vid of you in the pink bra and panties on your youtube channel...damn you so beautiful ma...lovin everything

[sugdaddie69]

It couldn't be safety..since most TS killed are killed by non-blacks

[Ryz]

Its the escort choice about who they want to see. I don't think its racist. Some white girls are just not attracted to black guys. It happens, that doesn't make the person racist. It just a matter of preference. Now if they are doing it for a safety measure, then thats stupid. One race is not prone more to violence than another race. The "Craiglist Killer" was white.

I agree with Giovanni Hotel, its all about personality.

But I guess they're attracted to all those old men eh?

[gooch]

But I guess they're attracted to all those old men eh?

:dead: :yayo:

[gooch]

But seriously name some of these horror stories of black men girls. I want to hear them

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Jennifer Paris and I were sitting at Sunny's party last night and we both noticed the growing number of African & African-American males attending; it was cool because you hear all of these stories about these so-called friends of girls that post here who don't see African or African-American males but here you had Jennifer saying it was about time, and how she has no preference to color. Very respectable.........

Hearing it from her made me question the dames who turn these guys down. I mean let's be honest alot of the women who play the race card aren't exactly the type of women many of you guys want to be bothered paying for (in the looks dept.).......whatever nationality you are. They spew their racism onto the good looking and/or humble women you DO want to see and then your session sucks due to fear..........gotdayum shame!!!!!!!

There's also another side to this racist bullshit that is never mentioned, sometimes it's mainly based on skintone more so than nationality. The darker the male the more these ugly racist heathens will reject, yet a fairer skinned guy of ethnicity gets a pass because he is deemed "presentable"............

-JWBL

[DL_NL]

It used to be 'amigay', now it's 'amiblack'?

[TSMichelleAustin]

When setting up appointments on the phone I never know who is black or white or what not. There are a few that fool you, where I am from we call them "Carleton's" but I have seen a few black men in my escort days, who were well mannored, well groomed and very polite. Then I have seen the ghetto ones that can not speak well and try to short change you and that has been the same with ghetto white guys too! I don't think of race when accepting appointments, if your polite and educated on the phone and can speak proper English we will have a good time! When you start shuddering and talking like you are talking to your boys in the hood, is when I have a problem. I grew up around tons of black people, I even attended an all black college, so No reason to be racist. I personally am not attracted to a black man but I sure can show him a good time when he is paying for my time. Majority of the time its black men who hit on me in public anyways! LOL! I am flattered but it's when they act stupid that I get aggravated. I had a regular black client last night come over. I never think of security when people come over, when I start thinking someone can hurt or kill me, it shows on my face. SO I look at every guy coming over as a friend and it works well for me.

[peggygee]

When setting up appointments on the phone I never know who is black or white or what not.

There are a few that fool you, where I am from we call them "Carleton's" but I have seen a few black men in my escort days, who were well mannored, well groomed and very polite.

Then I have seen the ghetto ones that can not speak well and try to short change you and that has been the same with ghetto white guys too! I don't think of race when accepting appointments, if your polite and educated on the phone and can speak proper English we will have a good time! When you start shuddering and talking like you are talking to your boys in the hood, is when I have a problem. I grew up around tons of black people, I even attended an all black college, so No reason to be racist. I personally am not attracted to a black man but I sure can show him a good time when he is paying for my time. Majority of the time its black men who hit on me in public anyways! LOL! I am flattered but it's when they act stupid that I get aggravated. I had a regular black client last night come over. I never think of security when people come over, when I start thinking someone can hurt or kill me, it shows on my face. SO I look at every guy coming over as a friend and it works well for me.

:hitit

http://blogxilla.com/blog3/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/carlton-dance.gif

[dskreet2]

I (black male) wasn't raised in a homphobic household! My friends in my black neighborhood were not raised in a homophobic household because they would have criticized every person that was gay. Because my friends CRITICIZED EVERYONE, Stick Lady, Lady in Haunted House, drunk man walking, neighbor that flashed all the boys every morning retrieving the newspaper that was never thrown near her house!!! In my neighborhood, the gay guys I knew were open, but not "flamboyant". They played sports, hide & go seek, two & four square, ring door bell and run, all the fun stuff. And many blacks have family members that are gay (brother, sister, cousin, etc). So, please don't generalize any race for any negativity, except a certain race of drivers!!! :) Just kidding!!!

[www.tglovers.com]

I (black male) wasn't raised in a homphobic household! My friends in my black neighborhood were not raised in a homophobic household because they would have criticized every person that was gay. Because my friends CRITICIZED EVERYONE, Stick Lady, Lady in Haunted House, drunk man walking, neighbor that flashed all the boys every morning retrieving the newspaper that was never thrown near her house!!! In my neighborhood, the gay guys I knew were open, but not "flamboyant". They played sports, hide & go seek, two & four square, ring door bell and run, all the fun stuff. And many blacks have family members that are gay (brother, sister, cousin, etc). So, please don't generalize any race for any negativity, except a certain race of drivers!!! :) Just kidding!!!
I have to ask where you grew up? I grew up in Chicago and while there were gay people in our neighborhood that everyone knew was gay...they were tormented and ridiculed. Don't even get me started on how people treated one of them when they learned that he was H.I.V. positive.... It was horrible. I remember being a kid and hearing how they treated him, knowing that I too was "different". So I hid and did my best to melt into the background for fear of being treated the same way.

I am sure kids of every ethnic origin go through these struggles in varying degrees. But based on my experiences black men are the most homophobic. I've seen gay people and transsexual walk down the street and no one says anything to them. But the moment they encounter a group of black men....all hell breaks loose.

I realize that not all black men behave in the same way but I also believe the African American culture is permeated with homophobia. American culture as a whole is homophobic but as an African American...I am more closely connected to the African American Experience.

[dskreet2]

I have to ask where you grew up? I grew up in Chicago and while there were gay people in our neighborhood that everyone knew was gay...they were tormented and ridiculed. Don't even get me started on how people treated one of them when they learned that he was H.I.V. positive.... It was horrible. I remember being a kid and hearing how they treated him, knowing that I too was "different". So I hid and did my best to melt into the background for fear of being treated the same way.

I am sure kids of every ethnic origin go through these struggles in varying degrees. But based on my experiences black men are the most homophobic. I've seen gay people and transsexual walk down the street and no one says anything to them. But the moment they encounter a group of black men....all hell breaks loose.

I realize that not all black men behave in the same way but I also believe the African American culture is permeated with homophobia. American culture as a whole is homophobic but as an African American...I am more closely connected to the African American Experience.

Chicago's southside in the Beverly\Morgan Park area. Its ok to disagree, I just don't think its fair to generalize. We laughed\giggled when we seen something different, who didn't growing up. But we didn't excessively taunt or bully anyone because we were taught respect. Now we did say "Yo Mama" jokes until you said one that was real or too close to real, which meant: "fight!!!" Our parents worked full-time jobs and you HAD to not only show them respect, but respect of neighbors. Many of the parents in our neighborhood grew-up together, served in the wars together or whatever, so we didn't get away with much when we were being bad!!!

[www.tglovers.com]

Chicago's southside in the Beverly\Morgan Park area. Its ok to disagree, I just don't think its fair to generalize. We laughed\giggled when we seen something different, who didn't growing up. But we didn't excessively taunt or bully anyone because we were taught respect. Now we did say "Yo Mama" jokes until you said one that was real or too close to real, which meant: "fight!!!" Our parents worked full-time jobs and you HAD to not only show them respect, but respect of neighbors. Many of the parents in our neighborhood grew-up together, served in the wars together or whatever, so we didn't get away with much when we were being bad!!!
I agree...its ok to disagree. The bottom line is perception is colored by experience. So if we have different experiences, we will have different perceptions. Its nice to have someone who can respond in a manner that is conducive to dialog as opposed to flying off the handle.

[alyssaluxor]

thanks ma. lemme inbox it to you..

but trust me i got a nice body. i'ma pretty athletic dude, i lift weights...i'm 5'8 and about 160lbs..

thanks sweetie baby boy looks yummy! uhmmm

:fuckin:

[LittleGuy]

Ts dont like black men.

[arnie666]

Take it from me with what I do for a living and also being a white man , I have no idea what goes in the states with your Blacks, but in the UK, the worst crimes on prostitutes on my patch involving violent assault ,murder and often sexual violence , the offender was a white man. Robbery and giving the girl a slap is more a Black/Asian man kind of scene but for real sick 'I hate the whores kind of violence ', look to a middle aged white man going through a mid life crisis.

[pasta2000]

Ts dont like black men.

True, only some black Ts's deal with black men.

[pasta2000]

Why throw bombs on purpose on HA, tglover???

THe #1 suspect in the murder of Stacy, from Philly, was a 'hulking WHITE man' seen leaving her rowhouse.
The implication that trans-escorts are at a higher risk of violence from Black and non-white johns is intellectually dishonest.

For those girls who succumb to violence, I would assume most were victims of family members or close intimate associates ( non-professional).
This BS that ALL escorts would be safe from violent encounters if they avoided Black clients in delusional, IMO.
Still a girl should and MUST do whatever she can to be and feel SAFE, whether than means never seeing a client without someone you know close by, pre-screening clients, ( which I have been and makes perfect sense BTW!), having a taser or other weapon stashed in the room, etc.

But to say, hmm, 'John Doe's complexion is a little too dark, PASS,' is setting up a girl for having her head caved in by Beaver Cleaver because you cut his BJ short by a couple minutes.

From my understanding, the deaths in NJ weren't professional dates that went 'bad'. It sounds like these girls met these guys socially, possibly rejected these men, and they went off.
So does that mean a girl should avoid all Black men in any social situations???
Look, most Black people are victims of violence from other Black folks. I'm sure it's the case for other racial/ethnic groups also.
If a girl makes a habit of seeing DL thug types and fuccing with them, she's probably putting herself at risk. Or someone who's deeply closeted and has a difficult time processing even being intimate with a transgendered woman.

To simplify the problem and distill it to down to one superficial physical trait, one's skin color, is just dumb.

But really, do what you feel you must. A Black john might be initially offended for being rejected because of his race alone, but many of us could give a shit.

Just remember the first time you get roughed up by a white cop, or a puerto rican dude refuses to pay because the ass wasn't tight enough, or John Smith in the two-piece gives you drama and starts raising his voice at you, recall that the problem isn't about 'race'.

It's about personality type.

BTW, these type of threads every couple months do a lot for the drama quotient on HA, but they're a waste of time.

( I should delete this post!!!;))


You're before you're time!

[sugdaddie69]

.................

[natina]

TIM WISE
talks about white violence because of the coping factor
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html (http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html)



Has Black Friday arrived in America? If so, are you prepared?

Actually, if you're a "white" American, there's a good chance that you're less prepared than other Americans. Emotionally that, is. And mentally. Maybe even physically.

As is so often the case, Tim Wise has explained well this common symptom of learning to be white:

Racism and white privilege/supremacy generates a mindset of entitlement among those in the dominant group. This entitlement mentality can prove dangerous, whenever the expectations of a member of the group are frustrated. Principally this is because such persons develop very weak coping skills as a result of never having to overcome the obstacles that oppressed folks deal with every day and MUST conquer in order to survive.

So, as a result, it is the privileged (the beneficiaries of racism, and also, it should be pointed out, the class system) who are ill-prepared for setback: the loss of a job, stocks taking a nose-dive (who were the folks jumping out the windows in the great depression–not poor folks and folks of color, but rich whites who couldn’t handle being broke!) Likewise, if you look at the various personal pathologies that tend to be disproportionate in the white community (and upper middle class for that matter), they are interesting in that they all are about control–controlling one’s anxiety, emotional pain, or controlling and dominating others–like suicide, substance abuse, eating disorders, self-injury/mutilation, serial killing and mass murder (as opposed to just regular one-on-one homicide), sexual sadism killings, etc.

Not knowing how the world works is dangerous. White privilege and racism allow the dominant group to live in a bubble of unreality. Most days that’s no big deal I suppose. But every now and then reality intrudes on you and if you haven’t been expecting it, the trauma is magnified. So, when 9/11 happened, millions of whites were running around saying “why do they hate us?” because whites have never had to see our nation the way others do–we’ve been able to live in la-la land.

But folks of color didn’t say this, because those without privilege HAVE to know what others think about them. Not to do so is to be in perpetual danger. So whites flipped out, and by virtue of being unprepared, pushed for a policy response (war) that folks of color were HIGHLY skeptical of from the beginning. But whites, enthralled by our sense of righteousness (itself a manifestation of privilege), pushed forward, convinced that the war in Iraq would go swimmingly. How’s that working out?
In other words, racism and privilege generate mentalities and policies that are dysfunctional, even deadly for whites as with folks of color. Folks of color are the first victims, to be sure, and the worst. But as someone else said, what goes around. . .
Privilege creates a false sense of security. Being the dominant group can set you up for a fall, can prevent you from building up the coping skills needed to deal with setback, because so often those skills are ones you just don't need.
Until you do, that is.


[This quotation is adapted from two sources: a comment Tim Wise wrote at Resist Racism (http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/how-does-racism-harm-white-people/), and one of his books, White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781933368993-0). Lyrics (http://www.steelydan.com/lyrkaty.html#track1) for Steely Dan's song "Black Friday"]



This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.



The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc)


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip (http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip)


more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related)


Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1)


affirmative action /school bias white people have affimative action to


YouTube - white people have affimative action to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irqMXsiXx0)



“Colorblindness,” “Illuminated Individualism,” Poor Whites, and Mad Men: The Tim Wise Interview, Part 1


http://www.racialicious.com/2010/09/09/%E2%80%9Ccolorblindness%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cilluminated-individualism%E2%80%9D-poor-whites-and-mad-men-the-tim-wise-interview-part-1/ (http://www.racialicious.com/2010/09/09/%E2%80%9Ccolorblindness%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cilluminated-individualism%E2%80%9D-poor-whites-and-mad-men-the-tim-wise-interview-part-1/)



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[yodajazz]

Uh oh, we've gotten Natina started again! I told you all to keep your voices down.
(Actually the quote is good, but I cant tell anyone, in order to fit in with the crowd.)

[natina]

Tim Wise has explained well this common symptom of learning to be white:

Racism and white privilege/supremacy generates a mindset of entitlement among those in the dominant group. This entitlement mentality can prove dangerous, whenever the expectations of a member of the group are frustrated. Principally this is because such persons develop very weak coping skills as a result of never having to overcome the obstacles that oppressed folks deal with every day and MUST conquer in order to survive.


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http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=50950


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[alyssaluxor]

Take it from me with what I do for a living and also being a white man , I have no idea what goes in the states with your Blacks, but in the UK, the worst crimes on prostitutes on my patch involving violent assault ,murder and often sexual violence , the offender was a white man. Robbery and giving the girl a slap is more a Black/Asian man kind of scene but for real sick 'I hate the whores kind of violence ', look to a middle aged white man going through a mid life crisis.

British(white) guys in HK and Shanghai are usually one of the guys who gives us TS girls who escort a lot of trouble. We need to be very very careful whenever meeting British men!

[PomonaCA]

Take it from me with what I do for a living and also being a white man , I have no idea what goes in the states with your Blacks, but in the UK, the worst crimes on prostitutes on my patch involving violent assault ,murder and often sexual violence , the offender was a white man. Robbery and giving the girl a slap is more a Black/Asian man kind of scene but for real sick 'I hate the whores kind of violence ', look to a middle aged white man going through a mid life crisis.


Well of course. What's the point of a half-assed violent assault? Remember the words of George Michael who said "If you're gonna do it do it right!".

Go all out. That's what I say.

[rockabilly]

Escorts steal!

The black girl stole my Air Jordans

The asian girl swiped my Nintendo DSi

The latino girl took my wallet

The native american girl ran off w/ my iphone

The white girl ... well she never showed up.

:eyeroll:

[Helvis2012]

It's their call. Who can tell what someone is really thinking?

[natina]

TIM WISE
talks about white violence because of the coping factor
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html (http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/10/suffer-from-privilege-induced-lack-of.html)



Has Black Friday arrived in America? If so, are you prepared?

Actually, if you're a "white" American, there's a good chance that you're less prepared than other Americans. Emotionally that, is. And mentally. Maybe even physically.

As is so often the case, Tim Wise has explained well this common symptom of learning to be white:

Racism and white privilege/supremacy generates a mindset of entitlement among those in the dominant group. This entitlement mentality can prove dangerous, whenever the expectations of a member of the group are frustrated. Principally this is because such persons develop very weak coping skills as a result of never having to overcome the obstacles that oppressed folks deal with every day and MUST conquer in order to survive.

So, as a result, it is the privileged (the beneficiaries of racism, and also, it should be pointed out, the class system) who are ill-prepared for setback: the loss of a job, stocks taking a nose-dive (who were the folks jumping out the windows in the great depression–not poor folks and folks of color, but rich whites who couldn’t handle being broke!) Likewise, if you look at the various personal pathologies that tend to be disproportionate in the white community (and upper middle class for that matter), they are interesting in that they all are about control–controlling one’s anxiety, emotional pain, or controlling and dominating others–like suicide, substance abuse, eating disorders, self-injury/mutilation, serial killing and mass murder (as opposed to just regular one-on-one homicide), sexual sadism killings, etc.

Not knowing how the world works is dangerous. White privilege and racism allow the dominant group to live in a bubble of unreality. Most days that’s no big deal I suppose. But every now and then reality intrudes on you and if you haven’t been expecting it, the trauma is magnified. So, when 9/11 happened, millions of whites were running around saying “why do they hate us?” because whites have never had to see our nation the way others do–we’ve been able to live in la-la land.

But folks of color didn’t say this, because those without privilege HAVE to know what others think about them. Not to do so is to be in perpetual danger. So whites flipped out, and by virtue of being unprepared, pushed for a policy response (war) that folks of color were HIGHLY skeptical of from the beginning. But whites, enthralled by our sense of righteousness (itself a manifestation of privilege), pushed forward, convinced that the war in Iraq would go swimmingly. How’s that working out?
In other words, racism and privilege generate mentalities and policies that are dysfunctional, even deadly for whites as with folks of color. Folks of color are the first victims, to be sure, and the worst. But as someone else said, what goes around. . .
Privilege creates a false sense of security. Being the dominant group can set you up for a fall, can prevent you from building up the coping skills needed to deal with setback, because so often those skills are ones you just don't need.
Until you do, that is.


[This quotation is adapted from two sources: a comment Tim Wise wrote at Resist Racism (http://resistracism.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/how-does-racism-harm-white-people/), and one of his books, White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781933368993-0). Lyrics (http://www.steelydan.com/lyrkaty.html#track1) for Steely Dan's song "Black Friday"]



This is a clip from The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality, the newly released video from the Media Education Foundation. The video is of a speech given by Tim Wise at Mt. Holyoke College, October 1, 2007.



The Pathology of Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc)


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip (http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip)


more complete video but has relatedlinks/urls and related to more of his speakings/lectures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&feature=related)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJlNRODZHA&feature=related)


Tim Wise-institutional racism, labor, prison education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-VEWJncnsk&NR=1)


affirmative action /school bias white people have affimative action to


YouTube - white people have affimative action to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irqMXsiXx0)



“Colorblindness,” “Illuminated Individualism,” Poor Whites, and Mad Men: The Tim Wise Interview, Part 1


http://www.racialicious.com/2010/09/09/%E2%80%9Ccolorblindness%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cilluminated-individualism%E2%80%9D-poor-whites-and-mad-men-the-tim-wise-interview-part-1/ (http://www.racialicious.com/2010/09/09/%E2%80%9Ccolorblindness%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cilluminated-individualism%E2%80%9D-poor-whites-and-mad-men-the-tim-wise-interview-part-1/)

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The Underprivileged White Male
YouTube - The Underprivileged White Male (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jaH_hmnrPU)

TIM WISE ON THE CREATION OF WHITENESS (CLIP)
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

YouTube - Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip)



TIM WISE ON THE "DOMINANT HISTORICAL NARRATIVE"
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-dominant-historical-narrative
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-dominant-historical-narrative


YouTube - Tim Wise on the "Dominant Narrative"


TIM WISE ON WHITE PRIVILEGE (TEASER)

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-white-privilege-teaser

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-white-privilege-teaser


YouTube - Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Teaser)

http://www.redroom.com/media/tim-wise
http://www.redroom.com/media/tim-wise

[natina]

I COSIGN

SOME ONE OUTED that guy from 2 1/2 MEN
for seeing a cd/tv ,kayla cox



The case gained worldwide attention shortly after it developed, due to Smith claiming that a black man stole her car and kidnapped her sons (http://crime.about.com/od/murder/a/susan_smith.htm)

Susan Smith
Born September 26, 1971 (1971-09-26) (age 38)
Union, South Carolina
Conviction(s) Two counts of murder
Penalty Life
Status Incarcerated at Leath Correctional Institution
Spouse David Smith (March 15, 1991 - May 1995)[1]
Parents Linda and Harry Vaughan

Susan Leigh Vaughan Smith (born September 26, 1971) is an American woman sentenced to life in prison for murdering her children. Born in Union, South Carolina, and a former student of the University of South Carolina Union, she was convicted on July 22, 1995 of murdering her two sons, 3-year-old Michael Daniel Smith, born October 10, 1991, and 14-month-old Alexander Tyler Smith, born August 5, 1993.[2] The case gained worldwide attention shortly after it developed, due to Smith claiming that a black man stole her car and kidnapped her sons. Smith later claimed that she suffered from mental health issues that impaired her judgment.

According to the South Carolina Department of Corrections, Smith will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024, after serving a minimum of thirty years. She is currently incarcerated at South Carolina's Leath Correctional Institution, near Greenwood.[3]

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A Black TS starts a thread dissing Black men. That's fresh.
You've been here long enough Diva to know how deliberately provocative and inflammatory threads like this end up, so why choose to be the instigator of this shit??

That famous TS in Philly who was murdered BTW is suspected to have been strangled by a White john.
So what??



The Underprivileged White Male
YouTube - The Underprivileged White Male (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jaH_hmnrPU)

TIM WISE ON THE CREATION OF WHITENESS (CLIP)
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

YouTube - Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip)



TIM WISE ON THE "DOMINANT HISTORICAL NARRATIVE"
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-dominant-historical-narrative
http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-dominant-historical-narrative


YouTube - Tim Wise on the "Dominant Narrative"


TIM WISE ON WHITE PRIVILEGE (TEASER)

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-white-privilege-teaser

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-white-privilege-teaser


YouTube - Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Teaser)

http://www.redroom.com/media/tim-wise
http://www.redroom.com/media/tim-wise

[natina]

racism relates to politics and religion,like law and order does




remember it was not that long ago that another lady made up a story saying the black person did it.

it made national news and caused emotions to run high.


neocon/Republicans feel that blacks are prone to violence and these false accusations would of Lent

credibility to there feelings

White Mom Who Falsely Accused Black Men Of Kidnapping Her Is Found
From msnbc.com

Prosecutors believe that the Pennsylvania woman who was found with her daughter at Disney World after claiming they were abducted by two black men may have been taking actions due to domestic tensions with her second husband.

“They’re still looking into the motive behind this. We believe it may have to do with some domestic problems she may have been having with her husband,” Bucks County (Pa.) district attorney Michelle Henry told TODAY’s Natalie Morales Thursday. Henry said the couple may also have been facing financial problems.

Henry said that Bonnie Sweeten, 38, of Feasterville, will be charged with false reports and identity theft, both misdemeanors, and would be extradited from Florida to face the charges. Her 9-year-old daughter, Julia Rakoczy, was being interviewed by investigators and was to return home with her father and Sweeten’s ex-husband, Anthony Rakoczy.


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[natina]

SEVERAL WHITE GUYS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A TS


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/mate-your-girlfriend-was-a-bloke/story-e6frf0a0-1111115482079


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Devastated ... Bridgette Fell outside court yesterday Source: The Daily Telegraph
GARRICK Jacobson was in custody at Surry Hills police station when he apparently discovered his girlfriend used to be a man.

Within hours of being released on bail, he went to her apartment and started "belting the hell" out of her, Downing Centre Local Court heard yesterday.
The two police officers who allegedly revealed the information about his then partner's past are now charged with breaching privacy laws.
In a rare prosecution under the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act, Constables Tyrone Stacey and Brendan Ritson have pleaded not guilty to unlawful disclosure of information.
The offence is punishable by up to two years' jail.
The court heard Jacobson, 26, was held in custody on September 24, 2006, after being arrested for suspected theft.
Stacey allegedly used the police computer system to access information about Jacobson's then girlfriend, Brigitte Fell, revealing her gender as male.
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Ritson, who was looking over his colleague's shoulder, allegedly shouted to Jacobson: "You're r . . . ing a bloke", the court has heard.
After Jacobson denied it, he was allegedly shown paperwork indicating her gender and told: "See, it's a guy."
As the officers defended the case yesterday, Ms Fell gave evidence that the incident "ruined my life".
Should transsexuals tell new partners of their operation? Vote in our poll (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:void(window.open('http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/?id=#vote-now-form','','resizable=no,location=no,menubar=no,scro llbars=yes,status=no,toolbar=no,fullscreen=no,depe ndent=no'))).
She told the court she was born a male, undergoing gender reassignment surgery about 12 years ago "in London, and it cost a fortune".
Complete strangers subsequently told her it was "the best sex change we've ever seen", she said.
But Ms Fell did not share the information about her surgery with Jacobson, her boyfriend of about two months, because "he was temperamental enough".
Police were aware of other domestic violence incidents involving the pair in the two days prior to the assault, the court heard.
Gallery: See the main players in the case (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:void(window.open('http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/gallery/0,22056,5029409-5010140,00.html','','resizable=no,location=no,menu bar=no,scrollbars=yes,status=no,toolbar=no,fullscr een=no,dependent=no')))
Ms Fell said she woke in the early hours of September 25 to find Jacobson in her Surry Hills apartment, threatening to kill her.
"Your f . . .ing mates the cops told me you're a man - is it true?" he allegedly said.
Ms Fell said Jacobson then punched her repeatedly in the face.
"He was belting the hell out of me," she told the court.
She said she suffered concussion after falling over the balcony of her loft bedroom and woke up "covered in blood".
"My whole face was broken," she said.
Ms Fell spent several days in hospital after the attack, for which Jacobson is currently awaiting sentence in the District Court.
Ms Fell said she told only three or four of her "dearest friends" about her surgery but some police officers knew of it because she had sought their help after previous violent incidents.
The court heard that when Jacobson was brought back to the police station following the assault, he allegedly said he had gone to Ms Fell's apartment "to cut her hair off . . . she was a she-man".
The hearing continues today.
Source: Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23166157-5001021,00.html)


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Downing Centre Court ; Two police officers Brendan Ritson and Tyrone Stacey (dark hair) charged for abusing privacy laws by disclosing Bridgitte Fell was formaly a man.



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[britneymarkham]

they smell funny