Anyone else find this F*ed Up

[tsparisangelline]

So I found this website that is linked to a PORN SITE and shows pictures of transsexuals who have died and states how they died.

Anyone else find the fact that these pictures are classless and show nudity wrong?

Who that died wants to be remembered for how big their tits and dick were?

http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/

[SunshyneMonroe]

This is so0o0 WRONG!!! Im happy u showed me this i was gonna work with them!!!>>>Emails smc

[CORVETTEDUDE]

And, what's the fuck stick's name that owns Grooby????

[south ov da border]

Wow I didn't know about Amanda or Boots, damn.

I don't find it fucked up, it's just a reference. Would different pics help???

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think it's a memorial site.

Like the Remember Our Dead site.

[tsparisangelline]

Wow I didn't know about Amanda or Boots, damn.

I don't find it fucked up, it's just a reference. Would different pics help???


I think it's a memorial site.

Like the Remember Our Dead site.

I find it fucked up because these girls died for various reasons and are on a memorial site with ass tits and dick hanging out.
I find that very disrespectful to them.

[SunshyneMonroe]

I think it's a memorial site.

Like the Remember Our Dead site.

a Memorial site? that talks abouit girls hven aids and killin girls with sil? tellin there boy names and postin how they had a clocked chin and adams apple....:dancing:RIP :)

[CORVETTEDUDE]

If the intention is a memorial, better attention to the posted pix would help. Let's remember them with respect.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have never looked at the site...I know Steven posted about it some time ago. Saying it was a memorial site.

[Coroner]

This memorial site has been around for a while, now. Nothing wrong or degrading about it. Everyone will be remembered for what he/she left behind.

[SunshyneMonroe]

I have never looked at the site...I know Steven posted about it some time ago. Saying it was a memorial site.

Well u should look at it....

[SunshyneMonroe]

This memorial site has been around for a while, now. Nothing wrong or degrading about it. Everyone will be remembered for what he/she left behind.

ok well u should place in ur rip that ur where a reg on a tranny fourm :)

[Coroner]

In English, please.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It looks like they copy and pasted the actual newspaper clippings. The news always out the girls with their birth names and use the pro-nouns he/him/his it's truly disgusting. God forbid if you are a transsexual and die. The news will out you and disrespect you. Some even scout out your boy pictures.

[SunshyneMonroe]

A transgender woman was found dead in her ransacked Queens apartment on Tuesday, her naked body sprawled across the bed........There is also a rumor that Tonya died a year or two ago due to complications from silicone pumping. Ironically Tonya was famous for pumping girls. Laura’s tush was actually Tonya’s best work. But Tonya is also alleged to have accidentally killed a couple of girls and injured others............

A transgendered prostitute was stabbed to death in the Bronx Saturday by a customer who was apparently surprised by the hooker’s true sex, police sources said Saturday.
The victim – a 25-year-old man who dressed like a woman – was identified by sources as Talib Stewart, who often went by the feminine nicknames of Nesha or Sanesha.................Not many details are known about Rafaella’s death. She was known to have AIDS and had been in and out of the hospital and is believed to go back to her families to die.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Much like when Anna Alexandre died. She was so beautiful and the media outed her boy name and referred to her as a him. They even scouted out boy pictures of her. It was disgusting!

[SunshyneMonroe]

In English, please.

suck my fat cock..

[SunshyneMonroe]

In English, please.

omg i forgot to place a space on my e and a so how could u ever read it...go jack off to some cock somewhere...

[Mari_Mar]

I thought that since the Gwen Araujo case, the Associated Press had adopted the use of proper pronouns. Is that only local to the state of California? :???:

[BellaBellucci]

Who that died wants to be remembered for how big their tits and dick were?

http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/

:iagree: While I believe there should definitely be a site remembering those who have passed, especially those who did so in a violent manner, I'm sure plenty of people have clothed pics of these girls. The gratuitousness of the way they are displayed indicates a desire on the part of the site owner to bump posthumous sales of 'fallen' models' material. I also take issue with that term 'fallen.' Heroes 'fall,' the rest just die, and we (transsexuals) are not heroes. War veterans, fire-fighters, activist leaders - these people 'fall.'


It looks like they copy and pasted the actual newspaper clippings. The news always out the girls with their birth names and use the pro-nouns he/him/his it's truly disgusting. God forbid if you are a transsexual and die. The news will out you and disrespect you. Some even scout out your boy pictures.

So many girls decline to change their legal documents and IMHO that's why a lot of them get 'outted.' When someone dies, it's customary for news organizations to post their legal name. I don't care if you're the prettiest, most passable, most feminine woman who's been so for 25 years; if your ID says Michael Johnson, Male, then that's what's going to get reported, and rightly so.

LADIES, GET YOUR ID'S CHANGED!

However, if they go so far as to snoop into a departed's life, then that's just bias or an attempt at sensationalism. :(


I thought that since the Gwen Araujo case, the Associated Press had adopted the use of proper pronouns. Is that only local to the state of California? :???:

I think you're referring to the AP Stylesheet, and I'm fairly sure it was changed before the Araujo case, but don't quote me on that. It should also be noted that a news organization is under no requirement to follow the stylesheet.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ana had her name legally changed Bella. They still outed her. The post op on there was also outed who had her name legally changed.

[Coroner]

suck my fat cock..

No, thanks. Your intelligence matches with your inability to articulate yourself. The question is whether your accomplice in stupidity is really concerned about the reputation of the girls listed on the memorial site or her flying too high against a certain "fucked up guy" whose intentions probably weren´t that disrespectful as implied when the site was put online.

[BellaBellucci]

Ana had her name legally changed Bella. They still outed her. The post op on there was also outed who had her name legally changed.

Well then that's just fucked up. How do they find the old information though? Someone must have to spill it, no?

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

I would guess by social security or family. Everyone has a paper trail.

[SunshyneMonroe]

no, thanks. Your intelligence matches with your inability to articulate yourself. The question is whether your accomplice in stupidity is really concerned about the reputation of the girls listed on the memorial site or her flying too high against a certain "fucked up guy" whose intentions probably weren´t that disrespectful as implied when the site was put online.

blah blah i just hope they place fucked men in wigs over ur stone :)

[Coroner]

blah blah i just hope they place fucked men in wigs over ur stone :)

I´ll let the "fucked up guy" deal with you because I simply have no reason to do so.

[SunshyneMonroe]

i´ll let the "fucked up guy" deal with you because i simply have no reason to do so.

why thanks..im sure u had some cock to jack off to ne ways... Have a nice lunch miss thang :)

[Coroner]

why thanks..im sure u had some cock to jack off to ne ways... Have a nice lunch miss thang :)

Why do you call me "miss"? Are you going that low?

[tsparisangelline]

why thanks..im sure u had some cock to jack off to ne ways... Have a nice lunch miss thang :)

Stop talking to him, he most likely jacks to that very site that was posted.
So pay him.

[smithken]

hahaha classless? its the tranny sex industry! jesus age christ theres nothing but ghouls in it that prey on the girls. also sunshyne are u a ts or actual woman i cant tell?

[SunshyneMonroe]

hahaha classless? Its the tranny sex industry! Jesus age christ theres nothing but ghouls in it that prey on the girls. Also sunshyne are u a ts or actual woman i cant tell?

imma ts :)

[SunshyneMonroe]

stop talking to him, he most likely jacks to that very site that was posted.
So pay him.

oh he is igged girl

[smithken]

imma ts :)

i guess that question is a compliment then!

[BellaBellucci]

I would guess by social security or family. Everyone has a paper trail.

Yeah, but I don't think Social Security is allowed to provide news organizations with any information, let alone a name history. It was probably family. I'm not really sure which is worse though to be honest and it's really sad how so many families treat their own transgendered members as 'less than,' even after they're gone.

~BB~

[Coroner]

Stop talking to him, he most likely jacks to that very site that was posted.
So pay him.

Did I hit the nerve? You won´t get far in life with your attitude. Someone in your position should think about that. You´re 20 and already in deep shit on this board. How is it in real life? I´m not happy about revealing the boy names of these passed girls remembered but these are quotes from online newspapers and there´s almost nothing they won´t find out. The website owner probably shouldn´t quote them but I doubt his/their intentions were bad. If they didn´t create this memorial website, someone would probably argue that they made money of them and let them to rot in oblivion. They way the girls are portrayed on the website leaves a beautiful memory, at least for me. Once again, I have to add that your alleged concern is pretty questionable. And before you start to bark and insult people who do not agree with you, learn to articulate yourself and argue as an adult and reasonable person.

[smithken]

o by the way bella i saw one of ur videos with the markham girl on the pool table very hot!

[tsparisangelline]

Did I hit the nerve? You won´t get far in life with your attitude. Someone in your position should think about that. You´re 20 and already in deep shit on this board. How is it in real life? I´m not happy about revealing the boy names of these passed girls remembered but these are quotes from online newspapers and there´s almost nothing they won´t find out. The website owner probably shouldn´t quote them but I doubt his/their intentions were bad. If they didn´t create this memorial website, someone would probably argue that they made money of them and let them to rot in oblivion. They way the girls are portrayed on the website leaves a beautiful memory, at least for me. Once again, I have to add that your alleged concern is pretty questionable. And before you start to bark and insult people who do not agree with you, learn to articulate yourself and argue as an adult and reasonable person.

Darling you find no issue with it because you see transsexuals as sex objects.

[BellaBellucci]

Did I hit the nerve? You won´t get far in life with your attitude. Someone in your position should think about that. You´re 20 and already in deep shit on this board. How is it in real life? I´m not happy about revealing the boy names of these passed girls remembered but these are quotes from online newspapers and there´s almost nothing they won´t find out. The website owner probably shouldn´t quote them but I doubt his/their intentions were bad. If they didn´t create this memorial website, someone would probably argue that they made money of them and let them to rot in oblivion. They way the girls are portrayed on the website leaves a beautiful memory, at least for me. Once again, I have to add that your alleged concern is pretty questionable. And before you start to bark and insult people who do not agree with you, learn to articulate yourself and argue as an adult and reasonable person.

I think you're both right. I'm sure Grooby didn't intend to 'out' anyone, but the fact remains that nudes are being used to 'memorialize' the deceased. You don't find that disrespectful? Why not? Is it because you think we're all just a bunch of whores already? To live as a whore is to die as a whore? I think you need to broaden your perspective.

I also think your assessment that either Paris or Sunshyne are 'in deep shit' is a poor attempt to discredit those who want to discuss it and deflect the real issue here: a disrespectful website, regardless of whether that disrespect was intended or not.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

o by the way bella i saw one of ur videos with the markham girl on the pool table very hot!

Thanks babes! She did give me one hell of a skin treatment didn't she? ;)

http://bellabellucci.info/2010/09/22/new-dvd-from-strokers-features-some-hungangels-com-forum-regulars/

~BB~

[Coroner]

I think you're both right. I'm sure Grooby didn't intend to 'out' anyone, but the fact remains that nudes are being used to 'memorialize' the deceased. You don't find that disrespectful? Why not? Is it because you think we're all just a bunch of whores already? To live as a whore is to die as a whore? I think you need to broaden your perspective.

I also think your assessment that either Paris or Sunshyne are 'in deep shit' is a poor attempt to discredit those who want to discuss it and deflect the real issue here: a disrespectful website, regardless of whether that disrespect was intended or not.

~BB~

Look, Bella, I´m familiar with your conflict with Seanchai, so I can assume where your arguments are partially coming from. I have no reason to defend Seanchai but you´re contradicting yourself by putting something in my mouth that I never wrote. Transsexual women are no plain sex objects to me. I´ve turned 26 today and my views on ts-women have changed a lot since when I was a permanently horny teenager. It´s arguable whether the nature of those pics is wrong or putting their boy names online but the thread author did it in a completely dilletant and immature way. This is a porn forum and these girls worked in porn. This is how I remember them without disrespecting their human values, although I never had the opportunity to meet them. So, the only way I remember them is through porn of course. You can´t wipe out their past. Does this make them plain sex objects in my eyes? Of course, not.

[BellaBellucci]

Look, Bella, I´m familiar with your conflict with Seanchai, so I can assume where your arguments are partially coming from.

I figured you'd say that, but your comment ignores the fact that if I wanted to make this about my issue with Steven, I wouldn't be this judicious about it. I would sensationalize the situation to serve my own needs. I don't see me doing that here, do you?


I have no reason to defend Seanchai but you´re contradicting yourself by putting something in my mouth that I never wrote.

Actually, I asked you if you felt that transsexuals were merely sex objects. I never accused you of saying it yourself. For someone who complains about someone else's lack of articulation, you seem to be understanding very little of what you're reading.


It´s arguable whether the nature of those pics is wrong or putting their boy names online but the thread author did it in a completely dilletant and immature way.

Really? I thought she just made an observation and was fairly reserved in her personal judgments considering a lot of things that are written around here. :wiggle:


This is a porn forum and these girls worked in porn. This is how I remember them without disrespecting their human values, although I never had the opportunity to meet them.

Again, what we do is just a job. I obviously can't speak for the dead, but having been in porn or not, I personally doubt they would have wanted to be remembered that way exclusively, but as a whole person.

~BB~

[amberskyi]

woow.some of these stories/comments were obviously cut and paste jobs from local newspaper articles.others though seem to be little more than gossip and hear say.
its more than unfortunate that the only way we can honor/remember these girls is through nudity.im sure alot of these girls were more than just porn and escorting.
i now understand the concern my uncle had with me doing such photo shoots.once you done them you have no control over the pictures or how they are used.

[GroobySteven]

1. There are NO NUDES of any of the dead girls on this site of any of the deceased. The most you can see is a nipple. So whoever is sensationalising this and to what ends, they're wrong.

2. The only time a real name is published is when it's a direct copy and paste from a newspaper - as this same information is often posted on site's like this, then I don't see why anyone has an issue. Also by showing the actual report it helps the veracity of the report and how the media reports on these deaths.

3. The website is : Fallen Angels and Lost Devils - The Website to Honour and Inform About Performers and Producers in the Adult Transgender Industry Who Have Died.

This site does just what it states. With no other source to do this, this site serves as a memorium to those performers and producers, many of whom have been friends of mine personally.

The photos chosen are ones that we own that I feel represented the model well as a performer in the industry as well as being a good portrait of them.


The saddest thing is that many of the girls on that site didn't deserve what happened to them as much as some other people I could mention. How long before someone from a forum like this, just pushes someone else a little too far and ends up on it?

The fact, that I'm going to have to write another one today.

[amberskyi]

1. There are NO NUDES of any of the dead girls on this site of any of the deceased. The most you can see is a nipple. So whoever is sensationalising this and to what ends, they're wrong.

2. The only time a real name is published is when it's a direct copy and paste from a newspaper - as this same information is often posted on site's like this, then I don't see why anyone has an issue. Also by showing the actual report it helps the veracity of the report and how the media reports on these deaths.

3. The website is : Fallen Angels and Lost Devils - The Website to Honour and Inform About Performers and Producers in the Adult Transgender Industry Who Have Died.

This site does just what it states. With no other source to do this, this site serves as a memorium to those performers and producers, many of whom have been friends of mine personally.

The photos chosen are ones that we own that I feel represented the model well as a performer in the industry as well as being a good portrait of them.


The saddest thing is that many of the girls on that site didn't deserve what happened to them as much as some other people I could mention. How long before someone from a forum like this, just pushes someone else a little too far and ends up on it?

The fact, that I'm going to have to write another one today.

........0_0

[MrsKellyPierce]

Steven is correct - media and news outlets always disgrace a transsexual. They refer to them by the male pro-noun and always out their birth given name. Even if legally changed. I have seen many girls who had their names legally changed who were either murdered, raped, abused, or died by natural causes or car crash. They always seem to find their male names and use the pro-noun they were born. Most make the excuse, because not everyone will know them by their new "CHOSEN" identity.

I actually interviewed a media reporter in Florida, when I was the secretary of St. Pete PRIDE. That was one reason they gave. Another few reason she gave is their viewers have the right to know, and lastly it's respectful to the person's family. She left it at that, and wouldn't budge on her judgement. Even if it's highly disrespectful to the person who passed.

[BellaBellucci]

The photos chosen are ones that we own that I feel represented the model well as a performer in the industry as well as being a good portrait of them.

I think our point here is that the latter is far more important than the former. Saying 'a porn-star died' is like saying 'a plumber died' or 'a hairdresser died,' except that plumbing and hairdressing doesn't carry a stigma as adult modeling does. In either case, it reduces a person to a one-dimensional figure. Sure, some girls may like to be remembered accordingly in part, but I still suspect that most did porn so that they could live their lives, not be remembered as not much more than a naked (or even half-naked) model (or worse) after they die.


How long before someone from a forum like this, just pushes someone else a little too far and ends up on it?

Typical, tasteless, blame-the-victim mentality. What are you trying to say here? That it's OK to kill someone if they push your buttons? You're a sick man, Steven. :fu:

You really should just keep quiet around here. Don't you have your own forum that you surreptitiously converted into an altar for your brand? Do you really need two? :geek:

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

I think our point here is that the latter is far more important than the former. Saying 'a porn-star died' is like saying 'a plumber died' or 'a hairdresser died,' except that plumbing and hairdressing doesn't carry a stigma as adult modeling does. In either case, it reduces a person to a one-dimensional figure. Sure, some girls may like to be remembered accordingly in part, but I still suspect that most did porn so that they could live their lives, not be remembered as not much more than a naked (or even half-naked) model (or worse) after they die.

You are an arse.
If "Plumber's Weekly" or "Hairdresser's Express" ran those features, then it doesn't make them one dimensional. It's clear what this site states.




Typical, tasteless, blame-the-victim mentality. What are you trying to say here? That it's OK to kill someone if they push your buttons? You're a sick man, Steven. :fu:

No I'm not saying it's ok. I'm saying there are some people who may be unhinged enough to take attacks off-board. It's got nothing to do with pushing MY buttons.



You really should just keep quiet around here. Don't you have your own forum that you surreptitiously converted into an altar for your brand? Do you really need two? :geek:

~BB~

As do you Bella, yet you also pollute elsewhere with your stink and ire.

[BellaBellucci]

You are an arse.
If "Plumber's Weekly" or "Hairdresser's Express" ran those features, then it doesn't make them one dimensional. It's clear what this site states.

If a story in 'Plumber's Weekly' concentrates solely on a deceased person's ability to plunge, for instance, then yes it does make them one-dimensional. OK, I'll admit that the photos aren't completely tasteless, but they are questionable at the very least, and if you really want to honor the memories of the girls who have passed, you should tone them down a bit and combine them with a few personal words about the girls in question. Spend a few minutes to locate and talk to people who knew them and add their personal touches, then your site won't seem so exploitative and one-sided. I actually don't even really think it was your intention to exploit anyone with the site, but you have to admit, it's a very sloppy memoriam that really focuses solely on the work aspect of these girls' personalities. Remember, those who were killed or committed suicide (read: a disproportionately large number) weren't victims of porn, they were victims of transsexuality. That fact should feature more prominently on the site.


No I'm not saying it's ok. I'm saying there are some people who may be unhinged enough to take attacks off-board. It's got nothing to do with pushing MY buttons.

Yeah, well, just keep in mind that tact isn't exactly your strong suit. Sometimes the things you say can easily be taken as threats, and your statement just a minute ago certainly qualified.

~BB~

[FreddieGomez]

uh oh.....

[MrsKellyPierce]

What is truly fucked up - is the many cases where nothing is done or reported. There are plenty of transsexual deaths where the attacker was let off easy or unexplained. They barely do an investigation.

Truth be told most transsexuals are killed by their lovers.

[MissBStar]

this is scary. MAkes me scared to shoot porn. God forbid I get a stalker and he kills me out of a fit of jealousy

[GroobySteven]

this is scary. MAkes me scared to shoot porn. God forbid I get a stalker and he kills me out of a fit of jealousy

If you worked in Starbucks you get a stalker and it would be easier to find you each day. Most models don't use their real name and can't be found that regularly in any one place.

[MissBStar]

If you worked in Starbucks you get a stalker and it would be easier to find you each day. Most models don't use their real name and can't be found that regularly in any one place.

true but if you're going to escort that's a direct way to find you ;)

[FREEFALLL666]

I find it fucked up because these girls died for various reasons and are on a memorial site with ass tits and dick hanging out.
I find that very disrespectful to them.
Imagine how it would be to set up a memorial site to an actor without clips of their work. I mean how disrespectful of someone to post the very thing that made their legend work. Imagine how disrespectful it would be to say Robert Downey Junior died mention he was an alcoholic, imagine mentioning an actors drug problems, imagine mentioning they had AIDS..:ignore:

These girls provided a fantasy, maybe one that exsisted in the minds of those viewing their pictures. If someone was painted in the nude 10 years ago and was put in an art gallery, say they died later on, would you be outraged if the work of art remained on display? I would say not, YOU are degrading these girls and their art.:yayo:

Rather than complaining about this site, why dont you seek out those sites that continue to display these girls videos or those photo sets and get them to take the images down?:yingyang:

[rockabilly]

true but if you're going to escort that's a direct way to find you ;)

It's a shame there's not a tgirl "bunny ranch".

You could escort and be protected. :shrug:

[BeardedOne]

STOP!

Jesus Christ in a fucking sidecar.

You people torque me off in ways that I can't describe. ALL OF YOU!

Still numb from Stacey's death in Philly just a few days ago we start seeing more news of another passing in LA and we have yet to absorb the passing of another lady that was murdered in Jersey not more than a month ago.

Three. THREE. THREE IN LESS THAN THREE MONTHS!

Yet, rather than mourne these people, rather than remember them in better times, we would rather poke each other in the eye over how they are viewed in death.

NEWS FLASH:

Most of the people that are memorialized on this and related sites, no matter how much they were loved/adored/appreciated, were adult entertainers, professional escorts, trans-obsessed wankers, or porn producers.

Get the fuck over it!

I see that Steven/Seanchai has defended his Fallen Angels/Devils link already, but he shouldn't have to. The link has been up for quite a while and I have viewed it and supported it from day one because it is the =ONLY= one that has done at least its small bit to acknowledge the existence of these people, let alone recall that there are a few people on this planet that appreciated them and truly miss them.

The newslinks are the only information we have as to how/when these people left us and they are an all-too-necessary reminder as to the cold and harsh ways that our friends are taken from us. As to the nude/semi-nude photos that accompany these dark obituaries: I challenge you to find a fully clothed, mundane image of some of these people in their natural gender. They are rare, if they exist at all.

<Pause for breath>

There have been days in recent history when I have sat in front of this monitor, this 'phosohor teat' as Harlan Ellison once called it, and cried. Though I have not personally known the gurls that passed, I know people that have been close to them and have been clumsily trying to console them in emails and instant messages. Stacey's death was within blocks of people that I feel very close to and I can't help but wonder if they might be the next headline. The next fumbled gender pronoun of the press.

And you lot bicker over who has the right to memorialize them and in what form such memorial may take. You accuse others of profiteering upon the deaths of others in their clan or culture. You poke at the eyes of those that are in mourning.

Fuck off. For not a one of you is truly human.

[BellaBellucci]

And you lot bicker over who has the right to memorialize them and in what form such memorial may take. You accuse others of profiteering upon the deaths of others in their clan or culture. You poke at the eyes of those that are in mourning.

Fuck off. For not a one of you is truly human.

Seriously? So we should never discuss a better way to honor people because to do so is to dishonor them? Come on now! I know you mean well... but what the fuck?! The best way to honor a person's memory is to get it right, don't you think?

We don't know why any girl does porn, but I'm willing to bet that many of them just needed the money. That said, be honest. Do you really think that every one of these girls wanted to be memorialized as a sex object simply because they did a few shoots for some extra cash? And you don't think that posting sexual photos of a girl ('only a nipple,' or not) even after she's gone encourages guys to think, 'wow, I'm going to miss seeing that cock,' as opposed to 'wow, we lost another beautiful woman?'

I know you mean well and I know you've earned everyone's respect, including mine, so I'll just leave it at this: get a grip, baby.

~BB~

[tsparisangelline]

1. There are NO NUDES of any of the dead girls on this site of any of the deceased. The most you can see is a nipple. So whoever is sensationalising this and to what ends, they're wrong.

The fact, that I'm going to have to write another one today.

The issue is that the girls WERE potrayed in a sexual manner.
You think Paris Hilton will have an obituary with her sex tape on it?
Pamela Anderson will have a pic with her tits out?
NO, they will have pics covered of themselves that show them a classy manner.


Imagine how it would be to set up a memorial site to an actor without clips of their work. I mean how disrespectful of someone to post the very thing that made their legend work

The sex industry is low class and NO ONE wants to be remembered for it, unless they have severe mental issues.
I personally know if i died I wouldn't want anyone to say "Paris Angelline the transsexual Escort died" and then have them post my ass pics, come on now.


That said, be honest. Do you really think that every one of these girls wanted to be memorialized as a sex object simply because they did a few shoots for some extra cash?

~BB~

COSIGN

[BeardedOne]

I know you mean well and I know you've earned everyone's respect, including mine, so I'll just leave it at this: get a grip, baby.

I am truly not right in mind, soul, and heart right now. Thanx, at least, for your understanding, 'BB'.

All I am seeing here is family members at a wake all bitching over how the deceased is dressed. :(

[peggygee]

Too many, too soon.

Remembering our dead. (http://theipowa.org/?q=content/remembering-our-dead)

http://s92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/th_flora.jpg

www.rememberingourdead.org (http://www.rememberingourdead.org)

[natina]

I know that at many of the funerals the ts's family do not want them

referenced/remembered by there girl name/porn and do not want the friends who are

ts at the funeral.

I don't think it is nothing wrong with the site. believe me there like 20 more if not hundreds or thousands more websites...


http://rainbowmemorial.org/heroes

[BellaBellucci]

I am truly not right in mind, soul, and heart right now. Thanx, at least, for your understanding, 'BB'.

All I am seeing here is family members at a wake all bitching over how the deceased is dressed. :(

I'd hug you if I could. It's hard for all of us. :yingyang:

~BB~

[Star Angel 86]

I think it's a memorial site.

Like the Remember Our Dead site.

That's exactly what is and I do not believe it is in poor taste.
On the mainstream porn site IAFD.com list all the deaths of the performers.The sad thing is if you go to IAFD.com or IMDB.com you'll find most of the Transgender and gay performers from the 70's and early 80's were wiped out by the HIV AIDS Virus.One the first performers to come down with the HIV AIDS Virus was Wade Nichols (a.k.a. Dennis Parker) (R.I.P.).The late Jim Holliday (R.I.P.) porn historian tried to cover up Wade Nichols (The Tom Sellek of porn Wade probably the better actor) death by saying rumor can go straight to hell.Well a few months later adult film actress Annette Haven,who performed Wade in a couple of movies confirmed in a Hustler Magazine interview that Wade Nichols,did indeed commit suicide by taking a gun and blowing his brains,not wanting to die a slow death from the HIV AIDS virus.Now Wade,is probably the most underrated porn actor of all time.This is a guy that had a legit career going being that he played detective Derek Mallory on the New York based Soap Opera Edge Of Night and if it weren't cancellation of this soap they were going to have to find a replacement for him due to his illness.He also had a singing career and released a disco album on Casblanca Records "Like An Eagle" under the name of Dennis Parker.

[alyssaluxor]

i was also shocked when i first saw the memorial site maybe im not used seeing giving a memoriam to a dead person using their adult pics

[Mari_Mar]

I think I received a death threat tonight...

I was at the bar, watching the stupid Giants game, when a known tranny chaser/ex-biker/stalker dude approached me, and asked me how I was doing. I told him I was fine. He smiled and said:

"That's good. Some people have been asking me about you..."

"Really!?" I asked. "Who would be asking about me? Why?"

"Some people..." He replied. "...and not in a good way..."

"What?" I asked. "I haven't made any enemies..."

"Yeah... Well... Be careful walking home. Just be careful..." He replied, then went back to his seat against the wall.

I made it home fine, and the dude is known as a local weirdo... But, it has me creeped the fuck out... :(

[BellaBellucci]

People have been strange the last few days. I just had a huge fight with my boyfriend for instance. I threw his ass out already. He's another one who needs a fucking mommy and, well, I already have a kid.

It's a full moon tonite. That's all i can say. :(

~BB~

[FREEFALLL666]

The issue is that the girls WERE potrayed
The sex industry is low class and NO ONE wants to be remembered for it, unless they have severe mental issues.
I personally know if i died I wouldn't want anyone to say "Paris Angelline the transsexual Escort died" and then have them post my ass pics, come on now.

If you find it that shameful and you work in that business then it will always be seen as shameful.

[Pelheckitt]

Nothing says respectful memorial like a Banner advertising Japenese Shemale Porn on the page!

Seanchai your hearts in the right place.

Great idea, just poor execution.

[FREEFALLL666]

I think that the only thing he needs to do is change the ads to links to support sites, that way those who need help can find it via that site.

[GroobySteven]

Nothing says respectful memorial like a Banner advertising Japenese Shemale Porn on the page!

Seanchai your hearts in the right place.

Great idea, just poor execution.

Ach - good spot. Based the design on our other blogs. Removing.

[GroobySteven]

I think that the only thing he needs to do is change the ads to links to support sites, that way those who need help can find it via that site.

The highest and most visible links are:

Worthy Causes *



AIM – Healthcare Foundation (http://www.aim-med.org/)
Free Speech Coalition – FSC (http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/)
Stopping the Hate (http://www.stoppingthehate.com/)
Terence Higgins Trust (http://www.tht.org.uk/)

Happy to add any others?

[SunshyneMonroe]

Im sorry i think the site is just wrong...

[SarahG]

Well then that's just fucked up. How do they find the old information though? Someone must have to spill it, no?

~BB~

You can thank our wonderful government.

Unless you change your name legally as a child (which allows you to have the record sealed) it is considered a public record and that means anyone who wants can go to the courthouse where you had it changed and look up the court order.

Plus in most states you have to publish a "legal notice" in the newspaper to notify the public that your name has legally been changed.

In ye olde days the only way to look into someone's history was to physically travel to a court house and physically look through the dusty decaying boxes of records to see if someone has any skeletons in their closet. But thanks to computers, OTR of scanned newspapers, and post 9/11 reforms you sometimes don't even have to leave your bedroom.

[BellaBellucci]

You can thank our wonderful government.

Unless you change your name legally as a child (which allows you to have the record sealed) it is considered a public record and that means anyone who wants can go to the courthouse where you had it changed and look up the court order.

Plus in most states you have to publish a "legal notice" in the newspaper to notify the public that your name has legally been changed.

In ye olde days the only way to look into someone's history was to physically travel to a court house and physically look through the dusty decaying boxes of records to see if someone has any skeletons in their closet. But thanks to computers, OTR of scanned newspapers, and post 9/11 reforms you sometimes don't even have to leave your bedroom.

LOL! I know all this. I've had my name changed. And you're right that a person could look up the information online or do a little footwork, but it still requires knowing certain things about a person in order to find that information. It's not like I can enter a girl's name into Google and find her birth name. I need to know where she's from, possibly her date of birth, etc to get that info. I know it's not hard to do, but it's also not easy to do without some kind of direction.

~BB~

[peggygee]

You can thank our wonderful government.

Unless you change your name legally as a child (which allows you to have the record sealed) it is considered a public record and that means anyone who wants can go to the courthouse where you had it changed and look up the court order.

Plus in most states you have to publish a "legal notice" in the newspaper to notify the public that your name has legally been changed.

In ye olde days the only way to look into someone's history was to physically travel to a court house and physically look through the dusty decaying boxes of records to see if someone has any skeletons in their closet. But thanks to computers, OTR of scanned newspapers, and post 9/11 reforms you sometimes don't even have to leave your bedroom.

On the issue of publishing your amended name in a newspaper, you may
state that publishing your new name may put you at risk in your
community, and you may request that you be given a waiver from doing
so.

If it is mandated and required that you publsh your new name, try to do
so in a very obscure and little known, hardly read paper.

You might even consider publishing it in another city in your state.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

It's something you CHOOSE to do and people will remember you in that way AFTER you have died.

Let's face the reality that if you CHOOSE to objectify yourself as a sex worker, wether you are a model, prostitute, adult actress that is mostly likely how you will be remembered.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Steven is a good man with a reputable company, whom I consider to be a good friend and he has always shown the upmost respect from transsexual women.

If you want to be remembered for something else then do something else with your life-
Yes I am have been an escort, model, actress but I have done way more than that as well.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

The sex industry is low class and NO ONE wants to be remembered for it, unless they have severe mental issues.
I personally know if i died I wouldn't want anyone to say "Paris Angelline the transsexual Escort died" and then have them post my ass pics, come on now.


COSIGN

Paris, I think you are being very general here and there are people like myself who have abosolutely no shame about being in the sex industry.
I am very proud of the work I did as an adult actress and what I achieved as such. It took me places and I have done things, met people I would have never have-the list can go on and on. I have no problem being remembered as that.

I don't mean that in an argumentative way, or to fight- I just think your comment was general and there are certain girls who chose adult work to build a career and name brand, both ts and gg.

It's not always just a means to an end, but a means to building a business and a legacy or sorts.

[peggygee]

I love the way my body looks, my face, breasts, vagina, hips, and butt. I
love it from head to toe.

But if I were to drop dead this moment I wouldn't want to have nude
photos of me floating around for eternity.

Thus I have a motto that I wouldn't shoot a photo that I wouldn't want
my Mom or my clergy to see, which isn't to say that I wouldn't shoot
something for my significant other, and if Mom or someone else saw it,
oh well.

But the bottom line is that a person is most likely going to be
photographed and immortalized for what they were primarily known for
while they were alive.

[BellaBellucci]

First of all-
Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

I'm sorry, but just because something is precedented, that doesn't make it right. So because newspapers have always printed male names, they should continue to do that as well? :geek:

~BB~

[SarahG]

LOL! I know all this. I've had my name changed. And you're right that a person could look up the information online or do a little footwork, but it still requires knowing certain things about a person in order to find that information. It's not like I can enter a girl's name into Google and find her birth name. I need to know where she's from, possibly her date of birth, etc to get that info. I know it's not hard to do, but it's also not easy to do without some kind of direction.

~BB~

Unless the newspaper has a subscription datamining service that they automatically run every name through before printing stories... You'd be surprised what little information is sometimes needed.

[FREEFALLL666]

The highest and most visible links are:

Worthy Causes *



AIM – Healthcare Foundation (http://www.aim-med.org/)
Free Speech Coalition – FSC (http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/)
Stopping the Hate (http://www.stoppingthehate.com/)
Terence Higgins Trust (http://www.tht.org.uk/)

Happy to add any others?
Well maybee as an employer of the TG community you should try to find those of Europe/Orient/Asia hell even advertise the Cannucks on there..


Im sorry i think the site is just wrong...
Well I respect your oppinion but I think that you are beyond valid.. JMHO

LOL! I know all this. I've had my name changed. And you're right that a person could look up the information online or do a little footwork, but it still requires knowing certain things about a person in order to find that information. It's not like I can enter a girl's name into Google and find her birth name. I need to know where she's from, possibly her date of birth, etc to get that info. I know it's not hard to do, but it's also not easy to do without some kind of direction.

~BB~Sounds to me like "Informants" have been payed for the info,


First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

It's something you CHOOSE to do and people will remember you in that way AFTER you have died.

Let's face the reality that if you CHOOSE to objectify yourself as a sex worker, wether you are a model, prostitute, adult actress that is mostly likely how you will be remembered.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Steven is a good man with a reputable company, whom I consider to be a good friend and he has always shown the upmost respect from transsexual women.

If you want to be remembered for something else then do something else with your life-
Yes I am have been an escort, model, actress but I have done way more than that as well.
Sounds to me like she is one of those who is after a quick buck. She doesent seem to take into consideration WHAT she is doing to make that money, she seems almost ashamed/uncertain of herself.

Paris, I think you are being very general here and there are people like myself who have abosolutely no shame about being in the sex industry.
I am very proud of the work I did as an adult actress and what I achieved as such. It took me places and I have done things, met people I would have never have-the list can go on and on. I have no problem being remembered as that.

I don't mean that in an argumentative way, or to fight- I just think your comment was general and there are certain girls who chose adult work to build a career and name brand, both ts and gg.

It's not always just a means to an end, but a means to building a business and a legacy or sorts.

My gosh a freaking star with their head screwed on? Is the world gonna collapse?? I agree 100%


I lo
ve the way my body looks, my face, breasts, vagina, hips, and butt. I
love it from head to toe.

But if I were to drop dead this moment I wouldn't want to have nude
photos of me floating around for eternity.

Thus I have a motto that I wouldn't shoot a photo that I wouldn't want
my Mom or my clergy to see, which isn't to say that I wouldn't shoot
something for my significant other, and if Mom or someone else saw it,
oh well.

But the bottom line is that a person is most likely going to be
photographed and immortalized for what they were primarily known for
while they were alive.If you are shot in the way that the entire world is going to see, then that is your epitaph. You ARE what the record of your life is. If you are a Surgeon, then YOU ARE YOUR MEDICAL RECORD, if you are a Porn Star, then YOU ARE YOUR PHOTOS/VIDEOS, YOU SHOW PRIDE IN ALL OF YOUR WORK.
If it isnt something you will show pride in doing thirty or forty years down the line THEN DONT DO IT..


I'm sorry, but just because something is precedented, that doesn't make it right. So because newspapers have always printed male names, they should continue to do that as well? :geek:

~BB~Then isnt it damn well time that you got the freaking LAW CHANGED? Or will you still vote for the person who puts their RELIGION AS IMPORTANT?
Guess what as long as "IN GOD WE TRUST" you are submitting to a fucking gosh damned ROMAN EMPERORS COMPROMISE... Oh and just in case you are Canadian THE FUCKING QUEEN OF THE KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND has submitted to the equality laws of the UK, which means you change your Birth Certificate you ARE the new sex, and as such YOU are A GIRL..

Change YOUR COUNTRIES LAWS TO GET RESPECT..


Unless the newspaper has a subscription datamining service that they automatically run every name through before printing stories... You'd be surprised what little information is sometimes needed.
Like I said CHANGE IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS. Dont just sit there and say "ooh thats wrong" FUCKING SHOUT IT IN YOUR Constitutions soul..
http://www.qtl.co.il/img/copy.pnghttp://www.google.com/favicon.ico (http://www.google.com/search?q=Though%20I%20NEVER%20agreed%20with%20your %20facial/chest%20surgery%20I%20fully%20agree%20with%20your% 20statement.%20I%20mean%20)http://www.qtl.co.il/img/trans.png

[Pelheckitt]

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspot.com/2010/07/2010-marilyn-monroe-memorial-service.html

[FREEFALLL666]

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspot.com/2010/07/2010-marilyn-monroe-memorial-service.html
Course not, peeps turn a blind eye to those things out of a BULLSHIT religious view.

[tsparisangelline]

Paris, I think you are being very general here and there are people like myself who have abosolutely no shame about being in the sex industry.It's not always just a means to an end, but a means to building a business and a legacy or sorts.

True


First of all-

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspot.com/2010/07/2010-marilyn-monroe-memorial-service.html


Thats the point i amn making

[gcon]

not that i had any doubts, but i'm amazed and incredibly respectful of how well-informed and well-written allanah is. there needs to be a lot more of that on here instead of the petty attacks, slurs, and ill-written nonsense.

[DL_NL]

Indeed, I always love Allannah's well-worded and balanced posts here.

[Helvis2012]

It's definitely a little strange. It's hard to say one way or the other if it is tasteless. In one sense, I can see maybe it's a tribute, since these girls were obviously self possessed in terms of their profession but I will agree, there's something off-putting to it all.

[Felicia Katt]

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

It's something you CHOOSE to do and people will remember you in that way AFTER you have died.

Let's face the reality that if you CHOOSE to objectify yourself as a sex worker, wether you are a model, prostitute, adult actress that is mostly likely how you will be remembered.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Steven is a good man with a reputable company, whom I consider to be a good friend and he has always shown the upmost respect from transsexual women.

If you want to be remembered for something else then do something else with your life-
Yes I am have been an escort, model, actress but I have done way more than that as well.
well said

FK

[Felicia Katt]

First of all-

Let's get one thing straight- when you do porn or nude modeling is is with you for ALL of your life anf after your DEATH. I don't remembere anyone stopped showing Marylin Monroe's topless Playboy pic after she died.

This true but you dont see her nude pics posted on memorial sites dedicated to her.
http://marilynrememberedclub.blogspot.com/2010/07/2010-marilyn-monroe-memorial-service.html
Someone will be remembered by their representative body of work. Since Marilyn had other images to more accurately document the life being memorialized, it would be tacky and misleading to include naked pics on a memorial site. For someone who was known mostly for such pics, its not just proper, but is appropriate to give context to the loss of the person, and their work, being marked by the memorial. In the case of adult entertainment, its as much a persona as a person we are honoring. To use other images from their life outside of the business would breach the separation between personal and professional in death in a way many girls would never ever do in life. They should be mourned and remembered the way they were known by their fans and the way they wished to be known by them.

FK

[LAGent4ts]

Direct and to the point. Felicia, you are a voice of reason.

[BellaBellucci]

Someone will be remembered by their representative body of work. Since Marilyn had other images to more accurately document the life being memorialized, it would be tacky and misleading to include naked pics on a memorial site. For someone who was known mostly for such pics, its not just proper, but is appropriate to give context to the loss of the person, and their work, being marked by the memorial. In the case of adult entertainment, its as much a persona as a person we are honoring. To use other images from their life outside of the business would breach the separation between personal and professional in death in a way many girls would never ever do in life. They should be mourned and remembered the way they were known by their fans and the way they wished to be known by them.

FK

Considering the struggles we go through and how many of us get into porn due to a lack of options as opposed to an honest-to-goodness desire, I'm really surprised that you're of that opinion. But then, you've always been an apologist for the site owner, so maybe I shouldn't be.

And Marilyn was a more-than-willing participant in her own exploitation all the way until the end. Remember, a lot of the girls who have died were retired or hadn't been seen in a while. If they were trying to get away from the porn industry, I seriously doubt they'd wanted to be depicted in a sexual manner in memoriam.

~BB~

[kyoJecours]

i can kinda understand both sides but at the end of the day if you wanna see nude pics then they're available everywhere else... but on the memorial the pics should be more tasteful... pics with friends or just chilling when they were being real. i mean porn is just a job it's not real life and people aren't defined only by their work. also a lot of girls have this 'fake' persona on camera where they say/do things they're not normally into so horny guys will buy it and they can make some $$$. it's not their true personality in most cases. if a girl wants to be remembered just for her porn that's cool but i'm guessing most don't...

[alyssaluxor]

i can kinda understand both sides but at the end of the day if you wanna see nude pics then they're available everywhere else... but on the memorial the pics should be more tasteful... pics with friends or just chilling when they were being real. i mean porn is just a job it's not real life and people aren't defined only by their work. also a lot of girls have this 'fake' persona on camera where they say/do things they're not normally into so horny guys will buy it and they can make some $$$. it's not their true personality in most cases. if a girl wants to be remembered just for her porn that's cool but i'm guessing most don't...

i like this one, i would prefer not seeing the adult pics of those TS girls in their memorial site.

when i first saw that site i even taught its another fetish of men to jack off on those adult pics knowing those girls passed already, necrophilia.

:yingyang:

[phobun]

when i first saw that site i even taught its another fetish of men to jack off on those adult pics knowing those girls passed already, necrophilia.

:yingyang:


Guys looking for stiffs?

[Felicia Katt]

Direct and to the point. Felicia, you are a voice of reason.
thank you.

FK

[blckhaze]

while i understand y u wouldnt want certain pics displayed, often many other pics arent supplied and/or available


frankly, if seachai and crew didnt network and post such news, itd just be swept under rugs all day.

[FREEFALLL666]

Considering the struggles we go through and how many of us get into porn due to a lack of options as opposed to an honest-to-goodness desire, I'm really surprised that you're of that opinion. But then, you've always been an apologist for the site owner, so maybe I shouldn't be.

And Marilyn was a more-than-willing participant in her own exploitation all the way until the end. Remember, a lot of the girls who have died were retired or hadn't been seen in a while. If they were trying to get away from the porn industry, I seriously doubt they'd wanted to be depicted in a sexual manner in memoriam.

~BB~
If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

[alyssaluxor]

Guys looking for stiffs?

yes a little bit like that they are looking at those naked pics of TS girls knowing they passed away already and imagining them stiff and they jerk off

:yingyang:

[Willie Escalade]

If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.
Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

[Star Angel 86]

Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

Exactly and a lot of times before getting into porn people warned,if you're worried about someone finding explicit images of yourself then this is not the business for you.It's like back in 70's where out actors would find themselves performing in X- Rated Movies in order to make ends meet.Back then the thinking was well these movies are only shown in the sleazy part of town in some raunchy theater.Low and behold the VCR,DVD & Internet surfaced.

[LAGent4ts]

Many industries (National Academy of Engineering, Aircraft Builders Association, Air Medical Memorial, State Bar Associations) to mention a few, have memorial sites on the internet to remember & acknowledge individuals within their respective professions /industry for the contributions and involvement of the memorialized person.

The Grooby memorial is an industry memorial, an attempt to remember and acknowledge individuals who worked in and contributed to the TG/TS adult entertainment industry. Unlike other professions where individuals have usually been full time employees of various organizations and ones business life crosses over into ones personal life, the individuals in front of the camera in the adult industry are usually not employees (thus usually less knowledge about ones personal life off camera) and often go to great lengths to separate their professional on screen persona from their private off screen life. Under the circumstances, to incorporate too much information from an individuals private life in a memorial such as the one Grooby has set up would, in my opinion be crossing the line and very well be an insult to the desires and memory of the individual being memorialized.

As respects the photos used, everyone is entitled to their opinion as to their appropriateness and is a subject that can be debated ad nausium, without resolution.

The fact remains that Grooby made a decision to create a memorial site to acknowledge these individuals in a manner they believed to be respectful, and like other industry memorials, created with the expectation that the majority of visitors would be fans, industry friends and others in the adult entertainment industry.

However, as this thread has brought out, there is always room for improvement.

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

[Felicia Katt]

since its easier to make noise than to make a difference and easier to hurl bricks than build something with them, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK

[DL_NL]

+1 to LAGent and a tentative +1 to Felicia. I would like to see something good come out of this.

[BellaBellucci]

Exactly and a lot of times before getting into porn people warned,if you're worried about someone finding explicit images of yourself then this is not the business for you.It's like back in 70's where out actors would find themselves performing in X- Rated Movies in order to make ends meet.Back then the thinking was well these movies are only shown in the sleazy part of town in some raunchy theater.Low and behold the VCR,DVD & Internet surfaced.

Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

There are individuals who have been critical of the Grooby memorial site who have their own Transgendered oriented web sites. It will be interesting to see if any of these individuals, some of whom are also involved in the adult industry, are actually concerned enough about the memory of their fellow industry professionals to dedicate space on their sites to create a Memorial more in line to what they believe to be a respectful and appropriate tribute. Hopefully they will then provide a link so as to share their vision with the rest of us.

Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

[Star Angel 86]

Even posthumously? Really? :roll:

~BB~

Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.
In other words if your ashamed of your adult past it can come back and haunt you.Even in death.

[BellaBellucci]

Love or hate it their remembered as Adult Film Stars.

Like I said before: I agree, but it doesn't have to be in poor taste. That's all. Porn can celebrate the beauty of the whole woman or degrade them and I think in death, we all deserve the former.

Oh, and another thing, here's the blogroll for the site in question:


Blogroll
Amy Daly TS Official Blog
Bob from Bob’s Tgirls Blog!
Damazo Blog
Grooby Steven
Japanese shemales
Shemale Inch
The Grooby Blog

So, yeah, there's exploitation all the way to the end here. :geek:

~BB~

[BeardedOne]

while i understand y u wouldnt want certain pics displayed, often many other pics arent supplied and/or available

frankly, if seachai and crew didnt network and post such news, itd just be swept under rugs all day.

Painfully true. If the producers and the true friends of those lost didn't step up to memorialize them, it is a scant few that would fill the void otherwise.


If a girl has retired and doesnt want to be known as a member of the Porn Comunity, then she should request her sets/videos be removed.

They often do this and most, if not all, of the producers/content providers acquiesce to that request. For one, it's basic common decency, for another, it heads off later content feuds and lawsuits. Still, it's not a cure-all.


Unfortunately it's not that easy. Once they're online, they're there to stay...regardless if they're taken down from the originating source.

See above. Even though a content provider, producer, or what-have-you, removes that content out of courtesy, common sense, or CYA basic business policy, that doesn't mean that muggledywump brazillion viewers haven't already saved, captured, or shared the content. Remember, it is that saved/shared content that the producers are fussing about now.

Nowhere is safe.

And I'm now thinking of those two pics from my misspent youth that I shared here. Christ! I'm fucked! :crazy

[LAGent4ts]

Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure we all know who you're talking about, so are you going to help me with that? I'm a one woman operation and I'm spread pretty thin. Not to mention that Total-TG is a social networking site that allows (and indeed depends on) members to create their own groups and announcements. Please feel free to have at it. ;)

Although, as a side note I do have a project in the works intended to celebrate the lives of transgendered women. With all of the recent developments, I'm going to bump up the schedule on that.

~BB~

Bella, I'm more than happy to assist you.

And yes, I realize that you are a "one woman operation" and that your "spread pretty thin". However, in my opinion, I think this subject goes to the very "root" of the concerns you have commented about so many times in the past, the perception of Transgendered individuals. I believe this memorial discussion would be an opportunity for you to illustrate how something could be improved upon or made better for the good of your community which has been the theme of many of your past postings.

However, as far as your "having at it" comment, the implication being that I should undertake such a project, I disagree. While not perfect, I respect the effort made by Grooby to pay tribute to those that have passed who worked in the adult industry.
With all due respect, you are one of the individuals critical of the Memorial site, not me, so please, don't try to pass the buck! I did not know her, I am not in the industry and as such am not qualified to prepare such a memorial. In my opinion, for me to do so would be disrespectful.
I honestly think that something as timely and serious as this is, involving someone in the adult entertainment industry, who you knew ("This is the first time I've actually, personally known someone TS who's died. It's making me a little dizzy"*) would move you to take the opportunity to share your thoughts and perception, given your writing and computer skills not to mention your industry knowledge, about how to Properly and Respectfully memorialize and celebrate this young woman's life. As noted before, "there is always room for improvement."
As you stated in another thread, "Sure, I think it's noble profession, but lots of other people don't including some of the girls who do it. As I've said, a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly."**
You're a smart woman Bella. You have the venue and the skills to correct a situation for someone you knew, who you believe has been memorialized in a manner not befitting them.
At the end of the day, I guess it all boils down to the strength of one's convictions, opinions and credibility which separate those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk.
"I didn't know Jezebel that well, but I did know that she suffered just as much as any transwoman, sometimes at the hands of other transsexuals. I just don't want that to be in vain. ~BB~ " **


My offer to assist you remains on the table. You know how to contact me.

*http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=814954&postcount=17

**http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=816639&postcount=94

PS: I'm sure I am not alone when I say I look forward to your project that will celebrate the lives of Transgendered women you have in progress.

[BellaBellucci]

LAGent, I'm not trying to pass the buck to you, but I am trying to ask for everyone's help. That's what Total-TG is all about - all of us working together against the multitude of issues we all face since, like I said, I can't do it all by myself.

I only knew Jezebel in passing, and she's the only girl I've ever known at all that has passed, so I get my information second-hand just as much as anyone else. That said, it makes a lot more sense to provide people a venue to express their ideas, concerns, memories, etc, without my leadership, so I've just created a new group on TTG called Transgender Memorials. It's an open group which means that, while I would like everyone to register for an account, it won't be necessary to have one in order to view it.

http://total-tg.com/pg/groups/6497/transgender-memorials/

May the fallen not rest in peace, but live on forever in our hearts and minds.

~BB~

PS: If anyone has any shots of Jezebel that are on the candid or more conservative side, please email them to bellabellucci@ymail.com. Thanks.

[tsdvdman]

since its easier to make noise than to make a difference and easier to hurl bricks than build something with them, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK
Very well said and true indeed!

[GroobySteven]

Well the nice thing is that all this noise has increased the visits to the site by 5 fold. So no matter what your thoughts on the matter are or how we present it, more people are seeing the site and finding out about the tragedies, dangerous lives and reality of what many of the models do go through.

To those of you, complaining about MY choice of photos. Those are not only the photos that I have at hand (and have ownership of) but the ones which I think are representative of her as a model.

I welcome any efforts, blogs, posts, twitters, etc. than can further spread this message. Thanks to you all for your messages of support, I hope we don't have to update this site as often as it's been for 2010, with three angels passing in tragic circumstances.

[shemale-411]

Seanchai made a memorial years ago. He's kept it updated. I've been around this business as long as he, and whatever you may think, I don't think anyone can get on here and say he was being disrespectful. As he has said, he used what he had, pics he had rights to, and the news clippings that provided the best info possible.

For Bellucci to come on here screaming exploitation as usual is sickening. To this day she has a blog up exploiting Ashley George's name, been asked by Ashley George herself to remove it, and refuses. That's called exploitation. Now she's asking for candid pics of Jezebel to be sent to her. Good luck having those taken down if a family member should ask her to do so. ( Once again, using the Ashley George Blog example)

[BellaBellucci]

Well the nice thing is that all this noise has increased the visits to the site by 5 fold.

The miraculous British Face Saver strikes again. I'm sure what you say is true. So you had one visitor, and now you have 5, right? Please.

So are you going to take the links to the porn sites off now or continue to profit from models even after their deaths?


For Bellucci to come on here screaming exploitation as usual is sickening. To this day she has a blog up exploiting Ashley George's name, been asked by Ashley George herself to remove it, and refuses. That's called exploitation. Now she's asking for candid pics of Jezebel to be sent to her. Good luck having those taken down if a family member should ask her to do so. ( Once again, using the Ashley George Blog example)

Again, that's a gross oversimplification to the point of being an outright lie. Ashley herself asked for the site and then asked me to take it down the moment I could potentially profit from it. Meanwhile, there are 5 other sites doing the same thing that never had her approval, so who's trying to exploit whom? She wanted me to do the work for her because we were 'friends,' but she didn't want me to benefit. Fuck her.

But it's OK, because the more you depend on this as your go-to argument whenever there's a real, grown-up conversation about issues taking place (and you want to defend sleazeball producers like the tool that you are), the more we know that you're a pathetic, ass kissing FAIL.

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/shipment_fail.jpg

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

The miraculous British Face Saver strikes again. I'm sure what you say is true. So you had one visitor, and now you have 5, right? Please.

So are you going to take the links to the porn sites off now or continue to profit from models even after their deaths?


Yep, now I have 5 ... and it's better than 1 - and 3 more than your blog!

I'm not going to remove the links to any sites, the same as I link to Fallen Angels from all my porn blogs. It's a site for deceased TG pornstars.
Go cry a river elsewhere Bella. Your the boy who cried wolf, nobody cares anymore ...

[kyoJecours]

i did say that i thought the pictures should be more tasteful but that's just my opinion... i mean he still actually did something to remember these women by which is a lot more than anyone else here.

[BellaBellucci]

Yep, now I have 5 ... and it's better than 1 - and 3 more than your blog!

I'm not going to remove the links to any sites, the same as I link to Fallen Angels from all my porn blogs. It's a site for deceased TG pornstars.
Go cry a river elsewhere Bella. Your the boy who cried wolf, nobody cares anymore ...


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Keep up the great work. Keep those memories alive, Seanchai. :roll:

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

Keep up the great work. Keep those memories alive, Seanchai. :roll:

~BB~

Thanks Bella, we will better than you, as we'll bring people in.
You missed the top links that are the most visible.




* Worthy Causes *



AIM – Healthcare Foundation (http://www.aim-med.org/)
Free Speech Coalition – FSC (http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/)
Stopping the Hate (http://www.stoppingthehate.com/)
Terence Higgins Trust (http://www.tht.org.uk/)


Furthermore, we also link to our Grooby Charities page at:
http://grooby.com/charities.html
In which we showcase the charities which we like and give support to including:
http://www.asacp.org/index.php (Association Sites Advocating Child Protection)
http://www.icrc.org/eng (International Red Cross)
http://www.amnesty.org/ (Amnesty Int.)
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
http://ecpat.com/eng/index.asp (Ending Child Prositution, Pornography and Trafficking)

Thanks to some useful posters this week, I can also look at some TG specific charities that look good. I do urge everyone to look at the above links and consider them.

However, if you want a true charity case, then look no further than Bella Bellucci - she needs all the help and support you can muster. :praying:

[BellaBellucci]

[INDENT]

Thanks Bella, we will better than you, as we'll bring people in.
You missed the top links that are the most visible.

I didn't miss them, I excluded them knowing full well you'd mention them because you were going to miss (or deflect) the point, which you did. The point is that you can put all the causes you like up there, but the site is still a portal for the pay sites of your brand. You're supposed to be some kind of marketing genius or something, so you do get that, right?

An electronic grave robber is all you are.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

An electronic grave robber is all you are.

~BB~

That's all I am.
:Bowdown:

[BellaBellucci]

That's all I am.
:Bowdown:

Glad we agree.

~BB~

[elo]

I dont see a reason why showing somebody nude is disrespecting.If somebody is modeling nude,she is obviously not ashamed of her body.So why should it be disrespectful to show pics of them nude when they are dead?

I have the impression that somebody who thinks that has on her mind that nudity is something immoral,something you should be ashamed of.

[BellaBellucci]

I dont see a reason why showing somebody nude is disrespecting.If somebody is modeling nude,she is obviously not ashamed of her body.So why should it be disrespectful to show pics of them nude when they are dead?

I have the impression that somebody who thinks that has on her mind that nudity is something immoral,something you should be ashamed of.

The real bone of contention is tastefulness moreso than nudity though. Some of the more, we'll say, 'inviting' pics do not celebrate nudity, they say, 'come fuck me,' and many of us find that inappropriate for a memorial.

I'm noticing you're from Europe, as is Seanchai. My European friends are always telling me how much more hung up about sex Americans are. I wonder if that has something to do with it.

~BB~

[Felicia Katt]

A close friend of Jenna, who is in contact with her family, has relayed their request to me that they be provided with any pictures people have of or with Jenna out in the scene. Please help me help him honor their request by sending any such pictures to me, at felicia_kattt@yahoo.com. I will get them to the family and am helping them to get some kind of Facebook/Myspace type page up so they can share them and read comments, like many of the ones in these threads here, from people who actually knew Jenna or were her fans or shared good experiences with her. The suitable comments from here will be included, with the board information and people's screen names removed.

I hope to have full account information later tonite for those wishing to make contributions to her family to help with her funeral expenses. I've already heard privately from several people looking to make donations and hope to hear more once more concrete details are in place.

Karina, who runs the pageants here in LA and who is also vitally active in the community will be doing a fundraiser tonight at Goddess, at MJ's on Hyperion in Silverlake. She will be seeking donations after the show, so please come out and help out this way if you can.

Buddy Wood has generously offered to give the door proceeds from this Thursdays T Party at Blue Moon Nights on Lankershim in North Hollywood to the family and the dancers for this week, including Domino Presley and Britney Markham are donating their dance money as well. If people want to make a donation to a good cause as part of a good time, come out to the club this week!

thanks to all for all their positive contributions. Jenna's family knows how she is remembered and missed and appreciates it all.

FK

[LAGent4ts]

LAGent, I'm not trying to pass the buck to you, but I am trying to ask for everyone's help. That's what Total-TG is all about - all of us working together against the multitude of issues we all face since, like I said, I can't do it all by myself.

I only knew Jezebel in passing, and she's the only girl I've ever known at all that has passed, so I get my information second-hand just as much as anyone else. That said, it makes a lot more sense to provide people a venue to express their ideas, concerns, memories, etc, without my leadership, so I've just created a new group on TTG called Transgender Memorials. It's an open group which means that, while I would like everyone to register for an account, it won't be necessary to have one in order to view it.

http://total-tg.com/pg/groups/6497/transgender-memorials/

May the fallen not rest in peace, but live on forever in our hearts and minds.

~BB~

PS: If anyone has any shots of Jezebel that are on the candid or more conservative side, please email them to bellabellucci@ymail.com. Thanks.

Bella, I went to your site as I had some thoughts I was going to share with you about a memorial as well as to post some very touching comments about Jenna from a News Blog I saw today.

However, given your comments about the Grooby memorial being less then respectful and your comment that "a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly" I was a bit surprised to see the comment you wrote in your site, when discussing that you did not actually know Jenna all that well when you stated "In fact, the first time I'd ever seen her, she was advertising her services on Craigslist where other girls (probably out of jealousy - Jezebel was a gorgeous woman) would post her boy photos. Despite the attack by her 'sisters,' she continued to persevere, so much so that the next time I saw her, she was already on Shemale Pornstar."

In my opinion, a comment like advertising her services on Craig's list aka escorting opens up a part of someones life that while it may exist, is not something that one would want to be remembered for.

Your point could have been easily made without the CL reference simply by saying something like she was a strong individual who became a success on Shemale Pornstar, persevering jealous attacks by others, like the time someone posted her boy photos on the internet.

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

Again, not that my opinion matters to you or anyone, but given the stand you've taken on this subject, I really expected something much better from you. Words and pictures are not all that different and can be equally tasteless.

[BellaBellucci]

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.

~BB~

[shemale-411]

Bella, I went to your site as I had some thoughts I was going to share with you about a memorial as well as to post some very touching comments about Jenna from a News Blog I saw today.

However, given your comments about the Grooby memorial being less then respectful and your comment that "a whole person died, not a porn star, and that should be memorialized accordingly" I was a bit surprised to see the comment you wrote in your site, when discussing that you did not actually know Jenna all that well when you stated "In fact, the first time I'd ever seen her, she was advertising her services on Craigslist where other girls (probably out of jealousy - Jezebel was a gorgeous woman) would post her boy photos. Despite the attack by her 'sisters,' she continued to persevere, so much so that the next time I saw her, she was already on Shemale Pornstar."

In my opinion, a comment like advertising her services on Craig's list aka escorting opens up a part of someones life that while it may exist, is not something that one would want to be remembered for.

Your point could have been easily made without the CL reference simply by saying something like she was a strong individual who became a success on Shemale Pornstar, persevering jealous attacks by others, like the time someone posted her boy photos on the internet.

I have no problem with anyones chosen profession or how they make a living. I am not a moralist and not one to judge a book by its cover. But bringing up that she was advertising "her services" on Craig's list was, in my opinion is in poor taste in more ways then one and totally unnecessary.

Again, not that my opinion matters to you or anyone, but given the stand you've taken on this subject, I really expected something much better from you. Words and pictures are not all that different and can be equally tasteless.

I think this post describes the "Bellucci Hypocryte" so well. What else can be added, she's crazy, a hypocryte, needs to get off everyone else' ass and maybe worry about her own messy life.

[shemale-411]

Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.

~BB~

So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.

[AmyDaly]

So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.



lol

And once again Bella tries to be the center of attention and turn something in to a political debate...even when someone passes away shes gotta be in the center of the drama and making sure she gets her points across

[BellaBellucci]

So you make a freaking career out of calling everyone in your crazy crusade on the carpet in a public forum. LAgents points out very politely his opinion, which even you admit you were wrong. And you want it sent by private? You make such an ass out of yourself sometimes.

We know each other in person, so yes, I expected the courtesy of privacy. And frankly, while he was right that I could have phrased things better, I was relaying a personal story from memory about a girl I always admired for getting through what had to be a tough time. I'm sure it wasn't just the photos that she had to deal with, but whatever animosity led people to publish them in the first place.

And I beg a bit of forgiveness as well. I've been sick twice in the last two weeks, overstressed in my personal life (nasty breakup), and I've been just exhausted lately. I'm just trying to help out here as best I can with the limited resources that I have.

I also don't know about a lot of what happens outside of L.A. until I read it somewhere else, so I'm not 'passing the buck,' but soliciting help. I think that's only fair considering I'm only one person. Seanchai's got a virtual army compared to me, so cut me a break, will you? Where's your offering in all this?

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

lol

And once again Bella tries to be the center of attention and turn something in to a political debate...even when someone passes away shes gotta be in the center of the drama and making sure she gets her points across

Umm, wrong thread. This one started first and originally didn't have a damn thing to do with anybody who died recently, but was started to discuss (surprise, surprise) your producer's tacky website with half naked, leg spread girls and porn links.

You might want to get back on topic.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

Umm, wrong thread. This one started first and originally didn't have a damn thing to do with anybody who died recently, but was started to discuss (surprise, surprise) your producer's tacky website with half naked, leg spread girls and porn links.

You might want to get back on topic.

~BB~
speaking of tacky websites...

[LAGent4ts]

Sorry, I was exhausted and doing 50 things at once and was typing up everything that came through my stream of consciousness. And again, I didn't know her that well to say a whole lot else, which is why I asked for help to begin with. I went back and changed the post, but since I didn't use any spread legs photos or try to sell any porn on the backs of the fallen, and considering our (I assumed) cordial personal relationship, I would have appreciated it if you had made your suggestion discreetly by email. Do you have a natural inclination towards ambushing people or did you have to work at it? Thanks for nothing.

~BB~

Thanks for nothing?

Well, I guess I should have checked here before responding to your pm. But since you have taken the opportunity to try and bitch slap me here, I will respond, especially since it would appear that we apparently no longer have a cordial relationship.

Let's review: An individual in Your community has passed away. You say that you know her (how the hell is anyone supposed to know how well you knew her? I assumed by your initial comment that you were friends, at the minimum acquaintances, otherwise you would have said "I met her once or twice."

There is an industry web site that has been around for quite some time that becomes the subject of a thread. Things are said, criticisms made and the bottom line is that you seem unable to control your relentless attacks about how you see it as disrespectful and should be modified or changed.

I post a comment about my opinions about memorial sites in general, with a few comments about the Grooby site. And yes, I bring up the fact that those who have been critical should take the opportunity to step up and improve upon what is currently the only memorial site (to my knowledge) dedicated to those in the TG adult industry who have passed. While I had you in mind, you were not the only person who was being critical of the site, I did not mention you by name. You call it an ambush I call it presenting you with a golden opportunity to show that you could step up and improve upon what is out there, walk the walk if you will, show that your a "do'er, more then someone who just criticizes for the sake of criticizing.

You respond that your busy and in my opinion, pass the buck back to me and anyone else, because your "spread too thin". Well, cry me a river, we are all busy and spread too thin, but I am not the one complaining about a disrespectful memorial web site. All the while I am still under the impression that you two were friends and saying to myself, WTF kind of friendship is this. Why would you not just get to work and put something together to honor the memory of a person who you gave the impression was a friend of yours? I expected a response along the line of, not a bad idea and I'm going to work on that or no response until you posted to a link to the memorial you put together that properly honors and celebrates the life of your friend.

Then you come back and tell me that you hardly knew the girl and list the reasons and excuses why it should be a joint effort, why you do not have the time, thus sidestepping that golden opportunity I set before you to showcase the talent you clearly have with words and the computer, to demonstrate that your a stand up individual, that there is more to you then throwing out criticisms about everything that is bad in this world we all share.

So I just STFU and go about my business. I get home from work, thinking about what you suggested and go to your site, ready to give you a few thoughts (I'm middle age and not getting younger so I'm attending more and more funerals and have been asked to write my fair share of eulogies recently so I know a bit about memorializing the memory of others) and post some uplifting comments about Jenna that I found on the web, only to see that your Memorial comments all come down to her advertising her services on Craig's list.

Now, call me whatever you want, but I found that to be disrespectful in and of itself and really could not understand what you were thinking, but knowing that you usually have a reason for everything you do, just shook my head in dismay. I was disappointed, pissed off and tired after a 14 hour day and decided to post my thoughts here.

Maybe I should have mentioned it to you in a pm, but like I said, I had a 14 hour day and was pissed off at you, since I really expected so much more having known you from our "cordial relationship", and was actually disappointed. So I am thinking to myself, F this, now I have been made a fool of.

Well, I'm a big enough person to take whatever flame you have planned for me, but it was just a bit hard to understand how you could rant and rave about a site you found to be so disrespectful and have nothing but excuses as to why this was not important enough to you to show that your actions speak louder then your words.

And by the way, while I do not have a natural inclination towards ambushing people, I do however expect friends to honor friendships and acquaintances to be at least honest with one another. I also have a real problem with those who use the misfortunes of others as a stair to climb onto their soap box.

I will excuse myself now to put my flame resistant suit on, as I have come to expect the worse.

[BellaBellucci]

LAGent:

No flame, I just no longer care about your expectations. Like I said, you're not my father. Be disappointed all you like. Trust me, I'll live.

Although I will say that if your long-winded, repetitive response had come from anybody else, it would have been 'tl:dr.' All I said was 'thanks for nothing' and you went ballistic. You have no high and mighty reputation here, no moral standard to defend, no company to promote, so why such an overwhelming response, especially considering that I've apologized for my faux pas and explained how it came to be? I don't know, but to be honest, you've made me a bit curious now.

I'll grant you, you've found ways to push my buttons in the past, but apparently I just pushed one of yours. Again, your disappointment is your own. I told you I don't have the time to dedicate to a new project in the amount that you would apparently like me to, and you imply that because I can't do more, I don't have a right to complain about what has been done by others. Well, screw that. I can't stimulate the economy either. Does that mean I can't complain about unemployment?

You need to take a pill and relax, Hulk. I don't like you when you're angry.

~BB~

PS: I never represented myself as anything other than someone who knew Jezebel. You got that we were 'friends' all on your own.

[GroobySteven]

http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/

Added Jezebel to the site. One of the harder ones to write as I'd met her a few times.

http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/jezebel_arnold10011.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/jezebeljohnmagnum10061.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rubyD10143.jpg

[loveburst]

So I found this website that is linked to a PORN SITE and shows pictures of transsexuals who have died and states how they died.

Anyone else find the fact that these pictures are classless and show nudity wrong?

Who that died wants to be remembered for how big their tits and dick were?

http://www.grooby.com/fallenangels/

I don't find that f*cked up at all..

The very first time I ever saw this linked anywhere, was when I thought it is good to spread the information about how there are different destinies for girls involved in the industry - and that knowing these things can help better the stakes for all TGirls.

Personally I do not see it appropriate either to dismiss the consequences or -atleast what seem to be- shady circumstances, that are somehow related to the soulpaths and the lives of these girls..

Didn't see anything "objectifying" anyone on that site (unless peoples lifes work and the imprint they have left in our society, their natural beauty in form of the pictures taken of them can be seen as such), but perhaps I missed something..

The Vibe of the site is cool though, and I see no disrespect personally here..

[Felicia Katt]

RIP Jenna, our lost sister

[GroobySteven]

Thanks Felicia!
I assume there is no problem re-posting that information to relevant places?

[Felicia Katt]

Thanks Felicia!
I assume there is no problem re-posting that information to relevant places?
no, its up on here and on the other board and is also on Facebook and Twitter as well.

thanks for your help

FK

[Northof60]

I don't find this site fucked up at all. In fact it is the only memorial that some of these girls will ever have. Also in defense of Seanchai, I seem to recall a thread or 2 on this board asking for a site to be set up for "The Fallen Angels" and Seanchai was the lone person who took the time and allocate the bandwidth to do it. This fuckin place always amazes me as to how many people will flame someone first and ask questions later.

[tsparisangelline]

Flame the ISSUE IS NOT THE SITE

ITS THE FACT THE GIRLS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEPICTED WITH CLASS IN THEIR MEMORIAL PICS