Can a TGirl be too passable?

[Lavonne]

I know many TGirls strive to be as passable as possible, and I can understand that and in many public venues more passable also translates to less likely to be attacked and beaten, but what about in a private setting? I still consider myself to be lesbian but I still do like just a hint of maleness in a TGirl, and I'm not just talking about a nice big cock.

I'd like to hear opinions from both TGirls and admirers on this.

[MacShreach]

I know many TGirls strive to be as passable as possible, and I can understand that and in many public venues more passable also translates to less likely to be attacked and beaten, but what about in a private setting? I still consider myself to be lesbian but I still do like just a hint of maleness in a TGirl, and I'm not just talking about a nice big cock.

I'd like to hear opinions from both TGirls and admirers on this.



Personally I think the most beautiful Tgirls have a certain ambivalence in their look. Traditionally the Brazilians and Thais start hormones very young and have a non-surged look that is very fem but at the same time....different. They're passable.....but just a little androgenous. It makes them very striking. I always liked that look in both GG's and Tgirls. The attraction has very little to do with the cock, for me...It's that transformation thing again.

Here's a couple of examples of girls I personally find really, really attractive, maybe it'll show what I mean.

[Vicki Richter]

I know many TGirls strive to be as passable as possible, and I can understand that and in many public venues more passable also translates to less likely to be attacked and beaten, but what about in a private setting? I still consider myself to be lesbian but I still do like just a hint of maleness in a TGirl, and I'm not just talking about a nice big cock.

I'd like to hear opinions from both TGirls and admirers on this.

I am going to say no... There is no such thing as too passable. Being passable changes your life. Society interracts with you much better. I can't even describe it. When people think you're a pretty GG, you get treated like royalty. It's the small things like doors get held open even if you are 10 feet behind the guy holding it, having guys give you extra attention when taking your car into the shop or going to a hardware store, or getting drinks bought for you in any club. There is really no way to describe how much better (in the small ways) attractive women get treated. GG's are born this way and they just get used to it. It becomes an expectation. They never know anything different. This is a huge difference between being perceived as a pretty TS. If people see you as pretty but still clock you, you will still get treated differently. You'll still get the good treatment some of the time, but it isn't consistent. The mix between the good and bad doesn't balance.

I have really good insight into this because I've been an attractive looking TS, and a passable looking TS. I had surgery in 2000 which made me the Vicki Richter you've seen on shemale sites and most movies. I was an attractive shemale, but I don't feel I was truly passable. My nose was still too big, and I had some other features in my jaw/chin area that I wasn't happy with. Last November, I invested another $30k in surgeries and now I really never get clocked and then way society treats me is amazing. For girls thinking about surgery, I say do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Being a little under 5'7" and having a feminine voice helps also.

To highlight changes, which are/were subtle, but each dramatic in their own way...

[MoonAndStar]

very nice pics vicki.... after every set of surgery you have you become even more beatiful.... if that is possible..... :wink:

as for a Tgirl being to paassable i prefer a 'hint' of masculinity in the TS..... :wink:

[Quinn]

I had some other features in my jaw/chin area that I wasn't happy with.

The jaw line definitely gives a lot of TS ladies away.

-Quinn

[Ecstatic]

very nice pics vicki.... after every set of surgery you have you become even more beatiful.... if that is possible..... :wink:

"beatiful"? Pun intended, I assume. ;)

[InHouston]

I am going to say no... There is no such thing as too passable.

Consider a totally straight-line heterosexual guy who would never consider being with a TG, and they're out there. He takes one home, thinking he landed this really gorgeous chick, only to find out she has a chubby bigger than this. In such circumstances, yes it is possible to be too passable. Hence, I'm inclined to reason that the really passable TG's need to be extremely careful when courting hetero's.

[ska]

I have really good insight into this because I've been an attractive looking TS, and a passable looking TS. I had surgery in 2000 which made me the Vicki Richter you've seen on shemale sites and most movies. I was an attractive shemale, but I don't feel I was truly passable. My nose was still too big, and I had some other features in my jaw/chin area that I wasn't happy with. Last November, I invested another $30k in surgeries and now I really never get clocked and then way society treats me is amazing. For girls thinking about surgery, I say do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Being a little under 5'7" and having a feminine voice helps also.

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I would have to disagree here with you on this Vicki. I know my oppinion probably means ziltch about this but still I felt the need to share my thoughts. I don't personally really consider you a passable tranny. Thats not to say you aren't attractive because you are. You are very sexy looking but passable? Not really. You have come a long way through your various surgeries but I don't think you would be considered a real girl in appearance by many. I really hope this doesn't come off mean or anything because I really don't mean it to be that way. Like I said you are certainly attractive and I'm sure you are treated very nicely by many people because of this but I doubt it's because they are seeing you as a real (attractive ) GG.

Like another person said in another thread beauty and being passible is in the eye of the beholder so maybe some do consider you passable. But as a whole I don't see you as one of the more passable girls. But regardless you are sexy and you should take delight in that :-)

[Paul]

personally i love this pic of alexia....

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/alexia040_201_696.jpg

theres somethin about pics like this, with just the cock hangin out the end of the short skirts....something so sexy about them, and i personally think they cant be too passable, but there is a such thing as over trying.

[Vicki Richter]

I would have to disagree here with you on this Vicki. I know my oppinion probably means ziltch about this but still I felt the need to share my thoughts. I don't personally really consider you a passable tranny. Thats not to say you aren't attractive because you are. You are very sexy looking but passable? Not really. You have come a long way through your various surgeries but I don't think you would be considered a real girl in appearance by many. I really hope this doesn't come off mean or anything because I really don't mean it to be that way. Like I said you are certainly attractive and I'm sure you are treated very nicely by many people because of this but I doubt it's because they are seeing you as a real (attractive ) GG.

Like another person said in another thread beauty and being passible is in the eye of the beholder so maybe some do consider you passable. But as a whole I don't see you as one of the more passable girls. But regardless you are sexy and you should take delight in that :-)

I guess you'd have to meet me in person to understand one way or the other. I just never get clocked... I'm not bragging it's just the way it is. It's not just a going out to clubs at night thing... it's way more. I get hit on during the day by guys with their friends in a Subway. At clubs I might dance with a dozen guys on a given night... That is up front, in your face, dancing... again in front of their friends, etc. I've never had a guy be shy about taking me out in public and holding my hand... All these are huge indicators. The best examples I could give would be when I meet guy's (who don't know) GG friends... and they don't know... How do I know they don't know? Because they aren't telling the guy I'm hanging out with, "ummm that's a transsexual". I do activities constantly that some girls would consider crazy or risky... not because I am crazy or risky, but simply because I can.

I could give hundreds of examples here. Having been admittedly on the other side of the fence and 99% of my work having been done prior to my latest surgeries, I can see how one would get that perception.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/print.php?ID=14039


Shemale Vicki Richter is so damn passable, I saw many a guy at the recent AVN show who had no idea she was a tranny until it was pointed out to them. And even the straightest of straight have to admit that she's as good looking as any female porn star in the industry right now. Vicki just won the AVN award for Transsexual Performer of the Year – and if you'd like an idea why, just check out her threesome here with the always-naughty (and sexy!) Julie Night and Asian performer Kemmy. I might also point out that Vicki's also one of the few she-males you'll see who really cums hard when she does cum...far too many trannys in the industry don't deliver much of a cumshot because of all the estrogen they intake. Vicki, on the other hand, can really deliver. She truly is "the best of both worlds"!

http://www.foundrymusic.com/BANDS/displayinterview.cfm/id/117/div/BANDS/page/A_VERY_SHORT_INTERVIEW_WITH_VICKI_RICHTER.html


This interview (and a few upcoming ones) are going to be very short and somewhat sweet. The reason for their brevity is that they were recorded with a crappy hand-held digital recorder this past January on the floor of the 2005 ADULT EXPO in Las Vegas, Nevada. As you will see by the simplistic nature of my questions, I wasn't prepared very well for this interview with Vicki Richter, who was one of the MOST CONVINCING transsexuals I met while at the convention in Vegas.

[Brideshead]

I have really good insight into this because I've been an attractive looking TS, and a passable looking TS. I had surgery in 2000 which made me the Vicki Richter you've seen on shemale sites and most movies. I was an attractive shemale, but I don't feel I was truly passable. My nose was still too big, and I had some other features in my jaw/chin area that I wasn't happy with. Last November, I invested another $30k in surgeries and now I really never get clocked and then way society treats me is amazing. For girls thinking about surgery, I say do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Being a little under 5'7" and having a feminine voice helps also.

To highlight changes, which are/were subtle, but each dramatic in their own way...


I would have to disagree here with you on this Vicki. I know my oppinion probably means ziltch about this but still I felt the need to share my thoughts. I don't personally really consider you a passable tranny. Thats not to say you aren't attractive because you are. You are very sexy looking but passable? Not really. You have come a long way through your various surgeries but I don't think you would be considered a real girl in appearance by many. I really hope this doesn't come off mean or anything because I really don't mean it to be that way. Like I said you are certainly attractive and I'm sure you are treated very nicely by many people because of this but I doubt it's because they are seeing you as a real (attractive ) GG.

Like another person said in another thread beauty and being passible is in the eye of the beholder so maybe some do consider you passable. But as a whole I don't see you as one of the more passable girls. But regardless you are sexy and you should take delight in that :-)[/quote]



I couldn't disagree with you more. Vicki is very passable, and I believe her when she writes that she isn't clocked. I wonder if we are looking at the same photograph, because when I see a photograph of Vicki, I see a very beautiful woman.

[Brideshead]

I don't understand why some people think that they are authorities on transexual women. Writing that Vicki is not passable is laughable. She is passable, and so are some of the other women who post on this forum. I will acknowledge that each person has a preference, and some people prefer barely clockable women and others prefer more masculine women, while others prefer someone in the middle. I understand that this is a subjective topic, but its subjectivism doesn't mean that reason should be tossed aside. Also what was written to Vicki is rude. This is a woman who has spent a considerable sum of money to acheive the look she has, and I think it is insulting to tell her sorry almost, but not quite,and to add insult to injury, it was written in a condesending tone.

[ska]

Well I don't claim to be a professional autority on the science of passable or non passable tg-girls.

I also meant no dis-respect what-so-ever, I think I came off rather nice about it all. Vicki seems to be one to indulge in debate and I felt she could handle my thoughts.

I will also concede I have not seen any new vids of her since her latest surgeries. I have seen many video's of her though and some aren't that old. The Joey Silvera's ones especially. The latest pictures I saw posted (here) I think with her new enhanced boobs are really new right? Well I made my judgement from looking at those since I figured they were pretty recent. Vicki is Damn sexy in my oppinion. I am not standing in judgement of her at all. I just don't see her as passable. Sexy, cute, hot, pretty, Yes to all of these, but not a passable girl.

Maybe it's like someone else said in another thread where I have my tgirl radar on or something but I feel I would recognize her as a t-girl even if I didn't know so much about t-girls. I also said i know my oppinion will probably mean ziltch, it's just an oppinion.

I can't argue what she says happens in everyday life to her. Maybe she does meet alot of guys who don't know. I admit to finding that hard to believe a little. Not that she gets hit on by people she thinks don't know, but that they actually don't know. Maybe the guys don't care or are secret admirers of t-girls and want to pretend they aren't in the know. I am sure some guys wouldn't know too. I mean all guys don't have a radar for this stuff . But anyway, it doesn't really matter. I mean if she feels good and likes her life then thats all thats really important. I meant no disrespect and like I said a couple times already Vicki is damn attractive.

Maybe my standards are really high or something. To me passable and sexy are different things.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I guess this is one of those questions like- can anyone be too rich, or too this or too that of things that are generally considered positive.

I think it is quite silly to simply rely on the compliments of people- or what fans have to say about you to fortify what you look like ot not. Everyone is going to have a different opinion and reaction to you- and that is it. If I were to believe or let go to my head the emails and fan mail I get daily with compliments such as "You are the most beautiful woman in the world"- "You are the most beautiful transsexual ever"- "You are so....."-to make a long story short- those compliments are great yes, and I am appreciative of EVERY single compliment I recieve. I do not really think or agree with any of them- and if I did, I would certainly be one dellusional tranny walking around with an over bloated ego O(I figured there are many of those around anyway). HOWEVER, the true test of my personal appearance- does not come from flattery or my work in the adult business. It comes from when I look in the mirror , or leave my apt., or go into any social setting.

DO I personally think I am passable? To be honest, I don't think about that. I live my life with confidence, and when I go out on the street I get a lot of attention from men. I go anywhere and really don't have any problems. Of course people look at me- its hard not to notice me.
But from years of experience I can tell when someone is looking at me in a 'positive' way- or a 'negative' way. Again, this does not bother me.

Some people are going to think various things about- have you seen me on any of those Maury shows? You get a variety of reactions and what people percieve. By no means is that a slice of reality- but I live and function as I would in any way and do not let my transsexuality or over the top look prevent me from doing anything I would not want to do.

I don't sit around worrying about what other people think of me because maybe I am too busy thinking about what I think of me- which is far more important.

I have had boyfriends- been on dates- travelled all over- and have done so with personal confidence.

I live in a city where people KNOW transsexuals much easier than in other places. Nothing gets by many New Yorkers- but guess what most people just don't care.

I was on vacation together with my mon in the Dominican Republic las year and we were going out to this night clubs in these resorts and I kept on meeting guys and dancing with them and such- and then I had to realize- wait I am sure this is the last thing this person is thinking that he is gonna be dancing with a tranny here.

To sum it up- I don't go out to bars and pick up guys or try to fool them- or send them pics on the net saying I am a woman. I could do that very easily and if I had a sex change - would probably get away with it to the full extent. But that is not my m.o ot how I value my self worth or my "passibility".

[Baran]

I guess this is one of those questions like- can anyone be too rich, or too this or too that of things that are generally considered positive.

I think it is quite silly to simply rely on the compliments of people- or what fans have to say about you to fortify what you look like ot not. Everyone is going to have a different opinion and reaction to you- and that is it. If I were to believe or let go to my head the emails and fan mail I get daily with compliments such as "You are the most beautiful woman in the world"- "You are the most beautiful transsexual ever"- "You are so....."-to make a long story short- those compliments are great yes, and I am appreciative of EVERY single compliment I recieve. I do not really think or agree with any of them- and if I did, I would certainly be one dellusional tranny walking around with an over bloated ego O(I figured there are many of those around anyway). HOWEVER, the true test of my personal appearance- does not come from flattery or my work in the adult business. It comes from when I look in the mirror , or leave my apt., or go into any social setting.

DO I personally think I am passable? To be honest, I don't think about that. I live my life with confidence, and when I go out on the street I get a lot of attention from men. I go anywhere and really don't have any problems. Of course people look at me- its hard not to notice me.
But from years of experience I can tell when someone is looking at me in a 'positive' way- or a 'negative' way. Again, this does not bother me.

Some people are going to think various things about- have you seen me on any of those Maury shows? You get a variety of reactions and what people percieve. By no means is that a slice of reality- but I live and function as I would in any way and do not let my transsexuality or over the top look prevent me from doing anything I would not want to do.

I don't sit around worrying about what other people think of me because maybe I am too busy thinking about what I think of me- which is far more important.

I have had boyfriends- been on dates- travelled all over- and have done so with personal confidence.

I live in a city where people KNOW transsexuals much easier than in other places. Nothing gets by many New Yorkers- but guess what most people just don't care.

I was on vacation together with my mon in the Dominican Republic las year and we were going out to this night clubs in these resorts and I kept on meeting guys and dancing with them and such- and then I had to realize- wait I am sure this is the last thing this person is thinking that he is gonna be dancing with a tranny here.

To sum it up- I don't go out to bars and pick up guys or try to fool them- or send them pics on the net saying I am a woman. I could do that very easily and if I had a sex change - would probably get away with it to the full extent. But that is not my m.o ot how I value my self worth or my "passibility".

I have seen Maury sometimes and i get the feeling that he makes a mockery of transsexuals. He makes money by it. At least that is how i feel.

[Vicki Richter]

I've only made one released video since my last surgeries. So I am pretty confident we're on the same page ska. I will say this though... even if the guy has a transsexual fetish, he would never out himself in front of his straight male and female friends for that fetish by hitting on a "clockable" TS publicly... unless he is very comfortable and openly bi (not common). A TS girl wouldn't see this behavior from men again and again... when their friends are present.

An example, when I was getting my breasts redone, I went to the doctor for my initial consultation without mentioning I was TS. Everything was going fine, I had been meeting with his office staff, filling out some questionaires verbally, etc. Well the doctor came in and we met for about 10 minutes consulting going over things, and he starts going over my list of medications (which includes my hormones), and he stops.... pauses... and says... ummm... are you a... At this point (easily 30 minutes into the whole thing between me meeting with the office staff and him) he starts getting really flustered and uncomfortable. He tells me there is another doctor in town who focusses on TS and informed me that he probably wouldn't have recommended I see him had he known. We talk through it, I explained I really liked his work, named several other doctors I'd worked with (some he knew and respected) and he finally agrees to doing my surgery. Later the main office worker (female) who was in the room with us apologized saying, "I'm sorry you got that reaction from him, none of us had any idea and you took us off guard."

I mean this is just a small example of hundreds. You are welcome to say that I am lying about it as you suggest, but this is a case where, "it is what it is". I'm the one living my life. Again, having been on both sides of the equation, I am a realist. Girls know when they get clocked... Most, if not all, of us are hypersensitive to the fact. I'm not saying I am flawless by any extent, just that I'm very under the radar overall and do well in that capacity.

Ms A had some very good points as well.

[Trogdor]

I guess this is one of those questions like- can anyone be too rich, or too this or too that of things that are generally considered positive.

I think it is quite silly to simply rely on the compliments of people- or what fans have to say about you to fortify what you look like ot not. Everyone is going to have a different opinion and reaction to you- and that is it. If I were to believe or let go to my head the emails and fan mail I get daily with compliments such as "You are the most beautiful woman in the world"- "You are the most beautiful transsexual ever"- "You are so....."-to make a long story short- those compliments are great yes, and I am appreciative of EVERY single compliment I recieve. I do not really think or agree with any of them- and if I did, I would certainly be one dellusional tranny walking around with an over bloated ego O(I figured there are many of those around anyway). HOWEVER, the true test of my personal appearance- does not come from flattery or my work in the adult business. It comes from when I look in the mirror , or leave my apt., or go into any social setting.

DO I personally think I am passable? To be honest, I don't think about that. I live my life with confidence, and when I go out on the street I get a lot of attention from men. I go anywhere and really don't have any problems. Of course people look at me- its hard not to notice me.
But from years of experience I can tell when someone is looking at me in a 'positive' way- or a 'negative' way. Again, this does not bother me.

Some people are going to think various things about- have you seen me on any of those Maury shows? You get a variety of reactions and what people percieve. By no means is that a slice of reality- but I live and function as I would in any way and do not let my transsexuality or over the top look prevent me from doing anything I would not want to do.

I don't sit around worrying about what other people think of me because maybe I am too busy thinking about what I think of me- which is far more important.

I have had boyfriends- been on dates- travelled all over- and have done so with personal confidence.

I live in a city where people KNOW transsexuals much easier than in other places. Nothing gets by many New Yorkers- but guess what most people just don't care.

I was on vacation together with my mon in the Dominican Republic las year and we were going out to this night clubs in these resorts and I kept on meeting guys and dancing with them and such- and then I had to realize- wait I am sure this is the last thing this person is thinking that he is gonna be dancing with a tranny here.

To sum it up- I don't go out to bars and pick up guys or try to fool them- or send them pics on the net saying I am a woman. I could do that very easily and if I had a sex change - would probably get away with it to the full extent. But that is not my m.o ot how I value my self worth or my "passibility".

I have seen Maury sometimes and i get the feeling that he makes a mockery of transsexuals. He makes money by it. At least that is how i feel.

I don't . I think it's just funny seeing the people in the audience saying "That's a MAN/WOMAN!" , especially the fat black chicks, they always crack me up. :mrgreen:

But anyhow, I don't see how being too passable can be bad.......sorta like the old saying, you can't be too thino ro too rich. Somewhere among those lines.


And Allanah, you do fit the description of being totally passable.......and I dig the new picture with pink. :D

[BOATER]

I guess this is one of those questions like- can anyone be too rich, or too this or too that of things that are generally considered positive.

I think it is quite silly to simply rely on the compliments of people- or what fans have to say about you to fortify what you look like ot not. Everyone is going to have a different opinion and reaction to you- and that is it. If I were to believe or let go to my head the emails and fan mail I get daily with compliments such as "You are the most beautiful woman in the world"- "You are the most beautiful transsexual ever"- "You are so....."-).
This sound like an email I sent you. You mean other feel the same way? :oops: lol
HOWEVER, the true test of my personal appearance- does not come from flattery or my work in the adult business. It comes from when I look in the mirror , or leave my apt., or go into any social setting.

Of course people look at me- its hard not to notice me.
But from years of experience I can tell when someone is looking at me in a 'positive' way- or a 'negative' way. Again, this does not bother me.

I don't sit around worrying about what other people think of me because maybe I am too busy thinking about what I think of me- which is far more important.

I But that is not my m.o ot how I value my self worth or my "passibility".

Summed up perfectly. Confidence in who you are and not what others preceive is the key. Feeling comfortable and not worrying about be "passable" by someone standards is wonderful. If you are happy when you look at yourself, wonderful. And if you aren't and want to make any adjustment, do it. But do if for yourself, not your BF, GF, or the public.

[Brideshead]

People should just stop stressing over wheather they are clockable or gay. People should just live their lives as best they can, and try to use the limited time that we have on this planet as best they can. Be safe, and be wise, but relax and enjoy the life that God has given you.

[slinky]

I will say this though... even if the guy has a transsexual fetish, he would never out himself in front of his straight male and female friends for that fetish by hitting on a "clockable" TS publicly... .

Most guys think TS's are like Mopeds:

They're fun to ride, but you don't want to let your friends see you doing it.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Most guys think TS's are like Mopeds:

They're fun to ride, but you don't want to let your friends see you doing it.

LOL. Sooo true. :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[Brideshead]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

[la2bkk]

lol never thought of TS girls in terms of mopeds... reasonable minds can differ, but i've always assumed most men on this board consider themselves straight. (the few girls i have spoken with seem to confirm that belief.) if true, i'd imagine most guys (myself included) want a girl as passable as possible. am i missing something?

[slinky]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

[Brideshead]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

I really don't see what the shame is. I would proudly go anywhere with a transexual woman. I think they are beautiful. Yes some are more clockable than others, and I really couldn't care less. If it is someone I have desire to be with, I am going to be with that person,and to Hell with what anyone thinks.

[ska]

You are welcome to say that I am lying about it as you suggest, but this is a case where, "it is what it is".
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Vicki I am sorry you thought I was calling you a lyer. I did not mean to suggest that for a second. What I thought I said or atleast meant to say was I thought maybe you thought these people didn't know when maybe they secretly did know. In any case I stand corrected with your mentioned trip to the doctor.

I will tell you I thought alot about this debate/conversation since posting earlier today. I came to the conclusion (even before reading your latest reply) that I may have been wrong. I believe I may be looking through different eyes these days than a "non in the know" tgirl admirer. Its been a long time for me now as a tgirl fantasizer so I believe I probably notice things normal straight guys wouldn't. So I will take you at your word that you are a passable girl in real life. I actually feel bad now even sharing my previous oppinions on this subject. It really wasn't my place to jump in with those views. I appoligize if anyone may have been offended at all. I don't think Vicki was (she seems far too strong a person for that) but someone else may have been. But anyway I now think I was wrong so sorry for all the hub bub.

Side note, Vicki really is a damn good debater :)

[Ecstatic]

8)

[Ecstatic]

That's me channeling PartlyCloudy. :wink:

Personally, I think Tgirls are like motorcycles, hot and fast and fun, and I'm proud to be seen anywhere with a motorcycle, er, tgirl. Really. Out to dinner, shopping, whatever.

[Ecstatic]

But of course. 8)

[chefmike]

Actually that's a scooter, not a moped...scooter's don't have "peds".

[trestokk]

Too passable? No way. Though i do find some masculinity in both TGs and GGs sometimes attractive, i really like shemales to be as passable as possible. :)

I often have fantasies about famous GGs having cocks. And i find the idea of having a girlfriend with a penis that can fool everyone quite arousing.

[trestokk]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

I really don't see what the shame is. I would proudly go anywhere with a transexual woman. I think they are beautiful. Yes some are more clockable than others, and I really couldn't care less. If it is someone I have desire to be with, I am going to be with that person,and to Hell with what anyone thinks.Thats really admirable. I have to admit i'm not as brave as you.

[NickTheQuick]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

I really don't see what the shame is. I would proudly go anywhere with a transexual woman. I think they are beautiful. Yes some are more clockable than others, and I really couldn't care less. If it is someone I have desire to be with, I am going to be with that person,and to Hell with what anyone thinks.Thats really admirable. I have to admit i'm not as brave as you.

Yes very admirable. Though I did notice he used "would" instead of "do". Kinda like me saying ... If I win the lottery tomorrow I will buy all of you cars. Until I win the lottery that don't mean shit. It's just words.

What I am getting at for some of you slow folk here, my guess is that he has never been on a date with a transexual, outside of maybe one in a hotel room. He has never been physically (or verbally) threatened/assaulted by some moron that "don't like men with tits".

[chefmike]

I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

I really don't see what the shame is. I would proudly go anywhere with a transexual woman. I think they are beautiful. Yes some are more clockable than others, and I really couldn't care less. If it is someone I have desire to be with, I am going to be with that person,and to Hell with what anyone thinks.Thats really admirable. I have to admit i'm not as brave as you.

Yes very admirable. Though I did notice he used "would" instead of "do". Kinda like me saying ... If I win the lottery tomorrow I will buy all of you cars. Until I win the lottery that don't mean shit. It's just words.

What I am getting at for some of you slow folk here, my guess is that he has never been on a date with a transexual, outside of maybe one in a hotel room. He has never been physically (or verbally) threatened/assaulted by some moron that "don't like men with tits".

This could be a record. How many posts has it been since Maidenhead has posted a picture of you know who, Nick?

[Brideshead]

[quote=Brideshead]I couldn't care less if a person knows that the woman I'm with is a transexual or not.

You're a better person than 95% of the population.

I really don't see what the shame is. I would proudly go anywhere with a transexual woman. I think they are beautiful. Yes some are more clockable than others, and I really couldn't care less. If it is someone I have desire to be with, I am going to be with that person,and to Hell with what anyone thinks.Thats really admirable. I have to admit i'm not as brave as you.

Yes very admirable. Though I did notice he used "would" instead of "do". Kinda like me saying ... If I win the lottery tomorrow I will buy all of you cars. Until I win the lottery that don't mean shit. It's just words.

What I am getting at for some of you slow folk here, my guess is that he has never been on a date with a transexual, outside of maybe one in a hotel room. He has never been physically (or verbally) threatened/assaulted by some moron that "don't like men with tits".


Chefmike your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. You are totally wrong,and I wasn't aware that my every word was going to be scrutinized. Before you jump to conclusions, why don't you ask? It seems that you are a big man when it comes to posting, because it doesn't take much to be insulting and mocking people in front of a computer monitor. This thread isn't about me, and I am not going to bicker with you or Nick. If you have a desire to play your little boy games, do so without me.

[Brideshead]

This is to Dumb and Dumber. I treat women respectfully and not like a piece of meat. You don't know anything about me, and yet the both of you have determined that I have never been on a date with a transexual, because of a misused word. It is late, and I'm tired. Grow up the both of you.

[tsntx]

I am going to say no... There is no such thing as too passable.

Consider a totally straight-line heterosexual guy who would never consider being with a TG, and they're out there. He takes one home, thinking he landed this really gorgeous chick, only to find out she has a chubby bigger than this. In such circumstances, yes it is possible to be too passable. Hence, I'm inclined to reason that the really passable TG's need to be extremely careful when courting hetero's.

this has more to do w/ the girl being a liar w/ a deathwish then being too passable..

[chefmike]

tsk, tsk...don't go getting your panties in a bunch, Maidenhead. I can't speak for Nick, but I will continue to insult and mock you whenever I see fit. Yes, we are both behind computer moniters. I am quite sure that if we ever had words in person, you would scurry away like the titmouse that you are. Please don't take this in a bad way, as it's obvious that you're a sensitive lad.

[NickTheQuick]

This is to Dumb and Dumber. I treat women respectfully and not like a piece of meat. You don't know anything about me, and yet the both of you have determined that I have never been on a date with a transexual, because of a misused word. It is late, and I'm tired. Grow up the both of you.

Said the 46 year old Tupac fan. Well if I was wrong I apologize. But based on some of your dumbass questions(which I let slide btw) on here and asking where to find a transexual in the city of Chicago was my hint.

I am an equal opportunity dumbass hater, don't feel that you are being singled out.

[slinky]

this has more to do w/ the girl being a liar w/ a deathwish then being too passable..

I agree wih one exception:

A TS goes to a club which is well known for being a TS hangout. It's place she goes all the time. Some clueless guy wanders in there and has no idea it's a TS hangout. He picks her up, and since "everyone knows" it's a TS hangout, she doesn't bother to tell him because she assumes he's just another Tranny Chaser (we use TS and GG, should we ust use the acronym "TC" from now on when referring to guys?).

PS This isn't a made up story.

[Baran]

I am going to say no... There is no such thing as too passable.

Consider a totally straight-line heterosexual guy who would never consider being with a TG, and they're out there. He takes one home, thinking he landed this really gorgeous chick, only to find out she has a chubby bigger than this. In such circumstances, yes it is possible to be too passable. Hence, I'm inclined to reason that the really passable TG's need to be extremely careful when courting hetero's.

this has more to do w/ the girl being a liar w/ a deathwish then being too passable..

In Germany a guy thought a was dating a real girl. When he found she was a transsexual he killed the poor thing. He just bashed her head in.
The judge felt sympathetic to this guy so he only got two years.

[MacShreach]

It's just words.

What I am getting at for some of you slow folk here, my guess is that he has never been on a date with a transexual, outside of maybe one in a hotel room. He has never been physically (or verbally) threatened/assaulted by some moron that "don't like men with tits".

Yeah, well, I have been out with TG's. I have also been out on the town with the kind of gay man whose looks get noticed. And do I mean noticed. I've never ever had any difficulty resisting gay men hitting on me, so why not? Cause some fuckwit thinks he's going to shoot his mouth at me? LOL

I feel complete confidence in saying I'm with Brideshead on this. If you like someone enough to spend time with them you have to be prepared to be seen with them. Otherwise what are you?

[Brideshead]

tsk, tsk...don't go getting your panties in a bunch, Maidenhead. I can't speak for Nick, but I will continue to insult and mock you whenever I see fit. Yes, we are both behind computer moniters. I am quite sure that if we ever had words in person, you would scurry away like the titmouse that you are. Please don't take this in a bad way, as it's obvious that you're a sensitive lad.

I am not a senstitive lad as you put it. I just don't take shit from anyone, especially ass holes. Also, I would stand up to you in person any time, any where you loser. It is obvious that your only outlets in life is jerking off to internet porn, and trying to convince yourself that you're a man. I couldn't give a rats ass what you think. You blonde wig wearing cross dresser. You attack ., and I know why. She is more of a man than you'll ever be, and more of a women than you'll ever have. This is the internet. Get real fool.

[thugsation]

I think it helps if the TS was pretty as a guy to begin with. Guys who are already cute and feminine looking to begin with usually pass better as women. They're the ones who benefit from plastic surgery. If a TS is already masculine looking, there's only so much they can do since the results are usually subtle anyway.

[chefmike]

tsk, tsk...don't go getting your panties in a bunch, Maidenhead. I can't speak for Nick, but I will continue to insult and mock you whenever I see fit. Yes, we are both behind computer moniters. I am quite sure that if we ever had words in person, you would scurry away like the titmouse that you are. Please don't take this in a bad way, as it's obvious that you're a sensitive lad.

I am not a senstitive lad as you put it. I just don't take shit from anyone, especially ass holes. Also, I would stand up to you in person any time, any where you loser. It is obvious that your only outlets in life is jerking off to internet porn, and trying to convince yourself that you're a man. I couldn't give a rats ass what you think. You blonde wig wearing cross dresser. You attack ., and I know why. She is more of a man than you'll ever be, and more of a women than you'll ever have. This is the internet. Get real fool.

Now, now....dry your eyes Maidenhead....need a tissue, or maybe a tampon? You are so sensitive.

[Ecstatic]

Actually that's a scooter, not a moped...scooter's don't have "peds".
Well, I didn't say it was a moped, did I? It was the closest I could come to a pic of a cute tgirl on a moped.

[Brideshead]

tsk, tsk...don't go getting your panties in a bunch, Maidenhead. I can't speak for Nick, but I will continue to insult and mock you whenever I see fit. Yes, we are both behind computer moniters. I am quite sure that if we ever had words in person, you would scurry away like the titmouse that you are. Please don't take this in a bad way, as it's obvious that you're a sensitive lad.

I am not a senstitive lad as you put it. I just don't take shit from anyone, especially ass holes. Also, I would stand up to you in person any time, any where you loser. It is obvious that your only outlets in life is jerking off to internet porn, and trying to convince yourself that you're a man. I couldn't give a rats ass what you think. You blonde wig wearing cross dresser. You attack ., and I know why. She is more of a man than you'll ever be, and more of a women than you'll ever have. This is the internet. Get real fool.

Now, now....dry your eyes Maidenhead....need a tissue, or maybe a tampon? You are so sensitive.

You cannot insult me, because I couldn't care less what you think. I am not going to waste my time exchanging barbed comments and insults with you. If you wish to continue to write comments such as these, you are of course priviledge to do so. However, I am a mature man, and I will not condesend to playing your boyish games. I wish you a good day.

[chefmike]

Actually that's a scooter, not a moped...scooter's don't have "peds".
Well, I didn't say it was a moped, did I? It was the closest I could come to a pic of a cute tgirl on a moped.

No, you didn't! I put that in there because the reference was mopeds, and that's a scooter...Easy, big fella.

[Ecstatic]

Well said, Shalaya. And a cute new avatar!

Chefmike: :?: sorry, you've lost me. I'm just trying for a little fun; I know the difference between a moped and a scooter!

[chefmike]

No problem, you might be surprised how many people don't.

[tsntx]

this has more to do w/ the girl being a liar w/ a deathwish then being too passable..

I agree wih one exception:

A TS goes to a club which is well known for being a TS hangout. It's place she goes all the time. Some clueless guy wanders in there and has no idea it's a TS hangout. He picks her up, and since "everyone knows" it's a TS hangout, she doesn't bother to tell him because she assumes he's just another Tranny Chaser (we use TS and GG, should we ust use the acronym "TC" from now on when referring to guys?).

PS This isn't a made up story.

so what?? its still her RESPONSIBILITY to TELL each and every guy ESP. if shes gonna be a whore and go home w/ some random bar guy...

[tsntx]

I am going to say no... There is no such thing as too passable.

Consider a totally straight-line heterosexual guy who would never consider being with a TG, and they're out there. He takes one home, thinking he landed this really gorgeous chick, only to find out she has a chubby bigger than this. In such circumstances, yes it is possible to be too passable. Hence, I'm inclined to reason that the really passable TG's need to be extremely careful when courting hetero's.

this has more to do w/ the girl being a liar w/ a deathwish then being too passable..

In Germany a guy thought a was dating a real girl. When he found she was a transsexual he killed the poor thing. He just bashed her head in.
The judge felt sympathetic to this guy so he only got two years.

again... that story has more to do w/ her being a LIAR then being "too passable" ...

[slinky]

so what?? its still her RESPONSIBILITY to TELL each and every guy ESP. if shes gonna be a whore and go home w/ some random bar guy...

Two guys meet at Splash. One asks the other out to dinner. Afterwards they go hang out at one of the guy's apartments. One guy goes to kiss the other, and he says "What are you, gay or something?". Is it the guy's fault because he didn't tell him he was gay back at Splash?

PS You're very uptight sexually.

[iagodelgado]

I've read quite a few other posts on the passable issue and one thing always intrigued me with people like Vicki/Allanah. I couldn't see how either would ever 'pass' given the amount of time and effort they put into making sure that they are both distinctive (memorable) and well-publicised.

To give an example, I was watching All New Cosmetic Surgery Live on UK television around May this year. Some oddly quirky things you learn, like women getting calf implants. Always thought thta would have be a man-only thing. And amongst these unusual moments, up pops Allanah Starr, full front naked. I think she's got a pic from her appearance on her website. The point is this. The show wasn't a TS show, just cosmetic surgery, but Allanah has been on mainstream UK TV at prime time - just as memorable as ever.

To return to the 'passable' issue, I found it really hard to understand how such a test can possibly be applied to people who are so well-publicised. I was interested that Allanah doesn't seem to see it as relevant. And that Vicki somehow manages to escape from the world-that-knows-her into social settings where she isn't known. Any more info on how you do that, Vicki? Really interesting.

And then unfortunately another question that is key sort of emerged and sort of got lost. When should someone who is TS tell another she is TS, if at all, and if she doesn't, how far is the other person allowed to go (or get off, depending on the way you think about it), or possibly more accurately how far should the person be able to go, or not! Shame it got submerged because it's a key question for society and I would really like to have heard Vicki/Allanah's views on this bit.

Any chance ladies?

Regards,
Iago

[dreamer]

"can a Tgirl be TOO passable"?????? ---this has to be one of the stupidest questions I've ever thought to answer!!! ---

1. isn't somewhat a GOAL for Tgirls to be as passable as possible?

2. if a Tgirl is TOO passable.........wait a second --TOO PASSABLE! ---so she's lookin too FEMININE???----if a Tgirl looks TOO feminine --and she appears obvious ---then her whole goal is spent ----the question is an oxymoron ----can the sky be too blue? --can the leaves of a tree be too green (or red --Jap maple --heheh) ---can ice be too cold? ---can fresh snow be too white? -------if a Tgirl is TOO passable ---she's prolly a drag queen


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[MarylandsMighty]

The only thing I can say is if a TG is too passable no guy would ever ask if she is a TG or a GG.

So it is the girls responsibility no matter how awkward the moment, to inform her paramour of what is beneath her dress.

The onus lies on the passable TG rather than the man. For no man would ever ask a hot girl, if she is indeed a girl.

So as TsnTX put it, its more about lying rather than passability.

I dont go for passable or non passable, etc. I go for what I like, I mean no different than seeing a group of GGs and finding one prettier than another,

Some I like, some I dont. Same for TGs as well as GGs.

[TT321]

It is possible for a t-girl to be TOO passable aka no guy would ever clock them as anything but a female

EXAMPLE: Jaquelin has all the features of a woman with all the right proportions with an asshole that looks like a woman's vagina

[dj4monie]

I think its this -

There GG's and TG's that are passable I still wouldn't caught dead with, how about that?

What makes most GG's ugly is manish features

What makes more TG's ugly? manish features.

Cha-Ching!

Sure you have woman that are just plain ugly but they still look like women.

If your a TG and can go up in a Hetero club (Hip Hop, there's more testorone being thrown around), compete for male attention with GG's and not get clocked, MISSON ACCOMPLISHED!

Let's face it some of you don't give a fug, if she has a big dick that's all that counts. Who cares if she looks a bit like your boy Howard with makeup on. All you have to do is look at the post with all the manish looking T's in it. Look how many go gaga over that.

That shhh don't thrill me, I date White GG's almost exclusively and look for the same in TG's which make the task daughting to say the least.

I attract enough attention to myself I don't need my woman to be clocked at unexpected times, I just can't have it.

Its not a question of being in the "closet" or anything like that. I like my women to look like women and up to this point I haven't found a non-sex worker TS that looks "enough" like a woman for my comfort level.

Just like I won't date an ugly woman Im not dating an ugly T because all too often that mean she looks like Derek Jetter.

[slinky]

EXAMPLE: Jaquelin has all the features of a woman with all the right proportions with an asshole that looks like a woman's vagina

sure... (http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/good_gets/selcrazy.mp3)

[MarylandsMighty]

an asshole that looks like a womans vagina is the most hilarious descriptive phrase I have ever read.

I mean imagine "asshole that looks like the clowns mouth from the putt putt course"

"asshole that looks like a yawning bear"

it could go on and on, and really helps you. lol

[BeardedOne]

an asshole that looks like a womans vagina is the most hilarious descriptive phrase I have ever read.

I mean imagine "asshole that looks like the clowns mouth from the putt putt course"

"asshole that looks like a yawning bear"

it could go on and on, and really helps you. lol

*Snark!* :lol:

I've just got this image of a yawning bear. :lol:

'Course, there's assholes that look like your boss, your husband/wife, and the guy that cut you off at the interchange. :)

But I digress.

[buckstar]

I don't think a girl could ever be to passable.

hopefully they're honest about it though....

[dabaldone]

I agree with a Allanah's post. A lot of it is attitude and confidence. I just ended a 3 yr realtionship with a TS that was consumed by how she looked. One example; we moved into a new condo. There was a mixed couple living next door who spoke to us when we first moved in. Soon afterwards, mygf was upset because they stopped speaking. She felt that it was because they "knew".
My take on it was the woman was fat and white. The guy was black and in good shape. It was probaly jealously on the womans part. I am confident in who I am and could care less if people know my woman was a TS. If a TS carries herself with confidence and is a lady, who cares.

[RangeHova]

I'm really not getting this post. I guess the question boils down to if you like a hint of maleness to the girls that we date.

I still don't know how to answer the question. On the surface, I would say hell no. I want my girl as feminine, soft and pretty as possible. But then i look at some of the genetic women that i have dated and there has been some similarities with TS women.

These haven't been so much maleness hints but those hints of glamour that as so common with TS women. Some people connect those things to trans women. And at times genetic women lacking that touch of glamour don't get my attention as much.

Ultimately i like that make-up counter/drag pageant glam look. It doesn't have to be a daily thing but little here and there (when we go out) suits me fine.

Sure that is not maleness, but many people have remarked that some of my GG women friends had drag queenlike make-up, clothes, hair, overall styles.

[RangeHova]

Why would a T woman feel like she needed to tell a guy that she was transgendered if she meets him in a tranny bar or gay bar?

I mean if the guy seems clueless, I'd understand.

But if he seems like he knows what is going on and seems like he fits in...

I have meet many girls in clubs and none have told me that she was transgendered. That is pretty much a given.

[Marilyn]

On my last visit to the Emergency Room due to food poison (so Dr said) while I was laying down on the bed the Dr was asking me a series of questions such as When did the pain started? ...etc..then one of the questions he asked was, When did you have your last menstruation? My answer was "Ive never menstruated" he said "huh? what you mean you have never menstruated?" I responded "simply because I was born with male genitalia" his eyes opened really wide, he turned red as a tomatoe, he stopped feeling my stomach, then he said, I'll be right back...minutes later he came back, not blushing anymore, and he said "you are doing a good job with your transition, you fooled me, now that I caught my breath lets start over"....

Now does this mean I am 100% passable or unclockable? NO
I dont think that is exaclty what it is, it's just that they were too busy doing their work that they didn't have time to analyze or pay attention to detail.
So, the same thing happens in our everyday life....when at the Subway, or Blockbuster, or walking down the streets, men approach you because if it looks and acts like a woman then that's what it is, but trust me that when the get closer and start conversation, a detail will always give a TS away. be it voice, hands, throat, expressions, whatever..and many times men would realized who they speaking to and just dont make a scene about their mistake to avoid self embarrasment, especially if he is with friends. A lot of men politely walk away and will not dare to tell his friends that he was fooled by a ts woman, cuz then he'll be the joke of the month.

Unfortunately, no Tgirl is absolutely, completely 100% passable, have been born genetically a male will always leave detail for others to see, no matter how many surgeries u go through....cuz remember too much surgery is what also gives lot of ts women away!! And trust me 90% of pretty transexuals get approached by guys on the street, day time, with their friends, but doesnt mean that once they leave in their mind their saying "shit, I was attracted by a ts girl"...and that is also how many men become TC==Tranny Chasers. So, I agree with Allanah, is self confidence the main factor when it comes to passability.

[TsJennifer]

I think Vicki Richter is one of the most passable ts girls I've ever met!
I saw her in a tranny club once and I was like what that fish (GG) doing in here. My friends told me she was a ts and I didn't believe it!

[RangeHova]

I used to think that I had been around enough girls that none could ever fool me. A friend who is a TS proved me wrong. She had a good 10 friends that no one could ever tell. Not even most TS girls.

The reason, they were all very very plain Jane and blended so well into the background. They were some of the plainest TSs I had ever seen.

One was one of the oddest TS girls that I had ever seen because she carried herself like a butch lesbian, complete with the chain on her wallet and worked as a security guard.. She had huge floppy natural breats, a typical heavy lesbina build, not a drop of makeup and straight up masculine. Yet she liked guys and not women. I didn't get it but... hey.

If that is too passable I'll pass.

[hollysweet]

well ill have to agree with Vicki its all in what you put back in to your self is how passable your going to be on the other hand some are more gifted and are born just looking for like a GG then a boy so its diff for everyone but I do agree with Vicki find a good Dr be his friend lol and get a little nip and tuck baby we have al had to under go something to look the way we do today. weather a girl will admit it or not ... but the way men do treat the more passable girls is something you cant really explain its just something lol i dont know im sorry lol but its nice very nice ...
xoxox
Holl Sweet
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