old school trannies are way more passable..

[GroobySteven]

Being shot in low grade super-16 instead of high definition digital might have something to do with it.
seanchai

[Baran]

the old tranny porn girls look way more feminine than this manly bunch today.

thats just an observation

I agree with you on that one. For example: look at Olivia Love and then look at Allanah Star. The first one is much better looking.

[Baran]

And what about Vanity, is she old school?

[MacShreach]

Being shot in low grade super-16 instead of high definition digital might have something to do with it.
seanchai

I think it has something to do with it but not all. But the original question is wrong. There are an awful lot of new faces, and it's simply not right to suggest that all of these newer girls are less fem.

What I do see is a lot more masculine "girls" as well. I think that there is a market amongst a certain sector of men who appreciate t-girls whose primary interest is the cock and not the femininity. Their fantasy is centred round the cock because they are homosexual men who want to be penetrated by a penis, but who don't want physical contact with a manly body. That's cool too. Weird, but cool. That's why there's a market for these horse-faced "dames" with huge, often ugly and nowadays even pumped full of silicone cocks.

Frankly it grosses me right out, but each to his own, and I just try to avoid those threads.

Here's an example I just found. Fuck me it should be servicing my truck........Ugh. A guy with tits. Who in their right mind would want to screw that?

[chefmike]

And what about Vanity, is she old school?I can't really speak for her, but I believe she's a just a beautiful TS who's still in her 20's. Unfortunately, I'm sure there are probably some TS's out there (*cough.cacough*) who are of the same "school" of thought as people like Jerry Rubin; who believed in sayings like, "Never trust a TS over 30". But, aside from all of that, just wait until Vanity learns that she's not one of the top 3 in the "biz". I bet she'll be absolutely crushed. :wink:

LMAO off at the Jerry Rubin reference...the last I heard he was in marketing or something. But there will always be a place in my heart for Abbie Hoffman, RIP Abbie.

[chefmike]

the old tranny porn girls look way more feminine than this manly bunch today.

thats just an observation

I agree with you on that one. For example: look at Olivia Love and then look at Allanah Star. The first one is much better looking.

Subjective, but horseshit nonetheless.

[chefmike]

Masculinity is bullshit. I like slender chicks and I like chick bodybuilders, the same kind of thing is carried over to T-Girls. Nefertiti is drop dead gorgeous, but I've thought of her as masculine, despite her huge cock, femininity and masculinity are purely in the eye of the beholder.

I'm also a fan of Joanna Holmes, who sometimes looks very Masc. and other times looks very Fem.

It doesn't matter if their arms are slender or ripping with muscle, if someone's attractive then they are.

I set my criteria low, so I've never disappointed.


mds

LMAO @ low criteria remark...any port in a storm, eh?

[MacShreach]

Olivia Love is a major hottie and I always liked Kelly Michaels too! Despite what some refer to their Masc. qualities.


mds

Olivia Love is hot and I never thought she was masculine, ooooo nonono. And I'm not against big dicks as such. So long as the whole package is pretty, that's fine. I suppose it depends where you draw your man with tits/chick with dick line.

I mean you couldn't call Shantel petite, but I'd fuck her blue. Given the chance.

[chefmike]

That's the first time I've seen Shantel...she's hot! And I like Olivia, just don't agree with the Olivia and Allanah remark...whatever floats your boat, though.

[dreamer]

I disagree --from what I see --girls are starting younger --there's more options -as far as hormones or antiandrogens --or whatever ---then again --admiring Tgirls is still kinda new for me --I mean ---how old school are you talking? ---again --I think many of these up and coming younger chicks are incredible ---Krysteen for example

[MacShreach]

I disagree --from what I see --girls are starting younger --there's more options -as far as hormones or antiandrogens <snip>

Brazil and Thailand you're talking about kids starting hormones as young as 10 or 11. That's possibly also the case in Phillipines and other countries where the t-girls are particularly fem, but I don't have any references.

I think in the States and Europe it's probable that girls are starting later, in most cases much later, not till their late teens/early twenties. How easy it would be to get hormones before that would depend the girl's parents, or the girl would have to hit the black market for hormones. That would mean the process of masculinisation would be complete before they began to transition, so the masculine features would have to be altered surgically. This would explain a certain masculine look in American shemales, at least until the work is complete. And it's never quite there. You can spot a t-girl that began really young.

A complicating factor is that for a t-girl working in porn or as an escort, there is a premium on being "functional" and having a large dick. But the effect of feminising hormones is to shrink the dick, make erections difficult and reduce the amount of ejaculate. This means girls have to walk a tight-rope between feminising completely and submitting to the relentless effects of testosterone, which will continue to act. Orchiectomy provides a solution for this, but again, it's another level of commitment, though heavy doses of feminising hormones will probably render the girl sterile anyway.

I don't want to go too far O/T but I am constantly amazed, and I mean in real awe of people who make this transition successfully. I have paid my way through college, written books, built businesses and all sorts of things that take determination and commitment, but for a boy to say that come hell or high water, the risk of embarrassment, the pain, the expense, the potential health consequences "I WILL BE a beautiful woman," and achieve that end, and do it for the rest of hir days....wow. That's incredible.

Girls, I genuinely admire you. I would hold you up as an example any day. It is a big part of the attraction. It's also why I don't go for men with a pair of implants. That looks like just exploiting a potential market to me.

[MacShreach]

That's the first time I've seen Shantel...she's hot! .

Nch22 posted those and more of her here

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5186

He has some good stuff, that man.

[chefmike]

LMAO off at the Jerry Rubin reference...the last I heard he was in marketing or something. But there will always be a place in my heart for Abbie Hoffman, RIP Abbie.Jerry sold out fast and cheap. I know of at least 4 long out-of-print books he wrote, laughabley making him a buck off of his would-be idealism. Two of which, I actually got my hands on and now own: "We Are Everywhere" and "Do It". I know that another one was called "Fuck America"; and one I believe was titled "Steal This Book". I think he's actually an attorney now, but I'm not too sure. But Abbie, certainly, not only talked the talk, but also walked the walk. And, sadly, he paid dearly for it.

Yes, Abbie fought the good fight until the end. And, actually, he wrote "Steal This Book", not Jerry. Abbie also wrote "Woodstock Nation", I recall.

[Baran]

Christy McNicol is one of the finest old school girls i can remember.
Does anyone know what she is doing right now?

[Trogdor]

What's Olivia Love look like ? :?: :?

[Ecstatic]

Olivia Love

[NickTheQuick]

the old tranny porn girls look way more feminine than this manly bunch today.

thats just an observation


Personally, I disagree. Maybe it's just that you and I are watching different girls. But I just saw some early transexual movie compilation and damn most of those were rough!!!

Olivia is not one of those, but I never was into her either. I couldn't help but be turned off by her being deaf. Felt sorry for her more than anything. Same way I would feel if I saw a blind girl getting fucked in movies. Just a personal hangup I suppose.

[trestokk]

I think olivia is really hot! Not one of the most passable ones, but nevertheless.

[tsntx]

WTF???? that thing above is TORE the FUCK up... like courtney love is right ...attractive? NO... she made me wanna kill myself the same way kurt did...

[chloe8269]

LMAO yes indeed

[Legend]

WTF???? that thing above is TORE the FUCK up... like courtney love is right ...attractive? NO... she made me wanna kill myself the same way kurt did...

WOW!

[Baran]

WTF???? that thing above is TORE the FUCK up... like courtney love is right ...attractive? NO... she made me wanna kill myself the same way kurt did...I just think making fun of Courney Love is funny wherever and whenever possible. The TS above, I would guess, made her mark at a time when there wasn't as much competition. But today, I doubt she would make a name for herself. Definately not "top 3 in the biz" material. ;)

And, yeah, poor Kurt. Why he ever married that skank-ho, I dunno. Her own father speculates, as do others, that she is likely responsible in some way for his death; either directly or indirectly.

But you have to admit, Courtney Love is smart. From a nobody to a celebrite. I thought she did a great job in The people versus Larry Flint.

[Baran]

[quote=Arianna]But you have to admit, Courtney Love is smart. From a nobody to a celebrite. I thought she did a great job in The people versus Larry Flint.Oh, I'm not saying she's not smart. And I thought she was alright in that film too. Actually, I'll bet she's quite the little actress in her day to day life. I just think she's a maniacal bitch, based on everything I know abour her.

True if even 40% is right on what you read, hear and see about her she is indeed a maniacal crazy person. She has a child too. I feel sorry for that kid.

[Baran]

[quote=Arianna]But you have to admit, Courtney Love is smart. From a nobody to a celebrite. I thought she did a great job in The people versus Larry Flint.Oh, I'm not saying she's not smart. And I thought she was alright in that film too. Actually, I'll bet she's quite the little actress in her day to day life. I just think she's a maniacal bitch, based on everything I know abour her.

True if even 40% is right on what you read, hear and see about her she is indeed a maniacal crazy person. She has a child too. I feel sorry for that kid.

[rocklob]

The thing about Olivia Love is that it's not just her looks, it's how she posed and acted in videos, the girl understood sexy. If you don't believe me, find the set she did dressed as Bettie Page. One of the hottest pic sets I've ever seen!
I'd still do her in a minute!

[FM451]

Pamela goes back to 1985 - before Kelly Michaels, Lony Brown, et.al. She was introduced in the VCA film "Passage Thru Pamela"(PTP), also starring Sharon Kane and Kimberly Carson. Her scene with Sharon Kane won the 1986 AFAA Best Erotic Scene award. Some trivia: Pamela's actual debut was in the 1985 Wet Video production "Girlbusters"; as "Elena from Columbia", she had one scene with Barbie Dahl, a pale imitation of the Kane/Pamela scene in PTP.

PTP predated "The Crying Game" by about 7 years, with a similar twist. It is unique in that a trannie was given a prominent role in a mainstream adult film. Also, that the character Pamela is permitted to express a wide range of emotions and become a 3 dimensional character. Most of the current transgender performers don't get that opportunity.

I liked her look (the eyebrows remind me of Joanna Pacula), and being more than a 1 dimensional character made her memorable. Below is the DVD cover.


http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2161/passagethrupameladvdcovertest4.th.jpg (http://img324.imageshack.us/my.php?image=passagethrupameladvdcovertest4.jpg)

[RangeHova]

I think this poster might have more of an inclination to the old school girls because they were new to him then. After time that initial "holy shit" effect is lessened.

In no way are the old school girls as feminine and passable as these new girls. With time girls have gotten hotter and hotter as well as more feminine. The next generation will be even more feminine.

Now the popularity of tranny porn may mean that you get a lot more girls and the shear number means that some less feminine girls will be thrown in the mix. But the hottest girls in the game today are 10 times hotter than the girls of yesterday.

I'd say the average girl of today is hotter than the top girls of the old school.

[Jamie Michelle]

WTF???? that thing above is TORE the FUCK up... like courtney love is right ...attractive? NO... she made me wanna kill myself the same way kurt did...I just think making fun of Courney Love is funny wherever and whenever possible. The TS above, I would guess, made her mark at a time when there wasn't as much competition. But today, I doubt she would make a name for herself. Definately not "top 3 in the biz" material. ;)

And, yeah, poor Kurt. Why he ever married that skank-ho, I dunno. Her own father speculates, as do others, that she is likely responsible in some way for his death; either directly or indirectly.

The Kurt Cobain Murder Investigation by former Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Officer and Current Private Investigator Tom Grant:

http://www.cobaincase.com

http://www.cobaincase.com/index2.html

http://www.cobaincase.com/tgbkgnd.htm

[Jasadin]

Being shot in low grade super-16 instead of high definition digital might have something to do with it.
seanchai

I think it has something to do with it but not all. But the original question is wrong. There are an awful lot of new faces, and it's simply not right to suggest that all of these newer girls are less fem.

What I do see is a lot more masculine "girls" as well. I think that there is a market amongst a certain sector of men who appreciate t-girls whose primary interest is the cock and not the femininity. Their fantasy is centred round the cock because they are homosexual men who want to be penetrated by a penis, but who don't want physical contact with a manly body. That's cool too. Weird, but cool. That's why there's a market for these horse-faced "dames" with huge, often ugly and nowadays even pumped full of silicone cocks.

Frankly it grosses me right out, but each to his own, and I just try to avoid those threads.

Here's an example I just found. Fuck me it should be servicing my truck........Ugh. A guy with tits. Who in their right mind would want to screw that?


I understand but I don't agree with you.I want to know why was it necessary for you to go post a pic?Why did you need a specific tgirl to slander?Why must Nefertiti be a "it" instead of "she"?Why must someone be" out of their right mind" to have a interest in tgirl cock or otherwise.Why do you throw out all of your closetminded views then say"to each his own"like you believe it.Why do some guys who like"passable" tgirls think they are better or more str8?Does mainstream society give you higher status cause she may look better than a gg?Hell Fuck No!Now outta all the shit a tgirl goes through she's gotta look like someones limited ,standard, bias ,narrow ,dictated image of feminine beauty and be your discreet cock smuggler.I just realized that the "admirer" is more damaging to ts esteem .He only opens the closet just enough to let her cock out disreguarding everything else in the light of day :?

[BeardedOne]

Puh-leez, can we find another term besides 'old school'? :roll:

My fave girl keeps getting referred to as 'old school', yet she is younger, brighter, more energetic (And certainly far more beautiful) than I'll ever be.

And fuck y'all, I think Nef is hot. :P And it's not all about the cock.

Well...Maybe a little. :wink:

[BigTime]

Being shot in low grade super-16 instead of high definition digital might have something to do with it.
seanchai

I think it has something to do with it but not all. But the original question is wrong. There are an awful lot of new faces, and it's simply not right to suggest that all of these newer girls are less fem.

What I do see is a lot more masculine "girls" as well. I think that there is a market amongst a certain sector of men who appreciate t-girls whose primary interest is the cock and not the femininity. Their fantasy is centred round the cock because they are homosexual men who want to be penetrated by a penis, but who don't want physical contact with a manly body. That's cool too. Weird, but cool. That's why there's a market for these horse-faced "dames" with huge, often ugly and nowadays even pumped full of silicone cocks.

Frankly it grosses me right out, but each to his own, and I just try to avoid those threads.

Here's an example I just found. Fuck me it should be servicing my truck........Ugh. A guy with tits. Who in their right mind would want to screw that?

MacShreach, if you think Nef is ugly, you need to be taken out back and monkey stomped!

[Aedan]

Nef is one of the best looking girls out there, beautiful face, flawless skin etc. And a big cock.
Not all girls with big cocks look good but Andrea is an example of a very beautiful girls with a big cock.

[jamans]

I have the same opinion of Nef not being attractive. Her only talent is being hung like a horse. If she had a small cock she would have very little if any exposure

[scorpion]

Why dont some of Lisa lawrence ???

[Eric420]

Being shot in low grade super-16 instead of high definition digital might have something to do with it.
seanchai

I think it has something to do with it but not all. But the original question is wrong. There are an awful lot of new faces, and it's simply not right to suggest that all of these newer girls are less fem.

What I do see is a lot more masculine "girls" as well. I think that there is a market amongst a certain sector of men who appreciate t-girls whose primary interest is the cock and not the femininity. Their fantasy is centred round the cock because they are homosexual men who want to be penetrated by a penis, but who don't want physical contact with a manly body. That's cool too. Weird, but cool. That's why there's a market for these horse-faced "dames" with huge, often ugly and nowadays even pumped full of silicone cocks.

Frankly it grosses me right out, but each to his own, and I just try to avoid those threads.

Here's an example I just found. Fuck me it should be servicing my truck........Ugh. A guy with tits. Who in their right mind would want to screw that?

Nef is hot, I would devour her in a heartbeat!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[BrendaQG]

I disagree --from what I see --girls are starting younger --there's more options -as far as hormones or antiandrogens <snip>

Brazil and Thailand you're talking about kids starting hormones as young as 10 or 11. That's possibly also the case in Phillipines and other countries where the t-girls are particularly fem, but I don't have any references.

There is one such person who has made such a claim that I know of Miriam/victoria. That is rather unusual even for a country where hormoes are available easily. Usually it takes one a bit longer than that to put together that such a thing is possible and how to do it. When one finds that out places a limit on when one can get started.

With the internet and the internet pharmacies that have been around and well known for the last six or seven years you should see more younger TS's these days even here in the USA.

(edited to remove stupid comment below this about racism against black T-girls and some other dumb shit.)

Look at the XX GG's you see on a daily basis. There is a wide variation in the facial features you will see on them. I have seen women who have brow ridges so wide you could serve a 3 course meal on them. Or with features so hard and angular that they could cut glass.

Sounds like some of you are really spoiled. Now if you want to see a raelly truly masculine Transwoman here is something for you.

{Picture removed} I think my point has been made{/}

Now that is what starting hormones "late" looks like. (this picture will be up for a thankfully limited time. Just long enough to make this point).

[Solitary Brother]

You are crazy.