kellyshore.net shut down effective 9/3/10???

[deadlyray]

The site is being shut down effective 9/3/10, so if you want those pics you'd better join the network in a hurry. I wonder what happened...

[LittleGuy]

who cares.....

[ARMANIXXX]

The site is being shut down effective 9/3/10, so if you want those pics you'd better join the network in a hurry. I wonder what happened...


Hard times?

[hwbs]

she prob got tired of giving 50 percent to her online webmaster pimp , lol

[Coroner]

Kelly who?

[ARMANIXXX]

How come a few of you are giving Kelly the cold shoulder?

Did something happen while I was gone?

[Trans-Promo]

she prob got tired of giving 50 percent to her online webmaster pimp , lol

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net is case closed - next chapter please

[hwbs]

lol its just a joke ...i could care less either way !!!!

[BellaBellucci]

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

There you have it folks: Danielle has spoken and so it is so. :Bowdown:

It's funny because just LAST WEEK I was thinking about you Danielle. I was thinking about how I should probably apologize for going overboard on you a year ago. I thought we both went too far. But now I'm not so sure.

A preemptive strike against a girl who doesn't even post here as well as anyone who might come forward to defend her? Now I don't have a personal stake in this or a horse in the race, but I will say, without accusing anyone of guilt, that girls should demand better accountability and accounting from producers when they enter a partnership.

But transparency has never been in the porn industry's game plan and I'm sorry, but this aggressive posturing reeks of fear and control to me, regardless of guilt or lack thereof. Since she hasn't made an accusation, the best course of action would have been to keep it quiet. But that genie's out of the bottle now, isn't she?

I hope you know what you're doing.

~BB~

[Trans-Promo]

lol its just a joke ...i could care less either way !!!!

Sorry for snapping but I am on fire over this whole thing. xoxo

[The Cock Bandit]

I'm going to miss kellys pretty pink cock :cry:

[Silcc69]

So that Vorga thing MiMi was spouting could have some legs to it?

[Trans-Promo]

There you have it folks: Danielle has spoken and so it is so. :Bowdown:

It's funny because just LAST WEEK I was thinking about you Danielle. I was thinking about how I should probably apologize for going overboard on you a year ago. I thought we both went too far. But now I'm not so sure.

A preemptive strike against a girl who doesn't even post here as well as anyone who might come forward to defend her? Now I don't have a personal stake in this or a horse in the race, but I will say, without accusing anyone of guilt, that girls should demand better accountability and accounting from producers when they enter a partnership.

But transparency has never been in the porn industry's game plan and I'm sorry, but this aggressive posturing reeks of fear and control to me, regardless of guilt or lack thereof. Since she hasn't made an accusation, the best course of action would have been to keep it quiet. But that genie's out of the bottle now, isn't she?

I hope you know what you're doing.

~BB~

Nope, I got your email of apology and declined to answer as I see no excuse for the way you treated me.

I stay clear of your path as you requested, I suggest you show me the same respect.

[BellaBellucci]

Nope, I got your email of apology and declined to answer as I see no excuse for the way you treated me.

I stay clear of your path as you requested, I suggest you show me the same respect.

'Suggest?' You 'suggest' I show you the same? Or else what? You're going to challenge me to a fist fight like Amy Daly did? Can't you be a normal human being and just be polite when asking a favor?

And I had all the excuse in the world to do what I did. It was political, not personal. You changed your site name, didn't you? So how was it personal if I was right? Seriously, lady. Get over yourself! I was apologizing for going overboard, not for being 'wrong.'

But like I said, 'I hope you know what you're doing.' It doesn't seem like you do.

~BB~

[blonde_sweetheart]

'Suggest?' You 'suggest' I show you the same? Or else what? You're going to challenge me to a fist fight like Amy Daly did? Can't you be a normal human being and just be polite when asking a favor?

And I had all the excuse in the world to do what I did. It was political, not personal. You changed your site name, didn't you? So how was it personal if I was right? Seriously, lady. Get over yourself! I was apologizing for going overboard, not for being 'wrong.'

But like I said, 'I hope you know what you're doing.' It doesn't seem like you do.

~BB~


You're a hot mess

[Trans-Promo]

'Suggest?' You 'suggest' I show you the same? Or else what? You're going to challenge me to a fist fight like Amy Daly did? Can't you be a normal human being and just be polite when asking a favor?

And I had all the excuse in the world to do what I did. It was political, not personal. You changed your site name, didn't you? So how was it personal if I was right? Seriously, lady. Get over yourself! I was apologizing for going overboard, not for being 'wrong.'

But like I said, 'I hope you know what you're doing.' It doesn't seem like you do.

~BB~

You will end up standing outside a Tranny Club protesting like a crazy woman one of these days, like those crazy Jesus freaks with signs about the Devil taking over the world - It's a huge conspiracy and Bella is at the center.

I am not going to challenge you to a fight darling, because it is a lost cause.

I changed my site name so you would shut the fuck up ( sarcastically speaking ) - God I was wrong - you just moved on to the next target.

Go on with your bad self!

Now please let's not rekindle our love affair, we know this is not about me and unlike you I don't attack people without reason.

Please educate yourself in the facts before you jump at the wrong throat. You know, I was wondering when you were going to apologize, all of this time... I couldn't eat drink or sleep. I am so glad you said something, now my life can begin once more.

THE END!

[HSGear]

kelly what?

[WendyWilliams]

Bella you really are looney and kinda scarey and coming from my hormonal ass thats alot to be said. You are like a stalker in the shadow ready to jump out at any moment. You have all these flame wars on with multiple people and it's really destructive, you should get help.

Anyhow back to this post which was NOT about Bella.

I just want to say that SMC Revenue aka Isa has been beyond helpful to me many times. She has worked numerous hours, gave me my check early, helped me with things that many webmaters wouldnt even bother with and has always given me accounting of BOTH my websites.

I just wanted to make a statement as a person who has 2 websites with them and 100% trust them.

Carry on!

Kelly has retired so Im sure closing the website is what she wants and the best thing for her since she hasn't updated it since November. Its taking up space and now they both can move on.

[Trans-Promo]

bella you really are looney and kinda scarey and coming from my hormonal ass thats alot to be said. You are like a stalker in the shadow ready to jump out at any moment. You have all these flame wars on with multiple people and it's really destructive, you should get help.

Anyhow back to this post which was not about bella.

I just want to say that smc revenue aka isa has been beyond helpful to me many times. She has worked numerous hours, gave me my check early, helped me with things that many webmaters wouldnt even bother with and has always given me accounting of both my websites.

I just wanted to make a statement as a person who has 2 websites with them and 100% trust them.

Carry on!

Kelly has retired so im sure closing the website is what she wants and the best thing for her since she hasn't updated it since november. Its taking up space and now they both can move on.

drive through second window please !

[ARMANIXXX]

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net (http://www.kellyshore.net) is case closed - next chapter please

Wait....

Who are you?

[deadlyray]

Well, what Danielle said certainly makes sense.

That 50% (or whatever %) comment doesn't, however, when you consider the expense of running a busy website and the cost of production. On top of that, what about the publicity of having an SMC site? The upstart cost.

Please.

[ARMANIXXX]

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net (http://www.kellyshore.net) is case closed - next chapter please


Oh...

You're Danielle.

ok.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella you really are looney and kinda scarey and coming from my hormonal ass thats alot to be said. You are like a stalker in the shadow ready to jump out at any moment. You have all these flame wars on with multiple people and it's really destructive, you should get help.

Anyhow back to this post which was NOT about Bella.

I just want to say that SMC Revenue aka Isa has been beyond helpful to me many times. She has worked numerous hours, gave me my check early, helped me with things that many webmaters wouldnt even bother with and has always given me accounting of BOTH my websites.

I just wanted to make a statement as a person who has 2 websites with them and 100% trust them.

Carry on!

Kelly has retired so Im sure closing the website is what she wants and the best thing for her since she hasn't updated it since November. Its taking up space and now they both can move on.

That's... count them... 1, 2, 3 SMC girls (two of whom are largely considered bat-shit crazy and the other only 19) in this thread talking shit about me and all I said is that there should be more transparency for everyone to avoid these type of disputes. This seems like a nuclear response for such a low key, neutral statement on my part, especially considering I'm a Club affiliate, and it's very, very telling. But whatever. :wiggle:

~BB~

[Silcc69]

Let's see we jsut need Hara and Nicole to pop up in here.

[Trans-Promo]

Oh how cool, I didn't know you could delete your own messages, that's awesome. Now if we could only delete our own threads it would be awesome.

[blonde_sweetheart]

You're not a hot mess sis, BELLA is :-P You're just hot

[Trans-Promo]

You're not a hot mess sis, BELLA is :-P You're just hot

Oh to be 19 again... and marketable

[Silcc69]

Oh to be 19 again... and marketable

LMAO Danielle you aint right at all.

[youshouldtrythislol]

so much hostility when there is no call for it. though i vaguely recall someone starting a thread recently slamming kelly shore (then changing it like 30 minuites later)
I think it would be nice to hear kelly's side of the story. there are always 2 sides to every story.

whatever has happened, I wish her the best.

[scroller]

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

I'm going to be at least halfway skeptical that this statement came "straight from the law books". It will, however, stay with me. :)

[chelseafc]

Scoller I just let that Slide, hilarious

[Trans-Promo]

I'm going to be at least halfway skeptical that this statement came "straight from the law books". It will, however, stay with me. :)

Ok let me do it with my shirt off and let me know if you can still see the typo

[Trans-Promo]

Scoller I just let that Slide, hilarious

And it's Scroller not Scoller ... I am not letting you slide :geek:

[Trans-Promo]

so much hostility when there is no call for it. though i vaguely recall someone starting a thread recently slamming kelly shore (then changing it like 30 minuites later)
I think it would be nice to hear kelly's side of the story. there are always 2 sides to every story.

whatever has happened, I wish her the best.

I already told you what she said... You want her to come in here and say it herself?

I edited the post because someone pulled my choke collar.

[BellaBellucci]

I'm going to be at least halfway skeptical that this statement came "straight from the law books". It will, however, stay with me. :)

... especially since slander isn't illegal. The written form, libel, is illegal, and I don't see any prima facie libelous statements here from either party. If the parties are smart, they'll settle this quietly like adults instead of resorting to a messy litigation.

~BB~

[Trans-Promo]

... especially since slander isn't illegal. The written form, libel, is illegal, and I don't see any prima facie libelous statements here from either party. If the parties are smart, they'll settle this quietly like adults instead of resorting to a messy litigation.

~BB~

I am in IP class right now Bella and as much as you would like to discredit me let me correct you:

The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity. Slander can also include bodily gestures while libel can include published photographs. Defamation is any wrongful injury to the reputation of a person or entity.

While the right to fairly criticize people or entities and publicly share information is one of the hallmarks of personal freedom, it is illegal to malign the reputation of another through slander or libel.

So in this case both are equally applicable? I am not a lawyer so I couldn't tell ya, but if there is proof of Intent Malice then according to my College professor ( A lawyer ) then it can be considered.

It is however extremely difficult to prove " he said she said ", there has to be evidentiary proof either from Plaintiff or Defense, of lost revenue due to defamation.

The term defamation of character is often used to describe accusations of slander, libel or both. Slander involves verbal derogatory statements, while libel involves written ones. In a court of law, the plaintiff pursuing the lawsuit would charge defamation of character to cover any form of false or damaging allegations.

Defamation of character is notoriously difficult to prove in court, although the actual effects can be quite evident and damaging. If a disgruntled customer of a restaurant tells numerous people that the head chef has AIDS, for example, sales for that restaurant could fall and the employee might lose his job or find it difficult to work. Because the customer's slanderous statement concerns a specific person and an unproven accusation, the chef may have a legitimate case of defamation of character.

Any lawyers in the house?

www.wisegeek.com

[youshouldtrythislol]

I already told you what she said... You want her to come in here and say it herself?

I edited the post because someone pulled my choke collar.
I am curious to hear her side of the story, but it really is none of my business.
I'm just not inclined to believe everything I hear, especially after that other thread was made. She doesn't seem to post here anymore, so there really was no call for that.

My main point with that post is there really was no need to bring hostility into this thread, seems Kelly has been getting a lot of that lately though.

[TheToon]

Girl fights beat threads about men in thongs anyday :)

[BellaBellucci]

I am in IP class right now Bella and as much as you would like to discredit me let me correct you:

The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity. Slander can also include bodily gestures while libel can include published photographs. Defamation is any wrongful injury to the reputation of a person or entity.

While the right to fairly criticize people or entities and publicly share information is one of the hallmarks of personal freedom, it is illegal to malign the reputation of another through slander or libel.

www.wisegeek.com

Thanks for the more specific definition but the extraneous information you've provided has no bearing on this case... because at the moment there isn't one unless Kelly sues SMC for breach of contract. She's done nothing wrong.

Like I said, I'm just trying to help you. You're not the most composed woman in the world and if you start running off at the mouth, you will get yourself sued. Kelly's husband being a lawyer means no legal bills for the plaintiff.

I know you don't believe this, but I'm actually trying to keep the peace here.

~BB~

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Ho-Hum.....

[chelseafc]

And it's Scroller not Scoller ... I am not letting you slide :geek:

Hysterical

[WendyWilliams]

Bella why do you make stuff up LOL...........tempered and mouthy Im known for but crazy, sorry that is not the case. Arguments I have been guilty of but never crazy actions or nonsense like that.

I am however known for busting a bitch in the mouth and taking the 500 fine for disorderly conduct several times. So maybe you can call that crazy I call that backing up whatever I say online.

Now back to work really not going to get in a feud with you like you have Danielle, Amy, Domino, Grooby, Nicole and the list grows each day.

Toodles.

[sugdaddie69]

You are so fuckin' sexy...Ms.Wendy

[Trans-Promo]

Thanks for the more specific definition but the extraneous information you've provided has no bearing on this case... because at the moment there isn't one unless Kelly sues SMC for breach of contract. She's done nothing wrong.

Like I said, I'm just trying to help you. You're not the most composed woman in the world and if you start running off at the mouth, you will get yourself sued. Kelly's husband being a lawyer means no legal bills for the plaintiff.

I know you don't believe this, but I'm actually trying to keep the peace here.

~BB~

And I just gave birth to a black baby!

I know what you are doing hun, but I am simply defending my friend - you would do the same. I would jump in front of a bullet for anyone I love.

My mental stability, compared to yours, isn't at question here. Neither is the fact that I am not legally bound to speak for SMC, in this case my opinion is protected by the constitution.

Kelly Shore is a public figure and public figures are fair game - I can tell you that she has 13 legs and shits green - If it cannot be proven I did it with malice it is protected speech.

This being News Worthy is also protected speech. When a plaintiff files suit because private information about her was aired to the public, the judge must decide whether to defer to the journalist’s judgment that the information was newsworthy (in which case the claim is dismissed) or have the jury decide.

I hardly think that with the amounting evidence discrediting Miss Shore that she would have a case, but she can try...

I am sure if her boyfriend wants to show his face defending his hooker/porn star girlfriend in a court of law he will do a damn good job.

( Dusting off my shoulders - I am doing my homework )

Au contraire, I am not as dumb, naive, frail and unstable as you may think.

[JamesHunt]

Take cover guys!!! The handbags are out:yayo:

[Trans-Promo]

Oh and did I mention I can cook, clean, give great back rubs and suck a mean cock too?

[BellaBellucci]

Bella why do you make stuff up LOL...........tempered and mouthy Im known for but crazy, sorry that is not the case. Arguments I have been guilty of but never crazy actions or nonsense like that.

Ok, sorry. I'll grant you that. And honestly, I've never had a problem with you. But you have to admit that three against one to fight a girl who isn't fighting is overkill.


I am however known for busting a bitch in the mouth and taking the 500 fine for disorderly conduct several times. So maybe you can call that crazy I call that backing up whatever I say online.

OK, now I have to retract my prior statement. Punching someone over an internet fight is not only crazy, but immature, illegal, and not what models should be spending their time on. I guess both you and Amy Daly need to learn that you're not 5-year old boys anymore.


Now back to work really not going to get in a feud with you like you have Danielle, Amy, Domino, Grooby, Nicole and the list grows each day.

Toodles.

Don't even PRETEND that I'm fighting all of those people because they know me and don't like me on a personal level and not because I've been fighting against the establishment (i.e. what they represent) for the last year. Some of those girls have never even met me and the rest never gave me a chance and they all know it, and frankly, so do you. Not to mention the shady reputations of everyone on that list outside of Domino.

Please. If you don't want to fight with me, then don't make asinine statements. I'm a reactionary person. If you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing. You haven't figured that out by now?

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Au contraire, I am not as dumb, naive, frail and unstable as you may think.

I don't think that Danielle, but I know you get worked up about things and if anybody can relate to that, it's me. I still wish you the best of luck.

~BB~

[Felicia Katt]

Neither slander nor libel are "illegal". But both can equally subject someone to a lawsuit for damages but only subject to actual proof of them, except for certain types of allegations which are deemed so nasty the damage can be presumed. Like saying someone has an STD for example. A statement of opinion, as opposed to one of fact is never grounds for a lawsuit. Truth is an absolute defense to any claim of defamation no matter how damaging. If a person is a public figure, even a false statement of fact is not actionable unless you show it was made with actual malice.

seems to me that Danielle is on her way to be head of her class :)

FK

[BellaBellucci]

Neither slander nor libel are "illegal".

Sorry professor. I meant 'actionable.' So sue me! :lol:

~BB~

[Trans-Promo]

Neither slander nor libel are "illegal". But both can equally subject someone to a lawsuit for damages but only subject to actual proof of them, except for certain types of allegations which are deemed so nasty the damage can be presumed. Like saying someone has an STD for example. A statement of opinion, as opposed to one of fact is never grounds for a lawsuit. Truth is an absolute defense to any claim of defamation no matter how damaging. If a person is a public figure, even a false statement of fact is not actionable unless you show it was made with actual malice.

seems to me that Danielle is on her way to be head of her class :)

FK

Elementary my dear Watson!

And you will always be my Jiminy Cricket!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UllmTGziULI/SqicR1p7a_I/AAAAAAAABBc/tfx3pHMqWC8/s320/jiminy.gif

[WendyWilliams]

Last statement ,,,,,,,,you are pushing it with your "little boys" comments as girls fight all the time too so slow down and lets not turn this into anything more than you and I having a disagreement.

Illegal yes thats why I paid a 500.00 fine.

Immature? Nah if anyone on the net wants to run their mouth and call me names, make fun of me and when I see them face to face and give them the chance to do it woman to woman then its nothing more than me backing up what I say on the net and that is, "if you say something mean about me on the net please remember that if and when we see each other I will then give you the chance to say it to my face"....... So with that being said Bella Im not making it anything more than what it is........


Ok we are now done with this and lets move on!:jerkoff

[Trans-Promo]

Last statement ,,,,,,,,you are pushing it with your "little boys" comments as girls fight all the time too so slow down and lets not turn this into anything more than you and I having a disagreement.

Illegal yes thats why I paid a 500.00 fine.

Immature? Nah if anyone on the net wants to run their mouth and call me names, make fun of me and when I see them face to face and give them the chance to do it woman to woman then its nothing more than me backing up what I say on the net and that is, "if you say something mean about me on the net please remember that if and when we see each other I will then give you the chance to say it to my face".......


Ok we are now done with this and lets move on!:jerkoff

You are so sexy when you get mad - You should do humiliation scenes girl!

Ohhh shit that's my idea - I will have my lawyer boyfriend sue you for infringement if you use that idea

[youshouldtrythislol]

Why is it that on this site lately, just about everyone seems to hate eachother? Is there something in the water? I think we need to take some of the people on this site and lock them in a cage untill only one of them is still alive. That seems to be the only way anything will be resolved, hardly anyone knows how to have a civil conversation. At least this thread isnt as bad as some of them, but its still pointless.

[WendyWilliams]

Danielle hush it and go edit something LOL

[Trans-Promo]

Ok, sorry. I'll grant you that. And honestly, I've never had a problem with you. But you have to admit that three against one to fight a girl who isn't fighting is overkill.

If she has the balls ( pun ) and the courage to make unfounded statements, then she can take the criticism, and since she is younger I feel compelled to tell her, through my experiences that her actions are ridiculous and unacceptable.



Some of those girls have never even met me and the rest never gave me a chance and they all know it, and frankly, so do you. Not to mention the shady reputations of everyone on that list outside of Domino.

Sounds awfully like how people treat me... some of these folk you say call me crazy have never met me personally and yet here you are... You must admit I was pretty fucking cool to you when you were over at my place right? At least you said so in your video blog, thanks for the shot out.


Please. If you don't want to fight with me, then don't make asinine statements. I'm a reactionary person. If you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing. You haven't figured that out by now?

" Oel ngati kameie "

[Trans-Promo]

Why is it that on this site lately, just about everyone seems to hate eachother? Is there something in the water? I think we need to take some of the people on this site and lock them in a cage untill only one of them is still alive. That seems to be the only way anything will be resolved, hardly anyone knows how to have a civil conversation. At least this thread isnt as bad as some of them, but its still pointless.

Welcome to HungAngels, what's your dream?

[saifan]

Shemale-Club is one of the best sites around but the T-girl network hasn't been a great value in the past year or so. The updates for even the individual sites are pretty infrequent. If they could figure out a good update schedule I'm sure business would pick up all around.

Back to the fighting in 3...2...1...

[Trans-Promo]

Shemale-Club is one of the best sites around but the T-girl network hasn't been a great value in the past year or so. The updates for even the individual sites are pretty infrequent. If they could figure out a good update schedule I'm sure business would pick up all around.

Back to the fighting in 3...2...1...

I will pass on the info fo sho! But you boys are never satisfied anyway, makes me pout.

If people update more frequently you will lose the production value and your content will not have the same quality. Have you been in the shemalestrokers forum? Those queens are cock hungry hunny LOL

As for the individual sites, each girl has control of how much content they put up and depending on how much their site makes is how much they can afford the production costs.

If a girl only makes $1000 mo, 50/50 split, male models at $200 - $300 if you even find them, blah blah blah...

I know as a fan you have choices and I am grateful to have the fans I still have, even though I don't make as much money anymore I still try to give you great content, thanks to shemale-club that is still possible.

Have a little patience when things don't run as smooth. xoxo

[Dean Wormer]

I am in IP class right now Bella and as much as you would like to discredit me let me correct you:

The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity. Slander can also include bodily gestures while libel can include published photographs. Defamation is any wrongful injury to the reputation of a person or entity.

While the right to fairly criticize people or entities and publicly share information is one of the hallmarks of personal freedom, it is illegal to malign the reputation of another through slander or libel.

So in this case both are equally applicable? I am not a lawyer so I couldn't tell ya, but if there is proof of Intent Malice then according to my College professor ( A lawyer ) then it can be considered.

It is however extremely difficult to prove " he said she said ", there has to be evidentiary proof either from Plaintiff or Defense, of lost revenue due to defamation.

The term defamation of character is often used to describe accusations of slander, libel or both. Slander involves verbal derogatory statements, while libel involves written ones. In a court of law, the plaintiff pursuing the lawsuit would charge defamation of character to cover any form of false or damaging allegations.

Defamation of character is notoriously difficult to prove in court, although the actual effects can be quite evident and damaging. If a disgruntled customer of a restaurant tells numerous people that the head chef has AIDS, for example, sales for that restaurant could fall and the employee might lose his job or find it difficult to work. Because the customer's slanderous statement concerns a specific person and an unproven accusation, the chef may have a legitimate case of defamation of character.

Any lawyers in the house?

www.wisegeek.com (http://www.wisegeek.com)

Signed Felicia Katt

[Felicia Katt]

I'm not a college law professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last nite LOL

FK

[Trans-Promo]

I'm not a college law professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last nite LOL

FK

LOL She has helped me quite a bit but unfortunately she can't take the credit for this one !

http://www.sexchangegirl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Photo-5.jpg

[Dean Wormer]

Your IQ does seem to go up 30 points whenever Felicia is around. lol

[Trans-Promo]

Your IQ does seem to go up 30 points whenever Felicia is around. lol

And that's a bad thing, or did I misunderstand your post?

I have learned a lot from her, not just intellectual mambo jumbo but also about life and how to be a better person. I go to her when I need guidance - since she is older ROFFL

[giovanni_hotel]

Danielle, can I be your Black baby??

[Trans-Promo]

Danielle, can I be your Black baby??

Only if you are followed by a splash and a flush!

That was too easy LOLOLOLOL

[Felicia Katt]

And that's a bad thing, or did I misunderstand your post?

I have learned a lot from her, not just intellectual mambo jumbo but also about life and how to be a better person. I go to her when I need guidance - since she is older ROFFL
slander!! oh no!! has to be defamation of character, not definition LOL

I'm only a good teacher to great students and you learned, not from me, but because of who you are :)

FK

[AmyDaly]

I am however known for busting a bitch in the mouth and taking the 500 fine for disorderly conduct several times. So maybe you can call that crazy I call that backing up whatever I say online.


haha Wendy...you go girl :D

[AmyDaly]

I guess both you and Amy Daly need to learn that you're not 5-year old boys anymore.


Excuse me?

So Wendy...only $500 fine you say?

[Helvis2012]

Excuse me?

So Wendy...only $500 fine you say?

[QUOTE=BellaBellucci;786058]Thanks for the more specific definition but the extraneous information you've provided has no bearing on this case... because at the moment there isn't one unless Kelly sues SMC for breach of contract. She's done nothing wrong.

Like I said, I'm just trying to help you. You're not the most composed woman in the world and if you start running off at the mouth, you will get yourself sued. Kelly's husband being a lawyer means no legal bills for the plaintiff.


Actually, you'd be surprised what you can get away with saying. The fact is, the party claiming slander must prove that only was there intention to give false report (which is extremely slippery territory)but the report must also have damaged the suing party financially-which is difficult to prove. Even a canceled contract would need corroborating testimony from that party.
Courts are the biggest drag.....hopefully everyone concerned can forget about it. :cheers:

[scubaman]

Excuse me?

So Wendy...only $500 fine you say?

It probably varies in the different municipalities. Having been through prior case(s) would also factor in. Check in municipality that this will occur as to their fines. Just an FYI. That being said anyone have any butter

[BrendaQG]

LOL She has helped me quite a bit but unfortunately she can't take the credit for this one !

http://www.sexchangegirl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Photo-5.jpg

LOL that's the best picture of you ever. :-)

As for Kelly... I recall a posting on here, a while back where she expressed regret at getting into this game at all. She particularly regretted not having used a stage name.* On some level getting her site taken down, getting the other party to break whatever contracts, could be exactly what she wants. A little psychological manipulation of the situation on her part? :shrug

*It makes a difference. It makes it easier to compartmentalize the whole porn thing...even if it's not hard to find the connection between the porn activity and ones legal name.

[Nicole Dupre]

Some of those girls have never even met me and the rest never gave me a chance and they all know it, and frankly, so do you. Not to mention the shady reputations of everyone on that list outside of Domino.

What "shady" reputation do I have? I may have a reputation for being mouthy, but shady? With who? lol

Take your "fighting the establishment" bullshit and force it up your unfuckable asshole, Bella. You've accomplished NOTHING and you never will, other than ostracizing yourself, you pretentious dingbat.

The reason you initially got a stick up your ass with me was, you asked me privately on Twitter to join in an online argument with you against Seanchai, and I told you that I didn't disagree with him. Seanchai and I have had our clashes but it's none of your concern, and has nothing to do with your personal sour grapes nonsense over not getting invited back to do another Yum shoot.

Look. When you went for Danielle's jugular OVER NOTHING the way you did last year, I saw your true colors and I didn't like them. I don't like you. I don't feel sorry for you. I think you're full of shit. In fact, after watching you make shit up about my relationship with my family and try to put words in my mouth, I KNOW YOU ARE. Get over it, or don't.

[giovanni_hotel]

Originally Posted by giovanni_hotel
Danielle, can I be your Black baby??



Only if you are followed by a splash and a flush!

That was too easy LOLOLOLOL


Not very maternal of you, Danielle!

[Stealthnacho]

This is the hot chick from Texas?

[luv4Tgirls]

Can't say I'm heartbroken over it, I'll get over it.

OK I'm over it......

[BellaBellucci]

What "shady" reputation do I have? I may have a reputation for being mouthy, but shady? With who? lol

Take your "fighting the establishment" bullshit and force it up your unfuckable asshole, Bella. You've accomplished NOTHING and you never will, other than ostracizing yourself, you pretentious dingbat.

The reason you initially got a stick up your ass with me was, you asked me privately on Twitter to join in an online argument with you against Seanchai, and I told you that I didn't disagree with him. Seanchai and I have had our clashes but it's none of your concern, and has nothing to do with your personal sour grapes nonsense over not getting invited back to do another Yum shoot.

Look. When you went for Danielle's jugular OVER NOTHING the way you did last year, I saw your true colors and I didn't like them. I don't like you. I don't feel sorry for you. I think you're full of shit. In fact, after watching you make shit up about my relationship with my family and try to put words in my mouth, I KNOW YOU ARE. Get over it, or don't.

I didn't read a word you said. You're the biggest kiss ass in the ENTIRE TS world and you STILL have nothing to show for it because at the same time you can't control your emotional Tourettes. And that's all there really is to that.

~ND~

[drock]

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net (http://www.kellyshore.net) is case closed - next chapter please

wow that's crazy.. thanks for the info

[slinky]

it is illegal to malign the reputation of another through slander or libel.


There is, of course, the very famous "Truth Defense".

[Nicole Dupre]

Hilarious. I've never held back telling anyone what I think, and that somehow makes me a "kiss ass". You're brain dead, bitch.

But then, I'm sure ignoring whatever realities make you feel uneasy comes pretty naturally to you by now, like that Scooby Doo-turned-bag lady look you haven't noticed in your mirror.

Jerkoff.

[GroobySteven]

Thanks for taking the time to let us know the whole story Danielle. It's pretty rare for a company to give a few days notice, to affiliates, to remove all links to their site so I think most people guessed it was something serious.
SMC is one of the best companies out there and with so many solo girls happily housed there and only one who has an issue, I think their integrity speaks for itself.

We've changed out all our links already.

[slinky]

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net (http://www.kellyshore.net) is case closed - next chapter please

Just because a Sponsor has been around for "X" years or is "award winning" doesn't mean they are totally clean. Actually, right now I don't know of ANYONE who is TOTALLY clean, because if you use any of the third party billers, some of the things they do are not clean, so the VAST majority of programs (numbers wise, not necessarily market share wise) aren't clean - not even because they want to be, but because they CAN'T be.

But even in the instant case, stuff like: It would be nice if they used proper grammar when threatening people http://www.shemale-club.com/refch.php (and if what they were saying was actually 100% true, rather than going overboard and fudging a little in their scare tactics (like calling it "Charegebacks and Refund Policies" and not saying a single word about refunds, and other items).
It would be nice if they didn't say to potential members "100% exclusive content" and to potential models "we dont mind to give you some pictures for your personal portfolio or to use for other ads like Eros."


But I'm not even sure why we are talking about "Shemale Club" to begin with: isn't it really SMC Revenue and TGirl Network? And how could it possibly be fair to all the girls when ONE memberships gets you access to all the solo sites? Who gets paid what? I couldn't possibly think of a model where everyone got a "fair" amount because of issues like which site the join came from vs where is the surfer's usage afterward? My total guess is that Kelly had issues with seeing some of the flaws in this system.

[Trans-Promo]

Just because a Sponsor has been around for "X" years or is "award winning" doesn't mean they are totally clean. Actually, right now I don't know of ANYONE who is TOTALLY clean, because if you use any of the third party billers, some of the things they do are not clean, so the VAST majority of programs (numbers wise, not necessarily market share wise) aren't clean - not even because they want to be, but because they CAN'T be.

But even in the instant case, stuff like: It would be nice if they used proper grammar when threatening people http://www.shemale-club.com/refch.php (and if what they were saying was actually 100% true, rather than going overboard and fudging a little in their scare tactics (like calling it "Charegebacks and Refund Policies" and not saying a single word about refunds, and other items).
It would be nice if they didn't say to potential members "100% exclusive content" and to potential models "we dont mind to give you some pictures for your personal portfolio or to use for other ads like Eros."


But I'm not even sure why we are talking about "Shemale Club" to begin with: isn't it really SMC Revenue and TGirl Network? And how could it possibly be fair to all the girls when ONE memberships gets you access to all the solo sites? Who gets paid what? I couldn't possibly think of a model where everyone got a "fair" amount because of issues like which site the join came from vs where is the surfer's usage afterward? My total guess is that Kelly had issues with seeing some of the flaws in this system.


For the Grammar attack - They are from the Netherlands, nice people, cool down to earth folk, english is not their first language - and they are not threatening people. I didn't take offense to that at all - They are warning the scum bags who find a loop hole to get into our websites for free - fuck the thieves and the scum bags - their funny business and their lies - however you want to spell it - right or wrong the message is the same. In the end they are taking MY FUCKING MONEY. So should we allow people to walk into a store, steal what they want and wish them a nice day when they walk out the door? I mean... come on now!

DON'T FUCK WITH THE CHURCHES MONEY !

For your second point: A network

The network works this way. If you opt to be in it at all - the model does have a choice in the manner - SMC does not hold us down and forces us to sign into some shady business.

It works this way... You wash my back... I wash yours... If you are the girl who sells a package deal at lets say 70 bucks, you get 50% of that - That's good money considering we make what... $10 per sign up if that?

On the other hand, smaller websites with girls that are not so popular get a bit left behind. This is where the girl can chose to opt out. If she does, she loses her chance to make more money through a package deal... and it goes on.

We can all make money off our blogs - Wendy Williams makes a killing off her blogs, but she busts her ass on those. She is resourceful and she sweats for her money.

Truth is guys, this is not a shady business as some of you may think it is. The pimps are the ones on the street beating up prostitutes - there are honest folk out there - you just have to look for them.

Isabelle has created " The TS Network " it is unrealistic to think she wouldn't have critics.


My total guess is that Kelly had issues with seeing some of the flaws in this system. [/COLOR]

Kelly has personal issues, she is making false accusations - which none of the other girls or hundreds of affiliates have - and she is a pathological lier. She is digging her own grave. She wants to retire until her supposed lawyer boyfriend kicks her ass out, then you will either see her begging Isabelle for forgiveness as she has done in the past or you will see her on Eros Guide, using the pictures she is allowed to take from her own site at any moment.

[bte]

She had a site? Didn't know that.

[JoePitt]

I know you don't believe this, but I'm actually trying to keep the peace here.

~BB~

Congrats Bella-cose, you did an excellent job of that. I'm amazed anyone could resist your Barney Fife-like attempts at "peacekeeping". Here's some of your greatest hits in this thread :



I'm sorry, but this aggressive posturing reeks of fear and control to me, regardless of guilt or lack thereof.



'Suggest?' You 'suggest' I show you the same? Or else what? You're going to challenge me to a fist fight like Amy Daly did? Can't you be a normal human being and just be polite when asking a favor?

But like I said, 'I hope you know what you're doing.' It doesn't seem like you do.



That's... count them... 1, 2, 3 SMC girls (two of whom are largely considered bat-shit crazy and the other only 19) in this thread talking shit about me



You're not the most composed woman in the world and if you start running off at the mouth, you will get yourself sued.

I'd be more inclined to ask Chris Benoit about family values than come to you to resolve any disagreement peacefully. It's not in your nature.

[zekemek]

I'd be more inclined to ask Chris Benoit about family values than come to you to resolve any disagreement peacefully. It's not in your nature.

Lol. Well played sir. Kinda harsh, but well played nonetheless.

[BellaBellucci]

OK, boys, have your laughs, but none of those quotes were particularly aggressive. Unforgiving maybe, but not aggressive. If anything, I was playing defense so cut me a break, will you? :lol:

The first thing I said was:


A preemptive strike against a girl who doesn't even post here as well as anyone who might come forward to defend her? Now I don't have a personal stake in this or a horse in the race, but I will say, without accusing anyone of guilt, that girls should demand better accountability and accounting from producers when they enter a partnership.

I'm sorry but I can't sit idly by while a girl who isn't even here to defend herself gets cyber-mobbed, but at the same time I'm not exactly up in arms either. I'm just trying to help provide balance, so fine, maybe 'peace' was too strong a word. :yingyang:

~BB~

[Coroner]

I'm sorry but I can't sit idly by while a girl who isn't even here to defend herself gets cyber-mobbed...



I suggest this is exactly what you should do in the future. Just sit idly. And I´m sure the so poor and defenseless girl doesn´t actually care if she´s cyber-mobbed here or if you sit idly or not....
Let´s say, people are talking shit about Tom Hanks (:lol:) on this board or he´s getting cyber-mobbed if you wish to call it that way. I suppose you can´t sit idly unless Tom Hanks gets an account on HA.

[BLKGSXR]

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!! im with hwbs who cares....that said I wish Kelly the best still since I do consider her a friend ^_^

[fred41]

I suggest this is exactly what you should do in the future. Just sit idly. And I´m sure the so poor and defenseless girl doesn´t actually care if she´s cyber-mobbed here or if you sit idly or not....
Let´s say, people are talking shit about Tom Hanks (:lol:) on this board or he´s getting cyber-mobbed if you wish to call it that way. I suppose you can´t sit idly unless Tom Hanks gets an account on HA.


Okay..Sooooooooo what did Tom do?..no,..no, it's okay...you don't have to tell us.

.....He sucked cock didn't he?! He DID right ??!! I KNEW IT. I fucking knew it!!! Hot damn........ahem...doesn't make him a bad guy...no ones business anyway...just cause he's a celebrity ?...he's got a right to privacy....he's a good, no, make that a great actor...he did "Green Mile' so just leave the guy in peace please.



...(teehee hee ! Tom Hanks sucks cock)...

[Coroner]

Okay..Sooooooooo what did Tom do?..no,..no, it's okay...you don't have to tell us.

.....He sucked cock didn't he?! He DID right ??!! I KNEW IT. I fucking knew it!!! Hot damn........ahem...doesn't make him a bad guy...no ones business anyway...just cause he's a celebrity ?...he's got a right to privacy....he's a good, no, make that a great actor...he did "Green Mile' so just leave the guy in peace please.



...(teehee hee ! Tom Hanks sucks cock)...

Hey, I´m leaving the guy alone because I know that Bella won´t sit idly. I´m not up to trouble, man!

[deadlyray]

Yo, fuck that bitch ass mf'g Tom Hanks!

[TSMissJasmine]

In my experience there are several critical advantages to being a solo site partner with SMC and the T-Girl network.

1. Isabelle empowers transsexual performers to think like and become business women. I've been told by other sites, we are lucky these sites shoot us as they are doing us a favor by driving traffic to our escort sites so we can be more successful whores. Not everyone focuses on a whore career, long term.

2. I have 100% creative control over my site design. I own and control all of my content and images. I get paid every month for the efforts I put into each and every production. If I choose to put that content on a dvd, I get paid for every dvd sold, forever. If I hate and image or series of pictures, I throw them away. I decide which photos go up and which ones do not.

3. I have access to 2 of the best shooters in the country, Nick Mellilo and Danielle Foxxx. They find me (AIM tested) talent, provide a venue to create scenes and backgrounds, and front the money to cover the costs of talent and props, backgrounds etc. If I shoot for SMC's multi-girl site, I still get to keep the images to use wherever I desire and i can use the scenes on my solo site.

I have shot for multi sites including shemalestrokers, shemaleyum and of course shemale-club. the problem with shooting only for multi sites is we earn a one time fee to shoot several picture sets and either 1-2 solo masturbation videos or 1 hardcore. Months later, those scenes and images show up on dvd releases and I don't get paid a penny for those profits. The owner of the content and its distribution team gets the money. It's okay, that's how it used to work.

For example, I've shot 5 scenes for shemalestrokers. Each scene i got paid less and less as the multi sites were driving the pay down and still continue to do so. So many months later I discover my scenes are on shemalestrokers #29, 32, 36, bangmytranny ass dvd and suckmytrannycock dvd. I had already been paid my one time fee...the owner of that content, sammy from shemalestrokers and his distribution team make 100% of the money my scene helps generate from that very dvd.

I have also shot for joey silvera dvd series and devils transsexual prostitutes series shot by tom moore. Great producers and really fun shoots. I received a one time payment to do a hot scne, as promised. The profits of that dvd however are not shared with the talent, only with the owner of the content.

Lets look at one of the hardest working transsexual performers in the industry, our beloved Olivia Love. Miss love has 10 years of content floating around the internet and she does not get one penny for any of that content. She got paid once, back in the day. Now her producers are still profiting from those movies. Now of course Miss Olivia Love has a solo site with SMC and she gets a check, every month...and will continue to get paid as long as she works hard to keep her site updated.

And then there is Miss Kelly Shore

It's no surprise to see a girl with a failing site put the blame of its failure on everyone else but herself. In my experience, a site fails for a couple reasons. The talent and or its producers ignore or do not understand the needs and desires of its members and future members. Or, the bitch simply doesn't work hard enough, too few updates, lame content, etc.

Kelly Shore worked very hard with Nick Mellilo and the SMC network. She's great at PR and driving traffic and interest to her site. She shot a ton of content with Tom Moore and of course a lot of scenes with kink's tsseduction. After a year, Kelly took a 6 month or so break. Last october, Kelly & I got together to shoot content of her to get her site back on track. She moved into my studio and we shot several pic sets over a 2-3 week period. SMC supported her decisions and everyone went to work.

Shooting kelly was exhausting as she expressed hatred for the porn industry in general on a daily basis. Her long term goals and interests were far away from porn as she wanted to focus on a relationship.

In any case, Kelly chose to stop shooting for her site in november or december of last year. I am quite surprised smc was even this patient with her...SMC demands updates every 4 days or it feels like its not fair to its members...I don't know the last time kelly even tried to make a new scene for her site.

[BellaBellucci]

I suggest this is exactly what you should do in the future. Just sit idly. And I´m sure the so poor and defenseless girl doesn´t actually care if she´s cyber-mobbed here or if you sit idly or not....
Let´s say, people are talking shit about Tom Hanks (:lol:) on this board or he´s getting cyber-mobbed if you wish to call it that way. I suppose you can´t sit idly unless Tom Hanks gets an account on HA.

Oh yeah, that's totally the same thing because obviously I know Tom Hanks as well as I know Kelly. :rolleyes: C'mon now with that! :lol:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Hilarious. I've never held back telling anyone what I think, and that somehow makes me a "kiss ass". You're brain dead, bitch.

You do both, hence my 'emotional tourettes' comment. Pick a personality, Sybil.

~BB~

[LittleGuy]

bella and nicole both have issues.

[deadlyray]

TBod's an angry man, but he makes a fair point. I hope no one is offended by this post. This is just my opinion.

As a fan, I really don't care who winds up with my money as long as I get want I want in return.

I hate to even put this out there (but since I said join Kellyshore.net and be quick about it...). A Shemale Yum shoot is more prone to give the fans what they want to see than an SMC Revenue shoot. No question.

SMC = Pro photogs with no passion (meaning they don't see it from the fan's eyes)
SMY = Amateur photogs who learn their craft, but have a passion for TS models

I have been a Shemale Yum member since before they even had members! When Seanchai was stealing those pics from other sites! I remember.

Seanchai knows what the fans want and delivers it. There is not much glamor photography and I get what I want out a high percentage of the shoots.

It's Flash vs Substance.

My view is that:

1) SMC Revenue's main goal is to get you pretty looking pictures and make the models look as good as possible (the pictures sometimes look airbrushed). The sites are visually striking as well.

That's a good thing.

However, when I look through the pretty pics, very few are actually saved to my hard drive. I believe I may have saved less than 20 pics the last time I was a member. They sold me striking pictures of TS Mandy and TS Morgan Bailey. I was thinking I was going to get all the Morgan Bailey I could handle. I only have a couple of videos saved.

They sell you on flash rather than substance.

2) Grooby's main goal is to give fans the type of content they crave. Their sites are not as flashy, but are MUCH easier to navigate and they is a huge variety of models. I save TONS of content from SMY & BTG.

I will say this, SMY is getting more and more flashy, but they are still putting a ton of content up every week and I feel like I am getting substance along with the flash.

Heck, Robert's tgirlpassion has some of the worst photography, models, website design (meaning colors, it's easy to navigate), and videography known to man, but Robert has made more money off of me than SMC Revenue, because he gives me what I want on a usual basis.

Here are the sites I know about:

shemaleyum.com - I'm usually a member
black-tgirls.com - I'm usually a member
tgirlpassion.com - I'll join every few months if that, updated very infrequently with one model at a time.
tgirl-network.com - I joined twice, will wait about a year or two (or three) before joining again
trannypack.com - Will never this network again, terrible.
brazillian-transsexuals.com - I don't join only because I'm not a big fan of Brazilian porn.
bobs-tgirls.com - I join it ever couple of years or so. Same style of photography as SMC without the airbrushing.
shemale-club.com - hard as hell to navigate. Also by SMC, but I like it better than tgirl-network. I loved it the first time I joined even though I think of it as a Brazilian porn site with a few Americans sprinkled in. I may join once a year.
franks-tgirls.com - not enough American TS' for me.
ladyboy-ladyboy.com - the original, but I haven't seen any new girls that have stood out for quite sometime. I am currently a member, however.
shemale-japan.com - joined once, but never joined again.
lb-69.com - overpriced with weak content
shemalepornstar.com - I felt royally ripped off by this site and wished I'd joined shemalejapan instead since I was going back and forth. Won't ever join this site again. I didn't save one thing from that site.
tgirls-uk.com - not bad. Joined once, but not in a hurry to join again. I love t-girls from the UK, but the content is just "not bad." Same applies to zoeyfuckpuppet.com and all those other sites. I am not going to join this site when I can be a member of SMY.

I usually don't join solo model sites, because they are rarely updated and when they are, the quality is horrendous.

I have joined transbeauty.com several times. I am a satisfied customer, but I let years go by between purchases because it is updated so infrequently and the image quality (and site design) is so horrendous that it boggles the mind.

[Solitary Brother]

I will tell you what happened because I have the facts - Kelly Shore accused Shemale Club of embezzlement - Yes ladies and gentlemen not even me, the crazy lady had the nerves to go after one of the top affiliate networks on the net. Award winning affiliate network may I add.

Shemale Club has been a business for over 15 years and has risen to the top through the hard work and dedication of my dear friend and business partner Isabelle.

This woman has been an angel to me, Jasmine Jewels ( who introduced me to Isa ), Kimber James, Bailey Jay, Jesse Flo, Wendy Williams, Foxxy, Natassia Dreams, Sexxy Jade, Mia Isabella, they just announced the signing of Vaniity, and some amazing new talent ( sorry if I forget anyone )

As you can clearly see by the A list, Shemale Club is a reputable company and pardon my french but this bitch is NUTZ - takes one to know one.

Kelly has been given many chances in the past to regain her composure through difficult times in her life, always been treated with respect, as anyone has in our network.

Our family is dysfunctional at times but that just speaks of our closeness.

I am seriously hurt by all the mess this little cunt is stirring up and I am going to give you this quote and I hope it stays with you for as long as you live, straight from the law books, if we must bring in the DMCA.

*** THE TRUTH IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFESE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION ***

As to the idiotic statement regarding website payouts - Being a model is the easy work, running a business is not. My partners earn each cent and they deserve even more. I have one of the best photographers in the business at my disposal, a man who has worked for Vogue, Playboy, Penthouse, BanBros you name it...I have some of the best creative, dedicated design team. I draw something up and it's like they read my mind. And it's all done at a very open and systematic way.

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

www.kellyshore.net (http://www.kellyshore.net) is case closed - next chapter please


Just because a lot of the top girls use these people doesnt mean they arent crooks.

[GroobySteven]

Let's not turn this into a one site versus another site sort of thing, that really should be done on another thread if that was what anybody wanted.

There have been plenty of examples of models getting ripped off in this industry over the years and the companies getting mentioned here, remain at the top of the games because they do work well with the models, no matter what their business model - which is why new (and old) models continue to work with them and despite differences in their content, they continue to sell.

Deadlyray ... I'll be dropping you a PM to see what your bad experiences were on ShemalePornstar.com and ShemaleJapan.com - hopefully, you were there in the early days and we've rectified it since.

[slinky]

It's interesting to find a post you put up which is on topic but shows someone might not be telling the truth, it disappears if they have certain friends. Hardly worth putting in the effort to make posts with an insider's POV if other insiders make sure the dirt stays swept under the carpet.

[Nicole Dupre]

You do both, hence my 'emotional tourettes' comment. Pick a personality, Sybil.

~BB~
Whatever you say, you fuckin' communist bagladyboy. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

bella and nicole both have issues.

YouTube- Destiny's Child - Say My Name [1080pHD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdFg6seiRdg)

[Nicole Dupre]

Pornography lies at the intersection of degradation, glamour, and enlightenment. Choose your path wisely.

This has been a public service message from the TS porn world's most epic failure. Enjoy your foodstamp peanut butter, and goodnight. lol

[Coroner]

Bella is a communist? That´s awesome.

[TsVanessa69]

So that Vorga thing MiMi was spouting could have some legs to it?
yep, there is alot of shit about alot of people that you guys don't know, and if you did you would be idolizing somebody else, LOL

[TsVanessa69]

It's interesting to find a post you put up which is on topic but shows someone might not be telling the truth, it disappears if they have certain friends. Hardly worth putting in the effort to make posts with an insider's POV if other insiders make sure the dirt stays swept under the carpet.
May be for different reasons, but this statement is totally true an I totally agree with it 100%

[TsVanessa69]

Signed Felicia Katt
She is very right. When the whole mimi HIV thing came up and I talked with legal counsel at my work, they gave me the exct same info. Slander and deformation of character are crimes.

[LittleGuy]

I dont trust any of these women.

[BLKGSXR]

I dont trust any of these women.
this has to be the smartest post ive seen you post so far.

[blonde_sweetheart]

I dont trust any of these women.


We don't trust any of you either.

[Coroner]

Why does this remind me of some thrillers where secret agents are to be executed, they find out about that and are told by good friends not to trust anyone. :lol:

[SpoogeMonkey]

this should be settled by all girls posting pictures of their tits and genitals. that way we can pass judgement properly and without having to actually read anything.

[Nicole Dupre]

We don't trust any of you either.
LMAO!

Girl, he has bigger issues than he's aware of. He can't even trust himself. He comes here every day and makes a complete jackass out of himself. lol

[tsmandy]

I have a lot to say about this, but in this discussion honesty will upset everyone and frankly what speaks loudest on Isa's behalf is girls like myself, Kimber, Mia, Jade, Foxxy,Jasmine etc... who continue to bust ass on our sites with the company.

I've been approached repeatedly by many different companies and producers offering to do better, but honestly as long as I run a solo site I'm going to stick with SMC.

The only thing that would lure me away from SMC would be a full time gig directing BDSM movies for a 6 figure salary. Until that happens, I will continue to devote my creativity and physical energy to making my company and site a success.

I don't know Kelly personally and I have no interest in either attacking or defending her, its between her and Isa.

p.s. in the discussion about substance vs. flashiness...I challenge you to find another solo site that features regular hardcore content like mine, both with vid quality and major crossover stars regularly appearing. I easily spend more money on my shoots than any other solo model and SMC continues to support my ideas and vision of quality TS fetish and hardcore content. Until I worked with SMC I never got booked to work with female talent, now I can pay some of the top BDSM/ hc performers in the biz and it really means the world to me.

[WendyWilliams]

::;edit:: Nevermind LOL

[Trans-Promo]

I have a lot to say about this, but in this discussion honesty will upset everyone and frankly what speaks loudest on Isa's behalf is girls like myself, Kimber, Mia, Jade, Foxxy,Jasmine etc... who continue to bust ass on our sites with the company

And to the rest of the girls... our opinions are not important ? lol

[tsmandy]

And to the rest of the girls... your opinions are not important...lol

huh? I'm confused. I suppose that's true. I assume my opinions are not important to most people, unless they know me. Then they just want to understand my rational for all the strange things I do and say. :)

[Nikka]

::;edit:: Nevermind lol

lol........

[Trans-Promo]

huh? I'm confused. I suppose that's true. I assume my opinions are not important to most people, unless they know me. Then they just want to understand my rational for all the strange things I do and say. :)

I meant " OUR" opinion are not as important? I was writing fast wrote your instead of our.

OOpsie

Was just jealous you didn't say my name - SAY MY NAME BITCH SAY MY NAME

[tsmandy]

ha ha. you bitches are all crazy. :)

[Areeya_Thai_TS]

wow there is fight and drama?

[Tepres]

Is it true that all of you TGs with SMC sites are coughing up 50% as someone mentioned earlier in this thread?

[Nicole Dupre]

Is it true that all of you TGs with SMC sites are coughing up 50% as someone mentioned earlier in this thread?
Generally, the lower the percentage, the less your webmaster brings to the table. The biggest lazy ass bitch, who I was almost dumb enough to work with, offered me 70%. But she couldn't be bothered to do very much, God love her. lol The guy before that, who I kept 60% with, was also completely worthless. So imo 50% is fine when you're in good hands.

[yosi]

Isabelle stopped her vacation to Spain to take care of my finances when my local banks failed. She has given me opportunities to grow both mentally and professionally. She encourages me and guides me like any decent human being should. She is a family woman and she has a heart of gold.



in other words : you can't be objective about it :shrug

[Trans-Promo]

in other words : you can't be objective about it :shrug

• OBJECTIVE (adjective)
The adjective OBJECTIVE has 4 senses:
1. undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena
2. serving as or indicating the object of a verb or of certain prepositions and used for certain other purposes
3. emphasizing or expressing things as perceived without distortion of personal feelings, insertion of fictional matter, or interpretation
4. belonging to immediate experience of actual things or events

I am almost 35 years old darling, I don't have time for childish games. I call it as is.

There is no need to be objective here - AT ALL

[FiremanforTS]

Ah, one of the reasons I like it here, the excitement.

:peanutbutter

[bat1]

and the drama plays on!

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Will this thread go away, now that 9/3/2010 has arrived? Auto-Delete please.

[JoePitt]

So that Vorga thing MiMi was spouting could have some legs to it?yep, there is alot of shit about alot of people that you guys don't know, and if you did you would be idolizing somebody else, LOL

Hmm, it's funny how Bella instantly jumped to Kelly's defense and then choose to let this slide. Mimi hasn't been around for a while either. Maybe she isn't part of the crusade.

[Tika]

Kelly's been around for years, and was a regular chatter on Yahoo's TG chatrooms, as was I. There's a LOT of shit about how irresponsible she is - stuff like looting the aesthetician's office she used to work at, stealing a computer, taking off on roommates and leaving them with rent owing. From what she's admitted to and what people have said, she'll use anyone anytime to get what she wants.

Personally I've never liked her. I think she's fake, plastic-looking and shallow. She'll say or do anything she can to get attention. Whatever. Some people idolize her, some people can't stand her. It all comes down to who you believe.

[shemale-411]

I've been away for a couple of weeks so I missed all this. But I'm happy SMC finally dropped Kelly. She used to jump in the HA tinychat last fall and I would go in there to kill some time while photoshopping etc. She would have her fans in there, which was cool, but she would also be very blunt about she was done with porn after AVN etc. Which honestly made no sense, if you're done you're done, why go to the expense of travelling to Vegas etc? But I kept my mouth shut, to each their own.

I guess it just kinda irked me. I mean she would brag about escorting, but that she only had 6? clients, ( something like that) made the money for her boobs, and quit. Then she was down on porn, yet it had paid her bills etc. So once I saw she wasnt doing anymore updates around winter, I quietly dropped her banners. I don't have a giant site, but I'm sure the sites I promote appreciate what I send them. It was just obvious Kelly was done with things and I can't control much, but why send possible sales to someone who had gotten a shitty attitude about the whole business and was done with it? Hey, I wish her the best, but I'm happy to see SMC unhitch the wagon and move on.

http://www.shemale-411.com

[BellaBellucci]

Hmm, it's funny how Bella instantly jumped to Kelly's defense and then choose to let this slide. Mimi hasn't been around for a while either. Maybe she isn't part of the crusade.

I don't know anything about the 'Vorga situation' because Kelly wasn't really talking to anyone at the time. She was concentrating on her relationship instead.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

It all comes down to who you believe.

Doesn't everything? :wiggle:

~BB~

[Tepres]

Generally, the lower the percentage, the less your webmaster brings to the table. The biggest lazy ass bitch, who I was almost dumb enough to work with, offered me 70%. But she couldn't be bothered to do very much, God love her. lol The guy before that, who I kept 60% with, was also completely worthless. So imo 50% is fine when you're in good hands.

If I were doing that type of thing, 50% would not be acceptable to me. And definitely not 60-70%. It might be a worthy investment of your time to learn to build & run your own site. If the money generated from sign-ups, is worth the effort to try. I'm thinking some girls just use their paysites to advertise their escorting services more than relying on the income generated by signups.


Some people idolize her, some people can't stand her. It all comes down to who you believe.

There's a middle ground. I don't idolize her nor do I hate her. And I certainly wouldn't judge her based on what all the SMC people who are in lock-step with each other had to say about her. I'm not trying to take sides, but it would be good if she came and responded for herself. But if she's truly done with porn, I guess she has no reason to give a shit enough to try. At least until her next breakup. :)

[Solitary Brother]

Generally, the lower the percentage, the less your webmaster brings to the table. The biggest lazy ass bitch, who I was almost dumb enough to work with, offered me 70%. But she couldn't be bothered to do very much, God love her. lol The guy before that, who I kept 60% with, was also completely worthless. So imo 50% is fine when you're in good hands.


Your pretty dumb to say this and even DUMBER if you believe it.
Even the mob allows you to keep more of your money....
If this is how these guys operate its a disgrace!
You all are allowing lowlifes to leech off of you and your accepting it.
This is sad.....its really sad....
YOU ARE BEING RIPPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TSPornFan]

Has anyone noticed Kelly has AN Update on SMC? Oliva Love's site has an update with Kelly and Oliva. It was released last month.

[AmyDaly]

Your pretty dumb to say this and even DUMBER if you believe it.
Even the mob allows you to keep more of your money....
If this is how these guys operate its a disgrace!
You all are allowing lowlifes to leech off of you and your accepting it.
This is sad.....its really sad....
YOU ARE BEING RIPPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well you gotta still pay the photographer and the company who hosts your site and uses their resources to promote and support,and other important stuff that you don't have to worry about. Its a pretty fair deal imo.

Cam sites like Imlive.com steals 70% of your income. Yes 70% is stealing.

[Solitary Brother]

Well you gotta still pay the photographer and the company who hosts your site and uses their resources to promote and support,and other important stuff that you don't have to worry about. Its a pretty fair deal imo.

Cam sites like Imlive.com steals 70% of your income. Yes 70% is stealing.


Wow....
I cant believe what I am hearing....

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't know anything about the 'Vorga situation' because Kelly wasn't really talking to anyone at the time. She was concentrating on her relationship instead.

~BB~
Oh, please. Like Kelly gave a rat's ass about keeping you, of all people, informed.

Why don't you and your new hard-looking BF, Tika, just get a room,

[Trans-Promo]

Your pretty dumb to say this and even DUMBER if you believe it.
Even the mob allows you to keep more of your money....
If this is how these guys operate its a disgrace!
You all are allowing lowlifes to leech off of you and your accepting it.
This is sad.....its really sad....
YOU ARE BEING RIPPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey stick to attacking the white man brotha

[Nicole Dupre]

Hey stick to attacking the white man brotha
And stick to trying to get white trannys to bang that cute butt of yours for free, low-funds brotha. lol

This motherfucker thinks he's a playa. Meanwhile, every bitch in creation has wound up putting him on the dna list. A bitch would HAVE to be tweaked to the gods not to be able read this queen's tea leaves for FILTH.

Save that story about moving the new job for YO MAMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNlRiNSh93E), brothaman. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Ya know, it was a big toss-up; 'do I go with SMC or with Solitary Brotha's Down-Lo-Dick-in-the-Ass Productions?' I went with SMC because... well, I hate traveling to Queens. lol

[Trans-Promo]

Ya know, it was a big toss-up; 'do I go with SMC or with Solitary Brotha's Down-Lo-Dick-in-the-Ass Productions?' I went with SMC because... well, I hate traveling to Queens. lol

ROFFL kikikikikikikiki

[BellaBellucci]

Oh, please. Like Kelly gave a rat's ass about keeping you, of all people, informed.

Why don't you and your new hard-looking BF, Tika, just get a room,


Kelly wasn't really talking to anyone at the time.

So are you retarded, blind, angry, or maybe just a wee bit biased? :geek:

http://tinypic.com/6i8nih.jpg

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

So are you retarded, blind, angry, or maybe just a wee bit biased? :geek:

http://tinypic.com/6i8nih.jpg

~BB~
Whatever you say, She Guevara. lol

http://www.transfabulous.co.uk/TFimages/che.jpg

[Trans-Promo]

ROFFL ki ki

[BellaBellucci]

Whatever you say, She Guevara. lol

http://www.transfabulous.co.uk/TFimages/che.jpg

OK, I admit it. I laughed. Bravo. :claps

~BB~

[Trans-Promo]

im sure the next to go will be mia-isabella.com. the updates are only about 1 per month and the girl cant stay hard. shed rather be a whuer


Why this idiot has not been banned is beyond my understanding.

[tao1kiku]

Wow, I've been looking all over for the definition of "whuer", can't find it. And I thought I was fairly well read.

[Nicole Dupre]

guess you dont watch the Sapranos :dancing:
Somebody is due to get cyber-whacked.

"Fugetaboutit, ya half a sissy." lol

[mfmirofai]

Please do not speak on this manner if all you want to do is make a fool of yourself.

I will let you HAVE IT!

I think you should let me have it anyway.

[deadlyray]

Well you gotta still pay the photographer and the company who hosts your site and uses their resources to promote and support,and other important stuff that you don't have to worry about. Its a pretty fair deal imo.

Cam sites like Imlive.com steals 70% of your income. Yes 70% is stealing.

Daaaaaaaamn! 70 fuckin percent??? Yea, that's stealing.