Glen Beck is REAAAALLY trying it!

[Solitary Brother]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_on_en_tv/us_dc_rally_glenn_beck

This motherfucker is going to get either beat up or shot.
"Reclaim the civil rights movement"?
WTF.....
Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it.
WTF.....
This ignorant bastard is really asking for it....he is going to have this thing on Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream speech" day"
OH HELLLL NO
WTF!???
See.....this why we have fucking problems......oh he is going to have racist ass Sarah Palin speak there too.
This is some straight up bullshit...

[Nicole Dupre]

Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are down by law. lol

[Solitary Brother]

You have some of these racists who are REALLY taunting black people...do they want a fucking race war?
One of the main reasons I voted for Obama was because of these racist bastards dogging him and now Beck going after Dr King?
Some of ya'll dont know how violent black people can be but if you continue with the bullshit you are going to find out.

We dont need this bullshit.......especially now.

[NYBURBS]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_on_en_tv/us_dc_rally_glenn_beck

This motherfucker is going to get either beat up or shot.
"Reclaim the civil rights movement"?
WTF.....
Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it.
WTF.....
This ignorant white bastard is really asking for it....he is going to have this thing on Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream speech" day"
OH HELLLL NO white booooy!!!!
WTF!???
See.....this why we have fucking problems......oh he is going to have racist ass Sarah Palin speak there too.
This is some straight up bullshit...

It's the whites of the North that pushed for abolition and there were whites who marched along side blacks in the South during the civil rights movement.

Btw, I realize your Queenie side likes to stir the drama, but if you really don't want to be grouped according to your skin color, then you shouldn't do it to other people.

PS- The term "civil rights" technically has zilch to do with the color of your skin, but instead refers to the individual rights, privileges, and immunities of citizens and residents of a nation.

[Silcc69]

We all know what Beck's motive is and that's to get black folks riled up. He then says it's not political yet invites Sarah Plain come on Beck are you really serious?

[Solitary Brother]

It's the whites of the North that pushed for abolition and there were whites who marched along side blacks in the South during the civil rights movement.

Btw, I realize your Queenie side likes to stir the drama, but if you really don't want to be grouped according to your skin color, then you shouldn't do it to other people.

So Beck isnt "stirring up" Drama?
In case you have noticed genius ever since Barack Obama announced he was running for office all of this racial bullshit has been promoted by WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sick of it.
It is these racists who are grouping people according to skin color.
I hope Beck gets beaten bloody.....I really do.

[NYBURBS]

So Beck isnt "stirring up" Drama?
In case you have noticed genius ever since Barack Obama announced he was running for office all of this racial bullshit has been promoted by WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sick of it.
It is these racists who are grouping people according to skin color.
I hope Beck gets beaten bloody.....I really do.

Beck, Palin, Sharpton (and just about any other high profile public figure) thrive off of publicity and drama. However, you're taking his statement and twisting it into a racial issue where there need not be one.

There are people that attack Obama because he is black, and there are those that love/defend him simply because of his race. Neither is appropriate, and if you really wanted to move closer to your race not defining you as a person, you'd refrain from these types of inflammatory comparisons yourself.

PS- Cut the bullshit for a moment and think about what you're posting. Talking about race wars and beating ppl bloody. There are approximately 200 million whites in this country and less than 40 million blacks. Do the math, and then go pray every night that it never happens.

[rockabilly]

I'm just gonna be over here. :whistle:

[Solitary Brother]

Beck, Palin, Sharpton (and just about any other high profile public figure) thrive off of publicity and drama. However, you're taking his statement and twisting it into a racial issue where there need not be one.

There are people that attack Obama because he is black, and there are those that love/defend him simply because of his race. Neither is appropriate, and if you really wanted to move closer to your race not defining you as a person, you'd refrain from these types of inflammatory comparisons yourself.

PS- Cut the bullshit for a moment and think about what you're posting. Talking about race wars and beating ppl bloody. There are approximately 200 million whites in this country and less than 40 million blacks. Do the math, and then go pray every night that it never happens.

I understand your not a rational person by your tag line and your many right wing posts.

He,Glen Beck has made this thing political AND racial by having Sarah Palin as the keynote speaker to this event.
He,Glen Beck has made this thing racial by having it on the anniversary of Dr.Kings "I have a dream" speech and having it at the Lincoln Memorial the same place that Dr.King had his speech.
He,Glen Beck has stated he is "reclaiming" Civil Rights.
He,Glen Beck has called Barack Obama a racist who "hates white people" while ignoring that Obama himself is part white and offers NO PROOF of anything "racist" Obama has ever said or done.

FUCK YOU NYBURBS and anyone else that feels like you do.

[Silcc69]

SB pretty much nailed it. Let's be real NYBURBS this thing is racial related and political. If it weren't why not allow somebody liek JC Watts to speak?

[NYBURBS]

I understand your not a rational person by your tag line and your many right wing posts.

He,Glen Beck has made this thing political AND racial by having Sarah Palin as the keynote speaker to this event.
He,Glen Beck has made this thing racial by having it on the anniversary of Dr.Kings "I have a dream" speech and having it at the Lincoln Memorial the same place that Dr.King had his speech.
He,Glen Beck has stated he is "reclaiming" Civil Rights.
He,Glen Beck has called Barack Obama a racist who "hates white people" while ignoring that Obama himself is part white and offers NO PROOF of anything "racist" Obama has ever said or done.

FUCK YOU NYBURBS and anyone else that feels like you do.

Whether or not the timing is coincidence or intentional doesn't matter. If you can't see why posting about "white boy this" and "white boy that" (along with talking about beatings) is inappropriate, then there is little hope for you.

How would you take a post where someone comes on here spewing "nigger this" and "nigger that", and remarking that they hope they get beat down? Either one is ignorant, and it's sad that you can't seem to grasp that.

[Dino Velvet]

So Beck isnt "stirring up" Drama?
In case you have noticed genius ever since Barack Obama announced he was running for office all of this racial bullshit has been promoted by WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sick of it.
It is these racists who are grouping people according to skin color.
I hope Beck gets beaten bloody.....I really do.

Beck has a strong following but I don't take him seriously. Violence is the worst option. I remember way back when I was in Elementary School Jesse Jackson was running for President. I asked my dad, "Dad, Jesse Jackson has a big mouth. Why doesn't someone shoot him?" My dad said, "Why make a martyr out of a clown?" Those were wise words because Jesse eventually showed himself to be the jackass he is and no one takes him seriously any more. It didn't happen overnight but it did happen.

[Silcc69]

Beck has a strong following but I don't take him seriously. Violence is the worst option. I remember way back when I was in Elementary School Jesse Jackson was running for President. I asked my dad, "Dad, Jesse Jackson has a big mouth. Why doesn't someone shoot him?" My dad said, "Why make a martyr out of a clown?" Those were wise words because Jesse eventually showed himself to be the jackass he is and no one takes him seriously any more. It didn't happen overnight but it did happen.


I'm pretty sure Glenn Beck has way more pull than Jessie Jackson ever could. Beck just shitted on Fox New's second largest stockholder who is might as well be one of his bosses. Any other person would've been fired but not Beck.

[NYBURBS]

I'm pretty sure Glenn Beck has way more pull than Jessie Jackson ever could. Beck just shitted on Fox New's second largest stockholder who is might as well be one of his bosses. Any other person would've been fired but not Beck.

Beck is an over-hyped media clown, just like Palin. There are plenty of people that follow what they say, but it's not as big as you'd think. There are plenty of libertarians that see their presence as counter-productive to our cause.

[Solitary Brother]

Whether or not the timing is coincidence or intentional doesn't matter. If you can't see why posting about "white boy this" and "white boy that" (along with talking about beatings) is inappropriate, then there is little hope for you.

How would you take a post where someone comes on here spewing "nigger this" and "nigger that", and remarking that they hope they get beat down? Either one is ignorant, and it's sad that you can't seem to grasp that.

I clean it up not for CRACKERS LIKE YOU but the other good folks here.
Go fuck yourself again!

[NYBURBS]

I clean it up not for CRACKERS LIKE YOU but the other good folks here.
Go fuck yourself again!

W/e Queenie, go pull the bunch outta your panties, and get back to that heavy bag :fu:

[south ov da border]

I don't have a problem with Beck. He's actually quite informative, and he always hypes Dr. King. Color is an issue we need to get past, but realize that won't hapen til 2050 when everyone will be brown. I don't like Obama, and I'm black. I don't agree with his way of going about things, and Biden hah, what a joke. Don't like McCain and Palin either. Last election was going to be one big power grab one way or another. Healthcare is goingto be an atrocity. I don't see things getting better. I don't see Beck as a threat, just out for publicity...

[Solitary Brother]

Beck has a strong following but I don't take him seriously. Violence is the worst option. I remember way back when I was in Elementary School Jesse Jackson was running for President. I asked my dad, "Dad, Jesse Jackson has a big mouth. Why doesn't someone shoot him?" My dad said, "Why make a martyr out of a clown?" Those were wise words because Jesse eventually showed himself to be the jackass he is and no one takes him seriously any more. It didn't happen overnight but it did happen.

You know what I didnt either until this latest incident.
I didnt even get that bent out of shape when he called Obama a racist because hey.....I swore up and down Bush was one.
But that neither here or there.
But him going after Dr.King like this and thats what he is doing is really pissing me off.
Doesnt this fucker have better thing to do with his life other than spreading hate?

[fred41]

I clean it up not for CRACKERS LIKE YOU but the other good folks here.
Go fuck yourself again!

I do have to say - I never really thought the word "cracker" packed much of a wallop...I know this has nothing to do with this thread but I think it needed saying.

[Solitary Brother]

I don't have a problem with Beck. He's actually quite informative, and he always hypes Dr. King. Color is an issue we need to get past, but realize that won't hapen til 2050 when everyone will be brown. I don't like Obama, and I'm black. I don't agree with his way of going about things, and Biden hah, what a joke. Don't like McCain and Palin either. Last election was going to be one big power grab one way or another. Healthcare is goingto be an atrocity. I don't see things getting better. I don't see Beck as a threat, just out for publicity...

I think Obama is worse than Bush but go after him based on issues not color.....not calling him a "racist" and saying he "hates white people".
That kind of thing pisses me off and thats what a BUNCH of EVIL WHITE PEOPLE in this country are doing.
How come black people always have to let things slide?
Im sick of these racist fuckers.....

[Solitary Brother]

I do have to say - I never really thought the word "cracker" packed much of a wallop...I know this has nothing to do with this thread but I think it needed saying.

Do you really want me to respond to this?

[Solitary Brother]

I don't have a problem with Beck. He's actually quite informative, and he always hypes Dr. King. Color is an issue we need to get past, but realize that won't hapen til 2050 when everyone will be brown. I don't like Obama, and I'm black. I don't agree with his way of going about things, and Biden hah, what a joke. Don't like McCain and Palin either. Last election was going to be one big power grab one way or another. Healthcare is goingto be an atrocity. I don't see things getting better. I don't see Beck as a threat, just out for publicity...

If you think Beck is "informative" you got trouble.

[Dino Velvet]

You know what I didnt either until this latest incident.
I didnt even get that ent out of shape when he called Obama a racist because hey.....I swore up and down Bush was one.
But that neither here or there.
But him going after Dr.King like this and thats what he is doing is really pissing me off.
Doesnt this fucker have better thing to do with his life other than spreading hate?

You're a good guy, SB. Beck will play himself out. I'm from the Conservative side and I laugh at him. I do have some loopy fake Christian type relatives from Palos Verdes that worship guys like Beck and Hannity. I just roll my eyes over Thanksgiving Dinner.

Are you a strong supporter of Obama?

[Solitary Brother]

W/e Queenie, go pull the bunch outta your panties, and get back to that heavy bag :fu:


Im not the one that PAYS to take dick in their asshole or suck cum out of strangers dicks.
I wonder how "socialist" you think America is while your getting your back side dug out?
Does it matter to you if the tranny that is fucking you is a democrat or a republican?
You fucking republican closet cases kill me.

[Dino Velvet]

I'm pretty sure Glenn Beck has way more pull than Jessie Jackson ever could. Beck just shitted on Fox New's second largest stockholder who is might as well be one of his bosses. Any other person would've been fired but not Beck.

Jesse had power in 1980 when I explored the possibility of whacking him. I was only 12 years old at the time.

[Solitary Brother]

You're a good guy, SB. Beck will play himself out. I'm from the Conservative side and I laugh at him. I do have some loopy fake Christian type relatives from Palos Verdes that worship guys like Beck and Hannity. I just roll my eyes over Thanksgiving Dinner.

Are you a strong supporter of Obama?

I voted for him...Im a registered Independent and I use to be a Republican(only because of the miltary thing).
I think he is doing a terrible job.
Im just getting sick of ALL this racist bullshit!
It seems like since he has been president its been one racist attack after another.
Im black and this shit is pissing me off.
It never bother me until this latest thing and now he is teaming up with Palin?
WTF????
Does somebody have to get killed before people realize that its a problem?

I actually like Ron Paul(a lot of people say HE is a racist)
I just want someone in there who isnt a tool of the big corporations.

You can laugh it off because your a white guy...your group isnt getting attacked.
Black people have a lot invested in Obama because if he does bad(and he is) we all will be unfairly judged by that.

[Solitary Brother]

Jesse had power in 1980 when I explored the possibility of whacking him. I was only 12 years old at the time.

You mean Jessie Helms?

[south ov da border]

If you think Beck is "informative" you got trouble.

Yea he is, but in the go look it up for yourself way. I like to read about history. I don't take him as an authority. I find him entertaining but maybe that was b/c they got rid of Stephanie Miller here and I listened to him instead. I'm not a follower of him everyday. Maybe I catch his show once a week if that...

[NYBURBS]

Im not the one that PAYS to take dick in their asshole or suck cum out of strangers dicks.
I wonder how "socialist" you think America is while your getting your back side dug out?
Does it matter to you if the tranny that is fucking you is a democrat or a republican?
You fucking republican closet cases kill me.

Na, you're probably too busy posting on CL for some random dude to come poke a hole in your colon. I'm not in denial about what I do, and I don't sit here debating about whether I'm straight/bi/gay, cause it doesn't much matter. Nice try though :wink:

[Dino Velvet]

I voted for him...Im a registered Independent and I use to be a Republican(only because of the miltary thing).
I think he is doing a terrible job.
Im just getting sick of ALL this racist bullshit!
It seems like since he has been president its been one racist attack after another.
Im black and this shit is pissing me off.
It never bother me until this latest thing and now he is teaming up with Palin?
WTF????
Does somebody have to get killed before people realize that its a problem?

I actually like Ron Paul(a lot of people say HE is a racist)
I just want someone in there who isnt a tool of the big corporations.

You can laugh it off because your a white guy...your group isnt getting attacked.
Black people have a lot invested in Obama because if he does bad(and he is) we all will be unfairly judged by that.

I won't and can't say I understand so I'll say point taken. Funny thing you mention Ron Paul. After seeing the 2008 Election with 2 lousy candidates, over time I began listening to Ron Paul. I'm also a registered Independent, not Republican even though somewhat Conservative. I do have a strong Libertarian streak too.

[hippifried]

So Beck isnt "stirring up" Drama?
In case you have noticed genius ever since Barack Obama announced he was running for office all of this racial bullshit has been promoted by WHITE PEOPLE.
I am sick of it.
It is these racists who are grouping people according to skin color.
I hope Beck gets beaten bloody.....I really do.
He's baiting you dude, & you're swallowing the hook. Dont. You think it's bad now? If one, just one, black person starts any kind of violence on saturday, you'll never hear the end of it. You're not the only one who'd like to pound this asshole into the ground like a tent stake. He's a punk, & he appeals to punks, but he controls the mic. Well... Unless enough people show up en masse to shout him down. That's okay. That's free speech. How can he bitch when it's the same Saul Alinski tactic used by the teabaggers last summer. If enough black faces show up, a lot of those punks with th teabags will scurry off like so many cockroaches. Just don't start anything physical, & make sure there's enough cameras around to prove it. If some moronic klan/nazis start trouble, then the whole farse is exposed. They're punks too for the most part, but there's some who will let their reactionary bigotry override what little common sense might be hiding there.

[south ov da border]

I voted for him...Im a registered Independent and I use to be a Republican(only because of the miltary thing).
I think he is doing a terrible job.
Im just getting sick of ALL this racist bullshit!
It seems like since he has been president its been one racist attack after another.
Im black and this shit is pissing me off.
It never bother me until this latest thing and now he is teaming up with Palin?
WTF????
Does somebody have to get killed before people realize that its a problem?

I actually like Ron Paul(a lot of people say HE is a racist)
I just want someone in there who isnt a tool of the big corporations.

You can laugh it off because your a white guy...your group isnt getting attacked.
Black people have a lot invested in Obama because if he does bad(and he is) we all will be unfairly judged by that.

We're alway's going to get unfairly judged. He's not helping our cause. The racial attacks are unfortunate. Why dislike a person on the color of their skin when you can just listen and observe and have a reason...

[Silcc69]

I find it amusing that Rand Paul and Ron Paul seem to be a bit different on a few issues. Is Rand even a libertarian though?

[Dino Velvet]

He's baiting you dude, & you're swallowing the hook. Dont. You think it's bad now? If one, just one, black person starts any kind of violence on saturday, you'll never hear the end of it. You're not the only one who'd like to pound this asshole into the ground like a tent stake. He's a punk, & he appeals to punks, but he controls the mic. Well... Unless enough people show up en masse to shout him down. That's okay. That's free speech. How can he bitch when it's the same Saul Alinski tactic used by the teabaggers last summer. If enough black faces show up, a lot of those punks with th teabags will scurry off like so many cockroaches. Just don't start anything physical, & make sure there's enough cameras around to prove it. If some moronic klan/nazis start trouble, then the whole farse is exposed. They're punks too for the most part, but there's some who will let their reactionary bigotry override what little common sense might be hiding there.

Why would people scurry off if black people show up? I'm sure they would conduct themselves like ladies and gentlemen too.

[Dino Velvet]

I find it amusing that Rand Paul and Ron Paul seem to be a bit different on a few issues. Is Rand even a libertarian though?

They seem to have different stances on foreign policy. Rand is a Republican. Ron is too but still fits in better with the Libertarians.

[NYBURBS]

I find it amusing that Rand Paul and Ron Paul seem to be a bit different on a few issues. Is Rand even a libertarian though?

Rand is a bit of a war hawk, and he and his father have some fundamental differences. I'm a big Ron Paul fan, not so hot about his son though.

[hippifried]

Why would people scurry off if black people show up? I'm sure they would conduct themselves like ladies and gentlemen too.
Beck has his constituency scared shitless. Scared of everything. His whole schtick is playing on fears. Hatred, or even prejudice, starts with fear. Good conduct has nothing to do with whether somebody hangs around or not when they get scared. The teabaggers have a major klan/nazi infestation that they refuse to deal with, but they know it's there. It'll all be on TV. Maybe nobody but the Beckites & other fruit cakes will bother to show up.

[JoePitt]

Wow. A Beck & Palin tête-à-tête is about as surprising as an Al Franklin & Nancy Pelosi tag team. Solitary, do me a favor and break your clozapine in half before taking it next time. Really, only someone with a thin grasp on sanity would get this worked up over a tv talking head.

[NYBURBS]

Beck has his constituency scared shitless. Scared of everything. His whole schtick is playing on fears. Hatred, or even prejudice, starts with fear. Good conduct has nothing to do with whether somebody hangs around or not when they get scared. The teabaggers have a major klan/nazi infestation that they refuse to deal with, but they know it's there. It'll all be on TV. Maybe nobody but the Beckites & other fruit cakes will bother to show up.

So if black panthers show up to an event, even though they didn't sponsor it, it makes the entire rally poisonous?

[Solitary Brother]

Na, you're probably too busy posting on CL for some random dude to come poke a hole in your colon. I'm not in denial about what I do, and I don't sit here debating about whether I'm straight/bi/gay, cause it doesn't much matter. Nice try though :wink:

Im not in denial REALLY
I have never had a dick in my hand mouth or ass can you say the same?

[Solitary Brother]

Wow. A Beck & Palin tête-à-tête is about as surprising as an Al Franklin & Nancy Pelosi tag team. Solitary, do me a favor and break your clozapine in half before taking it next time. Really, only someone with a thin grasp on sanity would get this worked up over a tv talking head.

Your mother is a raging crackwhore

[NYBURBS]

Im not in denial REALLY
I have never had a dick in my hand mouth or ass can you say the same?

lol, but yet you post on this forum. Spare me the bullshit :screwy

[Solitary Brother]

lol, but yet you post on this forum. Spare me the bullshit :screwy

And the trannies "post" in your rancid asshole.

[Helvis2012]

Fox news.....entertainment for morons who can't be bothered to read about or investigate what they "believe" in.

"It's on TV. It's got to be true."

[south ov da border]

to me all the news channels are suspect...

[JoePitt]

Your mother is a raging crackwhore

Ha! My mother died of a heroin overdose so the joke's on you.

[hippifried]

So if black panthers show up to an event, even though they didn't sponsor it, it makes the entire rally poisonous?
Not at all. The rally's already poisonous by design. As long as they don't get physically belligerent, ain't nothing but a thing. It'd really be fun if Louis Farrakhan showed up with a few thousand & politely asked if he could speak. LOL...

[arnie666]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_on_en_tv/us_dc_rally_glenn_beck

This motherfucker is going to get either beat up or shot.
"Reclaim the civil rights movement"?
WTF.....
Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it.
WTF.....
This ignorant bastard is really asking for it....he is going to have this thing on Martin Luther Kings "I have a dream speech" day"
OH HELLLL NO
WTF!???
See.....this why we have fucking problems......oh he is going to have racist ass Sarah Palin speak there too.
This is some straight up bullshit...

Can you give me an example of Palins racism? Or is it just because she is critical of the annointed one? Lt col Allen west has made much more cutting remarks about Obama than Palin has. And west has actually publically said he can't stand him and dislikes him, Palin has never as far as I'm aware made it personal. Iam surprised at the racism slur, given Palin . The common lefty slur is that she doesn't like homosexuals.

The democrat party is scared of Beck, that became obvious in the Sherrod case ,why I really don't know. Beck to me is just a loud mouth rabble rouser and he is using all this 'civil rights movement' stuff because he wants to be the next martin luther king,he admires him . Would a racist want to be martin luther king? . I think he has become intoxicated about the power he thinks he has and this is all about him . If I was a republican I would be a bit embarrassed to be associated with him.But then he seems to get support from other americans, fox seems to like him. So I dunno. I don't know why he gets all this support if I am honest ,I find him annoying and at bit emotionally unstable. I remember when he had an argument with Michelle Malkin and he was virtually crying.

And you talk about him getting beaten up or shot, I thought all the violence comes from the right wing?

You know why america has problems? BOTH SIDES are obsessed with race or origins of family. Obama can't seem to shut up about it either or his tranny wife.He has tried to bring people together? seriously? ... I can see race riots if they don't kick him out. Why is it african american,irish american, latino americans ? why not just american?Morgan Freeman, said similar.

[Amsterdamage]

You know why america has problems? BOTH SIDES are obsessed with race or origins of family

:iagree:

I'm not on board with most of the "racism" allegations on here, but then again i'm not in America so what do i know. i do agree Glenn Beck is a douchebag, but for other reasons.

as an outside, it always strikes me how fucked America on this subject.

i mean look, i also live in a HIGHLY multicultural society. Holland is FULL of 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree immigrants. currently it's about 25%, of which the majority is black. In the urban area, around the major cities, which is where i live, the percentage of inhabitants with non-western roots is even over 50%. Again, blacks (and arabs) form the vast majority.
I can tell you one thing, WE ALL GET ALONG FINE. We even have a prominent right wing politician, who's a muslim lady from Somalia. No problem. Go figure. Black people (with origins from mainly Surinam and the Antillies) are totally integrated in all social and professional levels, whether it's in citizenship, business or politics.

so....all i'm thinking is..why?!

[Silcc69]

Can you give me an example of Palins racism? Or is it just because she is critical of the annointed one? Lt col Allen west has made much more cutting remarks about Obama than Palin has. And west has actually publically said he can't stand him and dislikes him, Palin has never as far as I'm aware made it personal. Iam surprised at the racism slur, given Palin . The common lefty slur is that she doesn't like homosexuals.

The democrat party is scared of Beck, that became obvious in the Sherrod case ,why I really don't know. Beck to me is just a loud mouth rabble rouser and he is using all this 'civil rights movement' stuff because he wants to be the next martin luther king,he admires him . Would a racist want to be martin luther king? . I think he has become intoxicated about the power he thinks he has and this is all about him . If I was a republican I would be a bit embarrassed to be associated with him.But then he seems to get support from other americans, fox seems to like him. So I dunno. I don't know why he gets all this support if I am honest ,I find him annoying and at bit emotionally unstable. I remember when he had an argument with Michelle Malkin and he was virtually crying.

And you talk about him getting beaten up or shot, I thought all the violence comes from the right wing?

You know why america has problems? BOTH SIDES are obsessed with race or origins of family. Obama can't seem to shut up about it either or his tranny wife.He has tried to bring people together? seriously? ... I can see race riots if they don't kick him out. Why is it african american,irish american, latino americans ? why not just american?Morgan Freeman, said similar.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-20/sarah-palins-dr-laura-tweet-black-republicans-react/

Oh but Sarah Palin isn't racist tee hee. And a good chunk of people would rather people jsut forget about racism. Remember this Islamic Center, Illegal Immigrants etc. Seem to be more race driven than anything else.

[scroller]

So if black panthers show up to an event, even though they didn't sponsor it, it makes the entire rally poisonous?

It makes the rally awesome. Having the black panthers march with us at the W. Bush inauguration protest was really inspiring.

[giovanni_hotel]

He's baiting you dude, & you're swallowing the hook. Dont. You think it's bad now? If one, just one, black person starts any kind of violence on saturday, you'll never hear the end of it. You're not the only one who'd like to pound this asshole into the ground like a tent stake. He's a punk, & he appeals to punks, but he controls the mic. Well... Unless enough people show up en masse to shout him down. That's okay. That's free speech. How can he bitch when it's the same Saul Alinski tactic used by the teabaggers last summer. If enough black faces show up, a lot of those punks with th teabags will scurry off like so many cockroaches. Just don't start anything physical, & make sure there's enough cameras around to prove it. If some moronic klan/nazis start trouble, then the whole farse is exposed. They're punks too for the most part, but there's some who will let their reactionary bigotry override what little common sense might be hiding there.

This^^^

Beck and his minions want just ONE Negro to violently disrupt his 'peaceful' rally on the anniversary of Dr. King's I Have A Dream speech, so they can stir up more racial animosity throughout the country and indirectly turn white voters off to Obama.

Choosing to hold a rally on 8/28 at the Lincoln Memorial was NOT an accident, and anyone who's seen Beck's filth on Faux News and knows how he tries to distort historical events to rationalize his backwards world view would recognize this.

Beck and a lot of right-wingers think a mini race-riot will guarantee a Republican takes back the WH.

This is why the NAACP and like minded civil rights organizations have told their members to be NO WHERE NEAR the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday.

It's funny that Obama tried to run as a post-racial Presidential candidate, and ever since he's been in office, the those whacky White folk who can't stand him have tried at every opportunity to portray him as the 'Head Negro In Charge'.:dancing:

[yodajazz]

It's the whites of the North that pushed for abolition and there were whites who marched along side blacks in the South during the civil rights movement.

Btw, I realize your Queenie side likes to stir the drama, but if you really don't want to be grouped according to your skin color, then you shouldn't do it to other people.

PS- The term "civil rights" technically has zilch to do with the color of your skin, but instead refers to the individual rights, privileges, and immunities of citizens and residents of a nation.

I agree with what you say, but what rights are these people talking about? I legitimately dont understand. Are we talking about the bank's right to drain accounts by charging excessive fees, instead of providing services?

Some people forget that it's the governments job to provide for the general welfare, and this includes more than defense and security.

[yodajazz]

Can you give me an example of Palins racism? Or is it just because she is critical of the annointed one? Lt col Allen west has made much more cutting remarks about Obama than Palin has. And west has actually publically said he can't stand him and dislikes him, Palin has never as far as I'm aware made it personal. Iam surprised at the racism slur, given Palin . The common lefty slur is that she doesn't like homosexuals.

The democrat party is scared of Beck, that became obvious in the Sherrod case ,why I really don't know. Beck to me is just a loud mouth rabble rouser and he is using all this 'civil rights movement' stuff because he wants to be the next martin luther king,he admires him . Would a racist want to be martin luther king? . I think he has become intoxicated about the power he thinks he has and this is all about him . If I was a republican I would be a bit embarrassed to be associated with him.But then he seems to get support from other americans, fox seems to like him. So I dunno. I don't know why he gets all this support if I am honest ,I find him annoying and at bit emotionally unstable. I remember when he had an argument with Michelle Malkin and he was virtually crying.

And you talk about him getting beaten up or shot, I thought all the violence comes from the right wing?

You know why america has problems? BOTH SIDES are obsessed with race or origins of family. Obama can't seem to shut up about it either or his tranny wife.He has tried to bring people together? seriously? ... I can see race riots if they don't kick him out. Why is it african american,irish american, latino americans ? why not just american?Morgan Freeman, said similar.
I think that Palin started off with racism on her first national speech, when she referred to small town's being the "real America". This implies that others, particularly urban America, with its larger racial minorities, not being 'real' Americans. It subtle, but still has a racist undertones.

I'll admit that I'm not up on her day to day speeches, but I will say that there are many subtle racist messages in today's political discourse. I see the results in many people's thinking, some of it here, in discussions. Such as the notion that poor or unemployed people are lazy. This plays on old racial stereotypes going back a century. Many words have been loaded or coded, with historical images, such as the word 'welfare'.

But to be honest, I think that it's more about social segments today than it is race. So called conservative vs so called liberals. It helps conservatives to have Blacks identified with the 'liberal' philosophy. That way they can double use racist stereotypes and apply them to all people who voted for Obama, or support Democrats.

Funny thing, those that invaded another country on the premise of exporting democracy, are now crying that their rights are being trampled because they became the minority in the democratic process. I think the US was being more like Hitler when they invaded a country under false pretenses, rather than when the government moved to try to provide healthcare for 20 million, uninsured Americans.

[Silcc69]

This^^^

Beck and his minions want just ONE Negro to violently disrupt his 'peaceful' rally on the anniversary if Dr. King's I Have A Dream speech, so they can stir up more racial animosity throughout the country and indirectly turn white voters off to Obama.

Choosing to hold a rally on 8/28 at the Lincoln Memorial was NOT an accident, and anyone who's seen Beck's filth on Faux News and knows how he tries to distort historical events to rationalize his backwards world view would recognize this.

Beck and a lot of right-wingers think a mini race-riot will guarantee a Republican takes back the WH.

This is why the NAACP and like minded civil rights organizations have told their members to be NO WHERE NEAR the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday.

It's funny that Obama tried to run as a post-racial Presidential candidate, and ever since he's been in office, the those whacky White folk who can't stand him have tried at every opportunity to portray him as the 'Head Negro In Charge'.:dancing:

Yeah but worthless Al Sharpton has decided to hold a counter rally. I like how Louis Farrakan has remained mum on this issue.

[russtafa]

you yanks are really hung up about this race issue. its more about religion in australia with 400 million muslims living next door to us

[giovanni_hotel]

Al Sharpton's counter rally will be nowhere near the Lincoln Memorial.

And let's be real, Australia has a serious fucced up history of its own when it comes to Aboriginals and non-whites.

[loren]

Why is it african american,irish american, latino americans ? why not just american?Morgan Freeman, said similar.
:iagree:Being proud of your heritage is one thing, but some people take things to the extreme. I say this hyphenated-americanism has to go.

[hippifried]

you yanks are really hung up about this race issue. its more about religion in australia with 400 million muslims living next door to us
What's the difference?

[Kramer]

I understand your not a rational person by your tag line and your many right wing posts.

He,Glen Beck has made this thing political AND racial by having Sarah Palin as the keynote speaker to this event.
He,Glen Beck has made this thing racial by having it on the anniversary of Dr.Kings "I have a dream" speech and having it at the Lincoln Memorial the same place that Dr.King had his speech.
He,Glen Beck has stated he is "reclaiming" Civil Rights.
He,Glen Beck has called Barack Obama a racist who "hates white people" while ignoring that Obama himself is part white and offers NO PROOF of anything "racist" Obama has ever said or done.

FUCK YOU NYBURBS and anyone else that feels like you do.

Damn you are in denial or you never watched Becks show. He tells the truth based on quotes from Obama and his radical friends he surrounds himself with. Obama does hate whites in my opinion. Why deny it. Stop defending him! And stop threatening white people, fucking computer tough guy! Big bad high school dropout!

[Kramer]

I think that Palin started off with racism on her first national speech, when she referred to small town's being the "real America". This implies that others, particularly urban America, with its larger racial minorities, not being 'real' Americans. It subtle, but still has a racist undertones.

I'll admit that I'm not up on her day to day speeches, but I will say that there are many subtle racist messages in today's political discourse. I see the results in many people's thinking, some of it here, in discussions. Such as the notion that poor or unemployed people are lazy. This plays on old racial stereotypes going back a century. Many words have been loaded or coded, with historical images, such as the word 'welfare'.

But to be honest, I think that it's more about social segments today than it is race. So called conservative vs so called liberals. It helps conservatives to have Blacks identified with the 'liberal' philosophy. That way they can double use racist stereotypes and apply them to all people who voted for Obama, or support Democrats.

Funny thing, those that invaded another country on the premise of exporting democracy, are now crying that their rights are being trampled because they became the minority in the democratic process. I think the US was being more like Hitler when they invaded a country under false pretenses, rather than when the government moved to try to provide healthcare for 20 million, uninsured Americans.

She's racist because she said "small towns are real america"?? Wtf are you drinking? You saying their arent blacks living in small towns?? Typical liberal spinning!

[natina]

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[hippifried]

I can't remember if I saw this clip in here or not, but just for perspective...

YouTube- Black on Beck - does Glenn Beck have Nazi Tourettes? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6FNFcf0w8)

[Legend]

I'm i missing something here so this glen beck guy is just a news anchor? Please tell me he is more then that because it really isn't necessary to get worked up over a damn news anchor.

[PomonaCA]

I'm i missing something here so this glen beck guy is just a news anchor? Please tell me he is more then that because it really isn't necessary to get worked up over a damn news anchor.


No one is getting worked up over Glenn Beck. What we're seeing is liberals becoming hysterical over the coming blood baths in the november elections. It won't be a good election year for the liberal status quo.

[franks]

It's the whites of the North that pushed for abolition and there were whites who marched along side blacks in the South during the civil rights movement.

Btw, I realize your Queenie side likes to stir the drama, but if you really don't want to be grouped according to your skin color, then you shouldn't do it to other people.

PS- The term "civil rights" technically has zilch to do with the color of your skin, but instead refers to the individual rights, privileges, and immunities of citizens and residents of a nation.
This isn't directed at your comment: to paraphrase Malcolm X, "civil rights" are BS; Human Rights are something you're born with that can't be taken away. As long as you fight something in Uncle Sam's jurisdiction (civil rights), you're fighting it on his terms. "he's the criminal, he created the problem. You don't take your case to the criminal, you take your criminal to court". When African-Americans fought for their rights in this country, who were they fighting? When this government disagreed with a policy, they went into that country and took care of it. The government could have stepped in during the 1920s when African Americans were being lynched at a horrific rate.

[south ov da border]

No one is getting worked up over Glenn Beck. What we're seeing is liberals becoming hysterical over the coming blood baths in the november elections. It won't be a good election year for the liberal status quo.

:iagree:I think u'r correct on that one. Major shake-up come November...

[Ben]

Actually, a lot of people in this audience have legitimate grievances.
They are deeply religious. And work hard. And they don't understand why things are going so badly. And they are looking for answers.


YouTube- Glenn Beck Opens "Restoring Honor" Rally; Declares "America Today Begins to Turn Back to God" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-kHUWNTQ04)

[south ov da border]

Actually, a lot of people in this audience have legitimate grievances.
They are deeply religious. And work hard. And they don't understand why things are going so badly. And they are looking for answers.


YouTube- Glenn Beck Opens "Restoring Honor" Rally; Declares "America Today Begins to Turn Back to God" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-kHUWNTQ04)

you're right about that...

[JelenaCD]

the guy has no talent , just a loud mouth

[Nicole Dupre]

I can't remember if I saw this clip in here or not, but just for perspective...

YouTube- Black on Beck - does Glenn Beck have Nazi Tourettes? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6FNFcf0w8)
That was a skit waiting to happen. I watch Beck for a few minutes a week, just to remind myself of how warped Fox News really is, and the Nazi references are non-stop.

[giovanni_hotel]

From the Huff Post:


I keep asking myself, what is the "restoring honor" thing? What does it mean in Glenn Beck dog-whistle speak? What does it take to lose one's "honor"? The language of honor is from another time and means quite different things for a man or a woman. It's not that America has failed on the battlefield, or run from an enemy. America, the America Glenn Beck wants to save, is Lady Liberty, a fallen woman. For shame. It is not car company bailouts that have cost her her honor, no, we know, we all know... she gave herself, shamefully, willingly... to you know who.

It is time to restore America's honor.

[giovanni_hotel]

From the Huff Post:

Dr. Laurence Britt studied regimes in Germany, Italy, Indonesia, Spain and Chile and discovered that they all shared 14 characteristics:

. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause.
4. Supremacy of the Military.
5. Unapologetic Sexism.
6. Controlled Media Message or Outlets.
7. Obsession with National Security.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined or Indestinguishable.
9. Corporate Power is Protected.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed or Eliminated.
11. Disdain for Education, Intellectuals and the Arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Blatant Corruption.
14. Fraudulent or Suspicious Elections.

How many of these fit the current GOP/Tea Party rhetoric?

[PomonaCA]

From the Huff Post:

Dr. Laurence Britt studied regimes in Germany, Italy, Indonesia, Spain and Chile and discovered that they all shared 14 characteristics:

. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause.
4. Supremacy of the Military.
5. Unapologetic Sexism.
6. Controlled Media Message or Outlets.
7. Obsession with National Security.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined or Indestinguishable.
9. Corporate Power is Protected.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed or Eliminated.
11. Disdain for Education, Intellectuals and the Arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Blatant Corruption.
14. Fraudulent or Suspicious Elections.

How many of these fit the current GOP/Tea Party rhetoric?


Oh, oh! I know the answer! I think I definitely fit #1, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 12. I'm all about honesty and make no bones about any of my admitted characteristics. In fact, I'm proud of them. But I have to say that #13 seems to be a union worker/ACORN/government employee thing. I mean, these people have a monopoly on corruption and cronyism.

[giovanni_hotel]

Union workers/ACORN/government employee corruption is small peanuts compared to the insider dealing and corruption on Wall Street that rigged a bailout from the Feds after the top investment banks tanked the global economy by selling worthless stock derivatives based on bogus real estate mortgages they knew would default.

[noble1337]

i fuckin hate glen beck.
also, i saw some clips from the gathering, and i wondered...

-how many are minorities?
-how many are homosexual?
-how many arent christian or catholic?

fuck, i cant think about fox news people without gettin pissed. its so popular too.
im deffinitly not left or right, but yea....i find myself agreeing with the democrats a lot more aha

[PomonaCA]

Union workers/ACORN/government employee corruption is small peanuts compared to the insider dealing and corruption on Wall Street that rigged a bailout from the Feds after the top investment banks tanked the global economy by selling worthless stock derivatives based on bogus real estate mortgages they knew would default.


So what your arguing is that government corruption is OK? Why? Because of Wall Street corruption? This is what you're arguing, is it not?

[south ov da border]

to me government has become about power and noot about people. Everyone has their opinions. I don't mind Beck but I do see him scaring lot of people ...

[Nicole Dupre]

also, i saw some clips from the gathering, and i wondered...

-how many are minorities?
-how many are homosexual?
-how many arent christian or catholic?

Few, none, and most.


i fuckin hate glen beck.
...

fuck, i cant think about fox news people without gettin pissed. its so popular too....
Personally, I can't be bothered with hating. I don't hate anyone. That's their gig. Not mine.

I just wish stupid and insecure people would fuck less.

[giovanni_hotel]

It's one thing if some punk steals my wallet. Bad.

It's another when a multi-trillion dollar theft perpetrated by the finance industry put the global economy on the brink of collapse and a worldwide depression.

(Much, much) Worse.

It's all about degrees, my friend.

If you find yourself in a brawl, take out the biggest, baddest dude first. The others will cower in fear.

Is ACORN really the problem?? Or labor unions??

Or the uber rich on Wall Street who OWN the federal government???

Think about it.

[south ov da border]

Few, none, and most.


Personally, I can't be bothered with hating. I don't hate anyone. That's their gig. Not mine.

I just wish stupid and insecure people would fuck less.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[PomonaCA]

It's one thing if some punk steals my wallet. Bad.

It's another when a multi-trillion dollar theft perpetrated by the finance industry put the global economy on the brink of collapse and a worldwide depression.

(Much, much) Worse.

It's all about degrees, my friend.

If you find yourself in a brawl, take out the biggest, baddest dude first. The others will cower in fear.

Is ACORN really the problem?? Or labor unions??

Or the uber rich on Wall Street who OWN the federal government???

Think about it.

I wonder who was blaming the uber-rich when John Q Public was buying homes with stated-income loans. And usually the income stated was 3 to 4 times the borrowers actual income. It's a two-way street, my friend. The borrowing public was just as guilty as the lending public.

And if you're willing to overlook government corruption (blagovich, acorn etc) in favor of political finger pointing, that's your deal and it's probably that same battered-liberal syndrome that enables your type to vote for your corrupt democrat political machine.

[giovanni_hotel]

No successful banker gives poor people loans to buy half million dollar houses, unless he's working an angle. The banks were willing to make NINJA loans, ( no job, no income), because those outstanding loans could be chopped up and sold in derivative securities to unknowing investors.

Corruption on any level is bad, but too many folks don't want to confront the financial raping of the country that's taking place in the board rooms of the top Wall Street investment firms.

Did Blago take money out of your pocket?? Did ACORN??
Focus on the big picture buddy.

Politicians are prone to corruption, of all political stripe, however, WE are the government. Accountability begins with the electorate.

If the system is failing, the failure is with US, not the institutions. The alternative to no federal government is tribalism and anarchy.

You're maybe the first person I've met who thinks the Wall Street ponzi scheme built upon the phony home mortgage loan bubble fed by the investment banks was okay, because gosh, they're wealthy.

Don't be a sheeple, mah dude.

[NYBURBS]

No successful banker gives poor people loans to buy half million dollar houses, unless he's working an angle. The banks were willing to make NINJA loans, ( no job, no income), because those outstanding loans could be chopped up and sold in derivative securities to unknowing investors.

Corruption on any level is bad, but too many folks don't want to confront the financial raping of the country that's taking place in the board rooms of the top Wall Street investment firms.

Did Blago take money out of your pocket?? Did ACORN??
Focus on the big picture buddy.

Politicians are prone to corruption, of all political stripe, however, WE are the government. Accountability begins with the electorate.

If the system is failing, the failure is with US, not the institutions. The alternative to no federal government is tribalism and anarchy.

You're maybe the first person I've met who thinks the Wall Street ponzi scheme built upon the phony home mortgage loan bubble fed by the investment banks was okay, because gosh, they're wealthy.

Don't be a sheeple, mah dude.

You do realize there is a middle ground between no federal government and what we have today, right?

Acorn is just one example of tax payer funded activity gone awry. There is an issue when people are forced to give over their hard earned money so that a congressman can fund his pet project, gain political capital with it, or simply fund a wayward "community organization."

However, the banks are also an issue, but why do you think they have as much power as they do? There was a push early on in this country by some (cough... Hamilton...cough) to have an increasingly strong central government and a powerful central banking system. That ideology won out, and what you see happening now is the product of it.

In general, local government is more responsive to the electorate. There are benefits to a federal government, but it long ago grew past what it should be. The feds now exert a great deal of control over your daily life, but they are the farthest removed from you, and the most difficult to alter. I'll leave you with this thought... When the nation was founded there was 1 congressional representative for approx every 30,000 people. Now, there is 1 congressional representative for approx every 3/4 of a million ppl, yet they decide a great deal more about your day to day life.

[yodajazz]

I'm i missing something here so this glen beck guy is just a news anchor? Please tell me he is more then that because it really isn't necessary to get worked up over a damn news anchor.
'News' anchors and others who offer opinions under the guise of new are very important, in the sceme of things these days. They conservative media in particular is engaging is systymatic brainwashing, by loading negative meanings into terms like "liberal", with unrelated terms like 'pedophile', and a very long list of negative terms. After a while the person hearing it, reasoning is suspended, when they hear such terms.

For example, didn't someone in this thread say that, Obama hates white people? Not only is that an utter lie, it makes no sense. How can people be made to believe something comepletely illogical? A key part of that process is the filtering of information, though people like Beck.

[giovanni_hotel]

You do realize there is a middle ground between no federal government and what we have today, right?

Acorn is just one example of tax payer funded activity gone awry. There is an issue when people are forced to give over their hard earned money so that a congressman can fund his pet project, gain political capital with it, or simply fund a wayward "community organization."

However, the banks are also an issue, but why do you think they have as much power as they do? There was a push early on in this country by some (cough... Hamilton...cough) to have an increasingly strong central government and a powerful central banking system. That ideology won out, and what you see happening now is the product of it.

In general, local government is more responsive to the electorate. There are benefits to a federal government, but it long ago grew past what it should be. The feds now exert a great deal of control over your daily life, but they are the farthest removed from you, and the most difficult to alter. I'll leave you with this thought... When the nation was founded there was 1 congressional representative for approx every 30,000 people. Now, there is 1 congressional representative for approx every 3/4 of a million ppl, yet they decide a great deal more about your day to day life.

Agree, ironically, with most of this, except that the federal government had no role in the founding of investment banks like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, (now defunct) Lehman Bros, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Bear Stearns.
These banks are NOT a part of the Federal Banking system.

Cash is the lifeblood of American politics, and these banks are the essential valves in the heart of American power that keeps that blood pumping.

Ever think it was oddly convenient how Goldman Sachs had so many well placed former employees/execs in the Bush AND Obama administration??

To protect their interests.

About the ratio of Congressional reps/voters, you have to assume that ratio was going to increase. In a democratic republic, you elect representatives to defend your communities' interests in Washington, DC.

Do you really want to increase the size of Congress 10x???

[steve7724]

Im not in denial REALLY
I have never had a dick in my hand mouth or ass can you say the same?
Geez Huey, give it a break...the newspaper heiress was released from mind-control captivity almost 40 years ago and the Panthers have turned into kittens. They have developed more creative methods of challenge other than your 1960's beat-downs and threats of violence.
Your continued rantings do little more than alienate those who most need adjustment.

[steve7724]

lol, but yet you post on this forum. Spare me the bullshit :screwy
SB does indeed appear to be a raging Hypo.

[steve7724]

Damn you are in denial or you never watched Becks show. He tells the truth based on quotes from Obama and his radical friends he surrounds himself with. Obama does hate whites in my opinion. Why deny it. Stop defending him! And stop threatening white people, fucking computer tough guy! Big bad high school dropout!
Wow Mr. Rockwell,
I'd much rather have SB as my neighbor than some unread goof like you.
A swastika tatt on your neck doesn't make YOU a tough guy.

[Ben]

Published on Saturday, August 28, 2010 by Informed Comment (http://www.juancole.com/2010/08/glenn-becks-i-have-a-dream-speech.html) Glenn Beck’s ‘I Have a Dream Speech’

by Juan Cole

This is the ‘I have a Dream Speech’ that Glenn Beck would give at the Lincoln Memorial if he were being completely honest.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from tax increases or increased regulation of your speculative financial instruments. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of government takeover and staggered by the winds of police laxness toward Mexicans and minority crime. You have been the veterans of creative suffering, under our current strange mixture of fascism, communism and Islam (Islamo-commie-fascism as I call it). Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering cannot be cured by a government take-over of health care.
Go back to the Hamptons, go back to Grosse Point, go back to Alaska, go back to Utah, go back to Idaho, go back to the suburbs and exurbs of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation of having an African-American president can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that some men are only worth 3/5s of others.”
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down and recognize that our president doesn’t like white guys.
I have a dream that one day even the borough of Manhattan, a borough sweltering with the heat of socialism, sweltering with the heat of Islamic fascism, will be transformed into a mosque-free oasis of freedom for people just like me.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their gold portfolios.
I have a dream today. . .
satire
© 2010 Juan Cole
Juan Cole teaches Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan. His most recent book Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1403964319?tag=commondreams-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=1403964319&adid=1VRF6178NQCC1QGY55QJ&) (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2007) has just been published. He has appeared widely on television, radio and on op-ed pages as a commentator on Middle East affairs, and has a regular column at Salon.com. He has written, edited, or translated 14 books and has authored 60 journal articles. His weblog on the contemporary Middle East is Informed Comment (http://www.juancole.com/).

[NYBURBS]

Agree, ironically, with most of this, except that the federal government had no role in the founding of investment banks like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, (now defunct) Lehman Bros, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Bear Stearns.
These banks are NOT a part of the Federal Banking system.

Cash is the lifeblood of American politics, and these banks are the essential valves in the heart of American power that keeps that blood pumping.

Ever think it was oddly convenient how Goldman Sachs had so many well placed former employees/execs in the Bush AND Obama administration??

To protect their interests.

About the ratio of Congressional reps/voters, you have to assume that ratio was going to increase. In a democratic republic, you elect representatives to defend your communities' interests in Washington, DC.

Do you really want to increase the size of Congress 10x???

I know they are not one of the federal reserve banks, but the entire system is interconnected. I'm not advocating doing away with banks in general, but I'd like to get them out of bed with the government.

As for the representation, the ratio still needs to shrink, and there is actually a case about this that was just appealed to the Supreme Court. I doubt they will take it up because they will likely consider it a "political question," but nevertheless it is a valid issue. The first proposed amendment to the Constitution actually addressed the issue of increasing the size of the house (though there was a cap in it). All things being equal, I'd take too large a House over to small a one.

Oh and when a congressmen represents multiple counties (or even an entire State), then how exactly are they representing the interests of your particular community? I know in NY, the interests of Manhattan differ from those of Nassau or Westchester, never mind the rural upstate communities.

[hippifried]

In general, local government is more responsive to the electorate. There are benefits to a federal government, but it long ago grew past what it should be. The feds now exert a great deal of control over your daily life, but they are the farthest removed from you, and the most difficult to alter. I'll leave you with this thought... When the nation was founded there was 1 congressional representative for approx every 30,000 people. Now, there is 1 congressional representative for approx every 3/4 of a million ppl, yet they decide a great deal more about your day to day life.
Huh? & just what control does the Federal Government exert over people's daily lives? I hear this constant whine, but I can't find any evidence that it's true. They regulate interstate & international commerce, but day to day life?

Let's see the list.

[Solitary Brother]

I wonder who was blaming the uber-rich when John Q Public was buying homes with stated-income loans. And usually the income stated was 3 to 4 times the borrowers actual income. It's a two-way street, my friend. The borrowing public was just as guilty as the lending public.

And if you're willing to overlook government corruption (blagovich, acorn etc) in favor of political finger pointing, that's your deal and it's probably that same battered-liberal syndrome that enables your type to vote for your corrupt democrat political machine.


As usual you guy go way off topic but.......
The problem wasnt people defaulting on their loans.
The problem was that the BANKS had repackaged these loans resold them and leveraged the fuck out of them.....THATS THE PROBLEM.
Thats why Europe is in this mess becasue they purchased these things not knowing the were junk.
The criminals on Wall Street have pulled everyone down with them.
Thats why Obama HAD to give that money to the banks because the debt had ballooned.
It was not just the value of all those homes that were in foreclosure.
The amount of these "toxic assests" is over 100 trillion dollars....it can NEVER be repaid.
There have been all kinds of schemes,swindles pulled off by wall street type and non wall street types alike....you all should do your research you would be SHOCKED at what has gone on.
I believe this recession is going to grow into a depresssion ....it already is....look at history.
When the crash happend in 29 thinks didnt immediately go into the shitter....by 31-32 things were really bad.
Also bad in those days the Federal Reserve Bank TIGHTENED CREDIT....just like what is happening now.
Think about that....it tightened credit during a depression......Obama gave ALL that money to the banks partially to loosen credit.....has that happen?
No.
Quite the opposite.
Hundreds of banks have failed.
Without lending and manufacturing your economy will contract and that is exactly what is happening I believe BY DESIGN.
You have to understand that even though SOME of the big boys are losing money if you compare the loses percentage wise they are being hurt far less than joe six pack.
All of those homes that the banks own wont be empty forever.....THIS IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE DONT GET.
I believe the price of homes will continue to call.....then they will go up and up and up.
This is all by design.....
You all dont see it right now BUT YOU WILL.
Your being swindled BIG TIME.
The sad part is you are the financers of your own demise.

[PomonaCA]

Huh? & just what control does the Federal Government exert over people's daily lives? I hear this constant whine, but I can't find any evidence that it's true. They regulate interstate & international commerce, but day to day life?

Let's see the list.


You can look at the high cost of taxes on the gasoline you use. If you live in California, buy yourself a six-pack of generic cola for 2 bucks, you'll find the california government raking in almost 2 dollars in fees/taxes for a 2 dollar pack of soda.

Recycling is important, no doubt. But it seems that whenever the government is involved the statists behave as if their behavior is holy. Expensively holy.

[PomonaCA]

As usual you guy go way off topic but.......
The problem wasnt people defaulting on their loans.
The problem was that the BANKS had repackaged these loans resold them and leveraged the fuck out of them.....THATS THE PROBLEM.


Whatt do you mean " as usual"? How many posts have I had here? 10? You jump to many conclusions. Don't be so emotional.

And what loans were the banks repackaging? LOL The ones on stated income? The loans with 500% loan to value?

There seems to be a certain entitlement/victim mentality in your language.

[Solitary Brother]

Whatt do you mean " as usual"? How many posts have I had here? 10? You jump to many conclusions. Don't be so emotional.

And what loans were the banks repackaging? LOL The ones on stated income? The loans with 500% loan to value?

There seems to be a certain entitlement/victim mentality in your language.


Do some research....you are ignorant as fuck you dont know what your talking about.
Stick to what your good at like sucking dicks.

[Nicole Dupre]

LMFAO!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-26-2010/i-have-a-scheme

[Solitary Brother]

LMFAO!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-26-2010/i-have-a-scheme

I saw that yesterday...John Stewart REALLY doesnt like Beck for some reason.

[Nicole Dupre]

"Beckapalooza", "Beckith Fair". lol

[PomonaCA]

Do some research....you are ignorant as fuck you dont know what your talking about.
Stick to what your good at like sucking dicks.

Oh noes! Some animal on the internet called me ignorant. My internet life is shattered.

[giovanni_hotel]

Oh noes! Some animal on the internet called me ignorant. My internet life is shattered.

Loans...as in, home mortgage loans.

Was it really that hard to understand Solitary Brother's point??
I guess so.

Solitary nailed it, IMO. Some of Barack's biggest backers in '08 were Wall Street money, and now that it appears he's not gonna play ball, they're going to insure he doesn't win a 2nd term by tightening lending indirectly through smaller commercial banks.

If banks don't lend, small companies can't expand, less manufacturing and fewer new jobs = one term POTUS.

[Solitary Brother]

Loans...as in, home mortgage loans.

Was it really that hard to understand Solitary Brother's point??
I guess so.

Solitary nailed it, IMO. Some of Barack's biggest backers in '08 were Wall Street money, and now that it appears he's not gonna play ball, they're going to insure he doesn't win a 2nd term by tightening lending indirectly through smaller commercial banks.

If banks don't lend, small companies can't expand, less manufacturing and fewer new jobs = one term POTUS.


No no no no no.
Your not getting it.
Barack Obama is doing EVERYTHING the bankers want.
That so called financial reform was totally watered down.
They are doing it not because they dont like Obama......they are doing it because THEY will benefit when these people default on their loans.
Its about money...they want more and more...its not about Obama at all.

[GrimFusion]

You have some of these racists who are REALLY taunting black people...do they want a fucking race war?
One of the main reasons I voted for Obama was because of these racist bastards dogging him and now Beck going after Dr King?
Some of ya'll dont know how violent black people can be but if you continue with the bullshit you are going to find out.

We dont need this bullshit.......especially now.

Well, if shit breaks out, I'll be on your side. Glen Beck is a fuckin' dumb ass douche bag. If you really think it makes sense to turn this into a race deal, don't think for a second that he's our mascot. I fuckin' hate that guy.

[PomonaCA]

No no no no no.
Your not getting it.
Barack Obama is doing EVERYTHING the bankers want.
That so called financial reform was totally watered down.
They are doing it not because they dont like Obama......they are doing it because THEY will benefit when these people default on their loans.
Its about money...they want more and more...its not about Obama at all.


Oh right. Banks wanted the bureaucratic nightmare of Obama's healthcare system. Right. Gotcha.

[NYBURBS]

Huh? & just what control does the Federal Government exert over people's daily lives? I hear this constant whine, but I can't find any evidence that it's true. They regulate interstate & international commerce, but day to day life?

Let's see the list.

Let's see, they have laws regulating:

drugs/intrastate & interstate manufacturing/labor/wages/standards/banks/commerce/interstate and intrastate roads/waterways/schools/food/cars/trains/planes/ships/parks/energy production/pensions/social security/mail/hospitals/patents/copyright/immigration/anything that receives federal money, and a ton of other things, but that list is off the top of my head.

I'm not even getting into the debate about what they are and aren't suppose to regulate under the Constitution, but my point that they have a direct and strong influence on day to day life is a valid one.

[Silcc69]

Oh right. Banks wanted the bureaucratic nightmare of Obama's healthcare system. Right. Gotcha.

16 posts in 2 years........

[Amsterdamage]

Oh right. Banks wanted the bureaucratic nightmare of Obama's healthcare system. Right. Gotcha.

no, the only beneficiary of your new health care bill are the insurance companies. and if they go up in business, so do the banks.

And i agree with SB on this one, this aint about Obama. Obama is a cool dude but unfortunately has no power, at all, he's a muppet. The CIA is all over his ass, he's nothing more than a marketing machine on a leash.

[JackBeLittle]

Fuck the history books! I'm white and for civil rights across the board. BIG FUCKING PERIOD! So don't lump me in with any group of racists or bigots of any kind. You're reading the wrong history books pal. I'm not saying things can't always get better, they can. But you are perpetuating racism from all angles with that type of bullshit comment.

"Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it."

WTF indeed.

[Kramer]

No no no no no.
Your not getting it.
Barack Obama is doing EVERYTHING the bankers want.
That so called financial reform was totally watered down.
They are doing it not because they dont like Obama......they are doing it because THEY will benefit when these people default on their loans.
Its about money...they want more and more...its not about Obama at all.


The damn "community reinvestment act" started this whole thing. Giving loans to people that have bad or no credit. Clinton forced the banks to make the loans. Everyone knows it, why dont you? Read it up before spewing you bullshit! Carter started it and Clinton made it worse. They knew these banks werent getting their money back, and forced them to do it anyway!!!

[Kramer]

Fuck the history books! I'm white and for civil rights across the board. BIG FUCKING PERIOD! So don't lump me in with any group of racists or bigots of any kind. You're reading the wrong history books pal. I'm not saying things can't always get better, they can. But you are perpetuating racism from all angles with that type of bullshit comment.

"Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it."

WTF indeed.

Its the liberal spin, buddy. Anyone that disagrees with them is racist or dumb. This cant possibly be new to you.

[sandymichelle]

a real f**king asshole

[HSGear]

nice guy, like him

[tsbrenda]

what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower
what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower
what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower

what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower





the damn "community reinvestment act" started this whole thing. Giving loans to people that have bad or no credit. Clinton forced the banks to make the loans. Everyone knows it, why dont you? Read it up before spewing you bullshit! Carter started it and clinton made it worse. They knew these banks werent getting their money back, and forced them to do it anyway!!!

[HSGear]

how is that "hope" thing working for ya?

[Solitary Brother]

Oh right. Banks wanted the bureaucratic nightmare of Obama's healthcare system. Right. Gotcha.

The elites want ANYTHING that will allow the masses to be more easily controlled.

[Kramer]

Elites? You mean liberal elites. The do as I say, not as I do liberals. Phony Marxist basterds

[Silcc69]

Elites? You mean liberal elites. The do as I say, not as I do liberals. Phony Marxist basterds

And the other conservative elite are any better. :Bowdown::Bowdown:

[yodajazz]

The damn "community reinvestment act" started this whole thing. Giving loans to people that have bad or no credit. Clinton forced the banks to make the loans. Everyone knows it, why dont you? Read it up before spewing you bullshit! Carter started it and Clinton made it worse. They knew these banks werent getting their money back, and forced them to do it anyway!!!

I think the whole "blame the Community Reinvestment Act" is conservative lie. Subprime mortgages, the amount of money being amde on fees, and the fact that risk was mitigated through credit default swaps were important factors. So the fact that some made huge amounts of money these loans failing, supposedly had nothing to do with the risks taken? Did the 'CRA' mandate that loan officers include the income of dead family members, as was done here in Ohio?

I think consevatives are playing fast and loose with the truth. Loan risks were hidden, packaged, sold, and betted against through credit default swaps. A lot of money was made in financial circles. This was not the fault or purpose of the community Reinvestment Act.

[PomonaCA]

The elites want ANYTHING that will allow the masses to be more easily controlled.


Right, and adding trillions in cost to the labor base is helpful in that endeavor, right?

Your point is that Obama is in the pocket of business?

[NYBURBS]

I think the whole "blame the Community Reinvestment Act" is conservative lie.

I think that Act had something to do with the disaster, but not everything. Really the gov't shouldn't tell a private company who to loan to, but they also shouldn't save that same company. Both actions are perverse imo.

[hippifried]

Let's see, they have laws regulating:

drugs/intrastate & interstate manufacturing/labor/wages/standards/banks/commerce/interstate and intrastate roads/waterways/schools/food/cars/trains/planes/ships/parks/energy production/pensions/social security/mail/hospitals/patents/copyright/immigration/anything that receives federal money, and a ton of other things, but that list is off the top of my head.

I'm not even getting into the debate about what they are and aren't suppose to regulate under the Constitution, but my point that they have a direct and strong influence on day to day life is a valid one.
Sorry spud, but you're going to have to go into that "ton of other things" to find something that actually shows that the feds control the day to day lives of the American people.

I'll give you the drugs thing. The banned substances anyway. But the rest of it? How does the regulation of interstate commerce control your day to day life? Almost your entire list is just about regulation of interstate or international commerce, & that was mentioned in the post that you just answered. That's what national governments are supposed to do, but you talk about it as if it's some kind of sinister malevolence. It doesn't affect you at all, unless you're trying to pull something you shouldn't. What? You want to go back to the "good old days" of serfdom & abject poverty? Do you really think the egoist Ayn Rand fairyland could or should ever exist in reality?

Here:
YouTube- REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0)

[giovanni_hotel]

The damn "community reinvestment act" started this whole thing. Giving loans to people that have bad or no credit. Clinton forced the banks to make the loans. Everyone knows it, why dont you? Read it up before spewing you bullshit! Carter started it and Clinton made it worse. They knew these banks werent getting their money back, and forced them to do it anyway!!!

Turn off the conservative TV and talk radio, genius.

Grow a brain cell....blaming the Community Reinvestment Act for the suprime mortgage crisis is like blaming gasoline refineries for car accidents.

He's a link, get the full story.
Then ask yourself why the biggest voices on the Right are LYING to you.

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[NYBURBS]

Sorry spud, but you're going to have to go into that "ton of other things" to find something that actually shows that the feds control the day to day lives of the American people.

I'll give you the drugs thing. The banned substances anyway. But the rest of it? How does the regulation of interstate commerce control your day to day life? Almost your entire list is just about regulation of interstate or international commerce, & that was mentioned in the post that you just answered. That's what national governments are supposed to do, but you talk about it as if it's some kind of sinister malevolence. It doesn't affect you at all, unless you're trying to pull something you shouldn't. What? You want to go back to the "good old days" of serfdom & abject poverty? Do you really think the egoist Ayn Rand fairyland could or should ever exist in reality?


Na, I'm afraid that bringing up Ayn Rand isn't going to cut it here. I was talking about how the level of representation in Congress has diminished, while the scope of their regulatory authority has increased. If you don't think that above list doesn't have much to do with your day to day life, then you need to get your head checked.

[Ben]

Glenn Beck is sooo hot... ha!ha!
Anyway, here's an interesting clip. Author and radio host Thom Hartmann talks about ol' Glenn and Sarah. (Thom Hartmann refers to them as opportunists. Which they are.)

YouTube- One nation under God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbfw780bKnU)

[Ben]

YouTube- Keith Olbermann And Alexander Zaitchik: "The Church Of Beck" - 07/15/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8Vsu4jPPA)

[Amsterdamage]

oh please..please dont tell me anyone in his or her right mind takes that shill thom hartmann seriously? not that u should take beck seriously either...just saying

[tsbrenda]

also over valuation of the assets caused people do be upside down in the mortgage

you owe more then your home is worth therefore you have NO! equity

minorities were targeted for variable interest loans and home values were inflated



what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower
what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower
what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower

what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower


what started it was giving adjustable interest loan were as your payment can double are get high or slightly lower

[Kramer]

also over valuation of the assets caused people do be upside down in the mortgage

you owe more then your home is worth therefore you have NO! equity

minorities were targeted for variable interest loans and home values were inflated


Minorities, the victim again, huh? You are really out of your mind! The damn loans were meant to get minorities in homes regardless if they could afford it or not!! Stop being so biased. Always the victim...................always the victim. Typical liberal!

[fred41]

I don't much care for Glen Beck...but can we please...pleaaasssssee...avoid quoting that insufferable, pompous big bag of wind Keith Olbermann...he's completely unlikable... I absolutely can't stand him.

[hippifried]

Na, I'm afraid that bringing up Ayn Rand isn't going to cut it here. I was talking about how the level of representation in Congress has diminished, while the scope of their regulatory authority has increased. If you don't think that above list doesn't have much to do with your day to day life, then you need to get your head checked.
It's called governance. We all know what happens when there isn't any. Almost all regulation of you as an individual comes at the state, county, & municiplal level. You're just paranoid. Hence your list.

The only reason I brought up Ayn Rand is because you brought up "rational self-interest". Egoism doesn't work in practice. It's a bogus ideology. Every bit as bogus as Marxism, Douglas' "social credit" system, or theocracy. You sound more & more like Alex Jones every day.

[Ben]

I don't much care for Glen Beck...but can we please...pleaaasssssee...avoid quoting that insufferable, pompous big bag of wind Keith Olbermann...he's completely unlikable... I absolutely can't stand him.

I was more concerned with Alexander Zaitchik... :) Who has written a book on Glenn Beck.

[Ben]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7GvNYAVyY
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7GvNYAVyY&feature=player_embedded#)

[Ben]

Published on Saturday, September 4, 2010 by The Progressive (http://www.progressive.org/wx090410.html) Glenn Beck and the Yearning for Fascism

by Matthew Rothschild

Glenn Beck’s got me worried again about fascism in America.
His so-called restoring honor rally last weekend assumed that somehow America has been dishonored, and that is a classic trope of fascists.
Nor was I comforted by all talk from Beck about “America today begins to turn back to God.”
Nor was I comforted by the full-throated and repeated chants of “USA, USA.”
Nor by Sarah Palin having the gall to claim “we feel the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King,” this just 10 days after she told Dr. Laura to “reload,” after the talk show host said the N word 11 times in five minutes.
As if the rally wasn’t enough, Beck continued on his crusade during the week. Check this comment out: Beck said, “There are a lot of universities that are as dangerous with the indoctrination of the children as terrorists are in Iran or North Korea.”
The irony is that Ahmadinejad has actually denounced the universities in Iran with similar disdain. One year into his first term, he asked scornfully “why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities." He and Beck see eye to eye on that one.
Beck made a fool of himself also when he said, later in the week, that a flock of geese that appeared in the sky “was God’s flyover,” taking the place of an Air Force flyover he was not able to arrange. All of Beck’s references to “divine providence” and doing the work of God reminded me of a quote from W. S. Merwin, our new poet laureate, who once wrote: “The president of lies quotes the voices of God.”
I’ve been taking seriously the warnings of Noam Chomsky http://www.progressive.org/rothschild0610.html, who says he senses “the dark clouds of fascism” gathering here at home. I also take seriously the writings of Chris Hedges, the former New York Times reporter and author of several great books, including “War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.” A couple years ago, Hedges wrote another book called “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America.”
And back in March, Hedges elaborated on the theme (http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/is_america_yearning_for_fascism_20100329/): “The language of violence always presages violence. When someone like Palin posts a map with cross hairs on the districts of Democrats, when she says “Don’t Retreat, Instead—RELOAD!” there are desperate people cleaning their weapons who listen. When Christian fascists stand in the pulpits of megachurches and denounce Barack Obama as the Antichrist, there are messianic believers who listen. . . .These movements are not yet full-blown fascist movements. They do not openly call for the extermination of ethnic or religious groups. They do not openly advocate violence. But, as I was told by Fritz Stern, a scholar of fascism who has written about the origins of Nazism, ‘In Germany there was a yearning for fascism before fascism was invented.’ It is the yearning that we now see, and it is dangerous. If we do not immediately reincorporate the unemployed and the poor back into the economy, giving them jobs and relief from crippling debt, then the nascent racism and violence that are leaping up around the edges of American society will become a full-blown conflagration. Left unchecked, the hatred for radical Islam will transform itself into a hatred for Muslims. The hatred for undocumented workers will become a hatred for Mexicans and Central Americans. The hatred for those not defined by this largely white movement as American patriots will become a hatred for African-Americans. The hatred for liberals will morph into a hatred for all democratic institutions, from universities to government agencies to the press.”
Hedges was prescient here, anticipating the anti-immigrant wave and the anti-Muslim wave—and even Beck’s swipe at the universities.
Hedges also talked about the urgent need to give people jobs lest more people succumb to the lure of fascism.
Another intellectual I greatly admire, Walden Bello, just echoed Hedges’s warning about the economic crisis feeding into fascism. In his article “Can You Say, Fascism? The Political Consequences of Stagnation (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/09/02-6),” Bellow writes: “The common failure of both market fundamentalists and technocratic Keynesians so far to address the fears of the unemployed, the about-to-be unemployed, and the vast numbers of economically insecure people will most likely produce social forces that would tackle their fears and problems head-on. A failure of the left to innovatively fill this space will inevitably spawn a reinvigorated right with fewer apprehensions about state intervention, one that could combine technocratic Keynesian initiatives with a populist but reactionary social and cultural program. There is a term for such a regime: fascist. . . . Fascism in the United States? It's not as far-fetched as you might think.”
Consider yourself forewarned.
© 2010 The Progressive
Matthew Rothschild is the editor of The Progressive (http://www.progressive.org/) magazine.

[Faldur]

Editor of "The Progressive Magazine".. great independent source.

[nightshift]

Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are down by law. lol


Hey, I think the Republican's just found their new ticket! :peanutbutter

[tslvrnyc]

Sorry spud, but you're going to have to go into that "ton of other things" to find something that actually shows that the feds control the day to day lives of the American people.

I'll give you the drugs thing. The banned substances anyway. But the rest of it? How does the regulation of interstate commerce control your day to day life? Almost your entire list is just about regulation of interstate or international commerce, & that was mentioned in the post that you just answered. That's what national governments are supposed to do, but you talk about it as if it's some kind of sinister malevolence. It doesn't affect you at all, unless you're trying to pull something you shouldn't. What? You want to go back to the "good old days" of serfdom & abject poverty? Do you really think the egoist Ayn Rand fairyland could or should ever exist in reality?

Here:
YouTube- REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0)


The Interstate Commerce Clause is the basis of most federal laws. It was a huge power-grab for the federal government and is the antithesis of the principles of those who established the US. I'm not one to blindly adhere to the ideas of the founding fathers, but I do believe strongly in states' rights. The original idea was that there were different states that had different cultures and different ideas on how to live.

[giovanni_hotel]

Editor of "The Progressive Magazine".. great independent source.

I don't care if it was written by Bozo the Clown, the historical analysis and the growing influence of the radical right wing IMO is spot on.

No one is putting words in the mouths of Beck/Palin and their ilk. The political climate we're currently witnessing in this country is unlike any most of us have ever seen.

Remember, guys like Beck and firebrands like 'Mama Grizzly' were banished to the fringes by moderate Conservatives just a few years ago.

Now they're being embraced as the leaders of a 'new' Conservative movement.

When nearly half of all Americans believe Obama either is a Muslim or say they 'don't know', those are ominous signs for the future of this country.

I'm beginning to think there were tens of millions of Americans who were literally dumbstruck when Obama won the general election in '08, almost like they didn't know he was a candidate for POTUS.

[PomonaCA]

I don't care if it was written by Bozo the Clown, the historical analysis and the growing influence of the radical right wing IMO is spot on.

No one is putting words in the mouths of Beck/Palin and their ilk. The political climate we're currently witnessing in this country is unlike any most of us have ever seen.

Remember, guys like Beck and firebrands like 'Mama Grizzly' were banished to the fringes by moderate Conservatives just a few years ago.

Now they're being embraced as the leaders of a 'new' Conservative movement.

When nearly half of all Americans believe Obama either is a Muslim or say they 'don't know', those are ominous signs for the future of this country.

I'm beginning to think there were tens of millions of Americans who were literally dumbstruck when Obama won the general election in '08, almost like they didn't know he was a candidate for POTUS.


Will someone call the waaambulance for this guy? Millions of people voted for obama and he won the election. Things aren't working out for him so what does the left do? Cry racism. So were Americans racist before or racist after electing him?

And as for conservatives embracing people like Palin, you can thank the teleprompter-in-chief for that. He's done such a poor job of managing the economic environment in this country that he's left himself ripe for a fall.

If you resent the popularity of guys like Beck you ought to start by resenting the chimp-in-chief who has neglected the unemployment numbers so callously.

[giovanni_hotel]

Most of the voter eligible population doesn't even vote, maybe in a good year we get 60% turnout for a presidential general election. So that leaves 40 % of voters, mostly White, roughly half conservative, who didn't bother in 2008.

BHO not once has ever used the word 'racism' as to why he's experiencing a 'perception' problem among most Americans. It's more than his race IMO, it's his exotic background, his 'foreigner' name, his demeanor, his 'newness'; the perfect storm of right-wing paranoia.

A Black president from Detroit named Joe Smith would not be facing the level of vitriole and scrutiny that Obama has.

And please, if you think any President could have turned around the unemployment numbers and juiced the economy in less than two years(!!), you're one of the right-wing sheeple who really aren't paying attention.

Pick whoever you want to see in the WH in 2013, the economy is still going to be flat and the unemployment numbers will still be hovering around 6-7%.

'Teleprompter-in-chief', is this really supposed to be an insult??

'Chimp in chief', yeah, you just showed your ass on that one, bro.

Forget the economy, the country really is not in a good place right now, when there are people who have major issues with the POTUS because he doesn't have the right 'paint job'.

[PomonaCA]

Most of the voter eligible population doesn't even vote, maybe in a good year we get 60% turnout for a presidential general election. So that leaves 40 % of voters, mostly White, roughly half conservative, who didn't bother in 2008.

BHO not once has ever used the word 'racism' as to why he's experiencing a 'perception' problem among most Americans. It's more than his race IMO, it's his exotic background, his 'foreigner' name, his demeanor, his 'newness'; the perfect storm of right-wing paranoia.

A Black president from Detroit named Joe Smith would not be facing the level of vitriole and scrutiny that Obama has.

And please, if you think any President could have turned around the unemployment numbers and juiced the economy in less than two years(!!), you're one of the right-wing sheeple who really aren't paying attention.

Pick whoever you want to see in the WH in 2013, the economy is still going to be flat and the unemployment numbers will still be hovering around 6-7%.

'Teleprompter-in-chief', is this really supposed to be an insult??

'Chimp in chief', yeah, you just showed your ass on that one, bro.

Forget the economy, the country really is not in a good place right now, when there are people who have major issues with the POTUS because he doesn't have the right 'paint job'.


Forget the economy? LOL The left is so out of touch with reality that I can't even laugh at what you boobs say anymore.

Forget the economy? LOL!!! You guys are out of touch.

[PomonaCA]

and as for you getting your feelings hurt over the chimp in chief comment. Isn't that what you called Bush for 8 years? Now it's your chimp.

[Kramer]

and as for you getting your feelings hurt over the chimp in chief comment. Isn't that what you called Bush for 8 years? Now it's your chimp.


LOL.......................you tell'em!!:dancing:

[giovanni_hotel]

I never did, but with BHO it's on a different level. Remember the 'curious george' tees that showed up in Georgia during the primaries with a pic of Obama on them?? It seems to me that some conservatives just LOVE to drop that invective on BHO, among others.

When white folks call a Black POTUS 'chimp-in-chief', I dunno, but it kind of sounds....RACIST.

Like, when an ex Black GF says to me, 'niggas ain't shit', it takes on a whole different vibe when a white chick does the same.

I hope you understand the difference;)

And don't worry, the U.S. economy will be 'fixed' at 2:53PM, a day after Labor Day.

Hope that makes you happy, dreamer.

[Kramer]

And don't worry, the U.S. economy will be 'fixed' at 2:53PM, a day after Labor Day.

What on earth does that mean?

[PomonaCA]

I never did, but with BHO it's on a different level. Remember the 'curious george' tees that showed up in Georgia during the primaries with a pic of Obama on them?? It seems to me that some conservatives just LOVE to drop that invective on BHO, among others.

When white folks call a Black POTUS 'chimp-in-chief', I dunno, but it kind of sounds....RACIST.

Like, when an ex Black GF says to me, 'niggas ain't shit', it takes on a whole different vibe when a white chick does the same.

I hope you understand the difference;)

And don't worry, the U.S. economy will be 'fixed' at 2:53PM, a day after Labor Day.

Hope that makes you happy, dreamer.


Niggas ain't shit? Niggas ain't shit! Oh man, I'm a bad guy. Going to hell for sure.

What is the liberal fetish with racism? It'd be so easy to troll you guys when it comes to race. You get your panties bunched up for any little thing. Like saying niggas ain't shit or calling Obama the chimp in chief.


Let me clue you in to a little secret us white people have. See, the truth is that there are millions of jobs out there. WELL PAYING jobs with good healthcare, But we just aren't taking them. Why you ask? Because we're all trying to troll Obama. We don't like Obama because he's black. That's the truth behind why unemployment is so high. Us whiteys won't work and we're doing it to make Obama look bad. We're doing it so we can keep the black people down, one president at a time.

Don't tell anyone I told you.

[giovanni_hotel]

And don't worry, the U.S. economy will be 'fixed' at 2:53PM, a day after Labor Day.

What on earth does that mean?

It means that if BHO had a magic gold, economy-fixer-upper wand given to him by Harry Potter himself, there still is no 'quick fix' for the economy.

Not in 2 years. Not in 4 years. Not in 10.

But you keep thinking that Obama 'broke' the economy and that more tax cuts and an extension of the Bush tax cuts to the wealthiest 2% is all that's needed to fix it.

Remember, 2:53PM, Tuesday.
Watch for the news alert on Faux News.

LOL.

[giovanni_hotel]

Niggas ain't shit? Niggas ain't shit! Oh man, I'm a bad guy. Going to hell for sure.

What is the liberal fetish with racism? It'd be so easy to troll you guys when it comes to race. You get your panties bunched up for any little thing. Like saying niggas ain't shit or calling Obama the chimp in chief.


Let me clue you in to a little secret us white people have. See, the truth is that there are millions of jobs out there. WELL PAYING jobs with good healthcare, But we just aren't taking them. Why you ask? Because we're all trying to troll Obama. We don't like Obama because he's black. That's the truth behind why unemployment is so high. Us whiteys won't work and we're doing it to make Obama look bad. We're doing it so we can keep the black people down, one president at a time.

Don't tell anyone I told you.

Kill whitey.

MUST K-I-L-L WHITEY!!:fu:

[trish]

Let me clue you in to a little secret us white people have. See, the truth is that there are millions of jobs out there. WELL PAYING jobs with good healthcare, But we just aren't taking them. Why you ask? Because we're all trying to troll Obama., he said with the sarcasm dripping from his incisors. LOL.

We all know people are looking for good jobs, and those who find them are not turning them down. But you do speak a half-truth. Boehner and friends have roadblocked all economic and legislative progress in the House exactly in order to "troll Obama" and Democrats more generally. What do you think all this filibustering is about?

[PomonaCA]

, he said with the sarcasm dripping from his incisors. LOL.

We all know people are looking for good jobs, and those who find them are not turning them down. But you do speak a half-truth. Boehner and friends have roadblocked all economic and legislative progress in the House exactly in order to "troll Obama" and Democrats more generally. What do you think all this filibustering is about?


You forgot to mention that we're doing it because hes black. Or more fittingly, because he's black and he's a victim. Don't forget to mention all the helpless victims of the dark race.

[trish]

Why would I mention any of that? The reverse racism card is the in-thing these days. Awe, you poor, poor victim.

[south ov da border]

Kill whitey.

MUST K-I-L-L WHITEY!!:fu:


YouTube- How Derrick came to America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEyqJy7sj_I)

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[dana295]

((i just read the frist page of this thread and had to post )) um yeah DR. Anita King spoke at that event and i think we need to come off the race stuff cause frankily we have a bigger battle to fight .............TRANSSEXUAL RIGHTS
or has the palmade gonna to your brain ? as far as anyone with an ybrains is concerned the race question has been answered to the best it can be until everyone desides it ain't even a question . which leaves the big question here are civil rights just for the bbc community and everyone else should be slave unto them ? if such is the case then i would dark or light your still wrong ad you'll never be right until you have a" come to jesus momment" involing our country which if it was as bad as the left would have us think we'd all be dead for crossdressing and twice as dead for being heritics to the system

[Ben]

According to Glenn Beck, well, Obama is a Marxist -- ha!ha!ha!
Anybody believe this drivel????

YouTube - OneNation march plans send Glenn Beck into a Red-baiting frenzy: Marxists are everywhere! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS_BWi5yVSA)

[Ben]

Here, well, Cliff Bowman will take you through Marxism:

YouTube - Marx's Theory of Economic Crisis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e8rt8RGjCM)

[Ben]

And Noam Chomsky explains democratic socialism:

YouTube - Anarchism 101 with Noam Chomsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G6kf7XM9Nk&feature=related)

[guyone]

Name one socialist nation that isn't an economic mess - including the United States. As long as you shell out stuff for nothing you will lose.

[thombergeron]

Name one socialist nation that isn't an economic mess - including the United States. As long as you shell out stuff for nothing you will lose.

Well, the People's Republic of China features the fastest growing economy on the planet, and last year the GDPs of the Lao People's Democratic Republic and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam grew at 6.4% and 5.3%, respectively.

Then you've got Cuba, which is perpetually a basket case, though (unlike the U.S. and nearly all of Europe), GDP growth was actually positive last year.

Beyond those four, there aren't really any constitutionally socialist countries left anymore.

[Ben]

Name one socialist nation that isn't an economic mess - including the United States. As long as you shell out stuff for nothing you will lose.

Is the U.S. really a socialist country? No. China? No. Um, Britain? No. Australia? No. Russia? No. Shall we continue? I'd describe the U.S. as state capitalist. The state [and not socialism; as there's a stark difference between the state and socialism] plays a big role in the country. We misuse the words state and socialism. We intermix them. The state, and not socialism, serve the preeminent institutions in our society. And these institutions, corporations, are private governments. And what we see in places like America is a state [not socialism] and corporate nexus or firm link. I mean, that isn't even capitalism. And it isn't socialism. As RON PAUL correctly observes: IT'S CORPORATISM. (Plus what is so evil or wrong about serving the interests of people?????????? That's DEMOCRACY.)
And the U.S. is just excellent and amazing and fantastic if you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffett or Christy Walton or the Koch brothers -- with a combined net worth of 40 billion bucks -- or Mikey Bloomberg or Phil Knight or Oprah or George Soros or Madonna or, well, shall we continue?
The problem, as I see it, is the collapse of the MIDDLE CLASS, short term investment, not promoting American industries, the dearth of investment in education, moronic free trade policies etc. etc. .... And the offshoring of jobs according to CONSERVATIVE economist Paul Craig Roberts.

[circ]

Don't worry, when you get your buzzwords like 'socialism' and 'communism' from Fox News, it's hard to understand what they really mean.

[yodajazz]

According to Glenn Beck, well, Obama is a Marxist -- ha!ha!ha!
Anybody believe this drivel????

YouTube - OneNation march plans send Glenn Beck into a Red-baiting frenzy: Marxists are everywhere! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS_BWi5yVSA)

Yes lots of people do. But its not about fact or truth, its about branding and mental conditioning, formerly called brainwashing. It's been pretty effective tatic over the years and the message has been consistant even if it's not true.

I spent time reading responses to Yahoo News articles. One woman said Obama was a dictator. How could someone even think that? Dont we have an election coming up? But I can tell when those people are using illogical arguments. Then they an effective counter argument against logic, truth, and facts. They say it not true, its the "liberal media", spreading lies. So if any facts are used against thier world views, they should not listen. It's scary to me. I remember when, information and knowledge was to be prized, not something to be afraid of.

[Ben]

Yes lots of people do. But its not about fact or truth, its about branding and mental conditioning, formerly called brainwashing. It's been pretty effective tatic over the years and the message has been consistant even if it's not true.

I spent time reading responses to Yahoo News articles. One woman said Obama was a dictator. How could someone even think that? Dont we have an election coming up? But I can tell when those people are using illogical arguments. Then they an effective counter argument against logic, truth, and facts. They say it not true, its the "liberal media", spreading lies. So if any facts are used against thier world views, they should not listen. It's scary to me. I remember when, information and knowledge was to be prized, not something to be afraid of.

The best way to control people is: fear. So, the Republicans are using fear. As do the Dems. That's how politics works. Sadly.
And very well I might add.
But people are afraid. People are angry. Legitimately so. They're looking for someone to blame. They want answers. And the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Beck are providing those answers. They say the problems are: the Liberal elite and the Liberal media.
Yep! The Liberal Media. Ya know, like Fox News. We know that Rupert Murdoch is a very left wing guy with a fervent belief in democracy and cherishes values like concern for others and has always critiqued deregulation, free trade -- LOL (but even paleoconservatives like Alex Jones decry free trade) and the lack of democracy... ha!ha!
In the YT clip below Noam Chomsky states, "It has long been understood that unless people are controlled they are going to challenge power."
And the people who watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh are being harmed by the policies supported and embraced by Murdoch, of course, and Beck and Limbaugh. They embrace/support policies that are harmful to the vast majority of the population. So, Beck has to say: It's them, the Marxists, the Liberals etc. And downplay -- completely -- their own role in policies that are harmful to the actual people who watch Fox. (Again, Murdoch is pursuing his own interests. He's a multi-billionaire. He's an extreme nationalist with an utterly firm commitment to the corporate state. He doesn't commiserate with the people who actually watch Fox News -- ha!ha!)
Paraphrasing Adam Smith: the architects of policy protect their own interests, no matter how grievous the effect on others. Merchants and manufacturers, in Smith's day, corporations today, are going to pursue their own interests no matter how painful the effects on others are.
Take Murdoch. He's going to pursue his own interests. It doesn't make a difference to him if millions of jobs are offshored. It doesn't. (Capitalism is investing money to make money. That's it. Again, there's no concern for American workers or the natural environment or anything other than pursuing short-term gain.)
But it's extremely rational. Murdoch is a: rational wealth maximizer. That's part of the intellectual culture. All of this is extremely rational. Frightening, but rational. It's rational within a very specific framework or ideology. The ideology of: increasing wealth -- no matter the cost.
And the system we have [albeit, again, very rational]: one dollar, one vote. We vote with our dollars. That's understood. But there are people who don't participate. Namely the unborn. Meaning: what planet are we leaving to future generations. But being rational, well, that's none of our concern. Again, rational but scary.

YouTube - The Myth of the Liberal Media: The Propaganda Model of News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic)

[Ben]

YouTube - Naomi Klein vs. Alan Greenspan on crony capitalism in the US (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09zvzzCOB2M)

YouTube - THE CORPORATION [4/23] Externalities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCGTD5Bn1m0)

[Deja Vu]

Him and the rest of the network basically are talking out of turn, and with the world as it is nowadays, people are ending up fired. Case in point with the Jew Hater.

[hippifried]

Him and the rest of the network basically are talking out of turn, and with the world as it is nowadays, people are ending up fired. Case in point with the Jew Hater.
Sanchez is a jerk, but big egos are a prerequisite to what he was doing. His mistake was allowing his attitudes to show. However, he really didn't say anything that isn't common knowlege. Jews really are disproportionately representedin both in entertainment media & financials. I can't speak for Europe, but as far as I know, the US is the only place where it's taboo to talk about it or even mention it in public. There's historical reasons, related to religious canons, for their involvement in usury. Entertainment too. Hell, when the NBA first started up, most of the players were Jews.

I don't begrudge any of it. It's all just a holdover from the ancient systems of birthright. Social segregation has created a convoluted caste system that forces segregated groups into collective processes for mutual benefit & protection. Through experience, Jew's have merely gotten very methodical about it. They've been at it for a long time. This dates back to Byzantium, or maybe even ancient Egypt. They've learned to collectively deal with their minority status. Other minorityies are trying, but most haven't quite figured out the propaganda balance. Has everybody noticed the Chinese-American phenomenon of outrageously high scores on college exams & whatot? It's the same thing. A collective focus of an oppressed & segregated minority. There's no genetic disposition for any of this stuff, despite all the attitudinal bullshit about being "superior". Irish gangs organized & became an overwhelming force in police recruitment & other public service occupations. Police throughout the northeast are still disproportionately Irish. In the Southwest, something like 70% of public service labor is hispanics, although they're only around 20% to 30% of the population. On & on... We're slowly moving toward meritocracy, but it's going to take a while to break down the segregated caste mindset.

[Ben]

YouTube - Take Glenn Beck Off Air! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL51ZBHakw8)

[beandip]

Black people have a lot invested in Obama because if he does bad(and he is) we all will be unfairly judged by that.

Hang tough there buddy. Impeachment hearings will start next July. His past is catching up with him.

[beandip]

Lt col Allen west has made much more cutting remarks about Obama than Palin has. And west has actually publically said he can't stand him and dislikes him......

Fukkin A !!!!!!

This cracka would vote for Allen West in a minute.

Nobama's a joke, always was, always will be.

[beandip]

I think that Palin started off with racism on her first national speech, when she referred to small town's being the "real America". This implies that others, particularly urban America, with its larger racial minorities, not being 'real' Americans. It subtle, but still has a racist undertones.

You ignant racist muthafukka. Are there no small towns in USA that are predominantly black?

Palin just ain't a city slickka........get over it.

[yodajazz]

Hang tough there buddy. Impeachment hearings will start next July. His past is catching up with him.
What are the grounds?

Fukkin A !!!!!!

This cracka would vote for Allen West in a minute.

Nobama's a joke, always was, always will be.
If Obama's a joke, then what's serious? Sarah Palin? I take Obama being called a joke, more serious than me being called an "ignant racist muthafukka". What this means to me that there is nothing a Black person can do to get get respect in the US. NOTHING! Like the people on Yahoo calling for the extermination of of Muslims, 1/5 of the world's population, life of other people has no meaning. A world with only White people. Yeah, right. Take America back. Only there will be less of it than the past.

[PomonaCA]

Sanchez is a jerk, but big egos are a prerequisite to what he was doing. His mistake was allowing his attitudes to show. However, he really didn't say anything that isn't common knowlege. Jews really are disproportionately representedin both in entertainment media & financials. I can't speak for Europe, but as far as I know, the US is the only place where it's taboo to talk about it or even mention it in public. There's historical reasons, related to religious canons, for their involvement in usury. Entertainment too. Hell, when the NBA first started up, most of the players were Jews.

I don't begrudge any of it. It's all just a holdover from the ancient systems of birthright. Social segregation has created a convoluted caste system that forces segregated groups into collective processes for mutual benefit & protection. Through experience, Jew's have merely gotten very methodical about it. They've been at it for a long time. This dates back to Byzantium, or maybe even ancient Egypt. They've learned to collectively deal with their minority status. Other minorityies are trying, but most haven't quite figured out the propaganda balance. Has everybody noticed the Chinese-American phenomenon of outrageously high scores on college exams & whatot? It's the same thing. A collective focus of an oppressed & segregated minority. There's no genetic disposition for any of this stuff, despite all the attitudinal bullshit about being "superior". Irish gangs organized & became an overwhelming force in police recruitment & other public service occupations. Police throughout the northeast are still disproportionately Irish. In the Southwest, something like 70% of public service labor is hispanics, although they're only around 20% to 30% of the population. On & on... We're slowly moving toward meritocracy, but it's going to take a while to break down the segregated caste mindset.

What a crapload of bullshit. What you're saying is that hard-working, intelligent people aren't hard-working, intelligent people but instead have gamed the "propaganda balance". Of all the intellectual bullshit nonsense you post on here, this one is the most laughable.

Anyone else notice that whenever a liberal talks about winners and losers he always frames it in the language of "Oppressed & segregated minorities"?

To liberals, there are rarely winners unless they are "oppressing and segregating" a loser. When are we going to get honest around here and be able to say that if any group of people, black, negro or sub-saharan african are unable to compete in civilizations worldwide, then that entire race should be allowed to die off and fall off the face of the globe? What's the point of coddling failure?

Oh yeah I forgot. To "level the playing field" lol

[hippifried]

You didn't pay attention to any of what was in my post. You're too busy making false assumptions based on other false assumptions, & trying to find a spin for whatever the hell crusade you're on.

This is the problem with most discussions that can be even remotely construed as political. Nobody pays attention because they just can't shut the fuck up long enough.

[yodajazz]

What a crapload of bullshit. What you're saying is that hard-working, intelligent people aren't hard-working, intelligent people but instead have gamed the "propaganda balance". Of all the intellectual bullshit nonsense you post on here, this one is the most laughable.

Anyone else notice that whenever a liberal talks about winners and losers he always frames it in the language of "Oppressed & segregated minorities"?

To liberals, there are rarely winners unless they are "oppressing and segregating" a loser. When are we going to get honest around here and be able to say that if any group of people, black, negro or sub-saharan african are unable to compete in civilizations worldwide, then that entire race should be allowed to die off and fall off the face of the globe? What's the point of coddling failure?

Oh yeah I forgot. To "level the playing field" lol
So this is what it comes to. Everyone for themselves, not help for anyone, so that the rich can keep every penny. This seems to be very different than the vision on which the US was founded. Also seems to have nothing to do with Christianity and other religious principles, of charity, and other principles. This also fails to take into account sound economic theory, that money circulates. Therefore the more healthy the general population is, the better it is for everyone, including the rich.

In a related matter, I agree with Hippifried's view of humanity. That people dont just succeed because they are hard working and intelligent. There a many other factors at work. Most companies which rely on general labor, make rules about who can get into middle management, based on criteria so that their children, can walk right into the positions with no experience, by using education as a more valuable criteria than experience. This may be anecdotal, but seems like every person I know, who has work experience, has had someone come in as their supervisor with less experience, and they have to assist them in teaching them their jobs while making less pay. Or they have been taken off some duty that requires greater skill, so that a less experienced (White) person can get that skill. As more Blacks are receiving Bachelors degrees, now they are saying people have to have masters degrees for certain position, even a person may have had years of work experience. The more well off, a family is, the better they can support their children through graduate school etc. Success a more than just intelligence and hard work.

[trish]

What's the point of coddling failure? If a particular domain of the playing field is rough, or steeply sloped, pitted or otherwise fails those who are trying to play on it, we should scrap the playing field...get out the dirt movers and level it flat. What's the point of coddling a field that a failure? The mark of human intelligence is the capacity to adapt the environment to themselves, not the other way around. The mark of a privileged idiot is to expect others to adapt and accept an unjust status quo.

[PomonaCA]

So this is what it comes to. Everyone for themselves, not help for anyone, so that the rich can keep every penny. This seems to be very different than the vision on which the US was founded. Also seems to have nothing to do with Christianity and other religious principles, of charity, and other principles. This also fails to take into account sound economic theory, that money circulates. Therefore the more healthy the general population is, the better it is for everyone, including the rich.

In a related matter, I agree with Hippifried's view of humanity. That people dont just succeed because they are hard working and intelligent. There a many other factors at work. Most companies which rely on general labor, make rules about who can get into middle management, based on criteria so that their children, can walk right into the positions with no experience, by using education as a more valuable criteria than experience. This may be anecdotal, but seems like every person I know, who has work experience, has had someone come in as their supervisor with less experience, and they have to assist them in teaching them their jobs while making less pay. Or they have been taken off some duty that requires greater skill, so that a less experienced (White) person can get that skill. As more Blacks are receiving Bachelors degrees, now they are saying people have to have masters degrees for certain position, even a person may have had years of work experience. The more well off, a family is, the better they can support their children through graduate school etc. Success a more than just intelligence and hard work.


You can't help but want to lash out at "the rich" can you? You have to blame someone for centuries of failure, so why not blame the successful. Why not blame the civilization builders, right? You poor oppressed people.

All in the name of humanity, right? LOL

Haven't you learned by now? Envy only leaves you in poverty.

[hippifried]

You can't help but want to lash out at "the rich" can you? You have to blame someone for centuries of failure, so why not blame the successful. Why not blame the civilization builders, right? You poor oppressed people.

All in the name of humanity, right? LOL

Haven't you learned by now? Envy only leaves you in poverty.
One point of conversations like this is to see if directions toward solutions for specific problems cn be found, or at least to define the problems in the first place. Another is to promote understanding of the differences in perspective in relation to varying issues.

Nobody who thinks is lashing out. The only reactionary comments are coming from you.

[gieric]

[QUOTE=Solitary Brother;784294]
Im looking in ALL the history books and trying to find where the white people of America were EVER for "civil rights" other than their own.
Im still trying to find it.[Quote]

Well there's part of your problem, most school history books a written with a particular view of history in mind. To go by my high school history books, women did everything from winning the trojan war to landing on the moon! Not to discount anyones contribution to history or to sanction Becks opinions or show, but there was a large group of the white populace that was in agrement with the civil rights movement. Look at pictures of meetings of MLK's insiders and the NAACP board and you'll more than likely see one or two white people and many more were involved in the actual actions and protests of the movement. In many cases where whites were involved in the movement and violence broke out, they were singled out. A good example would be the Freedom Riders (Freedom Rides - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Jimzwerg.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Jimzwerg.jpg/220px-Jimzwerg.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/d/da/Jimzwerg.jpg/220px-Jimzwerg.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Rides)), it's a wiki but as far as I can tell it's accurate.

I'm not trying to start anything, I just hate when people use generalities to defend issues. Not every white person was trying to keep the black man down. As the descendant of Scottish and Irish heritage I have a bit of understanding on the issue of my ancestors being oppressed and used for forced labor. And if anyone has an issue with that statement al I can say is, bring it.

I'm not in the country right now and don't have acces to fox news so I don't know what beck is doing, but why don't you wait to crucify him until after he's stuck his head up his ass. That way you'll heed a smaller tree.

[south ov da border]

Well we'll see where this goes...

[beandip]

If Obama's a joke, then what's serious? Sarah Palin? I take Obama being called a joke, more serious than me being called an "ignant racist muthafukka". What this means to me that there is nothing a Black person can do to get get respect in the US. NOTHING! Like the people on Yahoo calling for the extermination of of Muslims, 1/5 of the world's population, life of other people has no meaning. A world with only White people. Yeah, right. Take America back. Only there will be less of it than the past.

Obama is a joke. C'mon... a "Community organiser" WTF? The guys a light weight.

Search who Allen West is....that's a Black man I can support 100%

Obama is a leach-fuck and has been one his own life. All he knows how to do is stand in front of Government with his goddamned hands out asking for money. News flash. We're broke, ok?


At least SP stood up to big oil for the people who live in Alaska. Obama put his lip lock around BP' cock in the gulf disaster.

[beandip]

What are the grounds?

Ballz deep in corruption back in Chicago.

His past will come back to haunt him, mark my words...June the latest from what I hear...

[hippifried]

Ballz deep in corruption back in Chicago.

His past will come back to haunt him, mark my words...June the latest from what I hear...
Oh. About the same time as the fighting in the streets between the government union leach thugs & the banksters starts?

[Silcc69]

You can't help but want to lash out at "the rich" can you? You have to blame someone for centuries of failure, so why not blame the successful. Why not blame the civilization builders, right? You poor oppressed people.

All in the name of humanity, right? LOL

Haven't you learned by now? Envy only leaves you in poverty.

You do know that Bill Gates donated more funds to the democrats than republicans. And Warren Buffet only donated to the democrats. 2 of the richest people in the world so what exactly does that say about them?

[PomonaCA]

One point of conversations like this is to see if directions toward solutions for specific problems cn be found, or at least to define the problems in the first place. Another is to promote understanding of the differences in perspective in relation to varying issues.

Nobody who thinks is lashing out. The only reactionary comments are coming from you.

Says the guy who, when things don't go his way, starts calling other people "Punk" LOL

Oh yeah, that and you claiming to be "from the streets". LOL

You've had some pretty visceral responses for someone as 'intelligent' and calm as you.

[PomonaCA]

You do know that Bill Gates donated more funds to the democrats than republicans. And Warren Buffet only donated to the democrats. 2 of the richest people in the world so what exactly does that say about them?


I don't play guessing games so why don't you just say what you mean rather than play 20 questions.

[beandip]

I wouldn't get too chummy with Bill gates.


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Bill Gates talks about ‘vaccines to reduce population’
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
March 4, 2010
Microsoft founder and one of the world’s wealthiest men, Bill Gates, projects an image of a benign philanthropist using his billions via his (tax exempt) Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, to tackle diseases, solve food shortages in Africa and alleviate poverty. In a recent conference in California,Gates reveals a less public agenda of his philanthropy—population reduction, otherwise known as eugenics.
Gates made his remarks to the invitation-only Long Beach, California TED2010 Conference, in a speech titled, “Innovating to Zero!.” Along with the scientifically absurd proposition of reducing manmade CO2 emissions worldwide to zero by 2050, approximately four and a half minutes into the talk, Gates declares, "First we got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."1 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn1) (author’s emphasis).
In plain English, one of the most powerful men in the world states clearly that he expects vaccines to be used to reduce population growth. When Bill Gates speaks about vaccines, he speaks with authority. In January 2010 at the elite Davos World Economic Forum, Gates announced his foundation would give $10 billion (circa €7.5 billion) over the next decade to develop and deliver new vaccines to children in the developing world. 2 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn2)
The primary focus of his multi-billion dollar Gates Foundation is vaccinations, especially in Africa and other underdeveloped countries. Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a founding member of the GAVI Alliance (Global Alliance for Vaccinations and Immunization) in partnership with the World Bank, WHO and the vaccine industry. The goal of GAVI is to vaccinate every newborn child in the developing world.
Now that sounds like noble philanthropic work. The problem is that the vaccine industry has been repeatedly caught dumping dangerous—meaning unsafe because untested or proven harmful—vaccines onto unwitting Third World populations when they cannot get rid of the vaccines in the West. 3 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn3) Some organizations have suggested that the true aim of the vaccinations is to make people sicker and even more susceptible to disease and premature death.4 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn4)
Dumping toxins on the Third World
In the aftermath of the most recent unnecessary Pandemic declaration of a global H1N1 swine flu emergency, industrial countries were left sitting on hundreds of millions of doses of untested vaccines. They decided to get rid of the embarrassing leftover drugs by handing them over to the WHO which in turn plans to dump them for free on select poor countries. France has given 91 million of the 94 million doses the Sarkozy government bought from the pharma giants; Britain gave 55 million of its 60 million doses. The story for Germany and Norway is similar.5 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn5)
As Dr. Thomas Jefferson, an epidemiologist with the Cochrane Research Center in Rome noted, “Why do they give the vaccines to the developing countries at all? The pandemic has been called off in most parts of the world. The greatest threat in poor countries right now is heart and circulatory diseases while the virus figures at the bottom of the list. What is the medical reason for donating 180 million doses?” 6 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn6)As well, flu is a minor problem in countries with abundant sunshine, and it turned out that the feared H1N1 Pandemic “new great plague” was the mildest flu on record.
The pharmaceutical vaccine makers do not speak about the enormous health damage from infant vaccination including autism and numerous neuro-muscular deformities that have been traced back to the toxic adjuvants and preservatives used in most vaccines. Many vaccines, especially multi-dose vaccines that are made more cheaply for sale to the Third World, contain something called Thimerosal (Thiomersol in the EU), a compound (sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate), containing some 50% mercury, used as a preservative.
In July 1999 the US’ National Vaccine Information Center declared in a press release that, "The cumulative effects of ingesting mercury can cause brain damage." The same month, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) alerted the public about the possible health effects associated with thimerosal-containing vaccines. They strongly recommended that thimerosal be removed from vaccines as soon as possible. Under the directive of the FDA Modernization Act of 1997, the Food and Drug Administration also determined that infants who received several thimerosal-containing vaccines may be receiving mercury exposure over and above the recommended federal guidelines.7 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn7)
A new form of eugenics?
Gates’ interest in inducing population reduction among black and other minority populations is not new unfortunately. As I document in my book, Seeds of Destruction,8 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn8) since the 1920’s the Rockefeller Foundation had funded the eugenics research in Germany through the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institutes in Berlin and Munich, including well into the Third Reich. They praised the forced sterilization of people by Hirtler Germany, and the Nazi ideas on race “purity.” It was John D. Rockefeller III, a life-long advocate of eugenics, who used his “tax free” foundation money to initiate the population reduction neo-Malthusian movement through his private Population Council in New York beginning in the 1950’s.
The idea of using vaccines to covertly reduce births in the Third World is also not new. Bill Gates’ good friend, David Rockefeller and his Rockefeller Foundation were involved as early as 1972 in a major project together with WHO and others to perfect another “new vaccine.”
The results of the WHO-Rockefeller project were put into mass application on human guinea pigs in the early 1990's. The WHO oversaw massive vaccination campaigns against tetanus in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines. Comite Pro Vida de Mexico, a Roman Catholic lay organization, became suspicious of the motives behind the WHO program and decided to test numerous vials of the vaccine and found them to contain human Chorionic Gonadotrophin, or hCG. That was a curious component for a vaccine designed to protect people against lock-jaw arising from infection with rusty nail wounds or other contact with certain bacteria found in soil. The tetanus disease was indeed, also rather rare. It was also curious because hCG was a natural hormone needed to maintain a pregnancy. However, when combined with a tetanus toxoid carrier, it stimulated formation of antibodies against hCG, rendering a woman incapable of maintaining a pregnancy, a form of concealed abortion. Similar reports of vaccines laced with hCG hormones came from the Philippines and Nicaragua.9 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn9)
Gates’ ‘Gene Revolution in Africa’
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, along with David Rockefeller’s Rockefeller Foundation, the creators of the GMO biotechnology, are also financing a project called The Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA) headed by former UN chief, Kofi Annan. Accepting the role as AGRA head in June 2007 Annan expressed his “gratitude to the Rockefeller Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and all others who support our African campaign.” The AGRA board is dominated by people from both the Gates’ and Rockefeller foundations. 10 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn10)
Monsanto, DuPont, Dow, Syngenta and other major GMO agribusiness giants are reported at the heart of AGRA, using it as a back-door to spread their patented GMO seeds across Africa under the deceptive label, ‘bio-technology,’ a euphemism for genetically engineered patented seeds. The person from the Gates Foundation responsible for its work with AGRA is Dr. Robert Horsch, a 25-year Monsanto GMO veteran who was on the team that developed Monsanto’s RoundUp Ready GMO technologies. His job is reportedly to use Gates’ money to introduce GMO into Africa.11 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn11)
To date South Africa is the only African country permitting legal planting of GMO crops. In 2003 Burkina Faso authorized GMO trials. In 2005 Kofi Annan’s Ghana drafted bio-safety legislation and key officials expressed their intentions to pursue research into GMO crops. AGRA is being used to create networks of “agro-dealers” across Africa, at first with no mention of GMO seeds or herbicides, in order to have the infrastructure in place to massively introduce GMO.12 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn12)
GMO, glyphosate and population reduction
GMO crops have never been proven safe for human or animal consumption. Moreover, they are inherently genetically ‘unstable’ as they are an unnatural product of introducing a foreign bacteria such as Bacillus Thuringiensis (Bt) or other material into the DNA of a given seed to change its traits. Perhaps equally dangerous are the ‘paired’ chemical herbicides sold as a mandatory part of a GMO contract, such as Monsanto’s Roundup, the most widely used such herbicide in the world. It contains highly toxic glyphosate compounds that have been independently tested and proven to exist in toxic concentrations in GMO applications far above that safe for humans or animals. Tests show that tiny amounts of glyphosate compounds would do damage to a human umbilical, embryonic and placental cells in a pregnant woman drinking the ground water near a GMO field.13 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn13)
One long-standing project of the US Government has been to perfect a genetically-modified variety of corn, the diet staple in Mexico and many other Latin American countries. The corn has been field tested in tests financed by the US Department of Agriculture along with a small California bio-tech company named Epicyte. Announcing his success at a 2001 press conference, the president of Epicyte, Mitch Hein, pointing to his GMO corn plants, announced, “We have a hothouse filled with corn plants that make anti-sperm antibodies.” 14 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn14)
Hein explained that they had taken antibodies from women with a rare condition known as immune infertility, isolated the genes that regulated the manufacture of those infertility antibodies, and, using genetic engineering techniques, had inserted the genes into ordinary corn seeds used to produce corn plants. In this manner, in reality they produced a concealed contraceptive embedded in corn meant for human consumption. “Essentially, the antibodies are attracted to surface receptors on the sperm,” said Hein. “They latch on and make each sperm so heavy it cannot move forward. It just shakes about as if it was doing the lambada.” 15 (http://www.financialsensearchive.com/editorials/engdahl/2010/0304.html#_edn15) Hein claimed it was a possible solution to world “over-population.” The moral and ethical issues of feeding it to humans in Third World poor countries without their knowing it countries he left out of his remarks.
Spermicides hidden in GMO corn provided to starving Third World populations through the generosity of the Gates’ foundation, Rockefeller Foundation and Kofi Annan’s AGRA or vaccines that contain undisclosed sterilization agents are just two documented cases of using vaccines or GMO seeds to “reduce population.”






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[south ov da border]

the eugenics idea has been around for a while. Sickening...

[south ov da border]

and then there was this gem about Nazi's and America

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1
...

[trish]

Nations with a thriving middle class, and a well maintained public health system (public sanitation, publicly available clean water, publicly maintained drainage and sewer systems as well as accessible health-care, accessible vaccines for childhood diseases, birth control etc.) generally have stable populations. Nations without these benefits will suffer higher infant mortality rates and woman will be under pressure to have more infants. Even though mortality rates are high, birth rates are often higher. When that happens the population will exponentially outstrip the underdeveloped capacity of the region to support and sustain the growing population. The population may crash, or the introduction of modern medicines may just keep it uncomfortably high.

So yes, vaccines (along with other improvements in public health and sanitation) can help reduce population...but I wouldn't call the humane introduction of vaccines into underdeveloped nations eugenics.

[hippifried]

I wouldn't call the humane introduction of vaccines into underdeveloped nations eugenics.
Butt butt butt butt... It's on the internet. It must be true.

[PomonaCA]

Nations with a thriving middle class, and a well maintained public health system (public sanitation, publicly available clean water, publicly maintained drainage and sewer systems as well as accessible health-care, accessible vaccines for childhood diseases, birth control etc.) generally have stable populations.


More liberal intellectual bullshit.

Be careful whenever a liberal says "stable populations". It usually means abundant abortions, many lives wasted in "alternative lifestyles" and the morning after pill.

A hallmark of the liberal thought disorder is that HUMAN LIFE is bad, if deemed excessive.

And who deems birth excessive? You got it, their science.

[hippifried]

More liberal intellectual bullshit.

See? Intellect is the enemy. How do you argue with the irrational?

[PomonaCA]

See? Intellect is the enemy. How do you argue with the irrational?

Another exaggeration of the truth.

Intellect the enemy? I disagree. Intellect is not the enemy.

Intellect as a God.


That's what separates Liberals from almost everyone else.

[trish]

And who deems birth excessive? Gee, I don't know, maybe each married couple should have the freedom to decide and the means to determine how many pregnancies they want to go through and how many children they want to have.

[hippifried]

Another exaggeration of the truth.

Intellect the enemy? I disagree. Intellect is not the enemy.

Intellect as a God.


That's what separates Liberals from almost everyone else.
Oh that's right, I forgot.

You're fed your talking points by mind readers & fairy tales are trump.

[PomonaCA]

Oh that's right, I forgot.

You're fed your talking points by mind readers & fairy tales are trump.


You can't attack my point so you attack me.

[hippifried]

What point? That you claim to have some inside knowlege of how people think who don't think like you? Got some kind of divine inspiration for that or do you just bear false witness for the hell of it?

[Niccolo]

Doesnt this fucker have better thing to do with his life other than spreading hate?- SB.

Im sick of these racist fuckers..... - SB.

Hypocrite. Racist. Idiot.

[Ben]

YouTube - Leaked Video: Glenn Beck uses Vicks to Cry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--31c1d72s)

[trish]

Forget what you have just seen. These are not the liars you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.

(FOX mind tricks work only on the unwary and weak willed. )

[Ben]

Fox News chief enforced climate change scepticism – leaked email
Email obtained by Media Matters reveals reporters were under orders to cast doubt on any mention of climate change

Suzanne Goldenberg
guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/), Wednesday 15 December 2010




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According to an email obtained by Media Matters, Bill Sammon ordered Fox News staff to cast doubt on climate change.
Journalists at Fox News (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/fox-news) were under orders to cast doubt on any on-air mention of climate change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-change), a leaked email obtained by a media monitoring group revealed today.
According to the email, obtained by Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012150004), Fox (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/fox) News's Washington bureau chief, Bill Sammon, imposed an order to make time for climate sceptics within 15 minutes of the airing of a story about a scientific report showing that 2000-2009 was on track to be the hottest decade on record.
Media Matters said the bureau chief's response to the report exhibited a pattern of bias by Fox News in its coverage of climate change.
It also noted the timing of the directive. The email went out on 8 December last year, when the leaders of nearly 200 countries met in Copenhagen to try to reach a deal on climate change.
The email reads: "We should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question."
It goes on to say: "It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies."
Media Matters, which earlier this week released an email from Sammon to staff on framing coverage of the health care debate, said the directive on climate change reporting exposed the network's bias.
In addition to the email, it said Fox had tried to delegitimise the work of climate scientists in its coverage of the hacked emails from the University of East Anglia. The network had displayed a pattern of trying to skew coverage in favour of the fringe minority which doubts the existence of climate change, Media Matters said.

[trish]

Fox simply thinks one should...

[Silcc69]

The Saudi Prince, The Mosque And Fox News


September 1, 2010
The proposed construction of an Islamic center and mosque close to ground zero in New York City has inspired intense scrutiny from news outlets this month — and few have outstripped the Fox News Channel in their interest.
That's especially true on Fox's opinion-driven shows in the morning and evening hours. Familiar figures including Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham have repeatedly asked where the money for the center will come from.
Yet the parent company of Fox News shares a financial backer with the imam who is at the center of the firestorm. The second-largest holder of voting stock in News Corp (http://npr.wikinvest.com/wikinvest/export/v3/?frame=NPRTearsheet&action=getFrame&search=NYSE:NWS). is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a nephew of the Saudi king. And through his philanthropies, Waleed has given generously to initiatives pursued by the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf.
But that connection has not been spelled out by Fox to viewers. Fox's intense coverage of the Islamic center, combined with its lack of disclosure about the corporate connection to Waleed, has sparked scorn from some media critics and from liberals — including, repeatedly, from satirist Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap).
Former ABC News correspondent Robert Zelnick, who covered the Middle East, praised Fox News' straight reporters for their stories on what he said was a legitimate issue. But he said disclosure might have been warranted.
"I think in a circumstance where an apparent — or at least arguably apparent — conflict of interest is present, the better part of valor is to simply broadcast information about the person in question," Zelnick says.
On the morning show Fox & Friends, Fox News analyst Dan Senor referred to Waleed as "the guy who tried to give Rudy Giuliani $10 million after 9/11 that was sent back" and said "he funds radical madrassas all over the world (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4318063/ground-zero-mosque-like-jcc/?playlist_id=161044)."
Senor did not refer to Waleed by name, and his characterization was true as far as it went, though some Muslims would take exception to that characterization of the madrassas. But other people characterize Waleed more generously. Among those others is Rupert Murdoch, the controlling owner of Fox News' parent company, News Corp.
In a 2005 documentary about the prince, Murdoch called Waleed "very shrewd, very analytical, yet at the same time prepared to gamble — and to go against sort of the prevailing thoughts about markets."
Murdoch added, "He's very original in his thinking."
The prince had long been Murdoch's business partner in News Corp. — but that year he arranged a share swap in which he obtained more than 30 million voting shares.
Al-Jazeera anchor Riz Khan, formerly of the BBC and CNN International, wrote that documentary and a companion biography (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Alwaleed-Riz-Khan/?isbn=9780060850302) about Waleed. Khan tells NPR that despite the criticism from Senor, Waleed is friendly to Western interests and to Murdoch's.
"Rupert Murdoch said, 'Well, the thing about the prince is, he's there for you,' " Khan recalls. " ‘When you need the help, he is there. He will try and do his best to make things work.' "
Indeed, according to the latest filings with the SEC, Waleed now holds 7 percent of the voting stock in News Corp., more than any other person not named Rupert Murdoch, and he has repeatedly voted to support Murdoch's priorities. And News Corp. has invested in Waleed's own Middle Eastern media venture, called the Rotana Media group. Khan described sitting by the billionaire prince and the media baron as they strategized about billion-dollar deals and exchanged tips about fuel efficiency on their respective jets.
Khan says he asked Waleed about anger in some Arab circles about the rhetoric heard on Fox, and the prince replied this way:
"Look, I'm not there to direct the news policy, I'm there to invest in News Corp. — and hopefully they've got some sense to do news properly."
Officials at News Corp. and Fox News declined to comment for this story, while officials at the Kingdom Foundation, the prince's charity, did not reply to a request for comment.
Investigative reporter Neil Chenoweth of The Australian Financial Review has written extensively about corporate intrigue at News Corp (http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400046881). In an e-mail, he says Murdoch valued the prince for two reasons: His investment helped Murdoch hold some rival investors at bay, including Liberty Media (http://npr.wikinvest.com/wikinvest/export/v3/?frame=NPRTearsheet&action=getFrame&search=NASDAQ:LCAPA) CEO John Malone; and it helped him smooth the path for the expected succession of James Murdoch, his younger son.
But News Corp. is not the only big-name investment Waleed has made in the United States. He has helped rescue the American banking giant Citigroup (http://npr.wikinvest.com/wikinvest/export/v3/?frame=NPRTearsheet&action=getFrame&search=NYSE:C) twice and is one of its largest holders. He also has big stakes in rival media giants Time Warner and Disney (http://npr.wikinvest.com/wikinvest/export/v3/?frame=NPRTearsheet&action=getFrame&search=NYSE:DIS). And his portfolio took a big hit (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/worldbusiness/28prince.html) when the U.S. stock markets tanked.
That exchange involving Fox's Senor was the only one this reporter could find on Fox News that made direct reference to the prince. But Senor did not name Waleed — nor was the prince mentioned in any of the speculation about the financing for that proposed Islamic center in Lower Manhattan.
Yet Waleed is hardly unknown to Fox. Anchor Neal Cavuto portrayed the prince as a savvy investor early this year during an extensive interview carried both on the newer Fox Business Network and on Fox News. On those programs, Cavuto disclosed the prince's stake in News Corp.
But the neoconservative Muslim commentator Stephen Schwartz argues that the seeming tension between the prince's investments and his charities provides evidence that he wants to keep one foot in Western business and political circles — and the other in radical Islamic camps.
"Al-Waleed bin Talal wants to be seen as a modernizer and a person who's open to various points of view," Schwartz, executive director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism (http://www.islamicpluralism.org/about), tells NPR. "But it always comes back to the grievance paradigm."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584557

[Ben]

And:

YouTube - Does Fox News Destroy Brian Cells? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0MNraQJJqY)

[PomonaCA]

Gee, I don't know, maybe each married couple should have the freedom to decide and the means to determine how many pregnancies they want to go through and how many children they want to have.

You're really uneducated. Married couples already have the power to decide how many pregnancies they want to go through.

You don't get it, do you? Absent abortion or other murder options, men and women still have the power to decide.

[trish]

You don't get it, do you? Keep BIG GOVERNMENT out of women's wombs.

[Ben]

YouTube - Does the US public want to be misinformed? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-5pK9uGS8w&feature=player_embedded)

[Ben]

Isn't FOX (or more apt: Faux) NEWS notorious for calling the mainstream media liberal?

YouTube - The Myth Of The Liberal Media - The Propaganda Model Of News with Noam Chomsky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyuGLXNBo74)

[onmyknees]

Ben....that's fucking hilarious really....The british dude from U Mass makes a claim and says " the bulk of evidence is clearly on the other side" yet offers no documentation of his evidence. That's the funniest thing I've ever seen !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're kidding me with this ............right? Only the liberal media deny they're slanted...but every poll shows the American people get it right. I mean think about it.....do you really think they're going to openly admit they allow thier ideologies to seep into news stories? Grow up man !! It is what it is . The slant ranges from subtle to gross. Please don't go down this road Ben...you'll look silly doing it.

[yodajazz]

Ben....that's fucking hilarious really....The british dude from U Mass makes a claim and says " the bulk of evidence is clearly on the other side" yet offers no documentation of his evidence. That's the funniest thing I've ever seen !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're kidding me with this ............right? Only the liberal media deny they're slanted...but every poll shows the American people get it right. I mean think about it.....do you really think they're going to openly admit they allow thier ideologies to seep into news stories? Grow up man !! It is what it is . The slant ranges from subtle to gross. Please don't go down this road Ben...you'll look silly doing it.

The public is not getting it right, if they get thier news/entertainment from Glen Beck. That's the point of this thread.

Case in point, I heard Glen Beck say that if you belong to a church and they ever use the term "social justice", you should run away, because they are a front for a 'socialist' agenda, or such. But the Bible is full of terms, including directly from Jesus, that talk about compassion and mercy. The story of the "Good Samaritan", is one such example. Sure, an organization who wants a 'socialist agenda' could use the terms, but it does not follow that anyone, using the term 'justice', (or social justice), is really pushing socialism. So what Beck is really doing is poisoning the term 'justice', so that people can be turned off by the word. You and I could argue about which government policies are more or less 'just', and we'd both be right. The only question is, to what degree each of us are right. But once the terms like 'justice', and 'empirical truth', are thrown out, we have no common ground to communicate. Then you get people saying things like, liberals should live in a separate nation.

A key point I got from Ben's recent vid (post #205), was that during the Reagan adminstration, the doctrine of "fairness" was dropped. I remember that when a news story was aired, a person with a opposing viewpoint was often allowed to give a rebuttal at a later time.

Any research is partially influenced by the framer. But to discount infomation only because of the source is dangerous. Those who once said that the world was round, were considered to be the 'liberal media' at one time. Can you admit that they got that one right? These days, we are getting a deliberate attemp to run from the truth, from people like Beck, using that term. Often an more objective truth is reached, by being looked by two separate viewpoints.

[Faldur]

http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

[yodajazz]

http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf
From what I can see, this document is just an example of keeping people away from, understanding that there is a more objective truth. The news has a segment about a house fire. They show the flames, etc. Does that mean its not true, becasue the reporter believes, women have the right to choose?

This article is an example of basic 'brainwashing' technique. The underlying message is not to trust any information, unless 'I' say it is ok. What does popularity, have to do with, whether something is true or not? Lots of people thought that Hitler was ok, at first. A few did not. Were the fewer who did not, wrong because they disagreed with the majority? If the majority of people think Obama is a Muslim, does that make it true? What about membership of one church for twenty years? That large numbers people have moved beyond reason, into illogical conclusions, is proof that large amounts of being are being brainwashed, by 'studies' like these. Thanks for posting.

[Ben]

O'Reilly's shameful campaign

Nation sportswriter Dave Zirin reports on an ugly campaign led by hated Fox News blowhard Bill O'Reilly against the author of a study on military recruiters.

December 17, 2010
http://socialistworker.org/files/imagecache/330/files/images/PX00203_91.jpgBill O'Reilly

IN MY mind, when the Fox News star Bill O'Reilly decides to make you a target, it's a badge of honor. This is a man who politically is a proud Islamaphobe, declaring, "We have a Muslim problem, not a Muslim extremist problem." And personally? Anyone who likes to tell people how his "happy ending" masseuse thinks he's well endowed clearly has trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.
That's why his latest attacks on University of Washington Assistant Professor Amy Hagopian tells far more about the twisted mind of O'Reilly than the serious study the professor authored.
Hagopian wrote an academic paper for the American Journal of Public Health making the case that military recruiters in high schools were in violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, a threat to the public health of adolescents, and even suggesting military recruiting behaviors were akin to--as she put it--"predatory grooming." It's a serious, data-packed analysis of the way recruiters have manipulated information and targeted the most economically disadvantaged students to fill the ranks of those fighting and dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The overarching thesis of the study is hardly shocking or groundbreaking. After all, we know that in 2005, the Army ordered its recruiters to "stand down" for a day of retraining because of habitual mendacity. We know the intense pressures on military recruiters to meet quotas has led to a series of high-profile ethical violations.
I know from my work at D.C.-area high schools that the recruitment booths aren't set up at elite institutions like St. Alban's or Georgetown Prep. They're at public high schools like Ballou and Bell. In other words, recruiters fish in places where young people have fewer options. Hagopian's academic study simply backed up what has been over the last five years a very public scandal. This is what I thought when I read her paper.
When O'Reilly read her paper...all right, let's stop there. I will contend there is no way Bill O'Reilly actually read her piece. None. He doesn't reckon with any of Hagopian's sobering data. He doesn't reckon with the suicide rates among troops, the effects of exposure to depleted uranium or any of the ways that the realities of war are fudged by recruiters to fill their quotas.
There is just O'Reilly doing his neo-McCarthyite best to chill free speech. All O'Reilly needed was Hagopian's use of the word "predatory" when describing recruiters. Next thing you know, he was hitting the airwaves attacking Hagopian for calling recruiters "child molesters."
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THIS IS sick. Why this is where O'Reilly and his producers' minds go is honestly between them and their Internet browsers. But tragically, when he sends his shock troops into battle, they can damage a person's life.
Now, Amy Hagopian, for the unholy crime of conducting academic inquiry into a public scandal, has been harassed by O'Reilly's loyal listeners. They have sent threatening letters and e-mails to the school offices. They have made a series of profane phone calls to her colleagues. They have contacted her university and demanded that she should be fired for writing a peer-reviewed publication in the primary journal of public health in America.
Please take a moment and imagine if that was you. Imagine if you created a contribution to public discourse to provoke discussion and debate. Imagine if you were ready to defend your findings against others who would surely disagree. And then imagine if instead you found yourself a personal target for a reactionary media giant using his outsized pulpit to make your life a living hell.
That's not journalism, and it's not punditry. It's the actions of an obscene, indecent bully. If there is one object lesson I've learned about O'Reilly's character from these attacks, it's that he clearly despises women who tell sobering truths. I suppose he just wants them to administer happy endings.

First published at Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-zirin/an-indecent-man-bill-orei_b_797586.html).

[Ben]

YouTube - Faux News Performers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1E6dNwud8)

[onmyknees]

YouTube - Faux News Performers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD1E6dNwud8)


Ben...Please accept this Christmas Card in the spirit it was intended by the Cable News Network that has 300% more viewers than it's nearest competitor in all time slots between 7-11 pm. LOL
And btw..I wasn't even aware that the uber left mag "The Nation" had sportswriters. I know they don't have any readers, maybe they're covering sports now? Or maybe thier sportswriters are covering politics now? LOL

[Ben]

Sadly, this beats Fox:

YouTube - WWE RAW 10/26/2009: Big Show Vs Triple H (No Disqualification Lumberjack Match) 2/2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0E5Pricoxg)

[Billy mays here]

Ben , when you use media matters as a reference, you look just as stupid as FOX news and MSNBC . Its ok because your whole agenda just took the biggest loss in the last 70 years of congress. You can label racist this , and racist that , but ultamitley its REAL AMERICANS , black ones , white ones , purple ones that SAID NO TO YOUR PRESIDENT and his party ( and the counrty club republicans as well) at the poles where it matters . Not on a forum about GIRL COCK duder .

[Ben]

Ben , when you use media matters as a reference, you look just as stupid as FOX news and MSNBC . Its ok because your whole agenda just took the biggest loss in the last 70 years of congress. You can label racist this , and racist that , but ultamitley its REAL AMERICANS , black ones , white ones , purple ones that SAID NO TO YOUR PRESIDENT and his party ( and the counrty club republicans as well) at the poles where it matters . Not on a forum about GIRL COCK duder .

Ha! ha! ha! I'm not a fan of President Obama.... Nor was I a fan of President Bush. (I like Ron Paul. He's principled. You can disagree with him. But at least he's principled. He's very good on foreign policy, civil liberties and on the fruitless and pointless drug war.)
And - I - am - NOT - a - liberal. I don't like the Democratic Party. (Both parties represent and serve strictly business interests. And not the interests of the population. That's understood.
It's about money -- and money in politics. Obama received most of his campaign money from the financial sector. Thus he serves their interests.
A lot of corporations are inextricably tied to government. And it's great for them. Think: Halliburton. Because they don't have to compete in the so-called free market. Ya just get your money from the government. Think: Blackwater/Xe, too.)

[Ben]

YouTube - Ron Paul - Preserving Civil Liberties (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1ofsY1kzc4)

[Ben]

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee6MIrtenH0)

[yodajazz]

Ben , when you use media matters as a reference, you look just as stupid as FOX news and MSNBC . Its ok because your whole agenda just took the biggest loss in the last 70 years of congress. You can label racist this , and racist that , but ultamitley its REAL AMERICANS , black ones , white ones , purple ones that SAID NO TO YOUR PRESIDENT and his party ( and the counrty club republicans as well) at the poles where it matters . Not on a forum about GIRL COCK duder .
Can you admit that there is now more hatred from Americans (US cititzens) towards other Americans than at any time since the civil war? I tie this hatred, to professional hate mongerers such as Beck. The party winning the presidential election has lost seats in the mid term elections almost everytime in the past 40? years. The public is being brainwashed being thrown terms like "socialism" without even discussing the merits or complexities of a particular situation. "Socialism" is a branded word, that has been invested with negative meanings for 50+ years. Simply using that word, tends to stop public discourse, and goes directly the embedded negative meanings of the past. Americans are no longer thinking, but reacting to code terms. So you think you can invalidate any information from MSNBC, because of its so called 'liberal' bias. As if they could never be right. Were talking never. It's people like Beck, who have worked hard to make people immune to empirical evidence. Another word for that is ignorance.

I definitely did not like Bush and would have voted for any Democratic candidate. I really respect lots of Ron Pauls view. However, I dont agree with his views that 'small government' is a solution. This is because I see corporations becoming bigger and more powerful than ever. And I feel that government's responsibility is to the people, so that is our main hope of balancing the rule of money.

[russtafa]

Well these Americans can join the club because most of the world has contempt for the US of A

[Ben]

Can you admit that there is now more hatred from Americans (US cititzens) towards other Americans than at any time since the civil war? I tie this hatred, to professional hate mongerers such as Beck. The party winning the presidential election has lost seats in the mid term elections almost everytime in the past 40? years. The public is being brainwashed being thrown terms like "socialism" without even discussing the merits or complexities of a particular situation. "Socialism" is a branded word, that has been invested with negative meanings for 50+ years. Simply using that word, tends to stop public discourse, and goes directly the embedded negative meanings of the past. Americans are no longer thinking, but reacting to code terms. So you think you can invalidate any information from MSNBC, because of its so called 'liberal' bias. As if they could never be right. Were talking never. It's people like Beck, who have worked hard to make people immune to empirical evidence. Another word for that is ignorance.

I definitely did not like Bush and would have voted for any Democratic candidate. I really respect lots of Ron Pauls view. However, I dont agree with his views that 'small government' is a solution. This is because I see corporations becoming bigger and more powerful than ever. And I feel that government's responsibility is to the people, so that is our main hope of balancing the rule of money.

yodajazz, I agree with you: "... that 'small government' is a solution." As Noam Chomsky has stated: we, actually, need big government to protect us (or provide some protection) against these corporate behemoths. (And if one goes back a hundred years, well, it was actually conservatives who railed against corporations and concentrated private capital. Because if you have concentrated private capital, well, you will not have a democracy. Traditional conservatism is about being against centralized authority whether it be government or large corporations.)
When Tea Party members rail against government they aren't thinking about what's two steps behind government: big and powerful corporations. And people do have some say when it comes to government. People can influence government.
You can't influence a private corporation. They're non democratic institutions. They're top-down institutions. Power comes from above. The decision-making process is top-down. (Even shareholders don't have a say on the day-to-day decisions.) However, there's one good aspect to corporate structures: they don't tolerate corruption.
Corporations, overall, should reflect the interests of the shareholders and the workers and the stakeholders. Meaning: the community.
Corporations don't take into account externalities. (Even Milton Friedman said this is a big problem.)
An externality is the effect of a transaction between two individuals on a third party who hasn't consented to the carrying out of that transaction. Take, say, the buying of a car. The buyer and seller are looking to get the best deal possible. What they don't take into account is the effect on other people. Pollution. Congestion. Higher gas prices.

[onmyknees]

Can you admit that there is now more hatred from Americans (US cititzens) towards other Americans than at any time since the civil war? I tie this hatred, to professional hate mongerers such as Beck. The party winning the presidential election has lost seats in the mid term elections almost everytime in the past 40? years. The public is being brainwashed being thrown terms like "socialism" without even discussing the merits or complexities of a particular situation. "Socialism" is a branded word, that has been invested with negative meanings for 50+ years. Simply using that word, tends to stop public discourse, and goes directly the embedded negative meanings of the past. Americans are no longer thinking, but reacting to code terms. So you think you can invalidate any information from MSNBC, because of its so called 'liberal' bias. As if they could never be right. Were talking never. It's people like Beck, who have worked hard to make people immune to empirical evidence. Another word for that is ignorance.

I definitely did not like Bush and would have voted for any Democratic candidate. I really respect lots of Ron Pauls view. However, I dont agree with his views that 'small government' is a solution. This is because I see corporations becoming bigger and more powerful than ever. And I feel that government's responsibility is to the people, so that is our main hope of balancing the rule of money.


I would agree that many Americans are angry that at any time I can recall. I don't think hate is a world I'd use. You're a smart guy Yodajazz, so you must know this goes much deeper than Beck. He gets a million viewers a night. The latest census tell us there's 308 million folks here in the US, so something else is at play here. I won't defend Beck...it's not my deal, but if he's so hateful....why was his rally so absolutely peaceful ? Surely one or two of the half million people would not be able to control themselves and there would be the press to chronicle it...but it never happened.

If you want to be honest....you need to look in the mirror as an Obama supporter to find some of the source of that anger. He's done as much to enflame passions as any president in modern history. On this I am as certain as death and taxes....Bush for all his faults( and he had many) NEVER dismissed or disrespected his foes. He continues that today. Obama engages in the devisive, back handed slights at every chance he gets. If you'd like me too...I'd be more than happy to chronicle them if we have enough space on this forum. His comments about clinging to guns and religion and conservatives as the enemy and getting in the back bus are not helpful. I'll tell you something else, if you're looking to truly scrape the surface and find the source of the anger...it's the constant bashing of the Tea Party's as racist. Believe me when I tell you this....the constant narrative spun by the left to disarm the efficacy of the Tea Party's and use race as the club has damaged this country immeasurably. They should be hung for the damage they've created. I'm certain you don't agree with the Tea Party premise, that's fine...but let's say a political grass roots movement starts and you begin to associate yourself with it. They seem to be saying and feeling what you believe. You begin to assemble, and organize. You are clumsy at first as you're not professional organizers. Over many months, your movement has grown in size and focus. You have never felt better about your country, or the power you as a singular American has to change the process. Then one day you wake up, and a seemingly coordinated effort from prominent liberal politicians, liberal columnists and pundits, The Speaker of the House, The NAACP, most major op-ed pages in most major cities, The President and his staff, and the 3 major networks as well as most cable entities are calling you racists...... a term once held for only the most despicable amongst us. Even the rhetorical question , when asked suggests an evil intent. For example ...Katie Couric is too smart to call The Tea Parties racists, so she poses the question... I has the intended effect. Do you think just maybe that poured 100 octane fuel on a simmering fire? Call them ill informed, or foolish, or without substance, but calling them racist....?? them's fightin' words. It was a calculated campaign by the liberals. It may have worked to preserve some democtatic seats, but it wounded the nation deeply. Any dirty trick the Conservatives can muster, pales in comparision to dividing the country on race. That's why this anger runs so deep.
There is a newly elected Congressman from Florida. His name is Col. West, an African American conservative. Keep an eye on him. The Tea Party would follow this guy to the gates of hell, and he's as black as coal. Race has nothing to do with it.

Now then onto your question of Socialist....I think it would have been more palatable and intellectually honest to preface it with Democratic. Obama is a Democratic Socialist. I don't know why that offends some. That's exactly what he is....A European style Socialist. Not the same as Lenin and Marx, of course...but there's just no denying his policies are more politically tied to France and other European social democracies, than any President in my lifetime. Of course some wanted the electorate to subliminally associate Socialist with Communist, and they were wrong for doing that....Even the "Progressive" Magazine urges liberals to stop running from the term Democratic Socialist. Social Democrats until recently were major political forces in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Spain, France, Germany, and most other nations. There's nothing derogatory about the label whatsoever. Goggle it...read the party platform, and then tell me that's not precisely what Obama believes. Socialist ? NO ...Democratic Socialist? YES.

[Ben]

Do Republicans Still Need Beck?
By Adam Serwer


James Downie writes (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/84662/the-decline-glenn-beck) about Glenn Beck's descent into ever more elaborate conspiracy theories and lower ratings:
Just six months later, however, Beck seems to have traveled somewhere else entirely. His ratings and reputation are in steep decline: His show has lost more than one million viewers over the course of the past year, falling from an average of 2.9 million in January 2010 to 1.8 million in January 2011. He now ranks fifth among Fox’s six weekday talk hosts, trailing lesser-known personalities like Shepard Smith and Bret Baier. Beck’s three-hour radio show has been dropped in several major cities, including New York and Philadelphia, and has seen a ratings decline in most other markets. “It’s hard to gain a million viewers,” says Eric Boehlert, who follows Beck’s shows for the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters, “but it’s really hard to lose a million viewers.” And Beck’s fall contrasts with the fortunes of other Fox News hosts, like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, whose TV ratings stayed solid throughout 2010.Downie suggests that this is because Beck's conspiracies have gotten more baroque and apocalyptic. I'm not so sure -- but I think the answer may be in this Pew poll Ben Smith flagged (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0311/A_mellower_nation.html) yesterday showing that the number of people "angry at the federal government" has declined (http://people-press.org/report/711/) by 9 percent. According to Pew, "much of the decline" comes from "Republicans and Tea Party supporters." Republicans have calmed down, and Beck has stayed high-strung.
The whole Republican narrative is based on the idea that conservatives are the "real Americans" and that liberals and Democrats are illegitimate democratic actors who only gain power through illicit means. Beck and his chalkboard met the need conservatives had to persuade themselves of this in the aftermath of political losses in 2006 and particularly 2008. Republicans, having regained control of the House and excised the existential crisis caused by losing the presidential election, feel like things are "getting back to normal." So they simply don't have the same appetite for the kind of cathartic insanity Beck provides. It's not really that Beck has really changed; it's that Republicans don't really need him anymore.

[Faldur]

I don't the folks at Fox are going to get too excited about that. Last Friday he ranked 4th on the night, and for goodness sakes the guy is on at 5pm. His total audience Friday was more than his 5 other competitors combined. I think thats a pretty safe bet. Feel free to check for yourself.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/07/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-march-4-2011/84867

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/04/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-march-3-2011/84673

[onmyknees]

I don't the folks at Fox are going to get too excited about that. Last Friday he ranked 4th on the night, and for goodness sakes the guy is on at 5pm. His total audience Friday was more than his 5 other competitors combined. I think thats a pretty safe bet. Feel free to check for yourself.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/07/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-march-4-2011/84867

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/04/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-march-3-2011/84673

Agree...I never was a huge Beck guy, I can take him in small doses and he certainly does his research...I just can't take the deep physiological conspiracy theories on a nightly basis. He does draw some interesting dotted line conclusions, and he and he alone was responsible for Van Jones taking a powder. Hell...he's a top selling author, has a popular web site, well listened to radio program, so maybe he's set to blow off the TV gig.

[Faldur]

It's really kind of funny, if Beck is in trouble with his viewership, where is Chris Matthews with 33% of Beck's viewers. I think Chris might be the one polishing up his resume.

[onmyknees]

It's really kind of funny, if Beck is in trouble with his viewership, where is Chris Matthews with 33% of Beck's viewers. I think Chris might be the one polishing up his resume.

That is pretty funny. Yea "Tingles" seems to have seems to have mistakenly collided with reality lately except for last night when he played a clip of Newt making a speech. Newt was doing what every person I've ever seen do when public speaking...his hands were moving. Tingles felt it was some biblical message ( Christ like) to the Evangelists he was speaking to. This guy is really certifiable !! LMAO