are men who date transwomen gay?

[tsparisangelline]

The short answer is NO. Let me explain why men who date transsexuals are not gay. Firstly, it needs to be known that every man has their own likes and dislikes in terms of sexuality and emotional companionship. Many "straight" men are not as straight as they say they are, but that doesn't necessarily make them gay or bisexual. Just because society likes to label people with straight, gay or bisexual doesn't mean everyone fits into those categories. In the Transgender Dating world those terms don't always match up to reality.

Additonally, transgenderism has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

A lot of men will seek out transsexuals for dating and love because they feel that transsexuals are actually more feminine than genetic women. Yes, that is right....MORE feminine! Additionally, men find that genetic women have a lot of hangups in the bedroom department that they feel transsexuals do not have. While that may be true to some extent, it's not a hard and fast rule to live by. Transsexuals who were born in a male body, but have female brain chemistry and are truly women stuck in a man's body until they begin transitioning into a female outer appearance. However, it must be known that nobody should be judged solely on their outward appearance as their are many complicated circumstances that hinder the transitioning process, most of which come from society and financial barriers.

Everyone has a right to date whomever they want to without judgment, however that is just not where society or reality is at these days so I cannot stress enough the importance of living your life in a way that makes YOU happy without worrying about what your friends or neighbors will think.

While some men who date transsexuals may be bisexual, those men who are gay would not be in the slightest interested in dating someone who is NOT actually a man, but a transsexual who embodies everything that is beautiful in a woman.

It is also important to point out that not all transsexual male to female play an active role sexually with their male genitalia. In fact, many transsexuals do plan to have complete SRS (sexual reassignment surgery) at some point in their lives. Men should not approach transsexuals with the expectation that they will always have another penis in the relationship. Transsexuality is not a sexual fetish, but a gendor dismorphic disorder that stems from before birth. That is not to say that being transgender is a "bad" thing or mental illness, it simply is a fact of life which has not yet been fully embraced by most civilized countries.

In closing I applaud those men who are not afraid to say they prefer to date transsexuals and do not worry about what society will think. But please be aware that the greatest sacrifice is made by those who are transgendered and have to struggle with the constant abuse that society and ignorant men prey upon them.

[bat1]

hummm...don't think so

how is fuc%king guys in the ass make tgirls more feminine?

don't get me started...

[tsparisangelline]

hummm...don't think so

how is fuc%king guys in the ass make tgirls more feminine?

don't get me started...

huh? i do not comprehend what you are saying

[rockabilly]

I think he's asking what's feminine about a tgirl topping a guy. :shrug

[goku]

This is a question that I posed to myself on several occasions. First, let me tell my story.......

I was first interested in Transsexuals about 9 years ago. It was just something that I ran across on the internet, and I would occasionally add to my porn collection. Never acted upon it in real life. Well, about 4 years ago, my then girlfriend came upon my TS porn. She was furious, and immediately questioned my sexual orientation, something I had never thought about up until that point.

We made an attempt to resume our relationship, but she would always make jokes about it whenever she got angry. She also kept saying that I should investigate my interest. Needless to say, we eventually broke up for other reasons, and it got ugly. In an effort to hurt me for calling it quits, she outed me to her friends, and any people I knew that she could get her hands on, including my mom.

Let me clarify, I don't consider myself gay as I don't enjoy the male form one bit. Muscles and mustaches do absolutely nothing for me. I am not in any shape or form feminine. I am a typical 6'2 200lb guy. I enjoy everything about the female form. The softness, shape, clothing, perfume, hair, and everything else associated with females.

As stated, the whole TS thing started as a fetish for me, but since then I have actually realized that I am not afraid. Hell, anybody I actually care about already knows anyway!

What I don't get, being a guy not really in the whole scene, is the fighting that goes on between TS women and men who are interested. Maybe I am a little naive about the whole thing but, shouldn't a girl be happy that guys are accepting of them? What's with all the calling guys gay and all that?

[Jericho]

Yes...No...Maybe! :shrug

[tsparisangelline]

This is a question that I posed to myself on several occasions. First, let me tell my story.......

I was first interested in Transsexuals about 9 years ago. It was just something that I ran across on the internet, and I would occasionally add to my porn collection. Never acted upon it in real life. Well, about 4 years ago, my then girlfriend came upon my TS porn. She was furious, and immediately questioned my sexual orientation, something I had never thought about up until that point.

We made an attempt to resume our relationship, but she would always make jokes about it whenever she got angry. She also kept saying that I should investigate my interest. Needless to say, we eventually broke up for other reasons, and it got ugly. In an effort to hurt me for calling it quits, she outed me to her friends, and any people I knew that she could get her hands on, including my mom.

Let me clarify, I don't consider myself gay as I don't enjoy the male form one bit. Muscles and mustaches do absolutely nothing for me. I am not in any shape or form feminine. I am a typical 6'2 200lb guy. I enjoy everything about the female form. The softness, shape, clothing, perfume, hair, and everything else associated with females.

As stated, the whole TS thing started as a fetish for me, but since then I have actually realized that I am not afraid. Hell, anybody I actually care about already knows anyway!

What I don't get, being a guy not really in the whole scene, is the fighting that goes on between TS women and men who are interested. Maybe I am a little naive about the whole thing but, shouldn't a girl be happy that guys are accepting of them? What's with all the calling guys gay and all that?


i actually posted this so i could use it on another site

but i want it from a tgirl lovers opinion not the gay boys

do u mind if i post it?

i wont say hung angels or your screename

[goku]

i actually posted this so i could use it on another site

but i want it from a tgirl lovers opinion not the gay boys

do u mind if i post it?

i wont say hung angels or your screename


No problem, and I appreciate you asking first. You surprise me more and more everyday Ms Paris.

[tsparisangelline]

No problem, and I appreciate you asking first. You surprise me more and more everyday Ms Paris.


lol and why is that?

[goku]

lol and why is that?


You could have posted it without asking. The fact that you asked first tells a lot about who you are as a person.

[sheyum]

wow
what an absolutely FASCINATING topic!!

[tsparisangelline]

You could have posted it without asking. The fact that you asked first tells a lot about who you are as a person.

lol i am white ya know

we have respect for others

(cough) unlike others (cough black)

[goku]

I think he's asking what's feminine about a tgirl topping a guy. :shrug


What's feminine about a GG fucking a guy with a strapon? Yet, a lot of people do it. Some even see it as gay.

I am the kind of person that wants to experience different ways of achieving orgasm. I love fucking. I love sliding my dick in and fucking until I unload. I love getting my dick sucked. It's probably my favorite when it"s done right. I dated a girl who used to make these slurping sounds when she did it, combined with her skills.......whew! Toe curling!

However, a long time ago a girl slipped a finger in my ass while I was fucking her and I had a mind-blowing orgasm! Ever since then I realized the ass is also a pleasure spot. While I personally have never had a dick in my ass, I can fully understand how anyone would like it. I may never graduate to getting fucked by a tgirl, but if a girl wants to play with my prostate while blowing me, I am not ashamed!

[dj4monie]

No, no explanation needed.

[goku]

lol i am white ya know

we have respect for others

(cough) unlike others (cough black)


lol.....ouch!


(and............back down a couple notches she goes.......lol)

[tsparisangelline]

lol.....ouch!


(and............back down a couple notches she goes.......lol)

lol :D

:loser:

[Ben]

Gotta say: I'm tired of this discussion.... (I mean, does liking Britney Spears make you gay? Of - course - it - does -- ha!ha!) These debates are, I think, silly.
There are also debates/discussions about whether or not you're gay if ya like female bodybuilders. God! Again, I think it's silly. (I like what the British singer and songwriter Morrissey said: The prefixes hetero and homo and bi to the suffix sexual is both restrictive and meaningless.)

[Coroner]

I was attracted to t-girls from the first time I saw one back in 1997. Yes, I´ve told this story before but I´ll try to put it in a more serious context. Back in 1997, when I was 12 (the puberty era), I discovered this VHS in a shop entitled Ladymen. Labels and questions about my own sexuality didn´t play any role in my life, not because I was consciously liberal in the matter of sexuality, but because I was just a horny straight teenager in my own understanding. In fact, I was partially homophobic like any other teenage boy who loves action movies and soccer. The negative thing about me back then was the portion of homophobia you grow up with but the TS on the VHS cover was a woman for me and I thought she was hot. That means that I´ve accepted the TS as a true woman, despite my age, lack of experience, understanding and circumstances.
However, I forgot that TS soon and never jerked off to her nor did I search for TS jerk-off material. It was when the internet became part of my daily life that I began to collect shemale porn. That was in 2000/2001 when I was 15 or 16 years old and for the first time, I began ask myself what that means. My conclusion: t-girls are women, I´m not attracted to men and I´m uber-straight. :lol:
So, how do I think about it today? TS women are still women for me, I´m not gay (meaning I don´t like men) but the uber-straight illusion is gone and I´m glad it is. Reaching a more mature point of my life, I´ve become aware that labels make no sense because they simply do not match with the facts. They do not describe the individual. And I´ve grown out of the fetish phase.

[tsparisangelline]

What's feminine about a GG fucking a guy with a strapon? Yet, a lot of people do it. Some even see it as gay.

I am the kind of person that wants to experience different ways of achieving orgasm. I love fucking. I love sliding my dick in and fucking until I unload. I love getting my dick sucked. It's probably my favorite when it"s done right. I dated a girl who used to make these slurping sounds when she did it, combined with her skills.......whew! Toe curling!

However, a long time ago a girl slipped a finger in my ass while I was fucking her and I had a mind-blowing orgasm! Ever since then I realized the ass is also a pleasure spot. While I personally have never had a dick in my ass, I can fully understand how anyone would like it. I may never graduate to getting fucked by a tgirl, but if a girl wants to play with my prostate while blowing me, I am not ashamed!

can i use that too?

[tsparisangelline]

I was attracted to t-girls from the first time I saw one back in 1997. Yes, I´ve told this story before but I´ll try to put it in a more serious context. Back in 1997, when I was 12 (the puberty era), I discovered this VHS in a shop entitled Ladymen. Labels and questions about my own sexuality didn´t play any role in my life, not because I was consciously liberal in the matter of sexuality, but because I was just a horny straight teenager in my own understanding. In fact, I was partially homophobic like any other teenage boy who loves action movies and soccer. The negative thing about me back then was the portion of homophobia you grow up with but the TS on the VHS cover was a woman for me and I thought she was hot. That means that I´ve accepted the TS as a true woman, despite my age, lack of experience, understanding and circumstances.
However, I forgot that TS soon and never jerked off to her nor did I search for TS jerk-off material. It was when the internet became part of my daily life that I began to collect shemale porn. That was in 2000/2001 when I was 15 or 16 years old and for the first time, I began ask myself what that means. My conclusion: t-girls are women, I´m not attracted to men and I´m uber-straight. :lol:
So, how do I think about it today? TS women are still women for me, I´m not gay (meaning I don´t like men) but the uber-straight illusion is gone and I´m glad it is. Reaching a more mature point of my life, I´ve become aware that labels make no sense because they simply do not match with the facts. They do not describe the individual. And I´ve grown out of the fetish phase.

do u mind if i use this on the other site??

[Coroner]

No problem, go ahead.

[dj4monie]

Gotta say: I'm tired of this discussion.... (I mean, does liking Britney Spears make you gay? Of - course - it - does -- ha!ha!) These debates are, I think, silly.
There are also debates/discussions about whether or not you're gay if ya like female bodybuilders. God! Again, I think it's silly. (I like what the British singer and songwriter Morrissey said: The prefixes hetero and homo and bi to the suffix sexual is both restrictive and meaningless.)

The problem is there's a double standard.

Other women will not question your sexuality if you like a female bodybuilder, they understand she didn't stop being a woman because she likes to put on muscle. Its that strange self-empowerment that many women feels these days. Its perfectly okay to be a female bodybuilder or fitness junkie.

Of course many are talking male hormones and other stuff that gives them a "manly" look at times and I don't find it all that attractive, but I like the bodybuilder thread on here. I met a very attractive woman while in Germany, she was a bodybuilder and smoking. Its just unusual I suppose.

I agree this subject has been beaten to death around here.

The problem is while you might not think your gay or bi-sexual, somebody is always ready to label you one and its very unscientific, its a moral issue in their eyes.

[CannibalMan]

are men who date transwomen gay?

I think it depends on what's your definition of 'femininity', 'masculinity', and, as consequence, of 'gay'. It would be interesting if, instead of jumping right on the gay debate, we spent some time discussing femininity x masculinity. Oddly, I don't remember seeing this discussion in this or other trans forums.

[tsparisangelline]

I think it depends on what's your definition of 'femininity', 'masculinity', and, as consequence, of 'gay'. It would be interesting if, instead of jumping right on the gay debate, we spent some time discussing femininity x masculinity. Oddly, I don't remember seeing this discussion in this or other trans forums.

to many feminine gays to speak on it lol

[Clind]

i remember the first time that i started to have a fantasy about a women with dick, the first time it was a video showing a woman with a strap on,after i started watching porn with trans girls in the beginning i was almost shamed about me, by the years i realized one single thing I DON'T CARE for titles, i don t care if i m gay or not to be honest i don't even thinking too much anymore about sexual preferences, i ve been with trans girls many times i had most of the times, great moments and i really dont understand anymore why do i have to discover "if i m gay or not".

The only thing that i know is that i like to do my sexual fantasies and i don't want anymore to criticizes or to castrate them, we like what ever we like all the other is remainings of old times that slowly ending

[traLika]

I don’t think the answer to the question “Are men who date transwomen gay?” is a straightforward Yes or No.

I’d say some aren’t gay and some are…

Speaking for myself, the answer is “No”, because I’ve never looked at a photogenic guy like Brad Pitt, Christiano Ronaldo, George Clooney, Mohammed Ali (when he was younger) or anyone else and felt physically attracted to him. The male physique just doesn’t do it for me. But when I see a beautiful, feminine tgirl like Patricia Araujo, Bianca Freire or Leticia Vlasak I know I am attracted to ‘her’ because she looks like a gorgeous girl to me (except for one detail!).

But while I now know there are other guys like me who appreciate a beautiful tgirl’s femininity, there appears to be another group of men who are more into tgirls with big cocks, regardless of their femininity. I would guess that a lot of those guys ARE gay, but I can’t speak for them - you’d have to ask them to find out…

[giovanni_hotel]

Paris, is the OP your own written material???

[tsparisangelline]

Paris, is the OP your own written material???

no its from ezineatricles

[tsparisangelline]

I don’t think the answer to the question “Are men who date transwomen gay?” is a straightforward Yes or No.

I’d say some aren’t gay and some are…

Speaking for myself, the answer is “No”, because I’ve never looked at a photogenic guy like Brad Pitt, Christiano Ronaldo, George Clooney, Mohammed Ali (when he was younger) or anyone else and felt physically attracted to him. The male physique just doesn’t do it for me. But when I see a beautiful, feminine tgirl like Patricia Araujo, Bianca Freire or Leticia Vlasak I know I am attracted to ‘her’ because she looks like a gorgeous girl to me (except for one detail!).

But while I now know there are other guys like me who appreciate a beautiful tgirl’s femininity, there appears to be another group of men who are more into tgirls with big cocks, regardless of their femininity. I would guess that a lot of those guys ARE gay, but I can’t speak for them - you’d have to ask them to find out…

can i use this for the other sites thread?

[tsparisangelline]

http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-Dating-A-Transsexual-Make-Me-Gay?&id=906471

[tsparisangelline]

i remember the first time that i started to have a fantasy about a women with dick, the first time it was a video showing a woman with a strap on,after i started watching porn with trans girls in the beginning i was almost shamed about me, by the years i realized one single thing I DON'T CARE for titles, i don t care if i m gay or not to be honest i don't even thinking too much anymore about sexual preferences, i ve been with trans girls many times i had most of the times, great moments and i really dont understand anymore why do i have to discover "if i m gay or not".

The only thing that i know is that i like to do my sexual fantasies and i don't want anymore to criticizes or to castrate them, we like what ever we like all the other is remainings of old times that slowly ending

can i use this? it disproves the gays reasoning's that trans attracted men only call themselves str8 because they have fears of being gay

[Shadow0978s]

I would say a guy who dates a t-girl is not gay, if he were gay, he would date another guy.

[Silcc69]

Of course in here we don't feel like we are gay but in the real world they don't give a damn what logic we use. Ur having sex with man is what they will say. But she looks better than half of these GG. So what he has a dick blah bla blah. So really it's pointless.

[Instrumental]

I think it's kinda sad that people get so hung up on labels and feel the need to put a name to everything. I like what I like and I don't really care what a person's going to label me with because it's not going to change anything.

That all being said, if a man is attracted to the female form, at most, they can be classified as bisexual. Being gay would require that they be attracted to men exclusively of course.

[drock]

This is a question that I posed to myself on several occasions. First, let me tell my story.......

I was first interested in Transsexuals about 9 years ago. It was just something that I ran across on the internet, and I would occasionally add to my porn collection. Never acted upon it in real life. Well, about 4 years ago, my then girlfriend came upon my TS porn. She was furious, and immediately questioned my sexual orientation, something I had never thought about up until that point.

We made an attempt to resume our relationship, but she would always make jokes about it whenever she got angry. She also kept saying that I should investigate my interest. Needless to say, we eventually broke up for other reasons, and it got ugly. In an effort to hurt me for calling it quits, she outed me to her friends, and any people I knew that she could get her hands on, including my mom.

Let me clarify, I don't consider myself gay as I don't enjoy the male form one bit. Muscles and mustaches do absolutely nothing for me. I am not in any shape or form feminine. I am a typical 6'2 200lb guy. I enjoy everything about the female form. The softness, shape, clothing, perfume, hair, and everything else associated with females.

As stated, the whole TS thing started as a fetish for me, but since then I have actually realized that I am not afraid. Hell, anybody I actually care about already knows anyway!

What I don't get, being a guy not really in the whole scene, is the fighting that goes on between TS women and men who are interested. Maybe I am a little naive about the whole thing but, shouldn't a girl be happy that guys are accepting of them? What's with all the calling guys gay and all that?

goko, bro I had a similar experience but with a totally different outcome.. My girlfreind found all my tranny porn too, but she never said one word about it.. I'm sure she saw it because it was right beside my console in my car and she took my car for the day.. Then when she got back we went somewhere together, and guess what all my porn was sitting right there where I carelessly left it, and it was sitting right in between us as we drove away.. As soon as I realized that I left it in the car and she saw it, my heart felt like it stopped beating for a few seconds, but like I said she never mentioned it and we both pretended the porn wasn't even there on the console.. I thought she was going to give me pure hell, but not a peep from her..

But back to the question I dunno when I really got into trannys.. Growing up I didn't know what a tranny was to be quite frank.. I think the first time I actually knew I was attracted to them though was I saw a couple of trannys at a club in Alabama, and at first i thought they were just women but then when I really checked em out I knew something was different cause they weren't the totally feminine trannys that I see on Eros and in the videos.. I mean they had some nice bodies don't get me wrong but their faces you could just tell they weren't women.. But anyway after seeing them, there was a spark that went off in my head that let me know there was an attraction, and it was probabaly two or three years later before I actually hooked up with a tranny but the seeds were planted after seeing the first two..

I don't know if this is another am I gay thread, but I dayum sho don't consider myself gay for liking trannys, and to be quite frank I don't really give a dayum about the size of trannys dick, and actually to me trannys with smaller dicks or non functional are more attractive to me.. I never got why guys liked trannys with huge dicks to me that's a turn off, but I guess everybody has their own thang..

[traLika]

can i use this for the other sites thread?


Of course! :)

[TrannyGod]

A is 100x more gay than B.

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5216/youchoose.png

[BlackMath]

i dont undestand why this topic always comes up. Why does it matter if liking Tgirls makes someone gay or not? Why does it matter if anyone is gay or not. I dont find it a relevant point at all. If your dick gets hard over something, whatever...

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

It might not make you gay in the cultural and/or social sense of the word. But yeah, you are engaging in a homosexual encounter. That is, until they come up with some kind of chromosome transfer surgery for the girls... anything else is just semantics and feelings, (maybe a bit of silicone and hormone pills for the well funded) but chemically, dudes.

[SAAdmirer]

It might not make you gay in the cultural and/or social sense of the word. But yeah, you are engaging in a homosexual encounter. That is, until they come up with some kind of chromosome transfer surgery for the girls... anything else is just semantics and feelings, (maybe a bit of silicone and hormone pills for the well funded) but chemically, dudes.

I don't mean to pick on any one person, but human sexuality is much more complicated than the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. The genetics involved in secondary sexual characteristics is very complex. Thus, there is a wide variety or spectrum of human sexuality that can observed in everyday social encounters, and not those just on this board.

We are attracted to what we can see... if a man is attracted to an hourglass figure, hairless face, painted nails, and long hair, then how can he be homosexual?

As for who bottoms and who tops, as was mentioned in the beginning of the thread, that would seem to be more a question of dominance and submission, not sexuality or gender.

Hey, whatta you know? Beating a dead horse can be fun.

[Richctdude]

well said... in alot of ways ts aer more femine and sexier

[rameses2]

Dating transwomen doesn't mean you're gay... a framed poster of Asia means you're gay:geek:!

[rockabilly]

Hey Ram wanna know how i know you're gay?

You know how to make quiche , that's how i know you're gay.

[Jericho]

Dating transwomen doesn't mean you're gay... a framed poster of Asia means you're gay:geek:!

A map poster makes you gay? :hide-1:

[drock]

It might not make you gay in the cultural and/or social sense of the word. But yeah, you are engaging in a homosexual encounter. That is, until they come up with some kind of chromosome transfer surgery for the girls... anything else is just semantics and feelings, (maybe a bit of silicone and hormone pills for the well funded) but chemically, dudes.


OK let me play devils advocate here.. Since you consider it homosexual encounters and you said that you plan to have a relationship with a woman after you're done with the business.. It's obvious that you love homosexual sex so how are you going to pull this off after having all those dicks in your mouth and ass, are you going to just quite cold turkey and switch roles? ????

[swerve d]

NO .....im not attracted to any male attributes what so ever except a dick (and only on a woman , or man that looks like a woman).....

My tranny exp. ---->

i met her/him through a straight friend at a house party at my house , all my friends are straight and she was a pre-op, no hormoans or anything but a very feminine face (so basically drag but convincing but not to the point my friends didnt know) but to a drunk me was a women...
my friends saw her flirting with me and after she left made fun of me saying i liked it...i started getting more high and got tired of my party and saw my friends phone laying on the table i took the phone and found her number, she happened to live in French Quarter in New Orleans, so i called and left my own party at 4am to meet her..
we had a great morning and day of making out and club hoping & blowjobs...that went on all day and i fell asleep at her house....
i wake up in the morning with her climbing on to me kissing but i feel hard stubble , i open my eyes he hadnt shaved he was dressed in male cloths , had his wigg off and was in his day to day state which was male and i was never more turned off in my entire life ....i explained though my nuasea i thought of him as a female that just had a dick not at all a male and there was NO way i could ever mess with him even if he dressed back up ,,the male traits had totally changed things and i could never look at him as female again....he was crying saying he would change back that it was the best day of his life , that he loved me and would start taking hormoans and get surgery (boob job)...but i couldnt do it after seeing him in a male light....

it was sad cuz i really like her and we clicked and he had a completely female personality but visibliy he woke me up as a male WHICH IM NOT AT ALL ATTRACTED TO

[youshouldtrythislol]

I don't think dating transwomen makes anyone gay, unless they are only dating the girl for what is between her legs. I don't think what is between a person's legs defines them as a person. I am attracted to a girls personality first, then her looks.

[giovanni_hotel]

It might not make you gay in the cultural and/or social sense of the word. But yeah, you are engaging in a homosexual encounter. That is, until they come up with some kind of chromosome transfer surgery for the girls... anything else is just semantics and feelings, (maybe a bit of silicone and hormone pills for the well funded) but chemically, dudes.

I never fucked a chromosome before. Gender and sexuality are so much more than genetic allocation, IMO.

Yeah, for the population at large, penis = man, but gradually there is a shift in some popular thinking that to write off a TG female as simply another kind of man isn't accurate

Femininity IMO has much more to do with the psyche of an individual; it's how they're wired emotionally and how they self-identify.

SUre, for most people unfamiliar with TG women, two penises attached to naked bodies in the bed together is a homosexual encounter, but at least for me, emotionally, chemically and sexually, the arousal is natural because it's here 'female-ness' that's turning me on.

Is it gay to find the concept of a woman with penis a powerful sexual stimulus?? Fags don't dig tgirls, they're strictly candy for straight identified men, mostly.

I get that there are guys on HA who gravitate towards the dick first, whether it's attached to a girl or body is irrelevant.
But as a man who grew up a red-blooded, homophobic, pussy on my mind 100% of the time str8 dude, it's the cute girl with her lovely clit that eventually chained me in.

It's funny because if there were outwardly female hermaphrodites with both a pussy AND a functional penis, but with the right chromosome combination, guys would be killing themselves to get with her and there would be less social stigma against them.

I get that people are gonna call you a faggot for being crazy about tgirls. So be it.
At this point, if a girl still considers me her 'man', then I'm cool.

[giovanni_hotel]

Swerve D, that's really sad!!!
That girl you were with IMO was a cross-dresser, not a transsexual. That's why I stay away from the CD/TV threads on HA because although they may be very pretty and feminine, it's not the same thing.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Sticking your penis in a dudes butt is a good place to start... putting a penis in your mouth is another...




We are attracted to what we can see... if a man is attracted to an hourglass figure, hairless face, painted nails, and long hair, then how can he be homosexual?

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I've fucked/been fucked by men, woman, trans... I'm totally a gay, homo, hetero nothing in particular.

The sex I've had with men is by and large gay homo fairy sex - no question.
If and when I settle down with a girl for the long haul, monogamous relationship I will then be having straight sex. It's just that simple. (I never said 'after the business' either - if that's the case then I suppose bisexual would be an apt term. I don't pay attention to the nomenclature I just like picking on people who do.)


OK let me play devils advocate here.. Since you consider it homosexual encounters and you said that you plan to have a relationship with a woman after you're done with the business.. It's obvious that you love homosexual sex so how are you going to pull this off after having all those dicks in your mouth and ass, are you going to just quite cold turkey and switch roles? ????

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Like I said - feelings and semantics. Nuff said.


I never fucked a chromosome before. Gender and sexuality are so much more than genetic allocation, IMO.

Yeah, for the population at large, penis = man, but gradually there is a shift in some popular thinking that to write off a TG female as simply another kind of man isn't accurate

Femininity IMO has much more to do with the psyche of an individual; it's how they're wired emotionally and how they self-identify.

SUre, for most people unfamiliar with TG women, two penises attached to naked bodies in the bed together is a homosexual encounter, but at least for me, emotionally, chemically and sexually, the arousal is natural because it's here 'female-ness' that's turning me on.

Is it gay to find the concept of a woman with penis a powerful sexual stimulus?? Fags don't dig tgirls, they're strictly candy for straight identified men, mostly.

I get that there are guys on HA who gravitate towards the dick first, whether it's attached to a girl or body is irrelevant.
But as a man who grew up a red-blooded, homophobic, pussy on my mind 100% of the time str8 dude, it's the cute girl with her lovely clit that eventually chained me in.

It's funny because if there were outwardly female hermaphrodites with both a pussy AND a functional penis, but with the right chromosome combination, guys would be killing themselves to get with her and there would be less social stigma against them.

I get that people are gonna call you a faggot for being crazy about tgirls. So be it.
At this point, if a girl still considers me her 'man', then I'm cool.

[rockabilly]

You never fucked a chromosone?

Hit that shit bro , pop that membrane w/ your protons and electrons , split that atom yo!

[bte]

I have dated a couple of transwomen in the past, and I didn't really see anything gay about it. She was a woman first and foremost and it didn't matter that she had a penis in between her legs. She viewed herself as a woman and not as man, therefore there was nothing gay about relationship.

On the other hand, I had a relationship with a transman before and that was very gay, but he identified himself a man, although he still had a vagina.

[giovanni_hotel]

you never fucked a chromosone?

Hit that shit bro , pop that membrane w/ your protons and electrons , split that atom yo!

lolol!!........

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You never fucked a chromosone?

Hit that shit bro , pop that membrane w/ your protons and electrons , split that atom yo!

I don't think he understands Rock. It's not fucking a chromosome that makes him gay.

It's the dude butt.

[sdman]

I've fucked/been fucked by men, woman, trans... I'm totally a gay, homo, hetero nothing in particular.

The sex I've had with men is by and large gay homo fairy sex - no question.
If and when I settle down with a girl for the long haul, monogamous relationship I will then be having straight sex. It's just that simple. (I never said 'after the business' either - if that's the case then I suppose bisexual would be an apt term. I don't pay attention to the nomenclature I just like picking on people who do.)


I just dont see it working out like that jamiecoxx! For one you're a tranny who loves cock in your ass and having sex with men so I for one am not by9ing this monogamous relationship with a woman bullshit. I seen you in action before you seem to be more on the submissive side that gets dominated by men a woman is not going to be able to satify someone like you and do you plan of reverting back to a man because most women wont have a relationship with a tranny. A straight woman is going to want a man and a gay woman is going to want a lesbo.

[giovanni_hotel]

In a perfect world Jamie, do you feel more 'you' identifying as a female, or a man, or does it really make no difference??

[sdman]

I don't think he understands Rock. It's not fucking a chromosome that makes him gay.

It's the dude butt.


Jamie I have to wonder why did you even bother becomming a tranny reading your responses?

[tslvr]

Gay, bi, straight? Aren't all these lines getting blurred by society in general today?

For me, the sad part is that I would love to go out on a regular date with a t-girl and see where things go, but most of the girls say to go on a date with her costs money.

[giovanni_hotel]

I don't think he understands Rock. It's not fucking a chromosome that makes him gay.

It's the dude butt.

BTW, so ALL str8 men who fuck their wives/gfs in the ass are 'GAY'??

Thanks for that clarification, Jamie. Now I know.:geek:

[bte]

Gay, bi, straight? Aren't all these lines getting blurred by society in general today?

For me, the sad part is that I would love to go out on a regular date with a t-girl and see where things go, but most of the girls say to go on a date with her costs money.

Doesn't going on a date in general cost money? You just have to find a girl who is not an escort.

[bte]

BTW, so ALL str8 men who fuck their wives/gfs in the ass are 'GAY'??

Thanks for that clarification, Jamie. Now I know.:geek:

Jamie said "dude's butt" not girl's butt.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

BTW, so ALL str8 men who fuck their wives/gfs in the ass are 'GAY'??

Thanks for that clarification, Jamie. Now I know.:geek:

Must have missed the part where I said DUDE butt.

[giovanni_hotel]

Yeah, I was confused. From now on I'll put you in the 'yes' column that thinks any man who has sex with TGs is gay.
At first I thought you were referring to the sex act, instead of suggesting that transwomen are really just dudes in an advanced state of drag.

You're not the first, or last.

[bte]

Are there guys out there who really think transwomen are just dudes in an advanced state of drag?

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Anybody that refers to themselves as a T-girl, tranny, shemale or any other porn term is dating as a business model. (Exceptions to this rule are rare enough that your chances are negligible at best) Really want to find a relationship with a trans woman? Find one that wants to have it removed as soon as humanly possible and would never refer to themselves as anything other than a woman. This whole porn thing has got a lot of guys confusing fantasy with reality. 15 years ago we didn't even really exist - All of this has been made possible by the magic of the internet and it's ability to desensitize you to the point that trannies have become your last true hope of masturbatory excitement. - Comeone ya'll - you're on a porn forum for krimeny's sake!


Doesn't going on a date in general cost money? You just have to find a girl who is not an escort.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Not necessarily gay - but definitely periodically homo.


Yeah, I was confused. From now on I'll put you in the 'yes' column that thinks any man who has sex with TGs is gay.
At first I thought you were referring to the sex act, instead of suggesting that transwomen are really just dudes in an advanced state of drag.

You're not the first, or last.

[sdman]

OK I think its about time everybody started ignoring jamiecoxx hes obviously just a boy who gets his kicks out of being a crossdressor and sucking cocks!

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

(Pretty much - very few girls have that legitimate medical condition which causes gender fuck-uppery - it's a head and heart game for the majority but most definitely not medical.)


Are there guys out there who really think transwomen are just dudes in an advanced state of drag?

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

And?

Suckin' cock builds character and if your any good at it you don't have to hold down a day job!


OK I think its about time everybody started ignoring jamiecoxx hes obviously just a boy who gets his kicks out of being a crossdressor and sucking cocks!

[rockabilly]

You did say dude butt Jamie lol.

God bless the internet , may it's pipes always be clean.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You did say dude butt Jamie lol.

God bless the internet , may it's pipes always be clean.

The internet? Clean pipes? Not as long as there are sinners like me around!

Just kidding, I don't believe in god.

[Jericho]

(Pretty much - very few girls have that legitimate medical condition which causes gender fuck-uppery - it's a head and heart game for the majority but most definitely not medical.)


Hmmmm, interesting.

[TheToon]

I've got to say though Jamie has a point, if I was dating him/her I probably would consider myself gay.
Funny he's obviously here to sell his website with his user name then goes about trying to insult everyone on here, not smart business sense iyam.

[giovanni_hotel]

Multiple facial plastic surgeries, electrolysis, regular hormone treatments, cosmetic breast augmentation...to refer to that as 'gender fuck-uppery' or to minimize it as a 'head and heart game' - game, as in, a self-delusion - sounds a little harsh.

I think it's possible to find people who go through the process of gender re-assignment yet simply prefer not to castrate themselves and have a faux-vagina constructed that will never menstruate, never have kids, and can't orgasm.

The penis for these individuals is merely an appendage, not identity.

[rockabilly]

And?

Suckin' cock builds character and if your any good at it you don't have to hold down a day job!

Jamie can suck mine , my character is a human thief w/ a +5 to backstab , +10 to sneak and +15 to sexual charisma.

[sdman]

(Pretty much - very few girls have that legitimate medical condition which causes gender fuck-uppery - it's a head and heart game for the majority but most definitely not medical.)

And now youre trying to say that youre qualified to speak for all tranny medical conditions? And were supossed to beleive that youre capable of having a monogous relationship with a real woman? LOL

[swerve d]

it seems like people on this forum think if you want to suck a cock on a female your gay...i like a dick as much as a pussy if its on what looks and acts like a female....
i've read t-girls on here saying its a turn off if a guy there hooking up with wants to suck there cock cuz it means there gay, thats absurd ...you couldnt pay me to suck a dick of guys who girl consider the hottest guys on the planet

in other words i wouldnt suck the dick of anyone on the peoples top 100 hottest guys....but on a beautiful looking t-girl i word worship it

[sdman]

I've got to say though Jamie has a point, if I was dating him/her I probably would consider myself gay.
Funny he's obviously here to sell his website with his user name then goes about trying to insult everyone on here, not smart business sense iyam.

Well I would never date soemone like him to start with. He's a total turn off and i'm not into masculine looking tranny or club kids or boys with hair extensions. His attitude is so fucked up I wonder why did he even waste his money pretending he's actually a tranny?

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Identity?
Man - I'm thirty one years old... I don't give a nickles worth of shits about nebulous terms such as 'identity' - it's facts or nothin' - I just ain't got the time for anything else.

Come on you humorless goat - let's make up and start ourselves a big squishy queer pile...

Rock - as always, you continue to live up to your name.


http://skullcandymedia.com/free.jpg


Multiple facial plastic surgeries, electrolysis, regular hormone treatments, cosmetic breast augmentation...to refer to that as 'gender fuck-uppery' or to minimize it as a 'head and heart game' - game, as in, a self-delusion - sounds a little harsh.

I think it's possible to find people who go through the process of gender re-assignment yet simply prefer not to castrate themselves and have a faux-vagina constructed that will never menstruate, never have kids, and can't orgasm.

The penis for these individuals is merely an appendage, not identity.

[swerve d]

were not fooled in to thinking you as a t-girl are completely female , most if not all guys who like t-girls like girls with pussy or dick,, maybe one a little more than the other but to me its pretty equal ....maybe even a dick a little more ....pussy can stink sometimes and isnt as asthteticaly sp? pleasing

[rockabilly]

I hope my name is pleasing , I like putting smiles on faces.

[swerve d]

oh and jamie would be gorgeous if she got here teeth fixed but its a turn off you consider yourself male

[bte]

were not fooled in to thinking you as a t-girl are completely female , most if not all guys who like t-girls like girls with pussy or dick,, maybe one a little more than the other but to me its pretty equal ....maybe even a dick a little more ....pussy can stink sometimes and isnt as asthteticaly sp? pleasing

Some dicks stink too.

[sdman]

Yeah that's such a major turn off!

[youshouldtrythislol]

I may not agree with Jamie's opinions, but its her right to have them, there is no need to start attacking her as some have done.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You still don't get it do you? See that little logo at the bottom of the picture I just posted? The thing that says T-Girl? You do get the fact that a company hired me as a model for that web site and that the term T-Girl is a MARKETING TERM - There is NO SUCH THING! All of this has been set up to get you're money! YOU are making it a real thing which is exactly how we keep getting your money. Businessmen planted the seeds knowing full well that you would run with it. Why do you think this forum exists in the first place? This isn't a support group for people who are actually suffering from the trauma the comes along with true gender dysmorphia. What a maroon.


were not fooled in to thinking you as a t-girl are completely female , most if not all guys who like t-girls like girls with pussy or dick,, maybe one a little more than the other but to me its pretty equal ....maybe even a dick a little more ....pussy can stink sometimes and isnt as asthteticaly sp? pleasing

[swerve d]

Some dicks stink too.

balls can stink ...but straight out a shower and freshly douched a pussy can still stink (its a hole to your interior body,, where a dick is just exterior skin)

a dick freshly showered doesnt stink, cant say the same for pussy

[giovanni_hotel]

You're hott Jamie, but still slumming on the TG side of town. This is strictly part-time for you, in fact your gender 'identity' is none of the above. You're a sexual cipher, a chameleon with a cock, and if I saw you in 5 years, you very easily could be sporting suspenders and a mustache with a baby tote strapped to your chest.

For some guys that fine, but I prefer a bit more commitment.

[swerve d]

You still don't get it do you? See that little logo at the bottom of the picture I just posted? The thing that says T-Girl? You do get the fact that a company hired me as a model for that web site and that the term T-Girl is a MARKETING TERM - There is NO SUCH THING! All of this has been set up to get you're money! YOU are making it a real thing which is exactly how we keep getting your money. Businessmen planted the seeds knowing full well that you would run with it. Why do you think this forum exists in the first place? This isn't a support group for people who are actually suffering from the trauma the comes along with true gender dysmorphia. What a maroon.

for one thing i just wrtoe t-girl cuz it was quick i dont know the origins of the term...
and everyone is write you have a really bad attitude , i've never paid any money to any t-site including yours but still managed to have a vid of yours and get off so ha...i fucked you without having to pay shit
and how are you gonna call someone stupid and miss spell moron ? haahaa
i could never date your masculin acting ass sorry and im prob. the hottest straight guy youve ever had the pleasure of writing to

[swerve d]

You're hott Jamie, but still slumming on the TG side of town. This is strictly part-time for you, in fact your gender 'identity' is none of the above. You're a sexual cipher, a chameleon with a cock, and if I saw you in 5 years, you very easily could be sporting suspenders and a mustache with a baby tote strapped to your chest.

For some guys that fine, but I prefer a bit more commitment.

for real , your "chameleon with a cock" attitude is the reason people dont accept trannies as girls like some of us guys do , you put shame to the term and to the girls who know that there female inside and mostly outside

i feel bad having ever even pleasured myself to you , i thought you had a sweet female attitude ...your just a douchebag dude i'll make shure to spread that info

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I've been at it for 5 years now, lost a relationship over it, have my own post production and A/V company that handles accounts for every company whose videos you've ever jerked off to. I'm constantly shooting and have five more years worth of videos and photos cached for my own website. (And I'm STILL shooting) I'm not going anywhere but up and there's nothing you can do about it. Call me all the names you want but I garuantee you my life is much more interesting and care free than yours will ever be. You were born to die angry bro.



You're hott Jamie, but still slumming on the TG side of town. This is strictly part-time for you, in fact your gender 'identity' is none of the above. You're a sexual cipher, a chameleon with a cock, and if I saw you in 5 years, you very easily could be sporting suspenders and a mustache with a baby tote strapped to your chest.

For some guys that fine, but I prefer a bit more commitment.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Retard... I didn't misspell moron... I spelled MAROON... it's an old term that means idiot.

Watch more bugs bunny.

And by all means - watch the hell out of the videos you have - those are all the old crusty scenes from my old website. Have at 'em.


for one thing i just wrtoe t-girl cuz it was quick i dont know the origins of the term...
and everyone is write you have a really bad attitude , i've never paid any money to any t-site including yours but still managed to have a vid of yours and get off so ha...i fucked you without having to pay shit
and how are you gonna call someone stupid and miss spell moron ? haahaa
i could never date your masculin acting ass sorry and im prob. the hottest straight guy youve ever had the pleasure of writing to

[goku]

for one thing i just wrtoe t-girl cuz it was quick i dont know the origins of the term...
and everyone is write you have a really bad attitude , i've never paid any money to any t-site including yours but still managed to have a vid of yours and get off so ha...i fucked you without having to pay shit
and how are you gonna call someone stupid and miss spell moron ? haahaa
i could never date your masculin acting ass sorry and im prob. the hottest straight guy youve ever had the pleasure of writing to


"Maroon" is a play on the word moron. It dates back probably 70 years or so.

Truthfully, J-Coxx is one funny mo-fo. She/he(as I am not sure what to say here) is adding quite a bit of comedy to this thread intentionally, while giving her solid opinion on the subject. Some people here get wayyy too angry about some words on the internet. Especially when said words are coming from someone who's face is plastered across the world identifying herself as a Tgirl. Which means not only does she have more knowledge on the subject, but has gone through a hell of a lot than any one of us guys have.

You are inclined to respectfully disagree with her take, but her take is really no different than the take you will get when you walk in the house and introduce your tgirl to your family at Thanksgiving. If you are truly interested in dating a Tgirl, then be ready to have this be the norm.

[giovanni_hotel]

Unfortunately, HA brings in all types. I don't dislike Jamie, but sometimes I forget he's not here because he sees himself as a transgendered woman.

Jamie is about making that gold coin, and if he can sucker a few gullible men into believing he's really TG and not a cross-dresser, mo' money....mo' money!!

However, TG is not an invented porno industry term, despite the aggressive marketing of this niche. And I'd say the majority of the girls here are GIRLS and not hustling to exploit the lust guys on HA have for tgirls.

[rockabilly]

She called you a maroon it's like a moron only more.

I thought this was a support forum for guys who like tg's ?

We post pics and share our experiences and talk about our feelings ...... is it just me them?

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

You see - this guy gets it. My members are people that are mostly made up of folks like him which is why you'll never have the satisfaction of seeing me fail.


"Maroon" is a play on the word moron. It dates back probably 70 years or so.

Truthfully, J-Coxx is one funny mo-fo. She/he(as I am not sure what to say here) is adding quite a bit of comedy to this thread intentionally, while giving her solid opinion on the subject. Some people here get wayyy too angry about some words on the internet. Especially when said words are coming from someone who's face is plastered across the world identifying herself as a Tgirl. Which means not only does she have more knowledge on the subject, but has gone through a hell of a lot than any one of us guys have.

You are inclined to respectfully disagree with her take, but her take is really no different than the take you will get when you walk in the house and introduce your tgirl to your family at Thanksgiving. If you are truly interested in dating a Tgirl, then be ready to have this be the norm.

[giovanni_hotel]

Yeah goku, except that Jamie is not T. He's working a hustle, a very profitable one, but nonetheless one he doesn't really believe in.

Like a pot dealer who doesn't smoke because he's morally opposed to the use of marijuana.

To him, this is all a house of mirrors and one big freak show populated by a village of idiot str8 men who wanna suck cock.

Carry on.

[bte]

. And I'd say the majority of the girls here are GIRLS and not hustling to exploit the lust guys on HA have for tgirls.

Doesn't the majority of the girls post here to advertise their site or promote their escort activities? True they post and contribute in topics that are not sexual in nature, but they still advertise themselves and exploit the lust guys on HA have for tgirls.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

If I didn't believe in what I do I would have remained engaged. You're pot head analogy is screwy as well. I go above and beyond the call of duty when it comes to making all of this work. You just happen to run into a performer that utilizes a multisyllabic vernacular rather than twitter off with a bunch of 'hehe's" & LOL's like some putz. I don't speak in that false, cutesy fashion that so many models are fond of (talk about putting on an act) and when someone asks a question, my thoughts are years in the making - you won't get bullshit from me... if that's what makes me less femme than the rest, fuck it - I'll be less femme than the rest.

Also. My avatar is staring directly at your dongus.


Yeah goku, except that Jamie is not T. He's working a hustle, a very profitable one, but nonetheless one he doesn't really believe in.

Like a pot dealer who doesn't smoke because he's morally opposed to the use of marijuana.

To him, this is all a house of mirrors and one big freak show populated by a village of idiot str8 men who wanna suck cock.

Carry on.

[goku]

Yeah goku, except that Jamie is not T. He's working a hustle, a very profitable one, but nonetheless one he doesn't really believe in.

Like a pot dealer who doesn't smoke because he's morally opposed to the use of marijuana.

To him, this is all a house of mirrors and one big freak show populated by a village of idiot str8 men who wanna suck cock.

Carry on.


lol, I know, but that is also the same take everyone outside of the 5 of us on here and the full time girls have.


Walk up to a grou[ of guys on the street and tell them you are straight, but you are fucking a tgirl. After they ask what a tgirl is, then you will get a whole bunch of slurs for gay people, followed by them directing your ass away from them.

J-Coxx is telling you the same thing that the rest of society is going to say..."If you are fucking a human being with a dick, then you are gay".

While I am firmly secure in the fact that I am only attracted to the female form, I understand that the world sees it that way. I stated this before. I have been offered dick by many a dude in my life. Sometimes it has come in a situation where I was out of town, and no one would know if I did it. Even this forum offers a place where a person's identity is conceiled, and they can admit to things that they would never in the real world. I can honestly say that I never felt tempted to have sex with a human being who was obviously a man. Just not attracted to that form. That is enough for me.

[TsVanessa69]

I think he's asking what's feminine about a tgirl topping a guy. :shrug
A tgirl is still a girl, is a female less of a woman becuase she used a strap on to fuck her man.
those that protest in public overindulge in private

[tsparisangelline]

I don't mean to pick on any one person, but human sexuality is much more complicated than the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. The genetics involved in secondary sexual characteristics is very complex. Thus, there is a wide variety or spectrum of human sexuality that can observed in everyday social encounters, and not those just on this board.

We are attracted to what we can see... if a man is attracted to an hourglass figure, hairless face, painted nails, and long hair, then how can he be homosexual?

As for who bottoms and who tops, as was mentioned in the beginning of the thread, that would seem to be more a question of dominance and submission, not sexuality or gender.

Hey, whatta you know? Beating a dead horse can be fun.

can i use this?

[swerve d]

You see - this guy gets it. My members are people that are mostly made up of folks like him which is why you'll never have the satisfaction of seeing me fail.

so you "dissing" me with term that hasnt been used in decades , way to keep your disrespect relevant
your so clever you had to jack something from the 20's ...wait no i guess that makes you "hip" your def. not a "square" ....lame ass

after you and these guys discribing the type of tranny you are , i understand now , your just a twisted whore...thats way better

you hustle your tricks quite well , most classless tranny EVER

[tsparisangelline]

I never fucked a chromosome before. Gender and sexuality are so much more than genetic allocation, IMO.

Yeah, for the population at large, penis = man, but gradually there is a shift in some popular thinking that to write off a TG female as simply another kind of man isn't accurate

Femininity IMO has much more to do with the psyche of an individual; it's how they're wired emotionally and how they self-identify.

SUre, for most people unfamiliar with TG women, two penises attached to naked bodies in the bed together is a homosexual encounter, but at least for me, emotionally, chemically and sexually, the arousal is natural because it's here 'female-ness' that's turning me on.

Is it gay to find the concept of a woman with penis a powerful sexual stimulus?? Fags don't dig tgirls, they're strictly candy for straight identified men, mostly.

I get that there are guys on HA who gravitate towards the dick first, whether it's attached to a girl or body is irrelevant.
But as a man who grew up a red-blooded, homophobic, pussy on my mind 100% of the time str8 dude, it's the cute girl with her lovely clit that eventually chained me in.

It's funny because if there were outwardly female hermaphrodites with both a pussy AND a functional penis, but with the right chromosome combination, guys would be killing themselves to get with her and there would be less social stigma against them.

I get that people are gonna call you a faggot for being crazy about tgirls. So be it.
At this point, if a girl still considers me her 'man', then I'm cool.


can i use this?

[giovanni_hotel]

bte, it's one thing to be a TG working in the sex trade. But it's an entirely different scenario to be a cross-dresser who's duping willfully gullible men by showing them what they want to see.

If you're on a college campus, say the UT at Austin, at a party, and some killa hot soror comes up to you and asks, 'do you play on the football team', the implication being that her pussy is for jocks only, a smart man will lie to get that pussy.

Why, yes I am, hon. I'm the All American starting QB.

At some level, all hustles are the same. Some are more a fair trade than others, while others are a straight jack move - a stickup without a gun.

Jamie has a nice hustle working. Like I said, sometimes I forget that she's strictly in client procurement mode whenever she logs onto HA.

Others are too, but Jamie's game is selling parsley, not that Humboldt kind flo-green bud.

[swerve d]

can i use this?

now this is a girl , a gorgeous one , i would take her out , open doors for her and she would appreciate it like the woman she is not some "hustling" slut/man-whore

[bte]

This has certainly been an interesting topic. Probably the most interesting topic that I have seen on HA in awhile.

[giovanni_hotel]

Yeah, use it Paris. And stop dissing bruhs who wanna get with you professionally.;)

[TsVanessa69]

can i use this?
I agree.
I have an hourglass shape, hairless face and body, but you know even before any procedures, I dated 100% straight men.
Being a woman is more than physical, its mental and emotional as well.
People on tranny forums sometimes live internet lives and not reality. So not having a clue about real live they wanna all a dude who deals with ts gay.
Im ts, and NONE of my dude were gay and never will be gay.
My men like dime piece ts and gg.
Nothin gay about that!

Glad you responded the way you did, but yeat beatin a dead horse, well, some on here will continue to do so no matter what.

[tsparisangelline]

now this is a girl , a gorgeous one , i would take her out , open doors for her and she would appreciate it like the woman she is not some "hustling" slut/man-whore

awww thanks hun but i am an escort lol

[goku]

awww thanks hun but i am an escort lol


Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

[goku]

I agree.
I have an hourglass shape, hairless face and body, but you know even before any procedures, I dated 100% straight men.
Being a woman is more than physical, its mental and emotional as well.
People on tranny forums sometimes live internet lives and not reality. So not having a clue about real live they wanna all a dude who deals with ts gay.
Im ts, and NONE of my dude were gay and never will be gay.
My men like dime piece ts and gg.
Nothin gay about that!

Glad you responded the way you did, but yeat beatin a dead horse, well, some on here will continue to do so no matter what.


What happens is, you get a new crop of board members who start up this topic, and for the members that have been on here for a long time(4000 posts), this is time number 25 they have seen this topic.

So many people are coming to terms with themselves each time. Me, I identify as straight, but I get how the world thinks. I am man enough about mine not to care. I know I am not interested in men, so that's what matters to me.

[swerve d]

awww thanks hun but i am an escort lol

i know your an escort i've read your post , but im shure your have a life outside of those "dates" and that what im talking about
outside of your work your a beautiful girl who wants to be treated like a lady

so on a hypothetical real date i would treat you like a the woman you are

a beautiful tranny would would have to be stupid not to capitalize off it , but you handle it with class ....
and emotionally and mostly physically are a woman

[TsVanessa69]

awww thanks hun but i am an escort lol
:party::party::party::party:
This lames in here say the stupidest things. No wonder girls don't give them play.
Escorting is a job, plain and simple.
And the dudes who call us sluts and whores are the same dudes who can't get pussy unless they paid or they fuck butt ugly chicks that don't look as good as we do.
HA, gotta love it!

[tsparisangelline]

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

dont qoute me nigga

[giovanni_hotel]

I haven't been here as long as some, but yes I have seen this thread re-generate a few times.
I forgot about where Jamie was coming from that's all. Like I've said, I dig Jamie, but he was right when he called himself a 'performer', I prefer the term illusionist.

[traLika]

It might have been interesting to have included a poll with this thread to see what a larger cross section of HA thinks.

Something along the lines of...

Are men who date transwomen gay?

A - Yes
B - No
C - Some are and some aren't
D - Don't know

[tsparisangelline]

i know your an escort i've read your post , but im shure your have a life outside of those "dates" and that what im talking about
outside of your work your a beautiful girl who wants to be treated like a lady

so on a hypothetical real date i would treat you like a the woman you are

a beautiful tranny would would have to be stupid not to capitalize off it , but you handle it with class ....
and emotionally and mostly physically are a woman

to be honest im 24/7 on the job currently

since i am trying to leave the game prior to me turning the age of 23

[rockabilly]

:party::party::party::party:
This lames in here say the stupidest things. No wonder girls don't give them play.
Escorting is a job, plain and simple.
And the dudes who call us sluts and whores are the same dudes who can't get pussy unless they paid or they fuck butt ugly chicks that don't look as good as we do.
HA, gotta love it!

That's what paper bags are for Nessa , and in the dark everyone's a 10.

[goku]

dont qoute me nigga



lol...... come on Paris!

You have to agree the timing of that was perfect.

[TsVanessa69]

That's what paper bags are for Nessa , and in the dark everyone's a 10.
So how are things going with the girl you met on here. You told me you guys were looking for a place together, did you find it yet?

[tsparisangelline]

lol...... come on Paris!

You have to agree the timing of that was perfect.

nope i disagree :fu:

[swerve d]

So how are things going with the girl you met on here. You told me you guys were looking for a place together, did you find it yet?

i wasnt saying you girls that escort or have sites sluts or whores ,
i was saying jamie's philosophy on it and her overall attitude makes her one and a despicable one at that

[goku]

nope i disagree :fu:


Okay, well you know what you can do with that finger! lol

[tsparisangelline]

Okay, well you know what you can do with that finger! lol

its already done i was looking at your pics :geek:

[rockabilly]

Things are super , found a nice fixer upper and are happy thanks for asking. ^_^

I sold my Star Wars collection , original Transformers , He-Man complete first series figures , Comic collection , my dads baseball cards , Star Trek 12 in figures , Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards , Marvel Masterpiece and Hologram cards ... oh and my Final Fantasy 7 box set action figures and Halloween Chromium variant cover comic .... totally worth it.

[swerve d]

nope i disagree :fu:

so no love life at all , thats sad ....i would love to take you out on real date and treat you like the princess you are.....and not because i'm gay, or some taboo factor, or the fact you have a cock like ol' boy jamie would imply....but because your are a stunning GIRL and you seem to have an adorable FEMALE personality

[swerve d]

I sold my Star Wars collection , original Transformers , He-Man complete first series figures , Comic collection , my dads baseball cards , Star Trek 12 in figures , Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards , Marvel Masterpiece and Hologram cards ... oh and my Final Fantasy 7 box set action figures and Halloween Chromium variant cover comic .... totally worth it.

__ year old old virgin

[swerve d]

its already done i was looking at your pics :geek:

and im not saying this because im trying to screw you (obviously) but you have the prettiest face of any tranny i've ever seen , one of the hottest overall GIRLS I've ever seen ..looking at just your face pic makes me melt.....that dude jamie must be soo jealous ...thats prob why he still claims a "male" who just hustles guy who like dick but think there not gay , cuz he never will look like a beautiful women like you

[goku]

its already done i was looking at your pics :geek:

Hahaha!!

Let me fill you in. That's what grown-ass educated niggas with 401ks and corporate jobs look like. Sorry I don't fit your taste. Good try on the read though.

Damn shame though. Niggas try to do what's right. Go to college, get a good job, and here you come...lol. No hard feelings though. Like I said, I'm a man about mine. You do you, and I will do me. See you in the passing. I'll still tip my fitted!

[rockabilly]

__ year old old virgin

That's old news lol.

Oh and i found a buyer for my X-Files movie action figures , on the big blister square cards not the trimmed down re-releases.
But i held onto my Jay and Silent Bob figures and my Mego Captain America doll (the price will double when the movie comes out) and metal Thundercats lunchbox w/ thermos.

[LittleGuy]

Hahaha!!

Let me fill you in. That's what grown-ass educated niggas with 401ks and corporate jobs look like. Sorry I don't fit your taste. Good try on the read though.

Damn shame though. Niggas try to do what's right. Go to college, get a good job, and here you come...lol. No hard feelings though. Like I said, I'm a man about mine. You do you, and I will do me. See you in the passing. I'll still tip my fitted!

good luck on finding a ts that likes black men.

[tsparisangelline]

Hahaha!!

Let me fill you in. That's what grown-ass educated niggas with 401ks and corporate jobs look like. Sorry I don't fit your taste. Good try on the read though.

Damn shame though. Niggas try to do what's right. Go to college, get a good job, and here you come...lol. No hard feelings though. Like I said, I'm a man about mine. You do you, and I will do me. See you in the passing. I'll still tip my fitted!

i still grabbed the dildo upon looking at your pics

and who knows i am from new braunfels and i visit my mom constantly i might just flip the bird when u tip that fitted lol

[tsparisangelline]

good luck on finding a ts that likes black men.

thats all i date in my personal life :party:

[tsparisangelline]

and im not saying this because im trying to screw you (obviously) but you have the prettiest face of any tranny i've ever seen , one of the hottest overall GIRLS I've ever seen ..looking at just your face pic makes me melt.....that dude jamie must be soo jealous ...thats prob why he still claims a "male" who just hustles guy who like dick but think there not gay , cuz he never will look like a beautiful women like you

awww thank u hun

[Coroner]

Man, you folks are completely fucked up. :lol:

[goku]

Man, you folks are completely fucked up. :lol:



lol Hell yeah!

Ain't it fun?

This is what you do when you are black, it's 100 degrees outside, and you are on vacation.

[swerve d]

thats all i date in my personal life :party:

thats all youve been dating or thats all you date period...why limit your self to one race?
are you only attracted to black guys? im a tall dark fit italian white guy , i wouldnt fit into youre catagory of datable or fuckable?

[tsparisangelline]

thats all youve been dating or thats all you date period...why limit your self to one race?
are you only attracted to black guys? im a tall dark fit italian white guy , i wouldnt fit into youre catagory of datable or fuckable?

i prefer what i prefer

otherwise im available for an appointment

[goku]

i still grabbed the dildo upon looking at your pics

and who knows i am from new braunfels and i visit my mom constantly i might just flip the bird when u tip that fitted lol

lol damn. I was just floating the river awhile back.


How the hell are you from New Braunfels and that pasty white? lol I mean, you are cute and all(as you well know), but the sun down there is treacherous! I should have known that was a Texas ass on you! I usually can spot them, but the fair skin was throwing me off a little.

For those that don't know, Paris is what Texas women are built like. Come on down, there is plenty room for everybody. lol

[Donkey]

For those that don't know, Paris is what Texas women are built like.
are you kidding me? ever seen her in person? she's built and looks like Ric Flair's biggest son. most Texas women ain't built like lumberjacks.

[tsparisangelline]

lol damn. I was just floating the river awhile back.


How the hell are you from New Braunfels and that pasty white? lol I mean, you are cute and all(as you well know), but the sun down there is treacherous! I should have known that was a Texas ass on you! I usually can spot them, but the fair skin was throwing me off a little.

For those that don't know, Paris is what Texas women are built like. Come on down, there is plenty room for everybody. lol

no they are not

im not a big outdoors person anymore

i use to be but not nemore lol

[swerve d]

are you kidding me? ever seen her in person? she's built and looks like Ric Flair's biggest son. most Texas women ain't built like lumberjacks.

she actually has curves , which sadly is a womanly trait alot of trannies lack

[tsparisangelline]

are you kidding me? ever seen her in person? she's built and looks like Ric Flair's biggest son. most Texas women ain't built like lumberjacks.

lmfao my camera pic speaks for itself hun

[youshouldtrythislol]

Never seen a lumberjack that looked like that. lol.

[JoePitt]

Walk up to a grou[ of guys on the street and tell them you are straight, but you are fucking a tgirl. After they ask what a tgirl is, then you will get a whole bunch of slurs for gay people, followed by them directing your ass away from them.

Then after you turn the corner and go out of sight, half of them will track you down and ask for her number.

[tsparisangelline]

she actually has curves , which sadly is a womanly trait alot of trannies lack

lmfao u dont even need to font him

my pictures and my upcoming video on youtube will take care of that

fyi i have a body video but my makeup was kinda messy so i never posted it

lol

[Donkey]

lmfao my camera pic speaks for itself hun
I fell for your lies in your ads and had an appt with you

you are an amazon and have a very small dick. stop lying and trying to trick people.

[tsparisangelline]

I fell for your lies in your ads and had an appt with you

you are an amazon and have a very small dick. stop lying and trying to trick people.

oh really now

http://tinychat.com/hungangels2

see for yourself people

[JoePitt]

BTW, can you guys stop the personal attacks on Jamie? She's entitled to her own opinion. What Swerve & Giovanni said is no different than Donkey's crap on Paris. All Jamie did was give her opinion and you guys took it personally and attacked HER and not the opinion. If you don't like her opinion, put her on ignore and you'll be free to live your live in peace and prosperity.

[DL_NL]

Geeez, amigay MCMXVIII. Yawn.

[Norma]

are men who date transwomen gay?

I hate answering questions with a question , but...


are transwomen who date guys, gay?

simple enough. if the girl considers herself a guy (even with hormones, surgeries), then it is a gay relationship. if the girl really considers herself a woman, then it is a straight relationship. It really depends on how the girl views herself/himself.

Now, the outside world, is full of shit anyways, so their labeling tendencies do not really matter.

[daltx_m]

First and for most I like jamie. Been with her and hope to do so again.
Second - i like trans girls strictly for sex. I'm not going to date one, I'm not going to marry one. I like sex. When I have sex with a transexual, I'm just there for the fun. Am I homosexual? Bi-Sexual? No, I'm just sexual. I think I'm going to adapt what Jamie said: "Not necessarily gay - but definitely periodically homo".
Peace!

[drock]

oh really now

http://tinychat.com/hungangels2

see for yourself people


Paris, you have one of the most feminine and beautiful faces and banging bodies that i've ever seen on a tranny..

Now let tell you something boo, the fact that you made your personal preferances known a lot of guys find that hard to swallow that someone as beautiful as you likes what you like.. Now if you were ugly and looked like a dude in a wig trust me nobody would give a damn what your prefence was, but you're not.. You're one of the hottest chicks in the game and hell i'd probably be pissed too if I was a white guy and heard your preference.. That's just the way some men are we tend to view women are ours even though you really ain't and never will be..

So basically what i'm saying is some of these guys are starting to hate on you not because you're ugly, but because you're beautiful and they find it hard to digest what you said.. :)

[rockabilly]

What , that she's cuckoo for cocoa cocks? :shrug

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Hey sweet - I'm assuming you had a good time then!



First and for most I like jamie. Been with her and hope to do so again.
Second - i like trans girls strictly for sex. I'm not going to date one, I'm not going to marry one. I like sex. When I have sex with a transexual, I'm just there for the fun. Am I homosexual? Bi-Sexual? No, I'm just sexual. I think I'm going to adapt what Jamie said: "Not necessarily gay - but definitely periodically homo".
Peace!

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Just for fun - here's some more homo pictures my homo detractors won't be jerking off to... ;)

http://skullcandymedia.com/e1.jpghttp://skullcandymedia.com/e2.jpghttp://skullcandymedia.com/e3.jpghttp://skullcandymedia.com/e4.jpg

[rockabilly]

No homo Jamie. lol

[daltx_m]

Hey sweet - I'm assuming you had a good time then!

Yes definately. You were very kind and that is why I'm a fan.

[russtafa]

i couldnt care less about what people think of me ,straight or gay?

[tsparisangelline]

Paris, you have one of the most feminine and beautiful faces and banging bodies that i've ever seen on a tranny..

Now let tell you something boo, the fact that you made your personal preferances known a lot of guys find that hard to swallow that someone as beautiful as you likes what you like.. Now if you were ugly and looked like a dude in a wig trust me nobody would give a damn what your prefence was, but you're not.. You're one of the hottest chicks in the game and hell i'd probably be pissed too if I was a white guy and heard your preference.. That's just the way some men are we tend to view women are ours even though you really ain't and never will be..

So basically what i'm saying is some of these guys are starting to hate on you not because you're ugly, but because you're beautiful and they find it hard to digest what you said.. :)

as i said before if they want to see me i have an advertisement online lol

business does not include my personal preference or the looks of the individual

hygiene and attitude determine how u will be treated during a session not how u look

[tsparisangelline]

Yeah, use it Paris. And stop dissing bruhs who wanna get with you professionally.;)

who did i diss?

[tsparisangelline]

I don't mean to pick on any one person, but human sexuality is much more complicated than the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. The genetics involved in secondary sexual characteristics is very complex. Thus, there is a wide variety or spectrum of human sexuality that can observed in everyday social encounters, and not those just on this board.

We are attracted to what we can see... if a man is attracted to an hourglass figure, hairless face, painted nails, and long hair, then how can he be homosexual?

As for who bottoms and who tops, as was mentioned in the beginning of the thread, that would seem to be more a question of dominance and submission, not sexuality or gender.

Hey, whatta you know? Beating a dead horse can be fun.


ur response was the best i have seen

i have to give u props ur extremely intelligent

[TSPornFan]

Sexual orrtation for attraction to transsexuals varies among men. Being a member on this forum and many T-Girl sites made me realize that a lot of these men are actually gay or bi-sexual. There are a few guys like myself who I see as straight. This is not bias for myself as I will explain

The gay/bi transsexual lovers are men who are exclusive or nearly exclusive to non-passable transsexuals. They are gay/bi because non-passable transsexuals are more masculine than feminine. Wearing women clothing is not enough to be passable. I will not name any pornstars directly. The majority of shemale pornstars on most American Shemale sites are non-passable T-girls, and some are very popular. What they are attracted to is mostly masculine and that is very homosexual.

The straight T-Girl fans such as myself are attracted to feminine T-Girls. These girls are almost completely feminine and are very passable. They look like real women. The ONLY masculine feature is the penis on the T-Girl. Mostly straight men we are attracted to all of the feminine features and the only masculine feature. They need a different label because there is nothing for this type of attraction.

[jamesedwards]

TsParis fuck it after you said all that, can I ask this? CAN I GET ON MY KNEES AND SUCK YOUR COCK? I don't give a fuck what others say or call me I know who I am and I love a sexy TG. It's like having a woman with a strapon permanently with real cum that skeets out that cock, yummmmmmmmy! SO CAN I?

[jamesedwards]

Sexual orrtation for attraction to transsexuals varies among men. Being a member on this forum and many T-Girl sites made me realize that a lot of these men are actually gay or bi-sexual. There are a few guys like myself who I see as straight. This is not bias for myself as I will explain

The gay/bi transsexual lovers are men who are exclusive or nearly exclusive to non-passable transsexuals. They are gay/bi because non-passable transsexuals are more masculine than feminine. Wearing women clothing is not enough to be passable. I will not name any pornstars directly. The majority of shemale pornstars on most American Shemale sites are non-passable T-girls, and some are very popular. What they are attracted to is mostly masculine and that is very homosexual.

The straight T-Girl fans such as myself are attracted to feminine T-Girls. These girls are almost completely feminine and are very passable. They look like real women. The ONLY masculine feature is the penis on the T-Girl. Mostly straight men we are attracted to all of the feminine features and the only masculine feature. They need a different label because there is nothing for this type of attraction.

got dam you explained that shit well. I am a straight guy because I love to see PASSABLE TG's where you can't tell they have a cock or not, but I know :) I don't do the masculent looking type, I like them like this:

http://i37.tinypic.com/308l56e.jpg

[traLika]

Sexual orrtation for attraction to transsexuals varies among men. Being a member on this forum and many T-Girl sites made me realize that a lot of these men are actually gay or bi-sexual. There are a few guys like myself who I see as straight. This is not bias for myself as I will explain

The gay/bi transsexual lovers are men who are exclusive or nearly exclusive to non-passable transsexuals. They are gay/bi because non-passable transsexuals are more masculine than feminine. Wearing women clothing is not enough to be passable. I will not name any pornstars directly. The majority of shemale pornstars on most American Shemale sites are non-passable T-girls, and some are very popular. What they are attracted to is mostly masculine and that is very homosexual.

The straight T-Girl fans such as myself are attracted to feminine T-Girls. These girls are almost completely feminine and are very passable. They look like real women. The ONLY masculine feature is the penis on the T-Girl. Mostly straight men we are attracted to all of the feminine features and the only masculine feature. They need a different label because there is nothing for this type of attraction.


I agree. It's obvious which tgirls attract str8s and which ones attract gays. I don't wanna offend anyone by mentioning names. Plus there are a few who I think appeal to both str8s and gays...

[jamesedwards]

Or this
http://i33.tinypic.com/2mn3yhc.jpg

[tsparisangelline]

TsParis fuck it after you said all that, can I ask this? CAN I GET ON MY KNEES AND SUCK YOUR COCK? I don't give a fuck what others say or call me I know who I am and I love a sexy TG. It's like having a woman with a strapon permanently with real cum that skeets out that cock, yummmmmmmmy! SO CAN I?

lol ur so silly

[LAKidd]

you like what you like
be happy...

Personally I don't care what you classify me as

it wasn't until the age of 19 or so, did I even discover this whole tgirl community...
WOW!!! It I was like I discovered porn for the first time

What originally attracted me to Tgirl was their femininity
the high heels, hair, makeup big breasts and big asses w/ wide hips

I still consider myself to be straight,
I still like pussy, probably always will
Im not in to gay porn at all
so at first I felt kinda weird for liking this
it took me like 2 year to have enough courage to have my first tgirl experience.
It was amazing I don't regret nothing

As for the why do I like a Chick with a dick thing...
Idk?.. WHO CARES???

I believe Men have a livelong fascination with their own cocks
I Know I cant speak for everybody
but I can speak for myself...

If you could blow yourself you would right?
but think about it...

I am circumcised
and I pefer tgirls who are also circumcised
from what I noticed
most guys who are uncircumcised
are attracted to tgirls at are also uncircumcised

IDK... anyways its just a theory...

I can say this I differently prefer feminine tgirls over masculine tgirls.
the whole Bodybuilder type w/ a strap on totally grosses me out
but everybody is different if thats your thing cool
what ever makes you happy

[giovanni_hotel]

got dam you explained that shit well. I am a straight guy because I love to see PASSABLE TG's where you can't tell they have a cock or not, but I know :) I don't do the masculent looking type, I like them like this:

http://i37.tinypic.com/308l56e.jpg




You know you posted a pic of a GG, right??
If all TGs rocked it like her, we'd see declining birth rates in the U.S.A.!!lol

[SAAdmirer]

can i use this?

By all means

[Beaner]

I agree. It's obvious which tgirls attract str8s and which ones attract gays. I don't wanna offend anyone by mentioning names. Plus there are a few who I think appeal to both str8s and gays...

Oh there are a lot of them that do.

[Beaner]

lol ur so silly


Id love to suck your cock too lol

[traLika]

Oh there are a lot of them that do.


I agree. "a few" was the wrong choice of words.

[sdman]

If I didn't believe in what I do I would have remained engaged. You're pot head analogy is screwy as well. I go above and beyond the call of duty when it comes to making all of this work. You just happen to run into a performer that utilizes a multisyllabic vernacular rather than twitter off with a bunch of 'hehe's" & LOL's like some putz. I don't speak in that false, cutesy fashion that so many models are fond of (talk about putting on an act) and when someone asks a question, my thoughts are years in the making - you won't get bullshit from me... if that's what makes me less femme than the rest, fuck it - I'll be less femme than the rest.

Also. My avatar is staring directly at your dongus.

You probably didnt remain engaged because lets face it most real women are never going to marry someone like you jamie.

[TsVanessa69]

Or this
http://i33.tinypic.com/2mn3yhc.jpg
How come you guys posted pics of females?
Not all transexuals look like females.
I look like a transexual, so does that mean I don't stand a chance with any of you guys?? Lol

[eze]

Clearly liking TS can't be qualified as 100% straight.

There's no real way to describe, TS have dicks. Dicks are for men, but when you have gorgeous TS who look absolutely amazing, and you are attracted to them, that's being straight even knowing she has a cock. It's just different.


To me though being full blown gay, is like men, regular mustache joe blow type guy.

Also, I think it's more gay to fuck Buck Angel, than it is to fuck Jennifer Paris.

I consider TS women with something extra. I think of it like being 75% straight or something. Part bi..lol.

Whatever it is, Im happy with it. I like GGs and TS's. I like femininity. I love women. Simple. Cock or no cock. Doesn't matter. I consider myself like 80% straight. Cause, I like TS's who have a cock.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I didn't remain engaged for two very important reasons.

1. I was in a four year relationship with a girl who is 9 years my junior. It was retarded to even think that marrying a 21 year old was a good move. Nobody kept me from my twenties and tying her down wouldn't have been kosher, just territorial on my part.

2. I have lofty goals which require a fair amount of capital. In order to keep myself afloat, run a recording studio and post production house along with producing web content that isn't bush league solo crap we had to make a decision about how I was going to make my money and how just how much time that was going to eat up to do it right. There simply wasn't enough time in my plans to honor a relationship properly.

It's not who or what I am - my timing was way off for that girl. I didn't earn the relationship. I am still pouring a foundation here. When I have all my ducks in a row I can be someone for somebody but right now I have to remain alone. It's like Billy Joel said in his song, "James" - 'Do what's good for you're not good for anybody.'

By the way, the girl in question was Megan Murray - do a Google search, you'll find it wasn't the sex industry that did it. It was much more substantial than that.

Ass.


You probably didnt remain engaged because lets face it most real women are never going to marry someone like you jamie.

[traLika]

In order to keep myself afloat, run a recording studio and post production house along with producing web content that isn't bush league solo crap we had to make a decision about how I was going to make my money and how just how much time that was going to eat up to do it right. There simply wasn't enough time in my plans to honor a relationship properly.

Completely off topic but out of curiosity, Jamie, what music set-up do you use? Cubase? Logic? Sonar? DP7? Pro Tools? I'm guessing it's not Reason...

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I use Reaper. Completely open source, completely free to use, completely awesome. (donations for a private license is encouraged) Some of the best minds from Sony, Protools, etc. got together to code a DAW that wasn't 80% crack protection.
They made it free to the public and update it every week. There is virtually nothing,and I mean NOTHING that it can't do in comparison to other DAWs. I've recorded albums, jingles, soundtrack work, voice over - you name it. Reaper's the one. Go get it. You'll love it.

(BTW was that 'Reason' line a jab?)






Completely off topic but out of curiosity, Jamie, what music set-up do you use? Cubase? Logic? Sonar? DP7? Pro Tools? I'm guessing it's not Reason...

[traLika]

I use Reaper. Completely open source, completely free to use, completely awesome. (donations for a private license is encouraged) Some of the best minds from Sony, Protools, etc. got together to code a DAW that wasn't 80% crack protection.
They made it free to the public and update it every week. There is virtually nothing,and I mean NOTHING that it can't do in comparison to other DAWs. I've recorded albums, jingles, soundtrack work, voice over - you name it. Reaper's the one. Go get it. You'll love it.

(BTW was that 'Reason' line a jab?)


Ah, I've heard a lot of good things about Reaper - I imagine it must have split the market wide open - but I've been using Logic for the past 10 years so I'll be sticking with that.

No, the Reason line wasn't a jab at you. More a jab at the software... :)

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Sorry, I have a thing for puns and that line was almost too perfect!



Ah, I've heard a lot of good things about Reaper - I imagine it must have split the market wide open - but I've been using Logic for the past 10 years so I'll be sticking with that.

No, the Reason line wasn't a jab at you. More a jab at the software... :)

[Clind]

can i use this? it disproves the gays reasoning's that trans attracted men only call themselves str8 because they have fears of being gay

sure :) :) :)

[tsparisangelline]

sure :) :) :)

damn that reply was late lol

[lonemastrb8tr]

yes, they are gay because they are not dating a woman but a dude who goes through drastic measures in order to resemble a women. no matter how hard you try or how pretty look, you're still a dude.

[wishwash]

i think what you said is totally awesome and true! thanks so much for being as open minded as you are. i wish i could meet more people like you.

[SmashysmashY]

It's gay, but gayness is dependent on anatomy, as opposed to gender identity or some other factor. Most people who do it would say no, because of gender nonconformity, meaning they would say that although they had sex with a another male, that person didn't conform to their gender by displaying masculinity. But whether a person is heterosexual or homosexual they may be masculine, feminine, or androgynous. That doesn't really matter because it's not what defines sexual orientation.

[CannibalMan]

That doesn't really matter because it's not what defines sexual orientation.

And what's that?

[evilernie]

Let's ask the question differently. If you like being fucked by a GG with strapon, are you gay?

My take on this is - if you think of your partner as male then you're gay. If you think of her as a woman, then you're not gay.

[CannibalMan]

if you think of your partner as male then you're gay. If you think of her as a woman, then you're not gay.
Is it possible to think of her as a woman when sucking her dick or being fucked by her?

[tvman999]

This is only my opinion, I think I am gay, but I only like transgender, aka chicks with dicks. I think the "straight" world would think I am gay, one way or the other. I do not really care what the straight world thinks, but yes I am gay and not straight, and I am not attracted to anyone who looks male. In my mind, my transgender lovelies are actually more beautiful than the hottest GG. I do NOT think it is a problem to be categorized as gay. I learned a long time ago that the gay crowd has the most fun parties and the best times. It is nothing to be ashamed of, you have one life ....... so live it and love it !!!! That's just MY opinion, we are all entitled to our own opinions and have the right to pursue our own interpretation or version of happiness ..... so says my GOD, because like Lady GAGA says, we were born this way !!!!

[evilernie]

Is it possible to think of her as a woman when sucking her dick or being fucked by her? My point exactly. I'm glad you agree with me that sucking on a strapon worn by a female shaped like a male genitalia is gay.

[russtafa]

gay guys dont like tsgirls or women

[Gthoma2a]

It is possible to think of her as a woman when going down on her IMO. The reason I say this is that I went down on all the ggs I went out with, so it isn't associated any different when going down on a tg. I can't speak for getting fucked by, but in seeing a tg fuck someone in porn, I don't think of her as being a boy because she did it, so I don't think any act should make her a boy all of the sudden.

[morty]

I think people are missing the point of what it means if your gay

if you attracted to the body/cock you are because at the end of the day transsexuals are geneticly men no matter what they have done you can only class one as a women once they have the full genital surgery and people saying but if you take it anal from a women your gay no your not it's a women.

say your a man and your in love with another man this doesn't make you gay unless you are attracted to other men also there a lot of people like this they dont like the same gender it's just that 1 person whos personality they are in love with.

[TSLoverUK999]

With me its all about femminity, I adore it, being gay is when you like your own sex and a Transexual woman is not the same sex as me. I love girls with pussy & cock.

[hwbs]

Gay gay gay gay gay hahahahahahhahaha.....its a tired topic but yeah I don't really care what people think and I must say its very liberating...don't care what others think and don't listen to ts who don't like u ...they are just trying to get in your head....I am not straight ...I am not gay...I am just me lmfao

[giovanni_hotel]

Just be prepared to be called out as a 'fag' for admitting you dig TGs and having the girl of your affections be called a 'man', no matter how she looks.

Just as a girl's 'clit' is the dealmaker for tgirl lovers, it's that same part that's a deal-breaker for people who've never had the pleasure of being with a T female.

My orientation is str8, but whatever. If tgirls make you a little crazy, like they do me, what are you gonna do besides embrace it??

[droog]

are men who date transwomen gay?


ok here is just my opinion of the question. liking ts is definitely not straight, no matter how you feel you need to justify that simple fact to yourself. if two people are in bed having sex and each person has a penis, how can that be straight? as for me, IRL i like ts as well as guys. i'm pretty sure my friends knew for some time i was gay/bi even though they never asked. i just never had the courage to talk about it to them. but like 6 mos ago i updated the 'interested in' part on my facebook to say men and women after having it blank.

so i am out as bisexual to my friends, but they don't really know i like ts as more than friends. and i only like girls as friends, since i consider vagina pretty blehhhh. i guess technically i'm gay, but at this point in my life admitting i'm bi is enough and i'm happy with that label.

now as i read this thread (and this is just my opinion!), i noticed a lot of people were in denial saying they're totally straight. please... you're at least half gay. you like dick, otherwise you'd just date real girls only.. i guess i can maybe sorta understand that some may not like guys... however i did find it funny that some posts stereotyped liking guys to "muscular guys or guys with mustaches," as if though those are the only types of guys that exist. to me, a hot thin emo guy is a type that i will def go for, and have... i could go on and on, but the reality is is that society will see a man with a ts or a man with a man at the very least to be bisexual, if not totally gay.

[Jericho]

Only the gay ones! :shrug

[blatinobrotha]

Where did you copy and paste this from, Paris? lol

[iputinwork]

Liking ts women does not make a guy gay...a gay dude likes dudes, so he wouldn't be into ts women. For me I would never touch a dude, doesn't do anything for me, but I can't get enough of ts women. I got into ts women by seeing an episode on Real Sex, they were talking about Vanity and how her main demo is straight males. At the time I was like that's weird, but as I started watching ts porn, I understood why straight males are the ts porn industried main audience. Anyway long story short my 1st interaction with a tgirl was about 4yrs ago and I actually left in the middle of the sessoion because A. I was payiing, and felt like a loser for paying for something I've always got for free B. I wasn't comfortable about giving her head and she kept asking to do it so when I finally went down on her she was kinda forceful about it, so it freaked me out and I bounced....nevertheless I went back to her a few weeks later, gave it that good ol' college try and had a GREAT time, I've been hooked since. Only issue I've been having is that a lot of tgirls get sore before I cum, which is understandable if we've been fucking for a while. But I agree with paris on this if you like tgirls and are attracted to the feminie form then I don't see it as bein gay...

[tsparisangelline]

Where did you copy and paste this from, Paris? lol

I cannot even remember anymore, lol.

[Dragonxxx]

I used to label myself as straight even though I secretly liked t-girls. But what is a t-girl without a dick? So I like dick. . . and pussy. I find the female figure more attractive than male's, but the male mind more attractive than female's. I am secure enough to say when a guy looks good. I find it quite funny when (and this is just my opinion so don't be hating) a guy who likes t-girls say's they are straight. I mean come on, you like dick and you're straight? yeah, what ever (sounds like a contradiction to me). I was brought up to believe that straight means you only like the opposite sex, bi to mean you like both sexes and gay or lesbian you like only the same sex. So if you have a dick and you like someone else who has a dick you're not straight, if anything you're bi (you only lack the confidence to label your self as such). If you're male and you only like females you're not going to be on this site.

But I can see the confusion as to what to label yourself if you're a guy who is sexually attracted to t-girls but not males. There was a time when I was attracted to t-girls but not guys, and I can assure you that at that time I was not straight. It was only a matter of time before I let myself look at guy's in a sexual manner.

[youshouldtrythislol]

A lot of people bring up the point that just because 't'girls have a dick, liking them makes someone gay.
I always thought that what is between a person's legs does not define them as a person. I have always valued personality in a girl more than anything.
Then again, I never cared for labeles anyways. Gay, straight, bi, they are all just ways for people to discriminate against eachother.

[HOKEDAJ]

Eh, I don't really know if human sexuality can always be explained. I consider myself straight. I've been with a decent amount of t-girls, and I liked it. I never really cared for being a bottom at all, and I can't get into guys at all.

[yosi]

are men who date transwomen gay?



are transwomen men? if transwomen are men , those who date them are gay.

because transWOMEN are NOT men , those who date them are not gay .

simple logic :peanutbutter

[droog]

are transwomen men? if transwomen are men , those who date them are gay.

because transWOMEN are NOT men , those who date them are not gay .

simple logic :peanutbutter


"simple logic?" lolz, more like simple denial... half the posts in this thread read like guys trying to justify their non-gayness to themselves and others so they can "appear" straight.... i, like everyone else, am on here because i like ts. but i am NOT straight. i'm out as bi-sexual. if i had to break it down, i'd say i like guys about 50% and ts about 50%. pretty sure i'm just gay, but i use the bi label to include ts girls.

imo the labeling confusion happens because ts are not technically a gender, and there is no term for someone who is attracted to them; yet, i'm pretty sure that that term isn't straight. i mean, what would you do if someone you knew saw you in public kissing a ts and later asked if you were gay? what would you say? uh, um... no, i'm straight, even though i was just kissing someone born a male. it will just look like you are hiding something, trying not to be gay/bi, whether you don't want to admit it to yourself or your friends. and some wonder why ts call guys on this board gay? cause we are.. obv.

[russtafa]

i hope so im very very happy

[yosi]

imo the labeling confusion happens because ts are not technically a gender, and there is no term for someone who is attracted to them

you can find here in this board that transWOMEN , technically or not technically ARE a gender , the facts are in front of your eyes , it's up to you to see them or ignore them.

the labeling confusion happens because of poeple who prefer the 2 dimensions POV ( true , it makes life look easier and less complicated that way :dancing:) ,but if you look deeper you can see that there is a third dimension which gives life more depth ( our planet is NOT flat - not two dimensions....... )

back to this thread's subject : transWOMEN are not men , so those who date them are NOT gay

[Gilian]

This is a question that I posed to myself on several occasions. First, let me tell my story.......

I was first interested in Transsexuals about 9 years ago. It was just something that I ran across on the internet, and I would occasionally add to my porn collection. Never acted upon it in real life. Well, about 4 years ago, my then girlfriend came upon my TS porn. She was furious, and immediately questioned my sexual orientation, something I had never thought about up until that point.

We made an attempt to resume our relationship, but she would always make jokes about it whenever she got angry. She also kept saying that I should investigate my interest. Needless to say, we eventually broke up for other reasons, and it got ugly. In an effort to hurt me for calling it quits, she outed me to her friends, and any people I knew that she could get her hands on, including my mom.

Let me clarify, I don't consider myself gay as I don't enjoy the male form one bit. Muscles and mustaches do absolutely nothing for me. I am not in any shape or form feminine. I am a typical 6'2 200lb guy. I enjoy everything about the female form. The softness, shape, clothing, perfume, hair, and everything else associated with females.

As stated, the whole TS thing started as a fetish for me, but since then I have actually realized that I am not afraid. Hell, anybody I actually care about already knows anyway!

What I don't get, being a guy not really in the whole scene, is the fighting that goes on between TS women and men who are interested. Maybe I am a little naive about the whole thing but, shouldn't a girl be happy that guys are accepting of them? What's with all the calling guys gay and all that?
:iagree: Was with a well know tranny a few weeks ago, and after we did our thing , we had the "no , i am really not gay, not into guys, and i don't want ure gayfriend to join us" diccussion (This is not the 1st time) I don't mind explaining myself once, but it gets a little old after that... Ladies I am just saying: I respect your sexuality, pls have a lil respect 4 mine...

[jimbobw2]

Yes and the moon is made of cheese

[circ]

"simple logic?" lolz, more like simple denial... half the posts in this thread read like guys trying to justify their non-gayness to themselves and others so they can "appear" straight.... i, like everyone else, am on here because i like ts. but i am NOT straight. i'm out as bi-sexual. if i had to break it down, i'd say i like guys about 50% and ts about 50%. pretty sure i'm just gay, but i use the bi label to include ts girls.

imo the labeling confusion happens because ts are not technically a gender, and there is no term for someone who is attracted to them; yet, i'm pretty sure that that term isn't straight. i mean, what would you do if someone you knew saw you in public kissing a ts and later asked if you were gay? what would you say? uh, um... no, i'm straight, even though i was just kissing someone born a male. it will just look like you are hiding something, trying not to be gay/bi, whether you don't want to admit it to yourself or your friends. and some wonder why ts call guys on this board gay? cause we are.. obv.

That's pretty biased, what with calling tg's gay and all. I don't mind admitting anything, but labeling it and people who like tg's as predominantly gay or bi is just silly. Labeling itself should have died centuries ago, but what can you do. I like tg's, passable tv's and very feminine guys who sport make-up. If that feminine guy were to suddenly put on 50 lbs of muscle and grow a beard that would probably kill it for me. I don't jerk off to George Michael or a younger Elton John, nor do I have pictures of Jeff Stryker on my computer.

[Duh]

transWOMEN are not men , so those who date them are NOT gay

neither are they women as defined in any english dictionary so those who date them are not straight.

gay or not, straight or not, don`t know don`t care. it is what it is.

[jimbobw2]

gayYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY