Alot of you guys are mistaking passable with beautiful.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

We all know there are different tastes for everyone- so this post is not about being critical. It's about a truth that many of you are mixing up.
Being passable has nothing to do with being beautiful. They are two states that can be mutually exclusive- or if you are lucky combined.

We tend to forget that there are many mediocore or unattractive women in the world. Certain transsexuals, can blend very well into society and be extremely passable, and not be beautiful. Of ocurse a girl can be paasable and beautiful, there is no doubt- but transsexuality nor surgery is a gaurantee of being either.

Then comes the end of the other spectrum. There are many beautiful transsexuals who might not necesseraily be as "passable". I know many girls who are beautiful, but you can tell they are transsexuals. They can be striking, just plain beautiful- but this garnishes a degree of attention and one can quickly realize that is indeed not a "real" woman. In fact, most of the transsexuals who tend to fool me, tend to be the most "plain jane" looking girls. Girls you would not look at twice, but they blend in so well, they look like an every day woman.

As a personal prefference, given the choice, I'd rather be beautiful or striking than "passable". Maybe that has to do with growing up feeling ugly? But, I think if one is comfortable with oneself, and lives her life happily to her own aesthetic desires then she can be satisfied and you then you let all those worries go. Some girls just want to blend in and look unnoticible. Still, there are certain people and places who will always clock you. That is just life. We are not talking cross dresser here- or an obviously bad attempt to look like a woman. I don't care who you are- you are bound to get spooked on occassion.

Alot of men expect ALL transsexuals to be beautiful or passable and that is impossible. Just as there are fat,skinny, short, tall, unattractive, ok looking, and beautiful women- you will find the same spectrum with men and in transsexuals. I just think the difference is that most transsexuals strive to be beautiful or passable- but you are dealing with genetics and surgeons are not magicians and everyone has certain limitations. I often find it funny when someone says- oh her hands are too big, her feet-, well yes I feel bad for a girl who has to wear a size 13 shoe but she can't do anything about it. There are a lot of women with big feet- there are shoe sites on the net especially designed for women with larget feet. These products are all made and marketed TO WOMEN.

I certainly do not find every man I see personally attrective- so why should you expect the same from transsexuals? I think this has to do with they myth that we are all beatiful and well hung.

Sopeaking from experience, I can tell you that a lot of men have varied taste in transsexuals. I have seen guys at the parties trying to talk the prettiest of the girls there and then to a drag queen next. I don't know if they are horny, or what have you, but it goes to show you that THERE IS SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE.

[partlycloudy]

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[Lavonne]

Bauty is 100% in the eye of the beholder, passable is also in the eye of the beholder to some extent. We all see what we want to see and tend to block out that which we would rather not see. But I agree that beautiful does not necessarily mean passable and of course you dont have to be beautiful to pass as a woman. Look around you every day, how many women do you see that you would truly classify as beautiful?

[BeardedOne]

Nice post, Allanah. We do all need a touch of reality sometimes.

I think my fave T-girl is absolutely gorgeous. Nice eyes, infectious smile, and extra parts to die for. But I don't think she'd qualify as 'passable' with feet larger than mine and hands the size of tennis raquets (And I think she's taller than I am, but we've mostly been seated when we spend time together).

It could be said that she's the lucky pairing of beauty and passabilty, but the beautiful part is certainly heading this race, and that works for me. :)

[MoonAndStar]

a very down to earth post allanah.... considering the amount of shit thrown about on this board its good to see some posts still actually make some kind of point.....

and by the way you are striking, beautiful and VERY passable..... in a word you are stunning..... but hey thats just my opinion...... :wink:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

With all due respect as I stated in an earlier thread not all but many of the uglier tgirls act fucked up, and I don't think it's them being themselves, I think it's the influence of narcotics and/or alcohol............... but I will be honest I do know some boogawolfs/dragonbreath broads I see weekly both gg/& tg that have nice personalities

I apologize if I offended any boogawolfs out there, just speaking my mind............

[MoonAndStar]

With all due respect as I stated in an earlier thread not all but many of the uglier tgirls act fucked up, and I don't think it's them being themselves, I think it's the influence of narcotics and/or alcohol............... but I will be honest I do know some boogawolfs/dragonbreath broads I see weekly both gg/& tg that have nice personalities

I apologize if I offended any boogawolfs out there, just speaking my mind............

that last sentnce crack me up...... oh shit...... LMFAO!!!!!!!

[McRen]

I have to agree. Many of the pictures posted here are followed by a lot of guys saying 'beautiful!', and im thinking 'manly'. I'm more attracted to a more naturally looking femenine body than the perfect barbi doll (which just might be alannah! lol). Natural breasts or seemingly natural ones are a big turnon for me


On a serious note, I feel bad when I see some beautiful girls that are all scarred up. Patricia Aruajo was sooo hot when I first saw her in a video, but then I saw a later one and saw hoooorible scarring on her chest, and noticed scars on her nose. Made me realize what she has done to look like she does, and feel bad for her that she had to do those things. I'd hope things are better for you girls in North America than in Brazil.

[Ecstatic]

Boogawolf...never heard that one before. ;)

Allanah, you are of course quite right. The most passable tgirl I've had the pleasure of being with, named Kayla, is not the most beautiful (though she is beautiful), and the most beautiful (ok, maybe 3 or 4 could tie for this title) are not fully passable (though they would fool 9 out of 10 on Maury). That most passable girl is so utterly female that, the first time I was with her, I was honestly reluctant to reach down there because I thought she might not be a TS at all. Her voice is totally fem, the most convincingly feminine voice of any TS I've met. All hormonal, no implants, lovely soft 32Bs. And her attitude: as giggly and bouncy as a high school cheerleader.

Yes, she is beautiful, so she qualifies for that rarer combination you mention, but other girls are far more striking without being quite so passable. And some girls as you say are not beautiful, but you'd never "clock" them no matter how "good" your eye (well, I doubt seanchai is fooled very often).

[Dkg]

I would rather be passable than pretty........

I would rather look like a regular girl than look like a made up transy wit big boobs and loads of makeup.Maybe that sounds strange but I feel as though looking real is more important than being pretty.Its about survival in this lifestyle.Especially for the girls that dont escort.Pretty isnt going to get you a job if they can still clock you are a tranny.Pretty isnt going to protect you from the boys on the block when you walk by.Its about being real and being able to blend.Thats my goal.I dont want to be flawless absolute beauty like most transexuals.I just want to look like real tuna so when I walk into a womens bathroom they dont call the police on me.Me being passable is my survival, its my sheild.It allows me to work a daytime job at wal-mart. and it aloows me to survive.Even if I was a ugly tranny I wouldnt care just as long as u cant clock I got a dick im fine.

you have a good point.
And yea, I'd rather have a passable ts as a gf/wife than one that isn't. Whether shes "homely" or cute/pretty/beautiful it doesn't matter. Just as long as she doesn't look like a guy with a dress (so to speak).

[McRen]

Shalaya, and the poster above:


that is exactly right. Some of us WANT a tgirl, but want her in a real relationship kind of way. I dont want no trophy wife, I just want a real person, that looks, feels, and acts like a real person. She doesnt have to be a beauty queen on the outside, as much as 'passible' (i'd use the word femenine tho)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thats very refreshing Allanah and Shalaya. Two different views and take on the topic.

I admire transexuals who have strong views on alot of things and not easily sucked into pressure. We are what we are! We make the most of what we have. Bottomline is, I think as long as one is comfortable in their own skin (Wether one is beautiful, fierce and striking..or one is less prettier and passable or both beautiful, fierce and passable) then thats what matters most in the end.

We cannot please everyone..We only got ourselves to please.

"Poor is a child who's self esteem depends on the approval/acceptance of another!"

~Kisses.

HTG

[AllanahStarrNYC]

???

I think that is a truly ignorant comment. There are alot of "prostitutes" as you say that are "real" and "homely". Have you seen the Hookers on Huntspoint documentaries?

I am not sure were you live- but it seems like a dangerous place. In your post you talk about being able to use the womens bathroom without getting the police called on you- or walking down the street without getting a beat down- maybe it is because I live in NYC- but I have never had that happen to me in all my years of being a trannsexual. If you carry yourself a certain way- people will respect you- they might stare, but they will respect you. Act like a lady and you will get treated as such-

I am a fan of glamour and beauty- and I don't hold a day job. Hence why I have 36DD implants. But that is my choice and I am happy with it.

Life is not a beauty pageant or a competition- which is how most transsexuals see it. Everyone is always worried about who is prettier, younger, this, or that.

Well- the truth is THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE younger, prettier, more passable- what have you.

If you realize your own happiness and designing your looks to comply with your happiness- then you have succeeded whatever that may be.

I have lived many lives- before the porn world. I worked in night clubs, I waitressed, I worked at a make up counter, at a dungeon as a mistress, and I have had long term relationships. Ultimately, who ever loves you is going to love you for you.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

No sweetie- I did not take your comment personally. I don't take opinions personally- trust me.

As long as you are happy great.

And for hoe surged , how I am, and how big my boobs are , and my ass- I have travelled all over the US- and some parts of the world I always get treated and respected as a woman. If anything- men are usually trying to pick me up- but I blame that on the boobs.

But to say that I have never been spooked would be a lie- of course I have. But it doesn't bother me-I am not gonna let someone ruin my day by letting them feel better through putting me down.

[tsluver247]

At the Gwen Stefani-Black Eyed Peas concert, I saw two hot transsexuals (I think one advertises a long time ago and went through SRS, if I recall correctly). My friends pointed out they were men dressed up as women. Through they had smoking bodies, I believe their height, adam's apple, and one had thick wrists gave it away.

From the transsexuals I met in person, there is only a couple that seem passable.

Here is my example of passablity and beauty:
http://www.eros-chicago.com/file-images/ch-nashali1-nashali1-4.jpg

[brickcitybrother]

Passable vs. Beautiful

Ok my take on this is two fold. First, you can look at this as apples and oranges. I think that passable is an issue of what the outside world sees. Beautiful is what the closer world sees. In other words, a beautiful person may never win a beauty contest. In my definition - it is a statement about a person that goes beyond looks. In this type of contrast ... wouldn't be better to be a person with whom those you come into contact with find you to be open, appealing, interesting, etc. etc. as opposed to a person with whom people would only discuss your physical attributes? Rhetorical question of course. In this way - I am suggesting that beautiful is something more the physical attributes.

A second way of looking at this is to consider beautiful and passable only comments as to physical attributes. In that case I'll go with passable - only because my presumption is that the person would be appealing to me - even if she does not fit the great world's definition of beauty. This society's definition of beauty (as mecurial as it is) is not the only that exists. And it is not necessarily the defintion that I subscribe to.

[McRen]

actually the definition of beauty is that its in the eye of the beholder. sure there is a hollywood stereotype of what is beautiful (which is actually artificial nowadays), but different people can have vastly different opinions of who or what is beautiful

passable - that isnt really up for interpretation, it means she can function in society as a female without drawing attention to the fact that she didnt start out that way.

[rrq3200]

There is a consensus, yes... Objectivity...

But... do I consider that tgirl beautiful or pasable in a shemale perspective? Or because that "person" is beautiful? And that brings another question... Is beauty measure as shemale beautiful or female beautiful? Those are extra measurements when dealing with the concept of beauty in shemales.

For me, beauty knows no concepts or measurements. Beauty is just beauty. That's it.

[aTsLiKeN0oThEr]

tsluvr247 that gurl u posted was at my party Sunday. she is very pretty in person too.

in regards to what Allanah n Shalaya r saying... my 2 cents... EVERYONE is clockable by SOMEONE whether it's another queen, a guy, or some old lady. it doesn't matter. some folks have tranny radar n i can ALWAYS tell. my opinion ... what matters isn't that your clockable but that even if u get clocked that the person who clocked u will say she's a guy but god dayum that's a pretty one. if they still desire you or recognize your glamourous after they clock then u know that your a bad, bad bitch.

[tsluver247]

tsluvr247 that gurl u posted was at my party Sunday. she is very pretty in person too.

She goes by the name Nashali now. Her name was Sissy when I met her. She turned many men's heads when she walked in El Gato Negro, TS bar in Chicago. She is a doll and seems to have a good personality too.

[TrueBeauty TS]

As a personal prefference, given the choice, I'd rather be beautiful or striking than "passable". Maybe that has to do with growing up feeling ugly? But, I think if one is comfortable with oneself, and lives her life happily to her own aesthetic desires then she can be satisfied and you then you let all those worries go. Some girls just want to blend in and look unnoticible. Still, there are certain people and places who will always clock you. That is just life. We are not talking cross dresser here- or an obviously bad attempt to look like a woman. I don't care who you are- you are bound to get spooked on occassion.


I agree. Given the choice, I would rather be beautiful than passable. In this world, beautiful people will always be treated better than average, or below average looking people. I believe that holds true for transsexuals as well. Even if people clock you as a TS, if you are beautiful, they will most likely be nice, or at least civil to you.

One thing that we also forget about human nature - if you have a great personality, it tends to help your physical looks. People don't look for your flaws as much and they are willing to give you a break. Conversely, if you have a bitchy or ugly personality, many people will not see you as beautiful no matter how physically beautiful you may be.

Another thing you mentioned... about being comfortable and happy with yourself. I truly believe that if you are comfortable in your own skin and at peace with yourself, the people around you will pick up on that vibe and be more comfortable and relaxed around you, thus helping with your passability.

In my life, I don't care if I get clocked or not as long as people treat me well and with respect.

[aTsLiKeN0oThEr]

I agree. Given the choice, I would rather be beautiful than passable. In this world, beautiful people will always be treated better than average, or below average looking people. I believe that holds true for transsexuals as well. Even if people clock you as a TS, if you are beautiful, they will most likely be nice, or at least civil to you.

I totally agree, that's what I was trying to convey but u did a better job of articulating it for me. Amen to that.

[BlackAdder]

wtf is a boogawolf????

[chefmike]

wtf is a boogawolf????

see the poster above you ... :wink:

[slinky]

in regards to what Allanah n Shalaya r saying... my 2 cents... EVERYONE is clockable by SOMEONE whether it's another queen, a guy, or some old lady. it doesn't matter. some folks have tranny radar n i can ALWAYS tell. my opinion ... what matters isn't that your clockable but that even if u get clocked that the person who clocked u will say she's a guy but god dayum that's a pretty one. if they still desire you or recognize your glamourous after they clock then u know that your a bad, bad bitch.

You had to go and spoil predjudice against you, didn't you? :rolleyes:

[slinky]

I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

[tsntx]

I would rather be passable than pretty........

I would rather look like a regular girl than look like a made up transy wit big boobs and loads of makeup.Maybe that sounds strange but I feel as though looking real is more important than being pretty.Its about survival in this lifestyle.Especially for the girls that dont escort.Pretty isnt going to get you a job if they can still clock you are a tranny.Pretty isnt going to protect you from the boys on the block when you walk by.Its about being real and being able to blend.Thats my goal.I dont want to be flawless absolute beauty like most transexuals.I just want to look like real tuna so when I walk into a womens bathroom they dont call the police on me.Me being passable is my survival, its my sheild.It allows me to work a daytime job at wal-mart. and it aloows me to survive.Even if I was a ugly tranny I wouldnt care just as long as u cant clock I got a dick im fine.


co-sign

[tsntx]

???

I think that is a truly ignorant comment. There are alot of "prostitutes" as you say that are "real" and "homely". Have you seen the Hookers on Huntspoint documentaries?

I am not sure were you live- but it seems like a dangerous place. In your post you talk about being able to use the womens bathroom without getting the police called on you- or walking down the street without getting a beat down- maybe it is because I live in NYC- but I have never had that happen to me in all my years of being a trannsexual. If you carry yourself a certain way- people will respect you- they might stare, but they will respect you. Act like a lady and you will get treated as such-

I am a fan of glamour and beauty- and I don't hold a day job. Hence why I have 36DD implants. But that is my choice and I am happy with it.

Life is not a beauty pageant or a competition- which is how most transsexuals see it. Everyone is always worried about who is prettier, younger, this, or that.

Well- the truth is THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE younger, prettier, more passable- what have you.

If you realize your own happiness and designing your looks to comply with your happiness- then you have succeeded whatever that may be.

I have lived many lives- before the porn world. I worked in night clubs, I waitressed, I worked at a make up counter, at a dungeon as a mistress, and I have had long term relationships. Ultimately, who ever loves you is going to love you for you.

co-sign 2 this 2 :D

[Vicki Richter]

Only a prostitue would think beauty sells over realness

Ha Ha Ha

This was the best post ever. Very funny. You are absolutely right.

[Brideshead]

Passable and beautiful.

[tsntx]

I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

wtf??? that makes no sence ... no girl is gonna wish she would be a clockable hot ts over a plain-attractive woman.... every girl would rather they didnt get clocked and if they are a passable plain- attractive woman then they could get surgery to become a beautiful passable woman ... u cant be a hot obvious ts and get more passable ... that just means more plastic which makes u look even more noticiable

[Brideshead]

I think the TS's who would rather be beautiful than passable have a better chance for hapiness. There are many, many beautiful TS's. There are very, very few truly passable TS's.

wtf??? that makes no sence ... no girl is gonna wish she would be a clockable hot ts over a plain-attractive woman.... every girl would rather they didnt get clocked and if they are a passable plain- attractive woman then they could get surgery to become a beautiful passable woman ... u cant be a hot obvious ts and get more passable ... that just means more plastic which makes u look even more noticiable

How can you write no girl? Do you speak for every transexual woman?

[swimnn]

Rarely is a man called 'beautiful'. The be beautiful (on the outside) means being passable.

[tsluva]

true that it's different strokes for different folks , i think that
some trannies are "passable " enough for some guys to strike
an interest in them.

in some cases , they are passable enough to want to
have sex with them , - but not passable enough to
take with them around town in public , to anywhere and anyplace
they wanna go to.

to use an example, if not many knew her face/ celebrity status
as a transexual superstar , Vanity could pull that off .

i've experience some reviews of guys that have had an
experienced session with tgirl escorts
and swear up & down that no one would suspect that she
had a tail between her legs .


yet i evetually meet the same escort and i can't come close to
seeing how they cannot detected some signs that she
is a transexual .

not to say that she was not a beautiful transexual , but i don't
see where anyone could say that was impossible to tell if she
was a transexual .

maybe some people are that gullible and easy to fool. .

certain facial features, body language and the way they walk
( yes, it does make a difference ) , the physique , back & shoulders .....
even the voice ,.... are sometimes hugely noticeable.

[NYCe]

Working at Wal-mart I have learned alot of things besides the fact that we put antiseptic on our cucumbers.So if you buy your fruits and veggies from Wal-martr make sure you clean them first.

LMAO

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Would not living in a smaller town city give you the oppurtunity to blend in better and pass- as I am sure people are not used to transsexuals as much as in Metropolitan areas?

[McRen]

I live in a smallish town of about 80,000 , and if a young tgirl like Shalaya worked at the wallmart, most of the town would probly know about it. I think the opinions of people, at least my agre group (25-35), would be pretty good. The older generation here is fucked tho. And of course Alannah would draw attention anywhere she goes (in a good way)

[Realgirls4me]

I'm only looking at this from the physical standpoint, since that's what I think Allanah is keying on.
One can be passable, and yet not beautiful, and also vice versa. I've seen some incredibly beautiful TS women at Peanuts and The Yukon Mining Company here in Hollywood, who wouldn't be passable to most, but I've also seen some who were passable, and yet not too beautiful given their overall behavior (femininity and otherwise) and indifference to who they are seemingly.

That make sense ?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think he meant if u were from there- maybe people would know you because it's relatively small so they would know you- not because of your looks.

[McRen]

Yes thanks Alannah, thats what I meant. I dont mean we'd all look at her and know, I mean once 1 person knows, eventually the whole town does.

I think that might not be a bad thing tho. There wouldnt be any issues with people finding out and freaking out. (like those violent responses and murders in other threads)

[TrueBeauty TS]

I don't think there is a girl alive that, in her heart of hearts, doesn't want to be beautiful. You're not going to spend close to 30K (or more) to look "just plain & passable". You're spending all that money because you want to look beautiful.

I think some of the girls that say they just want to be passable already think they are beautiful so that part doesn't concern them as much. But I don't know of anyone who's only goal is to look "eh... so-so."

[AllanahStarrNYC]

You are 100 percent correct- every girl wants to be pretty.

And you can be pretty and passable at the same time.

[BeardedOne]

Yes thanks Alannah, thats what I meant. I dont mean we'd all look at her and know, I mean once 1 person knows, eventually the whole town does.

I think that might not be a bad thing tho. There wouldnt be any issues with people finding out and freaking out. (like those violent responses and murders in other threads)

Small towns are freaky that way. I moved to a little town a few years ago that is only two blocks long and within a week I knew who was an alcoholic, who was a drug addict, who was getting divorced and/or sleeping with whom, and how many cats had gotten their jewels lopped off by the ASPCA.

Similarly, I knew a failry stealthy gay family (We're talking gays, lesbians, and liberals, oh my!) that moved into a tiny town in very conservative NH, where Nacky Loeb and the Manchester Union Leader did all but recommend lynching of 'alternative lifestyle' people. Within a short time, though, neighbors told neighbors who told neighbors and they eventually painted their house with stereotypical gayness (Purple shutters and pride flags) and were embraced by the town as the local 'color'. I was actually pretty surprised to see how out they could be, and feeling quite safe about it. And knowing how politically active they are, I'm sure it's not uncommon to see TG people visiting the town on a regular basis, and they (The town) seem to have adjusted rather well (And this is a fair sized New England town with small 'suburbs').

Eventually, a small town is just going to make up who they want you to be, anyway. Might's well let them be moderately accurate about it.

[TrueBeauty TS]

You are 100 percent correct- every girl wants to be pretty.

And you can be pretty and passable at the same time.


Co-sign. Agreed.

[MacShreach]

Small towns are freaky that way. I moved to a little town a few years ago that is only two blocks long and within a week I knew who was an alcoholic, who was a drug addict,<snip>

I come from a small town but I have spent a lot of my life in cities, mostly capitals. The anonymity that city life affords is a double-edged sword. You may be able to move more freely in a large city, but the day you are confronted the same anonymity means you have no protection. In a small town, at first (even if you are reaally really straight) you'll be a weirdo on probation, but soon you'll blend, and then you'll have a space that's allowed to you. Everyone knows who you are and what you are doing, but there is much less chance of casual abuse or violence. Generally speaking even the local head-cases leave you alone. I think it has something to do with the unidentified threat-- no-one who lives in a small town is one of those. They're all identified, right down to second and third cousins.

I'm not saying you don't get violence in small towns, you do, but it's different. Between locals it's always because there's previous, sometimes going back decades, and I agree a small town can be a scary place for a weird-looking stranger. Scary, but not necessarily dangerous.

I won't go into detail here but the owner of a well-known business in the town I grew up was a notorious and very obvious gay, and surrounded himself with young gay men all his life. He was a pillar of civic respectability, as was his long-term partner. I know of several gays in the same town now and they are just...accepted. Nobody cares. And it's a pretty ordinary town with a history of fishing and manufacture, not a classy place at all.

I once took a friend who was gender indefinite, shall we say, to a pub in my home town. He (this was a gay man who was particularly non-straight in appearance and camp as fuck) insisted because the place was well known for music. I was frankly terrified at the prospect.....but nothing at all happened. People were looking, but the only comment came from the barman, who said something daft, and my friend turned it into a joke. The only thing I noticed was the six-foot circle of clear space around us, but even that disappeared as the place got busy. Maybe it was because I was there too, but I doubt it.

Course, this is Scotland, where men can walk down the street in kilts and big boots and look (and be) really, really hard. So maybe we're just a bit more relaxed about appearances. But I have experienced the same sort of thing in small towns in other countries too.

I think this is why writers who like working in character so often set stories in small towns.

Personally I think the ceiling is about 35,000 people. Above that and it gets too fragmented. I always think the worst sort of place is the medium-sized dump-- too big to be a small town, too small to be a real city, with no prospect of improvement.

[aTsLiKeN0oThEr]

well, from your Avatar Shalaya (and i'm not reading mind u) I can clock you. I dunno if it's your hairline or what but you give me cute chubby face pretty boy tee kinda like my girl LALA from www.TSlala.com

You ARE very pretty but I still see "it".

[Ecstatic]

You are 100 percent correct- every girl wants to be pretty.

And you can be pretty and passable at the same time.


Co-sign. Agreed.
I don't think any girl (gg or tg) wants to be unattractive per se, but some don't want to stand out as pretty. My wife is a perfect example: all her life, she had hated drawing attention from men (like someone driving past her while she's out for a walk and obviously oogling her, without saying or doing anything untoward otherwise). She never, ever wears makeup--none. In 31 years I've never seen lipstick, gloss, eye shadow, foundation, or anything else touch her skin, nor does she own any. She hates heels and only wears "sensible" shoes. Her one concession to pride of appearance: she has dyed her hair her natural color because she can't stand being grey (and she started greying seriously in her mid-30s) because it makes her look old. But otherwise, she has no interest in being "pretty" and actually distains the attention that it draws (thing is, she is very pretty, naturally--not beautiful, but very cute, and does draw attention). I also have two sisters who very rarely wear any kind of makeup, and like my wife not only don't dress "to kill" but don't even own any outfits which could remotely be called "sexy."

Maybe it's different for TS?

[MacShreach]

I also have two sisters who very rarely wear any kind of makeup, and like my wife not only don't dress "to kill" but don't even own any outfits which could remotely be called "sexy."

Maybe it's different for TS?

I know a couple of post-op t-women that kinda look dowdy. They're not in deep stealth because quite a few people have known them through their change, but they don't advertise it. They both have regular jobs, one is in a LTR, not sure about the other......But honestly you wouldn't look twice. They just look like ordinary women in their thirties. They dress smart, not glam. They wear flat shoes, "sensible" clothes, and they make up very skilfully, you just don't notice they're wearing any. Very low key. You certainly wouldn't call either of them beautiful, and not even pretty-- more plain, really. They're both very nice and not unattractive or ugly or mannish or anything like that.....Just unremarkable. They have absolutely no trouble passing at all, and one of them told me if she ever does get made, it's by women, not men. Looking at different things, I think.

[slinky]

To all the beautiful TS ladies who believe that they are totally unclockable:

Dream on, because the awaking you will receive will probably be a rude one.

[aTsLiKeN0oThEr]

Amen :lol:

[tsntx]

To all the beautiful TS ladies who believe that they are totally unclockable:

Dream on, because the awaking you will receive will probably be a rude one.

co- sign but hopefully not too drastic... i think girls in here that claim to never get clocked are lying b/c EVERYONE gets clocked by someone whether it be a man, a woman, a lil kid or another ts... EVERY girl gets clocked doesnt mean it happens all day long everywhere they go but it does and will happen to EVERY girl

[Legend]

To all the beautiful TS ladies who believe that they are totally unclockable:

Dream on, because the awaking you will receive will probably be a rude one.

co- sign but hopefully not too drastic... i think girls in here that claim to never get clocked are lying b/c EVERYONE gets clocked by someone whether it be a man, a woman, a lil kid or another ts... EVERY girl gets clocked doesnt mean it happens all day long everywhere they go but it does and will happen to EVERY girl

You would have to look chewbacca for a little kid to clock somebody!

[tsntx]

yeah right kids CLOCK the fastest

[chloe8269]

yeah right kids CLOCK the fastestmmm hmm ! i was out on jefferson st. the other night just sitting outside of jules enjoying the cool air with one of my good friends and there was a little girl walking with her mom (mind u at 11 o clock at night down the party street in lafayette ) and she looked at me and gave me the CUTEST little smile and it was like i cut her mommas arm off, and slapped the little bitch with it.her face dropped and just STARED at me, so i second that

[wukinpunub68]

I have been out to dinner with a TS that was not 100% passable, but I thought she was beautiful and although we was getting looks, It didnt matter because that was to be expected. I knew what to expect so whatever happens, happens.

[Brideshead]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

[MacShreach]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

WoW! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Reddman]

yeah right kids CLOCK the fastest

True that....lol. The second fastest group to clock has gotta be old West Indian ladies esp Jamaican ones . Throw any tgurl in a subway or take them out to Flatbush and see what happens. LOL..HIM A MON YES SISTA.

[ANIYAH]

I think that it so funny when a tgirl gets clocked but they be phony about it .....Like smile at you and say "Oh HES soo pretty" " you better do it".....That always makes me question the complement? Like why i gotta be a He ? Lol :roll:

[slinky]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

Beautiful.... yes, very.

Unclockable? NFW.

[Brideshead]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

Beautiful.... yes, very.

Unclockable? NFW.

Explain why you think Giselle is clockable.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

hes just bein a pain

she looks like a woman-PERIOD

listen- if u like transsexuals OBVIOUSLY you are going have the "radar" and be able to clock us. when you talk about being real and passing- it doesnt mean that someone, somewhere will not clock you- or that a tranny chaser won't-

it means that you can function daily in society as a woman. THAT IS IT.

that is what passable means. it does not mean- no one will never be able to tell. it means you can "pass" socially without everyone turning their heads- laughing or pointing or whispering or yelling "that's a man!"

and jennifer is right-
the biggest clockers- IMO
children and black folks-

[Brideshead]

hes just bein a pain

she looks like a woman-PERIOD

listen- if u like transsexuals OBVIOUSLY you are going have the "radar" and be able to clock us. when you talk about being real and passing- it doesnt mean that someone, somewhere will not clock you- or that a tranny chaser won't-

it means that you can function daily in society as a woman. THAT IS IT.

that is what passable means. it does not mean- no one will never be able to tell. it means you can "pass" socially without everyone turning their heads- laughing or pointing or whispering or yelling "that's a man!"

and jennifer is right-
the biggest clockers- IMO
children and black folks-

Why do you think black people can clock better than anyone else? Also, I like transexuals, but does this make me a tranny chaser? Can't I have a preference and not be a chaser?

[slinky]

Allanah: where did I say "not passable"?"

I specifically used the word unclockable.

There's a huge dfference.

And that's the point I've been trying to make, and it's an important one, and one which get's people killed. If someone assumes they are unclockable and start acting as if they are, that there's a chance that they will find themselves in situations which at the least may be uncomfortable and may be a hell of a lot worse than merely uncomfortable.

Is it "fair"? Fuck no. But the world isn't a fair place, and tends to punish people who live as if it should be. I hate to see people get hurt because they put themselves into bad situations out of some false sense of.... whatever. And this is rampant in teh TS world. I remember hearing that Codi Ravioli picked up some guy at a place where she should have had the right to assume he knew what the story was, but apperently he didn't and supposedly beat her severely when he found out. And she wasn't any babe in the woods at the time.

My point is simply that I while I think that TS's are beautiful, that too many feel too comfortable that they are not only beautiful, but unclockable, and that having that delusion is a dangerous thing.

[Brideshead]

Allanah: where did I say "not passable"?"

I specifically used the word unclockable.

There's a huge dfference.

And that's the point I've been trying to make, and it's an important one, and one which get's people killed. If someone assumes they are unclockable and start acting as if they are, that there's a chance that they will find themselves in situations which at the least may be uncomfortable and may be a hell of a lot worse than merely uncomfortable.

Is it "fair"? Fuck no. But the world isn't a fair place, and tends to punish people who live as if it should be. I hate to see people get hurt because they put themselves into bad situations out of some false sense of.... whatever. And this is rampant in teh TS world. I remember hearing that Codi Ravioli picked up some guy at a place where she should have had the right to assume he knew what the story was, but apperently he didn't and supposedly beat her severely when he found out. And she wasn't any babe in the woods at the time.

My point is simply that I while I think that TS's are beautiful, that too many feel too comfortable that they are not only beautiful, but unclockable, and that having that delusion is a dangerous thing.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Would you explain what the difference is between passable and unclockable?

[slinky]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

Beautiful.... yes, very.

Unclockable? NFW.

Explain why you think Giselle is clockable.

Because anyone who has spent a decent amount of time around TS's wouldn't have any problem clocking her. That's not a slam, it's just a fact. As I already said, she's beautiful. But that alone doesn't make her unclockable.

[Brideshead]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.

Beautiful.... yes, very.

Unclockable? NFW.

Explain why you think Giselle is clockable.

Because anyone who has spent a decent amount of time around TS's wouldn't have any problem clocking her. That's not a slam, it's just a fact. As I already said, she's beautiful. But that alone doesn't make her unclockable.

I understand that you think she is beautiful. That's undeniable, but are you saying that she is clockable to the trained eye?

[slinky]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Would you explain what the difference is between passable and unclockable?

Unclockable - not able to be clocked.

Passable: Able to pass.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/necessary-sufficient/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_and_sufficient_conditions
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Necessary.html

[Brideshead]

Danny have you seen her in person? Does she look different in person?

[slinky]

Example:

Here is a photo of a very beautiful TS:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/dsc_0665_133.jpg

I'd be curious how many here would be "fooled" and say "That's a GG!!!"? If people don't say that, is the TS unclockable? How could she be?

[slinky]

Danny have you seen her in person? Does she look different in person?

In person she looks like a very beautiful TS.

[Brideshead]

Danny have you seen her in person? Does she look different in person?

In person she looks like a very beautiful TS.

Do you think that is part of their appeal or attraction? They are women, and look like women, but their is something different about them.

[slinky]

Everybody sees TS's for the same reason:

THEIR REASON.


In other words, there is no universal reason and everyone is entitled to their own personal reasons. Are there some guys who that is the reason? I would bet money that the answer is yes. Are there some guys who that isn't the rason? I'd bet money that it's also yes.

Some guys like TS's who are very passable, or they only like TS's who are passable. Some don't (look at a recent thread about masculine looing TS's). And even for passable TS's, there are going to be some guys who like the way one looks and some guys who don't like that same girl. And this isn't just a TS issue. Guys argue about the looks of GG's as well.

[Ecstatic]

Example:

Here is a photo of a very beautiful TS:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/dsc_0665_133.jpg

I'd be curious how many here would be "fooled" and say "That's a GG!!!"? If people don't say that, is the TS unclockable? How could she be?
Well, I took that pic at Allanah's party and I'd have to agree: she is very beautiful, and very sexy (not the same thing), and I'd say she's passable, but not unclockable. Very few TS that I've seen are unclockable, but many can easily pass.

[Brideshead]

Example:

Here is a photo of a very beautiful TS:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/dsc_0665_133.jpg

I'd be curious how many here would be "fooled" and say "That's a GG!!!"? If people don't say that, is the TS unclockable? How could she be?
Well, I took that pic at Allanah's party and I'd have to agree: she is very beautiful, and very sexy (not the same thing), and I'd say she's passable, but not unclockable. Very few TS that I've seen are unclockable, but many can easily pass.

Do you think that Giselle is unclockable? I know Danny's opinion, and I would like to know yours.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Brideshead I don't think you are getting the point.

And Partridge I know where you are coming from- but a lot of people are dellusional in several ways- and some transsexuals who are not grounded can be dellusional about this- but those of us who are grounded know what we are and our limitations. I don't think it's fair to knock girls down, if some do engage what I would call irresponsible behaviour (trying to fool a guy).

Being clocked or spooke of course is not pleasant- but it's part of this lifestyle. Plus- people have a lot more exposure to transsexual now via the internet, tv, media, etc. So the definition of what is passable and unclockable has definately changed through recent years.

[slinky]

Uh, oh... she's calling me only by my last name.... does that mean I'm in trouble?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

no- lol

if u were in trouble you would be calling me Ms. Crabtree and I would be spaking you ;)

[BeardedOne]

Uh, oh... she's calling me only by my last name.... does that mean I'm in trouble?

I don't think so. She has to call you by first, middle, =and= last name to let you know you're in for it.

Or does that rule only apply to moms? :?:

[Brideshead]

Brideshead I don't think you are getting the point.

And Partridge I know where you are coming from- but a lot of people are dellusional in several ways- and some transsexuals who are not grounded can be dellusional about this- but those of us who are grounded know what we are and our limitations. I don't think it's fair to knock girls down, if some do engage what I would call irresponsible behaviour (trying to fool a guy).

Being clocked or spooke of course is not pleasant- but it's part of this lifestyle. Plus- people have a lot more exposure to transsexual now via the internet, tv, media, etc. So the definition of what is passable and unclockable has definately changed through recent years.

Would you make it clear to me? What am I not getting?

[BOATER]

Well said. Just because a girl is passable that doesn't mean she's pretty. I've met the passable that just are not pretty. And also the reverse, girl that are no way passable, yet are very pretty. Aka.. a long list of drag queens.
Many of us guys have different preferences.
Many find Skylene, pretty, but she is in no way passable.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You can not change your bone structure, so some girl will always be clockable. But those same girls can make your jaw drop with their beauty. For some girls it's easy transition, for some it takes time to adjust and find themselves.
Petite woman often have it easy. Other girls over do a look and with that making them clockable.
Allanah, Gia, Madison (visiting NY) and barbie Woods are a few that carry it all well. And if not for the recent popularity would be unknown to have a explosive package inside their pretty thongs.
Allanah is blessed, even before her surguries to have a natural latina body that can carry curves, large itties, ass. How many times in the past I'd be in Latin Quarter's or the Copa, wishing someone close to Allanah would bust through the door. <opps off the subject>
Anyway. Being Passable. being Pretty. Being Sexy are all very different. You can have none, one, two or all of them. But one does not assume another.

[Brideshead]

I really do wish someone would take the time to explain what they mean. I still think Giselle is unclockable. How am I wrong?

[fun1990]

guys, I must appolize, but I have to guess at this. What do you guys mean when like being clocked? Does that mean like when I am at work and they tell me I am on the clock? Like my hours are being timed. So are you referring that a cloaked tgirl is an escort that is watching her cloak to know how much to charge you?

[TrueBeauty TS]

Being clocked or spooke of course is not pleasant- but it's part of this lifestyle. Plus- people have a lot more exposure to transsexual now via the internet, tv, media, etc. So the definition of what is passable and unclockable has definately changed through recent years.


Many of the older TS's that I've talked to said it was easier to "pass" 10-20 (or more) years ago. Even though there are better results in cosmetic surgery, hair removal, etc., the general public is more aware (although not necessarily more educated) about TS's. They've seen shows like Jerry Springer, Maury Povich and they know what signs give a TS away and what to look for if they are in doubt about a person.

It's a double edged sword I guess. There are more accepting people, but there are also more people that can spot you, too.

[slinky]

How do I get in trouble?

[Brideshead]

I don't understand!

[fun1990]

I don't understand!

I don't either

[TrueBeauty TS]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.



BTW, that black & white picture of Giselle is simply STUNNING!

[Brideshead]

I don't think Giselle is clockable, and she is very beautiful.



BTW, that black & white picture of Giselle is simply STUNNING!

I think she is a stunningly beautiful woman,and I don't see how she is clockable.

[Brideshead]

I think some topics are too difficult to explain.

[TrueBeauty TS]

I think some topics are too difficult to explain.


So let me get this straight....

Passable = can function in society without ridicule, able to find employment, make friends - basically live work and play without too much difficulty despite being "read" as a TS on occasion now and then.

Unclockable = No one can tell you are a TS. Ever. You can live completly stealth.


Is that pretty much accurate?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Hmm I think u summed it up well.

Mr. Partridge come into my office NOW

[Ecstatic]

guys, I must appolize, but I have to guess at this. What do you guys mean when like being clocked? Does that mean like when I am at work and they tell me I am on the clock? Like my hours are being timed. So are you referring that a cloaked tgirl is an escort that is watching her cloak to know how much to charge you?
No, a cloaked tgirl would be Bat-Girl, lol.

Perhaps it has to do with the dude getting clocked if he asks the girl too many questions.... :wink:

[BOATER]

Giselle is absolutely beautiful. She passes. Not sure if unclockable. I will take better look the next time I see her up close.
I think the point is that someone can't say "oh she is passbale, when they really mean, she is beautiful. Not many girls are completely unclockable. This many be because of thiere hands, vioce, neck, shoulders, or face structure. Money, operations and hormones can aid in masking some. But their are many girls that make their living being somewhat clockable and don't want to change that. But that doesn't mean they are not pretty.

[slinky]

Mr. Partridge come into my office NOW

I know where it is on Thursday, and I know where it is on Saturday, but I don't know where it is NOW.

[chefmike]

only my gal is unclockable...or is it uncloakable...whatever...

[fun1990]

I think some topics are too difficult to explain.


So let me get this straight....

Passable = can function in society without ridicule, able to find employment, make friends - basically live work and play without too much difficulty despite being "read" as a TS on occasion now and then.

Unclockable = No one can tell you are a TS. Ever. You can live completly stealth.


Is that pretty much accurate?

Thanks, that cleared it up for me. Sounds accurate to me at lease.

[tsluver247]

Hopefully this explains passablity and beauty.
Passablity is like I Can't Believe It's Not Butter
Beauty is it actually tasting good. :wink: :lol:

Thanks for the correction, Ecstatic.

[Ecstatic]

ahh, shouldn't that be "I can't believe it's NOT butter"? :P

[BeardedOne]

Hopefully this explains passablity and beauty.
Passablity is like I Can't Believe It's Not Butter
Beauty is it actually tasting good. :wink: :lol:

Thanks for the correction, Ecstatic.

Geez, I knew Bill Shatner was into porn (See him in 'Free Enterprise'), but now he's selling T-girls?!? :shock:

"Mr. Spork! Come here! We've discovered the secret to how the galaxy =really= works!" :P

[Ecstatic]

And now we know why he was so turned on by the green bitch....

[slinky]

"Of course I'm a woman! Haven't you ever seen a woman who pees standing up before?"

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

PS there's only one thing I like better than a girl with short hair: a girl with short hair who's into mutual hair pulling.

[BeardedOne]

And now we know why he was so turned on by the green bitch....

Was that the late Angelique Pettyjohn? Now, =she= was more than a little scary. Had the opportunity to brush with her several times from 1982-84, until shortly after her final role in Wizard of Speed and Time (Released in 1989, "Five years in the making, five days in theatres!"). Shame that Wizard got tangled in the red tape as it did, because she had so milked that Star Trek role (Almost twenty years, ferchrissake) that she had lost all the respect of her fans long before she passed and it would have been nice to have a better parting shot.

Does anyone know if she was TS? I always wondered (And there was some speculation), but it never got past the rumor stage.

[slinky]

Have you ever gone camping w/ a GG before?

Yes, many times. There's a difference between squatting and standing up ;).

[Ecstatic]

My point is, women come in all shapes and sizes. We enhance our looks in a variety of ways. Hopefully those enhancements will only compliment what we had to begin with, and who we are as people. So what, if some of us have a longer clits than others? :wink:
Well put, Ari. Spot on.

[Ecstatic]

And now we know why he was so turned on by the green bitch....

Was that the late Angelique Pettyjohn? Now, =she= was more than a little scary. Had the opportunity to brush with her several times from 1982-84, until shortly after her final role in Wizard of Speed and Time (Released in 1989, "Five years in the making, five days in theatres!"). Shame that Wizard got tangled in the red tape as it did, because she had so milked that Star Trek role (Almost twenty years, ferchrissake) that she had lost all the respect of her fans long before she passed and it would have been nice to have a better parting shot.

Does anyone know if she was TS? I always wondered (And there was some speculation), but it never got past the rumor stage.
wow, I didn't know any of that. I guess I was on vacation the five days that movie was in the theatre. Her Star Trek role is the only one to comes to mind now.

[BeardedOne]

wow, I didn't know any of that. I guess I was on vacation the five days that movie was in the theatre. Her Star Trek role is the only one to comes to mind now.

The "five days in theatres" was the pre-release special showing at the Kenmore Cinema in Boston during the 1989 World Science Fiction Convention. The last time I saw Angie was at the SF Worldcon in Anaheim in 1984 when Mike Jittlov (THE Wizard) had completed most of the filming and was doing some last cuts and showing rushes to the membership there (Some '84 Worldcon members appear in the film as they were invited to be extras in the final days of shooting).

WoSaT was ultimately shelved by the distributor, Shapiro/Glickenhaus, under some shady deal with Atari/Nintendo that was afraid it would interfere with the release of their game-themed film The Wizard in that same time frame. It went directly to video, which was overpriced ($99.95 in a market of $9.99 tapes) in an attempt to recover the million-plus pricetag (Which was surprisingly low, considering the quality of the film, shot using techniques which are actually displayed =in= the film).

Angie played the secretary/assistant of one of the film producers that Mike (The story is based on his actual experiences filming the original WoSaT short for Disney in the late seventies) tries to sell his film to. She kicks him to the curb, but not before he gets a psychic flash of her doing some after hours BDSM play with the producer. :) Kinky stuff.

WoSaT was also the final appearance (I believe) of Stephen "Johnny" Stucker, made famous by his role as the wacky air traffic controller in the movie Airplane.

[skyler]

ive seen ggs that aint passable :P

[tsluver247]

ive seen ggs that aint passable :P

I also seen it on the Maury Show. :lol: Some of those women look like a man. :lol:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

This topic reminds me of "Paris is burning." LOL. I think thats the name of that movie I saw awhile ago. For some reason, Its like vogue-ing sorta like in the movie. Each one trannie prance onto the stage to the judges ready for their close ups and scutiny. Like "look ma, No stubbles or no adams apple" etc. etc. Maybe then it was a fun way to spend a boring evening. But totally insignificant! Is that what they call a "Ball" or "Ballroom" thesedays? So gay..LOL. :lol:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MG/211867~Paris-Is-Burning-Posters.jpg

Movie Synopsis

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/paris_is_burning/about.php

So what if one had no stubbles and plucked all her beard for one evening of glamour? Its not a test to being beautiful nor passable. Its living your life and functioning day in and day out. Trying to make the most of what youve got. And present the best of yourself publicly. There is more to life than being a one night hot stuff.

Every transexual are at different stages. Everyone starts out in one place. All presents certain diverse beauties and levels of passability. Its not how much one get surgeries or hormones that makes one passable and or beautiful. For its really hardly the case. Its all boils down to how one neatly present and or how she carries herself. Confidence is key (Not over confidence). Its what makes people beautiful and helps in being passable.

And with regards to being clocked. Chances are in a big cities like New York, Southbeach, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles etc where there's a guaranteed way too much TS sightings on a daily basis..people are exposed and aware of transexuals only means they can better pick and point one out than people living in smaller cities where transexuals are scarce or no where to be found.

I believe its possible that one can be Strikingly pretty, fierce and passable. Others less prettier, fierce and also passable. And for some Strikingly pretty and not too passable. Or whatever the comination maybe. Being beautiful and passable has a wide variety of spectrum. Its all in the eye of the beholder. We can all beg to agree or disagree but such is life. People's opinions and views varies on almost every topic.

Being a transexual, I will always go by being humble. If people find me attractive and passable then thankyou. If some dont..thanks also. Im not hung up on it as much back when I lived in MN. When I used to be more concerned/paranoid getting spooked (Rarely happens but just saying). This is me, I like me. And I wouldnt change much about myself even if I decide 5 years down the road to get plastic surgery. Just like what Arianna said, to compliment/enhance what we already got to begin with.

Bottomline, Being beautiful and passable only matters to yourself (As long as youre happy with yourself) and that one person you are with and who took you at face value.

~Kisses.

HTG

PS. Woohoo! 306th post!! Nice. LOL 8)

[ABSOLUTE SHADE]

I agree with Allanah but there are a few exceptions that are LOVELY & PASSABLE...such as MIRIAM XTRAVA.

[Brideshead]

I will say what I wrote on another thread. People should just learn to relax, and enjoy their lives. Stop worry about who is passable or gay etc. Enjoy who you want to be with. Be safe and wise and live your life.

[Brideshead]

DITTO
BUT SO IS WHITNEY GANZA

Ditto to my post, or the one before mine?

[Brideshead]

I think I wrote much the same thing.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thanks Arianna;).

~Kisses.

HTG

[Ecstatic]

Oh yeah, that's how I learned about Bruce Lee, as Kato on the Green Hornet. The producers insisted on using Hollywood stuntmen, who had never experienced anything like Lee before and were often injured in the filming. Lee wanted to use martial artists, as he did in his movies.

[Brideshead]

I think I wrote much the same thing.Brideshead, I think all of your posts on the passability topic have been pretty right on.

Thank you arianna.

[Hugh Jarrod]

..and still others are confusing laughung at with laughing with. Dam! I hate when that happens.

[blackgrendel]

Boogawolf...LOL!!!

[Jamie Michelle]

We all know there are different tastes for everyone- so this post is not about being critical. It's about a truth that many of you are mixing up.
Being passable has nothing to do with being beautiful. They are two states that can be mutually exclusive- or if you are lucky combined.

[snip]


Well, Allanah, I actually think some of the T-girls who don't pass perfectly are even more sexy. I'm sure there must be guys out there that think the same.

At this moment I have in mind a very beautiful and feminine transsexual whom I only know by the name of Julia, and of whom used to do porn in the 1980s--I believe that is the time-frame, as I only have the clues given by the pictures I have of her to judge the date. I don't even know if Julia is the correct stage-name she went by, but that's the only name I have to attach to her. Below are three pictures of her:

http://tinypic.com/jpver4.jpg

http://tinypic.com/jpv8t2.jpg

http://tinypic.com/jpv98g.jpg

As one might be able to tell from the above pictures, Julia is not the most passible T-girl who ever existed, even though she is obviously very feminine. She has what some may call "mannish" features in the bone-structure of her face, as well as an Adam's apple, that could give her away to those who are paying close attention (i.e., on the street, as obviously her penis gives her away).

But I find her to be exceedingly beautiful and erotic in the pictures I have of her. I think the thing that makes her particularly erotic is that some "mannish" features do show through. This makes her particularly erotic because the notion of a "pretty-boy" transforming into a girl, and sexually pleasing men like a girl, is quite kinky. So she has what one might call a "kink-factor" going on with her looks that make her even more erotic-looking than most beautiful-looking genetic females would be--at least as judged by many I'm sure, such as myself.

I hope my above analysis doesn't offend any of my T-girl sisters here. And if "Julia" should happen to read this post, please don't think that I'm saying you look like a man, as I do think you look quite feminine in the main, but that you have some slight male features which make you look even more erotic-looking as a T-girl.

But I do like various looks when it comes to T-girls, including those who could pass 100% as genetic women on the street. I like genetic women, too, so a T-girl who looks just like one is quite fine to me.

[blackrob]

Brideshead I don't think you are getting the point.

And Partridge I know where you are coming from- but a lot of people are dellusional in several ways- and some transsexuals who are not grounded can be dellusional about this- but those of us who are grounded know what we are and our limitations. I don't think it's fair to knock girls down, if some do engage what I would call irresponsible behaviour (trying to fool a guy).

Being clocked or spooke of course is not pleasant- but it's part of this lifestyle. Plus- people have a lot more exposure to transsexual now via the internet, tv, media, etc. So the definition of what is passable and unclockable has definately changed through recent years.


It prob dont help that there are so many men out there looking for trannys now.

[blackrob]

tsluvr247 that gurl u posted was at my party Sunday. she is very pretty in person too.

in regards to what Allanah n Shalaya r saying... my 2 cents... EVERYONE is clockable by SOMEONE whether it's another queen, a guy, or some old lady. it doesn't matter. some folks have tranny radar n i can ALWAYS tell. my opinion ... what matters isn't that your clockable but that even if u get clocked that the person who clocked u will say she's a guy but god dayum that's a pretty one. if they still desire you or recognize your glamourous after they clock then u know that your a bad, bad bitch.

i agree with that

[RubyTS]

Amen allanah!!! Very cool post

[SunshyneMonroe]

everyone gets clocked the end....ps everyone but me jk lol

[sdman]

wtf??? that makes no sence ... no girl is gonna wish she would be a clockable hot ts over a plain-attractive woman.... every girl would rather they didnt get clocked and if they are a passable plain- attractive woman then they could get surgery to become a beautiful passable woman ... u cant be a hot obvious ts and get more passable ... that just means more plastic which makes u look even more noticiable


What do you do when you are clocked?

[dgs925]

What do you do when you are clocked?


Do you realize you just replied to a four-year-old post from someone who doesn't post here any more?

[sdman]

Do you realize you just replied to a four-year-old post from someone who doesn't post here any more?

she might still lurke around here

[Marty Mcfly]

Passable=Beautiful to a lot of us men..we want TS that look like Females Not TS that get so much work done they now look like Michael Jackson with Boobs.

[ditadior]

Passable=Beautiful to a lot of us men..we want TS that look like Females Not TS that get so much work done they now look like Michael Jackson with Boobs.

lmao.

[robertlouis]

Do you realize you just replied to a four-year-old post from someone who doesn't post here any more?

And THAT post is two years old. Marty, put that shovel away please.

[Marty Mcfly]

Yes I'm done with the old threads..these were threads that I was meaning to reply to but I never got around to it.I'm all caught up now and up to date LOL.