Client meeting TS girls when they are drunk or on drugs?

[alyssaluxor]

Lately Ive noticed a lot of client ive met are either drunk/intoxicated or have taken illegal drugs. I dont really drink and into drugs so Im curious whats with these guys who will hire a TS girl for fun in bed when they are drunk or high in drugs? Doesnt it make them less functional or horny with these drinks and drugs? Whats the effect of these things on them?

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[gunner55]

I don't understand it either Alyssa....if I were to ever have the pleasure of meeting you, I would certainly want to have total recall of each and every moment! Have a great day beautiful.








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[peggygee]

Mileage may vary, but quite often a pay for play sexual encounter will have
drug use involved with it.

Everything from the relatively benign Viagra, poppers, marijuana, and
alchohol, to powder cocaine, crack, E, meth, and a plethora of others may
be found in an encounter.

Some of the afore-mentioned drugs are quite obvious for their use as
sexual stimulants, while others such as alcohol and marijuana are used as a
social lubricant, and may make being in the prescence of a stranger easier.

As to the effects, beside the obvious, a client or provider may have their
judgement and functionality impaired. In particular a number of the afore-
mentioned substances may make it extremely difficult for the the client to
obtain an orgasm, and he may become belligerent and argumentative with
the provider if she requests additional money from him, due to him having
exceeded his time limit.

[Nicole Dupre]

Mileage may vary, but quite often a pay for play sexual encounter will have
drug use involved with it.

Everything from the relatively benign Viagra, poppers, marijuana, and
alchohol, to powder cocaine, crack, E, meth, and a plethora of others may
be found in an encounter.

Some of the afore-mentioned drugs are quite obvious for their use as
sexual stimulants, while others such as alcohol and marijuana are used as a
social lubricant, and may make being in the prescence of a stranger easier.

As to the effects, beside the obvious, a client or provider may have their
judgement and functionality impaired. In particular a number of the afore-
mentioned substances may make it extremely difficult for the the client to
obtain an orgasm, and he may become belligerent and argumentative with
the provider if she requests additional money from him, due to him having
exceeded his time limit.

With all due respect, how would you know what happens "quite often"? My clients are all very sober. If they seem wasted, I won't see them. In fact, I see more than half of them in the middle of the afternoon when they're taking a break from work.

Honestly, this is my problem with you. You speak with so-called authority on so many aspects of being a sex worker in the 21st century, that it seems to me you yourself might be intoxicated when you make these posts. Before you play the ND victim here, please simply tell me how you would know.

I'd like to hear from more actual working girls on this topic. I don't think we get approached by any more people under the influence than most of other professionals. I deal with very sober business men all day long. Yes, some guys are obviously using something, but most are not.

[BellaBellucci]

Everything from the relatively benign Viagra, poppers, marijuana, and
alchohol, to powder cocaine, crack, E, meth, and a plethora of others may
be found in an encounter.

I'll only see guys if they fall into the former category. I know many girls who see guys from the latter and I honestly worry about their safety. At the same time there are plenty of encounters that go straight edge for my clients, but never for me. I need THC to help me work.

~BB~

[timxxx]

"With all due respect" :joke: right

[Nicole Dupre]

"With all due respect" :joke: right
Where was I being disrespectful?

[Nicole Dupre]

I need THC to help me work.

Interesting.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Mileage may vary, but quite often a pay for play sexual encounter will have
drug use involved with it.



Wrong! I don't know who you let into your home but if someone is drunk or high they get turned right the hell around. That has never happened so I can speak to the fact that drugs and alcohol are in no way tied to providing sexual services in any meaningful way. This isn't the movies.

[giovanni_hotel]

SOmetimes weed, but I don't need it. If a girl starts grabbing, touching or kissing on me, I'm automatically ready to smash that azz!

I would imagine that smelling like alcohol could be a turnoff to a provider if she wasn't drinking prior also.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

BTW - the contents of my wine glass in the avatar: Diet Dr. Pepper.

[Nicole Dupre]

I have a client who always brings a closed bottle of Merlot every time he shows up. We each take 1 or 2 sips, and leave the glasses mostly untouched on the dresser. He also always brings me flowers. And he likes to talk about wine, and has great taste in wine, and it's purely a social thing.

It's not about getting drunk for him. It's about being courteous and romantic. When he leaves, the remainder of what's in glasses gets poured down the drain. And I may have one more glass of the wine within the next few days, before I dump it out, if someone comes over for dinner. But I honestly don't drink that often.

[flabbybody]

back in the day I'd be so nervous seeing an escort I'd bring one of those little airline size bottles of Absolute. downing it right before would calm me down but it wasn't too much to interfere with the fun

[Nicole Dupre]

back in the day I'd be so nervous seeing an escort I'd bring one of those little airline size bottles of Absolute. downing it right before would calm me down but it wasn't too much to interfere with the fun
I'd say you seem pretty relaxed around a room full of beautiful transsexuals these days. lol

[TS Kourtney]

With all due respect, how would you know what happens "quite often"? My clients are all very sober. If they seem wasted, I won't see them. In fact, I see more than half of them in the middle of the afternoon when they're taking a break from work.

Honestly, this is my problem with you. You speak with so-called authority on so many aspects of being a sex worker in the 21st century, that it seems to me you yourself might be intoxicated when you make these posts. Before you play the ND victim here, please simply tell me how you would know.

I'd like to hear from more actual working girls on this topic. I don't think we get approached by any more people under the influence than most of other professionals. I deal with very sober business men all day long. Yes, some guys are obviously using something, but most are not.



I'm going to agree with you! I have had my fair share of visitors who have been on chemicals, but it definitely has NOT been the norm. I find the post about "often" incorrect and offensive. When I read that post my stomach turned. It sounded as though you were romancing the idea of being high on drugs and advicating the process. Not cute.

Speaking from a history of severe drug abuse it is NOT okay to romance drug use or lead ppl to believe that it's okay to be on drugs or intoxicated when visiting providers. Again, not cute. In fact, it's scary to think of someone coming into my private environment "out of their mind".

Personally, since I've been on both sides of the spectrum, I REFUSE to visit with ANYONE who is on chemicals. May I suggest to all: If you suspect someone is on chemicals, look elsewhere.

[peggygee]

Alcohol and Alcoholism Advance Access originally published online on January 20, 2010
Alcohol and Alcoholism 2010 45(2):188-199; doi:10.1093/alcalc/agp095

Alcohol Use Among Female Sex Workers and Male Clients: An Integrative Review of Global Literature

Qing Li*, Xiaoming Li and Bonita Stanton

Prevention Research Center, Carman and Ann Adams Department of Pediatrics, School of Medicine, Wayne State University, Detroit, MI, USA
* Corresponding author: Prevention Research Center, Carman and Ann Adams Department of Pediatrics, School of Medicine, Wayne State University, Hutzel Building, 4707 St Antoine, 5th Floor/Suite w534, Detroit, MI 48201, USA. Tel: +-205-427-7556; Fax: +-313-745-4993; E-mail: youliqing@hotmail.com
Received 7 July 2009; first review notified 25 December 2009; ; accepted 29 December 2009; advance access publication 20 January 2010

Abstract

Aims: To review the patterns, contexts and impacts of alcohol use associated with commercial sex reported in the global literature. Methods: We identified peer-reviewed English-language articles from 1980 to 2008 reporting alcohol consumption among female sex workers (FSWs) or male clients.

We retrieved 70 articles describing 76 studies, in which 64 were quantitative (52 for FSWs, 12 for male clients) and 12 qualitative.

Results: Studies increased over the past three decades, with geographic concentration of the research in Asia and North America. Alcohol use was prevalent among FSWs and clients. Integrating quantitative and qualitative studies, multilevel contexts of alcohol use in the sex work environment were identified, including workplace and occupation-related use, the use of alcohol to facilitate the transition into and practice of commercial sex among both FSWs and male clients, and self-medication among FSWs. Alcohol use was associated with adverse physical health, illicit drug use, mental health problems, and victimization of sexual violence, although its associations with HIV/sexually transmitted infections and unprotected sex among FSWs were inconclusive.

Conclusions: Alcohol use in the context of commercial sex is prevalent, harmful among FSWs and male clients, but under-researched. Research in this area in more diverse settings and with standardized measures is required. The review underscores the importance of integrated intervention for alcohol use and related problems in multilevel contexts and with multiple components in order to effectively reduce alcohol use and its harmful effects among FSWs and their clients.

http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/45/2/188

[peggygee]

Among sex workers, drug use is often a motive for prostitution, but could also be a consequence (as is the case for other factors associated with drug use). Drug-use patterns vary depending on whether prostitution comes before or after drug addiction. An Italian qualitative study among street prostitutes found that, when sex workers start to use drugs in order to deal with problems related to prostitution, they mainly use alcohol, tranquillisers or other psychoactive medicines; in contrast, when drug addiction is the main reason for prostitution, heroin is the primary drug used (Calderone et al., 2001 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/inserts/refs01-en.html#calderone)).

http://ar2003.emcdda.europa.eu/en/page074-en.html

[Nicole Dupre]

I get people who ask if it's ok and I quickly say "no", because it is not what I'm here for. When I first became a provider about 4 years ago, I learned the hard way that it is NEVER worth it. Whatever adults want to do privately is up to them. I'm not moralizing. I just don't need it where I live, or where I'm staying. And I'm far from naive or innocent, so I can usually tell when someone's too wasted to be welcome in my home.

And actually, I think Peggy's demonizing both escorts and their clients, which I find to be just as, or even more, offensive. Talk is cheap, and I'm not buying into her supposed intimate knowledge about escorting, back in whatever decade it was that she supposedly did it.

And I don't say that to be disrespectful. I say it based on not being gullible enough to take what ever someone says on the internet, who is not running an ad, or in the mix of current providers. TS escorts are a somewhat small sewing circle, whether we are good friends or not, and I think most of us can smell BS from a mile away. It comes with the territory.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well, ALRIGHT! lol

Anyone can do a Google search, and copy and paste what someone else has to say. Personally, I'm not impressed.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Also keep in mind - the report(s) Peggy posted only give the details of the accounts of providers and clients who are users. She didn't post any reports about completely sober and straight laced sex workers or clients. No one would tally those numbers anyway... it wouldn't help anyone's 'cause'.

[peggygee]

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
Center for Substance Abuse Treatments
www.samhsa.gov (http://www.samhsa.gov)

Rockwall II, 5600 Fishers Lane
Rockville, MD 20857

The most recent study on HIV prevalence in transgender individuals conducted by the San Francisco Department of Public Health AIDS Office (Clements et al., 1998) investigated more than 515 individuals with transgender experiences, which included MTF (sex workers
and nonsex workers) and FTM transgender individuals (transgender men).

The study showed...

It showed a lifetime rate of intravenous drug use of

• 34 percent among MTF transgender individuals

• 18 percent among FTM transgender individuals.


Longshore and Hsieh (1998) found that
substance use treatment does influence
people’s HIV risk behavior.

Treatment can help reduce transgender individuals’ risk of HIV
infection if they remain in treatment; however, discrimination and prejudice against transgender individuals can make access to service agencies and health care resources problematic

(Transgender Protocol Team, 1995; San
Francisco Department of Public Health, AIDS
Office, 1997; Bockting, Robinson & Rosser,
1998; Moriarty, Thiagalingam & Hill, 1998).

A study from Hollywood, California, reported that the drugs most commonly used by MTF transgender individuals were alcohol, cocaine/crack, and methamphetamine (Reback & Lombardi, 1999).

In the Clements and colleagues (1998) study conducted in San Francisco, 55 percent of the MTF individuals reported they had been in alcohol or drug treatment sometime during their lifetimes.

In addition, violence and discrimination have been found to have negative effects upon gay, lesbian, transgendered and bisexual youth, encouraging
substance abuse, prostitution, and suicide (Savin-Williams, 1994; Kreiss & Patterson, 1997; Rodgers, 1995). Garnets, Herek, and Levy (1992) stated that experiences of violence and harassment can significantly affect the......

http://kap.samhsa.gov/products/manuals/pdfs/lgbt.pdf

[giovanni_hotel]

Seeing clients who are loaded as a rule I'd think is NOT a good idea for any provider.

Peggy should look up the stats on how many escorts are beaten/robbed/murdered by johns who are in a chemically altered mental state.

I bet that number is over 90%.

[peggygee]

4012.0: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 9:25 AM

Abstract #26416

Substance Abuse and The Transgender Population: The Killing Fields

Alejandro D. Marcel, TransHealth and Education Development Program, Justice Resource Institute Health, 132 Boylston Street, Boston, MA 02116, (617)457-8150 ex342, dmarcel@jrihealth


Pioneering in every way, the Healthy People 2010 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Companion Document has begun to "break the sound barrier" on LGBT health issues. Upon examining what culturally appropriate services are presently available concerning substance abuse issues, it is patently clear that access to treatment services for transgendered individuals are all but erased. And the invisibility of this population has and continues to be institutionally sanctioned. In addition, there has been minimal funding to research this population.

Two studies have been conducted in Atlanta, GA on transgender prostitutes. These two studies found that the rate of crack use in this population was 71% and 56.3%.

Another study taken in Boston estimated that at least 80% of the transgender community in the Boston area have substance abuse problems (1995).

Discrimination, stigmatization, and lack of legal protection are among the social and political barriers that obstruct health care access to the transgender population. This presentation will examine the barriers to treatment and recovery for the transgender individual. A closer look at what distinguishes this population in terms of risk behaviors and substance issues from the Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual populations. And a brief overview of Healthy People 2010 LGBT Companion Document as it relates to substance abuse from a transgender perspective. See JRI Health.org/Programs (http://jri%20health.org/Programs)
Learning Objectives: 1. Participants will be able to discuss and identify the three most critical barriers for the Transgender population which are directly link to issues of substance abuse. 2. To analyze and assess the salient differences between Transgenders and the Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual populations seeking treatment. 3. Participants will be able to assess the inequalities and develop solutions pertaining to historical standards of practice for treatment and recovery regarding the transgendered individual.

Keywords: Substance Abuse, Healthy People 2000/2010
Presenting author's disclosure statement:
Organization/institution whose products or services will be discussed: TransHealth and Education Development Program The Justice Resource Insitute Health Massachusetts Department of Public Health
I do not have any significant financial interest/arrangement or affiliation with any organization/institution whose products or services are being discussed in this session. The 129th Annual Meeting of APHA (http://apha.confex.com/apha/129am/techprogram/meeting_129am.htm)

http://apha.confex.com/apha/129am/techprogram/paper_26416.htm

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh, lord. Somebody is on a Google mission. lol

Most consenting adults keep their sex lives private. The guys who show up and behave themselves don't want to take any surveys.

But Peggy is in her own little world on this one.

[Nicole Dupre]

Also keep in mind - the report(s) Peggy posted only give the details of the accounts of providers and clients who are users. She didn't post any reports about completely sober and straight laced sex workers or clients. No one would tally those numbers anyway... it wouldn't help anyone's 'cause'.
Exactly. Thank you.

Any jackass can find shit stains in a public toilet. But nobody with any class is letting you snoop around the master bath of their private home.

[peggygee]

I'm going to agree with you! I have had my fair share of visitors who have been on chemicals, but it definitely has NOT been the norm. I find the post about "often" incorrect and offensive. When I read that post my stomach turned. It sounded as though you were romancing the idea of being high on drugs and advicating the process. Not cute.

Speaking from a history of severe drug abuse it is NOT okay to romance drug use or lead ppl to believe that it's okay to be on drugs or intoxicated when visiting providers. Again, not cute. In fact, it's scary to think of someone coming into my private environment "out of their mind".

Personally, since I've been on both sides of the spectrum, I REFUSE to visit with ANYONE who is on chemicals. May I suggest to all: If you suspect someone is on chemicals, look elsewhere.



Seeing clients who are loaded as a rule I'd think is NOT a good idea for any provider.

Peggy should look up the stats on how many escorts are beaten/robbed/murdered by johns who are in a chemically altered mental state.

I bet that number is over 90%.

To infer that I am glamorizing substance use and abuse would be a highly
incorrect inference.

Rather, it is because I have personally struggled with drugs and alcohol, and
have lost many, many family, loved ones, and friends to both, is the reason
why I have made the statements that I have.

Further, the fact that I am able to back up my personal experiences with
empirical support should not diminish the validity of my statements, nor
should the fact that I have been clean and sober going into two decades.

Bottom line, I may not be involved with things that I was in the past, but
that does not mean I am oblivious to them now.

[bat1]

Nothing wrong with Weed or Poppers:party:

[JamesHunt]

Best sign of a john is to leave his skidmarks on her newly washed bed linen:-)

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Rather, it is because I have personally struggled with drugs and alcohol, and have lost many, many family, loved ones, and friends to both, is the reason why I have made the statements that I have.

This just means you're a Darwinian looser with poor character judgment.

Further, the fact that I am able to back up my personal experiences with
empirical support should not diminish the validity of my statements, nor
should the fact that I have been clean and sober going into two decades.

Statistical data is like one step above verbal testimony - it's practically scientifically useless but makes for great propaganda. Empirical my ass-hole.

You also don't need to say 'further' when you are continuing to make some sort of point... it's just redundant and pretentious.

[peggygee]

Rather, it is because I have personally struggled with drugs and alcohol, and have lost many, many family, loved ones, and friends to both, is the reason why I have made the statements that I have.

This just means you're a Darwinian looser with poor character judgment.

Further, the fact that I am able to back up my personal experiences with
empirical support should not diminish the validity of my statements, nor
should the fact that I have been clean and sober going into two decades.

Statistical data is like one step above verbal testimony - it's practically scientifically useless but makes for great propaganda. Empirical my ass-hole.

You also don't need to say 'further' when you are continuing to make some sort of point... it's just redundant and pretentious.


I must say that I would have expected a more intelligent and respectful
answer from you.

Based upon this response, I will not make that assumption again.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Cool by me - after all, you're just words on a page.

[Nicole Dupre]

Peggy, if you come on a TS porn forum, and make sweeping generalizations about 99% of people on it, what do you really expect? People like you and phobun are as offensive as it gets. If you want to do something productive, work with battered women or adopt a child. But Googling some stats is not going to help anyone here. You don't want to discuss anything anyway. I've tried that with you. You only want to pontificate.

[Nicole Dupre]

In the hearts of the kind, and in the fears of the wicked.

A grandiose statement like this says it all.

[BellaBellucci]

Another study taken in Boston estimated that at least 80% of the transgender community in the Boston area have substance abuse problems (1995).

15 years is forever in this life. 15 years ago, there were even fewer jobs for transpeople than there are now, but on top of that, for sex workers there was barely any TS porn, escort agencies would laugh at the idea of hiring a TS if they even knew what one was at all, even fewer people were educated in trans issues than the small minority who are now, etc. It was a much different time. And in Boston - a much different place. Growing up 'queer' or otherwise 'different' there is nightmarish. I would know. And people's attitudes towards what is a 'substance' and what is 'abuse' has changed quite a bit since 1995, too.

And I'm sure this number has come down since then. 80%? Come on. That's 4 out of 5. That's a lot. I mean, do you think, for instance, that 4 out of 5 sex workers here on HA are actual drug abusers as opposed to recreational or medicinal users based on this research?

~BB~

[bte]

Maybe they get drunk or do drugs to calm their nerves. I don't know, seems kind of silly to be with an escort and be stoned or drunk out of your mind to fully enjoy it. Although I did have a friend who used to get high every time he had sex. He said it felt better high.

[slinky]

Sooooo much to say I don't think I can cover it all, but I will try to hit some points. Firstly, if someone wants to know "why I think I know so much" about sex work, it's because I have been involved with it for 30 years and have done just about everything there is to do aside from being on screen talent. Secondly, when i talk about statistics, I have both a BS and MEng from in Ivy League university in Operations Research, which means I had to take a boatload of statistics.

So, first on statistics: especially when it comes to sex work, it is very easy to have the answers come out however you want them to because people treat sex work like it is one thing, but it is far from that. For example, the 80% used. I'll bet it is still true today or higher. All you have to do is USE AS YOUR SAMPLE a group which has a very high likelihood of being what you want them to be. I could probably go to just about any large city in the world, find the "druggie" Tranny Stroll and guess what I'd find? A very large percentage of drug using tranny streetwalkers. DUH!!!!!

Hey, in many of the cities, the "events" are nothing more that indoor streetwalking, high percentage of the girls were or are still streetwalking (or the current version "CL strolling"). They started turning tricks when they were out on the street at 14 or 15. In fact while not high in terms of percentage, but I am SHOCKED at the number of girls I have heard (and confirmed by them, so not just shade) were PIMPED OUT BY THEIR MOTHERS AT 15 OR 16 under the threat of being thrown out into the street if they didn't. So (and please don't jump down my throat because I include myself in this) since it's pretty much a fact that a person can not do sex work for any appreciable amount without suffering some sort of psychological damage, and if someone is to any extent "forced" into it (side note: I am the first person to say that new unholy alliance of far left and far right on this "all sex work involves some form of slavery and 'human trafficking' is not only complete bullshit, but I've pointed out more than once that the thing which pretty much kicked it off - a series of articles in the Sunday NY Times magazine section which was torn apart by Slate and shown that most of the "facts" were manufactured) and add to that that almost none of these girls receives any let alone the proper amount of psychological aid which a person transitioning absolutes needs........

well, I'm trying to point out that that there really is a sub-segment of the transsexual community which has severe issues and which are almost destined to be drug users as a result of the subculture they find themselves in (hey, it ain't all that much better for GG and/or gay sex workers).

I know this is hard to follow, sorry. Anyway, at an awful lot of the events, there is a lot of drug use as a result. In fact, a lot of the tricks GET their drugs from the working girls who have better access to the dealers. And a lot of the girls will twist trick's arms into procuring drugs as a condition of their "date". So how in that case can anyone be surprised if the tricks are "altered" during the date? So when those same tricks branch out to see girls NOT from the parties (which for a lot of guys are their "gateway" into seeing TS in the first place) they are so used to working girls being altered for dates and themselves being altered for dates that they think nothing of it.

In addition ( as flabby alluded to earlier in this thread) a LOT of guys need to get altered in order to obtain their 'liquid courage" or drug equivalent to grow a pair and make a date with a TS. Similarly, there are lots of working girls who can't do it without a shot (or two or three), a line (or 5 or 10), or something else to get them uninhibited enough to work. I will agree with Bella that using the term "abusers" can be anyone who uses any on a regular basis (even if hat regular basis is once or twice a month) because the people doing the "research" on sex workers almost always have a fairly highly skewed agenda. Off the top of my head, I don't think in 30 years I have seen one single survey which didn't present the exact picture which the organization who produced it had before the data was collected.

[slinky]

I need THC to help me work.


Interesting.

Hey, it is fairly well known that "Marijuana affects the parts of the brain which controls the sex and growth hormones. In males, marijuana can decrease the testosterone level. Occasional cases of enlarged breasts in male marijuana users are triggered by the chemical impact on the hormone system." Perhaps young, early in the transition girls should blaze MORE than they already do - lol.


Among sex workers, drug use is often a motive for prostitution, but could also be a consequence (as is the case for other factors associated with drug use). Drug-use patterns vary depending on whether prostitution comes before or after drug addiction. An Italian qualitative study among street prostitutes found that, when sex workers start to use drugs in order to deal with problems related to prostitution, they mainly use alcohol, tranquillisers or other psychoactive medicines; in contrast, when drug addiction is the main reason for prostitution, heroin is the primary drug used (Calderone et al., 2001 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/inserts/refs01-en.html#calderone)).

http://ar2003.emcdda.europa.eu/en/page074-en.html

While I agree with a lot of the first sentence, I have a bunch of issues with the second:
1) Heroin use may have been widespread 30 years ago, but there is not a lot now (at least not in NYC). Also, drug use (as in which drugs are prevalent) varies tremendously by location: of course in Italy/Europe and also Australia/New Zealand/etc there is more use because of how much easier to obtain and cheaper there. By contrast, cocaine is probably 2 to 3 times as expensive plus hard to find in England, and 3 to 4 times as expensive and even harder to find in Australia, etc. And of course this is the case if you simply think about where those drugs come from and how far they have to travel. (This information was obtained from a number of conversations with Australians and Brits who were users of the drugs in question visiting NY - and doing them in front of me).
2) the use of " psychoactive medicines" is so overly broad that it includes just about every recreational drug there is, including.... heroin, which they use as "in contrast" to psychoactive medicines. Now HTF is that possible?
3) From my personal experience, in NYC, the drugs being used by working girls during work tend to be cocaine, E, K/Special K and meth, plus a reasonable use of marijuana, but more recreationally as opposed to while working. I'll also note that in my experience there is less use of non-heroin opiates like oxy's, perc's, Vicodin, etc among TS working girls than other chronic drug users.
4) There are PLENTY ( at least in NY) of girls who got into sex work to support a cocaine habit. At this point, probably more than heroin.
5) There is NO mention of "Tina" (crystal meth - the true American drug, as Jazz is to music), which is used substantially by working girls. Same for E and K (but I don't think I know anyone who needs to do sex work to support an E habit; does anyone know of this occurring?)

Another HUGE factor is what hours the girl works. I can't even imagine (well, that's a lie: I can not only imagine, but my guess would probably be more accurate that most of these surveys) the difference in the percentage of tricks who book an appointment for 11AM on a Tuesday versus 5AM Saturday nite/Sunday morning. Plus what price point you are at; where you advertise; how much you have spent transitioning and lifestyle (i.e. black "men in wigs" working on Jerome Ave in the Bronx vs webscorts with vanity sites with highly photoshopped professional pics*, FFS (Trachea Shave, Jaw/chin Shave, Scalp Advancement, Brow Lifts & Forehead Bossing, Nose, Lips, Eyebrows and Cheeks, $15,000 boobs, ribs cracked, butt implants (or a gallon of pumping), etc) and a penthouse apartment with SOTA everything in some pricey neighborhood in Manhattan. Real Dolce & Gabbana, Chanel, Jimmy Choo's, etc instead of a $5 ghetto-fabulous shmata with a gold plastic D&G, Chanel or Gucci clasp from an ultra cheap knockoff handbag pinned on it and flip-flops ).

* I don't know why it's gotten worse and worse with girls using such over shopped photos that you might as well have just painted the damn thing. I know it makes the girls feel better, but it's LOUSY for business. The girls think they get more calls because they look at the pics and they are what THEY want to see in the mirror, but do you know what the tricks see? They see that whoever it is who opens the door won't be the girls in the pic, because the girl in the pics isn't human - she's a cartoon/painting/who knows what. And then they start wondering "If she had to do THAT, how bad must she really look that she won't show pics which show the way she really looks. Trust me, a while ago I actually had a client do a test with the same photos - one ad realistic and the other the one's they were using - NB: same photos just less retouching. The result was the overshopped photos got more calls, but less actual appointments (i.e. much more "total time wasters) and a LOT more walk aways)

Lastly (for this post), I think that there is a large and extremely profitable segment of the market which is being totally overlooked: for many sex workers, their absolute best clients are drugs users. It's guys who get reasonably large amounts of cocaine and want company so they pay a girl ( or two or four...) to sit around for hours talking and doing blow.... and they don't even have to do any "real" sex work, because after doing that much, the guy can't and/or has no interest anyway.

[alyssaluxor]

I really feel uncomfortable with clientelle who is drunk or had been drinking and also to the ones who seems to have taken drugs. I feel like they could just suddenly kill me. I always post in my escorts ads that i only entertain drug free and a gentleman but I dont know why those drunkies and druggies still keep on sprouting in my schedule somehow!

Lately ive encountered a lot of them. Im not really into drinking and drugs so im very dumb to this kind of topic lol So my question for the guys, why do you take this kind of things when youre meeting a TS girl for fun in bed? Is it simply because youre nervous? Do I look like a scary person with a lot of bad reviews. So far ive seen dozens of good reviews about me and I dont look that scary in pictures and videos lol ;)

[KimberlyBanxxx]

i've had a few experiences..
guys coming from bars, clubs etc during the weekends and what not
they might be tipsy
i've been asked by a "date" if they can smoke meth while they see me (um...NOOOOOOO!)
i've had dates show up w/ coke and weed..
i've had a guy i used to pee on, he'd always use poppers (wtf are they really)
so, i've had a few experiences..

[Nicole Dupre]

I just had someone ask me yesterday if could smoke rocks during a session. I just hung up, and put him in the DNA file.

Early on, within my first year being a provider once I was fulltime, I let clients party a bit, but they were always too sketchy, and now it's not even a consideration.

Even though I'd never allow it again, I once watch a guy give himself a cocaine enema. It was... interesting, but I'd rather watch a documentary about such things. I don't need to be in the front row of a live audience. lol

[KimberlyBanxxx]

a cocaine enema?
how does that work?
just sprinkle a lil powder in his enema?!?

[Nicole Dupre]

He put about a .5 gram of coke, with about 3 cc's of water, into a needleless syringe and pushed it into his ass.

[hippifried]

If somebody has a buzz on when they show up, oh well. I would think that should be expected, due to the nature of the industry itself. How many clients are there on a whim? But bringing illegal substnces into someone's home or place of business without permission is just rude. If they ask first, at least that's being polite. No sense in getting pissed about that.

Of course if they're real drunk, they'll probably just pass out quickly anyway. That's when you shake them awake & say "Wow! You really had a great time. Thanks for the extra large tip. See ya.".

[hippifried]

He put about a .5 gram of coke, with about 3 cc's of water, into a needleless syringe and pushed it into his ass.
Turkey baster works too.

[Nicole Dupre]

If somebody has a buzz on when they show up, oh well. I would think that should be expected, due to the nature of the industry itself. How many clients are there on a whim? But bringing illegal substnces into someone's home or place of business without permission is just rude. If they ask first, at least that's being polite. No sense in getting pissed about that.

Of course if they're real drunk, they'll probably just pass out quickly anyway. That's when you shake them awake & say "Wow! You really had a great time. Thanks for the extra large tip. See ya.".
If he sounded fairly sane when he called, it would have been one thing. But he could barely speak, and when he did he was sketchy. It was like pulling teeth to talk to him, and then he blurted out the question about smoking rocks. I said, "You're pretty incoherent, and I'm not dealing with you. I'm sure someone else might be desperate enough to babysit you, but it won't be me." *click

Seriously, if you want to get high, at least act human. lol

[KimberlyBanxxx]

Turkey baster works too.

oh my lmao

[alyssaluxor]

i've had a few experiences..
guys coming from bars, clubs etc during the weekends and what not
they might be tipsy
i've been asked by a "date" if they can smoke meth while they see me (um...NOOOOOOO!)
i've had dates show up w/ coke and weed..
i've had a guy i used to pee on, he'd always use poppers (wtf are they really)
so, i've had a few experiences..

all of those same as me

how could a girl be turn on with a guy whos drunk and stinky
and a guy whos high in drugs his eyes look red and so scary lol

just my 2 cents worth ;)

[slinky]

i've had a guy i used to pee on, he'd always use poppers (wtf are they really)

Don't you just hate it when people do weird shit while you are pissing on them?

[slinky]

He put about a .5 gram of coke, with about 3 cc's of water, into a needleless syringe and pushed it into his ass.

Works better if you use a long straw and pack it in one end as tightly as possible, insert the straw fairly far up, and then use some sort of pressurized gas (but not TOO fucking pressurized; you don't want to perforate your colon. If nothing else, you can always just blow into the exposed end - definitely need a partner for that!) to "blast" your blast to cover as much surface area of the colon as possible. Also, unless using a lot of solution, the enema will remain mostly at the bottom of the rectum, whereas if the powder is blown up into the sigmoid colon, which has much higher absorptive properties (or so I am told). Now this is something much harder to do by yourself and much easier if you have a partner. For a source of a compressed gas, soda siphons tend to work very well since you have a pretty good ability to regulate the intensity and length of the blast, which is best very short and fairly intensely (think of a blow dart). Some people tend to have these around anyway while doing other drugs (if they know how to get really high, really fast anyways). Plus there's no need to waste anywhere near 1/2 a gram to get the desired effect.

[mbf]

Lately Ive noticed a lot of client ive met are either drunk/intoxicated or have taken illegal drugs.
Alyssa Luxor

Err....you know, this board is requented mostly by yanks and euros, and a few folks from south america as it seems.

So, who exactly are you talking about?

You whore mostly in Asia, right? Evey region of the world has a different drug culture, hell, even in the same country you have different attitude towards drugs in different social/income groups.

[KimberlyBanxxx]

Don't you just hate it when people do weird shit while you are pissing on them?

..no..
not really.
lol

[alyssaluxor]

Err....you know, this board is requented mostly by yanks and euros, and a few folks from south america as it seems.

So, who exactly are you talking about?

You whore mostly in Asia, right? Evey region of the world has a different drug culture, hell, even in the same country you have different attitude towards drugs in different social/income groups.

uhmmm yeahhh lol

[ilove2swallow]

i dont know why weed is shunned these days. I mean, thw tranny scene is a counter-culture... So are drugs. It goes almosr hand n hand. Their are always those lying business men types, that cheat on their wives... But they suck.

[dgs925]

This just means you're a Darwinian looser with poor character judgment.
This coming from the person drinking Dr. Pepper from a wine glass? You haven't got any room to call someone else a loser after admitting to that shit.


Statistical data is ........ scientifically useless

You obviously are scientifically illiterate, which in itself is nothing to be ashamed of. All that you need to do to change that is invest in some college classes, I recommend physics or chemistry. You would see that a vast majority of scientific discoveries utilize statistics to validate their findings. This is even more true in the social sciences, where direct experimentation is not possible for legal and ethical reasons.

[manc_jay]

Has anyone suggested the simple thing that some men, newbies and maybe even veterans might just be getting a little dutch courage before the visit?

A little bit of whatever might also help to lower inhibitions a bit and help him enjoy himself, im not saying turning up smashed is acceptable but relaxed is surely cool?

[alyssaluxor]

^ im ok with guys who to take it to relaxed and make themselves comfortable as long as they still know how to respect their partner.

but im talking with guys whos so drunk cant even talk well and so high in drugs that their eyes so red and face/actions looks scary. do i still elaborate it more and you already getting my point lol

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[Nicole Dupre]

Has anyone suggested the simple thing that some men, newbies and maybe even veterans might just be getting a little dutch courage before the visit?

A little bit of whatever might also help to lower inhibitions a bit and help him enjoy himself, im not saying turning up smashed is acceptable but relaxed is surely cool?
I'm not giving breathalizer or urine tests to potential clients. But if you seem too fucked up, for all intents and purposes, you ARE too fucked up. If you can't conduct yourself properly, you're a liability.

[mbf]

This is what we all are

YouTube- Weezer - We Are All On Drugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0OVpyvey4U)

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

This coming from the person drinking Dr. Pepper from a wine glass? You haven't got any room to call someone else a loser after admitting to that shit.



You obviously are scientifically illiterate, which in itself is nothing to be ashamed of. All that you need to do to change that is invest in some college classes, I recommend physics or chemistry. You would see that a vast majority of scientific discoveries utilize statistics to validate their findings. This is even more true in the social sciences, where direct experimentation is not possible for legal and ethical reasons....After stating what I used for a prop in a porn shoot? You have a problem with that? You must be high.

Social science. Science for pussies who are bad at math. Dude - you're totally rockin' your college education all over this tranny porn forum! Way to be!

[dgs925]

...After stating what I used for a prop in a porn shoot? You have a problem with that? You must be high.

I just think it is pretty lame to be so afraid of drugs and alcohol that, rather than actually drink or just hold a glass of wine, you fill the glass with Dr. Pepper. I was just trying to make a point about glass houses and stone throwing.

It is agreed that junkies and addicts are a bit pathetic, but I've also found straight-edge people to be insufferable. You don't want to touch any chemicals whatsoever? That is just fine, but don't think you can look down on those that do. As with most everything in life, moderation is key when it comes to mind-altering substances.


Social science. Science for pussies who are bad at math.

Huh? I was actually making the point that statistical inferences are necessary in both hard and soft sciences. I try not to look down on those that aren't quantum dynamicists like myself. A better definition for social science might be "science for people who are interested in the human condition."


Dude - you're totally rockin' your college education all over this tranny porn forum! Way to be!

Thank you, I've always felt that an education is never something to be ashamed of.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

Who said anything about straight edge? I smoke Black & Milds, and drink about a case and a half of beer over the course of a year if I'm out on the town. That's all the brain cells I care to destroy please and thank you. I'm too good at too many things to risk fucking up my out put for cheap thrills.

And as far as shame goes, that all depends on how much you spent on your degree when library cards and Google and networking are virtually free.

[TS Kourtney]

To infer that I am glamorizing substance use and abuse would be a highly
incorrect inference.

Rather, it is because I have personally struggled with drugs and alcohol, and
have lost many, many family, loved ones, and friends to both, is the reason
why I have made the statements that I have.

Further, the fact that I am able to back up my personal experiences with
empirical support should not diminish the validity of my statements, nor
should the fact that I have been clean and sober going into two decades.

Bottom line, I may not be involved with things that I was in the past, but
that does not mean I am oblivious to them now.

Well said! Congratulations on your longevity. That is truly a blessing. As one who should have been dead several times over due to drug ODs, I tip my hat to you. Life is clearly better present in it. ;o) Thank you for clearing that up.

[TS Kourtney]

OMG! Are you really talking about HOW to give Cocaine enemas? Serously? Ladies, please.

[Nicole Dupre]

LOL Oh gurl, PLEASE. The very nature of the entire porn industry is TACKY, if you want to come right down to it. I wouldn't be caught dead discussing 90% of these topics anywhere else. Women parading around with their cocks hanging out ANYWHERE is as unlady-like as it gets.

[Helvis2012]

People like to fuck when they're fucked up. It's that simple.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

People like to fuck when they're fucked up. It's that simple.

I like to leave when they're fucked up. It's that... words, words, words...

[peggygee]

Well said! Congratulations on your longevity. That is truly a blessing. As one who should have been dead several times over due to drug ODs, I tip my hat to you. Life is clearly better present in it. ;o) Thank you for clearing that up.


Thanks, and yeah drugs and alcohol almost took me out on a number of
occasions.

I truly do feel blessed and highly favored for being able to get and stay
clean.

One day at a time.

[slinky]

I like to leave when they're fucked up. It's that... words, words, words...

{Insert joke about Koala Bear and prostitute here}

[TS Kourtney]

LOL Oh gurl, PLEASE. The very nature of the entire porn industry is TACKY, if you want to come right down to it. I wouldn't be caught dead discussing 90% of these topics anywhere else. Women parading around with their cocks hanging out ANYWHERE is as unlady-like as it gets.

LOL! True, true. You have a very valid point! It just took me by surprise. ;o)

[thombergeron]

I would never questions someone's personal experience, since it is certainly most valid for that individual. So Nicole and others, I'm certain that what you're saying about your work is true and it's commendable that you insist on high standards of professionalism in your work.

That said, I think it's important to keep in mind that professional sex workers posting to this board are not representative of the sex worker population at large. The majority of sex workers are poor, uneducated, and indeed, use substances.

Interestingly, I know Bonita and Xiaoming, authors of the first study Peggy cited. They would be tickled to see their paper here. My own work touches only tangentially on this population, but I would like to respond to a couple of comments made regarding "science" and "statistics." While it would be technically possible for one to design an epidemiological study to show whatever results the designer wanted, it would be difficult to get such a study published in a peer-reveiwed journal. And while we can argue about the rigor of this individual survey or that particular program intervention, the Li, Li and Stanton paper that Peggy cited is a review of the findings 76 different studies.

Again, I greatly appreciate that Nicole and Jamie and others do not tolerate substance use in their own work. However, it is an empirical fact that substance use is pervasive in sex work. The body of scientific literature on the topic, both past and present, very consistently shows this to be the case.