lecture excerpts on the eroticization of tgirls

[Super_dave]

not sure if this is a repost but super interesting vid: YouTube- The eroticization of M2F transsexuals by straight men (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v79_9x7JlQ&feature=related)

thoughts?

[laoda8]

Pretty interesting. she's also pretty cute.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Nina is a amazing person, very talented, and very intelligent.

[laoda8]

I was thinking she was related to you allanah lol.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I was thinking she was related to you allanah lol.

Ha. People always used to say that we looked a like. Maybe because our affinity for make up, the same hair part, and plastic surgery.

She interviewed me for FAB Magazine in Toronto over the phone and then we got to meet when I visited Toronto and I have seen her a few times since when I have been in Canada.

She is very nice and very interesting and has done quite a few things from acting to wrting, etc.

[laoda8]

I'd wish they had these classes in my college, I would have been completely floored when the words "fuck in the ass" and "suck dick" popped up. I probably would have paid more attention than I did in my college.

[goliath_91710]

OMG! I've got a new crush! I love intelligent women... AND she's hot! Loved the lecture, btw.

[MrBlonde]

WOW! Super interesting and hot at the same time. Cue Van Halen...Hot for the Teacher!!

[Super_dave]

Thought people would like this, cool opinions from a pretty cool lady

[sucka4chix]

"How can you be BORN with an attraction to people's bodies that don't even exist in nature?". "They don't identify as gay... They can't be classified as bisexual because they don't like men and women". Wow, a professor who affirms most of my beliefs. If only more people thought like she does! She's a transsexual that truly gets it. Hanging out on HA leads one to believe most of them don't.

[giovanni_hotel]

Too many civilians see TGs as TV/CDs, and I for one am glad to see the message getting to the masses that transsexuals exist in their own category and can't be conveniently typed.

Once the media no longer refers to Tgirls as a 'he' in a random news story, real progress will have been made.

[sucka4chix]

Lol @ "civilians"!

[giovanni_hotel]

I also like her point that str8 men see tgirls as just another type of woman, like blonde, brunette, fat, skinny, black, white, short, tall, etc.

The internet IMO has played an incalculable role in legions of str8 men coming to terms with a previously unknown powerful, sexual/emotional attraction to TGs.

Once you come to the realization the hott GG in a str8 porn is 9 times out of 10 faking it, while TGs frequently have stiff erections as they're being fucked, and that many tgirl porn scenes end with a girl cumming...well, strictly from a sexual performance standpoint, the TG sex scene is infinitely superior to the majority of GG porn.

This is partly the reason why I had gravitated away from conventional str8 porn and became interested in strictly amateur hetero content, with a man and an orgasmic woman filming themselves having sex for the only reason that it turns them both on.

Actually, I'm beginning to think there are more str8 men at least sexually curious about TGs than there are gay men total in the U.S.

Which really sux for tgirl lovers like myself, because truthfully, how many preop TGS are there out here?? 50,000?? 100,000?? I doubt there are a million tgirls nationwide, or even globally.
Then when you start to cull the list to include only those you find 'attractive', that number plummets.

Still it's always cool to see a lovely TG remind men that being attracted to TGs is chiefly a heterosexual archetype than than a homosexual one.

A lot of guys will say, 'if there's a dick, it's a dude,' mistakenly focusing too much on the penis, when most tgirls lovers, I believe, start off with their attraction to the GIRL first, such as, 'that is a HOTT girl who also happens to have a penis!' - and is not a some random genitalia dressed up like a female.

Being attracted to a girl's cock for me was an 'acquired taste' - how can you be str8 and put a dick in your mouth!?, until I reached a point that I was equally attracted to a GG's pussy the same way that I was to a TG's 'pretty clitty'.

Anyway, back to the OP, the vid seems edited for length and I would like to see the entire lecture.
I noticed there was only a sprinkling of guys in that classroom, which for most 20-something males, makes perfect sense. Too bad!!

[sucka4chix]

I've been trying, to no avail, to explain this to people for a while: the transsexual, especially MTF, throws a monkey wrench into all theories on sexuality. The vocabulary currently does not exist to explain myself sexually. I am not gay, not bi, not totally straight. I identify as straight. She was right that we don't go to gay parades (although I checked one out last year). And when we do frequent events, we go looking for hot chicks--- that's it. Gay guys go to drag shows to say "that dress is fierce". Tranny admirers go to see some ass!
The dick thing is the sticking point (pun intended). Heteros, gays, even t-girls themselves get caught up on it. Once you have accepted a tgirl as something different from a guy and a girl, you can see the cock simply as a body part SHE has. As someone said, she is a unicorn, but the horn MAKES her a unicorn and not just another pony. I am comfortable using phrases like "her cock" because to me a tgirl is a feminine anomaly that defies conventinal definitions. I view her cock no differently than I do her lips--- guys have lips, but I don't ever want to touch them. Guys have cocks, but I never want to touch them. A girls cock is a different matter.
I realize this is a point that every guy has not come to, but I do think it is a natural progression, an "acquired taste" as you say.
I find her thoughts refreshing because most if the girls here have absolutely no idea of the mindset of the guys who like them, nor do they try to obtain an idea.

[giovanni_hotel]

You're absolutely right, sucka4chix!!
A few girls understand the mindset of why str8 guys are attracted to them, but most really have no clue and deep down I think it confuses some TGs.

Sad to say, but many TGs are too caught in being defined by their penis, when it's the COMBINATION of a feminine girl with a cock that's the 'magic trick', and not the dick by itself.

[traLika]

You're both right. She was spot on!

[biguy4tvtscd]

Gorgeous and intelligent, and I could listen to her all day.

And I agree 100% with sucka4chix's last post. Pretty much spot on.

[anon451]

Very cool chick and understands me completely..

[kyoJecours]

awesome video she's super intelligent which is always a turn on. i discovered the transexual world when i was 16 so now after eight years i am totally comfortable with my attraction. for a short while i used to think 'what's wrong with me' but then i understood that i was open minded enough to appreciate how special these women are. i honestly believe that all guys have the potential to be attracted to transexuals but most don't have the capacity to get over the initial boundaries. how can any straight guy say they don't find allanah starr hot??? you'd be gay NOT to! and then aside from the physical there is also the psychological aspect and i don't mean this in a rude way but most guys don't have the intelligence to understand the 'concept' behind transexuals.

[m4u2008]

Very interesting, a great video and some interesting posts. Definitely thought provoking and as posted before the statement of straight men seeing tgirls as another type of girl is pretty accurate I would say. My affection for tgirls and experiences with them has not stopped me from being attracted to girls or only wanting to see tgirls.

A gorgeous tgirl has it all! Straight guys enjoy penetration, they like girls breasts, many guys enjoy anal with their gf's (chance would be a fine thing), most men like to masturbate so enjoy their cock and therefore appreciate someone else's great cock. Guys love blow jobs so get pleasure also out of giving them. For sure the is much more to it, but simply put does a tgirl not have everything!

I'm really only attracted to passable natural tgirls, but then again I feel the same about straight females, i don't like obviously surgery or the obsessive desire to keep revisiting the surgeon for more work, bigger boobs, lips, etc.

Beauty is a mix of the physical and personality, but of course a picture only shows one dimension. There are times when you grow attracted to a girl you didn't start finding physically attracted and equally can quickly go off a gorgeous looking girl with a bad personality!

I only use the description 'tgirls' in my post to distinguish and difference but truthfully I should probably go back and delete it as for me a tgirl is simply a girl, some I find sexy and some I don't.

[TSLoverUK999]

WoW brilliant break down & analysis.

[timxxx]

Very interesting lecture,but at about 2min mark l think l saw like a ten year old kid in that lecture.

[horst1]

i'd love to come in towards the end of the lecture and pick her up haha

[sucka4chix]

Umm... can't help but notice the absence of the hateful beeyotches in this thread! Can't believe they agree with all the "faggotry"

[Willfromengland]

atleast some 1 understands us guys

[boner]

What she says makes a lot of sense. Like a lot of guys who like transsexuals I used to wonder if I was gay. Liking trannies isn't 100% straight but it's not 100% gay either because gay guys like guys. The tgirls I like are feminine, they just happen to have a cock.

[BellaBellucci]

Umm... can't help but notice the absence of the hateful beeyotches in this thread! Can't believe they agree with all the "faggotry"

I've been saying this all along. :geek:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

I've been saying this all along. :geek:

~BB~

When all a 'girl' can do is fling non-sensical, nasty, unfounded, completely contrived monkey feces at people as she hides behind the same heavily airbrushed avatars for over 2 years, it's not pretty. But that's merely one ugly thing about 'her.' She speaks with authority not because she knows anything the rest of us don't, but because without using that tone, she wouldn't be able to scare away anybody who would confront her. I for one am not scared of her, and nobody else should be either. She's just like a more masculine Perez Hilton around these parts. Good for her.

How's that career in radio going? God knows you sure do have the face for it. lol

[Helvis2012]

Interesting.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think the most interesting thing I've heard in ages was Bella saying that all drag queens are men; even the post op trannys.

[sunairco]

I'd like to go beyond the message here. What's going on with the delivery here? She's either looking up in a pensive glance or looking down at the floor. She's strutting around in full camp with her peek a boo lock of hair and posturing. What's the point? The message is in the delivery and the contact/connection with your audience. This is a total disconnect with the students and hard to accept seriously. I'll give it that she's inexperienced with lecturing, but this isn't a show stage where you're trying to glamourize and allure with your movement and posture. I see a class that's principally female with a few males. The message of sexuality is going to be lost on the females. Guaranteed the topic in the hall and among the girls is going to be the passability, clothes, the hair, the makeup, any jewelry. It's not going to be about sexuality or the debate of sisterhood, it's going to be about the accessorization and the camp. Girls by nature aren't homophobic, so I really doubt that that enters into the equation. This is a shame b/c the the message like this is going to enter society's consciousness through women not men. This is the demographic the message needs to be focused on and appeal and resonate to their experiences as women.

[traLika]

I'd like to go beyond the message here. What's going on with the delivery here? She's either looking up in a pensive glance or looking down at the floor. She's strutting around in full camp with her peek a boo lock of hair and posturing. What's the point? The message is in the delivery and the contact/connection with your audience. This is a total disconnect with the students and hard to accept seriously. I'll give it that she's inexperienced with lecturing, but this isn't a show stage where you're trying to glamourize and allure with your movement and posture. I see a class that's principally female with a few males. The message of sexuality is going to be lost on the females. Guaranteed the topic in the hall and among the girls is going to be the passability, clothes, the hair, the makeup, any jewelry. It's not going to be about sexuality or the debate of sisterhood, it's going to be about the accessorization and the camp. Girls by nature aren't homophobic, so I really doubt that that enters into the equation. This is a shame b/c the the message like this is going to enter society's consciousness through women not men. This is the demographic the message needs to be focused on and appeal and resonate to their experiences as women.

You've gotta remember that the video says she was a guest lecturer at York University, so she obviously just came along and was being herself. And anyway, there are a lot of other unusual and eccentric people in the academic world...

Also, the video says it was a course called 'Introduction to Critical Sexualities'. That's an obscure course that probably wouldn't have been attended by students who were studying Maths, English, History, Chemistry, Physics, Fine Art or whatever.

And if was an 'open' course (one that any student could come along to), some hetero guys with a secret interest in tgirls would probably have been reluctant to turn up as they'd feel their private fantasies might be exposed. Don't forget we're a very reserved, inhibited lot here in the UK! ;)

I just think it's great that the video has come out on YouTube where it can reach a wider audience and help to further a general acceptance of transsexuality.

[BeardedOne]

Great vid and I too would like to see the entire lecture, if it's available.

I've tried to explain the 'admirer' (For lack of a better word that is not as derogatory as 'chaser') to TW a couple of times wherein many, if not most, consider themselves to be 'straight'. She can't grasp the concept and it's hard to promote it when the human mindset, as a whole, views sexuality as a purely binary form.

She understands my attraction to transgendered people (Both M2F and F2M) from the fact that I am genuinely bisexual (Or, to cover all bases, pan/omnisexual) and have a wide array of attractions that don't limit my interests and desires to a set standard in sexual binary rules. If I'm attracted to a person via looks, personality, gender/gender identity, I go with the flow.

What most people don't grok is that it's hard for a guy to say he's straight when he's got a mouthful of 'clitty'. I'm sure it's even more difficult to understand the words "Um nuff guh!" if the individual being interviewed is being 'spit roasted' by his two favorite gurls.

That's still a fantasy of mine...Being 'spit roasted', not the interview part. ;)

A note on the audience:

I see a couple of references to the gender make-up of the lecture attendees and their probable motivation. If you go back and look a little closer, you'll note a fair number of goth/punk and gender-neutral people there. I wasn't even in the room and I can smell a high mix of dyke and club kid in the air. These are generally people who are comfortable in their own sexuality, but who are trying to fit into the larger picture in a way that doesn't box them in. They are also trying to understand their own community, especially if they have felt pings of transgenderism in their own lives.

Really, how many of the gurls here have wanted just a little bit of insight into why some men (Who honestly believe that they are 'straight') have such a deep interest in you, as you are, clitty and all?