You like Transgender women, so do you support Gay right?

[bat1]

How can guys love Trans Women and not support gay rights?

I like Trans Women and I do go to Gay clubs (That's where Tgirls
go!) I see Trans Women in Gay Pride parades SO YES! I support
Gay rights!


I go to straight clubs guys tell me I would never go to a Gay club
or even be around Gays but I would F#$k a nice Tranny..go figure

Where are you? for Gay Rights or not?

[Nicole Dupre]

*coughclosetcasescough

[giovanni_hotel]

Gay clubs are the huge downside of pursuing tranny chicks.

[Coroner]

Absolutely. Look, I´m not going to gay bars but I´m aware that loving t-girls is not straight at all. Transgender people belong into the LGBT category and men who admire t-girls are not just, well, "observers". The parade in Vienna is called "Regenbogen Parade". It´s gonna be this saturday and I´m thinking about attending. Here´s a funny story: in 2003, a friend of mine asked me if I´d like to work for a couple of hours on the "Love Parade". I was a little bit confused because the only Love Parade happens in Berlin and it´s not a gay parade but an techno event. Well, I confirmed. So, when they day finally came, we had to go to the office where we´d be instructed (we were distributing flyers). That office turned out to be an editorial department of a gay magazine (not porn but on gay social issues and lifestyle). They knew we were not gay but that was ok. So I was marching on the parade, distributing that flyers and it was great. I have to remark that I was a little bit close minded back in 2003, completely convinced of my uber-heterosexuality, even if I was jerking off to t-girls. I´m not gay but being attracted to t-girls is just different and if you expect understanding and tolerance, you gotta support gay folks, too.

[Christastic]

Everybody should support gay rights, regardless of how they feel about transfolk.

[rockabilly]

Equal rights for all , even fudge packers and muff divers.

lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Whether or not you're "gay", the straight world looks at you as faggots. I'm sorry, but you are NOT straight enough for them. You might as well be homos as far as most "straight" people are concerned. Where as, gay people and gay clubs are FAR BETTER about embracing diversity. Some of you guys cop this attitude that you "don't want any guys coming on to you" at a gay club. Please. Gay men are so fucking picky. So I doubt you're in danger of being raped or getting your ass touched. Trust me. ;) But by all means, stick with your concept of yourself being oh-so straight, and see where that gets you. There are a handfuls of trans-only events, and they're only in big cities. So unless you go to one of those very rare clubs or parties, you aren't hooking up.

We faced/face being labeled as "gay", so what makes you bozos any better?

[Nicole Dupre]

Everybody should support gay rights, regardless of how they feel about transfolk.
Damn straight. No pun intended. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Equal rights for all , even fudge packers and muff divers.

lol
Testify, mah non-straight brutha! :rock2

[mansamusa]

Yes.
I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't....

[giovanni_hotel]

Gay guys are stalkers when they think you identify as straight and appear to be non-hostile, from my experience, most of which occurs in a gym lockerroom.

It doesn't happen immediately, but if they like you physically, they LOVE to strike up conversations while you're both naked, or compliment your body, ask what kind of workout you do for this muscle group, etc.

I had an old queen who would be super-aggressive in his approach towards me, to the point he would leave his telephone number scribbled on a piece of paper at least once a week in my locker, talking to me while he's got his eyes dancing on my cock.

That's not cool, when you tell someone you are NOT interested, and they still just don't give a damn.

Going to a gay bar hoping to 'connect' with maybe one or two trans women who might be there along with the 150 guys on the make is STRESSFUL for a guy who still thinks 100% hetero but will still gladly deep throat a tranny's cock.

Yeah, it's ironic, but gay bars make me feel crowded in a bad way.

[russtafa]

I go to gay clubs with my ts girl so she dosent get hit apon all the time by sleazebags at Tranny clubs cause it pisses us off.

[sucka4chix]

Gotta agree with Giovanni-- Gay men are, after all, MEN. They act no differently than straight men who want to hook up. Some are shy, but most are aggressive! I've been to gay bars and always get touched. If not your ass, they feel it's ok to touch your back or shoulder when they pass. I know that game---I used to do the same to GGs. I used to work with a gay guy who everyone knew was gay and everyone was cool with. He was always trying to push up. Kinda harmless 'cause I knew it was never gonna happen, but saying gay gays don't go after "straight" guys is irresponsible.
I think one of the issues between TS and admirers is that a TS presents herself as a woman and therefore attracts guys who are attracted to women. Most of these guys know little about the gay community and want little to do with it, but some girls want to throw them into it.
The original question is kinda naive... It's like asking how can you fuck GGs and not support women's rights??? That shit's been happening for centuries, so apparently the answer is "rather easily"!

[Nicole Dupre]

Gotta agree with Giovanni-- Gay men are, after all, MEN. They act no differently than straight men who want to hook up. Some are shy, but most are aggressive! I've been to gay bars and always get touched. If not your ass, they feel it's ok to touch your back or shoulder when they pass. I know that game---I used to do the same to GGs. I used to work with a gay guy who everyone knew was gay and everyone was cool with. He was always trying to push up. Kinda harmless 'cause I knew it was never gonna happen, but saying gay gays don't go after "straight" guys is irresponsible.
I think one of the issues between TS and admirers is that a TS presents herself as a woman and therefore attracts guys who are attracted to women. Most of these guys know little about the gay community and want little to do with it, but some girls want to throw them into it.
The original question is kinda naive... It's like asking how can you fuck GGs and not support women's rights??? That shit's been happening for centuries, so apparently the answer is "rather easily"!
You used to work with a gay guy? Omg. That's crazy. lol Was he really neat and tidy too, and did he sing show tunes at the water cooler?

And I think all those ass pinches you supposedly got are wishful thing on your part. No offense, but you put out the uptight breeder vibe like no one else on this forum. That usually makes gay people cringe. But let's see your pic and I'll tell you if you got your ass pinched.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think one of the issues between TS and admirers is that a TS presents herself as a woman and therefore attracts guys who are attracted to women. Most of these guys know little about the gay community and want little to do with it, but some girls want to throw them into it.

By the way, this is just retarded. Straight guys wander into drag shows to get a glimpse of a M2F, often looking like they're going to shit a brick. But no woman 'throws' a man into it. Stop with the silly macho posturing. You sound like a rapist who's excuse is, "She was asking for it." Tell it to the judge.

[sucka4chix]

By the way, this is just retarded. Straight guys wander into drag shows to get a glimpse of a M2F, often looking like they're going to shit a brick. But no woman 'throws' a man into it. Stop with the silly macho posturing. You sound like a rapist who's excuse is, "She was asking for it." Tell it to the judge.
What I mean is a TS will make the assumption that because a guy is into HER he's automatically comfortable with other gay lifestyle shit!
And trust me, you know very little about me and trying to dissect me by reading my posts will never work. Trust me, your analysis is WAAAAAY off.

[Nicole Dupre]

What I mean is a TS will make the assumption that because a guy is into HER he's automatically comfortable with other gay lifestyle shit!
And trust me, you know very little about me and trying to dissect me by reading my posts will never work. Trust me, your analysis is WAAAAAY off.
Ok. I trust you. lol I'll just take your word for it that you are not into any "other gay lifestyle shit". I also believe that J.Edgar Hoover was "all man".

[youshouldtrythislol]

gay/straight are just lables, used to discriminate. i think everyone should lose the labels, and just do what makes them happy, in the end, that is all that matters, not society's opinions.

[ed_jaxon]

This thread has kind of veered off topic but I am going to take it even further off.

Equal rights for all should be a given but its not. What seems to be an issue that does not receive much attention is that gay rights and transgendered rights have many areas where they diverge.

Too often in the GLBT spectrum, transgendered support is sacrificed.

[giovanni_hotel]

Actually, I'd probably feel MORE comfortable going to a gay bar with a girl, than alone or with a couple of guys.

Feeling uncomfortable going to a gay bar, or, um solo, is more my hang-up than the clientele there, I freely admit.

I've only been overtly 'hit on' by two gay men EVER in my life, and both times they were aged queens who were 20+ years older than me.

Otherwise, I can say honestly that I've never had any grief personally from a gay person, and most of my 'issues' are that the thought of being 'approached' by a gay man is off-putting.
Girls from a young age learn to navigate the advances of men, but for a 'str8' guy it can take them out of their social comfort zone, if and when it happens.

However, the same way that a female can posture in such a way that says she does NOT want to be bothered, a man can too, in a more subtle way, which IMO most gay men will pick up on and won't approach. And definitely if they think you're str8, most don't bother to inquire.

I agree with Nicole that as a rule, gay men can be extremely particular in their tastes, and most are too savvy and discreet to randomly throw themselves at another man of unknown proclivities, but that still is the str8 boi's paranoia/fantasy, that no gay man could ever resist ME!!LOL

Bottom line, if a TG wants to go to a gay bar for drinks, I'm there. But if she wants me to wait there at the bar for an hour until she arrives, I'm gonna be a little bitch about it and ask can we make other arrangements!

EDIT: Back to the OP - I don't see how anyone on this forum could be against equal rights for the LGBT community.

[CaptainPlanet]

Whether or not you're "gay", the straight world looks at you as faggots. I'm sorry, but you are NOT straight enough for them. You might as well be homos as far as most "straight" people are concerned. Where as, gay people and gay clubs are FAR BETTER about embracing diversity. Some of you guys cop this attitude that you "don't want any guys coming on to you" at a gay club. Please. Gay men are so fucking picky. So I doubt you're in danger of being raped or getting your ass touched. Trust me. ;) But by all means, stick with your concept of yourself being oh-so straight, and see where that gets you. There are a handfuls of trans-only events, and they're only in big cities. So unless you go to one of those very rare clubs or parties, you aren't hooking up.

We faced/face being labeled as "gay", so what makes you bozos any better?

Gay guys picky? YA RIGHT!!!! Last time i went to a Gay club it was with a group of GG's and i got my ass grabbed like 2-3 times. The bathroom, you dont want to even go there, guy walked up on me on the urinal, and tryed to spoon me, WTF. i was so disturbed i almost pissed on myself.

Use to work out at Crunch in NYC, it got so bad there that MGMT, put up signs for no camera phones, in the lockerrooms because a few Gay guys decided to snap pics of there naked str8 counterparts.

Last but not least went 2, the Oxwood and i was getting grilled by more guys then TS.

[sucka4chix]

I was in Orlando, met a gyrl, then she introduces me to her friend (gay guy). He's all smiles with that gleam in his eye like "you can have both of us"! Now THAT makes me very uncomfortable--- got with this chick once, went to her place, fucked, fell asleep. Woke up when gay guy shows up. Turns out it was his house and HIS BED. I was scared to death when he climbed in bed too. I was so happy to get thrown out. Some people assume if you like dick, you like DICK. Sounds silly, but just because you like girl cock doesn't mean you like, well, cock cock. That's like saying if you'll put your dick in a girl's mouth you'll put it in a guy's mouth! By that logic I guess everyone is gay.

[giovanni_hotel]

I know exactly what you're saying, sucka4chix.
All dick is NOT the same, which is why I'm on HA!!

[Nicole Dupre]

In a gay club, you are in a competitive meat market. There are usually at least a half dozen guys walking around with body of a Greek god. Just because some pushy faggot wants you, doesn't mean he'll get you.

I think the real problem is that you guys aren't used to being someplace where EVERYONE is a potential sex object. Women generally don't treat guys that way. Gay men don't care. If they feel like it, they'll hit on you. If they get rejected, they'll try with someone else. But it's the guys who are the most gorgeous who are at the top of the food chain. Doesn't that make you feel cheap? lol

[giovanni_hotel]

In a gay bar, I'm perfectly comfortable being a crumb on the floor!!LOL

[Nicole Dupre]

In a gay bar, I'm perfectly comfortable being a crumb on the floor!!LOL
There are so many different types of gay clubs anyway, and drag shows are usually pretty tame events. In fact, there are usually enough lesbians there to see the show that the crowd is visibly diverse. Trust me, it's not exactly like walking into a leather bar or a bath house. lol

Now, if you walk into a club called "Ramrods" or "The Cubby Hole"? And you're surrounded by men in chaps with pierced nipples? And you get a whiff of one of those hospital disinfectant cleaners, like they use to mop the floors of a peep booth? Maybe you should turn around and walk out. Otherwise, most places are pretty laid back.

[rockabilly]

Just posting a funny pic.

[Virtualdistance]

Nope , i dont...

[russtafa]

wow some of you guys havent much experience with life .i feel ok going to gay bars with my girl and theres not the aggressive feel that you get at alot of straight bars

[Ben]

Equal rights for all , even fudge packers and muff divers.

lol

Equal rights for all -- including muff divers -- ha!ha!ha!
I consider myself part of the LGBT community, as it were -- :)

[Nicole Dupre]

wow some of you guys havent much experience with life .i feel ok going to gay bars with my girl and theres not the aggressive feel that you get at alot of straight bars
Thank you. That's EXACTLY what I mean.

These guys can't seem to wrap their brains around the concept that, chances are, they aren't getting any tranny nookie in a sports bar. Watching men in tight spandex patting each other on the ass does nothing for me. But if we were in a straight bar, we wouldn't wear name tags that say, "Hi. I'm Nicole, and I have a cock." Sorry. lol

[sucka4chix]

wow some of you guys havent much experience with life .i feel ok going to gay bars with my girl and theres not the aggressive feel that you get at alot of straight bars
Surely you're not serious! Think about what you wrote and tell me why it doesn't apply.

[sucka4chix]

There are so many different types of gay clubs anyway, and drag shows are usually pretty tame events. In fact, there are usually enough lesbians there to see the show that the crowd is visibly diverse. Trust me, it's not exactly like walking into a leather bar or a bath house. lol

Now, if you walk into a club called "Ramrods" or "The Cubby Hole"? And you're surrounded by men in chaps with pierced nipples? And you get a whiff of one of those hospital disinfectant cleaners, like they use to mop the floors of a peep booth? Maybe you should turn around and walk out. Otherwise, most places are pretty laid back.

First off I'm pretty driven by my attraction to tgirls, but even I ain't going in a club called Ramrods!!
Second, I think tame by Gay standards as far different than tame to outsiders. Typically if you go to a straight club, guys don't take off their shirts, but that's like a prereq for every gay club I've ever been to! Your chances of seeing a guy in a jock strap is pretty high too!
Gay porn playing on closed circuit all around the club--- that's not tame either. And if ya wanna know where I saw all this stuff, let's see, I've been to a club in the gay district in Dallas (can't remember name, but if you go looking for trans it's a waste), Parliament House and that other place in Orlando, Twist on South Beach, the old Copa in Ft Lauderdale and I saw a drag show at a dance club in Coral Gables. I don't have any friends that woulda thought any of it tame!

[Nicole Dupre]

Gay and trans culture are pretty intertwined. And the Copa was a pretty decadent club. I'll give you that.

But try Voodoo in Ft Lauderdale. It's very straight-friendly, and there are plenty of TS there every Sunday night.

[fred41]

wow some of you guys havent much experience with life .i feel ok going to gay bars with my girl and theres not the aggressive feel that you get at alot of straight bars

I understand completely...plus here in New York there are many different kinds of gay bars..some aggressive..some laid back with an older, milder crowd....and some very festive..lol.
If your girl is hot..then you don't have to worry about her getting hit on all the time the minute you go to the bathroom.
You do have to avoid the gay bars that are known for having TS working girls hanging out though..cause that just gets creepy.
...Oh yeah,..and there are also bisexuals in the bar sometimes so she could still get hit on when you go to the bathroom...lol.

..as far as getting hit on by gay men...it's still flattering..especially cause I'm not that young anymore...sooooo at least someone's noticing...:)

[rockabilly]

Just don't leave a friend passed out like this guy.

[Nicole Dupre]

Just don't leave a friend passed out like this guy.
"Bring on the Gimp!" lol

[rockabilly]

...........................

[sucka4chix]

Gay and trans culture are pretty intertwined. And the Copa was a pretty decadent club. I'll give you that.

But try Voodoo in Ft Lauderdale. It's very straight-friendly, and there are plenty of TS there every Sunday night.

Yeah I need to correct myself. I saw drag show there (Voodoo), and it was just your typical dance club, so that was tame. I didn't have anything to do before the show started though--- no T's until then, at least I didn't see 'em.

[Nicole Dupre]

If it was on a Sunday night, yes there were. lol

[Silcc69]

I personally feel that everybody should be able to lead the life they want to lead as long as aren't hurting other people. You will not find me protesting in ANYTHING but I would'nt care if gays got married since I can only worry about myself really.

[russtafa]

i have never seen a fight at a gay bar ,but i have seen a lot of viscious brawls at straight clubs and you dont get many tgirls at straight clubs

[princevince89]

I support gay rights, but it has nothing to do with my taste for transsexual girls, its simply because I'm rational.

[eze]

I'm not interested in going to gay bars nor interested in men but I fully 100% support gays and lesbians.

[Virtualdistance]

Whether or not you're "gay", the straight world looks at you as faggots. I'm sorry, but you are NOT straight enough for them. You might as well be homos as far as most "straight" people are concerned.

Not in my case , the tranny thing its a whole new sex to me much more exciting than the boring females , unfortunately i live in a part of the world where sexy trannys such as you are uncommon and i think thats why idiots adds us TSlovers to gayscene ... When i dont support gay is i don't watch gaporn and stuff like that while fantasizing and checking out hot trannys is my prime support-group , i Support TS and even though i never tried any i would not hesitate if i could get a date



Where as, gay people and gay clubs are FAR BETTER about embracing diversity.

Yea i was king of the karaoke when i visited the gayclub hehe sang some Alphaville Forever young and some Just can't get enough DM :)


Some of you guys cop this attitude that you "don't want any guys coming on to you" at a gay club. Please. Gay men are so fucking picky. So I doubt you're in danger of being raped or getting your ass touched. Trust me. ;)

Nobody gets raped but heres what happend on my Ultimate Gayclub cruise experience :
We went in and as soon as we were inside a strange guy grabbed his head and gave him a fast kiss saying :
-Welcome to the gayclub , gayfucker
-But im not gay..
-But you will be
-But im not
-But you will become ... Watching these bad pickuplines certainly was worth visiting a gayclub , sides it was synthpop nite and i love synthpop :)



We faced/face being labeled as "gay", so what makes you bozos any better?

That our definition of tranny aint freddy mercury using vacuum cleaner in moustache? :)

[TsVanessa69]

Being transgendered is not always being homosexual.
I identify as a woman who likes men.
Not everybody comprehends this.
Gay people don't even like transexuals, and degrade us more than straight opeople.
When I go out, I go to straight clubs or tg events.
What can a gay club offer a ts??

[TsVanessa69]

i have never seen a fight at a gay bar ,but i have seen a lot of viscious brawls at straight clubs and you dont get many tgirls at straight clubs
I dunno where you live.
And think about it. We LIVE our lives as WOMAN.
GAY men do NOT like transexuals.
What planet do you people live on?
Gay men want other MEN, not WOMAN, tg or gg.
We are on the same level as gg or surpass them. I go to straight clubs and get more love from everybody.
Gays give you attitude, think they are better than you and are turned off.
Even refer to us as the reason nobody respects them.
I am Puerto Rican, ts go to straight clubs, I dunno about white or black people.
In Chicago in the Puerto Rican community, we are RESPECTED and recognized as part of, and included our community.
I co founded a tg beauty pageant with a friend of mine 4 years ago and our queen and myself EVERY year are in the Puerto Rican Pride parade. I do not see this in other public events for other races aside from gay pride.
I guess I am more blessed than I realized.

[Virtualdistance]

Being transgendered is not always being homosexual.
I identify as a woman who likes men.

You have the right to stay sexy anything u say will bring u closer to me.



Gay people don't even like transexuals, and degrade us more than straight opeople.

Yea you go tell em ... Thats why i don't support gay (i dont like guys) but i love sexy trannys....


When I go out, I go to straight clubs or tg events.

Cool i never been on a TS club didn't know they existed!!

What can a gay club offer a ts??[/QUOTE]

Well some karaoke singing and a hangover the next day? lol...

[flabbybody]

considering how gays have been pissed on for so many decades it always surprises me how bigoted and close minded some of my white gay friends are

[TsVanessa69]

considering how gays have been pissed on for so many decades it always surprises me how bigoted and close minded some of my white gay friends are
Thoe are the ones that say "drag queens" give the gay community a bad name. I guess meth and bareback fuck partys in public parks dont huh?:wiggle::wiggle:

[Virtualdistance]

Thoe are the ones that say "drag queens" give the gay community a bad name. I guess meth and bareback fuck partys in public parks dont huh?:wiggle::wiggle:

Yea i think this is the vaccation-spot for gays :D YouTube- Strauss ex Machina - Vacation in the Vatican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobZMc6MV9Y)

Drag queens are boring and smell funny/look too manufactured , real trannys are way superior than women/gays in my opinion =) ..
And a rare breed.:whistle::whistle: :iagree:

[TsVanessa69]

Yea i think this is the vaccation-spot for gays :D YouTube- Strauss ex Machina - Vacation in the Vatican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobZMc6MV9Y)

Drag queens are boring and smell funny/look too manufactured , real trannys are way superior than women/gays in my opinion =) ..
And a rare breed.:whistle::whistle: :iagree:
More straight guys share that feeling.
Its 2010, trannys are the BEST of both worlds!!
But the whole tranny gay thing is horribe.
I joined a gay social network site and what gays say about ts is filled with jealousy hatred and disrespect.
Transexuals are woman, we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, risk our lives to look like we to to throw it away in a gay bar?? Are you people serious??
Straight clubs are the way to go.
I even go drinking in my neighborhood bar sometimes, I went the first time cuz I was bored and nosy. and for some odd reason I come home more money than I left with, plus the money I went to the bar with and don't even finish all the drinks guys and GIRLS buy me.

[Virtualdistance]

Transexuals are woman, straight clubs are the way to go.

Wrong TS are better than women , and straight clubs suck i want 100% tranny clubs , no gay no straight pure TS...




I even go drinking in my neighborhood bar sometimes, I went the first time cuz I was bored and nosy. and for some odd reason I come home more money than I left with, plus the money I went to the bar with and don't even finish all the drinks guys and GIRLS buy me.

Ok got a pic or vid of you doing a straight party , i need a source to confirm that ...

And whats to say that TS places arnt better?

[TsVanessa69]

Wrong TS are better than women , and straight clubs suck i want 100% tranny clubs , no gay no straight pure TS...




Ok got a pic or vid of you doing a straight party , i need a source to confirm that ...

And whats to say that TS places arnt better?
I live as a woman in Chicago.
Ts go to straight clubs all the time.
See this is where we see the difference of guys in tune with reality and guys whose exposure to us in internet only

[ARMANIXXX]

Most TS's that I've seen around here rarely go to straight clubs...they do, just not lots of them.

Usually, they go to mixed clubs....which for straight people/clubs, are often considered gay clubs, even though that's technically not correct.

The actual "gay" clubs, that some TS's go to, they are often nicer than the straight clubs, btw.


If you really want to find TS's, then the best is to go to drag show clubs where for some reason, TS's love to sing and dance. lol...never understood that part. lol

[Virtualdistance]

I live as a woman in Chicago.
Ts go to straight clubs all the time.
See this is where we see the difference of guys in tune with reality and guys whose exposure to us in internet only

Thanx these pics are something , you got the good looks ...

But we gotta question why TS-Only clubs don't happen I for one would love to mingle at such places :)

[rockabilly]

It's genetic , they can't resist ABBA karaoke nights.

[TsVanessa69]

It's genetic , they can't resist ABBA karaoke nights.
Genetic for who???
transexuals are not homosexuals

[Virtualdistance]

Genetic for who???
transexuals are not homosexuals

Well said Vanessa , Abba sucks and i rather put on some synthpop stuff :)

[Solitary Brother]

I do support gay rights.

[Virtualdistance]

I do support gay rights.

Sure but thats another thing , they have their rights to mate and stuff but i dont wanna be part of their nightly rituals...

I rather do a TS and enjoy it big time.

[DL_NL]

I support gay rights. Why wouldn't I?

[rockabilly]

Genetic for who???
transexuals are not homosexuals

I didn't say you were. You think only homosexuals like Abba?

[Shockwave]

I do not.

[danthepoetman]

Shockwave, where did you dug this 2 years old thread? :) With 6 posts, you’re making of yourself the archaeologist of HA!

To answer the question (interesting indeed), I totally support gay rights. I think everybody should have the right to love who they want the way they want. I don’t think there is anything abnormal about homosexuality, on the contrary: I think it’s a natural propensity. I think that gay people should have the exact same rights as anyone in our society.

[Shockwave]

Lol didnt even see it was 2 years old. Im on my phone amd was just browsing.

[danthepoetman]

It was a good one to dig out anyways... ;)

[Prospero]

Two year old thread - but the question is totally relevent still (sadly) and yes, I fully and wholeheartedly support gay rights. What intelligent human being could not. It is exactly the same as discriminating against people because of their ethnicity.

[Prospero]

ps... one is not dependent upon the other. The rights of Gay people are essential human rights.

[BigDF]

ps... one is not dependent upon the other. The rights of Gay people are essential human rights.:iagree: I support Human Rights myself and would be thrilled if we could ever get there as a species. :geek:

[qwerty94]

I believe in equal rights for everyone, however.... I'm not going out of my way to be a martyr for the "LGB cause" because they are rarely inclusive of trans rights...

for some reason, it doesn't matter whether a cis person is LGB or heterosexual... Trans men and women always seem to be forgotten.

*oh shit... i didnt even realize how old this thread was. lol

[Prospero]

I hear what you say qwerty94 - but surely you' still support the rights of black people to vote even if you're not black and even if they don't support your rights as a trangendered person? All minorities should realise they are, in some respects, in a similar place.

And ultimately they - in this case the bigots and Christian right -succeed on the principle of divide and rule.

[Slip Didgby]

I've always took the stance of equal rights for all. What's not to like? We have a Gay Pride day here in Manchester and while it's not my scene (moreso because I'm not one for crowds and parties), it's all cool for me. There's still plenty of ignorant divvies out there, from the street all the way to the top, who need shouted down.

[dabaldone]

When I first became attracted to trans-women, LBGT rights were far off my radar. After having a nearly 10 year LTR with a trans-woman I not only stand up for equal rights for all, bow I'm an outspoken advocate in my private and public life. Only when trans-attracted men grow a pair and stand up for you ladies, that's when change will happen.

[amberskyi]

when i first became attracted to trans-women, lbgt rights were far off my radar. After having a nearly 10 year ltr with a trans-woman i not only stand up for equal rights for all, bow i'm an outspoken advocate in my private and public life. Only when trans-attracted men grow a pair and stand up for you ladies, that's when change will happen.

......pow!

[ed_jaxon]

So here in Chicago we had a recent case where a school district passed rights for trans individuals and then revisited the case.

I like to think I am very pro rights for everyone especially trans people but this one made me think.

I was very happy when my university made it more comfortable for trans people by providing a great number of unisex bathrooms for one person so they would always be able to comfortably go to the restroom. The school district in question however was a high school that said anyone could use the restroom of the sex they identified with.

While many know who they are at age 14, there are many more that are still searching and experimenting with who they are. I could see how this could become a conflict in the shit storm that is most high schools.

The only thing I am sure of in this situation is that open dialogue needs to occur so all points of view can be given voice.

[Chiba5]

I support LGBT rights

[uchetal]

I am a supporter and contributor of LBGTQ (minimally financial, but I donate); I have friends and relatives who are gay, I proudly display a Human Rights Campaign sticker on my car bumper and my door at work. The sticker on my car is next to the US Army and Harley-Davidson stickers.

[brickcitybrother]

Rights for everyone is on my radar - I support equality. Nuff said

[robertlouis]

I have many gay, lesbian and transgender friends and I am ashamed that many people continue not only to deny them equality of rights but work actively against their full extension.

[danthepoetman]

I have many gay, lesbian and transgender friends and I am ashamed that many people continue not only to deny them equality of rights but work actively against their full extension.
Same here. Some friends I’ve seen suffer quite a lot about this; people don’t always realize how difficult it can be. And even bi-sexual friends, who struggle tremendously to even just accept their own feelings. To me, it’s not only a shame, it’s total absurdity, sociological absurdity. As some used to say, as a society, “We should grow up”…

[fred41]

I have many gay, lesbian and transgender friends and I am ashamed that many people continue not only to deny them equality of rights but work actively against their full extension.

...We're with you....you dog.;)

[onmyknees]

I hear what you say qwerty94 - but surely you' still support the rights of black people to vote even if you're not black and even if they don't support your rights as a trangendered person? All minorities should realise they are, in some respects, in a similar place.

And ultimately they - in this case the bigots and Christian right -succeed on the principle of divide and rule.

I read her post too.............she didn't say she didn't support them, in fact she said the opposite. What she said is not too different than what everybody from Bella to Kelly have explained when the subject of the " LGBT Community" comes up. Dig up some of thier old posts on the subject and take a moment to actually understand what they're saying .

[BluegrassCat]

I read her post too.............she didn't say she didn't support them, in fact she said the opposite. What she said is not too different than what everybody from Bella to Kelly have explained when the subject of the " LGBT Community" comes up. Dig up some of thier old posts on the subject and take a moment to actually understand what they're saying .

I read Prospero's post too....he didn't accuse Qwerty of not supporting equal rights, in fact he said the opposite. What he said is no different from what every thoughtful humane poster has said. Dig up some of his old posts on the subject and take a moment to actually understand what he's saying.

[BellaBellucci]

I read Prospero's post too....he didn't accuse Qwerty of not supporting equal rights, in fact he said the opposite. What he said is no different from what every thoughtful humane poster has said. Dig up some of his old posts on the subject and take a moment to actually understand what he's saying.

I see what you did there.

... you biter. :whistle: ;)

~BB~

[Prospero]

The aggressive and not very bright muppet called OMK seems to have let his determination to disagree with me on everything blind him

This what Qwerty said: "I believe in equal rights for everyone, however.... I'm not going out of my way to be a martyr for the "LGB cause" because they are rarely inclusive of trans rights...

for some reason, it doesn't matter whether a cis person is LGB or heterosexual... Trans men and women always seem to be forgotten."

Note the HOWEVER..... her post was, thus, somewhat ambiguous. On the one hand I believe, on the other.... I'll not fight. No-one expects her to be a martyr and yes, trans rights are often neglected. but two wrongs don't make a right.

[natina]

Wow! Amazing touching must see/hear
This Missouri pastor's speech on homosexuality ends with a twist


It's not often that speeches given at town assemblies are directed by Hitchcock, but then again, not every Midwestern preacher is Rev. Dr. Phil Snider. When Springfield, Mo., considered a bill that would have added homosexuals to the list of protected minorities, Snider delivered a fiery speech to the town council during the bill's debate. It may seem to be all fire and brimstone, but ... just watch. Even if you've heard some of Snider’s arguments before, the twist in this video will still catch you off guard. Sadly, the town council has currently tabled the ordinance without passing it or voting it down, so we don't know if Snider's masterful trolling was also a master stroke for LGBT rights

http://now.msn.com/rev-phil-snider-preacher-gives-gay-rights-speech-with-a-twist

Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois&feature=player_embedded)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/A8JsRx2lois/mqdefault.jpg

Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois)

[natina]

Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois)

[buttslinger]

Nobody gives you Rights, they take away your rights.

Now then, if I was going to be locked up in jail for twenty years, who would I want to be my cellmate?

[onmyknees]

The aggressive and not very bright muppet called OMK seems to have let his determination to disagree with me on everything blind him

This what Qwerty said: "I believe in equal rights for everyone, however.... I'm not going out of my way to be a martyr for the "LGB cause" because they are rarely inclusive of trans rights...

for some reason, it doesn't matter whether a cis person is LGB or heterosexual... Trans men and women always seem to be forgotten."

Note the HOWEVER..... her post was, thus, somewhat ambiguous. On the one hand I believe, on the other.... I'll not fight. No-one expects her to be a martyr and yes, trans rights are often neglected. but two wrongs don't make a right.

You constantly whine like a spooled child when someone engages in name calling directed your way... like you're above all that silly shit because you're smarter than everyone else.....yet here you are engaging in the same foolishness.....and stop exaggerating about the amount of disagreement. You're way to sensitive when challenged. Why is that? You made a point, I challenged it based on my interpretation of what you said...minus any name calling. You're a mod now...suck it up and act like it .

[bluesoul]

The sticker on my car is next to the US Army and Harley-Davidson stickers.

does this have a specific meaning by being in the proximity of those other 2 stickers?

in answer to the question: my political views are usually not focused on gay issues

[Prospero]

You constantly whine like a spooled child when someone engages in name calling directed your way... like you're above all that silly shit because you're smarter than everyone else.....yet here you are engaging in the same foolishness.....and stop exaggerating about the amount of disagreement. You're way to sensitive when challenged. Why is that? You made a point, I challenged it based on my interpretation of what you said...minus any name calling. You're a mod now...suck it up and act like it .

What's a spooled child OMK? Whine? I don't think so, old fellow. But then there is your libel for which you've never apologised.
I certainly don't think that I'm smarter than everyone else here. I simply prefer to let my brain do the thinking rather than my prejudices and I do also forget that among certain people on the Right in your country (and mine too sadly) intelligent thought is seed as something rather suspect. All that oft expressed disdain for "intellectuals" that you lot engage in.

[RallyCola]

my political views are very simple....socially liberal with extreme fiscal conservancy and a desire for small government. so simply but, there should be no law that disallows gay marriage because they are equal to str8 and bi people in every way. such laws violate my social positions that says you have every right to do what makes you happy so long as if hurts no one else and such laws violate my desire to have as little government intervention as possible in our lives.

government at its core exists to protect the people it governs. disallowing gay marriage protects no one but the interests of those who do not like gay people